Southgate stands down as England manager

[theonlywayisup]

Not a surprise! Decent bloke, I think. Can be proud of what he has achieved, IMO.

[MrSmith]

100% good guy and put together a good team. Hounded out by their ****ty entitled media.

[Since452]

Will there be a statue built outside Wembley? What an incredible manager he's been for them.

[Spike Mandela]

Wouldn’t feel too sorry for him. On a reprted £5m a year for a job with a lot of media pressure but a handful of games a year and a very talented pool of players to pick from. Not the worst job in the world.

[gbhibby]

Klopp would be their best choice. Hope not though they might win something under Klopp and his style of playing.

[easty]

Klopp would be their best choice. Hope not though they might win something under Klopp and his style of playing.

Klopp could win them the World Cup, I hope they go with someone like Lampard or Gerrard.

[The Modfather]

The English Jack Ross.

A likeable man (which is annoying as an England manager). Left them much better than he found them but not up to getting them over the line and onto the next level. Consistent at tournaments, but also benefited from very kind draws. Think it was one of the pundits that made the point that he would likely have been a quarter final manager like the others if they had to face Croatia, Italy, Spain etc at that stage like his predecessors did. Which is a fair point.

Hopefully they go for someone like Eddie Howe and not someone like Klopp.

[Big_Franck]

Gutted he's gone. I'd have given him a new 10 year contract.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

A year early for Pep I suspect but the likes of him or Klopp would win a major. Without doubt. What about Ancelotti?

Hope it's one of the uninspiring English managers on thr list. Tough act to follow. He can be proud of what he's achieved.

[Pretty Boy]

He has certainly left a far better situation that the one he inherited. Built a good platform but probably not the man to get them over the line.

As others have said he seems a pretty likable sort, he was very measured post match on Sunday and has seemed every bit as exasperated by the English media as many of us are at times.

[The Sundance Kid]

Might be wrong but I’m sure I read that Klopp was looking to take at least a year out to recharge the batteries and spend time with his family. Can’t see him taking it at this point in time.

Think Mauricio Pochettino or Graham Potter would be the more likely front runners of those mentioned. Possibly Eddie Howe also depending on how he feels about the changes behind the scenes at Newcastle currently taking place.

[A Hi-Bee]

Wonder if he would take the Scotland job, although we could not afford him, with the amount of money that goes into the English game they should be winning World and Euro cups, scandal right enough, perhaps he should be banished to Australia, or some other sandy type place.

[Haymaker]

Neil Warnock please.

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[erin go bragh]

Far too negative with the players he had and throw in the ridiculous easy draws they received to reach both finals.
Don't think there will be any top clubs looking to appoint him as manager.

[Haymaker]

A year early for Pep I suspect but the likes of him or Klopp would win a major. Without doubt. What about Ancelotti?

Hope it's one of the uninspiring English managers on thr list. Tough act to follow. He can be proud of what he's achieved.Think Ancelotti is off to Manage Brazil after this season?

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[McD]

A year early for Pep I suspect but the likes of him or Klopp would win a major. Without doubt. What about Ancelotti?

Hope it's one of the uninspiring English managers on thr list. Tough act to follow. He can be proud of what he's achieved.



Ancelotti was being wooed by Brazil several months ago, the gist of what I read online was that he’s signed a new Madrid contract but isn’t expected to see it to the end, will step aside for most likely Alonso in a year/2 years and take the the Brazil job for a couple of tournaments

[Since452]

Being a successful club manager doesn't always mean they'll be a good national manager for those saying Klopp.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Ancelotti was being wooed by Brazil several months ago, the gist of what I read online was that he’s signed a new Madrid contract but isn’t expected to see it to the end, will step aside for most likely Alonso in a year/2 years and take the the Brazil job for a couple of tournaments

I remember him being linked but assumed it fell away given he's still at Madrid. Makes sense as they're probably the 2 jobs in football you can't say no to

[Green forever]

They should go for a homegrown manager, Lee Johnson is available.

[McD]

He has certainly left a far better situation that the on her inherited. Built a good platform but probably not the man to get them over the line.

As others have said he seems a pretty likable sort, he was very measured post match on Sunday and has seemed every bit as exasperated by the English media as many of us are at times.



He’s an inoffensive/fairly likeable man who was a safe pair of hands in a number of ways, not least that some of his predecessors had been seen to be failures, and/or clashed with the FA. He’s a conservative manager, and has under-utilised some of the talent he’s had at his disposal, whilst equally has made England for the most part a pretty consistent team. Definitely leaving them in a far better place than he inherited. Wouldn’t be surprised to see a few of their fans wondering what they’ve lost if the next man turns out to be a hodgson level appointment.

He’ll be well sought after if he wants another job as a club manager (Man Utd were linked regularly before ETH was confirmed as staying), although he’s not the level of a Klopp, Pep or Ancelotti.

[Joe6-2]

The press coverage of this is ridiculous

[Lago]

Nice guy who has undoubtedly improved the England team, whoever comes in has a fantastic talent pool to work with and should be able to take them to the next level.

[Lago]

They should go for a homegrown manager, Lee Johnson is available.Maybe convince Steve Clarke to jump ship.

[MWHIBBIES]

Klopp, Pep and Ancelotti? Not a hope.

Howe, Potter, even Kieran McKenna? Sure.

[McD]

I remember him being linked but assumed it fell away given he's still at Madrid. Makes sense as they're probably the 2 jobs in football you can't say no to


I think with certain international jobs, smart managers bide their time as to when they take it. Some countries generally seem to have a decent level of squad almost all the time, others have more noticeable peaks and troughs. Brazil seem to be on a downturn at the moment, I wonder if ancelotti is happy to wait for someone else to take the job for a year or 2 and bring through some younger players

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

I think with certain international jobs, smart managers bide their time as to when they take it. Some countries generally seem to have a decent level of squad almost all the time, others have more noticeable peaks and troughs. Brazil seem to be on a downturn at the moment, I wonder if ancelotti is happy to wait for someone else to take the job for a year or 2 and bring through some younger players

Good point. From what I see there Copa America campaign was a disaster and I think some of the ex pros were publicly against them

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Klopp, Pep and Ancelotti? Not a hope.

Howe, Potter, even Kieran McKenna? Sure.

What makes you think that MW? Financially it will pay very well I'd suspect

Mourinho 40/1 he wins things...

[MWHIBBIES]

What makes you think that MW? Financially it will pay very well I'd suspect

Mourinho 40/1 he wins things...

Pep zero chance. Not his job, paid far more at city. Literally bought his brother a club.

Klopp already said he's taking a long break. He's also you know, German, so would manage Germany if any national team id think.

Ancelotti doing a excellent job at Real. Nothing but stress being England manager.

The Southgate model worked. They'll do something similar. Capello and Sven didn't really work.

[K-Zazu]

Potter will get it.

[Haymaker]

Potter will get it.And to think the fans were upset at the lack of goals under Southgate!

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[Billy Whizz]

Potter will get it.

They’ll need a stronger more experienced manager than him

Seemingly Bellingham was having a massive fallout with Southgate in the 2nd half on Sunday night. 20 years of age and behind like this

[erin go bragh]

They should go for a homegrown manager, Lee Johnson is available.

Terry Butcher is also available

[SteveHFC]

They’ll need a stronger more experienced manager than him

Seemingly Bellingham was having a massive fallout with Southgate in the 2nd half on Sunday night. 20 years of age and behind like this

Sure Bellingham was hated by his teammates at Dortmund.

[Bostonhibby]

Potter will get it.Cannae see St Johnstone letting him go now he's got them playing such attractive football.

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[Billy Whizz]

Sure Bellingham was hated by his teammates at Dortmund.

I wasn’t aware of that

[Bishop Hibee]

Southgate was unlucky at Euro 2020 but tactics let him down in Euro 2024. If the FA are serious about winning a trophy they shoujd break the bank and get Klopp. I expect a Graham Potter type appointment thankfully.

[hibsbollah]

Potter will get it.

I think his Leicester experience will have scared him off working in England again :greengrin

[OstKurve Hibs]

Aye on paper he done well, England always get such easy draws tho and I'm pretty sure their record against teams in the top 10 of the ranking is pretty brutal. Less than 30% win rate v top 10 and these are the teams you need to beat to win trophies and thank god they choke every time.

They will have a better chance of winning something now southgates gone.
He's got some great players in the squad but he wasn't brave enough with his tactics to let them of the leash so to speak.

[NC1875]

I’m not sure he’s done as good a job as some make out.

Arguably the most talented squad in the world and won nothing.

He didn’t even have them playing well. Not surprised in the slightest that he’s gone.

[Trinity Hibee]

They’ll need a stronger more experienced manager than him

Seemingly Bellingham was having a massive fallout with Southgate in the 2nd half on Sunday night. 20 years of age and behind like this

Bellingham just looks like someone who has ideas above his station. He had a terrible tournament by his standards so should maybe look in the mirror first

[SteveHFC]

I wasn’t aware of thathttps://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/jude-bellingham-borussia-dortmund-real-madrid/blt676a8d8f11c6a755

[J-C]

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/jude-bellingham-borussia-dortmund-real-madrid/blt676a8d8f11c6a755

He'll fit in well at Real,the whole club has that attitude, probably why they are so successful.

[LaMotta]

Post 66, he is far and away the best manager England have ever had. Didn't even qualify for a tournament for a whole decade from 72 - 82. They look back at Bobby Robson and Venables as heroes - both of them scraped to semi finals with a load of draws. Robson even lost 3 out of three in Euro 88 and had them bottom of the group. Erikkson never got past quarters with an unbelievable team, Capello - disaster, Steve McLaren even worse.Who do they think they are claiming Southgate wasn't good enough for them??

[DH1875]

Ancelotti is definitely leaving Real end of this season. Alonso is getting the job, that's why he's staying at Leverkusen this year.

[Bostonhibby]

Post 66, he is far and away the best manager England have ever had. Didn't even qualify for a tournament for a whole decade from 72 - 82. They look back at Bobby Robson and Venables as heroes - both of them scraped to semi finals with a load of draws. Robson even lost 3 out of three in Euro 88 and had them bottom of the group. Erikkson never got past quarters with an unbelievable team, Capello - disaster, Steve McLaren even worse.Who do they think they are claiming Southgate wasn't good enough for them??In my experience, generally it's an English football fan and media thing that they are the best and all that ever stops them winning everything and taking up their rightful place is not having the right manager.

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[Since452]

Roberto Martinez will get it. His agent is a hypnosis expert.

[CockneyRebel]

I think his Leicester experience will have scared him off working in England again :greengrinChelsea?

[Renfrew_Hibby]

I wasn’t aware of that

He was having a right hissy fit at full time. While Pickford and Co were blubbering away he was busy kicking lumps out of kit bags and the likes.
Guys a bell end and has already got a bit of a reputation for goading opposition fans in La Liga.
Needs brought down a peg or two methinks.

[EdinMike]

He was having a right hissy fit at full time. While Pickford and Co were blubbering away he was busy kicking lumps out of kit bags and the likes.
Guys a bell end and has already got a bit of a reputation for goading opposition fans in La Liga.
Needs brought down a peg or two methinks.

Wonder how he’ll manage now that Mbappe will be the centre of attention at Real

[McD]

He was having a right hissy fit at full time. While Pickford and Co were blubbering away he was busy kicking lumps out of kit bags and the likes.
Guys a bell end and has already got a bit of a reputation for goading opposition fans in La Liga.
Needs brought down a peg or two methinks.



Both goals he scored he seemed more interested in acting up to the fans (and opposition bench) than celebrate his goals.


Also, in the final, he was standing waiting for a Spanish throw in. He turned and waved his hand at a team mate 10 yards away to mark the Spaniard 3 yards from himself (whilst Bellingham wasn’t marking anyone), then threw his arms up in the air tantrum style because the throw in then went to that Spanish player. He could and should have been the one to close them down, but wasn’t interested and then stropped at his mate

[Lago]

Chelsea?Wrong Potter, think Harry 🤔

[ekhibee]

I think Carsley must be in with a good shout for the England job, he's done well with the Under-21's. It certainly didn't do Spain any harm, going in house.

[Posh Swanny]

Post 66, he is far and away the best manager England have ever had. Didn't even qualify for a tournament for a whole decade from 72 - 82. They look back at Bobby Robson and Venables as heroes - both of them scraped to semi finals with a load of draws. Robson even lost 3 out of three in Euro 88 and had them bottom of the group. Erikkson never got past quarters with an unbelievable team, Capello - disaster, Steve McLaren even worse.Who do they think they are claiming Southgate wasn't good enough for them??

A lot is down to the luck of the draw though. Erikkson lost to the best Brazil side in years and two penalty shoot outs to a top Portugal side. Erikkson’s England team would have walked through the draws Southgate’s team landed in 18, 21 and 24.

[MWHIBBIES]

A lot is down to the luck of the draw though. Erikkson lost to the best Brazil side in years and two penalty shoot outs to a top Portugal side. Erikkson’s England team would have walked through the draws Southgate’s team landed in 18, 21 and 24.

Sven lost to a Brazil side that barely qualified and was considered miles worse than 94 and 98.

[Pagan Hibernia]

A lot is down to the luck of the draw though. Erikkson lost to the best Brazil side in years and two penalty shoot outs to a top Portugal side. Erikkson’s England team would have walked through the draws Southgate’s team landed in 18, 21 and 24.Not necessarily. In those tournaments Sven's teams drew with Sweden a couple of times, and with Nigeria, and huffed and puffed their way to wins against Paraguay, Trinidad, and Ecuador. It was anything but impressive (apart from a couple of Rooney inspired wins in Euro 2004.) They also lost to Northern Ireland!And England fans hated Svens tactics and defensive substitutions

[Haymaker]

Sven lost to a Brazil side that barely qualified and was considered miles worse than 94 and 98.Ended alright for them though...

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[Scouse Hibee]

Chelsea?

Whoosh 😀

[neil7908]

100% good guy and put together a good team. Hounded out by their ****ty entitled media.

Agreed. England have a talented squad but similar problems to Scotland imo (albeit at a much higher level).

The quality they have is inconsistent - some genuine world class talent in attack undone by Tripper playing LB for most of the tournament, average CBs and issues at CDM.

I also think that a lot of these players are used to being surrounded by foreign players who are generally still much more technically proficient. So much of what has made the EPL great has been its success in getting talent from across Europe. Strip that away and there is too little technical ability.

[Yorkshire HFC]

Agreed. England have a talented squad but similar problems to Scotland imo (albeit at a much higher level).The quality they have is inconsistent - some genuine world class talent in attack undone by Tripper playing LB for most of the tournament, average CBs and issues at CDM.I also think that a lot of these players are used to being surrounded by foreign players who are generally still much more technically proficient. So much of what has made the EPL great has been its success in getting talent from across Europe. Strip that away and there is too little technical ability.I'd guess it's been a great 8 years to be an England fan - they've had great tournaments and he's given them some great nights. They have forgotten what it's like to not qualify or to not get out of the group stages.And he's done it with players that aren't as good as the ones Robson, Venables, Hoddle, Errikson etc. had. He's never had a Lineaker, Barnes and Butcher or a Shearer, Sherringham and Gascoigne - or a Rooney, Owen and Beckham etc. He's raised expectations - ofcourse they'll get a top name to replace him (at £5m a year ofcourse they will) but the requirement now is that they must win the World Cup - anything else will be seen as a failure - which is crazy.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Southgate sounded an absolute dour bore with the strangest accent and his rather drab but very functional team seemed to be a reflection of his narrow view of modern football.

Did England have some players missing as there were certainly no world class players on show from what some Scottish fans seem to think is the "best squad in the world". Mind boggling.

Spain for example were missing their whole midfield in Gavi, Pedri and latterly Rodri yet their reserves still controlled 80% of the game.

It won't matter who the next manager is as they can't get around the fact that technically English players don't have that first touch or speed of thought of Spanish, French or South American players and their engrained self entitlement of the next generation amplified by the gifted but petulant Bellingham dooms them to role of perennial losers.

Strangely a significant section of their more knowledgeable and impressive fan base recognises this but get blown overboard by hype, noise and pent up desperation of a country failing to come to terms with the reality of modern winning football.

[MWHIBBIES]

Southgate sounded an absolute dour bore with the strangest accent and his rather drab but very functional team seemed to be a reflection of his narrow view of modern football.

Did England have some players missing as there were certainly no world class players on show from what some Scottish fans seem to think is the "best squad in the world". Mind boggling.

Spain for example were missing their whole midfield in Gavi, Pedri and latterly Rodri yet their reserves still controlled 80% of the game.



He didn't play well but Kane is certainly world class. Easily a top 5 striker, just off a brilliant individual season with Bayern

England don't have the best squad, but it's very, very good.

[Gus]

He was having a right hissy fit at full time. While Pickford and Co were blubbering away he was busy kicking lumps out of kit bags and the likes.Guys a bell end and has already got a bit of a reputation for goading opposition fans in La Liga.Needs brought down a peg or two methinks.I like his arrogrance and fair play to him for not taking the route to the EPL. Guy is a winner and clearly was frustrated as he didn't have a good tournament by the high standards he has set himself.IMO he was lucky not to get hooked a couple of games but then you see his overhead kickInteresting to see how he gets on in his 2nd season at RealWinding up opposition fans.....good I say, I love that. He owes them nothing. I do get the impression he can give it but doesn't take it as well. Only 21 though and achieved more than alot of players in a lifetimeI wish Scotland players had shown some fight and passion in any of their games

[lyonhibs]

Hopefully they employ an absolute ********. Southgate was far too likeable for me.

[LNHibs]

Likable guy done a decent job but don't think an international manager has had an easier run of major tournament games. WC2018 Tunisia, Panama, Belgium ( Who won Group), Columbia, Sweden, CroatiaEUR21 Croatia, Scotland, Czech, Germany, Ukraine, Denmark, Italy (all games bar one at Wembley)WC22 Iran Wales USA Senegal FranceEUR24 Serbia, Denmark, Slovenia, Slovakia, Switzerland, Netherlands, SpainWith the players they have and also the players coming through, a good manager could see them dominate for a decade. Heres hoping Lampard gets the job

[hibsbollah]

Chelsea?

Sorry, i was being too obscure there.
Levein will always be Potter to me. Just a wee joke :greengrin

[BILLYHIBS]

On the radio this morning they said Southgate passed his resignation letter to the FA, they passed it right back to him, he then passed it sideways to his agent who passed it back to Pickford.

Ha Ha

Saw that clip of Walker taking a throw in outside the Spanish box back to Pickford also remember a corner back to Pickford and a free kick just inside the opposition half back to Pickford boring or what ?

Deserved to win hee haw

Took ball retention a step too far

Especially the players at their disposal

[McD]

I'd guess it's been a great 8 years to be an England fan - they've had great tournaments and he's given them some great nights. They have forgotten what it's like to not qualify or to not get out of the group stages.And he's done it with players that aren't as good as the ones Robson, Venables, Hoddle, Errikson etc. had. He's never had a Lineaker, Barnes and Butcher or a Shearer, Sherringham and Gascoigne - or a Rooney, Owen and Beckham etc. He's raised expectations - ofcourse they'll get a top name to replace him (at £5m a year ofcourse they will) but the requirement now is that they must win the World Cup - anything else will be seen as a failure - which is crazy.




Hmmm, not so sure. He has had:

Kane - England’s record goal scorer
Foden, Walker, stones, grealish - most of whom have won 6? Premier league titles, champions league, world club cup
Alexander-Arnold - won every club trophy
Bellingham - la Liga and champions league winner

Plus, a whole raft of players playing for Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City, arsenal, Chelsea, including players like Saka, Palmer, rice,

Plenty talent there

[theonlywayisup]

https://careers.thefa.com/jobs/vacancy/england-mens-senior-team-head-coach-nfcsgp0377-national-football-centre-st-georges-park/2137/description/

Anyone fancy applying?

THE ROLE

Lead and develop the England senior men's team to win a major tournament and be consistently ranked as one of the top teams in the world.Provide inspiring leadership to a world class, multi-disciplinary technical team based at St. George's Park.Develop and maintain strong relationships with clubs who employ English qualified players.

[jacomo]

They should go for a homegrown manager, Lee Johnson is available.


Great shout. Lee just gets it!