The National

[Pretty Boy]

Who the hell thought that front page was a good idea?

https://x.com/ScotNational/status/1812015855384793095?t=govF37-IarDvLPgnVgjeBw&s=19

It's xenophobic, classist drivel. The absolute worst of punch down humour and exactly the kind of thing the English media would rightly be called out for. It's nothing to do with being 'easily offended' or a 'snowflake'; it's just an absolute shocker from them.

It's amazing that was passed up the chain through various decision makers and no one thought to pull it. It's interesting to note condemnation seems to be coming from across the spectrum of opinion when it comes to the constitutional question.

No matter your view on independence surely we all want a Scotland that is better than this? It's so lacking in self awareness and so tasteless it's unreal.

[grunt]

Who the hell thought that front page was a good idea?
It's really disappointing.

[pollution]

Who the hell thought that front page was a good idea?

https://x.com/ScotNational/status/1812015855384793095?t=govF37-IarDvLPgnVgjeBw&s=19

It's xenophobic, classist drivel. The absolute worst of punch down humour and exactly the kind of thing the English media would rightly be called out for. It's nothing to do with being 'easily offended' or a 'snowflake'; it's just an absolute shocker from them.

It's amazing that was passed up the chain through various decision makers and no one thought to pull it. It's interesting to note condemnation seems to be coming from across the spectrum of opinion when it comes to the constitutional question.

No matter your view on independence surely we all want a Scotland that is better than this? It's so lacking in self awareness and so tasteless it's unreal.

Ignore it, it's tongue in cheek humour

[Stairway 2 7]

Ignore it, it's tongue in cheek humour

It's not tongue in cheek it's embarrassing from a paper that wants to be taken seriously, makes it look as credible as the Beano. They have some good writers, need a new editor by the looks of it

[jamie_1875]

This is funny.

https://x.com/paddypower/status/1811786075985027272?t=vZxd5OvOyUkohACblWaYIA&s=19

The National front page is embarrassing, it's does the Independent movement no favours. I mean no Scots ever go to Spain and drink beer and have a fried breakfast ever. Anyone ever seen the amount of Rangers and Celtic tops in Benidorm....

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Ignore it, it's tongue in cheek humour


It's toe curlingly niave.

[Ozyhibby]

It’s not even funny or clever.


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[Scouse Hibee]

Ignore it, it's tongue in cheek humour

Is it really?

[Bishop Hibee]

Stupid blurb. Scottish tourists in Spain do everything the English ones are accused of. Editorial team not doing their job.

[Hibrandenburg]

Who the hell thought that front page was a good idea?

https://x.com/ScotNational/status/1812015855384793095?t=govF37-IarDvLPgnVgjeBw&s=19

It's xenophobic, classist drivel. The absolute worst of punch down humour and exactly the kind of thing the English media would rightly be called out for. It's nothing to do with being 'easily offended' or a 'snowflake'; it's just an absolute shocker from them.

It's amazing that was passed up the chain through various decision makers and no one thought to pull it. It's interesting to note condemnation seems to be coming from across the spectrum of opinion when it comes to the constitutional question.

No matter your view on independence surely we all want a Scotland that is better than this? It's so lacking in self awareness and so tasteless it's unreal.

Having seen stuff like this aimed at Scots from the Sun and Daily Mail for decades, it doesn't make it any better, we should aim to be better than this.

[Pretty Boy]

Having seen stuff like this aimed at Scots from the Sun and Daily Mail for decades, it doesn't make it any better, we should aim to be better than this.

I think that is what has irked me the most about it.

We have been on the receiving end of that kind of puerile crap for years, the aim should be to rise above it.

[AgentDaleCooper]

It looks like they've madeca decision to go full tabloid, which does their credibility no end of harm, even if it means appealing to some eejits

[Keith_M]

Does anybody actually read that paper?

[Jones28]

What the **** is that?!

[weecounty hibby]

No one here will be surprised that my politics lean heavily towards independence but I have never and will never buy the National. It is every bit as bad as the Sun, Record, Mail etc just a different side of the debate. The front page is a disgrace and I hope those condemning it will also reflect on how they reacted when Scottish politicians were being hung in cartoons

[One Day Soon]

No one here will be surprised that my politics lean heavily towards independence but I have never and will never buy the National. It is every bit as bad as the Sun, Record, Mail etc just a different side of the debate. The front page is a disgrace and I hope those condemning it will also reflect on how they reacted when Scottish politicians were being hung in cartoons

Spot on.

[Keith_M]

No one here will be surprised that my politics lean heavily towards independence but I have never and will never buy the National. It is every bit as bad as the Sun, Record, Mail etc just a different side of the debate. The front page is a disgrace and I hope those condemning it will also reflect on how they reacted when Scottish politicians were being hung in cartoons



:top marks

[marinello59]

Does anybody actually read that paper?

The Daily Mail for Indy supporters. I had high hopes for it and subscribed during its initial months. If civic nationalism is a thing it doesn’t exist on their pages, nothing but good old fashioned Nationalism there. Best ignored.

[JimBHibees]

The Daily Mail for Indy supporters. I had high hopes for it and subscribed during its initial months. If civic nationalism is a thing it doesn’t exist on their pages, nothing but good old fashioned Nationalism there. Best ignored.

Comparing it to the mail is a shocker

[JimBHibees]

It’s not even funny or clever.


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Yep not funny at all

[marinello59]

Comparing it to the mail is a shocker

Nope, I will stand by that. Two dreadful newspapers.

[grunt]

The National apologises:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSidp5vXgAAWbPY?format=png&name=small

[JimBHibees]

Nope, I will stand by that. Two dreadful newspapers.

One that supported fascism in the 30s and openly supports racism and stereo types immigrants negatively over and over again. Whether in your view they are both dreadful the moral compass of both areimo not the same.

[Ozyhibby]

The National apologises:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSidp5vXgAAWbPY?format=png&name=small

Fair play. It was a terrible front page.


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[Pretty Boy]

The National apologises:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSidp5vXgAAWbPY?format=png&name=small

Good.

It's a fair apology that actually acknowledges their own error rather than straying into 'we apologise if anyone was offended' territory.

[Keith_M]

Fair play. It was a terrible front page.


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Good.

It's a fair apology that actually acknowledges their own error rather than straying into 'we apologise if anyone was offended' territory.


Agreed, it's quite refreshing to see somebody actually admit they got it wrong.

[Hibrandenburg]

Nope, I will stand by that. Two dreadful newspapers.

Yes, they're both dreadful in the same way that Pele and Benny Brazil were good footballers.

[marinello59]

One that supported fascism in the 30s and openly supports racism and stereo types immigrants negatively over and over again. Whether in your view they are both dreadful the moral compass of both areimo not the same.

I knew you were going to come back with the Mail supporting fascism in the 30s and you didn’t disappoint. :greengrin
Neither newspaper adds anything to the debate, they both concentrate on maximising sales by telling the already converted what they want to hear. Poor journalism with no attempt to inform at all.
Just my opinion though.

[Stairway 2 7]

Both papers are similar that the are not impartial and preach to the converted. You can't trust either as they are more similar to a fanzine than a newspaper. Similarities end there as the mails output is abhorrent and dangerous unlike the national

[Jones28]

The National apologises:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSidp5vXgAAWbPY?format=png&name=small

Can’t argue with that.

[JimBHibees]

I knew you were going to come back with the Mail supporting fascism in the 30s and you didn’t disappoint. :greengrin
Neither newspaper adds anything to the debate, they both concentrate on maximising sales by telling the already converted what they want to hear. Poor journalism with no attempt to inform at all.
Just my opinion though.

Of course you did and that’s what’s makes them different imo. 😄 Never bought the national however it must be poor if it is on the same level as all the other tabloid rags in this country.

[Kato]

I knew you were going to come back with the Mail supporting fascism in the 30s and you didn’t disappoint. :greengrin
Neither newspaper adds anything to the debate, they both concentrate on maximising sales by telling the already converted what they want to hear. Poor journalism with no attempt to inform at all.
Just my opinion though.The Mail supports fascism now.

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[weecounty hibby]

Interesting tweet and storyline from the Times today. A list of SNP exMPs withe the headline FiLTH. Failed in London Try Holyrood. I am yet to see the outpouring of disgust and condemnation. This in no way makes the National any better but just thought I'd point out the hypocrisy

[marinello59]

Interesting tweet and storyline from the Times today. A list of SNP exMPs withe the headline FiLTH. Failed in London Try Holyrood. I am yet to see the outpouring of disgust and condemnation. This in no way makes the National any better but just thought I'd point out the hypocrisy

That is absolutely disgusting if the Times has tweeted that. I don’t do Twitter, do you have a link to the tweet or a screenshot?

[marinello59]

The Mail supports fascism now.

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Hey, I ain’t defending the Mail. My comment was meant in a light hearted way, it’s rare for the merits or otherwise of the Mail to be discussed without its support of Fascism in the 30s getting a mention.
I now expect someone to come back with, ‘So you think Facism is funny do you? ‘:greengrin

[marinello59]

Interesting tweet and storyline from the Times today. A list of SNP exMPs withe the headline FiLTH. Failed in London Try Holyrood. I am yet to see the outpouring of disgust and condemnation. This in no way makes the National any better but just thought I'd point out the hypocrisy


That is absolutely disgusting if the Times has tweeted that. I don’t do Twitter, do you have a link to the tweet or a screenshot?

Found it and geez that is bad. Filth, (Failed in London Try Holyrood) a contrived acronym to try and justify it as well. That's from their Scottish Political editor. I disagree with that papers politics but they usually stay out of the gutter. Standards of debate have fallen badly everywhere over the past few years. Depressing to say the least.

[grunt]

Interesting tweet and storyline from the Times today. A list of SNP exMPs withe the headline FiLTH. Failed in London Try Holyrood. I am yet to see the outpouring of disgust and condemnation. This in no way makes the National any better but just thought I'd point out the hypocrisyThe attached photo includes a former Labour MP
That is absolutely disgusting if the Times has tweeted that. I don’t do Twitter, do you have a link to the tweet or a screenshot?https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSmBTGEWAAAb_d5?format=jpg&name=large

[Pretty Boy]

That's really poor from the Times. To think it was once seen (by some) as an indispensable national resource, I suppose it's a symptom of the social media age.

Politics, political debate and political journalism really is in the sewer right now. Clickbait headlines and shock jock content; it's pitiful.

[Kato]

That's really poor from the Times. To think it was once seen (by some) as an indispensable national resource, I suppose it's a symptom of the social media age.

Politics, political debate and political journalism really is in the sewer right now. Clickbait headlines and shock jock content; it's pitiful.There's also the fact that a lot, most, of that media chattirati live and operate in lavish but miniscule London bubble. All the hot flushes, scandals, boosterism and dinner party intrigues of the last 14 years don't matter at all now. Every once in while they'll forget themselves and reveal their utter disregard of those outwith the bubble. A broadbrush look at their output during the last govt seemed to be pushing people towards some sort of inefable patriotism, while none of them are. (Of course they might see patriotism as owning flags, brown-nosing everyone above them in the social order they've invented and cheering over upward notches on a market graph, but that's them. )

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