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Donegal Hibby
01-07-2024, 01:24 PM
Scored a cracker against Edinburgh City and I see Gray has praised him for his training . Gray also mentioned a clean slate for some players in our squad, maybe he's one of them that will get a chance?.

With everything the guys been through with his health , if he's not loaned out again maybe we as fans should give him one as well , probably not a very popular suggestion though what have we to lose ? .

Lively player that could be useful a squad player with maybe a point to prove too .



https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-attacker-singing-a-redemption-song-for-doubters-among-the-easter-road-faithful-4684655

Hibernian Verse
01-07-2024, 01:29 PM
Scored a cracker against Edinburgh City and I see Gray has praised him for his training . Gray also mentioned a clean slate for some players in our squad, maybe he's one of them that will get a chance?.

With everything the guys been through with his health , if he's not loaned out again maybe we as fans should give him one as well , probably not a very popular suggestion though what have we to lose ? .

Lively player that could be useful a squad player with maybe a point to prove too .



https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-attacker-singing-a-redemption-song-for-doubters-among-the-easter-road-faithful-4684655

If he continues scoring goals he will get more opportunities.

My old man
01-07-2024, 01:31 PM
Scored a cracker against Edinburgh City and I see Gray has praised him for his training . Gray also mentioned a clean slate for some players in our squad, maybe he's one of them that will get a chance?.

With everything the guys been through with his health , if he's not loaned out again maybe we as fans should give him one as well , probably not a very popular suggestion though what have we to lose ? .




Lively player that could be useful a squad player with maybe a point to prove too .



https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-attacker-singing-a-redemption-song-for-doubters-among-the-easter-road-faithful-4684655

Totally agree clean slate for all

GG2TH

we are hibs
01-07-2024, 01:35 PM
Totally agree clean slate for all

GG2THThere certainly shouldn't be. That's part of the reason Gray got the job. So he knows who needs moved on. There are numerous players who aren't good enough who still need moved on.

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Brightside
01-07-2024, 01:44 PM
Bar the goal he was very much the same player we've already seen. Running too much with the ball, losing it cheaply, no end product. He will do fine if he gets to play Edin City every week.

Chipper1875
01-07-2024, 01:44 PM
There certainly shouldn't be. That's part of the reason Gray got the job. So he knows who needs moved on. There are numerous players who aren't good enough who still need moved on.

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Spot on . And there’s ones that don’t deserve any more chances

Unseen work
01-07-2024, 01:47 PM
I do agree with McKirdy in that he was given very little opportunities.

Two of the games he started (away to hearts and Celtic) he was subbed at half time when the whole team was playing poorly.

Dont think he ever started consecutive games either.

Has he been good enough for us? No, nowhere near it. But his confidence was completely gone in a very short space of time

Donegal Hibby
01-07-2024, 01:51 PM
There certainly shouldn't be. That's part of the reason Gray got the job. So he knows who needs moved on. There are numerous players who aren't good enough who still need moved on.

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Maybe , while I have questioned the guys attitude at times I do wonder what effect his condition had on him and what pressure he must have felt under at the time .

I think we will undoubtedly get another striker anyhow though with what Grays saying about him in training and if he starts chipping in with some goals maybe he wouldn't be a bad option from the bench .

Since452
01-07-2024, 02:01 PM
Obviously nobody is privy to the discussions between Mckirdy and SDG but he needs to show he is up to it pre season or i suspect he'll be moved on. One goal (albeit a cracker) won't change that. Hopefully it happens for him. It's a start.

JimBHibees
01-07-2024, 02:11 PM
Would be surprised if he didn't move back down south.

marinello59
01-07-2024, 02:14 PM
I'd love to see him make it at Hibs, there's just something likeable about him. Down to himself really, looks like SDG is going to give him a chance.

SHODAN
01-07-2024, 02:21 PM
Would love to see him make it up here.

ElginHibee
01-07-2024, 02:21 PM
Would agree that there are some that have used up all their chances and need punted. I wouldn't mind seeing McKirdy around for a while to have another go, would love to see him come good.

J-C
01-07-2024, 02:31 PM
McKirdy has a swagger about him but his 1st season was a disaster, I still think these guys come up here thinking it's just Scotland and forget it's not easy. Let's hope he knuckles down and is productive.

ian cruise
01-07-2024, 02:36 PM
Mckirdy is one I think most Hibs fans would be happy to give a clean slate too, but he'd need to show something pretty quickly. Like most so far on the thread, I'd love for him to be a success, he's very likable and he's got that Riordan, Cummings feel about him, but he's not shown he's the goal scoring that went along with their swagger.

Wilson
01-07-2024, 05:12 PM
There certainly shouldn't be. That's part of the reason Gray got the job. So he knows who needs moved on. There are numerous players who aren't good enough who still need moved on.

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The reason Gray got the job is right. His opinion on who needs a chance and who moves on matters most though. It may differ on the opinions of some on here!

Waxy
01-07-2024, 05:19 PM
Deserves the clean slate.
Hopefully improves and why not.

Eyrie
01-07-2024, 06:02 PM
I want all Hibs players to be successful, but right now McKirdy is in the group who offer little evidence to justify any optimism.

Let's hope he, as well as others, can change that.

allezsauzee
01-07-2024, 06:04 PM
Get him in the shop window and hopefully the likes of Swindon or a team at that level will be convinced to take him off our hands.

HIBS NUTS
01-07-2024, 06:07 PM
He scored a great goal on Saturday, apart from that, I thought he was poor.
He just isn’t strong enough.
I would be delighted to be wrong.

Chipper1875
01-07-2024, 06:33 PM
Malky needs to get players out the door and reduce the wage bill. Mckirdy will get moved on before window closes .

JohnM1875
01-07-2024, 06:38 PM
Malky needs to get players out the door and reduce the wage bill. Mckirdy will get moved on before window closes .

Hope so. He’s just not good enough to be a regular here. Can’t fault him for effort when he’s on the pitch. Just doesn’t have the skill set to match.

Deserves credit to come back from the health scare and continue playing. Just can’t see that being with us.

cameronw-hfc
01-07-2024, 08:49 PM
Was reported at the time time Harry struggled to settle at first. He had a really tough first year and then probably worst case scenario for anyone second season with his heart scare.

As others have said, he's not been good enough when he has played, but the fact Gray has seen him for 2 years and seems to be giving him a shot imo shows he's clearly looked decent enough in training over that time. At least good enough to suggest there's more to him than what we've seen.

brydekirk
01-07-2024, 08:58 PM
Scored a cracker against Edinburgh City and I see Gray has praised him for his training . Gray also mentioned a clean slate for some players in our squad, maybe he's one of them that will get a chance?.

With everything the guys been through with his health , if he's not loaned out again maybe we as fans should give him one as well , probably not a very popular suggestion though what have we to lose ? .

Lively player that could be useful a squad player with maybe a point to prove too .



https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-attacker-singing-a-redemption-song-for-doubters-among-the-easter-road-faithful-4684655
if he's not loaned out again maybe we as fans should give him one as well ,

You can give him one if you want, I'll just stick to supporting him.

B.H.F.C
01-07-2024, 09:18 PM
I’ll still be surprised if McKirdy plays any significant part for us this season. Obviously if he does and scores 15 goals I’d be delighted but I have my doubts.

Hibee Mac
01-07-2024, 09:50 PM
Very surprised at the number of posters who seem to be happy to give him a clean slate!

If McKirdy is anywhere near the starting line up this season then we're in for another shocker. Despite what he seems to think in that article he's clearly not at the standard required for the Scottish top flight.

He's firmly on the get rid of list for me, along with the likes of Henderson, Kenneh, Tavares, among others.

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Chorley Hibee
01-07-2024, 09:54 PM
Very surprised at the number of posters who seem to be happy to give him a clean slate!

If McKirdy is anywhere near the starting line up this season then we're in for another shocker. Despite what he seems to think in that article he's clearly not at the standard required for the Scottish top flight.

He's firmly on the get rid of list for me, along with the likes of Henderson, Kenneh, Tavares, among others.

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Completely agree, and a look at the squad list posted earlier makes for grim reading.

Still a massive injection of quality required to stand any chance of improving upon where we've been.

Gray's being hung out to dry otherwise.

Spudster
01-07-2024, 09:54 PM
There certainly shouldn't be. That's part of the reason Gray got the job. So he knows who needs moved on. There are numerous players who aren't good enough who still need moved on.

What was Gray meant to say? "Not good enough, will never make it here"
If we can't get shot of him he has the backing of his manager and will perform.
If teams are interested they can put in a decent offer.

He's trying to get the most we can for the player or trying to get the most out of the player that's here.

K-Zazu
01-07-2024, 10:00 PM
Nowhere near good enough to play for Hibs.

NAE NOOKIE
02-07-2024, 12:08 AM
The hoped for 'mercurial talent' Sadly we've seen a bit of the mercurial, but not a lot of the talent.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be given a chance, but absolutely everything about the guy needs to improve, aside from his work rate. That's good, but it's kind of of the headless chicken variety.

If he could turn into a kind of latter day Micky Weir and come on as a sub to change the game then maybe .... I just can't see the guy ever being a starter.

If you are reading this Harry .... get out there and shove this rubbish right down my throat by proving me wrong :aok:

Ship of Hope
02-07-2024, 12:48 AM
It would be amazing if Harry could turn things around at Hibs. He looked a real good goal scorer for Swindon.

I remember Suarez first season at Liverpool, every shot went 6 inches past the post or just over the bar. Next season he nailed it and became indispensable. That’s what I hope for Harry.

Do I think it is going to happen, I have my doubts. I am just not sure he is what we need. If he gets the goal touch back then possibly as a sub for Vente or vice versa. But I don’t see them as a pair. When you look at someone like Youan with 10 goals and 10 assists ( and 10 missed tackles) and fans give him a hard time it is difficult to see what Harry would need to do to change the narrative.

Both these guys are great in or around the box but we have not been creating the chances for them to shine. Do we need a number 10 or a target man to play off? Do they both need binned? That is SDG’s dilemma and hopefully he can find a solution. Does Harry deserve another chance everyrhing considered? Probably. Do I believe he will take it? Sadly probably not.

hibsbollah
02-07-2024, 07:36 AM
It would be amazing if Harry could turn things around at Hibs. He looked a real good goal scorer for Swindon.

I remember Suarez first season at Liverpool, every shot went 6 inches past the post or just over the bar. Next season he nailed it and became indispensable. That’s what I hope for Harry.

Do I think it is going to happen, I have my doubts. I am just not sure he is what we need. If he gets the goal touch back then possibly as a sub for Vente or vice versa. But I don’t see them as a pair. When you look at someone like Youan with 10 goals and 10 assists ( and 10 missed tackles) and fans give him a hard time it is difficult to see what Harry would need to do to change the narrative.

Both these guys are great in or around the box but we have not been creating the chances for them to shine. Do we need a number 10 or a target man to play off? Do they both need binned? That is SDG’s dilemma and hopefully he can find a solution. Does Harry deserve another chance everyrhing considered? Probably. Do I believe he will take it? Sadly probably not.

Both Vente and McKirdy have goal scoring pedigree at lower league level. I think most of us consider Vente to have more potential but to be fair he’s had a lot more starts than McKirdy has, and Vente has singularly failed to contribute for a lot longer time on the pitch than McKirdy, who had least had his health issues to use as justification.

Id say both players have equal amounts to prove this season.

we are hibs
02-07-2024, 07:56 AM
What was Gray meant to say? "Not good enough, will never make it here"
If we can't get shot of him he has the backing of his manager and will perform.
If teams are interested they can put in a decent offer.

He's trying to get the most we can for the player or trying to get the most out of the player that's here.

Im not sure what that's got to do with what I posted. I replied to a poster saying everyone should get a clean slate. They most certainly shouldn't and that's a reason why Gray was given the job, so we didn't need to suffer this going through the motions bollocks of trying out all these players everyone already knows aren't good enough.

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Tyler Durden
02-07-2024, 08:09 AM
Both Vente and McKirdy have goal scoring pedigree at lower league level. I think most of us consider Vente to have more potential but to be fair he’s had a lot more starts than McKirdy has, and Vente has singularly failed to contribute for a lot longer time on the pitch than McKirdy, who had least had his health issues to use as justification.

Id say both players have equal amounts to prove this season.

Not really comparable IMO.

Vente had an average season but was very clearly capable at this level. 8 goals and 4 assists and the best conversion rate in the team. Definitely didn't do enough though and needs to improve.

McKirdy has had plenty of chances the prior season and never looked remotely like he belongs at this level. Not a single goal (or assist?) and barely a shot on target. He's not going to cut it in this league.

Chorley Hibee
02-07-2024, 08:21 AM
Im not sure what that's got to do with what I posted. I replied to a poster saying everyone should get a clean slate. They most certainly shouldn't and that's a reason why Gray was given the job, so we didn't need to suffer this going through the motions bollocks of trying out all these players everyone already knows aren't good enough.

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If we're going to start this clean slate nonsense with a shed load of players that everyone knows aren't good enough, then we're in serious trouble this coming season.

I worry that's where we're heading though.

judas
02-07-2024, 02:29 PM
If he continues scoring goals he will get more opportunities.

Not a Scottish premier league level player.

A trier and I thank him for that but he will cost Gray if played.

eastmainsmsh
02-07-2024, 02:32 PM
Harry will be keen to make a mark this season been through a lot be good to see him given a fresh start definitely a good player

monarch
02-07-2024, 02:38 PM
Not really comparable IMO.

Vente had an average season but was very clearly capable at this level. 8 goals and 4 assists and the best conversion rate in the team. Definitely didn't do enough though and needs to improve.

McKirdy has had plenty of chances the prior season and never looked remotely like he belongs at this level. Not a single goal (or assist?) and barely a shot on target. He's not going to cut it in this league.
Your statistical analysis of McKirdy conveniently ignores the fact that it was nearly all in the lead up to a big heart operation.

For that reason I think he’s worth an extended chance.

Since452
02-07-2024, 03:02 PM
Harry will be keen to make a mark this season been through a lot be good to see him given a fresh start definitely a good player

He's maybe a good player playing at a level too high for him? He didn't look anything like good. I was very critical of him but i think due to his health issues he should get a fresh start. Hope he comes good.

Hibernian Verse
02-07-2024, 03:03 PM
If we're going to start this clean slate nonsense with a shed load of players that everyone knows aren't good enough, then we're in serious trouble this coming season.

I worry that's where we're heading though.

The club have been back to work for 8 days and we've signed 3 players already. No need to be worried yet.

blackpoolhibs
02-07-2024, 03:16 PM
Your statistical analysis of McKirdy conveniently ignores the fact that it was nearly all in the lead up to a big heart operation.

For that reason I think he’s worth an extended chance.

I agree with that, of all the wasters we currently have at the club, he is the only one who does have circumstances that perhaps affected his play.

He's the only one in my opinion that deserves a clean slate.

B.H.F.C
02-07-2024, 03:21 PM
If we're going to start this clean slate nonsense with a shed load of players that everyone knows aren't good enough, then we're in serious trouble this coming season.

I worry that's where we're heading though.

I don’t think we are. There are players kicking about who are making up the numbers. Always happens at this time of year, you have players playing that probably won’t be with you come the end of the window. More will move on, it’s just difficult to get rid of those on contracts. In some cases, because of that, he’s going to need to try and get more out of some players, whether we or he like it or not.

hibsbollah
02-07-2024, 04:50 PM
I agree with that, of all the wasters we currently have at the club, he is the only one who does have circumstances that perhaps affected his play.

He's the only one in my opinion that deserves a clean slate.

:agree: A worthwhile waster.

cameronw-hfc
25-07-2024, 03:18 PM
Thought Harry would be done at Hibs, after pre season so far I think he's put himself right back in the mix now. Testament to himself given his condition and how fit and sharp he looks. Seems to be a real hope he can do it and turn it around now.

Unseen work
25-07-2024, 03:20 PM
I know Porteous made a mess of it but thought Harry done brilliantly for the goal

Had a split second to react to the mistake and his touch was perfect to get it under control and past the keeper

If he stays, hope he kicks on

B.H.F.C
25-07-2024, 03:23 PM
I know Porteous made a mess of it but thought Harry done brilliantly for the goal

Had a split second to react to the mistake and his touch was perfect to get it under control and past the keeper

If he stays, hope he kicks on

Took his goal well and scored a brilliant goal against Edinburgh City as well.

I’m still far from convinced he’ll make any impact on the team this season but judging by the inactivity we’re going to need to hope he can do something.

Shrekko
25-07-2024, 03:29 PM
He's maybe a good player playing at a level too high for him? He didn't look anything like good. I was very critical of him but i think due to his health issues he should get a fresh start. Hope he comes good.

That kind of sums it up for me- he seems to want to do something flashy almost every time he's on the ball but it's way beyond his capabilities at this level.

Green_one
25-07-2024, 04:27 PM
I want all Hibs players to be successful, but right now McKirdy is in the group who offer little evidence to justify any optimism.

Let's hope he, as well as others, can change that.

I hope so too but I have never seen any reason for optimism with him. Hard to believe the rep he arrived with.

Maybe playing lower league teams will get his swagger back but I cannot see what assets he has to take him forward. I predict we get rid mid season. Surprised he is still here frankly

Dashing Bob S
25-07-2024, 04:31 PM
McKirdy obviously has talent, Vente probably even more so. I think we have to set things up so that players can show it at Hibs.

We used to be a rehab clinic for players with attitude/confidence problems.

Now we seem to take confident and well adjusted young men and make them into nervous wreckages.

If I had a talented footballing young relative I’d have been encouraging them to join Hibs. Now I’m not sure I’d wish it on anybody.

We need to change things and quickly.