Old Firm allocation next season at ER

[K-Zazu]

Does anyone know if both Rangers and Celtic are getting their allocations cut at Easter Road next season? Or is it just the Huns?

[SHODAN]

Wonder if they're going to hope we've all forgotten and give Rangers the full stand.

[Hibernian Verse]

If we had enough fans bothered about the club enough to go along then this thread wouldn't exist.

Before the usual very niche and personal valid excuses come out, Hearts fans manage it.

[superfurryhibby]

If we had enough fans bothered about the club enough to go along then this thread wouldn't exist.

Before the usual very niche and personal valid excuses come out, Hearts fans manage it.

If the club had been well managed and we had a passable football team, that might help........ just a bit?

I am guessing it will be same as always, we need the money etc.

[Pretty Boy]

If we had enough fans bothered about the club enough to go along then this thread wouldn't exist.

Before the usual very niche and personal valid excuses come out, Hearts fans manage it.

There have been more Hibs fans regularly going to games in the (non covid) seasons post 2016 than there has been since the early 1970s. Maybe the uncomfortable truth is that we just don't have as big a core support as some want to believe.

[we are hibs]

If we had enough fans bothered about the club enough to go along then this thread wouldn't exist.

Before the usual very niche and personal valid excuses come out, Hearts fans manage it.It's all the fans fault [emoji23]

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[HUTCHYHIBBY]

If we had enough fans bothered about the club enough to go along then this thread wouldn't exist.

Before the usual very niche and personal valid excuses come out, Hearts fans manage it.

According to Livescore they didn't get over 18.2k at home v The Old Firm in any game last season despite having 7k on a waiting list and sitting in 3rd for most of the season.

[Keith_M]

If we had enough fans bothered about the club enough to go along then this thread wouldn't exist.

Before the usual very niche and personal valid excuses come out, Hearts fans manage it.


If the visiting fans were singing about being up to their knees in N*gg*r blood, this wouldn't even be a topic for discussion, they would be banned amid a public outrage... regardless of the effect it had on the club financially.

Maybe we need to have a different approach to the SMSM, the Rangers, the SPFL and the SFA and treat all disgusting forms of discrimination with equal levels of fervour.

[Carheenlea]

There have been more Hibs fans regularly going to games in the (non covid) seasons post 2016 than there has been since the early 1970s. Maybe the uncomfortable truth is that we just don't have as big a core support as some want to believe.

Which in turn, makes the suggestion of cutting away allocations a preposterous one.

[7Hero]

Ben is probably regretting his emotional response now at the AGM where he sad he would reduce allocation. Not a good move financially, with few marquee signings to excite new ST sales and BTG not selling as well as they hoped well need all the extra dough form away fans we can get.

[Smartie]

Which in turn, makes the suggestion of cutting away allocations a preposterous one.

The home crowds at games against Rangers and Celtic really aren’t good though and I think the club are entitled to ask themselves why, and whether or not we can do something about it.

With not being able to get into Celtic Park for the past few seasons, Easter Road has been about as close a place as they’ve been able to get to congregate somewhere with lots of green seats and have a proper “sash bash”, a proper act of defiance about whatever it is they’re being defiant about.

[PHeffernan]

Ben is probably regretting his emotional response now at the AGM where he sad he would reduce allocation. Not a good move financially, with few marquee signings to excite new ST sales and BTG not selling as well as they hoped well need all the extra dough form away fans we can get.

Importantly and very purposefully Hibs didn't say what the ticket reduction numbers to OF supporters at Easter Road would be.
Hopefully they just make it a token amount, say the 1st 3 rows with a cover chucked ower the seats to keep the OF supporters back from the pitch which would also help the stewards. Anything more would be insane for a club trying to get closer to the revenues of it's 2 rivals Hearts and Aberdeen.

[PHeffernan]

The home crowds at games against Rangers and Celtic really aren’t good though and I think the club are entitled to ask themselves why, and whether or not we can do something about it.

With not being able to get into Celtic Park for the past few seasons, Easter Road has been about as close a place as they’ve been able to get to congregate somewhere with lots of green seats and have a proper “sash bash”, a proper act of defiance about whatever it is they’re being defiant about.

Good point which I hadn't thought about before

[Hibernian Verse]

If the visiting fans were singing about being up to their knees in N*gg*r blood, this wouldn't even be a topic for discussion, they would be banned amid a public outrage... regardless of the effect it had on the club financially.

Maybe we need to have a different approach to the SMSM, the Rangers, the SPFL and the SFA and treat all disgusting forms of discrimination with equal levels of fervour.

Hibs are complicit, voted against strict liability. Plus we'd have to start by banning Ben's pals in Block7.

[lucky]

Until we can sell out our own end we should not be reducing their allocation. Yes they are unpleasant but reducing their allocation is economic madness of Truss proportions

[PHeffernan]

P.S. Aberdeen's season ticket numbers are closing in on Hibs and a significant reduction in OF supporter ticket allocation at Easter Road could also risk seeing Aberdeen moving ahead of us in home attendance numbers. That would see Hibs with the 5th highest turnover, 5th highest budget, 5th highest home support and attendances. All leading to us finishing 5th. Natural order if we can overcome Kilmarnock.
Our stay away fans need to get back on the job and become supporters again.

[Bostonhibby]

According to Livescore they didn't get over 18.2k at home v The Old Firm in any game last season despite having 7k on a waiting list and sitting in 3rd for most of the season.A very inconvenient truth[emoji106]

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[SickBoy32]

P.S. Aberdeen's season ticket numbers are closing in on Hibs and a significant reduction in OF supporter ticket allocation at Easter Road could also see Aberdeen moving ahead of us in home attendance numbers both of which would be a sad indictment that would have Hibs with the 5th highest turnover, 5th highest budget, 5th highest home support and attendances. In effect 5th in every way. Natural order.

Funny way of saying that, even when the Sheep were flying (relatively), finishing 3rd getting Euro group stages they still sold less season tickets than a much maligned Hibs team 😂

Sheep don’t have the size of core support that we do. Let’s not wrongly insinuate that Hibs rely on OF away supports to have bigger crowds than Aberdeen.

Unusual way to finish off the post too.

Get the Huns binned from ER 👍

[DH1875]

P.S. Aberdeen's season ticket numbers are closing in on Hibs and a significant reduction in OF supporter ticket allocation at Easter Road could also risk seeing Aberdeen moving ahead of us in home attendance numbers. That would see Hibs with the 5th highest turnover, 5th highest budget, 5th highest home support and attendances. All leading to us finishing 5th. Natural order if we can overcome Kilmarnock.
Our stay away fans need to get back on the job and become supporters again.

Do Aberdeen not do free season tickets for under 12s if bought with an adult season ticket? Would bump up the numbers without actually making any money.

[CentreLine]

According to Livescore they didn't get over 18.2k at home v The Old Firm in any game last season despite having 7k on a waiting list and sitting in 3rd for most of the season.

To be fair, that’s pretty much capacity at tiny 😂

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

To be fair, that’s pretty much capacity at tiny 😂

This may well be true right enough. 🤭

[PHeffernan]

Do Aberdeen not do free season tickets for under 12s if bought with an adult season ticket? Would bump up the numbers without actually making any money.

Fair point. A total revenue from season tickets minus the expenses for offering free credit etc is the most important figure.
However, Hibs and Aberdeen are American owned so we are in an era of constant spin and zero transparency so everything we are told needs to taken with a pinch of salt.

The current Hibs regime spin with season tickets is to shout about the numbers if they are good and say nothing if they are not.
Last season they told us rock all which suggests we sold probably a touch over 11,000 which is your hardcore Hibees who bought ST's during covid to support our club.

On June 12th, last year, Aberdeen where crowing about having sold 10,000 season tickets for the 1st time and they sold a little over 500 more before the season started. That broadly tied in with the two clubs subsequent average home attendences with ours 750 higher than theirs. Ours were down 4% on the previous season and theirs were up 3%. I can see both clubs selling broadly the same this summer.

[MWHIBBIES]

Until we can sell out our own end we should not be reducing their allocation. Yes they are unpleasant but reducing their allocation is economic madness of Truss proportions

So you think discrimination and bigotry are acceptable for a bit of money?

[Largshibby]

So you think discrimination and bigotry are acceptable for a bit of money?

Yes. Hibs are a business and need to maximise income like any business to improve going forward. I don’t like them any more than you but the fact is income from away support could be the difference between a good signing or not. When we sell out our own support we can be picky about the number of away fans.

[Scotty Leither]

We sold nearly 14.5k season tickets the season after we won the cup. The night we beat Dun Utd on a Friday night at ER when McGinn came on as a sub and scored there was 20k there.

The support is there at Easter Road if we can get a team on the park that plays on the front foot and wins its share of derbies and bigger games, something we’ve summarily failed to do in recent seasons.

[Paul1642]

So you think discrimination and bigotry are acceptable for a bit of money?

No but it should be the SFA at the forefront of this, not Hibs.

Should the SFA fail to take action (I’ll bet my mortgage on that being the case) then it needs to be a group of clubs, preferably incisions Hibs, Aberdeen and Hearts. If it’s just us alone we lose out whilst nothing changes.

I appreciate that these things need to start somewhere and in an ideal world would ban both the OF form ER until they learn not to be ****bags but I don’t want to see Hibs lose out over out opponents.

[Lago]

There have been more Hibs fans regularly going to games in the (non covid) seasons post 2016 than there has been since the early 1970s. Maybe the uncomfortable truth is that we just don't have as big a core support as some want to believe.
Unfortunately that's the truth, I'm a fan from early 1970s on and gates of 8000 to 8500 were common at times.

[Chorley Hibee]

Yes. Hibs are a business and need to maximise income like any business to improve going forward. I don’t like them any more than you but the fact is income from away support could be the difference between a good signing or not. When we sell out our own support we can be picky about the number of away fans.

So where does it end?

Racism, violence, all sorts of behaviour acceptable as long as there is money involved?

The difference is, neither of the above would be accepted by the club, the authorities, the media, or our support.

Unfortunately, our club, the authorities, the media, and now some of our support, think sectarianism isn't really an issue, or that's it not of similar importance.

Waiting on the SFA dealing with it is no excuse. Whilst it's happening inside Easter Road, then it's the responsibility of our club to deal with it.

Always waiting on someone else making the first move will result in nothing changing.

[Nicho87]

I’d give them both as few as possible

My kids reaching a point where they will be coming a long soon

Don’t want them subjected to their bile

[blackpoolhibs]

If we give them a full stand and continue to allow that bile, then we are condoning it.

[GreenCastle]

Hibs v Hearts is the main Easter Road game every season.

The old firm games are just not as attractive as they maybe once were to some. Crowds show this and not just the face we usually lose these games.

Much prefer games against Aberdeen and others.

Would happily have a ST without the old firm included.

[Chorley Hibee]

If we give them a full stand and continue to allow that bile, then we are condoning it.

Correct.

[MWHIBBIES]

Yes. Hibs are a business and need to maximise income like any business to improve going forward. I don’t like them any more than you but the fact is income from away support could be the difference between a good signing or not. When we sell out our own support we can be picky about the number of away fans.

Very worrying attitude. You think racism, sectarianism, homophobia etc are okay as long as you pay 30 quid?

I'm so glad that isn't the majority opinion among our support, and human beings in general. Vile stuff.

[.Sean.]

Hibs will look very very stupid if they back track on this

Get them both drastically cut. **** the pair of them

[Largshibby]

So where does it end?

Racism, violence, all sorts of behaviour acceptable as long as there is money involved?

The difference is, neither of the above would be accepted by the club, the authorities, the media, or our support.

Unfortunately, our club, the authorities, the media, and now some of our support, think sectarianism isn't really an issue, or that's it not of similar importance.

Waiting on the SFA dealing with it is no excuse. Whilst it's happening inside Easter Road, then it's the responsibility of our club to deal with it.

Always waiting on someone else making the first move will result in nothing changing.

I would imagine there are plenty of Hibs supporters who have said or done something that others find offensive. Would you ban all of them as well? As someone else said it is up to the football authorities to uphold the moral high ground and punish clubs with points deductions for fan behaviour. But since we both know where this would be applied most it will never happen. So in the meantime we just need to make more noise ourselves, support the team and drown these clowns out.

[McD]

No but it should be the SFA at the forefront of this, not Hibs.

Should the SFA fail to take action (I’ll bet my mortgage on that being the case) then it needs to be a group of clubs, preferably incisions Hibs, Aberdeen and Hearts. If it’s just us alone we lose out whilst nothing changes.

I appreciate that these things need to start somewhere and in an ideal world would ban both the OF form ER until they learn not to be ****bags but I don’t want to see Hibs lose out over out opponents.


Didn’t hearts cut both their allocations last season?

[Largshibby]

Very worrying attitude. You think racism, sectarianism, homophobia etc are okay as long as you pay 30 quid?

I'm so glad that isn't the majority opinion among our support, and human beings in general. Vile stuff.

Well you’ve added racism and homophobia to the original post. How about adding attitude towards drink driving or do you boo the players in the squad who have that particular conviction on their record. Congratulations on knowing over half the entire Hibs support so that you can comment on their opinions by the way.

[blackpoolhibs]

I would imagine there are plenty of Hibs supporters who have said or done something that others find offensive. Would you ban all of them as well? As someone else said it is up to the football authorities to uphold the moral high ground and punish clubs with points deductions for fan behaviour. But since we both know where this would be applied most it will never happen. So in the meantime we just need to make more noise ourselves, support the team and drown these clowns out.

I've personally done things i'm not proud of over the years, but i have learnt from it either through punishment or growing up.

I'f i was doing some of the things i have done at Hibs now that i did when younger, i'd expect to be banned.

[MWHIBBIES]

Well you’ve added racism and homophobia to the original post. How about adding attitude towards drink driving or do you boo the players in the squad who have that particular conviction on their record. Congratulations on knowing over half the entire Hibs support so that you can comment on their opinions by the way.

Do you not think anti-Irish racism is racism? I mean, they don't hate the Spanish and Portuguese Catholics that play for them.

I said discrimination in my first post. That includes Racism. So no, I added nothing.

WTF does drink driving have to do with anything? Nonsense comparison.

[marinello59]

Do you not think anti-Irish racism is racism? I mean, they don't hate the Spanish and Portuguese Catholics that play for them.

I said discrimination in my first post. That includes Racism. So no, I added nothing.

WTF does drink driving have to do with anything? Nonsense comparison.

The bile the Rangers fans spout is racism and should be called out as that. Zero tolerance, cut their allocation and if they keep doing it cut their allocation more.

[Largshibby]

Do you not think anti-Irish racism is racism? I mean, they don't hate the Spanish and Portuguese Catholics that play for them.

I said discrimination in my first post. That includes Racism. So no, I added nothing.

WTF does drink driving have to do with anything? Nonsense comparison.
I find your bad language offensive. I think Hibs should ban you.

[Paul1642]

I find your bad language offensive. I think Hibs should ban you.

It’s not just offensive. The crap the old film song about would be illegal and totally unacceptable anywhere else in society (outright certain areas on the west coast)

[MWHIBBIES]

I find your bad language offensive. I think Hibs should ban you.

You are clearly on the windup.

[Mrimbetween]

According to Livescore they didn't get over 18.2k at home v The Old Firm in any game last season despite having 7k on a waiting list and sitting in 3rd for most of the season.

We would all love to slash the OF allocation and that lot have by thousands .They have a ticket exchange and sold all the ST they could thats what we all wany and it can be done with winning team on the park

[Largshibby]

You are clearly on the windup.

You’re right I’ll give you that one. My point regarding drink driving is that people are selective about what offends them. Many things are offensive and against the law but people turn a blind eye.

[MWHIBBIES]

You’re right I’ll give you that one. My point regarding drink driving is that people are selective about what offends them. Many things are offensive and against the law but people turn a blind eye.

Who turned a blind eye? Those players were punished and have not repeated.

4k huns come to ER twice a season for decades and sing illegal songs. They face no punishment.

[Largshibby]

Who turned a blind eye? Those players were punished and have not repeated.

4k huns come to ER twice a season for decades and sing illegal songs. They face no punishment.

In that case take your complaint to Police Scotland. Why should Hibs suffer financially for something that others are meant to control?

[MWHIBBIES]

In that case take your complaint to Police Scotland. Why should Hibs suffer financially for something that others are meant to control?

Hibs shouldn't allow bigots into their stadium. Doesn't matter if it costs us money. Some things are more important.

Would you let Tommy Robinson have your spare room for 30 pound a week keep money?

[Largshibby]

Hibs shouldn't allow bigots into their stadium. Doesn't matter if it costs us money. Some things are more important.

Would you let Tommy Robinson have your spare room for 30 pound a week keep money?

Now who’s doing ridiculous comparisons?

[matty_f]

We sold nearly 14.5k season tickets the season after we won the cup. The night we beat Dun Utd on a Friday night at ER when McGinn came on as a sub and scored there was 20k there.

The support is there at Easter Road if we can get a team on the park that plays on the front foot and wins its share of derbies and bigger games, something we’ve summarily failed to do in recent seasons.

Totally agree. The support is there for a team that punches its weight and occasionally punches above it.



As for the bigots, Hibs have to act against them imho. There’s no point in doing Show Racism the Red Card etc. only to say nothing when they start their sectarian crap. I was delighted when Ben Kensell called it out at the AGM, but actions speak louder than words, so we’ll see what happens next.

[CL0762]

Hibs v Hearts is the main Easter Road game every season.

The old firm games are just not as attractive as they maybe once were to some. Crowds show this and not just the face we usually lose these games.

Much prefer games against Aberdeen and others.

Would happily have a ST without the old firm included.

I agree on this.

When I was younger I used to be buzzing when the OF came to town.

Looking forward to seeing if we could go toe to toe with the likes of Larsson, Ferguson, Sutton, Albertz etc.

Even taking away the ***** element of their support, even their teams don’t excite me as a supporter anymore when they come to visit.

Only thing I could compare it to how I felt as a kid was when we drew Aston Villa last season.

[BoomtownHibees]

In that case take your complaint to Police Scotland. Why should Hibs suffer financially for something that others are meant to control?

Hibs are very quick to ban Hibs supporters who do something wrong. The abuse Dhanda got last season as an example, person identified for a one-off offence and banned. But we don’t seem to want to do anything about a stand full of away fans singing and shouting similar season upon season?

[Sioux]

Didn’t hearts cut both their allocations last season?

Yes, but they knew they could sell the seats to their own fans, or at least the majority of the seats.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Who turned a blind eye? Those players were punished and have not repeated.

4k huns come to ER twice a season for decades and sing illegal songs. They face no punishment.

Spot on.

Reduce their allocation and publicly point out why. And cite the examples of ourselves in weeding out the unscrupulous. If one of ours misbehaves, they get dealt with accordingly.

Silence is compliance and if we allow 4,000 in, we condone it.

Reduce it. And if they misbehave, reduce it further. And publicly state why. **** them.

[Frazerbob]

Canny believe we're having this debate again. Can we not just read over the thread from last season to get everyone's opinions. Incidentally, the actual cost of halfling the Rangers support is not a kick in the baws off what we've just received for Henderson.

[McD]

Yes, but they knew they could sell the seats to their own fans, or at least the majority of the seats.



The post I was replying to mentioned that if it’s only us who reduce the PF allocation then nothing changes, I was pointing out that hearts already have, we need to do the same

[Pretty Boy]

The post I was replying to mentioned that if it’s only us who reduce the PF allocation then nothing changes, I was pointing out that hearts already have, we need to do the same

Aberdeen cut their allocation as well.

They used to get an additional space tacked on to the away end but now they only receive the same as everyone else.

[Stokesy's on fire]

It's all the fans fault [emoji23]

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He isn't wrong...if you want the huns locked out fill the the stands with hibs fans..

[Basildon Hibs]

We sold nearly 14.5k season tickets the season after we won the cup. The night we beat Dun Utd on a Friday night at ER when McGinn came on as a sub and scored there was 20k there.

The support is there at Easter Road if we can get a team on the park that plays on the front foot and wins its share of derbies and bigger games, something we’ve summarily failed to do in recent seasons.

Correct. If we only had competent management on and off the field and a good team, we could easily cut/ban Hun tix without blinking an eye.

[McD]

Aberdeen cut their allocation as well.

They used to get an additional space tacked on to the away end but now they only receive the same as everyone else.

Even better, more clubs cutting them back is a good thing

[Keith_M]

So you think discrimination and bigotry are acceptable for a bit of money?


Yes. Hibs are a business and need to maximise income like any business to improve going forward. I don’t like them any more than you but the fact is income from away support could be the difference between a good signing or not. When we sell out our own support we can be picky about the number of away fans.


I honestly can't believe I'm reading this.

Just out of interest, where do you draw the line? How about if they do what some fans down south have done in the past and started singing about gassing Jews, do we then just think of the income?

[MWHIBBIES]

He isn't wrong...if you want the huns locked out fill the the stands with hibs fans..

Why has this argument become discrimination Vs money. Anyone who thinks we must be selling out our full allocation before taking a stand against the Huns sectarianism and racism is as bad as they are imo.

You do not need a reason to ban bigots other than them being bigots.

[whiskyhibby]

I’d give them both as few as possible

My kids reaching a point where they will be coming a long soon

Don’t want them subjected to their bile


Quite simply the Huns allocation should be zero for all games this season, until they show they can behave in a reasonable manner

[Eyrie]

Quite simply the Huns allocation should be zero for all games this season, until they show they can behave in a reasonable manner

That won't be for next season then, it'll be a permanent ban.

I'm in favour.

[tonyrougier123]

I’d gladly see rangers banned from Easter road. Scourge on Scottish football that mob!
Sell the tickets at a reduced family event friendly price to fill the away end. School giveaways, employ actors to do the conga in the away stand isles, anything but union bears and huns in general!

[Mrimbetween]

Quite simply the Huns allocation should be zero for all games this season, until they show they can behave in a reasonable manner If that was the case our allocation at Tyny would be zero.. Be careful for what you wish for

[Largshibby]

If we give them a full stand and continue to allow that bile, then we are condoning it.

No we’re not. That’s like saying if you don’t speak out against something then you must support it. Complete nonsense.

[whiskyhibby]

If that was the case our allocation at Tyny would be zero.. Be careful for what you wish for


That’s up to Hearts and I’m sure we would reciprocate, but at the moment Both Edinburgh clubs are happy to have away games for the derby

we are specifically talking about the OF and more so the Huns, happy if they never had another allocation at ER, we need to make a stand against their moronic fans. I would happily buy an away stand ticket at these games and give it to local groups or charities

Time for positive action where that mob are concerned

[blackpoolhibs]

No we’re not. That’s like saying if you don’t speak out against something then you must support it. Complete nonsense.

Well that's me told then. :tee hee:

[gbhibby]

This has been going on since I started watching Hibs in the 60s. The people running the game in Scotland will do nothing about the situation ie bigotry, as it is not in their interests to do anything about it.If we give The Rangers only half the numbers of tickets for two games the costs of this equates to less than 1% of our turnover.

[PHeffernan]

That’s up to Hearts and I’m sure we would reciprocate, but at the moment Both Edinburgh clubs are happy to have away games for the derby

we are specifically talking about the OF and more so the Huns, happy if they never had another allocation at ER, we need to make a stand against their moronic fans. I would happily buy an away stand ticket at these games and give it to local groups or charities

Time for positive action where that mob are concerned

Stunning hypocrisy right there.
You said you want hun supporters banned from ER until they can behave so you surely want Hibs fans banned from Tincastle until they can behave, but no you go into shilly shally snake mode when faced with that.

Do you want fans banned for being unable to behave or not?

Remember in Hibs statement after the Rangers game they were also frustrated and angered by our own supporters unacceptable behaviour.

"Hibs will be reducing the away allocation at Easter Road moving forward, alongside taking further actions."
No wriggle room in that statement from Hibs other than the numbers.
It will be interesting to see exactly what the allocation reductions are, starting with Celtic, which is the first game that will be affected.
It will also be interesting to see what the further actions consist of.
Interesting times.

[TheGog]

If we had enough fans bothered about the club enough to go along then this thread wouldn't exist.

Before the usual very niche and personal valid excuses come out, Hearts fans manage it.
THIS!!!

One thing that’s always bugged me, is when the chips are down. They fill out that ***** hole. We don’t, it’s the same when we are flying high and they are murder . We never put them to sword, but when they are murder they always cuff us

[Since90+2]

THIS!!!

One thing that’s always bugged me, is when the chips are down. They fill out that ***** hole. We don’t, it’s the same when we are flying high and they are murder . We never put them to sword, but when they are murder they always cuff us

Must hurt us winning both major cups more recently than yous eh?

Pleasing.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Where does the allocation cutting end though?

Are we going to cut Hearts allocation as well for singing bigoted songs? They might not be as bad as the Huns but is ‘mild’ bigotry ok as long as it’s your rivals?

[MWHIBBIES]

Where does the allocation cutting end though?

Are we going to cut Hearts allocation as well for singing bigoted songs? They might not be as bad as the Huns but is ‘mild’ bigotry ok as long as it’s your rivals?

Hearts is a small minority. Rangers is a vast majority. I also do believe Budge dislikes it and would take action. Rangers not only do nothing, but encourage it with their orange kits and union jackpots.

[MWHIBBIES]

If that was the case our allocation at Tyny would be zero.. Be careful for what you wish for

When was that last time the entire Hibs support misbehaved at Tynie?

It's the actions of a handful of fuds that both clubs work hard to root out.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Hearts is a small minority. Rangers is a vast majority. I also do believe Budge dislikes it and would take action. Rangers not only do nothing, but encourage it with their orange kits and union jackpots.

I’m not buying it’s a small minority. Near enough the full stand were singing their version of ‘hullo, hullo’ at the last ER derby including the line ‘up to our knees in fenian blood’.

[KeithTheHibby]

THIS!!!

One thing that’s always bugged me, is when the chips are down. They fill out that ***** hole. We don’t, it’s the same when we are flying high and they are murder . We never put them to sword, but when they are murder they always cuff us

Nonsense. Their crowds have been decent since they came back up and they’ve also finished 3rd, 4th and 3rd again with group stages of Europe into the bargain. Look back beyond then and you’ll see their crowds ain’t so special.

[DH1875]

Hearts is a small minority. Rangers is a vast majority. I also do believe Budge dislikes it and would take action. Rangers not only do nothing, but encourage it with their orange kits and union jackpots.

What are union jackpots?

[linlithgowhibbie]

What are union jackpots?

Misspelt "Crackpots?":thumbsup:

[MWHIBBIES]

What are union jackpots?

Their half time draw is called the union jackpot.

[nonshinyfinish]

Their half time draw is called the union jackpot.

Is it on a boat? If not, shouldn't it be called the union flagpot?

[gbhibby]

Their half time draw is called the union jackpot.
Is that not what the go outside to smoke at half time.

[Tom Hart RIP]

My first Rangers game was in 1968. They beat us 3-1. First time I saw Hibs get beat. There was around 30,000 there and probably half were Rangers fans. I can still remember them bursting into Derry Walls and thinking wow. I'd no idea what the words were but it was an incredible atmosphere which probably cemented my love for the game.
In those days they just turned up and paid to get in. There were no tickets or segregation so you could end up surrounded by them. They really were the **** of the earth but like I said what an atmosphere.
I was also in the Shed in 1972 when we beat them 3-0 in the Drybrough Cup semi-final. (I think they had not long won the European Cup Winners Cup) That night was probably the biggest riot ever at Easter Road and ended with the Shed being closed and later seated.
Unless you are of a certain age you wouldn't believe what went on with bottles, cans, darts, bricks thrown, dozens of fans being taken away on stretchers and hundreds of arrests
Since then I have probably been to every Rangers game at Easter Road and there is nothing better than beating them and shutting them up. (The Souness game was one of my all time favourites)
I used to take my son to the games and by that time there was segregation so we were never in any physical danger. He stopped going about 10 years ago due to the poor football on show, not because of the songs.
So I'm not in favour of a ticket reduction. I'd prefer we beat them on the pitch because they don't sing much when they are losing.
Also, it seems the song most mentioned is the Billy Boys / Up to knees in Fenian Blood etc.
I agree with the poster who pointed out that the vast majority of Hearts fans sing the same song at Easter Road and have done for many years. (I don't want them banned either)
Finally, when the Rangers fans do sing the Billy Boys / Derry walls or the Sash there are usually some booing from the Hibs fans.
However most of the booing comes when they sign God Save the Queen/King and to a lesser extend Rule Britannia.
I'm not trying to defend them but if we cut their allocation in half it would be the same songs only slightly quieter. The ones who didn't get tickets would watch the games on TV in pubs and the only losers would be us financially.
Also by singing their 'party' songs it just shows the rest of the public what type of people they are.

[gbhibby]

My first Rangers game was in 1968. They beat us 3-1. First time I saw Hibs get beat. There was around 30,000 there and probably half were Rangers fans. I can still remember them bursting into Derry Walls and thinking wow. I'd no idea what the words were but it was an incredible atmosphere which probably cemented my love for the game.
In those days they just turned up and paid to get in. There were no tickets or segregation so you could end up surrounded by them. They really were the **** of the earth but like I said what an atmosphere.
I was also in the Shed in 1972 when we beat them 3-0 in the Drybrough Cup semi-final. (I think they had not long won the European Cup Winners Cup) That night was probably the biggest riot ever at Easter Road and ended with the Shed being closed and later seated.
Unless you are of a certain age you wouldn't believe what went on with bottles, cans, darts, bricks thrown, dozens of fans being taken away on stretchers and hundreds of arrests
Since then I have probably been to every Rangers game at Easter Road and there is nothing better than beating them and shutting them up. (The Souness game was one of my all time favourites)
I used to take my son to the games and by that time there was segregation so we were never in any physical danger. He stopped going about 10 years ago due to the poor football on show, not because of the songs.
So I'm not in favour of a ticket reduction. I'd prefer we beat them on the pitch because they don't sing much when they are losing.
Also, it seems the song most mentioned is the Billy Boys / Up to knees in Fenian Blood etc.
I agree with the poster who pointed out that the vast majority of Hearts fans sing the same song at Easter Road and have done for many years. (I don't want them banned either)
Finally, when the Rangers fans do sing the Billy Boys / Derry walls or the Sash there are usually some booing from the Hibs fans.
However most of the booing comes when they sign God Save the Queen/King and to a lesser extend Rule Britannia.
I'm not trying to defend them but if we cut their allocation in half it would be the same songs only slightly quieter. The ones who didn't get tickets would watch the games on TV in pubs and the only losers would be us financially.
Also by singing their 'party' songs it just shows the rest of the public what type of people they are.
So it's OK for them to sing to Neil Lennon "We thought you were dead we hoped you were dead" What if the Scottish fans sung to the Hungary player when he was clearly injured and required a long period of treatment about it being a hell of a way to die etc. I thought their behaviour when Boyler was injured was disgusting. As I have said in previous posts banning them for one game is less than 1% of our turnover.It a game of football and these songs have nothing to do with football. And don't forget the lack of respect at the Ron Gordon tribute.

[Tom Hart RIP]

So it's OK for them to sing to Neil Lennon "We thought you were dead we hoped you were dead" What if the Scottish fans sung to the Hungary player when he was clearly injured and required a long period of treatment about it being a hell of a way to die etc. I thought their behaviour when Boyler was injured was disgusting. As I have said in previous posts banning them for one game is less than 1% of our turnover.It a game of football and these songs have nothing to do with football. And don't forget the lack of respect at the Ron Gordon tribute.

As I said, I'm not trying to defend them, just my opinion. Those Neil Lennon songs just demonstrate the type of people they are.
But who decides what is offensive and what should be banned.
I remember Hearts fans disrupting the minute's silence for the Pope, signing about Erich and Tony Mowbray's wife?
My late mother loved the Royal family and would have been offended by Lizzie's in a box. I suspect Wallace Mercer's friends and family are offended by the Mercer song.
Re the Boyle song I remember many occasions when Hibs fans sang similar songs (substitute fenian for orange) when Rangers players were injured along with Die die die die ya hun.
I also remember many occasions when we applauded injured opposition players off including Rangers Celtic and Hearts.
Whatever happens I'll still be at the game whether there are Rangers, Celtic or Hearts fans there.

[.Sean.]

Said it before on hear that as much as I am sick fed up listening to the pish both Rangers and a Celtic sing and it’s one of the reason I want the bare minimum of them when they visit, as good a reason as any to cut their allocation is that they’d no longer get such a massive boost from a bouncing, rammed full away end. I can’t believe more folk don’t see that as yet another advantage they have

[O'Rourke3]

Also by singing their 'party' songs it just shows the rest of the public what type of people they are.

Except it diesn,'t. Levels are massively reduced for broadcast and commentators never comment.

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[Ship of Hope]

Said it before on hear that as much as I am sick fed up listening to the pish both Rangers and a Celtic sing and it’s one of the reason I want the bare minimum of them when they visit, as good a reason as any to cut their allocation is that they’d no longer get such a massive boost from a bouncing, rammed full away end. I can’t believe more folk don’t see that as yet another advantage they have

They get a massive boost because the 3x number of hibs fans in the stadium create a poor atmosphere. The hypocrisy of some people is unbelievable. We should be chatting about getting our own house in order. Some of the songs we have sung are equally appalling and certainly more current than some of the historical garbage they trot out.

Am I offended? No I am a big boy and my mum told me “sticks and stones… “ I think it will be footballs loss if all clubs start banning each others fans. The clubs voted against strict liability for fan behaviour so the SPFL /SFA cannot intervene. When any fans come to Easter Road we have the ability to out sing them, but we don’t and instead want them banned because the away end is bouncing.

[MWHIBBIES]

They get a massive boost because the 3x number of hibs fans in the stadium create a poor atmosphere. The hypocrisy of some people is unbelievable. We should be chatting about getting our own house in order. Some of the songs we have sung are equally appalling and certainly more current than some of the historical garbage they trot out.

Am I offended? No I am a big boy and my mum told me “sticks and stones… “ I think it will be footballs loss if all clubs start banning each others fans. The clubs voted against strict liability for fan behaviour so the SPFL /SFA cannot intervene. When any fans come to Easter Road we have the ability to out sing them, but we don’t and instead want them banned because the away end is bouncing.

You are enabling racism and sectarianism.

[McD]

As I said, I'm not trying to defend them, just my opinion. Those Neil Lennon songs just demonstrate the type of people they are.
But who decides what is offensive and what should be banned.
I remember Hearts fans disrupting the minute's silence for the Pope, signing about Erich and Tony Mowbray's wife?
My late mother loved the Royal family and would have been offended by Lizzie's in a box. I suspect Wallace Mercer's friends and family are offended by the Mercer song.
Re the Boyle song I remember many occasions when Hibs fans sang similar songs (substitute fenian for orange) when Rangers players were injured along with Die die die die ya hun.
I also remember many occasions when we applauded injured opposition players off including Rangers Celtic and Hearts.
Whatever happens I'll still be at the game whether there are Rangers, Celtic or Hearts fans there.


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