Lets face it we are in a **** place right now

[Mrimbetween]

Where do we start ?? No manager right now .Don't know who's coming in never minding who's left in an abundance. Dreadful season ticket sales and that's from months ago. Apathy rules right now and I'm worried

Please please bring in a top manager and allow him to show intent as SDG aint the answer for me. love him to bits but he would become a patsy for the powers above that we have no control over

This place we are in right now stinks of vlad

Look ive bought 2 ST's but im scared..drunk rant over

[MWHIBBIES]

Where do we start ?? No manager right now .Don't know who's coming in never minding who's left in an abundance. Dreadful season ticket sales and that's from months ago. Apathy rules right now and I'm worried

Please please bring in a top manager and allow him to show intent as SDG aint the answer for me. love him to bits but he would become a patsy for the powers above that we have no control over

This place we are in right now stinks of vlad

Look ive bought 2 ST's but im scared..drunk rant over

Where do I start indeed.

It's only been a few weeks. Takes time to secure a manager.

What are our season ticket sales? Probably still much higher than the previous grim times.

You love him but speak about him like that? Gray is a good leader who loves the club. Nothing at all to suggest hed become a patsy.

I'm no fan of the owners but nothing at all like Vlad.

Don't drink and .net

[Spike Mandela]

Where do we start ?? No manager right now .Don't know who's coming in never minding who's left in an abundance. Dreadful season ticket sales and that's from months ago. Apathy rules right now and I'm worried

Please please bring in a top manager and allow him to show intent as SDG aint the answer for me. love him to bits but he would become a patsy for the powers above that we have no control over

This place we are in right now stinks of vlad

Look ive bought 2 ST's but im scared..drunk rant over

Maybe…………then again we could be at the start of something really exciting. Who knows?

[Hibernian Verse]

Hope you had paracetamol and a glass of water before bed

[Brooster]

Where do we start ?? No manager right now .Don't know who's coming in never minding who's left in an abundance. Dreadful season ticket sales and that's from months ago. Apathy rules right now and I'm worried

Please please bring in a top manager and allow him to show intent as SDG aint the answer for me. love him to bits but he would become a patsy for the powers above that we have no control over

This place we are in right now stinks of vlad

Look ive bought 2 ST's but im scared..drunk rant over

How many season tickets have we sold?

[Col2]

What’s the Vlad reference for? Hmmmm I bet I am not the only one thinking…sniff sniff…

[Jim44]

Where do we start ?? No manager right now .Don't know who's coming in never minding who's left in an abundance. Dreadful season ticket sales and that's from months ago. Apathy rules right now and I'm worried

Please please bring in a top manager and allow him to show intent as SDG aint the answer for me. love him to bits but he would become a patsy for the powers above that we have no control over

This place we are in right now stinks of vlad

Look ive bought 2 ST's but im scared..drunk rant over

Well that’s fairly cheered me up for the weekend.
Things could be worse ……… you could be a Jambo.:greengrin

[Caversham Green]

I'm surprised these things haven't been mentioned in any other threads.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Where do we start ?? No manager right now .Don't know who's coming in never minding who's left in an abundance. Dreadful season ticket sales and that's from months ago. Apathy rules right now and I'm worried

Please please bring in a top manager and allow him to show intent as SDG aint the answer for me. love him to bits but he would become a patsy for the powers above that we have no control over

This place we are in right now stinks of vlad

Look ive bought 2 ST's but im scared..drunk rant over

I remember my first pint.

[Garymcl]

Yeah Vlad reference dead giveaway mate try must have plenty money season ticket for both Edinburgh teams jog on actually looking forward to this season bring it on 🇳🇬

[thebausburst]

Genuinely at the stage where I’m so fed up with what a shambles Hibs have been/are that I have zero enthusiasm for the up coming season. The manager and player ‘rumours’ are so uninspiring all the excitement at the ‘Foley millions’ has drained away now I see the reality that it is clearly not the game changer everyone thought it would be.

[One Day]

We live in hope that the next appointment will be the right one. Onwards and upwards

[Waxy]

What’s the Vlad reference for? Hmmmm I bet I am not the only one thinking…sniff sniff…

Columbo would be all over him

[Forza Fred]

What’s the Vlad reference for? Hmmmm I bet I am not the only one thinking…sniff sniff…

You are not!

[Wilson]

Genuinely at the stage where I’m so fed up with what a shambles Hibs have been/are that I have zero enthusiasm for the up coming season. The manager and player ‘rumours’ are so uninspiring all the excitement at the ‘Foley millions’ has drained away now I see the reality that it is clearly not the game changer everyone thought it would be.

Live up to your username much?

[matty_f]

I actually think we've been in a bad place but are at the start of the road out of it.

Malky Mackay with a steer from Tiago Pinto is on the hook for sorting out the football department as from today (officially) in Malky's case.

The squad of last season will change significantly by the time the new season starts with the rebuild taking shape under the remit of Mackay, McDermott and whoever the new Head Coach is.

The Head Coach will be appointed in the coming days, bringing (hopefully) renewed optimism and leadership to the club.

The stadium is being refreshed with even the pitch getting the "rip it up and start again" treatment.


We should expect to see work start at HTC to build an indoor facility that's sorely lacking there now and we had towards the new season almost with a clean slate.

It's been brutal but I think we as a support need to let last season go now, give things space and time to build with the new regime supporting, and hope (because that's all we can do until the evidence tells us that hope is either well-placed or mis-placed) that the folk helping us are a while lot better at running a football club than those that have been doing it until now.

[GonzoReturns]

I actually think we've been in a bad place but are at the start of the road out of it.

Malky Mackay with a steer from Tiago Pinto is on the hook for sorting out the football department as from today (officially) in Malky's case.

The squad of last season will change significantly by the time the new season starts with the rebuild taking shape under the remit of Mackay, McDermott and whoever the new Head Coach is.

The Head Coach will be appointed in the coming days, bringing (hopefully) renewed optimism and leadership to the club.

The stadium is being refreshed with even the pitch getting the "rip it up and start again" treatment.


We should expect to see work start at HTC to build an indoor facility that's sorely lacking there now and we had towards the new season almost with a clean slate.

It's been brutal but I think we as a support need to let last season go now, give things space and time to build with the new regime supporting, and hope (because that's all we can do until the evidence tells us that hope is either well-placed or mis-placed) that the folk helping us are a while lot better at running a football club than those that have been doing it until now.

👏👏👏👏👏👏

[we are hibs]

I don't think we will ever be in a position to fully move on until certain people are no longer at the club.

Sent from my SM-A405FN using Tapatalk

[GreenPJ]

A head coach appointed next week. One maybe two signings by next weekend and people will start to feel better about the club.

[Keith_M]

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[Forza Fred]

I actually think we've been in a bad place but are at the start of the road out of it.

Malky Mackay with a steer from Tiago Pinto is on the hook for sorting out the football department as from today (officially) in Malky's case.

The squad of last season will change significantly by the time the new season starts with the rebuild taking shape under the remit of Mackay, McDermott and whoever the new Head Coach is.

The Head Coach will be appointed in the coming days, bringing (hopefully) renewed optimism and leadership to the club.

The stadium is being refreshed with even the pitch getting the "rip it up and start again" treatment.


We should expect to see work start at HTC to build an indoor facility that's sorely lacking there now and we had towards the new season almost with a clean slate.

It's been brutal but I think we as a support need to let last season go now, give things space and time to build with the new regime supporting, and hope (because that's all we can do until the evidence tells us that hope is either well-placed or mis-placed) that the folk helping us are a while lot better at running a football club than those that have been doing it until now.

I wish I could heartily agree that the squad will change significantly from last season, but we’ve got so many duds on the books with extended contracts that we are going to be stuck with, that I guess the definition of ‘significant’ is the key.

I DO see us getting a few loanees in….which no doubt will improve us ….but as far as signing players on permanent contracts, I’m not so sure we’ll see the root and branch clear out and renewal I think we need.

[Since452]

This is the start of the improvement. I'm feeling more optimistic than pessimistic.

[B.H.F.C]

I wish I could heartily agree that the squad will change significantly from last season, but we’ve got so many duds on the books with extended contracts that we are going to be stuck with, that I guess the definition of ‘significant’ is the key.

I DO see us getting a few loanees in….which no doubt will improve us ….but as far as signing players on permanent contracts, I’m not so sure we’ll see the root and branch clear out and renewal I think we need.

I think it’ll be hard to clear a lot of what we have on the books out and it probably won’t happen until later in the window.

Marshall, Hanlon, Stevenson and Le Fondre going will have freed up a decent bit of cash though. We will definitely get players in on permanents, there’s no way that won’t happen.

[Brooster]

I actually think we've been in a bad place but are at the start of the road out of it.

Malky Mackay with a steer from Tiago Pinto is on the hook for sorting out the football department as from today (officially) in Malky's case.

The squad of last season will change significantly by the time the new season starts with the rebuild taking shape under the remit of Mackay, McDermott and whoever the new Head Coach is.

The Head Coach will be appointed in the coming days, bringing (hopefully) renewed optimism and leadership to the club.

The stadium is being refreshed with even the pitch getting the "rip it up and start again" treatment.


We should expect to see work start at HTC to build an indoor facility that's sorely lacking there now and we had towards the new season almost with a clean slate.

It's been brutal but I think we as a support need to let last season go now, give things space and time to build with the new regime supporting, and hope (because that's all we can do until the evidence tells us that hope is either well-placed or mis-placed) that the folk helping us are a while lot better at running a football club than those that have been doing it until now.

Very good post, well said. Let's get behind the club and stop this constant moaning.

[marinello59]

Very good post, well said. Let's get behind the club and stop this constant moaning.

But I like the misery. :greengrin

[matty_f]

I think it’ll be hard to clear a lot of what we have on the books out and it probably won’t happen until later in the window.

Marshall, Hanlon, Stevenson and Le Fondre going will have freed up a decent bit of cash though. We will definitely get players in on permanents, there’s no way that won’t happen.

Exactly, plus Youan, Maolida, Marcondes, and Fish to add to the four players you mention there, gives eight first team players who will be replaced.

That's a significant overhaul and though I agree with Forza that we still have a bloated squad of "not good enoughs" we will be making attempts to work with them to find new clubs where they'll play, be that on loan or transferred out the club (or even paid up and feed in some cases).

I don't think we're all of a sudden going to be relying on Delferriere or Henderson etc, these players are on borrowed time at the club and they will likely be told that they won't feature so much.

[Smartie]

I actually think we've been in a bad place but are at the start of the road out of it.

Malky Mackay with a steer from Tiago Pinto is on the hook for sorting out the football department as from today (officially) in Malky's case.

The squad of last season will change significantly by the time the new season starts with the rebuild taking shape under the remit of Mackay, McDermott and whoever the new Head Coach is.

The Head Coach will be appointed in the coming days, bringing (hopefully) renewed optimism and leadership to the club.

The stadium is being refreshed with even the pitch getting the "rip it up and start again" treatment.


We should expect to see work start at HTC to build an indoor facility that's sorely lacking there now and we had towards the new season almost with a clean slate.

It's been brutal but I think we as a support need to let last season go now, give things space and time to build with the new regime supporting, and hope (because that's all we can do until the evidence tells us that hope is either well-placed or mis-placed) that the folk helping us are a while lot better at running a football club than those that have been doing it until now.

FWIW I agree - your first paragraph sums it up nicely.

It’s still nice to have a wee moan though and there’s no doubt that there’s a lot of hard work ahead with decisions we need to get right if we’re to properly kick on in the right direction again.

Some of our best times have followed on from relative “blank canvas” moments, of which I think this is one.

[matty_f]

FWIW I agree - your first paragraph sums it up nicely.

It’s still nice to have a wee moan though and there’s no doubt that there’s a lot of hard work ahead with decisions we need to get right if we’re to properly kick on in the right direction again.

Some of our best times have followed on from relative “blank canvas” moments, of which I think this is one.

It is good to have a wee moan-up, definitely. 😁

I'm hoping there's a lot less to moan about now, though.

[Paul1642]

All this talk of being in bad place before the window has been opened is nuts. We were in a bad place last season. We sacked the manager and will change a fair few of the players that need changing.

[greenlex]

But I like the misery. :greengrin
Dilly
Dilly

[Donegal Hibby]

MM's first official day at us .

New manager and staff next ....

Then some signings.....

Hopefully better times ahead for us .

:flag::flag::flag:

[Keith_M]

MM's first official day at us .

New manager and staff next ....

Then some signings.....

Hopefully better times ahead for us .

:flag::flag::flag:



Admins!

Launch this over-optimistic Nut Job!

[hibsbollah]

When i saw this post this morning, i really hoped it would get no responses. Its never a good sign when a poster himself feels the need to apologise for being steaming.

Football changes really really quickly. There is absolutely no point being concerned how your team is doing in early June.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Very good post, well said. Let's get behind the club and stop this constant moaning.

Indeed but the indoor pitch is on the back burner for the time being

[Spudster]

OP raging that Malky didn't get the head coach position fulfilled in 2hrs 10mins :rotflmao:

[matty_f]

Indeed but the indoor pitch is on the back burner for the time being

Where was that confirmed? I thought that might be the case but I couldn't find anything that said that anywhere.

Would be interesting to know the thinking behind that decision if that's the case, it was one of the selling points to shareholders when they pitched the Black Knight investment.

[Hiber-nation]

I'm totally peed off with Hibs just now but i can't wait for the season to start.

Suppose that says a lot more about me than it does about Hibs 😂

[Paul1642]

I'm totally peed off with Hibs just now but i can't wait for the season to start.

Suppose that says a lot more about me than it does about Hibs 😂

The cycle of supporting Hibs. No matter how bad the previous season, the moment it ends I can’t wait for the next one 😂

I also enjoy the summer window much more than I should.

[tamig]

Where do we start ?? No manager right now .Don't know who's coming in never minding who's left in an abundance. Dreadful season ticket sales and that's from months ago. Apathy rules right now and I'm worried

Please please bring in a top manager and allow him to show intent as SDG aint the answer for me. love him to bits but he would become a patsy for the powers above that we have no control over

This place we are in right now stinks of vlad

Look ive bought 2 ST's but im scared..drunk rant over

Its a great opportunity for a new beginning. Excitement not fear is what its about. Tbf you admitted you were bevied.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Where was that confirmed? I thought that might be the case but I couldn't find anything that said that anywhere.

Would be interesting to know the thinking behind that decision if that's the case, it was one of the selling points to shareholders when they pitched the Black Knight investment.

Was mentioned by Kensell at the Hibs 1st evening

[Mrimbetween]

Sorry chaps to much peeve last night ah well

[Smartie]

Sorry chaps to much peeve last night ah well

We’ve all been there.

[matty_f]

Was mentioned by Kensell at the Hibs 1st evening

Did he say specifically it was the pitch that was being shelved? Every reference I've found for it says that some stuff will be parked to focus on the first team but I could not see anything that said it was the indoor pitch.

[Keith_M]

Sorry chaps to much peeve last night ah well


Please don't apologise, it's one of the most entertaining posts on here for quite some time.


p.s. I hope the hied's not too sore.

:greengrin

[tamig]

Did he say specifically it was the pitch that was being shelved? Every reference I've found for it says that some stuff will be parked to focus on the first team but I could not see anything that said it was the indoor pitch.

It was suggested that planned infrastructure spend would be diverted to the football side of things. We know that certain infrastructure changes are ploughing ahead so the only other main one was the indoor pitch. More implied than explicit. But I think its fair to assume it’ll be parked.

[NAE NOOKIE]

It was suggested that planned infrastructure spend would be diverted to the football side of things. We know that certain infrastructure changes are ploughing ahead so the only other main one was the indoor pitch. More implied than explicit. But I think its fair to assume it’ll be parked.

One of the advances to the club talked about on the back of the BK investment that had the potential to be a real asset in attracting players was an indoor pitch. It was probably the biggest thing off the pitch they could have done short of fully enclosing the stadium. To see it shelved is, in all honesty, disappointing. Whatever the reason it already looks like an empty promise.

Until we see what the next 6 weeks or so brings the OP has a point. But with the obvious drop off in ST sales and the effort now required to sell STs for the BTG offering, we are going to have to see some bloody positive, even exciting, moves with regard to the playing squad before the season starts.

I must admit the draw for the group stages of the league cup has left me with only one feeling and that is that this club simply HAS to qualify for Europe, I doubt the games we play at ER will draw more than about 5 to 6 thousand fans, including away supporters.

However we do it, this club simply has to get a grip :confused:

[matty_f]

It was suggested that planned infrastructure spend would be diverted to the football side of things. We know that certain infrastructure changes are ploughing ahead so the only other main one was the indoor pitch. More implied than explicit. But I think its fair to assume it’ll be parked.

Thanks.

It's interesting that by diverting money to the football side of things they shelved the infrastructure project that was to improve the football side of things.

Seems a bit contradictory.

[NC1875]

Did he say specifically it was the pitch that was being shelved? Every reference I've found for it says that some stuff will be parked to focus on the first team but I could not see anything that said it was the indoor pitch.

Doesn’t matter what he said. I would look out the window to check if he told me it was raining.

The boys an absolute twat.

Massive part of why we find ourselves where we are.

[matty_f]

One of the advances to the club talked about on the back of the BK investment that had the potential to be a real asset in attracting players was an indoor pitch. It was probably the biggest thing off the pitch they could have done short of fully enclosing the stadium. To see it shelved is, in all honesty, disappointing. Whatever the reason it already looks like an empty promise.

Until we see what the next 6 weeks or so brings the OP has a point. But with the obvious drop off in ST sales and the effort now required to sell STs for the BTG offering, we are going to have to see some bloody positive, even exciting, moves with regard to the playing squad before the season starts.

I must admit the draw for the group stages of the league cup has left me with only one feeling and that is that this club simply HAS to qualify for Europe, I doubt the games we play at ER will draw more than about 5 to 6 thousand fans, including away supporters.

However we do it, this club simply has to get a grip :confused:

I agree with you about the pitch, that was - for me personally - a key reason in voting for the investment. Not the only reason, but a significant one. Imho, and I'm sure others will think I'm being picky, it is another example of short-termism with the decision making at the club and this constant knee-jerking into significant decisions.

We either need the pitch or we don't and while I can see that progressing the commercial project (Behind the Goals) generates income, is it going to bring in the income that a higher league placing, or better player development (and therefore sales) that they presumably expected to get from the indoor facility would?

What if we're rubbish again this season, do we just never bother with it so we can keep spending on the first team.

Maybe being overly picky with it, but we're not even 5 months on from that presentation at the AGM and they're already renaging on the plans and to me that's just reflective of the lack of strategic thinking at the club over the last few years.

[matty_f]

Doesn’t matter what he said. I would look out the window to check if he told me it was raining.

The boys an absolute twat.

Massive part of why we find ourselves where we are.

I was just trying to find something tangible to say that's what it was so as to try and avoid starting a rumour abut something that I had got wrong. Baldy and Tamig have confirmed though.

[Jones28]

Sorry chaps to much peeve last night ah well

I’ve done it, we’ve all done it.

Hibs.net right of passage to post a thread when steaming 👍

[Smartie]

One of the advances to the club talked about on the back of the BK investment that had the potential to be a real asset in attracting players was an indoor pitch. It was probably the biggest thing off the pitch they could have done short of fully enclosing the stadium. To see it shelved is, in all honesty, disappointing. Whatever the reason it already looks like an empty promise.

Until we see what the next 6 weeks or so brings the OP has a point. But with the obvious drop off in ST sales and the effort now required to sell STs for the BTG offering, we are going to have to see some bloody positive, even exciting, moves with regard to the playing squad before the season starts.

I must admit the draw for the group stages of the league cup has left me with only one feeling and that is that this club simply HAS to qualify for Europe, I doubt the games we play at ER will draw more than about 5 to 6 thousand fans, including away supporters.

However we do it, this club simply has to get a grip :confused:

The previous board got a lot of grief for investing in infrastructure to the detriment of the team. It was for a long-term benefit that arguably we are yet to see.

If the team were in better nick then long-term investment would make sense. With it being in the state it’s in currently, it’s hard to argue that all funds shouldn’t be directed into the team for now. With a better team we’ll get more fans through the gate to pay to watch the team and the investment into stuff like the indoor pitch can come from that.

When we’re an established top 4/5 club with regular European football, crowds at a certain level, cup performances at a consistent level and we’ve established what the take up is going to be in all of our new hospitality bits we can consider more footballing infrastructure.

To invest in more infrastructure when we’re a bottom six club with a team that it’s hard to get our fans outside the hardcore keen on watching would be madness imo.

[GreenCastle]

I think this season or even next few months is make or break for the club.

How will a new manager perform ?
How well did we recruit ?
How are ST sales and crowds?

All of these come down to the board and those running the club in key positions.

If things don’t go well they will be under severe pressure and fans will be raging even more.

So I see it as a win win…

We either improve and get a feel good factor around the club…or if it’s a disaster the fans revolt and chase those who are running the club poorly out the club for good.

[matty_f]

The previous board got a lot of grief for investing in infrastructure to the detriment of the team. It was for a long-term benefit that arguably we are yet to see.

If the team were in better nick then long-term investment would make sense. With it being in the state it’s in currently, it’s hard to argue that all funds shouldn’t be directed into the team for now. With a better team we’ll get more fans through the gate to pay to watch the team and the investment into stuff like the indoor pitch can come from that.

When we’re an established top 4/5 club with regular European football, crowds at a certain level, cup performances at a consistent level and we’ve established what the take up is going to be in all of our new hospitality bits we can consider more footballing infrastructure.

To invest in more infrastructure when we’re a bottom six club with a team that it’s hard to get our fans outside the hardcore keen on watching would be madness imo.

I get that, could have held off on the new hospitality suites though, rather than the pitch that just a few months ago was a key element in driving the team forward.

My gut feeling is that the infrastructure project has been ditched to plug the fall in the finances caused by the woeful season we've just had rather than they're being an extra c£1m spent on the playing squad - Ben made a big point in the losses in the last account being down to timing and that the figures were going to be a lot better in the next accounts, I don't think he was reckoning in is doing as badly as we did at that point.

[heidtheba]

Managers we got who I thought would be brilliant and had a proper pedigree;

Butcher
Monty
Calderwood
Williamson


Managers we got who I thought would be rubbish and had no pedigree;

Mowbray
Stubbs


If there's one thing being a (lapsed) Hibs fan has taught me, the appointments which I'm most certain about, (most of) the times where I was most sure we'd stay the distance/never recover...I've been wrong on most of them.

[NAE NOOKIE]

The previous board got a lot of grief for investing in infrastructure to the detriment of the team. It was for a long-term benefit that arguably we are yet to see.

If the team were in better nick then long-term investment would make sense. With it being in the state it’s in currently, it’s hard to argue that all funds shouldn’t be directed into the team for now. With a better team we’ll get more fans through the gate to pay to watch the team and the investment into stuff like the indoor pitch can come from that.

When we’re an established top 4/5 club with regular European football, crowds at a certain level, cup performances at a consistent level and we’ve established what the take up is going to be in all of our new hospitality bits we can consider more footballing infrastructure.

To invest in more infrastructure when we’re a bottom six club with a team that it’s hard to get our fans outside the hardcore keen on watching would be madness imo.

You could argue that every time a crowd at ER has exceeded 17,500 the new east has made us money since it was built.

That aside, surely the whole point of bringing the BKs on board was that we wouldn't be in an either / or situation. This isn't just one guy who is a billionaire, this is a group with multiple billions at it's disposal. Even then Foley's personal net worth is a reported 1.2 billion.

I would argue that if his assertion that he intends to get Hibs into Europe regularly is true, then the 5 million or so it would cost to build an indoor training facility is absolute peanuts, it's barely what Bournemouth would pay for a starting right back.

Saying we can't have things like that 'before' we are European regulars is to my mind putting Foley's cart before the horse. Surely investing in BOTH the playing squad and the best training facilities you can possibly get for them is the course of action that will make us European regulars.

If the plan is to be regulars in Europe before we can invest in state of the art training facilities AND better players, then what the hell is the point of the BKs at all? ..... that has always been the Hibs plan and if Foley's involvement isn't working to get us there in every way possible, to the extent that what we are doing is what we have always done, then what the hell is the point of him?

[GreenCastle]

Feels like the club need some unity.

Fans annoyed with players
Fans annoyed with recruitment
Fans annoyed with BK / Board
Fans annoyed with other fans / Block 7
Fans disagreeing about next manager

If the club want success and feel good factor back it has to give the fans something to be proud of less infighting.

[matty_f]

You could argue that every time a crowd at ER has exceeded 17,500 the new east has made us money since it was built.

That aside, surely the whole point of bringing the BKs on board was that we wouldn't be in an either / or situation. This isn't just one guy who is a billionaire, this is a group with multiple billions at it's disposal. Even then Foley's personal net worth is a reported 1.2 billion.

I would argue that if his assertion that he intends to get Hibs into Europe regularly is true, then the 5 million or so it would cost to build an indoor training facility is absolute peanuts, it's barely what Bournemouth would pay for a starting right back.

Saying we can't have things like that 'before' we are European regulars is to my mind putting Foley's cart before the horse. Surely investing in BOTH the playing squad and the best training facilities you can possibly get for them is the course of action that will make us European regulars.

If the plan is to be regulars in Europe before we can invest in state of the art training facilities AND better players, then what the hell is the point of the BKs at all? ..... that has always been the Hibs plan and if Foley's involvement isn't working to get us there in every way possible, to the extent that what we are doing is what we have always done, then what the hell is the point of him?

What bothers me is that we've seen that throwing money at the first team (when we do it) isn't the silver bullet.

The Gordons had to convert £5.5m of debt into shares, that debt was built up (in Ben Kensell's words) chasing sporting success - i.e. we overspent budgets to try and fix the mess with recruitment.

We finished 8th.

It blows my mind that the 'fix' this time is to do the same - exceed a budget that was already meant to be brilliant thanks to the extra investment at the expense of the indoor pitch that was hailed as a necessity as recently as the end of February.

It's short-term thinking that has been a hallmark of this regime and for as long as we keep sacking strategic plans on a whim, we'll continue to falter IMHO.

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What bothers me is that we've seen that throwing money at the first team (when we do it) isn't the silver bullet.

The Gordons had to convert £5.5m of debt into shares, that debt was built up (in Ben Kensell's words) chasing sporting success - i.e. we overspent budgets to try and fix the mess with recruitment.

We finished 8th.

It blows my mind that the 'fix' this time is to do the same - exceed a budget that was already meant to be brilliant thanks to the extra investment at the expense of the indoor pitch that was hailed as a necessity as recently as the end of February.

It's short-term thinking that has been a hallmark of this regime and for as long as we keep sacking strategic plans on a whim, we'll continue to falter IMHO.
Pretty spot on Matty. We really need to fix the foundations first. Everything else is just a waste.