Offside Rule

[Donegal Hibby]

After watching the Belgium v Romania game , that's another goal Lukaku has chalked off . He now has more goals chalked off than the top scorer in the competition has so far .

Going back to our semi final against Aberdeen when Boyles goal was chalked off or the Coventry City goal against Man Utd in the semi final.

Is the current offside rule with the help of VAR spoiling the game to a degree now?

[7Hero]

Absolutley.

Give them half a Boot doubt. if less than half the forwards boot is offside don't give it. We used to give the strikers the benefit of the doubt (Supposedly) why not give them the benefit of half a boot ?

[matty_f]

Absolutley.

Give them half a Boot doubt. if less than half the forwards boot is offside don't give it. We used to give the strikers the benefit of the doubt (Supposedly) why not give them the benefit of half a boot ?

You'd still have folk missing out by centimetres, and folk with bigger feet have an advantage. The offside rule isn't bad, it's scientific application is seen as negative but that's because we focus on those ones and not the marginal onsides that VAR sorts out to award goals (we've benefited from VAR giving an onside where the linesman had incorrectly flagged us offside. Whatever cut off point you apply, there will always be marginal decisions either way.

[RyeSloan]

You'd still have folk missing out by centimetres, and folk with bigger feet have an advantage. The offside rule isn't bad, it's scientific application is seen as negative but that's because we focus on those ones and not the marginal onsides that VAR sorts out to award goals (we've benefited from VAR giving an onside where the linesman had incorrectly flagged us offside. Whatever cut off point you apply, there will always be marginal decisions either way.

Exactly. The main arguments against the current rule appear to just create another decision line.

But I suppose if you move that decision line back…be it to the boot or ‘daylight’ or whatever you might see more goals allowed, it won’t however remove the millimetre decisions as those exist no matter where you (literally l!) draw the line.

I like the semi automated quickness of these decisions though, very impressive!

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

It's a strange one as technically it is offside. Pre VAR that is never going to be given as its so marginal, unlikely that a linesman is going to flag. The worst thing about what we've had recently is the time it takes to make a decision. Boyles semi goal v Aberdeen was an obvious example. If a decision can be made within seconds then maybe that's the way ahead.

[jakedance]

My solution to this is to make the lines thicker and if they overlap at all you’re onside. Essentially giving more advantage to attackers and making level with the last defender onside again.

[Carheenlea]

Do away with the lines altogether and make decisions based on what the naked eye can see.

You’ll see the return of being bang in line and keeping onside, a long traditional art that has been banished from the game in favour of more sterile decision making.

Allow refs to watch reruns of incidents if they so desire, but don’t permit the lines drawn on screens to assist them.

[gbhibby]

After watching the Belgium v Romania game , that's another goal Lukaku has chalked off . He now has more goals chalked off than the top scorer in the competition has so far .

Going back to our semi final against Aberdeen when Boyles goal was chalked off or the Coventry City goal against Man Utd in the semi final.

Is the current offside rule with the help of VAR spoiling the game to a degree now?
Yes, would prefer that the whole of body was offside so that the fine margins favoured the attacking team.

[AngloHibs]

Personally I think VAR is over-analysing things. Is its purpose still to reduce 'clear and obvious errors', or has its remit been officially broadened?

If a decision can't be made, with multiple camera angles available, within about 10 seconds, then nothing is 'clear and obvious' so the referee's decision should stand. No drawing lines, measuring toenails etc, just get on with it!

[lugz]

I really like the semi automated offsides that are in the euros and are being introduced in England next season. None of this drawing the line nonsense, unfortunately can’t see it being implemented up here.

[Eyrie]

VAR only operates at the top level so there is an easy solution for offsides.

Players at the top level all wear trackers nowadays so the positions given by the trackers should be used to determine whether an attacker is ahead of the last defender or onside. The result would be known almost instantly and would be a matter of fact rather than using VAR to guess the correct frame to draw a line through a player's toe nails or nasal hair.

Lower levels currently rely on linesmen and would continue to do so.

[7Hero]

You'd still have folk missing out by centimetres, and folk with bigger feet have an advantage. The offside rule isn't bad, it's scientific application is seen as negative but that's because we focus on those ones and not the marginal onsides that VAR sorts out to award goals (we've benefited from VAR giving an onside where the linesman had incorrectly flagged us offside. Whatever cut off point you apply, there will always be marginal decisions either way.

yes there is that of course..

but all the goals mentioned would have been given. and tons more, wed remove this he's a millimetre offside.

[Eyrie]

yes there is that of course..

but all the goals mentioned would have been given. and tons more, wed remove this he's a millimetre offside.

All you'd be doing is moving that debatable millimetre from the tip of the boot to half way along it.

[7Hero]

Exactly. The main arguments against the current rule appear to just create another decision line.

But I suppose if you move that decision line back…be it to the boot or ‘daylight’ or whatever you might see more goals allowed, it won’t however remove the millimetre decisions as those exist no matter where you (literally l!) draw the line.

I like the semi automated quickness of these decisions though, very impressive!

well ok, but you'd be giving a lot more goals, there has been tons we have looked at which have been a baw hair, they would all be given. Think that would make a huge difference.

maybe rather than half a foot we go with an amount of Bawhairs instead.

[7Hero]

All you'd be doing is moving that debatable millimetre from the tip of the boot to half way along it.

im aware of that , but im allowing more goals...

[7Hero]

You'd still have folk missing out by centimetres, and folk with bigger feet have an advantage. The offside rule isn't bad, it's scientific application is seen as negative but that's because we focus on those ones and not the marginal onsides that VAR sorts out to award goals (we've benefited from VAR giving an onside where the linesman had incorrectly flagged us offside. Whatever cut off point you apply, there will always be marginal decisions either way.

Aye matty but the Bawhair decisions will be given. And that's the big issue here, should be some tolerance, yes the line moves / of course it does - but if it's a bawhair offside just give it FFS !.

Im really dissapointed no-one on here thinks my idea is genius, i thought it up sober too..

[matty_f]

Aye matty but the Bawhair decisions will be given. And that's the big issue here, should be some tolerance, yes the line moves / of course it does - but if it's a bawhair offside just give it FFS !.

Im really dissapointed no-one on here thinks my idea is genius, i thought it up sober too..
:faf:

[7Hero]

:faf:

Forget the half foot , just do a foot..

No debate then.

If you have big feet then you'll become a seriously in demand striker..

I've just doubled lukakus market value.

[7Hero]

I look forward to you using my genius idea on your show too.. I'll be tuning in, now don't disappoint ..

[SlickShoes]

It doesnt matter where the line is, wherever the line is decided to be you will have players offside by 1mm due to the the deciding factor being determined by machines with that accuracy level.

Moving the line does nothing, this is just the reality of passing the task off to robots instead of humans.

[Lancs Harp]

It doesnt matter where the line is, wherever the line is decided to be you will have players offside by 1mm due to the the deciding factor being determined by machines with that accuracy level.

Moving the line does nothing, this is just the reality of passing the task off to robots instead of humans.

This

[MWHIBBIES]

It's not a subjective rule. You are offside or you're not. The Lukaku one was the correct decision. Doesn't matter about gaining an advantage.

The interfering with play nonsense is subjective and needs clear clarification.

VAR has been excellent at this Euros apart from idiot PGMOL refs taking ages in Holland France.

[Donegal Hibby]

Yes, would prefer that the whole of body was offside so that the fine margins favoured the attacking team.

So would I . This checking everything to see if someone's big toe is offside I think is going to far and situations are getting over analyst .

Watching Portugal I thought Ronaldo done brilliantly to keep himself onside for one of their goals , is their maybe a case that the way the offside rule is now maybe favours the bigger teams that have better quality players too ?.

[Lancs Harp]

So would I . This checking everything to see if someone's big toe is offside I think is going to far and situations are getting over analyst .

Watching Portugal I thought Ronaldo done brilliantly to keep himself onside for one of their goals , is their maybe a case that the way the offside rule is now maybe favours the bigger teams that have better quality players too ?.

You'd still have is the whole body offside or not though, youve just moved the lines.

[matty_f]

I look forward to you using my genius idea on your show too.. I'll be tuning in, now don't disappoint ..

I will put it to Colin and John and see what they think!

[Donegal Hibby]

You'd still have is the whole body offside or not though, youve just moved the lines.

Though it would stop goals getting chalked off for this.....

https://images.app.goo.gl/WEZEqQKyWKbxrEXF9

The offside as it stands now with the aid of technology where near every goal is analyzed under a microscope isn't doing the game much good imo .

There must be a way of making it better than what's happening now for fans to enjoy / celebrate that one moments rush when their team hit the back of the net rather than waiting on repeated checks .

I do think football is losing out on something here by going all scientific with technology on this .

[McD]

It's not a subjective rule. You are offside or you're not. The Lukaku one was the correct decision. Doesn't matter about gaining an advantage.

The interfering with play nonsense is subjective and needs clear clarification.

VAR has been excellent at this Euros apart from idiot PGMOL refs taking ages in Holland France.



That goal being disallowed was a nonsense, the keeper didn’t even try to dive for it, then once the ball was passed him started gesturing about the Dutch player near him.

[MWHIBBIES]

That goal being disallowed was a nonsense, the keeper didn’t even try to dive for it, then once the ball was passed him started gesturing about the Dutch player near him.

Quite right from Maignan. You take any advantage you can. Id appeal too.

The problem is there is no clarity. Every decision is different and it causes havoc.

[crash]

You'd still have folk missing out by centimetres, and folk with bigger feet have an advantage. The offside rule isn't bad, it's scientific application is seen as negative but that's because we focus on those ones and not the marginal onsides that VAR sorts out to award goals (we've benefited from VAR giving an onside where the linesman had incorrectly flagged us offside. Whatever cut off point you apply, there will always be marginal decisions either way.
Surely folk with bigger feet are at a disadvantage.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'd make it if any part of your body is onside, then you are onside, would do away with 99% of the dodgy decisions.

[s.a.m]

I'd make it if any part of your body is onside, then you are onside, would do away with 99% of the dodgy decisions.

:aok::top marks

[marinello59]

I'd make it if any part of your body is onside, then you are onside, would do away with 99% of the dodgy decisions.

I like that idea. :agree:

[Paul1642]

I'd make it if any part of your body is onside, then you are onside, would do away with 99% of the dodgy decisions.

This is pretty much was has been dubbed the ‘Arsene Wenger offside rule’. It makes perfect sense to me and would make the game more exciting. It doesn’t remove the need for a line to be drawn and marginal offsides will still exist, but the benefit lies with the attacker equaling more goals.


“Under Wenger's proposal there must be "daylight" between the attacker and defender for an offside offence to occur. If any part of the attacker's body, from which they can score, is in line with the last defender then this is considered onside”

[MWHIBBIES]

I'd make it if any part of your body is onside, then you are onside, would do away with 99% of the dodgy decisions.

Would it? You can still be millimeters on or offside.

The rule right now isn't dodgy at all. Lukaku was offside.

It doesn't solve anything in the actual dodgy part of interfering with play when offside.

[Donegal Hibby]

Would it? You can still be millimeters on or offside.

The rule right now isn't dodgy at all. Lukaku was offside.

It doesn't solve anything in the actual dodgy part of interfering with play when offside.

Boyles goal in the semi final , Coventry's in their semi final and probably Lukaku goal / goals would have stood too .No need for VAR checks on any of them as they would be all onside under the Blackpool Hibs rule .

This idea I like instead having VAR checks on near every goal to see if somebody's big toes offside or not.

[MWHIBBIES]

Boyles goal in the semi final , Coventry's in their semi final and probably Lukaku goal / goals would have stood too .No need for VAR checks on any of them as they would be all onside under the Blackpool Hibs rule .

This idea I like instead having VAR checks on near every goal to see if somebody's big toes offside or not.

Okay. Why should they stand,though? They were offside.

They would still be VAR checked, everything is. They would now be checking for daylight. Exactly the same would happen. Still be millimeters in it, still have long checks etc. There is no form of offside rule which will not have VAR checks and close decisions.

[Hibbyradge]

I like that idea. :agree:

Defenders wouldn't.

[blackpoolhibs]

Okay. Why should they stand,though? They were offside.

They would still be VAR checked, everything is. They would now be checking for daylight. Exactly the same would happen. Still be millimeters in it, still have long checks etc. There is no form of offside rule which will not have VAR checks and close decisions.

Under my way or Wengers way you would not have anywhere near the amount of delays, no way we'd still have so many long checks.

[MWHIBBIES]

Under my way or Wengers way you would not have anywhere near the amount of delays, no way we'd still have so many long checks.

Why?

Also, been next to no big delays at the Euros. Lukaku one was sorted quickly.

[Paul1642]

Okay. Why should they stand,though? They were offside.

They would still be VAR checked, everything is. They would now be checking for daylight. Exactly the same would happen. Still be millimeters in it, still have long checks etc. There is no form of offside rule which will not have VAR checks and close decisions.

They shouldn’t stand because we are playing under the existing rules.

New rules however = more goals = more entertainment

[Pretty Boy]

The implementation of the current rules isn't wrong but the rule is.

I take the point that you still have to draw a line somewhere but the current rule massively benefits defenders. They can play a riskier line knowing that a striker can't mistime a run even by a fraction of a second because we are measuring the width of toenails when deciding offside decisions.

If the daylight rule was brought back you will still have decisions based on millimetres but the striker can play that wee bit more on the shoulder knowing they have that wee cushion they don't have now. That margin of error for the defender becomes far greater as the edge of a kneecap or the toe of a boot isn't going to swing it in their favour anymore.

[blackpoolhibs]

Okay. Why should they stand,though? They were offside.

They would still be VAR checked, everything is. They would now be checking for daylight. Exactly the same would happen. Still be millimeters in it, still have long checks etc. There is no form of offside rule which will not have VAR checks and close decisions.


Why?

, Also been next to no big delays at the Euros. Lukaku one was sorted quickly.

Which one is it then?

[blackpoolhibs]

The implementation of the current rules isn't wrong but the rule is.

I take the point that you still have to draw a line somewhere but the current rule massively benefits defenders. They can play a riskier line knowing that a striker can't mistime a run even by a fraction of a second because we are measuring the width of toenails when deciding offside decisions.

If the daylight rule was brought back you will still have decisions based on millimetres but the striker can play that wee bit more on the shoulder knowing they have that wee cushion they don't have now. That margin of error for the defender becomes far greater as the edge of a kneecap or the toe of a boot isn't going to swing it in their favour anymore.
:agree: you have to daft or want an argument for arguments sake not to see that.

[MWHIBBIES]

Which one is it then?

Well, if you have automated offside like the Euros, its very quick and good.

If you don't have it, and its upto **** scottish refs, its long and terrible.

So both.

Now, why would the blackpool hibs rule change anything?

[JohnM1875]

The implementation of the current rules isn't wrong but the rule is.

I take the point that you still have to draw a line somewhere but the current rule massively benefits defenders. They can play a riskier line knowing that a striker can't mistime a run even by a fraction of a second because we are measuring the width of toenails when deciding offside decisions.

If the daylight rule was brought back you will still have decisions based on millimetres but the striker can play that wee bit more on the shoulder knowing they have that wee cushion they don't have now. That margin of error for the defender becomes far greater as the edge of a kneecap or the toe of a boot isn't going to swing it in their favour anymore.

Don't disagree and I like the Wenger rule, but wouldn't that just mean teams basically defend on the edge of their box and leave no space in behind?

[MWHIBBIES]

:agree: you have to daft or want an argument for arguments sake not to see that.

Very unusual to see you resort to crap like this rather than explaining your opinion. Thank goodness Pretty Boy was here to do it for you.


The implementation of the current rules isn't wrong but the rule is.

I take the point that you still have to draw a line somewhere but the current rule massively benefits defenders. They can play a riskier line knowing that a striker can't mistime a run even by a fraction of a second because we are measuring the width of toenails when deciding offside decisions.

If the daylight rule was brought back you will still have decisions based on millimetres but the striker can play that wee bit more on the shoulder knowing they have that wee cushion they don't have now. That margin of error for the defender becomes far greater as the edge of a kneecap or the toe of a boot isn't going to swing it in their favour anymore.

I get this, but the argument isn't about who benefits more. If you want more goals, sure, change it. But if the argument is about cutting down time spend on checks (which the automated technology has done) you're still going to have time spend. I think you'd still have problems. Is it daylight between parts of the body you can score with? So if a forwards arm is behind him while running, and its overlapping the defenders arm who is chasing him, you'd have all sorts of lines to determine where shoulders start etc.

It benefits forwards in very specific instances. I think it would see defenses sit deeper and play more cautiously, which no one wants.

[CapitalGreen]

When rules change significantly, players and tactics change to adapt. The most likely adaptation to strikers now having an increased advantage against a high defensive line is for defensive lines to drop deeper reducing space in behind. Deeper defensive lines in football isn’t a positive for those seeking more excitement in their football viewing.

[ekhibee]

It's not a subjective rule. You are offside or you're not. The Lukaku one was the correct decision. Doesn't matter about gaining an advantage.

The interfering with play nonsense is subjective and needs clear clarification.

VAR has been excellent at this Euros apart from idiot PGMOL refs taking ages in Holland France.

Yep, agree with this.

[McD]

I'd make it if any part of your body is onside, then you are onside, would do away with 99% of the dodgy decisions.



I like this, gives a better balance between attacker and defender. At the moment it’s too much in favour of the defender

[McD]

Quite right from Maignan. You take any advantage you can. Id appeal too.

The problem is there is no clarity. Every decision is different and it causes havoc.



I get that, and it’s a fair point. The problem arises that the other side end up up in arms about those advantages - like when we were when the opposition took that throw in 30 yards up the pitch, weren’t called back and scored. They’ll say they took every advantage, we’re furious that they effectively cheated. Interesting debate though

[Donegal Hibby]

Okay. Why should they stand,though? They were offside.

They would still be VAR checked, everything is. They would now be checking for daylight. Exactly the same would happen. Still be millimeters in it, still have long checks etc. There is no form of offside rule which will not have VAR checks and close decisions.


The Coventry City one was basically checked over a players toe nail being offside which wouldn't have to be checked if the rule was changed to what Blackpoolhibs suggested.

Neither would Boyles or Lukaku's either.

While the VAR checks in the Euros have been quick , in Scottish football they are taking 3 or 4 minutes and sometimes longer .

Surely changing the rule to one that creates more goals and stops delays in our game would only be a good thing, would it not ?.

[MWHIBBIES]

The Coventry City one was basically checked over a players toe nail being offside which wouldn't have to be checked if the rule was changed to what Blackpoolhibs suggested.

Neither would Boyles or Lukaku's either.

While the VAR checks in the Euros have been quick , in Scottish football they are taking 3 or 4 minutes and sometimes longer .

Surely changing the rule to one that creates more goals and stops delays in our game would only be a good thing, would it not ?.

Great, in those very specific example, it wouldve causes less delay. That's not really relevant, though. You would still have massive delays without the technology. They'd just be looking for different things.

Why can't every league just get this automated technology and get rid of delays with the current rule.

The Wenger rule does not mean more goals. It could very well mean less as defences sit deeper.

[Hibbyradge]

The only way to get rid of the measurement issue is to abandon VAR for offsides and give the decisions back to the officials.

All that would lead to would be more forensic analysis by Sky etc resulting in even more criticism of the officials who will, of course, make mistakes.

It's horrible to see goals disallowed because the player was offside by a miniscule distance, but at least players can work to keep onside.

It's worse to see goals allowed and particularly, disallowed, because of the officials' mistakes. There is nothing the players can do to stop that happening.

Edit: if the ball is, or isn't, over the goal line even by a millimetre, no-one asks for leeway. The same has to apply for offsides.

[CapitalGreen]

[b]The Coventry City one was basically checked over a players toe nail being offside which wouldn't have to be checked if the rule was changed to what Blackpoolhibs suggested. [/b

Neither would Boyles or Lukaku's either.

While the VAR checks in the Euros have been quick , in Scottish football they are taking 3 or 4 minutes and sometimes longer .

Surely changing the rule to one that creates more goals and stops delays in our game would only be a good thing, would it not ?.

What Blackpool, yourself and many others fail to understand is that the proposed rule change doesn’t actually change how long marginal incidents take to review. The only thing changing is where the line between marginal onsides and marginal offsides occur. Instead of having players who look well onside getting done by a toenail, we’ll now have players who look well offside benefitting from a fingernail remaining onside.

[gbhibby]

What Blackpool, yourself and many others fail to understand is that the proposed rule change doesn’t actually change how long marginal incidents take to review. The only thing changing is where the line between marginal onsides and marginal offsides occur. Instead of having players who look well onside getting done by a toenail, we’ll now have players who look well offside benefitting from a fingernail remaining onside.

It benefits the attacking side and would result in more goals. What will happen if the rule is changed is defenders will play a higher line and run forward to try to catch players offside. Attackers will have to bend their runs. It will benefit players who play on the shoulder of the last defender.I think you would see a return to a more over the top long balls. Hopefully it will get rid of the chuckle brother tactics, to me to you and not moving the ball forward to the attackers. I find the tippy tippy football a bit of a turn off.

[MWHIBBIES]

It benefits the attacking side and would result in more goals. What will happen if the rule is changed is defenders will play a higher line and run forward to try to catch players offside. Attackers will have to bend their runs. It will benefit players who play on the shoulder of the last defender.I think you would see a return to a more over the top long balls. Hopefully it will get rid of the chuckle brother tactics, to me to you and not moving the ball forward to the attackers. I find the tippy tippy football a bit of a turn off.

It will absolutely not result in higher lines. It will result in edge of the 18 yard box defending.

[McSwanky]

Just get rid of offside altogether, it's a crap rule. See how Pep and his tactical genius deal with 5 x that big guy up front for Hungary crowding the goalie for 90 minutes.

I'd love to see it, just for a laugh.

:greengrin

[CapitalGreen]

It benefits the attacking side and would result in more goals. What will happen if the rule is changed is defenders will play a higher line and run forward to try to catch players offside. Attackers will have to bend their runs. It will benefit players who play on the shoulder of the last defender.I think you would see a return to a more over the top long balls. Hopefully it will get rid of the chuckle brother tactics, to me to you and not moving the ball forward to the attackers. I find the tippy tippy football a bit of a turn off.

Your logic is nonsensical. If the rule change will result in the attacking team being encouraged into playing more balls over the top into space the defending team aren’t going to push up and allow them even more space.

[gbhibby]

Your logic is nonsensical. If the rule change will result in the attacking team being encouraged into playing more balls over the top into space the defending team aren’t going to push up and allow them even more space.
I think initially they would play a higher line based on the way players are coached today you see it at free kicks. Tactics will change and probably they will play nearer the box. It will certainly make the game more interesting.

[Donegal Hibby]

With the current offside rule teams are sitting in deep anyhow . How many times have we seen a team like St Johnstone or this one come to ER and sitting in deep .... We do it ourselves going to Ibrox and parkhead at times .

https://youtu.be/xcAxm9JWlHI?si=PBSDlgfKDKQaxMh6

Again changing the rule so if a players body is level with the defender would cut out having to do checks on every goal like Boyles , Lukaku's or the Coventry City one which i didn't like seeing get disallowed .
https://youtube.com/shorts/j2MmY6p6K50?si=HDYf6b9B1RimnS0o

Denied one of the biggest cup upsets in recent years.

Changing the rule would probably increase the amount of goal scored rather than using VAR as it is to rule goals out by the smallest of margins .

There's two rules in football now that aren't helping the game . One is the offside rule and the others the handball one , both imo need changed pronto.

[MWHIBBIES]

With the current offside rule teams are sitting in deep anyhow . How many times have we seen a team like St Johnstone or this one come to ER and sitting in deep .... We do it ourselves going to Ibrox and parkhead at times .

https://youtu.be/xcAxm9JWlHI?si=PBSDlgfKDKQaxMh6

Again changing the rule so if a players body is level with the defender would cut out having to do checks on every goal like Boyles , Lukaku's or the Coventry City one which i didn't like seeing get disallowed .
https://youtube.com/shorts/j2MmY6p6K50?si=HDYf6b9B1RimnS0o

Denied one of the biggest cup upsets in recent years.

Changing the rule would probably increase the amount of goal scored rather than using VAR as it is to rule goals out by the smallest of margins .

There's two rules in football now that aren't helping the game . One is the offside rule and the others the handball one , both imo need changed pronto.

You weren't denied anything. He was offside.

While the offside rule remains in any form, you'll still have offside goals which will "deny" you results you want.

Id be changing refs being allowed to work on the side for teams owners before the offside rule. Think that's a lot more dangerous for the game.

[gbhibby]

With the current offside rule teams are sitting in deep anyhow . How many times have we seen a team like St Johnstone or this one come to ER and sitting in deep .... We do it ourselves going to Ibrox and parkhead at times .

https://youtu.be/xcAxm9JWlHI?si=PBSDlgfKDKQaxMh6

Again changing the rule so if a players body is level with the defender would cut out having to do checks on every goal like Boyles , Lukaku's or the Coventry City one which i didn't like seeing get disallowed .
https://youtube.com/shorts/j2MmY6p6K50?si=HDYf6b9B1RimnS0o

Denied one of the biggest cup upsets in recent years.

Changing the rule would probably increase the amount of goal scored rather than using VAR as it is to rule goals out by the smallest of margins .

There's two rules in football now that aren't helping the game . One is the offside rule and the others the handball one , both imo need changed pronto.
When the rule that in line was onside teams would play a higher line against us when Arthur Duncan was in his prime the number of offsides given against us 30 yards plus away from goals was substantial, many times he was well onside. Football in its present state is becoming boring to watch.

[Donegal Hibby]

You weren't denied anything. He was offside.

While the offside rule remains in any form, you'll still have offside goals which will "deny" you results you want.

Id be changing refs being allowed to work on the side for teams owners before the offside rule. Think that's a lot more dangerous for the game.

What by a toe nail , wee finger ? .

The Coventry goal is a classic example how daft the offside rule has become ( isn't the only rule either) .

As much as I'd like to see referees changed in our game because of their incompetence/ cheating , it will never
happen.

Look at Scotland's penalty claim last night , I see another poster has said Armstrong was offside , was this confirmed?, where Scottish fans at the game made aware why it wasn't given ? .

Anywhere else on the pitch and I honestly believe a freekick is given for it .

The game with the use of technology has become boring and the current offside rule is only adding to this problem imo .

Think FIFA realise this as there's been talk of changing it , abit like the other rule that's became even worse in the handball one were your likely to get a penalty for blasting the ball off a defenders hand/ arm which has now resulting in defenders running around like penguins.

Two rules that's been changed that have made the game alot worse and alot less enjoyable , again imo of course.

[MWHIBBIES]

What by a toe nail , wee finger ? .

The Coventry goal is a classic example how daft the offside rule has become ( isn't the only rule either) .

As much as I'd like to see referees changed in our game because of their incompetence/ cheating , it will never
happen.

Look at Scotland's penalty claim last night , I see another poster has said Armstrong was offside , was this confirmed?, where Scottish fans at the game made aware why it wasn't given ? .

Anywhere else on the pitch and I honestly believe a freekick is given for it .

The game with the use of technology has become boring and the current offside rule is only adding to this problem imo .

Think FIFA realise this as there's been talk of changing it , abit like the other rule that's became even worse in the handball one were your likely to get a penalty for blasting the ball off a defenders hand/ arm which has now resulting in defenders running around like penguins.

Two rules that's been changed that have made the game alot worse and alot less enjoyable , again imo of course.

Offside is offside. You cant just say ''well, its only his left foot so its fine''. Offside is offside. End of. You can't be offside by a wee finger btw.

[Donegal Hibby]

Offside is offside. You cant just say ''well, its only his left foot so its fine''. Offside is offside. End of. You can't be offside by a wee finger btw.

Which with the current rule every goal now will be analysed , causing lengthy stoppages sometimes in games with fans unable to celebrate till somebody decides on it . yawn:

I suspect it will be changed at some point as it's making the game less enjoyable anyhow.

[Norrieg]

Just get rid of offside altogether, it's a crap rule. See how Pep and his tactical genius deal with 5 x that big guy up front for Hungary crowding the goalie for 90 minutes.

I'd love to see it, just for a laugh.

:greengrin

I agree. Do away with the stupid rule and stop all this toenail, nose, bigger feet, elbow and knees being offside and let the game flow and make defenders and forwards work for their money. The game would open up a bit and be more exciting with more goals.

[Hibbyradge]

I agree. Do away with the stupid rule and stop all this toenail, nose, bigger feet, elbow and knees being offside and let the game flow and make defenders and forwards work for their money. The game would open up a bit and be more exciting with more goals.

It would definitely open it up.

With no offside rule, strikers would just hang around the penalty box and defenders would just lump it forward to them.

It would ruin the game.

[MWHIBBIES]

Which with the current rule every goal now will be analysed , causing lengthy stoppages sometimes in games with fans unable to celebrate till somebody decides on it . yawn:

I suspect it will be changed at some point as it's making the game less enjoyable anyhow.

It's absolutely fine at the euros. Bring automated technology, solve problem.

[CapitalGreen]

Which with the current rule every goal now will be analysed , causing lengthy stoppages sometimes in games with fans unable to celebrate till somebody decides on it . yawn:

I suspect it will be changed at some point as it's making the game less enjoyable anyhow.

With the proposed rule change there will still be marginal offside and onside decisions, just that the line where these occur will have moved. In the absence of automated offside checks that means there will still be lengthy delays for these marginal decisions to be reviewed and situations where fans are unable to celebrate until someone decides. Players will still be deemed to be offside or onside by the millimetre.

[McSwanky]

It would definitely open it up.

With no offside rule, strikers would just hang around the penalty box and defenders would just lump it forward to them.

It would ruin the game.

I'd still like to see it. Even just for a few weeks. Be interesting to see how the master tacticians dealt with it, I don't think it would end up exactly as you say but it would be a totally different game, that's for sure. It would be an amusing diversion from the tippy tappy drudgery we've been used to at Easter Road in the last wee while.

Didn't they experiment with moving the offside line forward to the 18 yard box back in the 1970s?

[ruthven_raiders]

I'd still like to see it. Even just for a few weeks. Be interesting to see how the master tacticians dealt with it, I don't think it would end up exactly as you say but it would be a totally different game, that's for sure. It would be an amusing diversion from the tippy tappy drudgery we've been used to at Easter Road in the last wee while.

Didn't they experiment with moving the offside line forward to the 18 yard box back in the 1970s?

The drybrough cup, Hibs won it twice 💚

[Donegal Hibby]

With the proposed rule change there will still be marginal offside and onside decisions, just that the line where these occur will have moved. In the absence of automated offside checks that means there will still be lengthy delays for these marginal decisions to be reviewed and situations where fans are unable to celebrate until someone decides. Players will still be deemed to be offside or onside by the millimetre.

There needs to be some sort of change on the offside rule to stop every goal getting analyzed . It's simply strangling the life out of the game imo .

I think FIFA realise this and we will see a change in the offside rule at some stage .

Goals like this getting ruled out is ridiculous imo . I think Boyles in the semi final was also in this category as are many others .

https://images.app.goo.gl/hAKv3hh2AMBpSGSF9

Seems the current offside rule as been created so we can use VAR as much as we possibly can just like the handball rule which is another rule changed that has made the officials job harder though increases the need to use VAR on .

I'd rather see someway of making the rules easier and more simple without having to be so heavily reliant on something that most football fans around the world either hate or are beginning to hate like these ....

https://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/312944/var-ruining-game

[matty_f]

It goes both ways with the offside though, we’ve seen goals flagged as offside incorrectly by the officials then awarded after the review.
No matter which way you cut it, there will always be marginal calls and were able to get them (99% of the time) right with the help of a review.

There’s two sides to each decision as well, the defender who’s timed their movement perfectly deserves the right decision as much as the forward timing their run.

I get the frustration and the desire to manipulate the rule to suit the attacker, but I don’t think it needs changed more than it has been already.

You’re either off or you’re on, no matter where you start measuring the line from.

[Eyrie]

Which is why it should be done automatically using the player trackers.

An instant decision with no room for debate or error.

[Gloucester Hibs]

Which is why it should be done automatically using the player trackers.

An instant decision with no room for debate or error.

Yeah, the players already wear these GPS tracker vests anyway. I'm guessing they're not accurate enough yet to determine correct offside decisions, but going forward this to would seem to be the way to go.

[MWHIBBIES]

Yeah, the players already wear these GPS tracker vests anyway. I'm guessing they're not accurate enough yet to determine correct offside decisions, but going forward this to would seem to be the way to go.

I don't think a GPS on your chest is ever detecting where your feet are.

The automated technology used at the euros is working very well.

[Gloucester Hibs]

I don't think a GPS on your chest is ever detecting where your feet are.

The automated technology used at the euros is working very well.

Until it can reach instantaneous offside decisions akin to a linesman raising his flag, it can do one AFAIC.

[hibsbollah]

I don't think a GPS on your chest is ever detecting where your feet are.

The automated technology used at the euros is working very well.

I think the key point here is what kind of rules we think are fair and provide a better spectacle, not what kind of rules removeor reduce the potential for argument. From that point of view, the Blackpool/Wenger/Daylight rule creates a better spectacle which would also encourage better defending and bring timing, not raw pace, back as a key attribute for strikers again. The game is getting harder and harder for strikers who like to run inbehind.

[MWHIBBIES]

I think the key point here is what kind of rules we think are fair and provide a better spectacle, not what kind of rules removeor reduce the potential for argument. From that point of view, the Blackpool/Wenger/Daylight rule creates a better spectacle which would also encourage better defending and bring timing, not raw pace, back as a key attribute for strikers again. The game is getting harder and harder for strikers who like to run inbehind.

Is raw pace a key ability for strikers? Kane and Lewandowski, 2 of the best of the past decade are not quick at all yet score every week. Because they are clever and can stay onside.

The offside rule didn't change. It's the same as 30 years ago. Forwards need to play better. The good ones still have no issue.

If it was easier for forwards to run in behind, defenders would defend much deeper. You aren't running in behind a back 4 on their 18 yard line.

[hibsbollah]

Is raw pace a key ability for strikers? Kane and Lewandowski, 2 of the best of the past decade are not quick at all yet score every week. Because they are clever and can stay onside.

The offside rule didn't change. It's the same as 30 years ago. Forwards need to play better. The good ones still have no issue.

If it was easier for forwards to run in behind, defenders would defend much deeper. You aren't running in behind a back 4 on their 18 yard line.

Of course some players do beat the defensive line without pace sometimes, but its rare and its getting rarer. For elite defenders with elite pace tracking a runner is actually easy. I doubt Henry would be the player he was these days, so many of his goals were based on the defenders thinking they had a step when they didnt, nowadays he’d be offside more often than Colin Nish.

[MWHIBBIES]

Of course some players do beat the defensive line without pace sometimes, but its rare and its getting rarer. For elite defenders with elite pace tracking a runner is actually easy. I doubt Henry would be the player he was these days, so many of his goals were based on the defenders thinking they had a step when they didnt, nowadays he’d be offside more often than Colin Nish.

A player that clever would adapt pretty easy. Henry had utterly brilliant finishing from outside the box too, and could beat any defender 1v1.

There are no lack of goals in football now. This Euros has been excellent and no offside rule has changed.

[CapitalGreen]

There needs to be some sort of change on the offside rule to stop every goal getting analyzed . It's simply strangling the life out of the game imo .

I think FIFA realise this and we will see a change in the offside rule at some stage .

Goals like this getting ruled out is ridiculous imo . I think Boyles in the semi final was also in this category as are many others .

https://images.app.goo.gl/hAKv3hh2AMBpSGSF9

Seems the current offside rule as been created so we can use VAR as much as we possibly can just like the handball rule which is another rule changed that has made the officials job harder though increases the need to use VAR on .

I'd rather see someway of making the rules easier and more simple without having to be so heavily reliant on something that most football fans around the world either hate or are beginning to hate like these ....

https://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/312944/var-ruining-game

You only seem to give examples of goals disallowed that went against the result you wanted.

Would you be happy to see goals awarded against us when a player is offside as long as it reduces the time taken to make a decision? Say for example Shankland scored a winning goal against us in the Scottish Cup final but was millimetres offside, would you be comfortable with the goal being awarded and as a result Hearts winning the cup?

[hibsbollah]

A player that clever would adapt pretty easy. Henry had utterly brilliant finishing from outside the box too, and could beat any defender 1v1.

There are no lack of goals in football now. This Euros has been excellent and no offside rule has changed.

Hmmm. I agree this Euros have been excellent but thats got a lot to do with better application of the rules compared to British refs, as well as quite a few tired mistakes that you get at the end of a long season that the top club sides in the champions league dont make. International tournament football is my favourite format and has been for ages. Its been looser and more dynamic and all the better for it. Thats no thanks to the current rules as they stand relating to offside and handball in particular.

[hibsbollah]

You only seem to give examples of goals disallowed that went against the result you wanted.

Would you be happy to see goals awarded against us when a player is offside as long as it reduces the time taken to make a decision? Say for example Shankland scored a winning goal against us in the Scottish Cup final but was millimetres offside, would you be comfortable with the goal being awarded and as a result Hearts winning the cup?

Thats a question to which you already know the answer. Obviously hes not going to be ‘comfortable’ because hes a Hibs fan and your scenario involves Shankland! The question should be a) whats fair and b) what gives us a better sport?

[MWHIBBIES]

Hmmm. I agree this Euros have been excellent but thats got a lot to do with better application of the rules compared to British refs, as well as quite a few tired mistakes that you get at the end of a long season that the top club sides in the champions league dont make. International tournament football is my favourite format and has been for ages. Its been looser and more dynamic and all the better for it. Thats no thanks to the current rules as they stand relating to offside and handball in particular.

The refs are the issue with making things ***** here, though. You don't make murder legal because the police can't catch the murderers. 30 seconds, done, offside sorted. It's been great. Only the dumb PGMOL refs made a meal of it.

I've no issue with offside. It's been the same for decades.

[CapitalGreen]

Thats a question to which you already know the answer. Obviously hes not going to be ‘comfortable’ because hes a Hibs fan and your scenario involves Shankland! The question should be a) whats fair and b) what gives us a better sport?

a) Fairness would surely be the rules being applied correctly.

b) I’d be keen to see evidence that such a change would give us a better sport, has there been any trials?

[hibsbollah]

a) Fairness would surely be the rules being applied correctly.

b) I’d be keen to see evidence that such a change would give us a better sport, has there been any trials?

Youre misapplying the word ‘fair’. Fairness isnt all rules being applied correctly, thats adherence. Fairness is the rules being considered justifiable. A 95% income tax isnt fair just because its being collected :greengrin

In my opinion, a fair application of offside would be the attacker being stopped from ‘poaching’, which was the reason for the rule being instituted in the first place. The attacker has to have an opportunity to use his positioning and his brains, not just his athleticism,to win a footrace. How you make the rules match that aim is down to personal opinion, isnt it?

[Donegal Hibby]

You only seem to give examples of goals disallowed that went against the result you wanted.

Would you be happy to see goals awarded against us when a player is offside as long as it reduces the time taken to make a decision? Say for example Shankland scored a winning goal against us in the Scottish Cup final but was millimetres offside, would you be comfortable with the goal being awarded and as a result Hearts winning the cup?

I have absolutely no connections or love for Coventry City , Belgium or Lukaku either though there's goals I think should stand over really marginal calls that fans are still questioning today for different reasons....

As to the the offside rule at the minute I think it's spoiling attacks , denying goals and VAR is to involved in almost every decision which is effecting the enjoyment for fans . The moments rush of elation when your team scores is also not the same anymore .


The offside rule along with the handball one seem to have been created so we can use this technology ( VAR) as much as we possibly can .It's abit like buying a new drill and then trying to create reasons to drill holes in your wall for the sake of it .

In the Euros it's been fairly quick though I think we will still see more 3 or 4 minutes delays( or longer ) in our game here over decisions this season .

Between this offside rule and VAR , football is fast becoming a bore .

As to hertz scoring against us I don't want to see them f****** scoring against us anytime wither offside or not 😁

[Caversham Green]

I'd still like to see it. Even just for a few weeks. Be interesting to see how the master tacticians dealt with it, I don't think it would end up exactly as you say but it would be a totally different game, that's for sure. It would be an amusing diversion from the tippy tappy drudgery we've been used to at Easter Road in the last wee while.

Didn't they experiment with moving the offside line forward to the 18 yard box back in the 1970s?

I remember thinking back then they would have been better putting a line 25 or 30 yards out - a bit like the 'shooting' line on Subbuteo pitches. It would retain some of the ability for fast forwards to race defenders (which is one of the most exciting aspects of football IMO) while avoiding the poachers to some extent.

[matty_f]

I have absolutely no connections or love for Coventry City , Belgium or Lukaku either though there's goals I think should stand over really marginal calls that fans are still questioning today for different reasons....

As to the the offside rule at the minute I think it's spoiling attacks , denying goals and VAR is to involved in almost every decision which is effecting the enjoyment for fans . The moments rush of elation when your team scores is also not the same anymore .


The offside rule along with the handball one seem to have been created so we can use this technology ( VAR) as much as we possibly can .It's abit like buying a new drill and then trying to create reasons to drill holes in your wall for the sake of it .

In the Euros it's been fairly quick though I think we will still see more 3 or 4 minutes delays( or longer ) in our game here over decisions this season .

Between this offside rule and VAR , football is fast becoming a bore .

As to hertz scoring against us I don't want to see them f****** scoring against us anytime wither offside or not 😁

I don’t really get this argument about not being able to celebrate goals. I went daft when Boyle scored against Aberdeen and if the review had gone in our favour I’d have celebrated again.

I went daft when Youan equalised at Tiny, I never saw a single Hibs fan standing thinking “I’m not going to celebrate in case var jumps in”.

Similarly, I went daft when Jordan Foster scored at Tiny, only to then see the linesman with his flag up, giving one of the worst offside decisions in memory. A decision that cost us a result in that derby and arguably contributed to our than that year.

[matty_f]

Youre misapplying the word ‘fair’. Fairness isnt all rules being applied correctly, thats adherence. Fairness is the rules being considered justifiable. A 95% income tax isnt fair just because its being collected :greengrin

In my opinion, a fair application of offside would be the attacker being stopped from ‘poaching’, which was the reason for the rule being instituted in the first place. The attacker has to have an opportunity to use his positioning and his brains, not just his athleticism,to win a footrace. How you make the rules match that aim is down to personal opinion, isnt it?

It’s not comparable to the tax analogy, in this case it’s fair and justifiable because both the defender and the attacker are held to the same standard. The attacker can be a millimetre onside and get the goal the same as they can be a millimetre offside and not. Both players know the rule, there is no advantage or disadvantage, just onside or offside.

It’s worth remembering that loads of these decisions would have been halted by a linesman’s flag back when they were told to flag immediately if they thought it was offside. You’d look at it and go “that was close” and then get on with it.

The fact that play can now go on and the attacker at least has the chance to score is a positive move.

[CapitalGreen]

I have absolutely no connections or love for Coventry City , Belgium or Lukaku either though there's goals I think should stand over really marginal calls that fans are still questioning today for different reasons....

As to the the offside rule at the minute I think it's spoiling attacks , denying goals and VAR is to involved in almost every decision which is effecting the enjoyment for fans . The moments rush of elation when your team scores is also not the same anymore .


The offside rule along with the handball one seem to have been created so we can use this technology ( VAR) as much as we possibly can .It's abit like buying a new drill and then trying to create reasons to drill holes in your wall for the sake of it .

In the Euros it's been fairly quick though I think we will still see more 3 or 4 minutes delays( or longer ) in our game here over decisions this season .

Between this offside rule and VAR , football is fast becoming a bore .

As to hertz scoring against us I don't want to see them f****** scoring against us anytime wither offside or not 😁

I didn’t say you had any connection to Coventry but yourself and many others felt disappointed/robbed of a fairytale cup result, you’ve said as much yourself earlier in this thread. You would have preferred the Coventry goal stood as a Coventry win was your preferred outcome in the tie.

I’ll repeat again as you seem to be struggling with this but implementing the Wenger offside rule will make no difference to amount of offside decisions which are reviewed by VAR or the time taken to review decisions when not using semi-automated reviews.

[CapitalGreen]

Youre misapplying the word ‘fair’. Fairness isnt all rules being applied correctly, thats adherence. Fairness is the rules being considered justifiable. A 95% income tax isnt fair just because its being collected :greengrin

In my opinion, a fair application of offside would be the attacker being stopped from ‘poaching’, which was the reason for the rule being instituted in the first place. The attacker has to have an opportunity to use his positioning and his brains, not just his athleticism,to win a footrace. How you make the rules match that aim is down to personal opinion, isnt it?

The Wenger rule doesn’t promote fairness, it involves one player being given an advantage over another, the attacking players would be given a head start, a leg up on their opponent - how is that fair?

[Smartie]

The problem with the offside stuff is that there is a generation of us who are most comfortable with the concept of being "level" - and that in such a situation the benefit of the doubt was at one point given to the attacking player over the defender (wasn't always that way though).

The current use of VAR and the implementation removes that concept and we've just got to accept that it's black and white - you're either on or off, whether it's by a mile or a bawhair.

How closely we instruct our VAR teams to look for very minor calls is another story, but VAR has had the effect of pretty much making everyone feel like they're victims of some sort of injustice or another, which can't be good.

I'm not convinced that any of the proposed improvements actually improve anything. Instead, I think some of us just have to learn to accept that things have changed.

[Donegal Hibby]

I don’t really get this argument about not being able to celebrate goals. I went daft when Boyle scored against Aberdeen and if the review had gone in our favour I’d have celebrated again.

I went daft when Youan equalised at Tiny, I never saw a single Hibs fan standing thinking “I’m not going to celebrate in case var jumps in”.

Similarly, I went daft when Jordan Foster scored at Tiny, only to then see the linesman with his flag up, giving one of the worst offside decisions in memory. A decision that cost us a result in that derby and arguably contributed to our than that year.

I find myself waiting now until a VAR review is given ... Which isn't the same .

Maybe I'm alone on this though I don't see the point in celebrating something that I know that with the offside rule and technology they are probably going to find the narrowest of margins to rule it out .

Games becoming to complicated and boring with everything being over analyzed imo Matty .

[Donegal Hibby]

I didn’t say you had any connection to Coventry but yourself and many others felt disappointed/robbed of a fairytale cup result, you’ve said as much yourself earlier in this thread. You would have preferred the Coventry goal stood as a Coventry win was your preferred outcome in the tie.

I’ll repeat again as you seem to be struggling with this but implementing the Wenger offside rule will make no difference to amount of offside decisions which are reviewed by VAR or the time taken to review decisions when not using semi-automated reviews.

Its not really got anything to do with robbing a fairytale cup result , I'd just rather see goals like that , that's so so tight stand .

As to the Blackpool Hibs / Wenger rules I'm not struggling at all . I know there would be problems the other way though I'd rather see the attacker's get the advantage instead .

Or better again a rule that can cut down the use of VAR in games .


Balancing things out abit in favour of defenders I like to see the handball rule changed so defenders can play with their arms in a natural position rather than like penguins .

We'd be as well to put straight jackets on them now in order keeping their arms in what's now deemed a natural position.

As I said the two rules are imo causing unnecessary VAR checks and stoppages in games .

Football in the past was much more entertaining without all these new rules and technology ruling over almost every decision in the game nowadays.

How did we cope without these rules and technology in football for so long ? .

[Kato]

I'd still like to see it. Even just for a few weeks. Be interesting to see how the master tacticians dealt with it, I don't think it would end up exactly as you say but it would be a totally different game, that's for sure. It would be an amusing diversion from the tippy tappy drudgery we've been used to at Easter Road in the last wee while.

Didn't they experiment with moving the offside line forward to the 18 yard box back in the 1970s?If you like a game of longbangers do away with offside rule. No need for any Russel Latapy or Scott Allan type players just launch it forward.

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[1875M]

Always just thought that if a part of your body that you can score with (head or foot) is offside, then it's offside. I hate seeing VAR when someone's elbow is offside and they call it.

[nonshinyfinish]

Always just thought that if a part of your body that you can score with (head or foot) is offside, then it's offside. I hate seeing VAR when someone's elbow is offside and they call it.

That is the rule. If you've seen someone given offside based on their elbow then it was a massive f*** up.

[McSwanky]

If you like a game of longbangers do away with offside rule. No need for any Russel Latapy or Scott Allan type players just launch it forward.

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My original post was more than a wee bit tongue in cheek, but.....

Having thought about it a bit more, I'd be genuinely interested to see a competition with no offsides for a season, just to see how it panned out. For sure it would probably start the way you describe, but it would leave a huge gap in the middle of the park, which could maybe be exploited by good players and some alternative tactics. That would need to then be countered by some defenders moving out. Maybe not - maybe it would just stay at 5-0-5 formations all season. I'd still be interested to see it though!

[at last 61]

Forward should always have the advantage over a defender, we all watch games to cheer a goal, and if it's taking more than a minute it's not clear and obvious

[gbhibby]

The Wenger rule doesn’t promote fairness, it involves one player being given an advantage over another, the attacking players would be given a head start, a leg up on their opponent - how is that fair?

No it doesn't it merely draws the lines differently. The attacker when going forward his body weight is angled towards the goal the defenders body weight in the opposite direction in most of the offside decisions. The bulk of the
attacking players body is in line. The game is about goals. The game is becoming boring to watch.

[CapitalGreen]

No it doesn't it merely draws the lines differently. The attacker when going forward his body weight is angled towards the goal the defenders body weight in the opposite direction in most of the offside decisions. The bulk of the
attacking players body is in line. The game is about goals. The game is becoming boring to watch.

Are we seeing less goals?

There were more goals scored per game in the English Premier League last season than there were 20-30 years ago. (1994: 2.58 2004:2.66 2024: 3.28)

EURO 2020 had the most goals per game scored (2.78) of any European Championship in history.

2022 saw the record for the most goals scored in a World Cup tournament (172).

Lee Johnson’s mediocre Hibs team of 22/23 scored the same amount of goals (57) as McLeish’s revered Hibs team including Mixu, Latapy and Sauzee in 00/01.

[matty_f]

Are we seeing less goals?

There were more goals scored per game in the English Premier League last season than there were 20-30 years ago. (1994: 2.58 2004:2.66 2024: 3.28)

EURO 2020 had the most goals per game scored (2.78) of any European Championship in history.

2022 saw the record for the most goals scored in a World Cup tournament (172).

Lee Johnson’s mediocre Hibs team of 22/23 scored the same amount of goals (57) as McLeish’s revered Hibs team including Mixu, Latapy and Sauzee in 00/01.

Folk forget that goals have been chopped off for tight offsides since the law was brought in, only before it was a linesman trying to watch when the ball was kicked and along a line at the same time to make a judgement.

The difference now is that VAR can show very clearly how tight those marginal decisions are. Before we either had to take the linesmen’s word for it or rely on one camera angle to judge if it was on or off.

I doubt there are even more offside decisions these days, never mind fewer goals. Assistant referees are encouraged to keep the flag down and let moves finish before flagging a suspected offside, and if it’s onside, the goal stands and if it’s off then it shouldn’t.

Before that would just have been a free kick to the defending team whether the call was right or wrong.

[Sweet Left Peg]

Trial scrapping it altogether and see how it goes. Probably create more space for skilled players to have time on the ball. It would certainly save a load of faffing about and frustration. It would be interesting to see what new tactics evolved. I don't think it would necessarily result in hoofball. And if it was crap, then return the offside rule.

[marinello59]

Trial scrapping it altogether and see how it goes. Probably create more space for skilled players to have time on the ball. It would certainly save a load of faffing about and frustration. It would be interesting to see what new tactics evolved. I don't think it would necessarily result in hoofball. And if it was crap, then return the offside rule.

Reformed yes, scrap no. Seeing a forward make a perfectly timed run to receive a well placed pass is one of the wonders of the game.

[CapitalGreen]

Trial scrapping it altogether and see how it goes. Probably create more space for skilled players to have time on the ball. It would certainly save a load of faffing about and frustration. It would be interesting to see what new tactics evolved. I don't think it would necessarily result in hoofball. And if it was crap, then return the offside rule.

More space and time on the ball is an environment that benefits lesser skilled players.

[gbhibby]

More space and time on the ball is an environment that benefits lesser skilled players.
I bet you played in defence CG.😁

[CapitalGreen]

I bet you played in defence CG.😁

I was lucky if I was allowed on the pitch.

[Norrieg]

It would definitely open it up.

With no offside rule, strikers would just hang around the penalty box and defenders would just lump it forward to them.

It would ruin the game.

Why would it ruin the game???? In what way??? Do you mean defenders would have to defend instead of running out and sticking their hands in the air. It would mean player against player and may the best man win !!! . What is the reason for the offside rule anyway. Is it to stop forwards seeking an advantage or to stop too many goals in a game? Here's me thinking that was the purpose of the game. I see no reason for the rule. Just look at the cotroversy it has created. Do away with the stupid rule and get players playing and using their skill (I say this tongue in cheek) to beat their opponent. If the centre half is good enough. no goals, if the forward is good enough, more goals. Simple. Remenber the days down the park with jackets down for goals ? No offside then and no arguing or discussion about offside. Great days. That's how football should be played, not the boring ***** we watch nowadays.
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