Judging by the reaction on here it seems tne new manager bounce is over already

[He's here!]

There was a sense of cautious optimism building over the last couple of weeks but today's result looks to have kicked that into touch. Johnson got berated for not taking the League Cup group stages seriously, but losing to Kelty leaves Gray open to the same accusations. Over the last few years it's probably fair to say we've come to expect fairly regular embarrassing defeats, but that's got to be up there as one of the club's poorest ever results in a competitive game.

[Northernhibee]

Not for me. He’s taken over a ****show of a squad and hasn’t been adequately backed yet.

All eyes on the quadrangle of leadership on this one.

[MelbourneHibees]

There was a sense of cautious optimism building over the last couple of weeks but today's result looks to have kicked that into touch.Johnson got berated for not taking the League Cup group stages seriously, but losing to Kelty leaves Gray open to the same accusations. Over the last few years it's probably fair to say we've come to expect fairly regular embarrassing defeats, but that's got to be up there as one of the club's poorest ever results in a competitive game.
I've seen a few people put this up with most embarrassing results. As horrendous as it is I'm just not seeing it reaching the levels of some other matches. I won't bother mentioning them.

If it was a knockout fixture then sure, but we are still capable of winning the League Cup as it stands. And if we did then we will be laughing about this result.

[Hibees1973]

Some were frothing after the first 2 league cup games. First quarter of the league season is crucial for the club and more importantly, Gray. Can fully understand why many are not buying season tickets yet.

[Coco Bryce]

Just been beat by a team that where in the East of Scotland league about 5 years ago.

[Joe6-2]

I've seen a few people put this up with most embarrassing results. As horrendous as it is I'm just not seeing it reaching the levels of some other matches. I won't bother mentioning them.

If it was a knockout fixture then sure, but we are still capable of winning the League Cup as it stands. And if we did then we will be laughing about this result.

Commendable optimism but totally misplaced, do you genuinely think we could win a trophy?

[Nicho87]

No where near the blame game with gray

However he needs to realise the players who have been tried and tested won’t just change now he is gaffer

Move them on or risk your job SDG

[Jones28]

A stinker of a result will do that tbf.

[Wheat Hound]

Whilst SDG takes some flak for the changes made, he has been shafted by the board who have not provided him with the players required. The spotlight for me should be firmly on Kensell & the Gordons.

[Coco Bryce]

Whilst SDG takes some flak for the changes made, he has been shafted by the board who have not provided him with the players required. The spotlight for me should be firmly on Kensell & the Gordons.

This was always gonna be the case. And probably the reason they chose him.

The fans will turn on the board before they do SDG

[Musselbound]

It's a poor result and a bit embarrassing so the reaction is inevitable. In the great scheme of things, it's probably not that damaging if we get nine points and out of the group. Certainly didn't expect to lose this one but I was never that confident of topping the group with maximum points.

[Nicho87]

This was always gonna be the case. And probably the reason they chose him.

The fans will turn on the board before they do SDG

Lose mailoda goals in an already poor team and don’t replace two weeks before the season

Questions begin to get asked on recruitment again!

[MelbourneHibees]

Commendable optimism but totally misplaced, do you genuinely think we could win a trophy?

Yes.

[Colr]

……we are still capable of winning the League Cup as it stands.

Seriously or is this some kind of article of faith?

[Hibees1973]

Any trust most of the support had in Ian Gordon & Kensell was broken a long time ago. A couple of wins over Elgin & Queen's Park seemed to have filled some posters with optimism but not for the majority.

[He's here!]

Maybe we just can't handle facing a team in maroon with Hearts in their name.

[Wheat Hound]

We have also lost any chance of being seeded for the knockout stages today so even if we do scare through we will possibly face one of the OF now, reducing our chances of progression. We never learn as a club

[A Hi-Bee]

Maybe we just can't handle facing a team in maroon with Hearts in their name.**** the hertz

[IberianHibernian]

It's a poor result and a bit embarrassing so the reaction is inevitable. In the great scheme of things, it's probably not that damaging if we get nine points and out of the group. Certainly didn't expect to lose this one but I was never that confident of topping the group with maximum points.I we beat Peterhead we will probably win the group but not be seeded in last 16 draw . Kelty could still get 10 points so even first not guaranteed .

[Silky]

He's been beaten by Hearts. That normally signals the end for a manager.

[Hibees1973]

I've supported Hibs for over 50 years. My initial fear when Gray was appointed, is it was reminiscent of when Stanton was Hibs manager. A club legend taking over a basket case of a club. Gray has little experience to draw on. He is going to need so much luck and backing to be a success as the squad he has taken over is a complete shambles. Full of low quality and players with no bottle.

[Jim44]

I've supported Hibs for over 50 years. My initial fear when Gray was appointed, is it was reminiscent of when Stanton was Hibs manager. A club legend taking over a basket case of a club. Gray has little experience to draw on. He is going to need so much luck and backing to be a success as the squad he has taken over is a complete shambles. Full of low quality and players with no bottle.

Absolutely spot on. Success is not even a remote possibility. Mind you, on that pathetic performance today, mid table superiority would be a form of success.

[B.H.F.C]

Nobody who watches Hibs regularly should really be that surprised by today.

We’ve signed 4 players, 2 of them played today and 1 of them was the guy who has been brought in as a backup goalie.

Gray needs to be given the tools to do the job properly because we all know that if we have to rely on too many of the same players from last season then we’re in trouble. As we saw today.

[Callum_62]

Nobody who watches Hibs regularly should really be that surprised by today.

We’ve signed 4 players, 2 of them played today and 1 of them was the guy who has been brought in as a backup goalie.

Gray needs to be given the tools to do the job properly because we all know that if we have to rely on too many of the same players from last season then we’re in trouble. As we saw today.Surely all we needed was a competent coach to improve our fortunes?

Let's face it, losing a competitive game to a league 1 team no matter what side you put out is a terrible result

Players take the blame but gray isn't immune to that either

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[He's here!]

Absolutely spot on. Success is not even a remote possibility. Mind you, on that pathetic performance today, mid table superiority would be a form of success.Do you mean mid-table mediocrity? It's a horrible result, no two ways about it. You allow yourself to build up a sense that maybe, just maybe this guy knows how to put minnows (relative to Hibs) in their place and then along comes a defeat like today which has you back thinking we could lose to just about anybody.

[percy veer]

Did we have one

[Jim44]

Do you mean mid-table mediocrity? It's a horrible result, no two ways about it. You allow yourself to build up a sense that maybe, just maybe this guy knows how to put minnows (relative to Hibs) in their place and then along comes a defeat like today which has you back thinking we could lose to just about anybody.

Today’s fiasco’s effect on our season so far was two big steps forward but three steps backward. Major naivety from Gray. Rookie manager’s mistake ……. a couple of good results and performances, early in the season, lead him to stupidly believe he can muck around with a successful team and still expect success. A clean sweep of wins should have been his priority and team selection should have reflected that. Schoolboy error from Gray, in my opinion.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

I don’t think it’s anything to do with new manager bounce. SDG inherited a mess and he’s trying his best to get some sort of squad fit for the league game in two weeks.

The first 11 of the first two games is arguably our strongest 11. But we can’t just keep playing them with the game schedule that we have. He has to play and rest players or he’ll burn them out and risk injuries.

Which is why we seen the changes we did today. Managing the squad.

The team today should have had enough about them, but we fell short due to the lack of finishing.

I think people are being unrealistic if they expect our best 11 to play every game. SDG doesn’t have quality options available just now.

[LunasBoots]

Squads a ****show, played two unfit teams and won comfortably which papered over alot of things, apart from the defence nothing has changed, there has to be improvement in the squad or we are looking at a bottom six finish.

[truehibernian]

I don’t think it’s anything to do with new manager bounce. SDG inherited a mess and he’s trying his best to get some sort of squad fit for the league game in two weeks.

The first 11 of the first two games is arguably our strongest 11. But we can’t just keep playing them with the game schedule that we have. He has to play and rest players or he’ll burn them out and risk injuries.

Which is why we seen the changes we did today. Managing the squad.

The team today should have had enough about them, but we fell short due to the lack of finishing.

I think people are being unrealistic if they expect our best 11 to play every game. SDG doesn’t have quality options available just now.

There should have been no changes today, full stop - win the game, group won, next game is your time to experiment with subtle changes. Not the amount of changes today. As I posted on another thread, David needs to very quickly learn to both read the room (a loss immediately puts him under pressure in these circumstances) and build winning momentum- he’s now needlessly under pressure with a very (rightly) frustrated and unmotivated fan base.

[TrinityHFC]

There should have been no changes today, full stop - win the game, group won, next game is your time to experiment with subtle changes. Not the amount of changes today. As I posted on another thread, David needs to very quickly learn to both read the room (a loss immediately puts him under pressure in these circumstances) and build winning momentum- he’s now needlessly under pressure with a very (rightly) frustrated and unmotivated fan base.

As I said on the other thread I don’t think Gray needs to learn this. What he has to do is try and get through the unhelpful timing of these games whilst making sure the team are all in shape for the rest of the season. Playing the same team every few days at this stage would do us no favours. That team should still be beating Kelty.

[GreenCastle]

Kelty Hearts best ever result.

David Gray isn’t exactly new in the door - he’s been in Scottish football and at the club for a while.

The manager / coaching staff / owners and players should be totally embarrassed about that result today.

I know as a fan I am and wonders what kind of outfit I am supporting.

This is an important moment as if we just sweet uit under the carpet we will fail badly this season. Major changes are needed or we get what we deserve and that’s to be a laughing stock of Scottish football.

So many players should be no where near the starting team - even the average punter knows that so not sure why some of dross was playing today and we haven’t signed new players to improve us.

[Ronniekirk]

No where near the blame game with grayHowever he needs to realise the players who have been tried and tested won’t just change now he is gafferMove them on or risk your job SDGI suspect he does know that But it’s clear now that he has been appointed along with McKay to oversee an overhaul of the squad that they know in reality will take several windows to complete We have squandered money on over inflated wages on players who aren’t good enough or were punts and it’s not worked out and three managers and thier bscktoon staff have been paid off Roughly 16 players moved on and only four in so far shoukd also be a red flag I have no doubt we will bring more players in but if the Black Knights connection doesn’t work for us this window the market we are operating at just now isn’t going to be getting us top four imo He shouldn’t of made so many changes and we have paid the price But we did have good chances and should have taken at lest one of those Vente not scoring agsin is a concern as if we csnt rely on him scoring we need two proven strikers in

[TrinityHFC]

I suspect he does know that But it’s clear now that he has been appointed along with McKay to oversee an overhaul of the squad that they know in reality will take several windows to complete We have squandered money on over inflated wages on players who aren’t good enough or were punts and it’s not worked out and three managers and thier bscktoon staff have been paid off Roughly 16 players moved on and only four in so far shoukd also be a red flag I have no doubt we will bring more players in but if the Black Knights connection doesn’t work for us this window the market we are operating at just now isn’t going to be getting us top four imo He shouldn’t of made so many changes and we have paid the price But we did have good chances and should have taken at lest one of those Vents not scouting agsin is a concern as if we csnt rely on him scoring we need to proven strikers in

Spot on.

[Malonga's Cat]

Two things were wrong today.

1 - Tinkering with a team line up when we simply do not have the depth of quality to do that. We are not Man City. Pick an XI and stick with it barring injuries and subs when 2 or 3 up. That was a competitive banana skin. You don't mess about.

2 - We simply haven't recruited enough to improve a jaded squad. 2 CBs and a GK is a good start but it's not enough. We are in for a rough season if more quality doesn't come in and we trim some of the baggage.

[CMac1988]

You continue to persist with the same group of players that aren't good enough then you'll continue to struggle. Still short two strikers and riddled with players across the middle that are consistently poor as opposed to consistently good. It's why I grumble when folk have a go at Newell when he's one of the few in the team who are the other way around.

Gray will get more time than others but the club is still dragging its feet despite the promise of something better. Get better players in and get rid of those who've contributed next to nothing.

[Tully]

It's a poor result and a bit embarrassing so the reaction is inevitable. In the great scheme of things, it's probably not that damaging if we get nine points and out of the group. Certainly didn't expect to lose this one but I was never that confident of topping the group with maximum points.

Hopefully 9 be enough as Kelty can now get 10 points

[hibeez1875]

The best line-ups we had available improved the mood with a couple of good wins against weak opponents. Surely we had to try to build on that fragile confidence with the best players available today.Instead, SDG chose players with a history of letting us down. They did so again. Not a surprise to me or to many others.How was it a surprise to SDG? He’s been at Hibs and seen these players let previous managers down. I’m baffled and the feel-good factor is out the window after a really terrible result.

[truehibernian]

As I said on the other thread I don’t think Gray needs to learn this. What he has to do is try and get through the unhelpful timing of these games whilst making sure the team are all in shape for the rest of the season. Playing the same team every few days at this stage would do us no favours. That team should still be beating Kelty.

It’s an utterly embarrassing result to add to many in the last 3 years, all this one is all on the manager - this stupid tinkering approach and ‘modern day’ players need rest/minutes - nonsense - you pick your moments to do that and he’s not learned a jot from the past 3 seasons and managers (clearly).

[Billy McKirdy]

I watched the first half on Premier Sports before my shift and my impression was that we were well on top and unlucky not to be in the lead.

I thought the warning was there for our players about the pitch in the first minute when Luke Amos landed awkwardly on the plastic surface, after that I detected an unwillingness to really get tore in with challenges etc.

One bright spot for me was the performance of McKirdy who looked like the only real threat we had up front.
Why SDG took him at half time beats me.

My impression of Kelty was a team comfortable to defend in numbers and hir on the break and it worked a treat.
Our inability to break down teams that defend like that is a longstanding problem with recent Hibs teams and it needs to change quickly.

I never seen the second half but I wasn’t surprised to see the final result.
I don’t think it’s time to panic but we need to learn from this as a team.
This could possibly be the warning we need to improve our finishing.

[GreenCastle]

It’s an utterly embarrassing result to add to many in the last 3 years, all this one is all on the manager - this stupid tinkering approach and ‘modern day’ players need rest/minutes - nonsense - you pick your moments to do that and he’s not learned a jot from the past 3 seasons and managers (clearly).

I could understand if we just played..

Real Madrid
Man Utd

And players needed rest..but we played Elgin and Queens Park.

Part time Kelty play same players in 3 games mostly but we play our not good enough fringe players and get humbled.

If you really wanted to rotate you play weaker against Elgin and stronger against Queens and Kelty.

Elgin to Queens was 2 days rest.

Queen’s till today 3 days rest.

Watford play the u12s - who cares.

Then strong against Peterhead.

[RossScott1991]

Just a massive wake up call to everyone today but less the fans as we already know. Hopefully Gray knows and more importantly the board know.

We are light and need 3 quality attackers. Striker, attacking midfielder and another wide player.

We are bloated with midfielders who are all the same mould.

Amos, Moriah-Welsh, Campbell, JDH, etc etc.

Campbell is never a number 10 in his life and doesn’t have the quality in tight areas to unlock teams. So we need abit of a spark there. We need a quality striker as not convinced on Vente. And we need a good wide player so we can stop relying on Jair and Mckirdy who are both useless and should be on the out list.

Overall we started building from back but time to focus on attacking positions as what we have isn’t good enough and we will see the same inconsistencies when the league starts.

[H18 SFR]

Not for me. He’s taken over a ****show of a squad and hasn’t been adequately backed yet.

All eyes on the quadrangle of leadership on this one.

I agree with this Northern, however, what do you think when you saw his team selection today? - might not be his squad but it was his selection.

[Callum_62]

I could understand if we just played..

Real Madrid
Man Utd

And players needed rest..but we played Elgin and Queens Park.

Part time Kelty play same players in 3 games mostly but we play our not good enough fringe players and get humbled.

If you really wanted to rotate you play weaker against Elgin and stronger against Queens and Kelty.

Elgin to Queens was 2 days rest.

Queen’s till today 3 days rest.

Watford play the u12s - who cares.

Then strong against Peterhead.They are still doing "pre season."

Players won't be fully fit and some are being managed

I understand the need to rotate but regardless of the team we put out should be capable of buying a league 2 outfit

It did highlight some key areas missing tho - playing a ying centre half/right back in the left

The crazy lack of depth up top with no one being able to vary it

Also brings a reality check on promising youngsters like Rudi - I like what I've seen of him but we can't rely on players like that week in week out - this should be a season of progression for him but slow progression with measured introductions to the first team

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[Hibee Mac]

I'm very much onboard with David Gray as manager, that's not lost any of it's shine on me yet.

What I am pee'd off with is that this is simply another reminder that our squad is in a shocking state and that is the fault of those who have been running (or not running!) our footballing department over the last 5 or so years.

They have got to back David Gray and overhaul this squad asap, otherwise all they are doing is setting him up for failure. I'd be amazed if anyone could get a tune out of a large portion of our squad.

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[GreenCastle]

They are still doing "pre season."

Players won't be fully fit and some are being managed

I understand the need to rotate but regardless of the team we put out should be capable of buying a league 2 outfit

It did highlight some key areas missing tho - playing a ying centre half/right back in the left

The crazy lack of depth up top with no one being able to vary it

Also brings a reality check on promising youngsters like Rudi - I like what I've seen of him but we can't rely on players like that week in week out - this should be a season of progression for him but slow progression with measured introductions to the first team

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If Hibs treat this as pre-season - get the squad in earlier and more friendlies to get players up to speed.

This is not experimental time and whether it’s Gray / Monty / LJ / Maloney - you need credit in the bank. This has damaged SDG early doors and he will need to get a good result soon or questions will asked again.

[Callum_62]

If Hibs treat this as pre-season - get the squad in earlier and more friendlies to get players up to speed.

This is not experimental time and whether it’s Gray / Monty / LJ / Maloney - you need credit in the bank. This has damaged SDG early doors and he will need to get a good result soon or questions will asked again.I don't disagree with you but these games are always going to form part of"pre season" as they are scheduled so early

We need to treat them as competitive games but due to the scheduling the players will never be fully up to speed

Ideally we shouldn't even be playing in this stage

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[LunasBoots]

They are still doing "pre season."

Players won't be fully fit and some are being managed

I understand the need to rotate but regardless of the team we put out should be capable of buying a league 2 outfit

It did highlight some key areas missing tho - playing a ying centre half/right back in the left

The crazy lack of depth up top with no one being able to vary it

Also brings a reality check on promising youngsters like Rudi - I like what I've seen of him but we can't rely on players like that week in week out - this should be a season of progression for him but slow progression with measured introductions to the first team

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Crazy we've not done what most other teams we are meant to be challenging this season and getting more business done early and bleeding those new recruits in to drive us forward.

[truehibernian]

I could understand if we just played..

Real Madrid
Man Utd

And players needed rest..but we played Elgin and Queens Park.

Part time Kelty play same players in 3 games mostly but we play our not good enough fringe players and get humbled.

If you really wanted to rotate you play weaker against Elgin and stronger against Queens and Kelty.

Elgin to Queens was 2 days rest.

Queen’s till today 3 days rest.

Watford play the u12s - who cares.

Then strong against Peterhead.

God help the little darlings if they ever had to play when there was only 2 subs ! Utterly molly coddled the lot of them.

[GreenCastle]

God help the little darlings if they ever had to play when there was only 2 subs ! Utterly moddy coddled the lot of them.

I would be asking questions to the sports science staff - surely they took this into consideration.

More chance of injury playing Elgin away - sitting on a 3 hour bus back then a game on Tuesday night.

[Wheat Hound]

We have an absolute tonne of off field staff. The amount of staff around the pitch & stadium today and it's far from clear what they all do or add. So much focus off the pitch and so little focus on it.

[Islington Hibs]

Terrible result no doubt , but the response here is utterly predictable and negative. I have no idea of David Gray will turn out to be the next Eddie Turnbull or not but to judge the guy after one bad result, incidentally after a couple of strong wins is just so predictable.

I am drawing the conclusion that this club deserves every failure it has had over the last 50 years. Bo0 Boo and Boo and an apparent delight in failure. Really pathetic and to my mind is a large factor behind the clubs problem.

An attitude that we are too big to lose to lower teams but also a brittleness and inferiority complex as soon as something goes slightly wrong. The merigoround of blame as soon as one small thing goes wrong. Sad and. Large factor banging our failure.

[GreenCastle]

Terrible result no doubt , but the response here is utterly predictable and negative. I have no idea of David Gray will turn out to be the next Eddie Turnbull or not but to judge the guy after one bad result, incidentally after a couple of strong wins is just so predictable.

I am drawing the conclusion that this club deserves every failure it has had over the last 50 years. Bo0 Boo and Boo and an apparent delight in failure. Really pathetic and to my mind is a large factor behind the clubs problem.

An attitude that we are too big to lose to lower teams but also a brittleness and inferiority complex as soon as something goes slightly wrong. The merigoround of blame as soon as one small thing goes wrong. Sad and. Large factor banging our failure.

The lack of ambition and accepting results like today means they will happen more often and with no consequences.

What was predictable was the poor performance and losing to a part time team after 2 solid results.

We struggled to win 2 league games in a row last season - we have a chance to win 3 cup games in a row but even that can’t be done by these over paid players.

If players can’t cope with the pressure playing the mighty Kelty then they shouldn’t be at Hibs.

The fans or the 1300 who paid to watch that shambles are the least of the issues here..the owners / board / Kensell / management / players are all more to blame. I

Seriously name worse results in the clubs history ?

[Ozyhibby]

Terrible result no doubt , but the response here is utterly predictable and negative. I have no idea of David Gray will turn out to be the next Eddie Turnbull or not but to judge the guy after one bad result, incidentally after a couple of strong wins is just so predictable.

I am drawing the conclusion that this club deserves every failure it has had over the last 50 years. Bo0 Boo and Boo and an apparent delight in failure. Really pathetic and to my mind is a large factor behind the clubs problem.

An attitude that we are too big to lose to lower teams but also a brittleness and inferiority complex as soon as something goes slightly wrong. The merigoround of blame as soon as one small thing goes wrong. Sad and. Large factor banging our failure.

How do you get beat of Kelty Hearts and not get a negative reaction? Would it be a good thing if it were a positive?
Today was unacceptable and Gray needs to know it. And it’s his fault.


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[IberianHibernian]

Terrible result no doubt , but the response here is utterly predictable and negative. I have no idea of David Gray will turn out to be the next Eddie Turnbull or not but to judge the guy after one bad result, incidentally after a couple of strong wins is just so predictable.

I am drawing the conclusion that this club deserves every failure it has had over the last 50 years. Bo0 Boo and Boo and an apparent delight in failure. Really pathetic and to my mind is a large factor behind the clubs problem.

An attitude that we are too big to lose to lower teams but also a brittleness and inferiority complex as soon as something goes slightly wrong. The merigoround of blame as soon as one small thing goes wrong. Sad and. Large factor banging our failure.Terrible result today no doubt . Interesting you mention Turnbull when we had several cup shockers ( Arbroath in replay at ER , Montrose in 2-leg tie and others ) when he was our manager . In following years with other managers , lost to East Fife in SC , lost to Meadowbank in LC , to QOS etc But this century we`ve survived many possible cup shocks with relative ease . Recent exceptions obviously being today , Andorra last year and Forfar last season when we could easily have lost and had no second leg or group matches to save us .
So terrible result today but let`s hope it stimulates team and management to do better starting now . We`ve lost a group match against a 3rd tier team , Hearts lost in Brora and Aberdeen in Ayrshire in SC against even lower level teams recently too . Hearts were seconds from extra time against Spartans this year . So , a terrible result for us today and no I`m not accepting mediocrity , but these results happen so it`s up to the players and management team to make sure it doesn`t happen again .

[He's here!]

Terrible result no doubt , but the response here is utterly predictable and negative. I have no idea of David Gray will turn out to be the next Eddie Turnbull or not but to judge the guy after one bad result, incidentally after a couple of strong wins is just so predictable.

I am drawing the conclusion that this club deserves every failure it has had over the last 50 years. Bo0 Boo and Boo and an apparent delight in failure. Really pathetic and to my mind is a large factor behind the clubs problem.

An attitude that we are too big to lose to lower teams but also a brittleness and inferiority complex as soon as something goes slightly wrong. The merigoround of blame as soon as one small thing goes wrong. Sad and. Large factor banging our failure.

Nobody is delighting in failure. They're just sick to the back teeth of it becoming the norm. Today wasn't something going 'slightly wrong', it was an inexcusable and highly embarrassing defeat. Fans are more than entitled to put the boot in.

[Wheat Hound]

Nobody is delighting in failure. They're just sick to the back teeth of it becoming the norm. Today wasn't something going 'slightly wrong', it was an inexcusable and highly embarrassing defeat. Fans are more than entitled to put the boot in.

Nail on the head 👏
I'm absolutely fed up and scunnered with repeated embarrassments and significant under performance. My main focus is not on SDG but the gutless and cowardly performances of some players allied with the lack of visible and tangible leadership from our owners and CEO.

[Silky]

This is not experimental time and whether it’s Gray / Monty / LJ / Maloney - you need credit in the bank. This has damaged SDG early doors and he will need to get a good result soon or questions will asked again.

He did get some good results early doors, or so I read anyway. By all accounts the previous two thrashing dished out to Elgin and Queens Park were good results, as was the friendly win against PAOK ( I know its "only a friendly" but previous incumbents were judged on friendly results). It's a shocker today, sure, but for me there have been some deposits in the bank already and the account isn't in debit just yet!

[truehibernian]

Nobody is delighting in failure. They're just sick to the back teeth of it becoming the norm. Today wasn't something going 'slightly wrong', it was an inexcusable and highly embarrassing defeat. Fans are more than entitled to put the boot in.

It was a defeat that’s all on the manager - end of. Unbelievable selection today, and a sign as I said he’s simply not read the room and realised it’s “get job done first”. Players that can’t play 3 games this early in a season in a week shouldn’t be pro footballers, especially when the previous two games were not exactly high octane games. I’m raging at his complacency today.

[Since452]

Today's defeat was up there with any ***** defeat we've had. Even worse as it was Kelty ****ing Hearts. The embarrassment and slagging we're taking is off the scale. But deserved. Hard one to take unfortunately.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

It was a defeat that’s all on the manager - end of. Unbelievable selection today, and a sign as I said he’s simply not read the room and realised it’s “get job done first”. Players that can’t play 3 games this early in a season in a week shouldn’t be pro footballers, especially when the previous two games were not exactly high octane games. I’m raging at his complacency today.

I do agree with you. As much as I believe whichever team we put out today should be easily capable of beating Kelty Hearts, I do think we should have put our best team out to simply win the game.

It tells me the players who were selected are just not good enough to play for Hibs.

[neil7908]

It's just such a depressingly common outcome for us after finally getting a bit of positivity around the club.

As others have pointed out, we have what feels like an ever expanding staff off the field, lots of talk of investment, plans, strategies etc but on the park we are still way short.

I know it's only mid July but our season is well under way. We are playing competitive games and aren't ready.

We are only two weeks from the first league game. Even if we sign players this week they will need time to get up to match sharpness and work with their new team mates. That seems to get over looked when we hear about how the window shuts in x weeks.

Gray was part of LJs staff when we went out at the group stage so should have learned not to treat these games so lightly. But even Guardiola would struggle with this squad.

If we are being brutally honest there are probably only a handful of players out of the 20+ in the first team squad that are good enough. Unfortunately we can't shift 15 players

[Donegal Hibby]

Six changes I think it was from the team that beat Queens park which imo was to many in a game that was important to us .

Wonder what team we will put out now against Watford? , seeing as theres now more pressure on us getting a result against Peterhead than there should be .

[Johnny_Leith]

It's just such a depressingly common outcome for us after finally getting a bit of positivity around the club.

As others have pointed out, we have what feels like an ever expanding staff off the field, lots of talk of investment, plans, strategies etc but on the park we are still way short.

I know it's only mid July but our season is well under way. We are playing competitive games and aren't ready.

We are only two weeks from the first league game. Even if we sign players this week they will need time to get up to match sharpness and work with their new team mates. That seems to get over looked when we hear about how the window shuts in x weeks.

Gray was part of LJs staff when we went out at the group stage so should have learned not to treat these games so lightly. But even Guardiola would struggle with this squad.

If we are being brutally honest there are probably only a handful of players out of the 20+ in the first team squad that are good enough. Unfortunately we can't shift 15 players


This season might be difficult. We have a lot out of contract next year. Last time we were in the league Cup group stages we struggled but we still qualified for Europe. Today's result, whilst immensely disappointing and embarrassing, is not an indicator of where we will finish. I have maintained there is enough talent over the last couple of seasons to finish top 6 at least and I believe the same this year today, and expect improvement of the squad before the window slams shut, it's up to SDG to get enough from the squad that this season is not difficult. I have faith it'll be alright under his guidance this season, and better gang forward.

[StevieC]

Worrying thing for me is that we reverted back to playing the same football that we have played for the last 4 seasons and 3 different managers. Across the back, out wide, down the wing, cross in the box where we have one striker against two or three bigger defenders. Crosses cut out, defenders lump it away, we start again across the back.

Last season was the first time I’d actually started to see a change tactically, which wasn’t easy because it was the same players we had that had been playing the same way in previous seasons, but it was a start. Second half of the game was back to the same way we were playing 3 managers ago.

[DH1875]

Wish folk would drop the preseason excuse. Are Kelty not technically in preseason as well or have I missed something? Not like they were half way through a season was it.

[Heisenberg]

Wish folk would drop the preseason excuse. Are Kelty not technically in preseason as well or have I missed something? Not like they were half way through a season was it.

It’s a joke of an excuse, we should have a squad more than capable of beating a team of that level no matter what time of the season it is. Simple fact is we were let down again by the same ***** players that let us down last season.

[Ozyhibby]

Wish folk would drop the preseason excuse. Are Kelty not technically in preseason as well or have I missed something? Not like they were half way through a season was it.

There is no excuse for losing to Kelty.


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[Pretty Boy]

Barring a total disaster Gray has all but a free pass from me this season. We are a mess. That doesn't mean I won't criticise if he gets things wrong, I thought he got his team selection wrong yesterday and said as much.

I think people underestimate just how much damage the whole 'experiment' of the last few years has done. This season is one to get through before we can shed the load next summer and really kick on.

Of course Gray has to show signs of progress. If we flatline or get worse then the pressure will come but I'm not expecting 3rd this year. A solid top 6, one decent cup run and a decent derby record and I'd be more than happy. I'm resigned to this being a slog now, the madness of the last 2 or 3 seasons and the approach to recruitment has seen to that. Gray and Mackay need time to sort it out and I think they have made a decent start by addressing the biggest weakness from the last 2 seasons.

[gegs70]

I don't think it's over, but he needs recruits. Good start to central defenders but the midfield and forward line needs upgraded. We also don't have much on the bench when the team needs a lift.... He needs to make some tough decisions.

[GreenCastle]

Barring a total disaster Gray has all but a free pass from me this season. We are a mess. That doesn't mean I won't criticise if he gets things wrong, I thought he got his team selection wrong yesterday and said as much.

I think people underestimate just how much damage the whole 'experiment' of the last few years has done. This season is one to get through before we can shed the load next summer and really kick on.

Of course Gray has to show signs of progress. If we flatline or get worse then the pressure will come but I'm not expecting 3rd this year. A solid top 6, one decent cup run and a decent derby record and I'd be more than happy. I'm resigned to this being a slog now, the madness of the last 2 or 3 seasons and the approach to recruitment has seen to that. Gray and Mackay need time to sort it out and I think they have made a decent start by addressing the biggest weakness from the last 2 seasons.

I don’t get the free pass line.

Why ?

Club legend yes but the Hibs job is high profile and he applied for it so knows exactly what to expect.

LJ had Falkirk / Andorra away as shocking losses.
Gray now has Kelty loss on his CV and drawing with the worst team in the league Livi last season.
Monty - did he ever lose to lower league teams ?
Maloney - ?

As fans can we stop accepting such low standards for all the money we pump into the club.

[DIXIHIBS]

While there's no denying yesterdays result was a shocker the reaction has been at times OTT. One really bad result in a league cup group, 3 games into the season, doesn't mean we're going to get relegated. First 2 games we played fairly well and scored 10 goals. Wasn't at the game yesterday but by most accounts Kelty didn't exactly play us off the park but it was more down to our inefficiency in front of goal. For sure we need to strengthen the squad, especially up front, but lets give the new management a bit time. If we're sitting bottom of the league after the first round of fixtures then we can worry, but lets not hit the panic button after 1 (very bad) result.

[1875M]

Using the excuse that he needs to get minutes in the players legs isn’t good enough. That’s what the Watford game is for and organise some bounce games behind closed doors if that’s how you feel. I like Gray (love actually) but he’s got a hell of a job on his hands here. He’s had a decent start, new manager bounce, but let’s call a spade a spade. We beat two unfit lower league teams, one of which was part time. The squad is not good enough for 3rd at the moment and we need minimum, 4 players in who can start. We will not finish 3rd/4th with the current squad. Aberdeen and Hearts both have better starting 11’s and squads at the moment and they are our closest rivals

[Pretty Boy]

I don’t get the free pass line.

Why ?

Club legend yes but the Hibs job is high profile and he applied for it so knows exactly what to expect.

LJ had Falkirk / Andorra away as shocking losses.
Gray now has Kelty loss on his CV and drawing with the worst team in the league Livi last season.
Monty - did he ever lose to lower league teams ?
Maloney - ?

As fans can we stop accepting such low standards for all the money we pump into the club.

It's not about accepting low standards. It's about being totally realistic about the absolutely cluster**** those running the club have created.

There has to be progress this season. If we are sitting 9th or 10th come March then Gray will be under real pressure and rightly so. Another result like yesterday will heap pressure on him (and I already said he should shoulder a chunk of the blame for that). I just don't think demanding top 3 or 4 this season is realistic though and it creates unrealistic expectations to suggest it is. In that regard if we are 6th this season I would probably be ok with it in a way I usually wouldn't be

In the mix for those 3rd and 4th spots is absolutely where we should be and it has to be the aim, not just to get there once but to be there year after year. My expectations around Hibs are anything but low but there also has to be a sense of realism about the situation that has been allowed to develop and Gray and Mackay aren't responsible for that. It's going to take them more than 6 weeks or even 6 months to unpick. Non contributors on the best contracts they are ever going to get in football are going to cripple us for another year whether we like it or not.

[Callum_62]

Using the excuse that he needs to get minutes in the players legs isn’t good enough. That’s what the Watford game is for and organise some bounce games behind closed doors if that’s how you feel. I like Gray (love actually) but he’s got a hell of a job on his hands here. He’s had a decent start, new manager bounce, but let’s call a spade a spade. We beat two unfit lower league teams, one of which was part time. The squad is not good enough for 3rd at the moment and we need minimum, 4 players in who can start. We will not finish 3rd/4th with the current squad. Aberdeen and Hearts both have better starting 11’s and squads at the moment and they are our closest rivalsI think Dundee Utd, St Johnstone and Motherwell are more our rivals

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[Trinity Hibee]

I think Dundee Utd, St Johnstone and Motherwell are more our rivals

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Sadly, you may have a point here

[Curried]

I must say I’m swithering for this first time in my puff about renewing my HibsTV annual subscription.

[Ozyhibby]

If Gray starts a full strength team in the friendly against Watford then his honeymoon will be well and truly over with me. Prioritising a friendly over a competitive game shows me he is not serious about the job.


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[B.H.F.C]

If Gray starts a full strength team in the friendly against Watford then his honeymoon will be well and truly over with me. Prioritising a friendly over a competitive game shows me he is not serious about the job.


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I think he made a mistake yesterday but to suggest Gray isn’t serious about the job is ridiculous.

[BoomtownHibees]

If Gray starts a full strength team in the friendly against Watford then his honeymoon will be well and truly over with me. Prioritising a friendly over a competitive game shows me he is not serious about the job.


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Jeez

[Ozyhibby]

I think he made a mistake yesterday but to suggest Gray isn’t serious about the job is ridiculous.

Is it? Prioritise a friendly over a competitive fixture?


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[BoomtownHibees]

Is it? Prioritise a friendly over a competitive fixture?


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Why would you believe that?

[ancient hibee]

Putting out a team with 6 (7 if you count Rudi) players unlikely to be first picks was crazy. The only excuse is if Gray wanted to give them the chance to show what they could do-well they certainly did that. What is really depressing is that all the intensity and chasing seemed to disappear-Group think of players who aren’t going to make it.

[MelbourneHibees]

If Gray starts a full strength team in the friendly against Watford then his honeymoon will be well and truly over with me. Prioritising a friendly over a competitive game shows me he is not serious about the job.


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To be fair to him starting a full strength team might be a reaction to yesterday, not a sign of priority.

[Callum_62]

shows me he is not serious about the job.


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Agree.

David Gray sees this as a quick buck and a fun jolly.



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[Real Emerald]

I've seen a few people put this up with most embarrassing results. As horrendous as it is I'm just not seeing it reaching the levels of some other matches. I won't bother mentioning them.

If it was a knockout fixture then sure, but we are still capable of winning the League Cup as it stands. And if we did then we will be laughing about this result.


It’s unacceptable in every shape or form. Our signings to date are ridiculous and if we don’t get our **** together we’re going to have another **** show season.

There is no way anyone can defend this pish result and lack of signings.

[Since452]

Agree.

David Gray sees this as a quick buck and a fun jolly.



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You're joking surely?

[MWHIBBIES]

If Gray starts a full strength team in the friendly against Watford then his honeymoon will be well and truly over with me. Prioritising a friendly over a competitive game shows me he is not serious about the job. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk :faf: Obviously he is not prioritizing a friendly. There is nothing whatsoever to suggest that. Get a grip.

[Ozyhibby]

:faf: Obviously he is not prioritizing a friendly. There is nothing whatsoever to suggest that. Get a grip.

We’ll see when the team is announced.


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[B.H.F.C]

Is it? Prioritise a friendly over a competitive fixture?


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Aye it’s a stupid suggestion.

He got it wrong yesterday but he’s entitled to think the team he put out should be good enough to win that game. Suggesting he’s not taking the job seriously is mental.

[MWHIBBIES]

We’ll see when the team is announced. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It doesn't matter what team is announced. He is aiming to have 15/16 players match fit for St Mirren. Not just 11.

[B.H.F.C]

It doesn't matter what team is announced. He is aiming to have 15/16 players match fit for St Mirren. Not just 11.

Those that came in yesterday, will be back in the bench on Wednesday then come on for the last half hour. They’ll get the same amount of minutes but they’re getting them in the wrong order. Should not have made the number of changes he did yesterday.

[MWHIBBIES]

Those that came in yesterday, will be back in the bench on Wednesday then come on for the last half hour. They’ll get the same amount of minutes but they’re getting them in the wrong order. Should not have made the number of changes he did yesterday. 60/90 minutes in a competitive game isn't the same as a friendly.

[B.H.F.C]

60/90 minutes in a competitive game isn't the same as a friendly.

They were playing against a part time team yesterday and never needed to chase the ball at all. They’ll get more from Watford in that regard. Competitive games should be strongest available team.

[MelbourneHibees]

We’ll see when the team is announced.


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Again, fielding a full strength team isn't proof he prioritised the friendly.

[He's here!]

I think Dundee Utd, St Johnstone and Motherwell are more our rivals

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As things stand there's not a chance we'll be competitive with Aberdeen or Hearts. If we go into the league with the current squad we'll be hoping to stay just above the relegation zone.

[B.H.F.C]

As things stand there's not a chance we'll be competitive with Aberdeen or Hearts. If we go into the league with the current squad we'll be hoping to stay just above the relegation zone.

Cannae wait for your quarterly thread about relegation.

[He's here!]

Aye it’s a stupid suggestion.

He got it wrong yesterday but he’s entitled to think the team he put out should be good enough to win that game. Suggesting he’s not taking the job seriously is mental.

Bearing in mind how long he's known and worked with most of these players and how little many of them offer was he really entitled to think they'd do a job for him yesterday?

[MWHIBBIES]

They were playing against a part time team yesterday and never needed to chase the ball at all. They’ll get more from Watford in that regard. Competitive games should be strongest available team. Which one of the players who came in genuinely cost us the game? Vente, Boyle and Rudi missed the chances. If we always plan to start our strongest team in every competitive game, we should be disbanding out youth setup, as they'll never play.

[B.H.F.C]

Which one of the players who came in genuinely cost us the game? Vente, Boyle and Rudi missed the chances. If we always plan to start our strongest team in every competitive game, we should be disbanding out youth setup, as they'll never play.

Molotnikov would have been in my strongest available team, he came from the youth set up. Same with Campbell. That probably says more about our current squad than anything but thats what we have.

Team game and the team we put out wasn’t as strong as it could be. Because of the changes, things that hadn’t been happening started happening again. Like looking vulnerable to cross balls. I know you wanted changes made and think Gray ‘coached a victory’ or whatever it was so I’ll leave it at that rather than go round in circles.

[Yorkshire HFC]

I think he made a mistake yesterday but to suggest Gray isn’t serious about the job is ridiculous.How can he not know that the League Cup is a priority for Hibs? He's been at Easter Road for 10 years - very strange.

[He's here!]

Cannae wait for your quarterly thread about relegation.

For quite some time now we've been a team you sense would not cope well in adversity. Montgomery came up with a sticking plaster solution thanks to the January loan signings but yesterday's pitiful result screams 'Losers!'. I think it's fair to say we'll toil without significant recruitment. Our 'strike force' in particular seems especially powder puff.

[fiolex1]

I am not wearing that team selection cost us the game, we were playing Kelty Hearts FFS. Our development squad should be beating Kelty. Unless we get another 3-4 quality players in I really can’t see us progressing next season. Is DG too cosy with the players?

[Since452]

All was rosey in the garden on Wednesday after scudding our second team in a row. Amazing what one (admittedly shocking) result can do to people opinions. We had enough chances to win two games yesterday but couldn't score. It happens sometimes. Embarrassing result, theres no getting away from that but I'm not going to over react to it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

As things stand there's not a chance we'll be competitive with Aberdeen or Hearts. If we go into the league with the current squad we'll be hoping to stay just above the relegation zone.

Why won’t we be competitive with Aberdeen? What have they done that’s such a cert to improve them from being much the same as us last season to way better?

[The Modfather]

All was rosey in the garden on Wednesday after scudding our second team in a row. Amazing what one (admittedly shocking) result can do to people opinions. We had enough chances to win two games yesterday but couldn't score. It happens sometimes. Embarrassing result, theres no getting away from that but I'm not going to over react to it.

The more we have to dip into the current squad the more we will see embarrassing results. Last season showed that Montgomery was a part of the problem but not the root cause. Gray will go the same way as Montgomery if he has to also play the likes of Rocky, Levitt, McKirdy, Vente as he won’t be getting any more out of them either.

[blackpoolhibs]

All was rosey in the garden on Wednesday after scudding our second team in a row. Amazing what one (admittedly shocking) result can do to people opinions. We had enough chances to win two games yesterday but couldn't score. It happens sometimes. Embarrassing result, theres no getting away from that but I'm not going to over react to it.Why not over react, it keeps on happening, when is the time to over react?

[Smartie]

Aye it’s a stupid suggestion.

He got it wrong yesterday but he’s entitled to think the team he put out should be good enough to win that game. Suggesting he’s not taking the job seriously is mental.

Disagree re the team yesterday.

It was an abomination of a team that has no business expecting to win a competitive fixture against anyone.

Gray deserves some leeway as a rookie to be making rookie mistakes - but there’s no real way that selection can be justified or defended - it was a mistake, pure and simple.

Neither do I think he’s taking it lightly btw - just got it wrong.

[flash]

Disagree re the team yesterday.

It was an abomination of a team that has no business expecting to win a competitive fixture against anyone.

Gray deserves some leeway as a rookie to be making rookie mistakes - but there’s no real way that selection can be justified or defended - it was a mistake, pure and simple.

With even average finishing we win that game by 2 or 3 goals.

As the players who missed the easiest chances are all regular starters not sure where you are coming from here.

[blackpoolhibs]

Disagree re the team yesterday.It was an abomination of a team that has no business expecting to win a competitive fixture against anyone.Gray deserves some leeway as a rookie to be making rookie mistakes - but there’s no real way that selection can be justified or defended - it was a mistake, pure and simple.The bit about him getting leeway is what i disagree with, he's been at the club 10 years, he's seen manager after manager **** this very situation up, and he does the very thing that's caused us problems in the past.Doesnt look like he's a fast learner to me.

[Since452]

Why not over react, it keeps on happening, when is the time to over react?

Shocking result. No doubt about it and people are rightly pissed off but I'm expecting us to score 4 or 5 on Saturday as we really should have yesterday. Hopefully a signing or two this week to lift the mood as well.

[blackpoolhibs]

Shocking result. No doubt about it and people are rightly pissed off but I'm expecting us to score 4 or 5 on Saturday as we really should have yesterday. Hopefully a signing or two this week to lift the mood as well.Winning on Saturday does not change yesterdays result, a result that keeps on happening year after year. I keep hearing that phrase about learning from it, we never do.I agree about new signings, we certainly need them.

[JimBHibees]

As things stand there's not a chance we'll be competitive with Aberdeen or Hearts. If we go into the league with the current squad we'll be hoping to stay just above the relegation zone.

As things stand which it clearly won’t. You should take up a job as an inspirational speaker you would be great at it.

[Jim44]

How much does yesterday’s result ruin or damage our chances of a seeded spot in the last 16 round of the competition? I’m assuming that stage is seeded.

[Fritz]

Agree.

David Gray sees this as a quick buck and a fun jolly.



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This may just be the worst post I’ve ever seen on Hibs.net which, given what’s gone previously, is really quite a remarkable achievement.

[BoomtownHibees]

How much does yesterday’s result ruin or damage our chances of a seeded spot in the last 16 round of the competition? I’m assuming that stage is seeded.

We won’t be seeded

[Callum_62]

How much does yesterday’s result ruin or damage our chances of a seeded spot in the last 16 round of the competition? I’m assuming that stage is seeded.Pretty sure it makes seeding highly unlikely

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[Callum_62]

This may just be the worst post I’ve ever seen on Hibs.net which, given what’s gone previously, is really quite a remarkable achievement.You really believe Mr professional himself is not taking this job seriously?

The suggestion of that is amongst the worse takes I've seen on here, so ridiculous that ridicule was the only retort

I assumed the "fun jolly" when referencing the Hibs head coach job might have been a given away to the seriousness of my post

There's generally not much fun about it!

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[B.H.F.C]

Disagree re the team yesterday.

It was an abomination of a team that has no business expecting to win a competitive fixture against anyone.

Gray deserves some leeway as a rookie to be making rookie mistakes - but there’s no real way that selection can be justified or defended - it was a mistake, pure and simple.

Neither do I think he’s taking it lightly btw - just got it wrong.

I also think the team was wrong. He should have taken no risks, for his own reputation as much as anything. There is obviously a lot of goodwill towards David Gray and there was a bit of optimism building. That optimism is gone now.

All that said, the team put out should have still won the game comfortably.

[He's here!]

Why not over react, it keeps on happening, when is the time to over react?

Indeed. The 'calm down, we've just won X number of games or we were just two points off third/fourth/fifth/top six X number of weeks ago' type of responses get us nowhere as long as pitiful results keep stacking up. It seems clear that the current squad simply don't get that what they serve up is far too often way short of what should be expected for a club which on paper is one of the biggest in Scotland. Continuing to 'not over-react' will do nothing to address that.

[Heisenberg]

That Falkirk result turned so many against LJ early doors, it probably won’t do the same for SDG just because of who he is but it’s definitely seen an end to the optimism that was building. I’ve got no time for any chat about having patience, we need three or four starters in before St Mirren.

[B.H.F.C]

That Falkirk result turned so many against LJ early doors, it probably won’t do the same for SDG just because of who he is but it’s definitely seen an end to the optimism that was building. I’ve got no time for any chat about having patience, we need three or four starters in before St Mirren.

I’m hoping we’ll see at least one in by the Watford game and another by Peterhead.

Sick of being patient. If yesterday doesn’t encourage them to get the finger out, I’m not sure what will.

[judas]

There was a sense of cautious optimism building over the last couple of weeks but today's result looks to have kicked that into touch. Johnson got berated for not taking the League Cup group stages seriously, but losing to Kelty leaves Gray open to the same accusations. Over the last few years it's probably fair to say we've come to expect fairly regular embarrassing defeats, but that's got to be up there as one of the club's poorest ever results in a competitive game.

There is a new underclass of game. This one fits that category. We will still win the group and still
be in the cup.

Not a massive deal on its own but I feel a harbinger that we will look back on, with this relegation level squad.

[TrinityHFC]

I’m hoping we’ll see at least one in by the Watford game and another by Peterhead. Sick of being patient. If yesterday doesn’t encourage them to get the finger out, I’m not sure what will.You really think the people at the club are sitting around waiting for signs to let them know who to sign? I’d love us to have a full squad of all our chosen players by this point but it just isn’t the way it works and we all see and hear enough not just at Hibs but every club in the world to know this really.

[He's here!]

That Falkirk result turned so many against LJ early doors, it probably won’t do the same for SDG just because of who he is but it’s definitely seen an end to the optimism that was building. I’ve got no time for any chat about having patience, we need three or four starters in before St Mirren.

We also failed to beat Morton at home in those League Cup group stages (compounded by us fielding an ineligible player) although I think we started with a 5-0 win over Clyde. Failing even to get out of the group felt like a bit of a nadir but I'd say yesterday's defeat on it's own rivals that for ineptitude.

[Callum_62]

You really think the people at the club are sitting around waiting for signs to let them know who to sign? I’d love us to have a full squad of all our chosen players by this point but it just isn’t the way it works and we all see and hear enough not just at Hibs but every club in the world to know this really.Maybe not but we are certainly going slower than most of the league

Motherwell about to add another days after losing Bair - for a fee too

1 Aussie cap and 17 goals in 25 appearances last year

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[B.H.F.C]

You really think the people at the club are sitting around waiting for signs to let them know who to sign? I’d love us to have a full squad of all our chosen players by this point but it just isn’t the way it works and we all see and hear enough not just at Hibs but every club in the world to know this really.

I don’t think they’re sitting around but circumstances can 100% impact how quickly they look to move IMO.

Whatever they’re doing, they’re not doing well enough. Again. We all know you’re not going to have a complete squad at this point. Think we’re all entitled to expect better than what we currently have, especially when 8 million odd quid has been pumped in to the club in the last few months.

[flash]

We also failed to beat Morton at home in those League Cup group stages (compounded by us fielding an ineligible player) although I think we started with a 5-0 win over Clyde. Failing even to get out of the group felt like a bit of a nadir but I'd say yesterday's defeat on it's own rivals that for ineptitude.

Not even close to comparing.

[Joe Baker II]

We also failed to beat Morton at home in those League Cup group stages (compounded by us fielding an ineligible player) although I think we started with a 5-0 win over Clyde. Failing even to get out of the group felt like a bit of a nadir but I'd say yesterday's defeat on it's own rivals that for ineptitude.

Do not disagree but think that Falkirk team were superior to Kelty Hearts, made Johnson decision to field a weak team more unforgiveable and as someone above said, he was never forgiven for giving impression he saw cup games as less important than league games - was immediately discredited. Gray might get away with yesterday more if we still get through, but even then questions to be asked if a difficult last 16 draw arises as result of not being seeded.

[K-Zazu]

Barring a total disaster Gray has all but a free pass from me this season. We are a mess. That doesn't mean I won't criticise if he gets things wrong, I thought he got his team selection wrong yesterday and said as much.

I think people underestimate just how much damage the whole 'experiment' of the last few years has done. This season is one to get through before we can shed the load next summer and really kick on.

Of course Gray has to show signs of progress. If we flatline or get worse then the pressure will come but I'm not expecting 3rd this year. A solid top 6, one decent cup run and a decent derby record and I'd be more than happy. I'm resigned to this being a slog now, the madness of the last 2 or 3 seasons and the approach to recruitment has seen to that. Gray and Mackay need time to sort it out and I think they have made a decent start by addressing the biggest weakness from the last 2 seasons.

A free pass? I’m sorry but that’s a load of absolute woffle.. we can’t just let a rookie manager a free pass this season. We need to get the finger out pronto.

[superfurryhibby]

Failure to back Gray would be the final straw for many. This board have little credibility as it is, but I think people will react differently to more failure this time.

Expectations have been raised by the incoming investment. After years of Petrie austerity, people hoped Hibs would do better with our ambitious American owners, who were keen to shake up the Scottish game.

It's been a bit of a damp squib really . Third place and two losing cup finals, showed promise but we've had the debt, sale of players, sale of a share in the club, investment in facilities, investment in duds, sackings and boring football.

I think anyone could see the potential of a well run Hibs, the opportunity to grow the club commercially. However, the inflated club structure, the ridiculous CEO wages, the money wasted on players, trips to Dubai (GTF), that all sticks in the craw a wee bit for me.

[He's here!]

Failure to back Gray would be the final straw for many. This board have little credibility as it is, but I think people will react differently to more failure this time.

Expectations have been raised by the incoming investment. After years of Petrie austerity, people hoped Hibs would do better with our ambitious American owners, who were keen to shake up the Scottish game.

It's been a bit of a damp squib really . Third place and two losing cup finals, showed promise but we've had the debt, sale of players, sale of a share in the club, investment in facilities, investment in duds, sackings and boring football.

I think anyone could see the potential of a well run Hibs, the opportunity to grow the club commercially. However, the inflated club structure, the ridiculous CEO wages, the money wasted on players, trips to Dubai (GTF), that all sticks in the craw a wee bit for me.

The third place and two cup finals were achieved before the new owners had really started to impose their own agenda. Sacking Ross was their first big, kneejerk mistake and next to nothing they've done since then re the playing side (bar perhaps resigning Martin Boyle) has shown they have much of a clue. Hoping the Mackay appointment might improve that side of things but it's hard to be too optimistic. Petrie was a football novice when Farmer brought him in but he worked hard for us and left Hibs in a good place.

[Lago]

I wonder if Sir Tom Farmer has any regrets selling Hibs to Ron Gordon?

[Ozyhibby]

The third place and two cup finals were achieved before the new owners had really started to impose their own agenda. Sacking Ross was their first big, kneejerk mistake and next to nothing they've done since then re the playing side (bar perhaps resigning Martin Boyle) has shown they have much of a clue. Hoping the Mackay appointment might improve that side of things but it's hard to be too optimistic. Petrie was a football novice when Farmer brought him in but he worked hard for us and left Hibs in a good place.

Petrie held us back for years. If income was down he cut costs. He had us Mike behind Hearts and Aberdeen commercially. The Gordon’s have shown that to be true.
Unfortunately the football side of things has been as bad as Petrie. Not got us relegated yet but it’s coming.


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[eastmainsmsh]

The fringe players now have had there chance hopefully can get few moved on

[zero-seven]

There was a sense of cautious optimism building over the last couple of weeks but today's result looks to have kicked that into touch. Johnson got berated for not taking the League Cup group stages seriously, but losing to Kelty leaves Gray open to the same accusations. Over the last few years it's probably fair to say we've come to expect fairly regular embarrassing defeats, but that's got to be up there as one of the club's poorest ever results in a competitive game.Same old same old, nothing has really changed. Last minute panic signings that need to be integrated into the team which will happen in the first 11 games of the new league season. No surprises with this management team from the top down, no forward planning at all. It’s the hope that kills you

[Bobby's Cinema]

What should be a wake up call is that I wouldn't describe the team we put out as dramatic changes from what we will see on day one at this moment and time.Look at our bench, there was nothing to call on to bring on to influence the game in an attacking sense.A few players in and around the squad getting the opportunity of game time and showing again that they are not performing at the level we are looking for. Don't mind the manager giving trust in a handful of players - in and around the squad I might say, not complete no-marks - away at kelty FFS.

[He's here!]

Petrie held us back for years. If income was down he cut costs. He had us Mike behind Hearts and Aberdeen commercially. The Gordon’s have shown that to be true.
Unfortunately the football side of things has been as bad as Petrie. Not got us relegated yet but it’s coming.


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Hearts were on the brink of liquidation after years of appalling stewardship. I'm not aware of what strides Aberdeen have taken commercially compared to Hibs but they were still training in the public park near Pittodrie not so long ago. What they did do was show some savvy with the McInnes appointment but since Cormack took the helm they've been almost as big a basket case club as us.

[Iain G]

I wonder if Sir Tom Farmer has any regrets selling Hibs to Ron Gordon?

Why would he?

[Ozyhibby]

Hearts were on the brink of liquidation after years of appalling stewardship. I'm not aware of what strides Aberdeen have taken commercially compared to Hibs but they were still training in the public park near Pittodrie not so long ago. What they did do was show some savvy with the McInnes appointment but since Cormack took the helm they've been almost as big a basket case club as us.

I’m only talking about commercial income. They were bringing in more than 50% more than us while Petrie was in charge.


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[Scotty Leither]

I’m hoping we’ll see at least one in by the Watford game and another by Peterhead. Sick of being patient. If yesterday doesn’t encourage them to get the finger out, I’m not sure what will.Nothing will, it seems. Gordon will continue with his vow of omerta, Kensell will continue to talk a lot of crap and MacPherson will blame the fans. The "Golden Quadrant" thing sums them up as the bunch of (unfunny) comedians that they are.

[Callum_62]

Nothing will, it seems. Gordon will continue with his vow of omerta, Kensell will continue to talk a lot of crap and MacPherson will blame the fans. The "Golden Quadrant" thing sums them up as the bunch of (unfunny) comedians that they are.Genuine question - it was them that call themselves the golden quadrant?

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[Trinity Hibee]

I wonder if Sir Tom Farmer has any regrets selling Hibs to Ron Gordon?

Don’t think he was really ever that in to football was he? He was pulled in due to his great grandfather(?) saving Hibs 100 years before. What I’d give to have Farmer and Petrie back now

[LewysGot2]

Again, fielding a full strength team isn't proof he prioritised the friendly.

Agree 👍

He's in a no-wim situation by the look of it. If he drops players who weren't up to the task on Saturday then we have some folk reading that as priorities being wrong. If he doesn't drop them he'll get it tight, too.

God knows what will happen if he starts Jair 🤪

[MWHIBBIES]

Agree 👍

He's in a no-wim situation by the look of it. If he drops players who weren't up to the task on Saturday then we have some folk reading that as priorities being wrong. If he doesn't drop them he'll get it tight, too.

God knows what will happen if he starts Jair 🤪

Probably should start Jair. Was good when he came on.

[Dashing Bob S]

Yes, we are reacting to the frustration of last season, but yes, we should be pissed off losing such games in any circumstances. It simply isn’t good enough. But let’s put this nonsense to bed next week against Peterhead and move on. The Watford game is an irrelevance.

[Callum_62]

Probably should start Jair. Was good when he came on.Yep, he should start if Youan is out

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[Pagan Hibernia]

The third place and two cup finals were achieved before the new owners had really started to impose their own agenda. Sacking Ross was their first big, kneejerk mistake and next to nothing they've done since then re the playing side (bar perhaps resigning Martin Boyle) has shown they have much of a clue. Hoping the Mackay appointment might improve that side of things but it's hard to be too optimistic. Petrie was a football novice when Farmer brought him in but he worked hard for us and left Hibs in a good place.Sacking Ross may have been a kneejerk reaction but it was one that was backed by plenty of people on here. That decision looks worse and worse two and a half years on. Ross wasnt properly backed when it came to building on a third place finish, and then fans got on his back at the first sign of trouble. We as a support have got to start understanding that a club like Hibs will go through periods of poor form and results. It's just the way it is. There's a very clear pattern these days that there are calls for a change after a bad month. Shedding managers like that without holding the owners and board accountable is never going to lead to improvement.

[ancient hibee]

Yes, we are reacting to the frustration of last season, but yes, we should be pissed off losing such games in any circumstances. It simply isn’t good enough. But let’s put this nonsense to bed next week against Peterhead and move on. The Watford game is an irrelevance.Not sure we’ll move on too far if Kelty win their two games.

[theonlywayisup]

Sacking Ross may have been a kneejerk reaction but it was one that was backed by plenty of people on here. That decision looks worse and worse two and a half years on. Ross wasnt properly backed when it came to building on a third place finish, and then fans got on his back at the first sign of trouble. We as a support have got to start understanding that a club like Hibs will go through periods of poor form and results. It's just the way it is. There's a very clear pattern these days that there are calls for a change after a bad month. Shedding managers like that without holding the owners and board accountable is never going to lead to improvement.Agree! I was 100% against the sacking of Jack Ross, but understood why many wanted him gone. However, the really bad decision was appointing Maloney and undermining him by selling our best player (Boyle) along with good established professionals (Gogic, Murphy & Halberg) and replacing them with the start of the "experimental" hopeful punts. The problem is not who we appoint, it's how they are being supported.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Why would he?

Because it was always stated he was determined when he sold that it would be the best possible deal for Hibs.

It’s nigh on impossible to argue that the Gordon’s/Kensell etc have been good for Hibs on the football side.

[Iain G]

Because it was always stated he was determined when he sold that it would be the best possible deal for Hibs.

It’s nigh on impossible to argue that the Gordon’s/Kensell etc have been good for Hibs on the football side.

I doubt he would regret it, Ron genuinely felt like he was wanting to make this a success and do his best, he made a few mistakes along the way but no reason Tom Farmer should regret selling.

Things that have happened since have been a family tragedy and nothing is where anyone expected it to be.

[Tyler Durden]

Because it was always stated he was determined when he sold that it would be the best possible deal for Hibs.

It’s nigh on impossible to argue that the Gordon’s/Kensell etc have been good for Hibs on the football side.

League positions are probably consistent with the average seen under STF's reign though.

[SickBoy32]

League positions are probably consistent with the average seen under STF's reign though.

There is no comparison between the Farmer era and the Gordon reign to date.

Farmer truly transformed the club from a very low ebb, modernised the stadium and built a training centre, winning 3 trophies along the way (should’ve been more!)

The Gordons arrived with the club still riding a wave from the Scottish Cup win. They’ve had a brutal derby record, a brutal recruitment record, brutal managerial appointments, brutal strategies (B team anyone?!) and are now overseeing a pretty stark reduction in folk heading to ER.

The Gordon era has been very poor for the club, setting us back years and almost resetting the support to the pre cup final days. A couple of tarted up lounges does not change this.

Sooner they sell up, and take that dafty Kensell with them - the better.

[Tyler Durden]

There is no comparison between the Farmer era and the Gordon reign to date.

Farmer truly transformed the club from a very low ebb, modernised the stadium and built a training centre, winning 3 trophies along the way (should’ve been more!)

The Gordons arrived with the club still riding a wave from the Scottish Cup win. They’ve had a brutal derby record, a brutal recruitment record, brutal managerial appointments, brutal strategies (B team anyone?!) and are now overseeing a pretty stark reduction in folk heading to ER.

The Gordon era has been very poor for the club, setting us back years and almost resetting the support to the pre cup final days. A couple of tarted up lounges does not change this.

Sooner they sell up, and take that dafty Kensell with them - the better.


It's quite a one sided view you're putting forward. I'm not even trying to defend the Gordons here but

* Farmer left us with debt which the Gordons cleared
* We had a brutal derby record under STF
* We appointed plenty of brutal managers
* For the most part our attendances were worse than the last 5 years
* Again, our league positions were broadly consistent with last 5 years

Plenty ammo to slate the Gordons but Tom Farmer and Petrie weren't some golden period to look back on. I couldn't really give a toss what Farmer or Petrie think

[SickBoy32]

It's quite a one sided view you're putting forward. I'm not even trying to defend the Gordons here but

* Farmer left us with debt which the Gordons cleared
* We had a brutal derby record under STF
* We appointed plenty of brutal managers
* For the most part our attendances were worse than the last 5 years
* Again, our league positions were broadly consistent with last 5 years

Plenty ammo to slate the Gordons but Tom Farmer and Petrie weren't some golden period to look back on. I couldn't really give a toss what Farmer or Petrie think

Wasn’t really looking to make the previous regime seem all sunshine, was more to compare how the Gordons are doing vs what went before.

Derby record has got a lot worse than what we were averaging under the previous regime, frightening achievement. Our record vs the OF ditto.

Aye plenty brutal managers, did find a few gems however

Attendances have only been up during the Gordon era due to 2016, certainly nothing that the Gordon’s themselves have instigated. After a solid 5 years of stellar work they’ve nearly got us back to our traditional base support though!

I just think folk need to ditch this mindset that they’ve been good for Hibs off the park. They haven’t and it’s time for them to go.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Wasn’t really looking to make the previous regime seem all sunshine, was more to compare how the Gordons are doing vs what went before.

Derby record has got a lot worse than what we were averaging under the previous regime, frightening achievement. Our record vs the OF ditto.

Aye plenty brutal managers, did find a few gems however

Attendances have only been up during the Gordon era due to 2016, certainly nothing that the Gordon’s themselves have instigated. After a solid 5 years of stellar work they’ve nearly got us back to our traditional base support though!

I just think folk need to ditch this mindset that they’ve been good for Hibs off the park. They haven’t and it’s time for them to go.

:agree:

[Coco Bryce]

Wasn’t really looking to make the previous regime seem all sunshine, was more to compare how the Gordons are doing vs what went before.

Derby record has got a lot worse than what we were averaging under the previous regime, frightening achievement. Our record vs the OF ditto.

Aye plenty brutal managers, did find a few gems however

Attendances have only been up during the Gordon era due to 2016, certainly nothing that the Gordon’s themselves have instigated. After a solid 5 years of stellar work they’ve nearly got us back to our traditional base support though!

I just think folk need to ditch this mindset that they’ve been good for Hibs off the park. They haven’t and it’s time for them to go.

👍🏻

[He's here!]

Wasn’t really looking to make the previous regime seem all sunshine, was more to compare how the Gordons are doing vs what went before.

Derby record has got a lot worse than what we were averaging under the previous regime, frightening achievement. Our record vs the OF ditto.

Aye plenty brutal managers, did find a few gems however

Attendances have only been up during the Gordon era due to 2016, certainly nothing that the Gordon’s themselves have instigated. After a solid 5 years of stellar work they’ve nearly got us back to our traditional base support though!

I just think folk need to ditch this mindset that they’ve been good for Hibs off the park. They haven’t and it’s time for them to go.

This 'they've done a great job off the park' chat has worn increasingly thin the worse the team on it becomes.

[Silky]

Wasn’t really looking to make the previous regime seem all sunshine, was more to compare how the Gordons are doing vs what went before.

Derby record has got a lot worse than what we were averaging under the previous regime, frightening achievement. Our record vs the OF ditto.

Aye plenty brutal managers, did find a few gems however

Attendances have only been up during the Gordon era due to 2016, certainly nothing that the Gordon’s themselves have instigated. After a solid 5 years of stellar work they’ve nearly got us back to our traditional base support though!

I just think folk need to ditch this mindset that they’ve been good for Hibs off the park. They haven’t and it’s time for them to go.

We've had a brutal derby record and plenty brutal managers my entire life! Nothing's changed really in over 40 years.

[Gordy M]

Wasn’t really looking to make the previous regime seem all sunshine, was more to compare how the Gordons are doing vs what went before. Derby record has got a lot worse than what we were averaging under the previous regime, frightening achievement. Our record vs the OF ditto. Aye plenty brutal managers, did find a few gems however Attendances have only been up during the Gordon era due to 2016, certainly nothing that the Gordon’s themselves have instigated. After a solid 5 years of stellar work they’ve nearly got us back to our traditional base support though!I just think folk need to ditch this mindset that they’ve been good for Hibs off the park. They haven’t and it’s time for them to go.We spent THREE years in the Championship under the 'old regime' less than 10 years ago?

[He's here!]

We spent THREE years in the Championship under the 'old regime' less than 10 years ago?

Unusual circumstances with Hearts and Rangers also down there and better financed than us. We might well have come back up in a season otherwise. Overall tho it had the considerable siver lining of enabling a complete reset and a Scottish Cup win. Dempster, Stubbs and the lad who oversaw recruitment whose name escapes me did a terrific job.

The current regime have steadily taken us back to the kind of vibe which surrounded the club when we went down.

[MWHIBBIES]

We spent THREE years in the Championship under the 'old regime' less than 10 years ago?

Yep, and our signings, performances and cup results were miles better than now.

[He's here!]

Yep, and our signings, performances and cup results were miles better than now.

Yep, and that, fuelled hugely of course by the Scottish Cup win, is what brought the crowds in.

What's likely to entice the crowds now? The great 'off the pitch improvements'?

I get the need to be cutting a dash when it comes to corporate affairs but when the showpiece product (the team on the park) is largely dismal you're working with at least one hand tied behind your back.

[TrinityHFC]

Yep, and our signings, performances and cup results were miles better than now.Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Even 2 years into the rebuild we had a period where we lost 3 goals at home to Morton, followed by losing another 3 to Dumbarton (our second loss to them that season), then losing to Queen of the South then Raith Rovers. We lost to Alloa shortly after, Raith again before winning the second leg than failing to beat Falkirk over any of the 2 play off games. Signings were interesting. We obviously did incredibly well to get McGinn, McGeouch, Stokes, Henderson etc. We also signed the likes of Jake Sinclair, Islam Feruz, Chris Dagnall, Otso Virtanen, Dan Carmichael, Adam Eckersley etc….

[TrinityHFC]

Yep, and that, fuelled hugely of course by the Scottish Cup win, is what brought the crowds in.What's likely to entice the crowds now? The great 'off the pitch improvements'?I get the need to be cutting a dash when it comes to corporate affairs but when the showpiece product (the team on the park) is largely dismal you're working with at least one hand tied behind your back.I don’t think the pattern of our average attendances over the last ten years really matches that.

[jakeshibs]

There is no comparison between the Farmer era and the Gordon reign to date. Farmer truly transformed the club from a very low ebb, modernised the stadium and built a training centre, winning 3 trophies along the way (should’ve been more!) The Gordons arrived with the club still riding a wave from the Scottish Cup win. They’ve had a brutal derby record, a brutal recruitment record, brutal managerial appointments, brutal strategies (B team anyone?!) and are now overseeing a pretty stark reduction in folk heading to ER. The Gordon era has been very poor for the club, setting us back years and almost resetting the support to the pre cup final days. A couple of tarted up lounges does not change this. Sooner they sell up, and take that dafty Kensell with them - the better.You must have forgotten our previous derby records or forgotten all the people outside the ground shouting, Petrie out, farmer out, etc; short memories used to fit a narrative. Winning the championship at the third attempt is embarrassing; being in that league that long has never happened under Gordons era, The club has financially never been stronger, or owed such a short amount. Yes, we have a stadium which outside the old firm is one of the best in Scotland, we also own our own training facilities, which is fantastic.The footballing side has not met our expectations, although we have seen the return of European fixtures, villa away was a great day out, We have constantly as fans wanted to sack the manager shouting at the board to replace them and then blaming them for poor recruitment or management, Heckingbottom went on to bigger and better, Ross was successful but fans not happy with the style of play, Maloney doing ok and Montgomery taken by English premier side, so speaks volumes.Maybe if we had stuck with any of the above and allowed them to build their team, things might have been different, as even Sir Alex Ferguson did not turn Manchester United around in one season.Be careful what you wish for, as who would buy our club just to fulfil our expectations? We all have choices to support or not, was born a Hibbie and I will die a Hibbie GGTTH