David Moyes

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Now please 👍

[andrew70]

Too similar tactics to Clarke imo

[DH1875]

Clarke going nowhere IMO.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Too similar tactics to Clarke imo

Seriously? 🙄

[Hiber-nation]

Too similar tactics to Clarke imo

Well he was moaning about how negative we were.

[Vault Boy]

Would be an excellent pick. Think he’s got everything it takes to be a superb international manager.

[Pretty Boy]

I'd take him and he might fancy it.

I think Clarke has taken us about as far as he can and a fresh pair of eyes wouldn't hurt. I think he'll get the WC qualifiers though and go when we fail to qualify.

[Doh Rae Me]

I like Moyes, hopefully Clarke resigns tonight.

[Smartie]

I take it those moaning about Clarke’s negativity have never watched a David Moyes team?

I’m not against Moyes getting the job at some point, I think he’s a clever man who can pick up results in the right environment.

But swashbuckling attacking football it won’t be.

[bingo70]

I take it those moaning about Clarke’s negativity have never watched a David Moyes team?

I’m not against Moyes getting the job at some point, I think he’s a clever man who can pick up results in the right environment.

But swashbuckling attacking football it won’t be.

I think that’s the problem, people want to watch an attacking Scotland side with exciting forward thinking players but we just don’t have the forward players for that.

I really like Moyes but if he got the job. He would do exactly the same as Clarke has done but he’s probably also likely to dismiss the Scottish premier league and rely on anyone based in English football he can get as he’s never really experienced modern football in Scotland.

If Clarke chooses to leave then Moyes is the obvious replacement and he could possibly do better but there’s no point chasing Clarke out the door to replace him with Moyes.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

I liked what Moyes was saying, but I took umbrage to his constant use of saying Scotland was a small nation so we done well to get there. Nah, Denmark a nation of similar size won the Euros, Croatia with 1m less got to the World Cup final. If that's the level of his ambition, not sure I think he's Scotland's next manager tbf.

[bingo70]

I liked what Moyes was saying, but I took umbrage to his constant use of saying Scotland was a small nation so we done well to get there. Nah, Denmark a nation of similar size won the Euros, Croatia with 1m less got to the World Cup final. If that's the level of his ambition, not sure I think he's Scotland's next manager tbf.

They did what they did with great players though.

We need a manager to hide how ***** we are, Clarke has done a pretty decent job of that. I get people crave more for our national team but our issues go above the head coach.

Until we produce match winners and game changers, having a team of hard workers doing their best will be as far as we can do.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

They did what they did with great players though.

We need a manager to hide how ***** we are, Clarke has done a pretty decent job of that. I get people crave more for our national team but our issues go above the head coach.

Until we produce match winners and game changers, having a team of hard workers doing their best will be as far as we can do.

That's the thing though. We need to do it with great players. Why can't we produce great players? Other nations do it. Wales with Bale and Giggs. Denmark with the Laudrup brother's. Croatia with Modric. Scotland have not produced a world class player since when, Dalglish? Why?

[CapitalGreen]

I take it those moaning about Clarke’s negativity have never watched a David Moyes team?

I’m not against Moyes getting the job at some point, I think he’s a clever man who can pick up results in the right environment.

But swashbuckling attacking football it won’t be.

His “boring” West Ham outscored De Zerbi’s Brighton, Silva’s Fulham, Iraola’s Bournemouth and Frank’s Brentford. In fact only 7 teams outscored West Ham last season while only the relegated sides conceded more.

The idea Moyes is a defensive manager who doesn’t play attacking football is outdated. Pacqueta, Bowen and Kudus were one of the most exciting units in the league last season.

[bingo70]

That's the thing though. We need to do it with great players. Why can't we produce great players? Other nations do it. Wales with Bale and Giggs. Denmark with the Laudrup brother's. Croatia with Modric. Scotland have not produced a world class player since when, Dalglish? Why?

I couldn’t agree more and I could rant for hours about it.

I think that’s a different discussion about who the head coach should be though. The head coach can only make do with what they’ve got and I think Moyes would face the same issues Clarke has.

I know people speaking Shankland playing and I get why, he might have sneaked a goal but he wouldn’t change the way we play form a defensive ti an attacking side.

[neil7908]

I just can't get my head around folk wanting Clarke out because he's too negative, only to shout loudly for Moyes to get the job 😂😂😂.

Out of the frying pan into the fire imo.

[oneone73]

That's the thing though. We need to do it with great players. Why can't we produce great players? Other nations do it. Wales with Bale and Giggs. Denmark with the Laudrup brother's. Croatia with Modric. Scotland have not produced a world class player since when, Dalglish? Why?
We have. But he's a left back

[Silky]

That's the thing though. We need to do it with great players. Why can't we produce great players? Other nations do it. Wales with Bale and Giggs. Denmark with the Laudrup brother's. Croatia with Modric. Scotland have not produced a world class player since when, Dalglish? Why?

I think a lot of it is societal. Walk around many areas of Edinburgh and there are signs up saying "no ball games" despite there being patches of grass etc where kids could play. Facilities for kids to play are terrible; grass cuttings are left strewn around pitched making them virtually unplayable. I live near Portobello High and the pitches are closed all the time, unless there are matches on. Lying empty when kids could be using them during the holidays. There is a saying in grassroots football of let them play, but it's really, really difficult to do that when places are constantly closed or poorly maintained.

[Swedish hibee]

His “boring” West Ham outscored De Zerbi’s Brighton, Silva’s Fulham, Iraola’s Bournemouth and Frank’s Brentford. In fact only 7 teams outscored West Ham last season while only the relegated sides conceded more.

The idea Moyes is a defensive manager who doesn’t play attacking football is outdated. Pacqueta, Bowen and Kudus were one of the most exciting units in the league last season.

Well said.

[heretoday]

Not Moyesie please! Those mad staring eyes.........

He doesn't need all that angst surely?

[Alfiembra]

I think a lot of it is societal. Walk around many areas of Edinburgh and there are signs up saying "no ball games" despite there being patches of grass etc where kids could play. Facilities for kids to play are terrible; grass cuttings are left strewn around pitched making them virtually unplayable. I live near Portobello High and the pitches are closed all the time, unless there are matches on. Lying empty when kids could be using them during the holidays. There is a saying in grassroots football of let them play, but it's really, really difficult to do that when places are constantly closed or poorly maintained.

100% this the lack of maintenance of parks and playing fields is a disgrace, also we now have a generation of parents that have grown up in the digital age where Facebook and gaming are more important, sit on their phones all the time and don’t “play” with their kids or encourage sports.

[Since452]

I think he's taken us as far as he can. Thanks for all your work but time for a change.

[He's here!]

Moves is a very good manager. Everton have rarely been anything more than relegation candidates since he left them.

Other clubs will be interested in him but if he's eying retirement in a few years then the Scotland job might appeal as a final port of call.

[Pretty Boy]

100% this the lack of maintenance of parks and playing fields is a disgrace, also we now have a generation of parents that have grown up in the digital age where Facebook and gaming are more important, sit on their phones all the time and don’t “play” with their kids or encourage sports.

I don't buy the whole 'it's cause of Playstations and Facebook' stuff. It's an argument that has been trotted out for years but I'm not convinced it stacks up. Sony and Meta haven't targeted Scotland exclusively whilst ignoring other countries, some of comparable size and socio-economic status, who still produce good players. Social media and gaming is a worldwide phenomenon.

Very few players are plucked off the streets now, the 'tanner ba' player if you like. Scotland's problems are down to poor facilities, poor infrastructure, poor development pathways and far too many really poor coaches. A huge investment in getting a lot more guys up to the required standard and then continuous assessment to keep them there is the long term answer to some of the problems. Too many coaches in youth football turn up, get a certificate and walk away totally unfit for the role they are in. It's hard to criticise them because they are guys willing to give up their time but take a walk to any public park on a Saturday or Sunday morning and you'll see the issue in startling clarity. Something akin to the changes France made after their flops in the early 90s, a commitment that no talented youngster would ever fall through the cracks again. Forcing club teams to get young players in the team rather than treating them as projects until they are 22 or 23.

We have this hand wringing and navel gazing every time the national team flounders though and nothing ever changes. There is minimal desire at the top, both government and SFA, to drive the change so we'll be here again in 2, 4, 6 and 8 years time saying the same things and having the same debates.

[Trinity Hibee]

I don't buy the whole 'it's cause of Playstations and Facebook' stuff. It's an argument that has been trotted out for years but I'm not convinced it stacks up. Sony and Meta haven't targeted Scotland exclusively whilst ignoring other countries, some of comparable size and socio-economic status, who still produce good players. Social media and gaming is a worldwide phenomenon.

Very few players are plucked off the streets now, the 'tanner ba' player if you like. Scotland's problems are down to poor facilities, poor infrastructure, poor development pathways and far too many really poor coaches. A huge investment in getting a lot more guys up to the required standard and then continuous assessment to keep them there is the long term answer to some of the problems. Too many coaches in youth football turn up, get a certificate and walk away totally unfit for the role they are in. It's hard to criticise them because they are guys willing to give up their time but take a walk to any public park on a Saturday or Sunday morning and you'll see the issue in startling clarity. Something akin to the changes France made after their flops in the early 90s, a commitment that no talented youngster would ever fall through the cracks again. Forcing club teams to get young players in the team rather than treating them as projects until they are 22 or 23.

We have this hand wringing and navel gazing every time the national team flounders though and nothing ever changes. There is minimal desire at the top, both government and SFA, to drive the change so we'll be here again in 2, 4, 6 and 8 years time saying the same things and having the same debates.

As a club ourselves we haven’t produced enough good talent the past 20 years. Same can be said for every other club in the county including the OF

[Pretty Boy]

As a club ourselves we haven’t produced enough good talent the past 20 years. Same can be said for every other club in the county including the OF

Absolutely. Since the golden generation we have produced about 4 players who have been first team regulars for any notable length of time and there aren't many knocking on the door from the current set up.

I maintain we should be forcing clubs to have at least 4 under 21 players in every match day squad, with the number of named subs now there isn't any real reason why that would be a massive handicap. It was a slow burner and he never really saw the benefit of it but Arsene Wenger was forced to play 2 young strikers at Monaco when such stipulations were put in place in France, Thierry Henry and David Trezeguet. I wonder if they ever achieved much?

It won't happen though. Much like massive investment in top of the range facilities won't happen nor investment in improved coaching or bigger and better regional academies or a whole host of things that work elsewhere so it's a pointless discussion. We are destined to be the 'just happy to be there' guys every 15-20 years.

[scm70nyd1973]

I don't buy the whole 'it's cause of Playstations and Facebook' stuff. It's an argument that has been trotted out for years but I'm not convinced it stacks up. Sony and Meta haven't targeted Scotland exclusively whilst ignoring other countries, some of comparable size and socio-economic status, who still produce good players. Social media and gaming is a worldwide phenomenon.

Very few players are plucked off the streets now, the 'tanner ba' player if you like. Scotland's problems are down to poor facilities, poor infrastructure, poor development pathways and far too many really poor coaches. A huge investment in getting a lot more guys up to the required standard and then continuous assessment to keep them there is the long term answer to some of the problems. Too many coaches in youth football turn up, get a certificate and walk away totally unfit for the role they are in. It's hard to criticise them because they are guys willing to give up their time but take a walk to any public park on a Saturday or Sunday morning and you'll see the issue in startling clarity. Something akin to the changes France made after their flops in the early 90s, a commitment that no talented youngster would ever fall through the cracks again. Forcing club teams to get young players in the team rather than treating them as projects until they are 22 or 23.

We have this hand wringing and navel gazing every time the national team flounders though and nothing ever changes. There is minimal desire at the top, both government and SFA, to drive the change so we'll be here again in 2, 4, 6 and 8 years time saying the same things and having the same debates.

Re the government investment - if there is too little then it should be increased as it is short sighted - just look at the praise of the Tartan Army in Germany and what it has probably done for the Scottish tourism industry - hard to measure but it must have had some impact. But we are talking politicians of course 😡

[Scooter]

Good manager but would jump ship 1st sniff of something else like the celtic job

[andrew70]

Seriously? 🙄

For all the boo boys aye.

Exactly the same reason West Ham fans wanted him out.