Club Captain

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Are we expecting Joe Newell to fully assume that responsibility now or will SDG possibly look towards a new signing?

Interesting comments around Boyle and his seniority within the club made me wonder what we might do?

[Unseen work]

I know others will disagree as some just don’t rate him.

But to me it should be Newell, I think he’s the real leader in the changing room.

We’ll bring in more leaders like O’Hora etc but let’s get them used to being a Hibs player first and foremost

[Craig_HFC]

I reckon it'll be Newell but wouldn't be averse to it being a new signing, after all I'm pretty sure David Gray became Captain having just signed.

[ElginHibbie]

I reckon it'll be Newell but wouldn't be averse to it being a new signing, after all I'm pretty sure David Gray became Captain having just signed.

Was Craig his first season, given start of second I think

[JammyDoidger]

We should be looking to sign someone to take newells place, feel like we need to move on from midfielders that just run about huffing and puffing, I'd rather we brought in a new captain tbh make it feel like a completely fresh start and a new era for the club.

[Smartie]

I'm not really that bothered... but I do find it essential that we sign a good few players with a bit of leadership and character.

The armband stuff isn't really all that for me but any decent Hibs side I've seen has had strong characters through it whether they are experienced pros or youngsters with a bit of grit and attitude.

The 2 arrivals so far sound quite good on that front to me.

[Brightside]

Ohora.

[Rumble de Thump]

I think Mackay and Gray were talking about wanting to see more leadership from Boyle. As one of our most experienced and longest serving players maybe he should be the captain.

[Smartie]

I think Mackay and Gray were talking about wanting to see more leadership from Boyle. As one of our most experienced and longest serving players maybe he should be the captain.

If he was to be in a leadership position he'd need to be a bit more guarded with his comments than he was in Australia recently.

Not the worst shout though - and a player who has always been considered to be an asset in the dressing room.

[RIP]

Joe Newell is a past POTY.

I think he will be an even better player and captain under David Gray next season. He so reminds me of Beuzy, who was also regularly man-marked by the opposition who targeted him as our lynchpin.

He needs better players alongside him.

[Donegal Hibby]

Thought the O'Hora interview was good , noticed he said he's quite vocal on the pitch so I'd go with him as captain .

[Paul1642]

It’s not unheard of by any means but I think a player should settle into a club before becoming captain.

Gray knows the squad so unless there’s an existing candidate more suitable than Newell, it’s going to be him.

[SHODAN]

It'll be Newell. Personally would go for Obita.

[MWHIBBIES]

Thought the O'Hora interview was good , noticed he said he's quite vocal on the pitch so I'd go with him as captain .

What if he talks a load of *****?

[CapitalGreen]

Has to be somebody new. How can we expect somebody to help set the standards when they haven’t exhibited those standards themselves in the recent past.

[Donegal Hibby]

What if he talks a load of *****?

What if he doesn't though? . The way our defence has been I quite like the idea of a Vocal CH as captain sorting out the defence .

[Paul1642]

What if he doesn't though? . The way our defence has been I quite like the idea of a Vocal CH as captain sorting out the defence .

If the Euro 24 rule of only captains talking to the ref comes into play then I can see CMs increasingly being captain across the board as they will generally be closer to the ref at both ends.

[MWHIBBIES]

What if he doesn't though? . The way our defence has been I quite like the idea of a Vocal CH as captain sorting out the defence .

What if he talks rubbish and he's pish? I think we should find out before making him captain.

[B.H.F.C]

Newell will get the captaincy. I don’t think he should but I can’t see it being anyone else. I think if we were going to bring someone in and make them captain they’d have been in on day one.

[Donegal Hibby]

If the Euro 24 rule of only captains talking to the ref comes into play then I can see CMs increasingly being captain across the board as they will generally be closer to the ref at both ends.

That's a fair point which makes sense though I do think we have lacked leadership in the team which is why I opted for O'Hora . Who knows maybe we will take in another midfielder who fits the bill .

[Donegal Hibby]

What if he talks rubbish and he's pish? I think we should find out before making him captain.

He might and he might be though he might not and he might turn out to be good . I'm sure Gray will weigh that situation up over the pre- season.

Think we lack players with leadership in our team , I thought this was something MM mentioned recently though i could be wrong on that .

[Crab apple]

I'm not really that bothered... but I do find it essential that we sign a good few players with a bit of leadership and character.

The armband stuff isn't really all that for me but any decent Hibs side I've seen has had strong characters through it whether they are experienced pros or youngsters with a bit of grit and attitude.

The 2 arrivals so far sound quite good on that front to me.

Absolutely. The 2016 team was full of leaders.

[ancient hibee]

I imagine Gray will not want to upset any applecarts and Newell is the obvious choice among players who are already at the club.He’ll also know that any natural leaders will emerge on the pitch regardless of who is captain.

[The Modfather]

As long as we move on from Newell as a starter I don’t mind if he’s captain if he’s a good influence off the park. Would be a big, and very encouraging, statement if Gray was to be the first man to move on from Newell playing every game and every minute.

[MWHIBBIES]

As long as we move on from Newell as a starter I don’t mind if he’s captain if he’s a good influence off the park. Would be a big, and very encouraging, statement if Gray was to be the first man to move on from Newell playing every game and every minute.

I doubt he replaces every midfielder at the club in one summer though. Amos, NMW, Campbell, JDH, Henderson all need to find new clubs if Newell is on the bench, as they wouldn't be getting a look in. Id love him to bring in that quality but it's unlikely.

[The Modfather]

I doubt he replaces every midfielder at the club in one summer though. Amos, NMW, Campbell, JDH, Henderson all need to find new clubs if Newell is on the bench, as they wouldn't be getting a look in. Id love him to bring in that quality but it's unlikely.

Newell perhaps compares favourably on an individual basis, but Gray needs fo build a team more than the sum of its parts. After 5 years the reality is that Newell is a good player but we’ve struggled for those 5 years to make a functional midfielder that contains him. Time to move on IMO.

I’d look to harness and compliment the raw attributes of NMW’s energy, drive and athleticism. Hopefully that’s Amos, and I think it is quality wise, but will he ever be fit who knows. Plus a creative midfielder with athleticism and energy. Newell would be quality backup to Amos for me. If/when Amos is injured play Newell in the McGeough role, or not at all IMO.

[Donegal Hibby]

If the Euro 24 rule of only captains talking to the ref comes into play then I can see CMs increasingly being captain across the board as they will generally be closer to the ref at both ends.

Probably got my facts all wrong here 😂 though was looking into what you said about the Euro rule you mentioned and my question is how many countries had midfielders as captains going into the Euro groups stages ? .

[I'm_cabbaged]

Joe Newell is a past POTY.

I think he will be an even better player and captain under David Gray next season. He so reminds me of Beuzy, who was also regularly man-marked by the opposition who targeted him as our lynchpin.

He needs better players alongside him.

Newell and Beuzy mentioned in the same breath? 🤣🤣

[JimBHibees]

Personally would be looking to sell Newell and Boyle

[RIP]

Newell and Beuzy mentioned in the same breath? 🤣🤣

There are some parallels and a couple of obvious differences.

Beuzy played better under Mowbray than under any other manager. He'd been released by Le Havre before coming to us and flopped in the English Championship after leaving 4 years later. At Hibs he was surrounded by top players who were at a level above most of the present squad. His midfield partners were Brown, Thomson and Stewart.

Newell on the other hand has had to cope with 5 different Head Coaches, constantly different tactics and formations and some fairly unspectacular midfield partners. Put better players beside him and he will flourish just like Beuzelin.

[CapitalGreen]

There are some parallels and a couple of obvious differences.

Beuzy played better under Mowbray than under any other manager. He'd been released by Le Havre before coming to us and flopped in the English Championship after leaving 4 years later. At Hibs he was surrounded by top players who were at a level above most of the present squad. His midfield partners were Brown, Thomson and Stewart.

Newell on the other hand has had to cope with 5 different Head Coaches, constantly different tactics and formations and some fairly unspectacular midfield partners. Put better players beside him and he will flourish just like Beuzelin.

Newell couldn’t lace Boozy’s boots.

It does him a massive disservice to suggest he only performed due to the players he had alongside him. In 2007, I was privileged to watch Boozy put in one of the best midfield displays I’ve seen against the Old Firm when he dominated the midfield against Rangers alongside Ross Chisholm and Brian Kerr in a 1-0 win at Ibrox. Rather than needing better players around him, it could be argued that Boozy helped raise the standard of those around him, let’s not forget how inconsistently the likes of Thomson and Brown had performed the season before Boozy arrived.

[Bostonhibby]

Newell couldn’t lace Boozy’s boots.

It does him a massive disservice to suggest he only performed due to the players he had alongside him. In 2007, I was privileged to watch Boozy put in one of the best midfield displays I’ve seen against the Old Firm when he dominated the midfield against Rangers alongside Ross Chisholm and Brian Kerr in a 1-0 win at Ibrox. Rather than needing better players around him, it could be argued that Boozy helped raise the standard of those around him, let’s not forget how inconsistently the likes of Thomson and Brown had performed the season before Boozy arrived.Seen them both, Newell is a bit of an enigma, I think he should stay. He was often not used to our best advantage, I don't think he can carry a poor midfield set up on his own.

Boozy probably could but was just simply a better player for us.

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[Since452]

The last captain who made a noticeable difference for me was SDG himself. We always looked a stronger, hungrier team when he was in it. No issues with it being Newell but hopefully with Gray being manager now we'll see his leadership qualities rub off on the team.

[Jock O]

Newell perhaps compares favourably on an individual basis, but Gray needs fo build a team more than the sum of its parts. After 5 years the reality is that Newell is a good player but we’ve struggled for those 5 years to make a functional midfielder that contains him. Time to move on IMO.

I’d look to harness and compliment the raw attributes of NMW’s energy, drive and athleticism. Hopefully that’s Amos, and I think it is quality wise, but will he ever be fit who knows. Plus a creative midfielder with athleticism and energy. Newell would be quality backup to Amos for me. If/when Amos is injured play Newell in the McGeough role, or not at all IMO.

Genuine question, but did you actually watch Newell live, at a game, last year? Your descriptions of him generally rarely match with the reality of his performances I saw, which was by no means every game, so interested in comparisons. No doubt he needs to do better and more often, as do all of the players. But ignoring his many positive attributes and ignoring the good bits about his performances doesn't really make for a reasoned debate. To date based on the evidence I would say he is a far stronger player than both Amos and NMW, but hopefully they still have a bit to give to get to their best. I get people have favourites and have pet hates about how some players work, but with Newell and Rocky in particular it seem often almost personal and not ability related.

He definitely has to stand up and be counted more consistently this year, when hopefully there will be more pressure on his position if he doesn't, but he actually did that far more than most last year, and was rarely recognised, I still have the train of thought that with better and more consistent players around him his consistency will increase exponentially,

There is little evidence or reason in my eyes on why he should lose captaincy, he needs to build on it.

[SeanWilson]

Genuine question, but did you actually watch Newell live, at a game, last year? Your descriptions of him generally rarely match with the reality of his performances I saw, which was by no means every game, so interested in comparisons. No doubt he needs to do better and more often, as do all of the players. But ignoring his many positive attributes and ignoring the good bits about his performances doesn't really make for a reasoned debate. To date based on the evidence I would say he is a far stronger player than both Amos and NMW, but hopefully they still have a bit to give to get to their best. I get people have favourites and have pet hates about how some players work, but with Newell and Rocky in particular it seem often almost personal and not ability related.

He definitely has to stand up and be counted more consistently this year, when hopefully there will be more pressure on his position if he doesn't, but he actually did that far more than most last year, and was rarely recognised, I still have the train of thought that with better and more consistent players around him his consistency will increase exponentially,

There is little evidence or reason in my eyes on why he should lose captaincy, he needs to build on it.

Your second paragraph is my issue with Newell. No doubt he’s a decent footballer, he just seems to pick and choose when he wants to make the effort. If Gray can instil a must win, give everything attitude in every game… I’d be delighted for him to continue as our captain.

[Rumble de Thump]

Newell needs better players around him, and those better players need a player better than Newell around them.

[Paul1642]

Probably got my facts all wrong here 😂 though was looking into what you said about the Euro rule you mentioned and my question is how many countries had midfielders as captains going into the Euro groups stages ? .

I wish you hadn’t asked. 10 mins of research I won’t get back 😂

Is the captain a midfielder

Yes:

Germany - Gundogan
Hungary - Dominik Szoboszlai
Switzerland- Granite Xhaka
Croatia - Luka Modric
Belgium - KDB
Romania - Nicolae Stanciu
Ukraine - Andriy Yarmolenko
Turkey - Hakan Calhanoglu
Czech - Tomáš Souček

No:

Scotland - Robertson
Spain - Álvaro Morata
Italy - Leonardo Bonucci
Albania - Etrit Berisha
Slovenia - Jan Oblak
Serbia - Simon Kjær
England - Harry Kane
Poland - Lewandowski
Netherlands - Van Dijk
France - Mbappe
Austria - David Alaba
Slovakia - Milan Skriniar
Georgia - Guram Kashia
Portugal - Ronaldo


All of these were presumably captains before the rule came in so were unlikely to be changed. It would be future captain decisions that may or may not be affected I guess.

[Hibiza]

We should be looking to sign someone to take newells place, feel like we need to move on from midfielders that just run about huffing and puffing, I'd rather we brought in a new captain tbh make it feel like a completely fresh start and a new era for the club.

👍

[Lancs Harp]

Whether Newell should be Captain or not has been well debated above but just to throw into the Captain debate that Marv has been the Captain at Blackpool and could be an alternative.

[Jock O]

Your second paragraph is my issue with Newell. No doubt he’s a decent footballer, he just seems to pick and choose when he wants to make the effort. If Gray can instil a must win, give everything attitude in every game… I’d be delighted for him to continue as our captain.

I don't think in the games I seen him lack of effort was ever a problem, lots of times whole team was flat, but there were definitely games where he was miles off it, and that's what you have to hope that will happen less and his impact on games will increase. I will still argue that was as much a result of the players around him as it was his own performance. I think the problem for Newell was when he was on it, like Lucerne, he was magnificent. Therefore his bad games look even worse, if he played like that every week he probably wouldn't be here, a boring cliché I realise but cliches are normally so for a reason.

I completely agree we need more from him this year, and more regularly, and why its important we have better performances from people playing with him, but also a realistic alternative to playing him would hopefully help if he does need any focus, which I genuinely don't think he does, but healthy competition is always good in football.

[we are hibs]

Don't really understand the folk that say Newell needs to be more consistent. If he was early 20's I'd get it but he's 31 years old and been at Hibs for 5 years. This is him. You either rate him as a player or don't. A light isn't all of a sudden going to switch and he's going to be putting in 8 or 9 out of 10 performances on a regular basis now. He's always going to have quite a few strong games in a row then contribute little in the next bunch of games.

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[MWHIBBIES]

I wish you hadn’t asked. 10 mins of research I won’t get back 😂

Is the captain a midfielder

Yes:

Germany - Gundogan
Hungary - Dominik Szoboszlai
Switzerland- Granite Xhaka
Croatia - Luka Modric
Belgium - KDB
Romania - Nicolae Stanciu
Ukraine - Andriy Yarmolenko
Turkey - Hakan Calhanoglu
Czech - Tomáš Souček

No:

Scotland - Robertson
Spain - Álvaro Morata
Italy - Leonardo Bonucci
Albania - Etrit Berisha
Slovenia - Jan Oblak
Serbia - Simon Kjær
England - Harry Kane
Poland - Lewandowski
Netherlands - Van Dijk
France - Mbappe
Austria - David Alaba
Slovakia - Milan Skriniar
Georgia - Guram Kashia
Portugal - Ronaldo


All of these were presumably captains before the rule came in so were unlikely to be changed. It would be future captain decisions that may or may not be affected I guess.

Id be surprised if Bonucci is Italy captain.

[Helensburghhibs]

I wish you hadn’t asked. 10 mins of research I won’t get back 😂

Is the captain a midfielder

Yes:

Germany - Gundogan
Hungary - Dominik Szoboszlai
Switzerland- Granite Xhaka
Croatia - Luka Modric
Belgium - KDB
Romania - Nicolae Stanciu
Ukraine - Andriy Yarmolenko
Turkey - Hakan Calhanoglu
Czech - Tomáš Souček

No:

Scotland - Robertson
Spain - Álvaro Morata
Italy - Leonardo Bonucci
Albania - Etrit Berisha
Slovenia - Jan Oblak
Serbia - Simon Kjær
England - Harry Kane
Poland - Lewandowski
Netherlands - Van Dijk
France - Mbappe
Austria - David Alaba
Slovakia - Milan Skriniar
Georgia - Guram Kashia
Portugal - Ronaldo


All of these were presumably captains before the rule came in so were unlikely to be changed. It would be future captain decisions that may or may not be affected I guess.


One things for sure, gone are the days of having a goalie as captain.

[Up-the-slope]

If the Euro 24 rule of only captains talking to the ref comes into play then I can see CMs increasingly being captain across the board as they will generally be closer to the ref at both ends.

:agree: would have Newell regardless but its defo another factor.

New players should be settling in first - and if they are defenders.... lets see some concentration on defending first and foremost

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Another reference from player and management about Big Marv as a leader and talking up captain capabilities

Sounds like SDG wants these captain figures across the spine

[Donegal Hibby]

I wish you hadn’t asked. 10 mins of research I won’t get back 😂

Is the captain a midfielder

Yes:

Germany - Gundogan
Hungary - Dominik Szoboszlai
Switzerland- Granite Xhaka
Croatia - Luka Modric
Belgium - KDB
Romania - Nicolae Stanciu
Ukraine - Andriy Yarmolenko
Turkey - Hakan Calhanoglu
Czech - Tomáš Souček

No:

Scotland - Robertson
Spain - Álvaro Morata
Italy - Leonardo Bonucci
Albania - Etrit Berisha
Slovenia - Jan Oblak
Serbia - Simon Kjær
England - Harry Kane
Poland - Lewandowski
Netherlands - Van Dijk
France - Mbappe
Austria - David Alaba
Slovakia - Milan Skriniar
Georgia - Guram Kashia
Portugal - Ronaldo


All of these were presumably captains before the rule came in so were unlikely to be changed. It would be future captain decisions that may or may not be affected I guess.

Much the same as I got researching it though in fairness it took me abit longer than you 😂.

Alot of non midfielders as captains , wondering if say like in Italy's case where the vice captain can take over talking to the referee instead . Maybe there's abit of flexibility on the rule that way .

[BoomtownHibees]

I wish you hadn’t asked. 10 mins of research I won’t get back 😂

Is the captain a midfielder

Yes:

Germany - Gundogan
Hungary - Dominik Szoboszlai
Switzerland- Granite Xhaka
Croatia - Luka Modric
Belgium - KDB
Romania - Nicolae Stanciu
Ukraine - Andriy Yarmolenko
Turkey - Hakan Calhanoglu
Czech - Tomáš Souček

No:

Scotland - Robertson
Spain - Álvaro Morata
Italy - Leonardo Bonucci
Albania - Etrit Berisha
Slovenia - Jan Oblak
Serbia - Simon Kjær
England - Harry Kane
Poland - Lewandowski
Netherlands - Van Dijk
France - Mbappe
Austria - David Alaba
Slovakia - Milan Skriniar
Georgia - Guram Kashia
Portugal - Ronaldo


All of these were presumably captains before the rule came in so were unlikely to be changed. It would be future captain decisions that may or may not be affected I guess.

Donnarumma is the Italy captain

Your Albania one is wrong as well. No checked the others but maybe worth reviewing where you got your data from (if you can be arsed)

[Steve20]

Newell should not be a starter in a Hibs team wanting to be successful. We need a better standard. He's a one good game in three at best and that's being generous.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

There are some parallels and a couple of obvious differences.

Beuzy played better under Mowbray than under any other manager. He'd been released by Le Havre before coming to us and flopped in the English Championship after leaving 4 years later. At Hibs he was surrounded by top players who were at a level above most of the present squad. His midfield partners were Brown, Thomson and Stewart.

Newell on the other hand has had to cope with 5 different Head Coaches, constantly different tactics and formations and some fairly unspectacular midfield partners. Put better players beside him and he will flourish just like Beuzelin.

Thomson and Brown were both out injured for long periods of Mowbrays tenure. Boozy played some of his best football for Hibs beside Stephen Glass, Craig Rocastle, and Antonio Murray

[MWHIBBIES]

Newell should not be a starter in a Hibs team wanting to be successful. We need a better standard. He's a one good game in three at best and that's being generous.

He played in a every week in a Hibs side that finished 3rd. He's one of our only players who has been successful in a Hibs shirt.

[Conj]

I wish you hadn’t asked. 10 mins of research I won’t get back 😂

Is the captain a midfielder

Yes:

Germany - Gundogan
Hungary - Dominik Szoboszlai
Switzerland- Granite Xhaka
Croatia - Luka Modric
Belgium - KDB
Romania - Nicolae Stanciu
Ukraine - Andriy Yarmolenko
Turkey - Hakan Calhanoglu
Czech - Tomáš Souček

No:

Scotland - Robertson
Spain - Álvaro Morata
Italy - Leonardo Bonucci
Albania - Etrit Berisha
Slovenia - Jan Oblak
Serbia - Simon Kjær
England - Harry Kane
Poland - Lewandowski
Netherlands - Van Dijk
France - Mbappe
Austria - David Alaba
Slovakia - Milan Skriniar
Georgia - Guram Kashia
Portugal - Ronaldo


All of these were presumably captains before the rule came in so were unlikely to be changed. It would be future captain decisions that may or may not be affected I guess.

Alaba is only with Austria as non-playing captain as he is injured, he isn’t in their squad so not really their captain (if that isn’t all a bit contradictory).

[ancient hibee]

Beuzy was a major factor in the way Brown and Thomson developed. He constantly took the ball from them when they ran into trouble or over elaborated. They owe him a lot.

[Paul1642]

Clearly numerous holes in my Euros captains post which was pulled from google. I CBA amending as my post doest actually make a point to be honest 😂

[The Modfather]

He played in a every week in a Hibs side that finished 3rd. He's one of our only players who has been successful in a Hibs shirt.

As did Gogic & Paul McGinn.

[CapitalGreen]

Newell should not be a starter in a Hibs team wanting to be successful. We need a better standard. He's a one good game in three at best and that's being generous.

:agree: 100%

[Tyler Durden]

Much the same as I got researching it though in fairness it took me abit longer than you 😂.

Alot of non midfielders as captains , wondering if say like in Italy's case where the vice captain can take over talking to the referee instead . Maybe there's abit of flexibility on the rule that way .

I think McTominay is the only player who was booked for approaching the ref so far - another example where we got a raw deal from the refs.

Few others booked for dissent more generally but plenty of non captains are talking to the ref without punishment.

[Aldo]

Newell should not be a starter in a Hibs team wanting to be successful. We need a better standard. He's a one good game in three at best and that's being generous.

Pretty much where I am.

[Spudster]

Whether Newell should be Captain or not has been well debated above but just to throw into the Captain debate that Marv has been the Captain at Blackpool and could be an alternative.

Dunno why but I don't the thought of a new player being captain. Remember Aberdeen recently signed a player in the summer, made him captain then loaned him out in January :greengrin

[CapitalGreen]

I think McTominay is the only player who was booked for approaching the ref so far - another example where we got a raw deal from the refs.

Few others booked for dissent more generally but plenty of non captains are talking to the ref without punishment.

Donnarumma got booked for approaching the ref even though he actually is the captain.

[MWHIBBIES]

As did Gogic & Paul McGinn.

Is this supposed to prove something? Paul Mcginn was very good for us. Great, flexible, option enable us to switch between 3 and 4 at the back easily.

Gogic a limited destroyer. Replaced with JDH that summer.

Newell a much better player than both.

[The Modfather]

Is this supposed to prove something? Paul Mcginn was very good for us. Great, flexible, option enable us to switch between 3 and 4 at the back easily.

Gogic a limited destroyer. Replaced with JDH that summer.

Newell a much better player than both.

I merely highlighted them to show that being part of a team that finished 3rd 3 or 4 years ago isn’t particularly relevant in 2024. Both Gogic and Paul McGinn were good solid players who played their part that season, but no one is advocating bringing them back despite being part of a team that finished 3rd.

[nonshinyfinish]

I think McTominay is the only player who was booked for approaching the ref so far - another example where we got a raw deal from the refs.

Few others booked for dissent more generally but plenty of non captains are talking to the ref without punishment.

It's really hard to judge this stuff without knowing exactly what was said. Just going on how it appears on tv, it seems like a 'FFS ref' in response to the whistle passes without comment, but an attempt to keep arguing beyond that gets a warning (presumably the ref saying 'piss off or you're getting booked'). McTominay may have been unlucky if that one ref has applied the rule more strictly than the others, or maybe he said something that caused the ref to book him immediately.

Like I said, it's just guesswork comparing different incidents without knowing what was said.


Donnarumma got booked for approaching the ref even though he actually is the captain.

I assume this might be because Italy had a nominated outfield player who could talk to the ref, meaning that Donnarumma couldn't.

Overall it seems to have been effective in stopping players mobbing the ref. I'm not a big fan of the idea in principle, because it seems like encouraging the ref to treat players like schoolkids rather than adults. I'd prefer if they controlled dissent by applying the previously existing rules – i.e. dishing out yellows left and right if players surround the ref – but if this is the approach that works then fair enough.

[SHODAN]

Think Newell will surprise a few this season.

[ekhibee]

I wish you hadn’t asked. 10 mins of research I won’t get back ��

Is the captain a midfielder

Yes:

Germany - Gundogan
Hungary - Dominik Szoboszlai
Switzerland- Granite Xhaka
Croatia - Luka Modric
Belgium - KDB
Romania - Nicolae Stanciu
Ukraine - Andriy Yarmolenko
Turkey - Hakan Calhanoglu
Czech - Tomáš Souček

No:

Scotland - Robertson
Spain - Álvaro Morata
Italy - Leonardo Bonucci
Albania - Etrit Berisha
Slovenia - Jan Oblak
Serbia - Simon Kjær
England - Harry Kane
Poland - Lewandowski
Netherlands - Van Dijk
France - Mbappe
Austria - David Alaba
Slovakia - Milan Skriniar
Georgia - Guram Kashia
Portugal - Ronaldo


All of these were presumably captains before the rule came in so were unlikely to be changed. It would be future captain decisions that may or may not be affected I guess.
Just out of curiosity, has Alaba actually played yet for Austria in the current Euros, he might have done as I haven't seen every game they played in. I remember him being really good in either the last Euro's or the World Cup.

[nonshinyfinish]

Just out of curiosity, has Alaba actually played yet for Austria in the current Euros, he might have done as I haven't seen every game they played in. I remember him being really good in either the last Euro's or the World Cup.

He's injured but has been brought along for moral support, a bit like Boyle at the 2022 WC.

[Donegal Hibby]

Newell should not be a starter in a Hibs team wanting to be successful. We need a better standard. He's a one good game in three at best and that's being generous.

:agree:

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

I'd be happier seeing Newell as the captain rather than Boyle. He's got the broad shoulders that are required to be the resident boo-boy and that's an open position now that wee Lewis has gone. I'm thinking that Boyle is already planning for Down-Under. No qualms about that, as he owes us nothing, but that's not what you need to see in a Captain. I'd switch the pens away from Boyle as well, and give them to Vente.

[lucky]

Has to be Newell as captain. None of us know if any of the new signings will be any good. I think it's highly unlikely Hibs will be getting rid of Newell or signing 4 midfield players. I think he's the best footballer at the club.

[McD]

He played in a every week in a Hibs side that finished 3rd. He's one of our only players who has been successful in a Hibs shirt.

To be fair, he also played every week in a team that looked very poor under Maloney, LJ and Monty. Both are equally true

[McD]

I wish you hadn’t asked. 10 mins of research I won’t get back 😂

Is the captain a midfielder

Yes:

Germany - Gundogan
Hungary - Dominik Szoboszlai
Switzerland- Granite Xhaka
Croatia - Luka Modric
Belgium - KDB
Romania - Nicolae Stanciu
Ukraine - Andriy Yarmolenko
Turkey - Hakan Calhanoglu
Czech - Tomáš Souček

No:

Scotland - Robertson
Spain - Álvaro Morata
Italy - Leonardo Bonucci
Albania - Etrit Berisha
Slovenia - Jan Oblak
Serbia - Simon Kjær
England - Harry Kane
Poland - Lewandowski
Netherlands - Van Dijk
France - Mbappe
Austria - David Alaba
Slovakia - Milan Skriniar
Georgia - Guram Kashia
Portugal - Ronaldo


All of these were presumably captains before the rule came in so were unlikely to be changed. It would be future captain decisions that may or may not be affected I guess.



I think in Italy’s case, it’s the player with the most caps who is captain

[PH91]

:agree:

You want to get rid of Newell for not being good enough but bring in Triantis. Quite incredible.

[RIP]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/players/joenewell

Joe Newell's biography from the Hibs website shows the high regard in which he's held on the staff.

Not only did the players vote him POTY a year ago but supporters also voted him their POTY too.

Ever since Rob Jones was at the club it's been a theme with a small minority to try and undermine a Hibs captain. Paul Hanlon too.

Yet I never hear so much negative chat about club captains on my supporters bus, at the HSA, or in the East Stand.

Why just online, must be a reason.

[CapitalGreen]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/players/joenewell

Joe Newell's biography from the Hibs website shows the high regard in which he's held on the staff.

Not only did the players vote him POTY a year ago but supporters also voted him their POTY too.

Ever since Rob Jones was at the club it's been a theme with a small minority to try and undermine a Hibs captain. Paul Hanlon too.

Yet I never hear so much negative chat about Joe on my supporters bus, at the HSA, or in the East Stand.

Why just online, must be a reason.

You never hear people constantly blabbering on about the difference between a manager and head coach in these places either but here we are.

[Chipper1875]

You want to get rid of Newell for not being good enough but bring in Triantis. Quite incredible.

In fairness he doesn’t go to the games at he thinks rocky is a baller

[truehibernian]

Big season for Joe Newell, might benefit from having strong characters behind him (the new additions) and he can concentrate more on his game. Getting a creative 10 might also help him. But he really needs to stamp authority on games more. I’m a huge critic of him because he’s clearly got the ability, but he needs that innate desire to be for every game and impose himself more.

[Donegal Hibby]

In fairness he doesn’t go to the games at he thinks rocky is a baller

You seem to think your some sort of authority on Hibs because you go to games and others don't so their opinions wrong . A sad attitude to have ! .

I didn't say Rocky was a baller , I said that wasn't one of the guys weaknesses .

Wrong again but nice try all the same .

[Donegal Hibby]

You want to get rid of Newell for not being good enough but bring in Triantis. Quite incredible.

Don't think I said I wanted rid of him there though agree with the OP he probably shouldn't be starting every week because his form is so up and down .

Newells also 31 and a CM . Triantis is only young and will get better and looks good as a DM which is a position we are imo abit light In.

https://x.com/charlieb1875/status/1791423140817428667

[J-C]

I met Newell today at M&S Kinnaird Pk, said training was tough as expected and very happy Gray got the job, I asked about any extension and he just said we'll see and smiled, nice bloke BTW.

[ekhibee]

I met Newell today at M&S Kinnaird Pk, said training was tough as expected and very happy Gray got the job, I asked about any extension and he just said we'll see and smiled, nice bloke BTW.

Not sure what you meant by extension? He just signed a new 3 year extension last season? Apologies if I misunderstood what you meant.

[1875Sean]

Not sure what you meant by extension? He just signed a new 3 year extension last season? Apologies if I misunderstood what you meant.

His contract is up next season

[RIP]

You never hear people constantly blabbering on about the difference between a manager and head coach in these places either but here we are.

🤣
That bee flew out ma bonnet when I realised it was the meeja to blame for giving David Gray the wrong job title. You can hardly blame our fan base when the so called fitba journalists cannae get it right.

According to the EEN journos the Hibs Manager has signed 3 players.

Yet SDG has been at East Mains all day every day coaching the squad and preparing for Edinburgh City and Elgin. The first time he met the new signings was on their first day of training.

I've realised that people quite like old terminology. All that matters is that Malky continues to bring players in and leaves Gray to train the lads.😃

[Chipper1875]

You seem to think your some sort of authority on Hibs because you go to games and others don't so their opinions wrong . A sad attitude to have ! .

I didn't say Rocky was a baller , I said that wasn't one of the guys weaknesses .

Wrong again but nice try all the same .

Call me old fashioned but going to the games seems
pretty sensible way watch hibs . Not sure how else one could asses a player

[CapitalGreen]

🤣
That bee flew out ma bonnet when I realised it was the meeja to blame for giving David Gray the wrong job title. You can hardly blame our fan base when the so called fitba journalists cannae get it right.

According to the EEN journos the Hibs Manager has signed 3 players.

Yet SDG has been at East Mains all day every day coaching the squad and preparing for Edinburgh City and Elgin. The first time he met the new signings was on their first day of training.

I've realised that people quite like old terminology. All that matters is that Malky continues to bring players in and leaves Gray to train the lads.😃

The part in bold is incorrect.

[Chipper1875]

The part in bold is incorrect.

Spot on . SDG spoke to all players before they signed .

[B.H.F.C]

🤣
That bee flew out ma bonnet when I realised it was the meeja to blame for giving David Gray the wrong job title. You can hardly blame our fan base when the so called fitba journalists cannae get it right.

According to the EEN journos the Hibs Manager has signed 3 players.

Yet SDG has been at East Mains all day every day coaching the squad and preparing for Edinburgh City and Elgin. The first time he met the new signings was on their first day of training.

I've realised that people quite like old terminology. All that matters is that Malky continues to bring players in and leaves Gray to train the lads.😃

Quote from Malky McKay in the press today.

“Nothing will be getting done at this football club without David’s complete involvement”

O’Hora also spoke about speaking with Gray in his interview.

[Donegal Hibby]

Call me old fashioned but going to the games seems
pretty sensible way watch hibs . Not sure how else one could asses a player

There's a lot of people around the world watching the Euros at the minute , lots aren't at the games though doesn't stop them forming their own opinions in asseSSing players or countries performances .

Probably is a old fashioned view to have alright.

[Smartie]

Think Newell will surprise a few this season.

With a few more Paul McGinns and Alex Gogics around, he has every chance.

All were good players in a decent Hibs team.

[Chipper1875]

There's a lot of people around the world watching the Euros at the minute , lots aren't at the games though doesn't stop them forming their own opinions in asseSSing players or countries performances .

Probably is a old fashioned view to have alright.

Hardly any hibs games are live on tv … so not sure how you can watch games

[Aldo]

Hardly any hibs games are live on tv … so not sure how you can watch games

Quite easily tbh if you have the relevant stick!!

[Callum_62]

Hardly any hibs games are live on tv … so not sure how you can watch gamesWelcome to the year 2000 [emoji28][emoji23]

Sent from my Pixel 7 Pro using Tapatalk

[Paul1642]

Hardly any hibs games are live on tv … so not sure how you can watch games

Hibs TV + VPN or IPTV

[Chipper1875]

Hibs TV + VPN or IPTV

Lost me mate . I’m useless with technology

[.Sean.]

Joe Newell is a past POTY.

I think he will be an even better player and captain under David Gray next season. He so reminds me of Beuzy, who was also regularly man-marked by the opposition who targeted him as our lynchpin.

He needs better players alongside him.
😂😂😂😂

Boozy is one of the best players we’ve had over the last 20 years. And btw I don’t mind Newell at all, but he couldn’t lace Boozys boots

As for captain, Obita for me

[blackpoolhibs]

Hardly any hibs games are live on tv … so not sure how you can watch games

99.9% of Hibs games are live to watch on tv.:confused:

[Donegal Hibby]

Hardly any hibs games are live on tv … so not sure how you can watch games

Is that right? 😂

[Bostonhibby]

Quite easily tbh if you have the relevant stick!!I watch more with a bit of help than it's possible for me to attend as well.

Bizarrely I find I can follow what's happening in more detail than I generally can when I'm at Easter Road and even get the benefit of looking at incidents again earlier than when I'm at the ground, and more than once as well.

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[Chipper1875]

Is that right? 😂

Was it like 4 games on sky

[Tambo]

Lost me mate . I’m useless with technology

Lots of illegal streams available for those who can't attend, I missed a few due to work but I watched 99% of the games either at Easter Road or on TV.

A bit harsh to criticise if the guy can't attend all the time, if he could then I'm sure he would 👍

[RIP]

Spot on . SDG spoke to all players before they signed .

When I said they hadn't met I didn't say they hadn't spoke.

Many years ago, Graeme Mackie had videos made featuring a tour of Edinburgh, tour of ER and EM, club history and key moments such as European ties against Real, Napoli and Sporting. They will have added the Cup win and SOL moments in 2016.

The club also makes effective use of Zoom. But all three signings spoke in glowing terms of their dealings with Malky and how he sold them on coming to us.

Then they sign, arrive for training and meet David, his fellow coaches and the rest of the lads. Going well so far 👍

[CapitalGreen]

When I said they hadn't met I didn't say they hadn't spoke.

Many years ago, Graeme Mackie had videos made featuring a tour of Edinburgh, tour of ER and EM, club history and key moments such as European ties against Real, Napoli and Sporting. They will have added the Cup win and SOL moments in 2016.

The club also makes effective use of Zoom. But all three signings spoke in glowing terms of their dealings with Malky and how he sold them on coming to us.

Then they sign, arrive for training and meet David, his fellow coaches and the rest of the lads. Going well so far 👍

Our manager David Gray, met the players in person before they signed. He didn’t just meet them for the first time on their first day of training.

[B.H.F.C]

When I said they hadn't met I didn't say they hadn't spoke.

Many years ago, Graeme Mackie had videos made featuring a tour of Edinburgh, tour of ER and EM, club history and key moments such as European ties against Real, Napoli and Sporting. They will have added the Cup win and SOL moments in 2016.

The club also makes effective use of Zoom. But all three signings spoke in glowing terms of their dealings with Malky and how he sold them on coming to us.

Then they sign, arrive for training and meet David, his fellow coaches and the rest of the lads. Going well so far 👍

I can’t actually work out if you’re being serious or just continuing with this whole ‘Head Coach’ for a laugh now.

McKay has literally said nothing happens without Gray’s input.

[Chipper1875]

I can’t actually work out if you’re being serious or just continuing with this whole ‘Head Coach’ for a laugh now.

McKay has literally said nothing happens without Gray’s input.

Yeah , confusing. I sense trying to say players getting imposed on SDG

[Chipper1875]

When I said they hadn't met I didn't say they hadn't spoke.

Many years ago, Graeme Mackie had videos made featuring a tour of Edinburgh, tour of ER and EM, club history and key moments such as European ties against Real, Napoli and Sporting. They will have added the Cup win and SOL moments in 2016.

The club also makes effective use of Zoom. But all three signings spoke in glowing terms of their dealings with Malky and how he sold them on coming to us.

Then they sign, arrive for training and meet David, his fellow coaches and the rest of the lads. Going well so far 👍

Zoom, telephone , in Person…. If your Aunty had baws she’d be your uncle.

Mathie is yesterdays man . Punted for messing up transfers.

[RIP]

The idea that players are getting imposed on our Head Coach is laughable. Nobody is suggesting anything of the kind.

Mathie messing up transfers is made up nonsense too. Another Kensell/Gordon balls up but past history now.

Joseph Bursik told us in his interview that he met the gaffer at HTC. Warren had been to the place before he signed. Happy to admit that my concerns that DG was late in the process were ill-founded.

I like the fact that Malky is doing all the approaches to players. Here's hoping that most of them work out. I sense that he's tough enough to take the flak if any don't.

Really feeling positive about a home spun management team rather than those with no SPL experience. As for David Gray, I don't think he is bothered about his job title. The lads will still rightly regard him as 'The Gaffer'.

[Keith_M]

…. If your Aunty had baws she’d be your uncle.....


Maybe 20 years ago but not nowadays



...bl**dy Greens and SNP :grr: