Boyle Speculation

[JimBHibees]

I have no issue with Boyle wanting a move. If his family have their heart set on Australia then fair enough.

There are ways to go about things though and publicly agitating for a move isn't a great look at all. Plenty players have moved on from Hibs for one reason or another and guys like McGinn and Doig who go about it the right way tend to leave with best wishes and lingering affection. The guys who publicly state how desperate they are to leave are more likely to attract the vitriol and ill feeling.

Fair post

[Stuart93]

I have no issue with Boyle wanting a move. If his family have their heart set on Australia then fair enough.

There are ways to go about things though and publicly agitating for a move isn't a great look at all. Plenty players have moved on from Hibs for one reason or another and guys like McGinn and Doig who go about it the right way tend to leave with best wishes and lingering affection. The guys who publicly state how desperate they are to leave are more likely to attract the vitriol and ill feeling.

I’m struggling to believe people have a different opinion on it than this.

I thought Boyle had a bit more respect for hibs tbh

[superfurryhibby]

I can think of almost 400,000 reason a year why that could be accurate.

This seems to be getting completely ignored by some posters as they prefer to focus on how Boyle's comments are lacking respect for the club.

[ancient hibee]

I have no issue with Boyle wanting a move. If his family have their heart set on Australia then fair enough.

There are ways to go about things though and publicly agitating for a move isn't a great look at all. Plenty players have moved on from Hibs for one reason or another and guys like McGinn and Doig who go about it the right way tend to leave with best wishes and lingering affection. The guys who publicly state how desperate they are to leave are more likely to attract the vitriol and ill feeling.
I’ve been away.Has Boyle said he’s desperate to move?

[superfurryhibby]

I’ve been away.Has Boyle said he’s desperate to move?

:confused: read the thread or at least the past few pages. It's conflicting, in an informative way

[Greenworld]

This seems to be getting completely ignored by some posters as they prefer to focus on how Boyle's comments are lacking respect for the club.The club or rather The young Ian Gordon started paying wages that were unheard of for Hibs .
You are right Martin and others got offered wages that were shall we say not sustainable for Hibs .
There's been a hell of a lot of money freed up from who's gone so far and Martin leaving would free a lot more .
It might well be Martin doing Hibs a favour agreeing to rip up his contract to allow him to move on .

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[tamig]

I have no issue with Boyle wanting a move. If his family have their heart set on Australia then fair enough.

There are ways to go about things though and publicly agitating for a move isn't a great look at all. Plenty players have moved on from Hibs for one reason or another and guys like McGinn and Doig who go about it the right way tend to leave with best wishes and lingering affection. The guys who publicly state how desperate they are to leave are more likely to attract the vitriol and ill feeling.

You’re not being explicit about Boyle here. Where in that interview does he indicate that he’s desperate for a move? He’s obviously said previously he’d like to play there at some stage - not specifically right now. My view is he’s being diplomatic with the interviewer. People here are piling into him because they’re looking at it in a totally different way. I still don’t think there’s anything said there where he’s disrespecting Hibs.

[Broken Gnome]

You’re not being explicit about Boyle here. Where in that interview does he indicate that he’s desperate for a move? He’s obviously said previously he’d like to play there at some stage - not specifically right now. My view is he’s being diplomatic with the interviewer. People here are piling into him because they’re looking at it in a totally different way. I still don’t think there’s anything said there where he’s disrespecting Hibs.

I could see how you could seduce there might be a bit of nudge nudge, wink wink as Boyle and the interviewer know a bit more than they're letting on, but from reading about the video before watching it's nowhere near as bad as people are making out.

[eastmainsmsh]

Is it Perth Glory Boyle going to ?

[worcesterhibby]

Just to add more context. There are several posters on the PM board saying that Boyle was told he could leave the club last season. Reluctant to say more on here, as I think people should pay the tenner for the privilege of the many insights we get on there (yes, you prolific poster, with the thousands of posts :wink:).

and more to the point there are excellent threads on where is the best donut shop in Edinburgh and how to get Taylor Swift tickets :greengrin

[Northernhibee]

and more to the point there are excellent threads on where is the best donut shop in Edinburgh and how to get Taylor Swift tickets :greengrin

The first rule of the private board is you don’t talk about the private board.

The second rule of the private board is you don’t talk about the private board

All new private board posters must post they’ve heard from a friend that were after Gary Twigg.

[cubehindthegoal]

It's not toxic at all - it's sport

Player A is quite good and hurts the opponent, does light hearted interviews after (ie) a semi final win that pokes fun at the broadcaster and the opponent = a target on your back

It's the same in any sport, any industry, any where.

Players like Ryan and Martin should take it as a compliment - it shows they are doing something right

Right enough, no bias against Hibs at all, and reflected in how our players are treated … omg …

.. he’d have been fine as a Celtic player, probably touted into the Scotland set up.

[cubehindthegoal]

:confused: read the thread or at least the past few pages. It's conflicting, in an informative way

We’d be crazy to let him go now … give him the desire to stay and be part of an improvement … last year isn’t a barometer, yet he did ok better than most. Where will we get the equivalent? Gray deserves the best kept. Unfortunately it’ll maybe take a year to change things for the better where other lesser players are concerned ..

[bod]

Just to add more context. There are several posters on the PM board saying that Boyle was told he could leave the club last season. Reluctant to say more on here, as I think people should pay the tenner for the privilege of the many insights we get on there (yes, you prolific poster, with the thousands of posts :wink:).

Why pay a tenner when people lift stuff to the main board ?

[cubehindthegoal]

Why pay a tenner when people lift stuff to the main board ?

I paid the tenner myself and don’t have access. Other stuff in life means I can’t always come on here anyway, so never bothered to question why, but maybe I should, if it is a source of knowledge that would save me typing something up that is ultimately meaningless or ridiculous to a fair number here. Admins, could you have a wee look for me? Thanks 😌

ps I pay a tenner as I think it helps support hibsnet to exist, and I can afford it at the moment all things considered.

[superfurryhibby]

Why pay a tenner when people lift stuff to the main board ?

It's a sampler to tempt them in, that's why we also mentioned the best doughnut in Edinburgh. I'm sure when guys want something kept quiet on the PM forum, they mention that and I don't think the Boyle info is really that much of a secret. It's no doubt been mentioned on here before, earlier in the year as a rumour. Club wanting to offload Boyle is hardly an earth shattering revelation. It helps add perspective to Boyle's recent interviews.

[Paul1642]

I mean if this was a player being linked with Hibs you would be confident it's a done deal

https://x.com/10FootballAU/status/1800538973112029270?t=fHQhjI7hjtrPkNqB8F1DNw&s=19

Nothing disrespectful about it all in my opinion. It was your fairly generic interview with a a player who has transfer speculation around him.

What was much more interesting is right at the end when the guy on the right drops a “continue the conversation”, pretty much confirming they talks are happening. I don’t know who he is but from context I assume he is linked to Perth Glory?

[Paul1642]

Why pay a tenner when people lift stuff to the main board ?

Losing the adds on mobile is worth a tenner alone.

[J-C]

Losing the adds on mobile is worth a tenner alone.

I'm happy to pay a tenner to keep this site working.

[gramskiwood]

I can't understand the anger from that short video clip. Football will always be a bit mercenary with little to no loyalty (another reason we should applaud the two players released by Hibs with over 1100 game between them). Could some of the folk getting angry about Boyles interview also be ones who think we should just move players on, pay them off or the likes? That is the same just turned about on itself. Personally I would like to see Boyle stay, if he goes then I will wish him good luck in his new venture and he will have left me with many a happy memory. If he stays I will be happy he is still here because despite what some folk are stating, he is still a very good footballer and would grace any team in our league.

:top marks

[Steve-O]

Didn't CCM pay a fee to sign Alou Koul from Stuttgart?

Looks like there was a rule change in 2022 but I still can’t find, or think of, any A-League club ever paying a fee, including Kuol (I didn’t look for long tbf).

As Fred says, most clubs have very limited dosh in any case and paying a transfer fee would be a waste of a significant sum. If it is allowed though I suppose they might think they can recoup some in attendances and Boyle merch.

[Paul1642]

Looks like there was a rule change in 2022 but I still can’t find, or think of, any A-League club ever paying a fee, including Kuol (I didn’t look for long tbf).

As Fred says, most clubs have very limited dosh in any case and paying a transfer fee would be a waste of a significant sum. If it is allowed though I suppose they might think they can recoup some in attendances and Boyle merch.

Out of interest why is this? Looking at average attendance stats (which I cannot confirm are accurate)

SPF average attendance disregarding the OF home crowds is around 9k, a figure bumped up by Hibs Hearts and Aberdeen.


Average A league attendance - Around 8k

If Scottish clubs like Killie and St Mirren for example can spend a couple of hundred thousand on mangers whilst bringing in 6k-7k crowds, what’s the reason that Austrian teams can’t, especially the larger ones with 10k+ crowds?

I appreciate there’s more to income than crowds but Scottish footballs comical deals aren’t anything great and prices are higher in Aus meaning their ticket prices should in theory be higher than ours?

[Forza Fred]

Out of interest why is this? Looking at average attendance stats (which I cannot confirm are accurate)

SPF average attendance disregarding the OF home crowds is around 9k, a figure bumped up by Hibs Hearts and Aberdeen.


Average A league attendance - Around 8k

If Scottish clubs like Killie and St Mirren for example can spend a couple of hundred thousand on mangers whilst bringing in 6k-7k crowds, what’s the reason that Austrian teams can’t, especially the larger ones with 10k+ crowds?

I appreciate there’s more to income than crowds but Scottish footballs comical deals aren’t anything great and prices are higher in Aus meaning their ticket prices should in theory be higher than ours?

Sydney FC, Western Sydney Wanderers, Melbourne Victory and Melbourne City are well heeled clubs and would probably survive regardless, but many other clubs are nowhere near as well off.

Guess their survival tends to hang to a great extent on the deep pockets of their owners.

Since the introduction of the old National Soccer League in 1977, I’ve lost count of the number of clubs that have went broke between then and now.

It’s probably stating the obvious but whereas Scotland is fitba daft and the overall season stats for ‘total attendances’ usually go close or exceed the total population..not so in Oz.

AFL and NRL dominate the sporting landscape..whether in TV money, sponsorship, media coverage, political patronage etc…

I was involved in a small way with a (then) major NSL club and can remember in the late 80’s when we actually had to PAY a TV channel to get air time on their programme.

There are lots of differences between Oz fitba and Scotland that are not encountered in the SPL which probably.also add to the costs …distance….air fares, majority of away games requiring overnight accommodation….most games with only a handful (literally) of away fans in attendance …..

The new owner of the Mariners wrote an open letter to their supporters when he took over saying that they basically needed an average home attendance of 10,000 to break even.

There is no money for winning the championship, or topping the league…and while the Mariners earned a couple of million by winning the AFC cup….in their original budget they budgeted for a $30k loss for taking part in it.

The tv allocation for last season to clubs will be drastically reduced as a result of failing to meet specific targets and while it was in the region of $3m for each club in the past few years, there are estimates that it could be as low as $0:5m this time.

So, it’s not as if you will get rich by investing in an A League club.

In spite of that, Oz still produces quality players, and at international level..especially in the women’s game is booming….with the Matildas selling out stadiums wherever they play.

But at club level, it’s a different story.

I’ve said before that if you conducted a quick Q&A interview in the street and asked random members of the public to name a current A League player….most wouldn’t be able to do so.

[Lago]

Sydney FC, Western Sydney Wanderers, Melbourne Victory and Melbourne City are well heeled clubs and would probably survive regardless, but many other clubs are nowhere near as well off.

Guess their survival tends to hang to a great extent on the deep pockets of their owners.

Since the introduction of the old National Soccer League in 1977, I’ve lost count of the number of clubs that have went broke between then and now.

It’s probably stating the obvious but whereas Scotland is fitba daft and the overall season stats for ‘total attendances’ usually go close or exceed the total population..not so in Oz.

AFL and NRL dominate the sporting landscape..whether in TV money, sponsorship, media coverage, political patronage etc…

I was involved in a small way with a (then) major NSL club and can remember in the late 80’s when we actually had to PAY a TV channel to get air time on their programme.

There are lots of differences between Oz fitba and Scotland that are not encountered in the SPL which probably.also add to the costs …distance….air fares, majority of away games requiring overnight accommodation….most games with only a handful (literally) of away fans in attendance …..

The new owner of the Mariners wrote an open letter to their supporters when he took over saying that they basically needed an average home attendance of 10,000 to break even.

There is no money for winning the championship, or topping the league…and while the Mariners earned a couple of million by winning the AFC cup….in their original budget they budgeted for a $30k loss for taking part in it.

The tv allocation for last season to clubs will be drastically reduced as a result of failing to meet specific targets and while it was in the region of $3m for each club in the past few years, there are estimates that it could be as low as $0:5m this time.

So, it’s not as if you will get rich by investing in an A League club.

In spite of that, Oz still produces quality players, and at international level..especially in the women’s game is booming….with the Matildas selling out stadiums wherever they play.

But at club level, it’s a different story.

I’ve said before that if you conducted a quick Q&A interview in the street and asked random members of the public to name a current A League player….most wouldn’t be able to do so.
That's a really good background on sport in Australia Fred, the one think that has always puzzled me is this, both cricket and rugby, both codes, transferred seamlessly from the UK to Qz, but football, soccer has always struggled to take hold, any idea why!?

[blackpoolhibs]

Sydney FC, Western Sydney Wanderers, Melbourne Victory and Melbourne City are well heeled clubs and would probably survive regardless, but many other clubs are nowhere near as well off.

Guess their survival tends to hang to a great extent on the deep pockets of their owners.

Since the introduction of the old National Soccer League in 1977, I’ve lost count of the number of clubs that have went broke between then and now.

It’s probably stating the obvious but whereas Scotland is fitba daft and the overall season stats for ‘total attendances’ usually go close or exceed the total population..not so in Oz.

AFL and NRL dominate the sporting landscape..whether in TV money, sponsorship, media coverage, political patronage etc…

I was involved in a small way with a (then) major NSL club and can remember in the late 80’s when we actually had to PAY a TV channel to get air time on their programme.

There are lots of differences between Oz fitba and Scotland that are not encountered in the SPL which probably.also add to the costs …distance….air fares, majority of away games requiring overnight accommodation….most games with only a handful (literally) of away fans in attendance …..

The new owner of the Mariners wrote an open letter to their supporters when he took over saying that they basically needed an average home attendance of 10,000 to break even.

There is no money for winning the championship, or topping the league…and while the Mariners earned a couple of million by winning the AFC cup….in their original budget they budgeted for a $30k loss for taking part in it.

The tv allocation for last season to clubs will be drastically reduced as a result of failing to meet specific targets and while it was in the region of $3m for each club in the past few years, there are estimates that it could be as low as $0:5m this time.

So, it’s not as if you will get rich by investing in an A League club.

In spite of that, Oz still produces quality players, and at international level..especially in the women’s game is booming….with the Matildas selling out stadiums wherever they play.

But at club level, it’s a different story.



I’ve said before that if you conducted a quick Q&A interview in the street and asked random members of the public to name a current A League player….most wouldn’t be able to do so.

With the woman's game going so well in Australia, maybe they could subsidise the mens game a bit to help?

[PHeffernan]

Sydney FC, Western Sydney Wanderers, Melbourne Victory and Melbourne City are well heeled clubs and would probably survive regardless, but many other clubs are nowhere near as well off.

Guess their survival tends to hang to a great extent on the deep pockets of their owners.

Since the introduction of the old National Soccer League in 1977, I’ve lost count of the number of clubs that have went broke between then and now.

It’s probably stating the obvious but whereas Scotland is fitba daft and the overall season stats for ‘total attendances’ usually go close or exceed the total population..not so in Oz.

AFL and NRL dominate the sporting landscape..whether in TV money, sponsorship, media coverage, political patronage etc…

I was involved in a small way with a (then) major NSL club and can remember in the late 80’s when we actually had to PAY a TV channel to get air time on their programme.

There are lots of differences between Oz fitba and Scotland that are not encountered in the SPL which probably.also add to the costs …distance….air fares, majority of away games requiring overnight accommodation….most games with only a handful (literally) of away fans in attendance …..

The new owner of the Mariners wrote an open letter to their supporters when he took over saying that they basically needed an average home attendance of 10,000 to break even.

There is no money for winning the championship, or topping the league…and while the Mariners earned a couple of million by winning the AFC cup….in their original budget they budgeted for a $30k loss for taking part in it.

The tv allocation for last season to clubs will be drastically reduced as a result of failing to meet specific targets and while it was in the region of $3m for each club in the past few years, there are estimates that it could be as low as $0:5m this time.

So, it’s not as if you will get rich by investing in an A League club.

In spite of that, Oz still produces quality players, and at international level..especially in the women’s game is booming….with the Matildas selling out stadiums wherever they play.

But at club level, it’s a different story.

I’ve said before that if you conducted a quick Q&A interview in the street and asked random members of the public to name a current A League player….most wouldn’t be able to do so.

Great post. Appreciated.

[Unseen work]

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/martin-boyle-hibs-transfer-link-29351457

[PHeffernan]

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/martin-boyle-hibs-transfer-link-29351457

The same rewritten and regurgitated guff from a week ago.
Football Scotland is a cut, paste and twist outfit who know no more than anyone of us who is up to date with what is happening in Scottish football.

Perth Glory appear to have little money so could not pay a transfer fee or pay Boyle the 350 to 400k he will earn this season at Hibs.

[hibsforeurope]

Boyle seems set on playing in the A-league I wonder if Auckland are looking for a marquee signing. I’m sure their owner could afford to pay his transfer fee.

[Bridge hibs]

Boyle seems set on playing in the A-league I wonder if Auckland are looking for a marquee signing. I’m sure their owner could afford to pay his transfer fee.

Is it not Australia which is the main attraction rather than New Zealand ?

[hibsforeurope]

Is it not Australia which is the main attraction rather than New Zealand ?

I’m not 100% sure, haven’t heard all the interview. Thought I heard him mention playing in the league.

[.Sean.]

With the woman's game going so well in Australia, maybe they could subsidise the mens game a bit to help?
😂😂😂

[PHeffernan]

Boyle seems set on playing in the A-league I wonder if Auckland are looking for a marquee signing. I’m sure their owner could afford to pay his transfer fee.

He certainly could. His name rhymes with goalie.

[Forza Fred]

That's a really good background on sport in Australia Fred, the one think that has always puzzled me is this, both cricket and rugby, both codes, transferred seamlessly from the UK to Qz, but football, soccer has always struggled to take hold, any idea why!?

Without wanting to start a 234. Page thread on ‘colonialism’ I guess how we could also look to how cricket is the sport of appeal in the likes of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc……I guess it’s the establishment of the ‘gentleman’ sports in those countries Britain influenced.

The US seems to have went their own way…..and Oz ended up with a hybrid of a few codes (AFL) but as. Say, think it’s just down to ‘first in’.

More recently, I remember a very early personal conversation only a few days after I arrived in 1974 and was asked what sport I followed and once I had convinced him that my football was the same as what he called ‘socca’ he told me that kids teams were always looking for coaches.
It was basically seen as a game kids played, but not adults…..despite the fact that Oz had just played in the World Cup finals……they just didn’t get it.

‘Socca’ was something that the wogs (Various European immigrants) played.

Much obviously has changed, but AFL and Rugby League is still entrenched in the Murdoch media.

[Forza Fred]

With the woman's game going so well in Australia, maybe they could subsidise the mens game a bit to help?

Lol

Somewhat ironic that after years of telling the fairer sex that they should live within their financial means us men put our hands out for a helping hand!

Seriously though….the APL who run the A Leagues are now a seperate body to to Football Australia who control the national teams…so funding is seperate.

The APL have stumbled from one stuff up to another….but while the Oz public hugely gets behind its national teams…there isn’t that much passion by any means for club sides….fitba club sides at any rate.

[Forza Fred]

Is it not Australia which is the main attraction rather than New Zealand ?

Absolutely

[Lago]

Without wanting to start a 234. Page thread on ‘colonialism’ I guess how we could also look to how cricket is the sport of appeal in the likes of India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc……I guess it’s the establishment of the ‘gentleman’ sports in those countries Britain influenced.

The US seems to have went their own way…..and Oz ended up with a hybrid of a few codes (AFL) but as. Say, think it’s just down to ‘first in’.

More recently, I remember a very early personal conversation only a few days after I arrived in 1974 and was asked what sport I followed and once I had convinced him that my football was the same as what he called ‘socca’ he told me that kids teams were always looking for coaches.
It was basically seen as a game kids played, but not adults…..despite the fact that Oz had just played in the World Cup finals……they just didn’t get it.

‘Socca’ was something that the wogs (Various European immigrants) played.

Much obviously has changed, but AFL and Rugby League is still entrenched in the Murdoch media.
Thanks for that Fred, interesting, one thing I remember from my merchant navy days and visits to both Australia and South Africa was the size of the young men, huge, I'm not small but the towered over me and I often thought perfectly suited to rugby etc all that sunshine and good food :agree:

[Steve-O]

Out of interest why is this? Looking at average attendance stats (which I cannot confirm are accurate)

SPF average attendance disregarding the OF home crowds is around 9k, a figure bumped up by Hibs Hearts and Aberdeen.


Average A league attendance - Around 8k

If Scottish clubs like Killie and St Mirren for example can spend a couple of hundred thousand on mangers whilst bringing in 6k-7k crowds, what’s the reason that Austrian teams can’t, especially the larger ones with 10k+ crowds?

I appreciate there’s more to income than crowds but Scottish footballs comical deals aren’t anything great and prices are higher in Aus meaning their ticket prices should in theory be higher than ours?

Less TV money, less sponsorship, ticket prices are far cheaper (£16 a game for me at Phoenix pretty much) and less actual games (27 a season)

[Steve-O]

Is it not Australia which is the main attraction rather than New Zealand ?

Probably, but an Auckland lifestyle with some money in your pocket isn’t too shabby either and 2-3 hour flight from Aussie.

[KeithWright9]

Probably, but an Auckland lifestyle with some money in your pocket isn’t too shabby either and 2-3 hour flight from Aussie.

Doesn’t really answer his issue of giving something back to the country who have given him so much international football though does is! That’s why he wants to go