Are we willing to show patience ?

[worcesterhibby]

We have a new manager who we know loves the club but is inexperienced. One of the key benefits of giving SDG the job is that he knows the playing staff and knows what they are...and aren't, capable of. However, we have too many players on the books who contribute very little and it will be hard to get most of them off the wage bill till next season. Some will go, some will go on loan, but I suspect the re-building of the team under David Gray will take some time to come good.

Can we show some patience as a support ?

The owners and the CEO have admitted their mistakes and now have "football men" with a lot of experience of the Scottish Game in key positions. It will be interesting to see who DG brings in as assistant manager and goalkeeping coach, but once they are in we have a whole new team in charge of "football". That's what we have been crying out for and that's what Hibs have delivered.

I know for sure that there isn't a Hibs fan in the world that doesn't want David Gray to make a success of this and we all hope he hits the ground running and we see an immediate improvement. In the real world.. there will be bumps along the way.

Hearts have signed a lot of players to strengthen their squad and have the money coming in from European Football
Kilmarnock still have Derek McInnes and will be strong again. Motherwell have a new American owner incoming who wants to spend money, Aberdeen seem to have turned a corner and will be better than last season for sure. St Mirren are no mugs. It's not going to be easy and we need to be patient with our new manager.

From my perspective all I really expect from the new season is a different attitude from the players and manager. I want to see some real fight and endevour from the players. From the manager I want to see round pegs in round holes, rather than players being squeezed into a fairly rigid footballing ethos that demanded things of them that they struggled to deliver. I'd like to see us quick to get up the field and quick to track back and give our defence some real support. If we get that, we will be better to watch and I will forgive the defeats as we slowly re-build and get the playing staff we need. It's not going to happen in one window, that's for sure. We will be signing new players, some will be great signings, some won't and it will take four windows to really get a full re-build completed.

Will we make top 6 in the forthcoming season ? I think so, I hope so, but I suspect it will be in 6th place, or 5th at best. We need to see it as the first step up a ladder, the first move upwards to get ourselves in a position to properly challenge for Euro places. We need to stick with a manager for a number of years and we need to build a team slowly and surely. We need to let Sir David make some mistakes and not be too hard on him. We need to get behind the team and give them support not abuse. If we are going to turn things round we need to hold our nerve, give David Gray a wall of sound and get the team back on the front foot.

Who else is willing to be patient ?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

How many years are we meant to be patient for? Rod Petrie was asking for it years ago.

[Real Emerald]

We have a new manager who we know loves the club but is inexperienced. One of the key benefits of giving SDG the job is that he knows the playing staff and knows what they are...and aren't, capable of. However, we have too many players on the books who contribute very little and it will be hard to get most of them off the wage bill till next season. Some will go, some will go on loan, but I suspect the re-building of the team under David Gray will take some time to come good.

Can we show some patience as a support ?

The owners and the CEO have admitted their mistakes and now have "football men" with a lot of experience of the Scottish Game in key positions. It will be interesting to see who DG brings in as assistant manager and goalkeeping coach, but once they are in we have a whole new team in charge of "football". That's what we have been crying out for and that's what Hibs have delivered.

I know for sure that there isn't a Hibs fan in the world that doesn't want David Gray to make a success of this and we all hope he hits the ground running and we see an immediate improvement. In the real world.. there will be bumps along the way.

Hearts have signed a lot of players to strengthen their squad and have the money coming in from European Football
Kilmarnock still have Derek McInnes and will be strong again. Motherwell have a new American owner incoming who wants to spend money, Aberdeen seem to have turned a corner and will be better than last season for sure. St Mirren are no mugs. It's not going to be easy and we need to be patient with our new manager.

From my perspective all I really expect from the new season is a different attitude from the players and manager. I want to see some real fight and endevour from the players. From the manager I want to see round pegs in round holes, rather than players being squeezed into a fairly rigid footballing ethos that demanded things of them that they struggled to deliver. I'd like to see us quick to get up the field and quick to track back and give our defence some real support. If we get that, we will be better to watch and I will forgive the defeats as we slowly re-build and get the playing staff we need. It's not going to happen in one window, that's for sure. We will be signing new players, some will be great signings, some won't and it will take four windows to really get a full re-build completed.

Will we make top 6 in the forthcoming season ? I think so, I hope so, but I suspect it will be in 6th place, or 5th at best. We need to see it as the first step up a ladder, the first move upwards to get ourselves in a position to properly challenge for Euro places. We need to stick with a manager for a number of years and we need to build a team slowly and surely. We need to let Sir David make some mistakes and not be too hard on him. We need to get behind the team and give them support not abuse. If we are going to turn things round we need to hold our nerve, give David Gray a wall of sound and get the team back on the front foot.

Who else is willing to be patient ?

50 odd years and waiting, Ill either run out of patience or be deid.

[worcesterhibby]

How many years are we meant to be patient for? Rod Petrie was asking for it years ago.

It depends what you regard as success.

We come third about once a decade
we win the league cup about once a decade
we win the scottish cup about once a century
We get a manager that does a good job about once a decade (and they quickly leave for a better paid gig)
We beat hearts about once a season


The above is the case no matter who is in charge in the boardroom, with a few enjoyable blips of greater success once or twice in the last 100 years.

So bascially we need endless patience. On the plus side, when we do win something, it feels brilliant :greengrin

That's the deal being a Hibs fan. Anyone who is waiting for us to become the real third force in Scottish football who come 3rd every year, push the Old Firm hard and win cups regularly along the way is going to be constantly dissapointed.

[lugz]

History would say no, as soon as things aren’t going swimmingly the manager needs to go. I do feel like this appointment might be different because of who it is, if things weren’t to go well I think the fans would be after the players and the board rather than Gray.

[SeanWilson]

We have a new manager who we know loves the club but is inexperienced. One of the key benefits of giving SDG the job is that he knows the playing staff and knows what they are...and aren't, capable of. However, we have too many players on the books who contribute very little and it will be hard to get most of them off the wage bill till next season. Some will go, some will go on loan, but I suspect the re-building of the team under David Gray will take some time to come good.

Can we show some patience as a support ?

The owners and the CEO have admitted their mistakes and now have "football men" with a lot of experience of the Scottish Game in key positions. It will be interesting to see who DG brings in as assistant manager and goalkeeping coach, but once they are in we have a whole new team in charge of "football". That's what we have been crying out for and that's what Hibs have delivered.

I know for sure that there isn't a Hibs fan in the world that doesn't want David Gray to make a success of this and we all hope he hits the ground running and we see an immediate improvement. In the real world.. there will be bumps along the way.

Hearts have signed a lot of players to strengthen their squad and have the money coming in from European Football
Kilmarnock still have Derek McInnes and will be strong again. Motherwell have a new American owner incoming who wants to spend money, Aberdeen seem to have turned a corner and will be better than last season for sure. St Mirren are no mugs. It's not going to be easy and we need to be patient with our new manager.

From my perspective all I really expect from the new season is a different attitude from the players and manager. I want to see some real fight and endevour from the players. From the manager I want to see round pegs in round holes, rather than players being squeezed into a fairly rigid footballing ethos that demanded things of them that they struggled to deliver. I'd like to see us quick to get up the field and quick to track back and give our defence some real support. If we get that, we will be better to watch and I will forgive the defeats as we slowly re-build and get the playing staff we need. It's not going to happen in one window, that's for sure. We will be signing new players, some will be great signings, some won't and it will take four windows to really get a full re-build completed.

Will we make top 6 in the forthcoming season ? I think so, I hope so, but I suspect it will be in 6th place, or 5th at best. We need to see it as the first step up a ladder, the first move upwards to get ourselves in a position to properly challenge for Euro places. We need to stick with a manager for a number of years and we need to build a team slowly and surely. We need to let Sir David make some mistakes and not be too hard on him. We need to get behind the team and give them support not abuse. If we are going to turn things round we need to hold our nerve, give David Gray a wall of sound and get the team back on the front foot.

Who else is willing to be patient ?

As much as I wasn’t in the SDG getting the gig camp, I do see it being a positive for the fans connecting again.

I remember being in the Albion after we beat hearts last year and BK and LJ came in. The disconnect between the fans and the management could not be more glaringly obvious. If that had been SDG strolling through after beating them, the place would have gone tonto.

Patience though….. if we’re 10 games in to the new season and in the bottom 6….. knifes will be out. If that is the case, I suspect it’ll be down to lack of investment in the playing squad, which will be down to all of those new handsomely paid individuals running the club.

[Betty Boop]

Blackpoolhibs will be along shortly :greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

Blackpoolhibs will be along shortly :greengrin


:grr:

Mare ****in patience.:greengrin

[Hibbyradge]

How many years are we meant to be patient for? Rod Petrie was asking for it years ago.

He still hasn't received it.

[SHODAN]

How long did Hearts have to be patient for? If they have one bad season their fans go ****ing nuts and the club reacts with investment or changes.

How long did Aberdeen have to be patient for? Similar story, they have one or two bad years at most and something gets done.

With Hibs "being patient" is the norm. We get one or two good seasons a decade at most and then it's back to "being patient". In a league where we are one of three clubs with a vastly superior budget to over half the other teams, change should be immediate and effective. Our immediate rivals never have to wait very long.

Gray is a legend but if he doesn't deliver top six at minimum then he should go. Same as everyone else. I'm done waiting.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Blackpoolhibs will be along shortly :greengrin

I was going to say that but, I thought he would find his way on to the thread. 🤭

[Stuart93]

We’ve been asked to show patience for ages now

What the club needs to do is show us results on the pitch and earn a bit patience

[Smartie]

We have a new manager who we know loves the club but is inexperienced. One of the key benefits of giving SDG the job is that he knows the playing staff and knows what they are...and aren't, capable of. However, we have too many players on the books who contribute very little and it will be hard to get most of them off the wage bill till next season. Some will go, some will go on loan, but I suspect the re-building of the team under David Gray will take some time to come good.

Can we show some patience as a support ?

The owners and the CEO have admitted their mistakes and now have "football men" with a lot of experience of the Scottish Game in key positions. It will be interesting to see who DG brings in as assistant manager and goalkeeping coach, but once they are in we have a whole new team in charge of "football". That's what we have been crying out for and that's what Hibs have delivered.

I know for sure that there isn't a Hibs fan in the world that doesn't want David Gray to make a success of this and we all hope he hits the ground running and we see an immediate improvement. In the real world.. there will be bumps along the way.

Hearts have signed a lot of players to strengthen their squad and have the money coming in from European Football
Kilmarnock still have Derek McInnes and will be strong again. Motherwell have a new American owner incoming who wants to spend money, Aberdeen seem to have turned a corner and will be better than last season for sure. St Mirren are no mugs. It's not going to be easy and we need to be patient with our new manager.

From my perspective all I really expect from the new season is a different attitude from the players and manager. I want to see some real fight and endevour from the players. From the manager I want to see round pegs in round holes, rather than players being squeezed into a fairly rigid footballing ethos that demanded things of them that they struggled to deliver. I'd like to see us quick to get up the field and quick to track back and give our defence some real support. If we get that, we will be better to watch and I will forgive the defeats as we slowly re-build and get the playing staff we need. It's not going to happen in one window, that's for sure. We will be signing new players, some will be great signings, some won't and it will take four windows to really get a full re-build completed.

Will we make top 6 in the forthcoming season ? I think so, I hope so, but I suspect it will be in 6th place, or 5th at best. We need to see it as the first step up a ladder, the first move upwards to get ourselves in a position to properly challenge for Euro places. We need to stick with a manager for a number of years and we need to build a team slowly and surely. We need to let Sir David make some mistakes and not be too hard on him. We need to get behind the team and give them support not abuse. If we are going to turn things round we need to hold our nerve, give David Gray a wall of sound and get the team back on the front foot.

Who else is willing to be patient ?

I'm willing to be patient... but I do expect there to be signs of progress.

I actually like the appointments of Gray and Marshall to their roles. Their credentials are really pretty good, lacking only in experience - experience they can only realistically gain doing the job, so a year or two down the line they should really be maturing nicely into their respective positions.

Gray getting the odd call wrong through inexperience - fair enough, it'll happen. If he ends up settling into a pattern of repeat, inexcusable mistakes that would see a more experienced coach come under fire then he'll have to take the flak accordingly. There's actually a decent amount of wiggle room for him to make mistakes, lose games and for us still to finish 4th - 6th. He might even get to Hampden without facing anyone of any great substance and I think he should be cut slack if he lost in the cups to bigger or better funded teams.

If he got us to 5th or 6th, didn't lose to anyone pish in the cups and managed to make a decent dent in overhauling the piss poor squad, giving us confidence that the following year was going to be better then I think I'd be happy enough. Not setting up camp outside the West Stand howling for change anyway.

[Donegal Hibby]

Showing patience would be the right thing as fans for us to do . What's the alternative? , to wait for the first bad result / poor performance and then have a pile on in condemning the club , how does that actually help the situation ? .

The way I see it is we are in a mess and it's going to take time to get out of it , we probably have a bigger job to do in rebuilding the squad as when Stubbs was appointed.

Gray is going to need time and for us to show some patience , there's no question about that in my mind .

I think at this stage the club needs our patience and support probably more than it has since Stubbs era .

[Pagan Hibernia]

Yes, it's time for patience (within reason, if SDG gets us into a relegation battle then that is obviously a different story).

But this managerial revolving door is doing our club absolutely no favours. We all know some people will be screaming for him to go if we have a few bad results, and round and round we go.

[Pretty Boy]

History would say no, as soon as things aren’t going swimmingly the manager needs to go. I do feel like this appointment might be different because of who it is, if things weren’t to go well I think the fans would be after the players and the board rather than Gray.

That is my feeling as well.

Gray will get a bit more leeway than many would, not indefinitely as there is very little that is sacred in football but certainly longer than someone like Lee Johnson as an example.

The risk there if you are among the decision makers who have appointed him is that the spotlight is very much turned on you. That is arguably already the case, certainly the case in fact for Ben Kensell and Ian Gordon, and another failed managerial appointment is only going to ramp that up. If our recruitment isn't right this summer and there is any hint that Gray has been somehow 'hung out to dry' then it will be pretty vitriolic. I look at Man Utd as an example of that; there was already hostility towards the owners and board and when Solskjaer was in real trouble that really spilled over. Their fans were actually pretty gracious towards the manager when it was clear his time was up, those up top not so much.

I don't expect miracles, we have made such a mess of things that last few years that it would be folly to expect a really quick fix. There has to be clear signs of progress though and with a budget among the biggest in the league there really is no excuse for not seeing a clear upward trajectory quickly. If that isn't forthcoming then there will be discontent and negativity and rightly so. There aren't many excuses left and the people trying to get us out the mess are many of the same ones who got us into it in the 1st place.

[Spike Mandela]

There will be no patience shown by the fans or the board.

Including the sacking of Jack Ross and subsequent sppointments zero patience has been observed by either disgruntled fans or by those in charge.

There is absolutely no evidence that this will change anytime soon. David Gray has to see perceived improvement and success almost immediately or it will be all over.

[DIXIHIBS]

How long did Hearts have to be patient for? If they have one bad season their fans go ****ing nuts and the club reacts with investment or changes.

How long did Aberdeen have to be patient for? Similar story, they have one or two bad years at most and something gets done.

With Hibs "being patient" is the norm. We get one or two good seasons a decade at most and then it's back to "being patient". In a league where we are one of three clubs with a vastly superior budget to over half the other teams, change should be immediate and effective. Our immediate rivals never have to wait very long.

Gray is a legend but if he doesn't deliver top six at minimum then he should go. Same as everyone else. I'm done waiting.

Hibs are patient... seriously 😣. We've on our 5th manager in 4 years...very patient. A lot a hertz fans were shouting for Naismith's head about a year ago...the club showed patience...worked out not bad eh. We are the complete opposite to what you are saying.

[Northernhibee]

No, couple of losses and there’ll be posts about “must win” games and “pressure being on”.

[easty]

What would people class as being patient?

SDG wasn't my first choice, but I'm 100% backing him. I don't think we need a season to adjust though, so I'm not going to be "patient" to the extent I accept the coming season as a transition season.

Recruitment in the next few weeks is huge. We have a budget available to us that we should be able to put out a team capable of top 6 at the start of the season.

Patience with the Black Knights, and the review. I dunno, I don't think I have much. What kind of review happened at Lorient? They finished 10th the season Black Knights bought in half way through the season. Next season they got relegated.

[CockneyRebel]

There will be no patience shown by the fans or the board.

Including the sacking of Jack Ross and subsequent sppointments zero patience has been observed by either disgruntled fans or by those in charge.

There is absolutely no evidence that this will change anytime soon. David Gray has to see perceived improvement and success almost immediately or it will be all over.


Wide of the mark I reckon. There are so many players to move on that are still under contract. If nobody wants them or they won't move for less money that means no conveyor belt of players going out the door. There is absolutely zero chance of moving out the required number of players and bringing in some better players all in one or even two windows.

Getting improvement is vital but with the best will in the world the extra cash available won't make a dent in the changes needed for any instant resurrection.

[JimBHibees]

As much as I wasn’t in the SDG getting the gig camp, I do see it being a positive for the fans connecting again.

I remember being in the Albion after we beat hearts last year and BK and LJ came in. The disconnect between the fans and the management could not be more glaringly obvious. If that had been SDG strolling through after beating them, the place would have gone tonto.

Patience though….. if we’re 10 games in to the new season and in the bottom 6….. knifes will be out. If that is the case, I suspect it’ll be down to lack of investment in the playing squad, which will be down to all of those new handsomely paid individuals running the club.

Why would Hibs fans not be happy when we beat Hearts?

[Real Emerald]

Wide of the mark I reckon. There are so many players to move on that are still under contract. If nobody wants them or they won't move for less money that means no conveyor belt of players going out the door. There is absolutely zero chance of moving out the required number of players and bringing in some better players all in one or even two windows.

Getting improvement is vital but with the best will in the world the extra cash available won't make a dent in the changes needed for any instant resurrection.

So we roll up for another terrible season then? As folk have said earlier our budget alone prior to BK investment should have us above teams like Killie and St Mirren. We absolutely need an immediate improvement this season coming or our very patient season ticket holders may just have run out of patience.

[SeanWilson]

Why would Hibs fans not be happy when we beat Hearts?

We were, my point was that the place kind of went eerie and awkward when they walked through…. Rather than what you’d expect…

[A Hi-Bee]

It's awe guns n roses to me.
Results is what we want.

[JimBHibees]

We were, my point was that the place kind of went eerie and awkward when they walked through…. Rather than what you’d expect…

Ok cheers wonder why wouldn’t say i was Johnson’s greatest fan but would definitely have cheered him after beating the gimps

[superfurryhibby]

No patience, it's worn thin.

The current ownership have very little credibility for me. This is their sixth season in charge coming up and the remaining goodwill of the fans will evaporate if they don't give SDG the resources to make a positive difference.

[killie-hibby]

I have been extremely patient since my first game in 1955. I am now beyond caring which is actually a good feeling,no worries or frustration regards poor results,management and signings. Despite years of setbacks and false dawns nothing will drain Hibs from my blood.
GGTTH

[Paul1642]

I think the board want to show patience but feel they can’t once fans turn against a manager. IMO this would have been a factor in appointing Gray, knowing that they will be able to give him more time than another external approach.

[wookie70]

Even after recent retirals and end of contracts there are 25 players in the first team squad and no recognised first team keeper and massive gaps at centre half. I can show patience in the longer term but there is a massive need for a huge clear out and that cannot be done slowly. We will likely lose quite a few quid paying off players but I would far rather 20 players who all want to play every 90 minutes and will make sure that is obvious when given the chance than 30 players who seem to enjoy the bench just as much as playing given the lack of urgency and desire when they do have a chance. If a huge clear out happens then I can give plenty time for a bunch of new players to gel as long as I can see they are making an effort to do so. The big plus in appointing SDG is his knowledge of the squad. If he is willing to hit the reset and give everyone a fresh start then it was a pretty silly appointment imo. His knowledge should allow us to get on with the job of a proper Stubbs style rebuild without waiting for pre-season games

[Saint Hibee]

We’ve been asked to show patience for ages now

What the club needs to do is show us results on the pitch and earn a bit patience

This times a thousand.

[we are hibs]

For David Gray? Absolutely.


For those upstairs? Absolutely not.

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[Iain G]

We’ve been asked to show patience for ages now

What the club needs to do is show us results on the pitch and earn a bit patience

You are I think this is a huge part of the problem here, the club have reacted and made changes which are clearly needed, and put a fan favourite in charge. It's a reset, not a cumulative effect, so they deserve and need some patience and time to get this right, or we just jump on the same ever decreasing circle merry-go-round where managers / head coaches barely get 6 months before being deemed not good enough.

He may not be the right choice but if there is anything we can give SDG it's time to make it work.

[Pretty Boy]

You are I think this is a huge part of the problem here, the club have reacted and made changes which are clearly needed, and put a fan favourite in charge. It's a reset, not a cumulative effect, so they deserve and need some patience and time to get this right, or we just jump on the same ever decreasing circle merry-go-round where managers / head coaches barely get 6 months before being deemed not good enough.

He may not be the right choice but if there is anything we can give SDG it's time to make it work.

The club have been consistently making changes, shuffling the deck and having resets for years now. Every single one has been hailed by various people, not always the same ones, as the one that is the solution to the problem. Appointing Brian McDermott only a year ago was one such solution then bringing in Montgomery was another. Yet here we are a few months later making more wholesale changes because the previous ones never looked close to working.

It's absolutely fine that people feel that this particular change is definitely 100% the one that is the solution to all the problems if we just give it weeks, months or even yeara. The track record suggests differently. What will buy the club time isn't big statements or more appointments that look good on paper. It's clear evidence on the park that there is forward progress and an improvement in performance. As I said before I don't expect miracles but anyone thinking the club is going to get a long time to get it right after the downward trajectory of the last few years is dreaming. The problems we are trying to fix were caused by people in positions of power at the club, it's good they are taking more steps to try and fix them, but football is cut throat, as the many people the club have seen as dispensable in the last few years found out when we were in the midst of creating the current mess. There is going to be limited patience afforded as they try to fix the mess of their own making.

A quick fix may be unrealistic but evidence we are on the right track should be immediate. If it isn't then it suggests once again we probably aren't on said track.

[InvertedFullBak]

The “ asking for patience “ line has well and truly been booted into touch now.

For years now we’ve been patient and nothing ever seems to come our way in terms of success.

If David gray fails to get out of the league cup group stage then we’ll be back to square one with a element of the support wanting the manager out and questioning the clowns that are running the club.

[Greensunshine]

We have a new manager who we know loves the club but is inexperienced. One of the key benefits of giving SDG the job is that he knows the playing staff and knows what they are...and aren't, capable of. However, we have too many players on the books who contribute very little and it will be hard to get most of them off the wage bill till next season. Some will go, some will go on loan, but I suspect the re-building of the team under David Gray will take some time to come good.

Can we show some patience as a support ?

The owners and the CEO have admitted their mistakes and now have "football men" with a lot of experience of the Scottish Game in key positions. It will be interesting to see who DG brings in as assistant manager and goalkeeping coach, but once they are in we have a whole new team in charge of "football". That's what we have been crying out for and that's what Hibs have delivered.

I know for sure that there isn't a Hibs fan in the world that doesn't want David Gray to make a success of this and we all hope he hits the ground running and we see an immediate improvement. In the real world.. there will be bumps along the way.

Hearts have signed a lot of players to strengthen their squad and have the money coming in from European Football
Kilmarnock still have Derek McInnes and will be strong again. Motherwell have a new American owner incoming who wants to spend money, Aberdeen seem to have turned a corner and will be better than last season for sure. St Mirren are no mugs. It's not going to be easy and we need to be patient with our new manager.

From my perspective all I really expect from the new season is a different attitude from the players and manager. I want to see some real fight and endevour from the players. From the manager I want to see round pegs in round holes, rather than players being squeezed into a fairly rigid footballing ethos that demanded things of them that they struggled to deliver. I'd like to see us quick to get up the field and quick to track back and give our defence some real support. If we get that, we will be better to watch and I will forgive the defeats as we slowly re-build and get the playing staff we need. It's not going to happen in one window, that's for sure. We will be signing new players, some will be great signings, some won't and it will take four windows to really get a full re-build completed.

Will we make top 6 in the forthcoming season ? I think so, I hope so, but I suspect it will be in 6th place, or 5th at best. We need to see it as the first step up a ladder, the first move upwards to get ourselves in a position to properly challenge for Euro places. We need to stick with a manager for a number of years and we need to build a team slowly and surely. We need to let Sir David make some mistakes and not be too hard on him. We need to get behind the team and give them support not abuse. If we are going to turn things round we need to hold our nerve, give David Gray a wall of sound and get the team back on the front foot.

Who else is willing to be patient ?


I agree with the sentiment but in reality he’ll only get time if he wins enough football matches.

All the improvement markers need to be pointing in the right direction.
Nobody wants to keep changing managers but we need to see improvement.

If he can do this then he’ll get all the time in the world. Hence he needs to be ruthless with players that are not up to standard.
It’s those players who’ve lost several managers their job.

SDG will know who those players are and will no doubt need to try and move them on.

Ultimately it’ll come down to the level of quality of player we bring into the club and will he be able to get a tune out of it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The club have been consistently making changes, shuffling the deck and having resets for years now. Every single one has been hailed by various people, not always the same ones, as the one that is the solution to the problem. Appointing Brian McDermott only a year ago was one such solution then bringing in Montgomery was another. Yet here we are a few months later making more wholesale changes because the previous ones never looked close to working.

It's absolutely fine that people feel that this particular change is definitely 100% the one that is the solution to all the problems if we just give it weeks, months or even yeara. The track record suggests differently. What will buy the club time isn't big statements or more appointments that look good on paper. It's clear evidence on the park that there is forward progress and an improvement in performance. As I said before I don't expect miracles but anyone thinking the club is going to get a long time to get it right after the downward trajectory of the last few years is dreaming. The problems we are trying to fix were caused by people in positions of power at the club, it's good they are taking more steps to try and fix them, but football is cut throat, as the many people the club have seen as dispensable in the last few years found out when we were in the midst of creating the current mess. There is going to be limited patience afforded as they try to fix the mess of their own making.

A quick fix may be unrealistic but evidence we are on the right track should be immediate. If it isn't then it suggests once again we probably aren't on said track.

One of the best posts I’ve read on here in a long, long time.

[Donegal Hibby]

The “ asking for patience “ line has well and truly been booted into touch now.

For years now we’ve been patient and nothing ever seems to come our way in terms of success.

If David gray fails to get out of the league cup group stage then we’ll be back to square one with a element of the support wanting the manager out and questioning the clowns that are running the club.

Could it be said that we had patience with Stubbs and did have success in winning the Scottish cup ?.

As to Gray failing to get out of the league cup group I think we will walk that unbeaten and quite possibly winning all our games .

[easty]

Could it be said that we had patience with Stubbs and did have success in winning the Scottish cup ?.

As to Gray failing to get out of the league cup group I think we will walk that unbeaten and quite possibly winning all our games .

Stubbs got patience because of the football. Aye, it was in the championship, but we were a good team. Even failing to get promoted it was enjoyable supporting Hibs.

That’s what’ll get Gray patience too, not any “look at how well we’re doing behind the scenes” stuff.

[Sioux]

Could it be said that we had patience with Stubbs and did have success in winning the Scottish cup ?.

As to Gray failing to get out of the league cup group I think we will walk that unbeaten and quite possibly winning all our games .

Stubbs was already the target for a number of fans, and on here, but winning the cup changed that for some.

[Smartie]

All of the proof, pudding etc that we're on the right track will boil down to the quality of player who arrives over the next few months.

If the players are clearly going to be good enough, the Hibs board will likely have earned their first bit of patience.

If the squad continues to grow without departures and with the arrivals being a familiar bunch of inexperienced fringe players from bigger clubs - nothing will have been done to earn patience and alleviate any tension that may have built up of late.

If they then start to pick up sub-par results and show poor performances on the park, it could get ugly, early.

Re Stubbs - good players were arriving during his tenure and it was obvious we were on the right track.

[Ozyhibby]

Stubbs was already the target for a number of fans, and on here, but winning the cup changed that for some.

I’m delighted he won the cup but it was right that he left afterwards. I think he’s the only Hibs manager in about 50+ years to finish below Falkirk. And considering the players he had at his disposal, that should have seen him sacked.
We won the cup though so he got a more dignified exit. I’m convinced he was mutually consented.
His record since shows we were well shot.


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[Ozyhibby]

Patience with Gray will depend on the level of funding he gets.


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[neil7908]

I think patience is the wrong word to be talking about. The fans have backed the club well over the years.

We have one of the best budgets in the league and are one of the best supported teams in Scotland.

The fans shouldn't be in the firing line or under scrutiny. It's over to the guys running things to do give us a successful football club. In no way should we have teams like Killie, Dundee and St Mirren finish above us again.

Time for the club to step up and deliver.

[InvertedFullBak]

Could it be said that we had patience with Stubbs and did have success in winning the Scottish cup ?.

As to Gray failing to get out of the league cup group I think we will walk that unbeaten and quite possibly winning all our games .

The cup win was merely a bonus in my eyes. The main objective was to get us out that division and he failed very badly.

I hope we qualify comfortably for everyone’s sakes but for David gray mostly.

[Paul1642]

I think patience is the wrong word to be talking about. The fans have backed the club well over the years.

We have one of the best budgets in the league and are one of the best supported teams in Scotland.

The fans shouldn't be in the firing line or under scrutiny. It's over to the guys running things to do give us a successful football club. In no way should we have teams like Killie, Dundee and St Mirren finish above us again.

Time for the club to step up and deliver.

We have backed the club, that’s is correct but we have not been patient.

The board don’t only sack managers when things can’t be turned around in their own opinion, but when fans start hounding mangers out they a forced into a reaction.

Alan Stubbs - if a sizeable chunk of the support had their way he would have been gone before he could win the cup.

Heckingbottom - Hounded out, yet became a premiership manager within a short period of time.

Jack Ross - best league finish in a generation, hounded out months later. Arguably where the rot begins.

Maloney - hounded out and has went on to do fine with Wigan.

LJ - Hounded out months after qualifying for Europe.

David Gray - TBC


Whilst I’m not suggesting all of these decisions were wrong, I can certainly say that we are not a patient bunch.

Other than Hecky > Ross very few of these changes had any real impact on our performances long term, at least not for the better. On the face it, we have addressed this by completely overhauling the club from top bottom in terms of Staff Roles, Finances and practices. Let’s give things a chance to settle than going nuts if things aren’t going great by September.

[Iain G]

The club have been consistently making changes, shuffling the deck and having resets for years now. Every single one has been hailed by various people, not always the same ones, as the one that is the solution to the problem. Appointing Brian McDermott only a year ago was one such solution then bringing in Montgomery was another. Yet here we are a few months later making more wholesale changes because the previous ones never looked close to working.

It's absolutely fine that people feel that this particular change is definitely 100% the one that is the solution to all the problems if we just give it weeks, months or even yeara. The track record suggests differently. What will buy the club time isn't big statements or more appointments that look good on paper. It's clear evidence on the park that there is forward progress and an improvement in performance. As I said before I don't expect miracles but anyone thinking the club is going to get a long time to get it right after the downward trajectory of the last few years is dreaming. The problems we are trying to fix were caused by people in positions of power at the club, it's good they are taking more steps to try and fix them, but football is cut throat, as the many people the club have seen as dispensable in the last few years found out when we were in the midst of creating the current mess. There is going to be limited patience afforded as they try to fix the mess of their own making.

A quick fix may be unrealistic but evidence we are on the right track should be immediate. If it isn't then it suggests once again we probably aren't on said track.

A lovely post...but they need the time to get it right or we will just end up in this repeating loop of despair and misery.

[Silky]

There will be patience for a few games till he loses the first derby. Then that's him done.

[GreenCastle]

I think patience is the wrong word to be talking about. The fans have backed the club well over the years.

We have one of the best budgets in the league and are one of the best supported teams in Scotland.

The fans shouldn't be in the firing line or under scrutiny. It's over to the guys running things to do give us a successful football club. In no way should we have teams like Killie, Dundee and St Mirren finish above us again.

Time for the club to step up and deliver.

100%.

I’ve patiently spent a fortune following Hibs - would be nice to have a season where things aren’t a total mess.

Add in some consistency and finishing in the table close to where we should be.

Clubs with less resources shouldn’t be above us often - so if we are behind Killie / St Mirren and Dundee again serious questions will be asked.

The manager will know the job required surely.

The board have taken another risk with a manager - he will either do well or it will be a complete disaster. Hopefully does well but if it goes wrong then I think the fans patience with everyone above Gray will be very thin and probably chased out the club.

[MWHIBBIES]

The “ asking for patience “ line has well and truly been booted into touch now.

For years now we’ve been patient and nothing ever seems to come our way in terms of success.

If David gray fails to get out of the league cup group stage then we’ll be back to square one with a element of the support wanting the manager out and questioning the clowns that are running the club.

ffs, I could get us out the league cup group stage. 4 easy wins. Not what Gray will be judged on. He'll do that part no problem.

[Donegal Hibby]

The cup win was merely a bonus in my eyes. The main objective was to get us out that division and he failed very badly.

I hope we qualify comfortably for everyone’s sakes but for David gray mostly.

I might be in the minority though I would have took the cup win over winning the championship all day long . That Championship was also probably the toughest I can remember too .

I have no worries about that group whatsoever.

[HibbyDave]

Just consistently win matches and he will get all the patience in the world.

[InvertedFullBak]

I might be in the minority though I would have took the cup win over winning the championship all day long . That Championship was also probably the toughest I can remember too .

I have no worries about that group whatsoever.


Three years in that league was terrible. I personally hated playing and losing to the part time dross that faced us.

[Iain G]

Just consistently win matches and he will get all the patience in the world.

How long do we give him to get to they point though?

[InvertedFullBak]

ffs, I could get us out the league cup group stage. 4 easy wins. Not what Gray will be judged on. He'll do that part no problem.

He will be judged on it if he does t make it out. People will be questioning the appointment and asking if he’s the right man for the job. That’s a nap.


Maybe you should’ve applied for it you think it’s that easy.

[DIXIHIBS]

The cup win was merely a bonus in my eyes. The main objective was to get us out that division and he failed very badly.

I hope we qualify comfortably for everyone’s sakes but for David gray mostly.

First time I've ever heard winning the cup after 114 years was'merely a bonus'...Take the cup over promotion any day.

[JimBHibees]

I might be in the minority though I would have took the cup win over winning the championship all day long . That Championship was also probably the toughest I can remember too .

I have no worries about that group whatsoever.

No your not wrong most if not all Hibees would think the same

[InvertedFullBak]

First time I've ever heard winning the cup after 114 years was'merely a bonus'...Take the cup over promotion any day.

Google dempsters first press conference when Stubbs was announced as manager. She made no comment about anything else except getting back to the premier league.

[MWHIBBIES]

Google dempsters first press conference when Stubbs was announced as manager. She made no comment about anything else except getting back to the premier league.

Yes, as that was her remit. She far exceeded it with the cup win. Well worth an extra year or two in that league.

[Real Emerald]

I might be in the minority though I would have took the cup win over winning the championship all day long . That Championship was also probably the toughest I can remember too .

I have no worries about that group whatsoever.

I think winning the cup is the highlight of a very long journey supporting Hibs. It is by miles and miles better than anything I’ve ever experienced Hibs doing. Even winning it again or winning the Champions League could never eclipse that day, weekend, week, year………………. for me. It was simply magical to be there with my wife, son, daughter in law and friends. We will remember it and will be long talked about when I’m long gone. So yes, I would take that cup win over everything else. 🇳🇬

[WeeRussell]

Three years in that league was terrible. I personally hated playing and losing to the part time dross that faced us.

There’s not a hibs fan on the planet that found the 2015/16 season ‘terrible’ or that cup win ‘merely a bonus’. Promotion or not.

Tattie-bye.

[sleeping giant]

Google dempsters first press conference when Stubbs was announced as manager. She made no comment about anything else except getting back to the premier league.

Haha. Yeah, bet she's gutted 😄

[Since452]

I think Gray will get far more patience purely because of who he is. The pressure will be on the board this time I think. They really have to make this work. They've made a very big call. They need to back him as much as possible by giving him the best chance possible to succeed.

[judas]

We need to give him a long chance or more. His current squad is honking and he needs to shed at least 10 of them.

Much building to be done.

[blackpoolhibs]

I think Gray will get far more patience purely because of who he is. The pressure will be on the board this time I think. They really have to make this work. They've made a very big call. They need to back him as much as possible by giving him the best chance possible to succeed.
Yip I agree with that.👍

[Skol]

I have my doubts. We haven’t as a group shown patience with other managers.

Only good results will give us the breathing room gray deserves.

[One Day Soon]

I'm willing to show patience for a short period of time.

[JimBHibees]

I think winning the cup is the highlight of a very long journey supporting Hibs. It is by miles and miles better than anything I’ve ever experienced Hibs doing. Even winning it again or winning the Champions League could never eclipse that day, weekend, week, year………………. for me. It was simply magical to be there with my wife, son, daughter in law and friends. We will remember it and will be long talked about when I’m long gone. So yes, I would take that cup win over everything else. 🇳🇬

Me too

[Alex Trager]

I detailed (at length) why I am NOT willing to be patient with the club anymore. I can’t see that changing anytime soon.

As for SDG, I will be patient with him if he shows capability.

The same goes for MM.

If we bring decent players in and we are undone by the odd error, injuries, or erroneous decision (highly likely) then the knives will be blunted.

If we do not bring in the quality required, then we will deserve what we get.

I have no trust in the club at the moment. They have a LOT to do to make me trust them. All I have is the past to judge them on. However, just because they acted poorly yesterday, doesn’t mean they will do so today. Lets make this season a season we can look back on in 1 year’s time and say: actually the club brought in people who identified the issues and acted appropriately.

However the season goes, if we can look and see that that has happened then trust will build, and critically to this thread, so too will patience.

If they perform as they have historically, I expect the knives will be sharper than ever and directed at those above SDG.

SDG will HAVE to show he is learning/adapting in his role though. However things go, be it bad or good, he will take his share of responsibility. Hopefully it all goes swimmingly. If it does not, then hopefully we can assess the situation and say the manager has pissed as well as he could with said implement.

It’s over to the club now.

[RIP]

If Malky, Brian and David are all singing from the same hymnsheet and presenting a strong, united front to the support, I'll be happy. All three have been recruited to perform a specific role in the success of the club on the park.

Mackay and McDermott both have experience managing at a good level in England. Gray has been at Hibs for ten years. Its nonsense to say that there's not enough experience for that team of three to make Hibs more successful.

What I and others wont be patient about is seeing the Head Coach in interview after interview and the other two hiding from the cameras.

David cant improve our fortunes on his own, that's for sure.

[wookie70]

If Malky, Brian and David are all singing from the same hymnsheet and presenting a strong, united front to the support, I'll be happy. All three have been recruited to perform a specific role in the success of the club on the park.

Mackay and McDermott both have experience managing at a good level in England. Gray has been at Hibs for ten years. Its nonsense to say that there's not enough experience for that team of three to make Hibs more successful.

What I and others wont be patient about is seeing the Head Coach in interview after interview and the other two hiding from the cameras.

David cant improve our fortunes on his own, that's for sure. Brian just got told to leave the band. I think that is a good move as there were too many chiefs and too many Indians. He was one of teh chiefs and at least partly responsible for there being so many Indians. Hopefully that is a sign that there is going to be a proper clear out and if that happens and some reasonable appointments are made I think patience will be forthcoming.

[hibeejeebies]

This thread is my idea of a very nice day out.

[HibbyDave]

Have we won any games yet?
Have we signed any new players yet?


😂😂😂

[GreenCastle]

Does feel a bit disjointed the way we announce things recently…

Lots of stories on here before officially being confirmed by Hibs.

Even the pre-season friendlies confirmed at different times. Most teams have a list and just release it at the same time.

I would expect surely Hibs to sign a player this week.

[Swedish hibee]

Patience? Depends who our first month games are against.