Is it too Early for Ian Murray?

[Up-the-slope]

Totally the wrong timing with him about to manage a 2 legged play off semi....

But I think its time for someone who knows the club and the scottish game - recent experiments have not gone well

[Paulie Walnuts]

It’s not too early, he’s got plenty experience, albeit mostly at a lower level. I wouldn’t want him though.

[Kojock]

Yes

[McGruber]

His first signings would be Hanlon & Stevenson

[hibee_girl]

His first signings would be Hanlon & Stevenson

Get him in then :greengrin

[Scottie]

His first signings would be Hanlon & Stevenson
:faf: Your right

[JohnM1875]

It’s not too early, he’s got plenty experience, albeit mostly at a lower level. I wouldn’t want him though.

Same. Been a manager over a decade now so he’s not inexperienced. Just don’t think he’s good enough.

[Up-the-slope]

His first signings would be Hanlon & Stevenson


:tee hee:

[Winston Ingram]

Totally the wrong timing with him about to manage a 2 legged play off semi....

But I think its time for someone who knows the club and the scottish game - recent experiments have not gone well

He's been a manager for 12 years so it's not too early.

Still a no from me.

[GreenCastle]

Too early - think he needs to get Raith promoted to really be the candidate. Think others ahead of him with more contacts etc.

[RossScott1991]

Derek Mcinnes. Need experience and couple of seasons of stability

[Nicho87]

Too early

No more projects

No managers that are younger and needing time

We need instant reaction from players and results

The only man we need is

El Del

[McGruber]

Derek Mcinnes. Need experience and couple of seasons of stability

There'll be a lot of McInnes chat but he wouldn't come to Hibs and he's said as much.

[Jim44]

Derek McInnes isn’t stupid enough to risk his reputation on a gamble like coming to Easter Road. After leaving Aberdeen, he has finally rebuilt his future with a club that’s doing well. He’s hardly likely to give that up for a short term salary increase.

[Lago]

It’s not too early, he’s got plenty experience, albeit mostly at a lower level. I wouldn’t want him though.
Who do you want?

[JohnM1875]

Derek McInnes isn’t stupid enough to risk his reputation on a gamble like coming to Easter Road. After leaving Aberdeen, he has finally rebuilt his future with a club that’s doing well. He’s hardly likely to give that up for a short term salary increase.

Only short term if he comes in and does a **** job

[Real Emerald]

Can we forget the project managers this time and get someone in who knows how it’s done in this league. We’ve been the training and failing ground for a few managers lately and we need stability.

[erin go bragh]

Derek McInnes isn’t stupid enough to risk his reputation on a gamble like coming to Easter Road. After leaving Aberdeen, he has finally rebuilt his future with a club that’s doing well. He’s hardly likely to give that up for a short term salary increase.

If we wanted Mcinnes, we would get him as its a massive step up from Killie.
Personally id like to see us going for Ronnie Deila, knows the Scottish game and has that bit of fire in his belly akin to Lennon.

[GloryGlory]

Yes

Same.

Needs to develop more, with higher level experience.

[killie-hibby]

On this Net prior to Montgomery being appointed I opted for Murray. Hope he is appointed as our manager ASAP.

[CL0762]

If we wanted Mcinnes, we would get him as its a massive step up from Killie.
Personally id like to see us going for Ronnie Deila, knows the Scottish game and has that bit of fire in his belly akin to Lennon.

Rangers was a massive step up from Aberdeen and he turned them down.

[Spike Mandela]

I think the Black Knights will have a stable of coaches , like they have clubs and players, who they would like to see tested. I don't think guys like Murray will even be considered.

[SteveHFC]

There'll be a lot of McInnes chat but he wouldn't come to Hibs and he's said as much.

Depends on how much hibs want him everybody has a price

[One Day Soon]

Totally the wrong timing with him about to manage a 2 legged play off semi....

But I think its time for someone who knows the club and the scottish game - recent experiments have not gone well

No. You've posted at 9.40am, I'm pretty sure he'll be up by now.

[McGruber]

Depends on how much hibs want him everybody has a price

Maybe so. No doubt there was far more coin on offer from Rangers that he turned down when with Aberdeen though.

Also, has said he wouldn't take the Hibs job because he wouldn't work under the Gordon ownership (Ron at the time).

Of course people can change their mind and money talks (just because he looked the other way once, he might regret that decision, who knows)

Since saying he wouldn't want to work under Gordon we have since shown ourselves to be even more of a mess and go through managers ten a penny. He won't be interested IMO

[Hamish]

Said on another thread that I don't think Murray would leave Raith, even for Hibs, as I reckon it's a long term project there.

Could be wrong though. He's done well with a limited budget and watching his post match interviews he impresses me.

[Hibees1973]

Way short of what we need.

[MelbourneHibees]

Said on another thread that I don't think Murray would leave Raith, even for Hibs, as I reckon it's a long term project there.

Could be wrong though. He's done well with a limited budget and watching his post match interviews he impresses me.
He'd what, quadruple his wages? He'd leave them at the drop of a hat.

[Hamish]

He'd what, quadruple his wages? He'd leave them at the drop of a hat.

You may be right, just a feeling I have. Suppose it depends on what happens in the play off.

[Northernhibee]

He’s been in management for some time so don’t but it’s too soon for him. I’d take him.

[Waxy]

Probably knows a few diamonds from the championship and did anyone expect Raith to do as well this season?
Worth consideration.

[Carheenlea]

Maloney, Johnson and Montgomery territory.

[O'Rourke3]

I may have missed one but there have been 9 former Hibs players managing the team since I started watching us. Turnbull, to some extent, Ormond and John Collins had visble success. Everyone else has been poor and hounded. The odds aren't good. I reckon Murray would be away by Christmas because "results aren't good enough"

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[Unseen work]

It’s not too early, I’m just not convinced he’s good enough.

Think Raith have a very good budget for their league.

Couple of good managers in that league though along with Doolan and McCabe

[Don Giovanni]

Murray started as player manager at Dumbarton in 2012 - definitely not too early!

He done well at Dumbarton from memory.

Had a short spell at St.Mirren that didn't work out.

Then took a coaching role abroad.

Came back in 2018 and his managerial record at both Airdrie and Raith are pretty good.

I'd take Ian Murray every day of the week over Neil Lennon.

However, I think the Black Knights investment might see us go in a different direction.

[allezsauzee]

I think the Black Knights will have a stable of coaches , like they have clubs and players, who they would like to see tested. I don't think guys like Murray will even be considered.

If this was the case, I would think they would have brought someone in to arrest the dramatic decline in Lorient over the 17 months they've been involved. Ian has done a decent job at lower level but I don't really want to see us gambling on someone stepping up.

[TrinityHFC]

Nowhere near the level of manager or personality we should be looking at.

[WhileTheChief..]

Yup, too early.

Maybe in 5 years or so when he’s a proven manager with a decent track record.

For now, he’s showing potential.

[TrinityHFC]

If this was the case, I would think they would have brought someone in to arrest the dramatic decline in Lorient over the 17 months they've been involved. Ian has done a decent job at lower level but I don't really want to see us gambling on someone stepping up.

Lorient haven’t dramatically declined. Their position at take over was a point in time and an outlier. They are where they generally always are. Not sure anyone should expect miracles due to minority investment.

[Greensunshine]

No more projects please! Loved him as a player but we need to get stability and need to bring in as sure a thing as we possibly can.

[timewilltell]

Same. Been a manager over a decade now so he’s not inexperienced. Just don’t think he’s good enough.

This….

[WestCoastHibby]

Derek McInnes isn’t stupid enough to risk his reputation on a gamble like coming to Easter Road. After leaving Aberdeen, he has finally rebuilt his future with a club that’s doing well. He’s hardly likely to give that up for a short term salary increase.

He’s done great, with Kilmarnock, I’ll repeat Kilmarnock
Think what potential there is for him if he comes to us

[Onion]

Yes !

[Victor]

He’s done great, with Kilmarnock, I’ll repeat Kilmarnock
Think what potential there is for him if he comes to us

Wasn’t so good at Aberdeen though. Lots of investment and one trophy. Think he has found his level at Kilmarnock where expectations aren’t so high. Personally I think he would be crazy to come to Hibs, he knows what reaction he would get if he didn’t hit the ground running.

[Jim44]

He’s done great, with Kilmarnock, I’ll repeat Kilmarnock
Think what potential there is for him if he comes to us


Wasn’t so good at Aberdeen though. Lots of investment and one trophy. Think he has found his level at Kilmarnock where expectations aren’t so high. Personally I think he would be crazy to come to Hibs, he knows what reaction he would get if he didn’t hit the ground running.

Our serial underperforming can’t simply be put down to the failure of recent managers, although that is part of our problem. There is something deeply and endemically wrong about the club which contributes to recent managerial failure. McInnes, despite the confidence in his own ability, must be aware of this and, in my opinion, will not take the risk.

[Dight]

His first signings would be Hanlon & Stevenson

Beat me to it!

[Up-the-slope]

hes set things up pretty well tonight and has a team playing like... well a team first and foremost

[H18 SFR]

I think the Black Knights will have a stable of coaches , like they have clubs and players, who they would like to see tested. I don't think guys like Murray will even be considered.

This is my gut feeling. I expect a foreign coach will be appointed.

[The Wireless]

I think the Black Knights will have a stable of coaches , like they have clubs and players, who they would like to see tested. I don't think guys like Murray will even be considered.
Did they have a stable of DOFs ?

[Alfred E Newman]

hes set things up pretty well tonight and has a team playing like... well a team first and foremost

They are in danger of throwing away a 2 goal lead. Fits the bill, get him in! :greengrin

[Percy Vere]

It’s not too early, he’s got plenty experience, albeit mostly at a lower level. I wouldn’t want him though.

a very underwhelming suggestion.
we need someone who has managed at the top level in at least Scottish Premiership.
Lennon or McInnes for me.

[WestCoastHibby]

Wasn’t so good at Aberdeen though. Lots of investment and one trophy. Think he has found his level at Kilmarnock where expectations aren’t so high. Personally I think he would be crazy to come to Hibs, he knows what reaction he would get if he didn’t hit the ground running.

Woooah!! Wasn’t good at Aberdeen??
Wins league cup, gets to three other finals and Runners up four times!? Oh and let’s not forget he’s got both StJohnstone and Kilmarnock promoted.
Blinkers off pal

[shamo9]

They are in danger of throwing away a 2 goal lead. Fits the bill, get him in! :greengrin

They've won the away leg 2-1 so will fancy their chances now. In a strong position.

If Raith get promoted wouldn't he want to have a crack at the Premiership with them first?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Who do you want?

McInnes, Deila and Scott Parker would be my top 3.

[Stuart93]

We can’t being going for an appointment like murray.

He’d be far too high risk

[Victor]

Woooah!! Wasn’t good at Aberdeen??
Wins league cup, gets to three other finals and Runners up four times!? Oh and let’s not forget he’s got both StJohnstone and Kilmarnock promoted.
Blinkers off pal

Over the last eight years Hibs with their merry go round of managers have had similar success to McInnes ‘success’ at Aberdeen. You’re obviously viewing the situation through McInnes tinted specs and I ain’t your pal!

[silverhibee]

It’s not too early, he’s got plenty experience, albeit mostly at a lower level. I wouldn’t want him though.

He will definitely apply for the job.

[basehibby]

Murray would not be a project - he's been managing for 12 years FFS! It WOULD be a step up for him in terms of club size and the attendant pressures of course, but he knows Hibs and Easter Rd like the back of his hand and would come into the job with his eyes fully open.
I don't know much about his style of play etc but he has undoubtably had a very good season with Raith Rovers - over-achieving by making them the only side in the division to really push Dundee Utd for the title. This suggests he has developed and learned during his first 12 years as a coach and is capable of building a team from a budget and coaching it towards success.
Everything is a gamble but Murray seems like a good one to me - and an option that could quickly look like "the one that got away" if ignored.

[Unseen work]

Really good interview with Murray - https://youtu.be/DqDXw791l-A?si=jeNvFlVpARRIRUcL

Can see him being a shout, especially if he gets to playoff final/promoted.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I think the Black Knights will have a stable of coaches , like they have clubs and players, who they would like to see tested. I don't think guys like Murray will even be considered.

Hibs being a testing ground for promising up and coming young players is acceptable, so long as the bulk of the team they play in is made up of players who belong to Hibs and barring a good offer we can't turn down are likely to be in it for the long haul.

Using us as a testing ground for inexperienced coaches / managers is a whole different matter .... As majority shareholders that should be a red line for the Gordons, not to mention the supporters.

[LancsHibs]

Congrats Ian Murray, just guided RR to the playoff final

[Unseen work]

Well done Ian, brilliant achievement to get to the play off final so far and get the points total they did.

Really hope they go up.

[Broken Gnome]

That was more of an audition for Kris Doolan than Ian Murray tonight, scraped through and just couldn't get going from half time onwards.

[blackpoolhibs]

Over the last eight years Hibs with their merry go round of managers have had similar success to McInnes ‘success’ at Aberdeen. You’re obviously viewing the situation through McInnes tinted specs and I ain’t your pal!

:faf: When have we consitantly been 2nd 3rd or 4th over the course of 8 years?


Similar as in never and nowhere near. :confused:

[GreenCastle]

Murray and David Gray ?!

Murray’s current assistant is Colin Cameron (ex jambo!).

John Potter (Jack Ross assistant - was his assistant at Hibs too) also ar Raith.

[Unseen work]

That was more of an audition for Kris Doolan than Ian Murray tonight, scraped through and just couldn't get going from half time onwards.

Thought raith were good and played some brilliant stuff up until the centre half got injured and brown went into the defence.

From the moment he dropped back I thought Patrick dominated the midfield and raith struggled to get out.

[Sloop67]

If Raith make a poor start to next season and he gets punted , we'll pick him up for free around about Christmas as well probably have sacked another manager by then 😂

[Steve20]

Partick should have won that game easily. Raith were very poor, but fair enough they got through.

However if Murray had never played for Hibs, not a chance anyone would mention him.

[jacomo]

I’m sure Ian Murray is laser focused on Raith Rovers right now, as he should be.

It’s certainly not too early for him at Hibs though - he’s an experienced manager.

[Keith_M]

Alex Ferguson had been in managerial roles, at East Stirling then St Mirren, for only four years when he switched to Aberdeen.

Two years later they were league champions.

[B.H.F.C]

There’s something about Murray that I just don’t like. He might very well get Raith to the Premiership which would be a brilliant achievement but I just don’t think it would be a good appointment. I’d rather have David Gray even though he’s done nothing in management, there is just something that puts me off Murray.

[04Sauzee]

Partick should have won that game easily. Raith were very poor, but fair enough they got through.

However if Murray had never played for Hibs, not a chance anyone would mention him.
I'm not sure I want Murray but at the same time I wouldn't be dead set against it if you know what I mean. He's 43 now with nearly 400 games under his belt. I'm sure he's learned loads in those games. For people who like win ratio's he's on close on 47% at both Airdrie and Raith Rovers.

He's played at a high level, capped for Scotland. Knows the Scottish game, knows what it's like to play for Hibs.

Jeez think I'm talking myself into this 😂

[Nicho87]

I'm not sure I want Murray but at the same time I wouldn't be dead set against it if you know what I mean. He's 43 now with nearly 400 games under his belt. I'm sure he's learned loads in those games. For people who like win ratio's he's on close on 47% at both Airdrie and Raith Rovers.

He's played at a high level, capped for Scotland. Knows the Scottish game, knows what it's like to play for Hibs.

Jeez think I'm talking myself into this 😂

Lee Johnson had 600 and the only thing he was good at was selling used Vauxhall astras with false plates on

[Johnny_Leith]

Lee Johnson had 600 and the only thing he was good at was selling used Vauxhall astras with false plates on

To Jordan Obita?

[Is It On....]

That was more of an audition for Kris Doolan than Ian Murray tonight, scraped through and just couldn't get going from half time onwards.

Kris Doolan has a 45.6% win ratio as a manager and only a 22% loss ratio. If he can covert some of the draws into wins next season then his stats will start to look very impressive.

[Is It On....]

I'm not sure I want Murray but at the same time I wouldn't be dead set against it if you know what I mean. He's 43 now with nearly 400 games under his belt. I'm sure he's learned loads in those games. For people who like win ratio's he's on close on 47% at both Airdrie and Raith Rovers.

He's played at a high level, capped for Scotland. Knows the Scottish game, knows what it's like to play for Hibs.

Jeez think I'm talking myself into this 😂

Rhys McCabe also has very impressive stats with a 49% win ratio at Airdrie

[Paul1642]

Partick should have won that game easily. Raith were very poor, but fair enough they got through.

However if Murray had never played for Hibs, not a chance anyone would mention him.

The fine margins of football. One Partick penalty goes a coupe of once’s got the right, something that Murray had zero control over as a coach, and his future fortunes as a manager could be very different. How many managers have kept or lost their jobs on such moments.

I agree that he wouldn’t be mentioned if he wasn’t ex Hibs but that doesn’t take away that he has done a good job over the years. Just not exceptional enough to give him a shot at Hibs for me.