We need to give the new manager space and time

[Northernhibee]

Whoever the new appointment is, we need to give them some time and space to let them change things about. They will have a mountain to climb, and will have some unpopular decisions to make.

The squad is bloated, short on quality, and by the sounds of it a lot of change is happening on and off the pitch.


Whoever takes over does not need the frustrations carrying over from previous seasons, so if we go a couple of games without winning they deserve a clean slate and a chance to put things right.


It’s been a really pish two or three seasons, and as much as we’re hungry for success again, a bit of patience may be needed and tempering of expectations for next season. For me given the size of the rebuild, top six next season for me is a success with top four minimum expected after that.

[HarpOnHibee]

Any manager worth his salt will get the very best out of what he's got until he can bring in his own changes. Presuming that he's allowed to operate uninhibited and of his own accord.

[Yorkshire HFC]

Not likely to happen. Hibs have turned into a nasty club - run by not very good people and fans who have unrealistic demands. I’ve been a supporter for 50 years and have not seen it run as badly. And it’s become a graveyard for managers careers. They’ll no doubt offer a decent wage so will get someone to manage the club but they are unlikely to be top drawer and will be needing a good paying “out” clause. Another sad day for Hibs.

[Smartie]

Whoever the new appointment is, we need to give them some time and space to let them change things about. They will have a mountain to climb, and will have some unpopular decisions to make.

The squad is bloated, short on quality, and by the sounds of it a lot of change is happening on and off the pitch.


Whoever takes over does not need the frustrations carrying over from previous seasons, so if we go a couple of games without winning they deserve a clean slate and a chance to put things right.


It’s been a really pish two or three seasons, and as much as we’re hungry for success again, a bit of patience may be needed and tempering of expectations for next season. For me given the size of the rebuild, top six next season for me is a success with top four minimum expected after that.

Whilst I understand your point... any manager has to meet very simple targets to be afforded this luxury.

That's not "piss third or get punted".

It's "establish the team comfortably in the top six, perform to an acceptable standard in the cups, win the odd derby, put a team on the park that the fans want to pay to watch, put in a decent shift against Rangers and Celtic" etc.

The next manager is going to get the summer - a transfer window, a pre-season and a relatively blank canvas - so will have an advantage that some of his predecessors didn't enjoy. If, in spite of that we find ourselves comfortably behind Killie, Dundee, St Mirren etc again then I think that eventually a familar, difficult conversation will need to be had.

I definitely get that we need to stop sacking managers but Tom English made a rare good point the other day - the way we avoid that is by appointing good ones, and giving them an environment in which they can succeed.

If a manager buys a load of pish, plays incomprehensible tactics and results don't improve then they shouldn't get away with it just because we've now got a solid track record of failing under previous managers.

[HarpOnHibee]

Not likely to happen. Hibs have turned into a nasty club - run by not very good people and fans who have unrealistic demands. I’ve been a supporter for 50 years and have not seen it run as badly. And it’s become a graveyard for managers careers. They’ll no doubt offer a decent wage so will get someone to manage the club but they are unlikely to be top drawer and will be needing a good paying “out” clause. Another sad day for Hibs.

Unrealistic would be challenging the OF and gaining Champion's League status. Expecting a top 6 finish with a top 4 position on a semi-regular basis with some European Football with a few semi's and finals thrown in is far from being unrealistic for a club like ours. Just look who we're up against in that regard. Hearts and Aberdeen being the main ones. 2 clubs that have nothing at their disposal that we don't ourselves.

[Liam89]

I was firmly in the Monty IN camp as I know we won't see much success changing managers every season, however, this season has been one of the worst in my memory. It hasn't been entertaining, we've had what feels like no big wins, the manager seemed to lack charisma and rumours of discontent amongst the squad mean his position was untenable in my eyes.

There was no point sticking with him with 0 credit in the bank, a bad start next season and he'd be gone.

A new manager has to come in and show us something. Be it improving the squad or showing some charisma and forming a connection with the fans, we need something to believe in / invest in. Can't just give a bad manager time because we've sacked previous ones.

[DIXIHIBS]

Not likely to happen. Hibs have turned into a nasty club - run by not very good people and fans who have unrealistic demands. I’ve been a supporter for 50 years and have not seen it run as badly. And it’s become a graveyard for managers careers. They’ll no doubt offer a decent wage so will get someone to manage the club but they are unlikely to be top drawer and will be needing a good paying “out” clause. Another sad day for Hibs.

Fans have unrealistic demands.... seriously!! If being pi££ed off finishing 9th, being regularly beaten by clubs with significantly smaller budgets, club being a general shambles etc etc is being unrealistic then aye you're right.

[TrinityHFC]

Do a good job and there’ll be no issues.

[Donegal Hibby]

4 , 9 months to just over a year is the norm.

[Wheat Hound]

Just demonstrate some basic competence and give the fans some hope that they are at least on the right track. Do that, and I can forgive mixed results to start with

[Stuart93]

He’ll get the space and time he needs if he’s decent. If they appoint another dud they’ll get the same treatment.

Just appoint a decent manager and there’ll be no repeat

[BSEJVT]

Do a good job and there’ll be no issues.

I wish it were that simple

The script is any new manager will have :

1) folk who don’t like/ never wanted him

2) folk whose preferred candidate didn’t get the job

3) folk who think we needed to appoint someone who knew the SPL

4) folk who wanted something different

5) folk who will want him out after 5 minutes if we start poorly

6) folk who don’t like his style of football

7) folk who have heard the players don’t like him or some distant relative/ aquaintance of his

8) folk who don’t understand why he plays players a-z

9) folk who don’t understand why he doesn’t play players a-z

10) folk who don’t understand why he doesn’t play the youngsters

Feel free to add any I have missed

It’s a ******* of a job and whoever gets it will need to have the luck of Reilly and a skin thicker than a hippopotamus, a free rein and financial assistance in getting rid of the pile of ***** we have on our books and relegation notwithstanding a couple of years to make any impact

[Stuart93]

I wish it were that simple

The script is any new manager will have :

1) folk who don’t like/ never wanted him

2) folk whose preferred candidate didn’t get the job

3) folk who think we needed to appoint someone who knew the SPL

4) folk who wanted something different

5) folk who will want him out after 5 minutes if we start poorly

6) folk who don’t like his style of football

7) folk who have heard the players don’t like him or some distant relative/ aquaintance of his

8) folk who don’t understand why he plays players a-z

9) folk who don’t understand why he doesn’t play players a-z

10) folk who don’t understand why he doesn’t play the youngsters

Feel free to add any I have missed

It’s a ******* of a job and whoever gets it will need to have the luck of Reilly and a skin thicker than a hippopotamus, a free rein and financial assistance in getting rid of the pile of ***** we have on our books and relegation notwithstanding a couple of years to make any impact

You’re over complicating it.

If a new guy comes in, gets the team working hard and getting results I’m not sure there’ll be much gripes

[Waxy]

We’ve been saying this every time but we dont allow it.

[BSEJVT]

You’re over complicating it.

If a new guy comes in, gets the team working hard and getting results I’m not sure there’ll be much gripes

There definitely will, even if he does all you suggest

It’s the way off the world now

Personally right now I would settle for competing physically and not losing cheap goals but there will be gripes at the first sign of difficulty

[ScottB]

Ultimately, we aren’t hounding these guys out, they’re failing. The club have consistently picked the wrong guy.

If they appoint someone a decent chunk of us don’t like, that’ll be forgotten if he puts together a run of decent form. Equally they could appoint someone that we all love the sound of, but he’ll be just as sacked if he can’t scrape a top 6 finish.

I appreciate the desire to ‘stick’ with a manager, but that’s not just about sticking with any manager, it’s the club finding the right guy, then us seeing progress, hints of better times ahead.

There’s nothing to suggest Monty was going to turn it all around suddenly, just as there wasn’t with Johnson or Maloney.

[hibeerealist]

Not likely to happen. Hibs have turned into a nasty club - run by not very good people and fans who have unrealistic demands. I’ve been a supporter for 50 years and have not seen it run as badly. And it’s become a graveyard for managers careers. They’ll no doubt offer a decent wage so will get someone to manage the club but they are unlikely to be top drawer and will be needing a good paying “out” clause. Another sad day for Hibs.


Jeezo, go back to bed FFS.

[B.H.F.C]

Not likely to happen. Hibs have turned into a nasty club - run by not very good people and fans who have unrealistic demands. I’ve been a supporter for 50 years and have not seen it run as badly. And it’s become a graveyard for managers careers. They’ll no doubt offer a decent wage so will get someone to manage the club but they are unlikely to be top drawer and will be needing a good paying “out” clause. Another sad day for Hibs.

Do you think it’s unrealistic for us to expect better than we’ve seen this season with the money spent and other advantages we have over teams in this league?

[Stuart93]

For me, the problem isn’t the amount of managers we’re sacking.

It’s the appointing of managers who need sacking because they aren’t good enough from the offset

[jeffers]

There definitely will, even if he does all you suggest

It’s the way off the world now

Personally right now I would settle for competing physically and not losing cheap goals but there will be gripes at the first sign of difficulty

You are right to an extent, but I think the majority will give a new man a chance providing he shows signs of progress. The last 3 haven’t and were rightly sacked.

[leith lynx]

For me, the problem isn’t the amount of managers we’re sacking.

It’s the appointing of managers who need sacking because they aren’t good enough from the offset

In a nutshell.

[Amit]

Agree with thoughts on here that we need a management team who can get more out of the current group. That’ll give them time to transition the squad over this summer window and next summer window. For me, that will be progress and moving in the right direction.

Look forward to seeing the early runners and riders for the job. I imagine the usual names will be in there…


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[The Green Goblin]

Whoever the new appointment is, we need to give them some time and space to let them change things about. They will have a mountain to climb, and will have some unpopular decisions to make.

The squad is bloated, short on quality, and by the sounds of it a lot of change is happening on and off the pitch.


Whoever takes over does not need the frustrations carrying over from previous seasons, so if we go a couple of games without winning they deserve a clean slate and a chance to put things right.


It’s been a really pish two or three seasons, and as much as we’re hungry for success again, a bit of patience may be needed and tempering of expectations for next season. For me given the size of the rebuild, top six next season for me is a success with top four minimum expected after that.


I agree,and I think that if we can get an experienced manager who actually knows what they are doing and is able to communicate that in a direct way in interviews (including defending against over the top criticism and being able to admit when things go wrong and say what they will do to change it) then there won't be such a huge problem.

[Donegal Hibby]

You’re over complicating it.

If a new guy comes in, gets the team working hard and getting results I’m not sure there’ll be much gripes

I think for alot it will depend who we get , Robinson's one i don't want the most . Can't stick him .

Is there a manager that could get everyone on board though ? .

[Smartie]

I think for alot it will depend who we get , Robinson's one i don't want the most . Can't stick him .

Is there a manager that could get everyone on board though ? .

Interesting to hear you say that, as a fairly staunch defender of our managers.

Robinson strikes me as probably the most likely to get the job at this stage - most likely to be prepared to take it out of all the people who are likely within our range, who actually have the credentials to do the job.

[Victor]

You know that’s never going to happen!

[O'Rourke3]

I wish it were that simple

The script is any new manager will have :

1) folk who don’t like/ never wanted him

2) folk whose preferred candidate didn’t get the job

3) folk who think we needed to appoint someone who knew the SPL

4) folk who wanted something different

5) folk who will want him out after 5 minutes if we start poorly

6) folk who don’t like his style of football

7) folk who have heard the players don’t like him or some distant relative/ aquaintance of his

8) folk who don’t understand why he plays players a-z

9) folk who don’t understand why he doesn’t play players a-z

10) folk who don’t understand why he doesn’t play the youngsters

Feel free to add any I have missed

It’s a ******* of a job and whoever gets it will need to have the luck of Reilly and a skin thicker than a hippopotamus, a free rein and financial assistance in getting rid of the pile of ***** we have on our books and relegation notwithstanding a couple of years to make any impact10/10. Saved me the effort.

Sent from my SM-G990B using Tapatalk

[WhileTheChief..]

If he’s the right man for the job he’ll get all the time he needs.

If he’s another flop I’ll looking for him to be sacked too.

We need to learn from the last 3 failures. There is nothing to be gained by sticking with someone that isn’t up to the job.

If anything, we need to act more quickly next time around.

[Paulie Walnuts]

For me, the problem isn’t the amount of managers we’re sacking.

It’s the appointing of managers who need sacking because they aren’t good enough from the offset

It really is that simple.

Sacking managers isn’t the issue, it’s appointing ****ing terrible ones. I hope we never stop sacking terrible managers when we appoint them.

[Donegal Hibby]

Interesting to hear you say that, as a fairly staunch defender of our managers.

Robinson strikes me as probably the most likely to get the job at this stage - most likely to be prepared to take it out of all the people who are likely within our range, who actually have the credentials to do the job.

Lennon even though I think after what happened the last time he'd be the wrong appointment I'd fully back , McInnes I think due to the football his teams play would eventually have folk calling for his head though I'd back him too .

I'd probably back most managers and probably do more so when they are struggling and I'm genuinely sorry to see them sacked though Robinson I'd feel the exact opposite about .

Just totally and utterly dislike the guy and everything about him . Hope hibs don't appoint him .

[The Tubs]

Lennon even though I think after what happened the last time he'd be the wrong appointment I'd fully back , McInnes I think due to the football his teams play would eventually have folk calling for his head though I'd back him too .

I'd probably back most managers and probably do more so when they are struggling and I'm genuinely sorry to see them sacked though Robinson I'd feel the exact opposite about .

Just totally and utterly dislike the guy and everything about him . Hope hibs don't appoint him .

Why?

Are you Irish too? Do you know anything about him that makes you have such strong feelings about the guy?

[SJNB Hibby]

We’ve been saying this every time but we dont allow it.
This

[SHODAN]

The manager will get plenty time provided he doesn't lose at home to teams like St Mirren, St Johnstone, Livingston and Hearts.

For too long Hibs as a club have let complete ***** brush us out of the way. We have a huge budget. If you can't work with it and quickly then **** off. :aok:

[cocteautwin]

It’s not a huge mountain to climb. It’s 15 extra points needed and just be in line with the financial position. McInnes, Robinson, Lennon, probably all could achieve this. Most anyone else within our budget will be a similar gamble to the last 3 managers.

[GreenCastle]

Monty’s job was actually straight forward after LJ - just improve us. Somehow he made us worse.

The next manager actually had an easier job following 3 duds.

The big question is though will they appoint someone who is actually what we need and competent at managing a side in the Scottish league - 12 teams and finishing top 6 as a minimum even though that’s still crap.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Not likely to happen. Hibs have turned into a nasty club - run by not very good people and fans who have unrealistic demands. I’ve been a supporter for 50 years and have not seen it run as badly. And it’s become a graveyard for managers careers. They’ll no doubt offer a decent wage so will get someone to manage the club but they are unlikely to be top drawer and will be needing a good paying “out” clause. Another sad day for Hibs.

The trouble with this club for about the last 40 years hasn't been managers failing to meet the unrealistic demands of it's fans. It's been managers ( and owners ) who have failed to meet the realistic ones.

To demand that this club finishes in the top 4 in at least 3 out of every 5 seasons isn't unrealistic. To demand it wins a cup every 10 years isn't unrealistic, that's once in every 20 attempts. Since WWII its been a cup every 17 years, or once every 34 attempts. To demand it does far better in derby matches than it does is hardly unrealistic either ... in what world is that not underperforming for a club which is arguably the 4th biggest in the country, certainly the 5th biggest. To ask that it does better than that, in fact much better, is hardly unrealistic.

I'm all for managers being given time to get us to that not unrealistic level. But no manager will get time who doesn't at least get us into the top 6 and / or a cup semi final each season. Realistically there should only be 4 clubs in the country capable of stopping that happening, to lose out to the likes of Kilmarnock, Dundee and St Mirren is and has to be unacceptable or what's the point?

[WhileTheChief..]

There’s maybe 10 or so clubs in UK with a chance of playing in Europe. We’re one of them.

There’s less than 50 clubs that could attract a decent calibre of manager. We’re one of them.

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of out of work managers out there. It’s mental to suggest that we will struggle to attract anyone of quality.

Every time we are looking for a manager we hear that we have inundated with quality applications. We just need to appoint one of them instead of looking at the dross.

[Spike Mandela]

Whoever the new appointment is, we need to give them some time and space to let them change things about. They will have a mountain to climb, and will have some unpopular decisions to make.

The squad is bloated, short on quality, and by the sounds of it a lot of change is happening on and off the pitch.


Whoever takes over does not need the frustrations carrying over from previous seasons, so if we go a couple of games without winning they deserve a clean slate and a chance to put things right.


It’s been a really pish two or three seasons, and as much as we’re hungry for success again, a bit of patience may be needed and tempering of expectations for next season. For me given the size of the rebuild, top six next season for me is a success with top four minimum expected after that.

It is clear from the way the club has dealt wit Ross, Maloney, Johnson and Montgomery that the new manager will not be given space and time.

Any new manager will have to come in and have instant improvement and success or he’s toast.

[Basildon Hibs]

Whilst I understand your point... any manager has to meet very simple targets to be afforded this luxury.

That's not "piss third or get punted".

It's "establish the team comfortably in the top six, perform to an acceptable standard in the cups, win the odd derby, put a team on the park that the fans want to pay to watch, put in a decent shift against Rangers and Celtic" etc.

The next manager is going to get the summer - a transfer window, a pre-season and a relatively blank canvas - so will have an advantage that some of his predecessors didn't enjoy. If, in spite of that we find ourselves comfortably behind Killie, Dundee, St Mirren etc again then I think that eventually a familar, difficult conversation will need to be had.

I definitely get that we need to stop sacking managers but Tom English made a rare good point the other day - the way we avoid that is by appointing good ones, and giving them an environment in which they can succeed.

If a manager buys a load of pish, plays incomprehensible tactics and results don't improve then they shouldn't get away with it just because we've now got a solid track record of failing under previous managers.

Correct. I personally, would be offering 'one season,performance related,' rolling contracts.

It's the 'way to go' but it'll never catch on..😁😉