Simon Murray

[truehibernian]

If ever there was a player and potential signing who would play his heart out for us, score goals, and connect the fans and team it’s this lad - he’s actually improved since leaving, has to be a major consideration as a first signing for me. Absolutely love his workrate, team ethic and desire to play attacking pressing football.

[SHODAN]

Yes

[superfurryhibby]

He would be a good addition to the squad, sign him.

[Trinity Hibee]

Impacts games and works an opposition defence. Sign

[Pretty Boy]

What is his contract situation?

I take it MM signed him for Ross County?

I'd take him. I can understand why he wasn't a first pick for us last time but I felt letting him go completely was a mistake. He was raw but his movement and work rate were good. Both look to be more refined now and he has the habit of being right place, right time.

[HendoDelivered]

Would take him back for sure, but apparently he wants to stay up North for family reasons.

[truehibernian]

Would take him back for sure, but apparently he wants to stay up North for family reasons.

I had a feeling Lennon might try to take him abroad.

[B.H.F.C]

He would be a sensible, low risk signing.

We always hear about such and such not being the type to take us to the next level, but the next level for us at the moment isn’t that high. We need to look at getting a competitive, hardworking, committed team on the park and go from there. Murray would give us all that and chip in with his share of goals.

[Bostonhibby]

No brainer for the wider squad, so it's more likely we will find some random from wherever who will set fire to the kitchen

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[Pretty Boy]

He would be a sensible, low risk signing.

We always hear about such and such not being the type to take us to the next level, but the next level for us at the moment isn’t that high. We need to look at getting a competitive, hardworking, committed team on the park and go from there. Murray would give us all that and chip in with his share of goals.

Yep.

If Murray is the star signing it's probably a wee bit concerning. If he's an option brought in to strengthen the squad then he's a solid bit of business.

Dare I say that it's a policy Hearts seem to be adopting and they are were we are aspiring too.

[B.H.F.C]

Yep.

If Murray is the star signing it's probably a wee bit concerning. If he's an option brought in to strengthen the squad then he's a solid bit of business.

Dare I say that it's a policy Hearts seem to be adopting and they are were we are aspiring too.

For me, we need two strikers. If Murray was one of them, I’d be relatively happy. If he was the only one, less so.

If we signed him and he chipped in with a dozen goals but brought all the other things you get from him, he’d improve what we have.

[random sub]

Agree he would be a good signing but I’m not sure County would let him go without a really decent fee…and would he be worth it for a really decent fee?

[ancient hibee]

I’m a wee bit surprised about some of the put downs-squad player-not main striker etc. How many 20 goals a season strikers have we got?Have I missed them?

[wookie70]

I’m a wee bit surprised about some of the put downs-squad player-not main striker etc. How many 20 goals a season strikers have we got?Have I missed them? Very few 20 a season strikers(without pens) at the top of the league never mind playing relegation play offs. I was surprised we sold him as he is a player that is fairly unusual these days. A real worker, can score goals and also has a bit about him

[CentreForward]

Agree he would be a good signing but I’m not sure County would let him go without a really decent fee…and would he be worth it for a really decent fee?



Pretty sure he’s out of contract so would be no fee involved.

[K-Zazu]

I would take him to Germany

[Hiber-nation]

Can't be underestimated how a player like Murray can get the crowd going with his effort and attitude.

[wookie70]

Pretty sure he’s out of contract so would be no fee involved.
Contract ends 31 May 2024

[truehibernian]

Can't be underestimated how a player like Murray can get the crowd going with his effort and attitude.

That’s exactly my point and it’s what this squad needs.

[Bostonhibby]

I’m a wee bit surprised about some of the put downs-squad player-not main striker etc. How many 20 goals a season strikers have we got?Have I missed them?[emoji106]just to clarify, I wouldn't have let him go in the first place, had, and has all the characteristics to do well as a regular at Hibs. Enthusiasm and effort more than made up for any other perceived reason for us to let him go. I think he was badly managed.

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[CentreLine]

Pretty sure he’s out of contract so would be no fee involved.

Then it becomes a no brained. Liked his rawness and passion when he was with us before but he was perhaps too raw. Now, on the other hand, we need his kind of mad passion and crazy work rate in the squad.

[K-Zazu]

What was the story with him moving to that team in South Africa? Seemed quite a strange move at the time, think he got a really bad injury over there too.

[CentreForward]

Contract ends 31 May 2024


Thought so. Perfectly timed then for MM to sign him the day after on his first day at work!

[B.H.F.C]

Contract ends 31 May 2024

If that is the case it’s an absolute no brainer to try and get him.

He’s not one for the long term at 32 but with the form he’s shown this season he instantly impacts the team.

[CentreForward]

Then it becomes a no brained. Liked his rawness and passion when he was with us before but he was perhaps too raw. Now, on the other hand, we need his kind of mad passion and crazy work rate in the squad.


Agreed!

[truehibernian]

If that is the case it’s an absolute no brainer to try and get him.

He’s not one for the long term at 32 but with the form he’s shown this season he instantly impacts the team.

I’d give him 2 year deal with a year option - he’s fit as a fiddle. Great around the squad too for that length of contract.

[Mrimbetween]

I heard Dundee were after him

[MelbourneHibees]

He could be the difference between County staying up or going down next season so they would want a decent fee. No idea how long his contract length is.

[WeeRussell]

He could be the difference between County staying up or going down next season so they would want a decent fee. No idea how long his contract length is.

See couple posts above - out of contract in a few days

[CentreForward]

He could be the difference between County staying up or going down next season so they would want a decent fee. No idea how long his contract length is.


Ends in a few days at the end of this month so perfect timing! Would not put it beyond Hearts actually signing him. Most of them will think that they’re above that sort of player now, but he would probably score a good number of the goals that Shankland does.

[Unseen work]

He would be really good, especially for the team we had this season.

His physicality, pace and all energy running out wide and in behind would have helped the likes of Boyle, Marcondes and Myziane. Also the rest of the team as he would have been a good out ball.

An incredible amount of goals this season for a team that finished 2nd bottom.

If we sign someone for free that’s better than Simon Murray I think we’ll be doing well.

[Eyrie]

I was in favour of bringing him back a couple of years ago as a versatile squad player and I'd do so this summer. Murray is a proven goal scorer in this league who is willing to work hard for the team.

[04Sauzee]

I'd be surprised if we don't sign better than Murray in the summer.

[Smartie]

I'd be surprised if we don't sign better than Murray in the summer.

Based on about the past 7 or 8 summer transfer windows, be surprised if we do.

[JammyDoidger]

Give me 10 Simon Murray's over 10 Emiliano Marcondes every day of the week. Works his socks off and what he doesn't have in natural ability he makes up for with the hard work. If we had 10 players with Murray's work rate and enthusiasm we would be a lot better off. Take him back in a heartbeat.

[B.H.F.C]

He would be really good, especially for the team we had this season.

His physicality, pace and all energy running out wide and in behind would have helped the likes of Boyle, Marcondes and Myziane. Also the rest of the team as he would have been a good out ball.

An incredible amount of goals this season for a team that finished 2nd bottom.

If we sign someone for free that’s better than Simon Murray I think we’ll be doing well.

Even though he’s had a really good season, I was still a bit wary of trying to sign him. Sometimes things just click for a player somewhere and it’s difficult to repeat. But the way he plays, he’d give himself every chance of doing well. On a free transfer I think it’s a no brainer. We need a squad, he wouldn’t cost a fortune and he’d definitely offer something. There wouldn’t be many better free transfers kicking around IMO, but I’m. It sure he’s one we’ll be after anyway.

[badabing67]

What is his contract situation?

I take it MM signed him for Ross County?

I'd take him. I can understand why he wasn't a first pick for us last time but I felt letting him go completely was a mistake. He was raw but his movement and work rate were good. Both look to be more refined now and he has the habit of being right place, right time.


Out of contract on the 31st of May 2024. We can approach him now.

[Unseen work]

Even though he’s had a really good season, I was still a bit wary of trying to sign him. Sometimes things just click for a player somewhere and it’s difficult to repeat. But the way he plays, he’d give himself every chance of doing well. On a free transfer I think it’s a no brainer. We need a squad, he wouldn’t cost a fortune and he’d definitely offer something. There wouldn’t be many better free transfers kicking around IMO, but I’m. It sure he’s one we’ll be after anyway.

I posted on another thread, but there’s some really good players out of contract this summer that we should be looking at imo

Ryan Strain - albeit don’t think this is a position we need more players in
Jason Kerr
Michael Hector

Greg Docherty
Jeando Fuchs
Dan Phillips
Will Vaulks
Jamie Lindsay

Simon Murray
Devante Cole

Obviously some won’t want to come etc but there’s really good options out there.

[tonyrougier123]

Should be a priority signing,knows the club great work rate. Was a great character to have around. I’ve always enjoyed players that play with an honesty and determined attitude. We need more of them! Was let go too eagerly by Lennon,although it did pay off,Murray wasn’t the issue.

[Onion]

If we're looking to remain mid-table, then Simon Murray is the man to sign. I recall his first few games for Hibs, energetic, annoying, busy and affective. He quickly realised this is not enough at Hibs and any amount of running around would not fill the gap in quality that was lacking in midfield. After half a dozen games, he was done. Became a headless chicken, without the drive to run around much.

Sometime players are perfect for certain teams, and Simon Murray is a good example. He's perfect for RC, their style of play and level. Who else is interested in Simon Murray ?

[Rob]

If we're looking to remain mid-table, then Simon Murray is the man to sign. I recall his first few games for Hibs, energetic, annoying, busy and affective. He quickly realised this is not enough at Hibs and any amount of running around would not fill the gap in quality that was lacking in midfield. After half a dozen games, he was done. Became a headless chicken, without the drive to run around much.

Sometime players are perfect for certain teams, and Simon Murray is a good example. He's perfect for RC, their style of play and level. Who else is interested in Simon Murray ?
I'm with you. He scored a few goals early on, a lot of those were in the League Cup group stages against lower league opponents, he also scored a winner against the yams, which is a plus point, but overall he wasn't good enough for us back then.

The idea that he's the answer now aged 32 after one good season at Ross County is a bit hard to buy into. I agree with you, sometimes a player finds the right team to bring out the best in him, and that seems to have happened at Ross County this season, but he's 32, not 22. If he was capable of playing at a higher level then he would have shown that by now.

[Clarence]

I don’t know if he’s got better or if the level of opposition he faces in premier league has got worse, relative to 2018 standards.

[Broken Gnome]

He'd have to decide between being the main man somewhere - staying at Ross County on well paid new contract I'd imagine - and a bit part at Hibs. As likeable as he is, we're obviously not building a team around him. That's a pretty big decision at 32.

There might also be that impact somewhere have spoken of on this forum about guys like Theo Bair and Florian Kamberi. That one untouchable goal scoring season isn't followed up by similar form.

[Brooster]

Would I rather have Jair in the squad prancing around on the left at £4k pw contributing zero or Simon Murray terrorising defenders, scoring goals and making assists at probably less than £4k pw? Let me think.

[Brightside]

Once again. He wants to stay up north. And also once again he would be murder on a team like hibs. Unless we all suddenly wan 442 again

[hibsbollah]

If we're looking to remain mid-table, then Simon Murray is the man to sign. I recall his first few games for Hibs, energetic, annoying, busy and affective. He quickly realised this is not enough at Hibs and any amount of running around would not fill the gap in quality that was lacking in midfield. After half a dozen games, he was done. Became a headless chicken, without the drive to run around much.

Sometime players are perfect for certain teams, and Simon Murray is a good example. He's perfect for RC, their style of play and level. Who else is interested in Simon Murray ?

I agree with this. There’s far, far too much simplistic thinking where we go buy someone whos had ‘success’ in one team in one particular context and think he will automatically be a success in our context. How are we looking to play? Where would a simon murray fit into that? Is hitting teams on the break while playing low percentage diagonal balls and getting <40% possession every game the way we’re playing? If not and we want players that will break down teams playing through defenses, is that Murrays game? Certainly didnt look like it when he was here before. Its far from a ‘no brainer’, and since hes had a bit of success up there he’s highly unlikely to come cheap wages wise even if he’s out of contract. He’ll be wanting nothing less than a long-term deal.

[Bishop Hibee]

No chance we’ll sign him.

[BILLYHIBS]

Was surprised when he was released the only issue I could see was he kept running offside apart from that he was prolific for us especially against the lesser teams like Hearts :greengrin certainly one worth keeping

You could start a whole new thread on players we have released too early that could still do a job for us
Gogic Hartley Paul McGinn ( the best player in his hoose) and Hanlon to name a few :greengrin

[Hiber-nation]

Once again. He wants to stay up north. And also once again he would be murder on a team like hibs. Unless we all suddenly wan 442 again

Sounds like you know him personally and also know who the next manager will be and how he will want to set the team up.

[oneone73]

Was surprised when he was released the only issue I could see was he kept running offside apart from that he was prolific for us especially against the lesser teams like Hearts :greengrin certainly one worth keeping

You could start a whole new thread on players we have released too early that could still do a job for us
Gogic Hartley Paul McGinn ( the best player in his hoose) and Hanlon to name a few :greengrin
And Gordon Smith

[worcesterhibby]

I'd love to see us sign him and build the team around him.

[Deeklipse]

Was surprised when he was released the only issue I could see was he kept running offside apart from that he was prolific for us especially against the lesser teams like Hearts :greengrin certainly one worth keeping

You could start a whole new thread on players we have released too early that could still do a job for us
Gogic Hartley Paul McGinn ( the best player in his hoose) and Hanlon to name a few :greengrin

Hartley is 47 now. Were you thinking of playing him in the deeper role he played later in his career, or back on the wing like when he was at Hibs?

[Heisenberg]

I'd love to see us sign him and build the team around him.

Build the team around a 32 year old Simon Murray? Not for me. I’d 100% have him as an option in the squad but not sure he’d be happy with that. Dundee seems like the most sensible move for him.

[Broken Gnome]

I'd love to see us sign him and build the team around him.

I don't care how bad we've been or what a low were at, any pre-season/summer where Hibs planned that would be about as uninspiring as it gets.

[Since452]

Murray would run through a brick wall for any team he played for. Would definitely be a useful squad player but reckon he'll want to be playing regularly somewhere.

[eastterrace]

I'd love to see us sign him and build the team around him.
This is a wind up jeez hope the new manager doesn’t have your point of view or we are in trouble.

[CapitalGreen]

It should be noted, the majority of his goals have come while playing in a front 2, often with a target man partner and a very creative attacking midfielder behind him. At Hibs he’d probably be isolated up front on his own with our wingers hugging the touchline playing for themselves and our central midfielders getting a nosebleed if they get within 30 yards of the opposition box.

[BILLYHIBS]

Hartley is 47 now. Were you thinking of playing him in the deeper role he played later in his career, or back on the wing like when he was at Hibs?

Was thinking play him and Scott Brown as holding midfielders even at 47 and 38 would still do a better job than last season’s lot :greengrin

[SHODAN]

Seven goals in his first four games for us. Scored in wins against Hearts and Rangers. Arguably now a better player than when he left. We could do far, far worse.

[marinello59]

Seven goals in his first four games for us. Scored in wins against Hearts and Rangers. Arguably now a better player than when he left. We could do far, far worse.

Would he want to come back to Hibs. I’’m not sure he would at the moment.

[theonlywayisup]

It should be noted, the majority of his goals have come while playing in a front 2, often with a target man partner and a very creative attacking midfielder behind him. At Hibs he’d probably be isolated up front on his own with our wingers hugging the touchline playing for themselves and our central midfielders getting a nosebleed if they get within 30 yards of the opposition box.

Totally agree! Amazing that people still think you can take a player from one team and place him in another an expect the same result.

I don't know much about Ross County's midfield but ours lack energy and creativity.

[Since452]

Totally agree! Amazing that people still think you can take a player from one team and place him in another an expect the same result.

I don't know much about Ross County's midfield but ours lack energy and creativity.

I don't either but they were in a relegation playoff. Would suggest their midfield is worse than ours.

[ancient hibee]

Totally agree! Amazing that people still think you can take a player from one team and place him in another an expect the same result.

I don't know much about Ross County's midfield but ours lack energy and creativity.

Haven’t you just described how the transfer market works?

[The Rebel]

Would I rather have Jair in the squad prancing around on the left at £4k pw contributing zero or Simon Murray terrorising defenders, scoring goals and making assists at probably less than £4k pw? Let me think.

That’s a very good point. Some will continue to say that Murray is not the calibre of player Hibs should be looking at, but I’d definitely bring him in. As you say, he’d offer so much more than options that we currently have.
Defenders hate being harassed, and Murray will do that all game. I’ve lost count this season how many times I’ve been so frustrated at players that appear not to bother chasing a ball down or making a challenge that seems to be there to be made. Jair and Youan the biggest culprits.
Yes Murray may not be the glamour signing that’ll excite the fans, but in any game he’ll get the fans right behind him, through his tenacity and work rate. May help the team in one of those flat games as fans love to see the commitment that he’ll bring. Will generate an atmosphere that the rest of the team could benefit from.

[JJP]

Would be a great signing if we could get him.

[CentreForward]

That’s a very good point. Some will continue to say that Murray is not the calibre of player Hibs should be looking at, but I’d definitely bring him in. As you say, he’d offer so much more than options that we currently have.
Defenders hate being harassed, and Murray will do that all game. I’ve lost count this season how many times I’ve been so frustrated at players that appear not to bother chasing a ball down or making a challenge that seems to be there to be made. Jair and Youan the biggest culprits.
Yes Murray may not be the glamour signing that’ll excite the fans, but in any game he’ll get the fans right behind him, through his tenacity and work rate. May help the team in one of those flat games as fans love to see the commitment that he’ll bring. Will generate an atmosphere that the rest of the team could benefit from.


Agree entirely! I actually suspect it won’t happen as that would just be too sensible for us, but please bring him in Hibs!

[KeithTheHibby]

It is a squad game nowadays therefore he is definitely worth pursuing if available.
The only issue for me would he want to come back to Hibs to spend more time on the bench?
He is pretty much a hero up there and can imagine he would want to play each week so may be a non-starter from his end.

[Hibiza]

Big mistake letting him go. Come back Simon.

[CentreForward]

It is a squad game nowadays therefore he is definitely worth pursuing if available.
The only issue for me would he want to come back to Hibs to spend more time on the bench?
He is pretty much a hero up there and can imagine he would want to play each week so may be a non-starter from his end.


Have read another poster on here suggesting that he is happy up there and wouldn’t want to move so perhaps even the lure of doubling his wages or more might not be enough. The other factor definitely has to be would he really want to spend more time on the bench than he does now?

[cocopops1875]

I keep saying his goals per mins in the league is not any better than ALFs.

And I say that as someone who likes Murray

[ian cruise]

Sounds like you know him personally and also know who the next manager will be and how he will want to set the team up.

It doesn't say anything about the manager, it says unless we all want to set up 442 again. The new manager, however that might be, may chose to set up 442 but guarantee it is met with gnashing of teeth ad dismay on here and other socials as it was immediately unpopular when Montgomery used it.

[DH1875]

Is there not a reason he is at Ross County and by that I don't mean ability wise, I mean like in his personal life or something.

[Peanut Shaz]

Is there not a reason he is at Ross County and by that I don't mean ability wise, I mean like in his personal life or something.

I believe his young Son is autistic. (he has mentioned it publicly). He may have his support in place in the area for nursery/schooling etc.

[superfurryhibby]

I keep saying his goals per mins in the league is not any better than ALFs.

And I say that as someone who likes Murray


Murray has 23 goals from 46 appearances/3691 mins

Le Fondre has 5 goals from 29 appearances/1286 mins

That doesn't look like a similar goals to minutes ratio to me.

[cocopops1875]

Murray has 23 goals from 46 appearances/3691 mins

Le Fondre has 5 goals from 29 appearances/1286 mins

That doesn't look like a similar goals to minutes ratio to me.

League goals per mins Alf is actually more potent than Simon
SM 14 goals, played 2953mins =1 Goal every 210mims
Alf 5 goals , played 956mins = 1 goal ecery 191mins

So I stand by my original post.

[MWHIBBIES]

Big mistake letting him go. Come back Simon.

It was certainly not a big mistake at the time. We were much stronger afterwards.

[timewilltell]

If ever there was a player and potential signing who would play his heart out for us, score goals, and connect the fans and team it’s this lad - he’s actually improved since leaving, has to be a major consideration as a first signing for me. Absolutely love his workrate, team ethic and desire to play attacking pressing football.

Why did we let him go then?

[easty]

It was certainly not a big mistake at the time. We were much stronger afterwards.

Exactly this.

It’s the same kind of thing people say about Gogic now, despite him being allowed to leave cos he’d been ***** for 6 months.

[hibsbollah]

League goals per mins Alf is actually more potent than Simon
SM 14 goals, played 2953mins =1 Goal every 210mims
Alf 5 goals , played 956mins = 1 goal ecery 191mins

So I stand by my original post.

I wish football would decide whether we use league n cup stats, or just league stats, so we get some kind of commonly understood comparison. It seems you choose which measure to use to constructing a position, not to get any real understanding. In this case, comparing the two players is difficult since one was used a lot more than the other, one was injured more than the other, and one was in a counter attacking team as part of a two and the other player wasnt. The first player also unsurprisingly looks a lot better when cup games , which he played a lot of, and almost always against weaker opposition, were taken into account.

[easty]

I wish football would decide whether we use league n cup stats, or just league stats, so we get some kind of commonly understood comparison. It seems you choose which measure to use to constructing a position, not to get any real understanding. In this case, comparing the two players is difficult since one was used a lot more than the other, one was injured more than the other, and one was in a counter attacking team as part of a two and the other player wasnt. The first player also unsurprisingly looks a lot better when cup games , which he played a lot of, and almost always against weaker opposition, were taken into account.

They should run like a draft combine, like they do in NFL, for all the players in the SPL before the season starts. Same conditions for everyone. Then we can point back to exactly who is better.

[Since452]

Is there any other fanbase who crave ex players coming back as much as us? I remember a similar thread about Oli Shaw. FWIW i like Murray, he's a trier, but we need to be aiming much, much higher.

[Wilson]

Is there any other fanbase who crave ex players coming back as much as us? I remember a similar thread about Oli Shaw. FWIW i like Murray, he's a trier, but we need to be aiming much, much higher.

That is a lazy observation.

Simon Murray's contribution over the last few weeks would draw our attention even if he hadn't played for us.

He has been a standout for them and he has done it when I counts.

I like the idea of aiming much much higher. We'd be doing well,though, to get someone who grafts for the team and returns a similar goal return as Murray could.

Sometimes a bankable known quantity is better value than the excitment of the unknown.

[tonyrougier123]

Is there any other fanbase who crave ex players coming back as much as us? I remember a similar thread about Oli Shaw. FWIW i like Murray, he's a trier, but we need to be aiming much, much higher.

I’d have Murray back but wouldn’t take Nisbet back. Depends on what you see in a player and what he brings. Positive selfless player over negative selfish players. Funnily enough Murray’s game dipped when stokes came in permanently,another selfish striker. Murray is exactly what we need right now. Graft strength fairly doable transfer. If we are building a team it will need signings like that as well as the anticipated signings folk assume we will make.

[Smartie]

That is a lazy observation.

Simon Murray's contribution over the last few weeks would draw our attention even if he hadn't played for us.

He has been a standout for them and he has done it when I counts.

I like the idea of aiming much much higher. We'd be doing well,though, to get someone who grafts for the team and returns a similar goal return as Murray could.

Sometimes a bankable known quantity is better value than the excitment of the unknown.

There’s also the inevitability that over the next few weeks we’ll be listening to a new head coach come out with some trite sound bites about wanting to play a high press…

Then trying to do it with a limited poacher.

It’s fairly normal for us to suggest that if we’re going to play that way that we maybe do it with someone who has actually helped cause our defenders to make mistakes leading to goals in recent weeks and who you'd expect to do so to decent effect over the course of a season.

[easty]

I’d have Murray back but wouldn’t take Nisbet back. Depends on what you see in a player and what he brings. Positive selfless player over negative selfish players. Funnily enough Murray’s game dipped when stokes came in permanently,another selfish striker. Murray is exactly what we need right now. Graft strength fairly doable transfer. If we are building a team it will need signings like that as well as the anticipated signings folk assume we will make.

Nisbet over Murray anyday.

I dinnae feel like I have to like our players, I just want them to be good.

[tonyrougier123]

Nisbet over Murray anyday.

I dinnae feel like I have to like our players, I just want them to be good.

Nisbet was a moody wee git! Didn’t like his style at all and half his goals were pens! Average and no swagger to go with a poor attitude,delighted we got cash for him well in excess of his worth! Just not for me bud.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Nisbet was a moody wee git! Didn’t like his style at all and half his goals were pens! Average and no swagger to go with a poor attitude,delighted we got cash for him well in excess of his worth! Just not for me bud.

Nisbet scored 39 goals for Hibs. 3 of them were penalties.

[Smartie]

Nisbet over Murray anyday.

I dinnae feel like I have to like our players, I just want them to be good.

"In the mood" Nisbet was very easy to like.

The other one (which he'd inevitably be if he was ever forced to return) really wasn't.

One of them was good, the other wasn't.

[MWHIBBIES]

Nisbet scored 39 goals for Hibs. 3 of them were penalties.

:faf:

Brilliant.

[worcesterhibby]

Nisbet over Murray anyday.

I dinnae feel like I have to like our players, I just want them to be good.

I want to see a team of Hibs players who work their backsides off in every game. Nisbet didn't do that, when he was in the mood, he was class, but his mood was very dependant on him. We have had too many spineless, flash gits for too long. We need players with backbone, work ethic and perseverence. We need to create a bond between the players and the fans again. A few players like Murray would start to do that.. a few players like Nisbet would continue to blow hot and cold.

IMHO of course

[Ronniekirk]

Why did we let him go then?
Was inconsistent and not the most clinical finisher Great work ethic and gave 100 percent but didn’t work out

[ancient hibee]

They should run like a draft combine, like they do in NFL, for all the players in the SPL before the season starts. Same conditions for everyone. Then we can point back to exactly who is better.
Wouldn’t really point to who is better-particularly a striker who is dependent on other players. Probably the best comparison would be goals as a percentage of chances. Time on the pitch doesn’t really matter especially if you play in a very defensive team and live off scraps.

[KeithTheHibby]

I am not sure I could ever really fault Nisbets work rate. In his time at ER he only really had one dip in form, think it was round about the time Doidge done his achilles and his father passed away. Perfectly understandable if you ask me.

The biggest problem for me is that I don't think Nisbet ever really wanted to be here and couldn't wait to move on. Suspect the grass isn't greener for him however his bank balance is much healthier.

[MWHIBBIES]

I am not sure I could ever really fault Nisbets work rate. In his time at ER he only really had one dip in form, think it was round about the time Doidge done his achilles and his father passed away. Perfectly understandable if you ask me.

The biggest problem for me is that I don't think Nisbet ever really wanted to be here and couldn't wait to move on. Suspect the grass isn't greener for him however his bank balance is much healthier.

Those 2 events were a year apart. Nisbet was pretty poor for most for the 21/22 season. Still a quality player, though. Far better than Simon Murray.

[cocopops1875]

I wish football would decide whether we use league n cup stats, or just league stats, so we get some kind of commonly understood comparison. It seems you choose which measure to use to constructing a position, not to get any real understanding. In this case, comparing the two players is difficult since one was used a lot more than the other, one was injured more than the other, and one was in a counter attacking team as part of a two and the other player wasnt. The first player also unsurprisingly looks a lot better when cup games , which he played a lot of, and almost always against weaker opposition, were taken into account.

It’s quite simple why I chose League as my Metric, it’s the only competition where the players are playing against the same “Level” over an extended period, cups could be based on a perceived “easy” run or getting tougher opponents. Also I’m not really interested how many goals a player scores against lower league opponents when matching up like for like, also I did state league goals in my post.

I’m not taking anything away from a brilliant season for Simon, I wished we didn’t let him leave but we did and I’ve no massive wish to go backwards.

If some fans had their wish we’d have Big Dab, Gogic, Mallan and Murray back for pre season 😂

[cocopops1875]

I’d have Murray back but wouldn’t take Nisbet back. Depends on what you see in a player and what he brings. Positive selfless player over negative selfish players. Funnily enough Murray’s game dipped when stokes came in permanently,another selfish striker. Murray is exactly what we need right now. Graft strength fairly doable transfer. If we are building a team it will need signings like that as well as the anticipated signings folk assume we will make.

The Murray/Nisbet comparison is interesting though, Were you happy for both to leave ?

[Northernhibee]

It’s quite simple why I chose League as my Metric, it’s the only competition where the players are playing against the same “Level” over an extended period, cups could be based on a perceived “easy” run or getting tougher opponents. Also I’m not really interested how many goals a player scores against lower league opponents when matching up like for like, also I did state league goals in my post.

I’m not taking anything away from a brilliant season for Simon, I wished we didn’t let him leave but we did and I’ve no massive wish to go backwards.

If some fans had their wish we’d have Big Dab, Gogic, Mallan and Murray back for pre season 😂

FWIW I’d take Gogic back. He’s limited but offers more in a defensive sense than any other of our midfielders, or can play in a back three very well.