Monty sacked

[Since452]

As others have said, it is not nice when anyone loses their job. Feel sorry for him, having brought his family from the other side of the world and now having to sort out what next. He did not annoy me like Johnson. I think he was a good guy, just out his depth at Hibs. He needed to go, but wish him all the best.

I'm curious what makes Montgomery a good guy and Johnson not? Not having a go at you but i've seen this a lot. Montgomery never took any of the blame, ever. Blamed the players, fans and appears to have run to Scott Burns straight away. He never came across as a good guy at all to me. No more so than Johnson anyway who was very gracious when he left.

[Rumble de Thump]

I'm curious what makes Montgomery a good guy and Johnson not? Not having a go at you but i've seen this a lot. Montgomery never took any of the blame, ever. Blamed the players, fans and appears to have run to Scott Burns straight away. He never came across as a good guy at all to me. No more so than Johnson anyway who was very gracious when he left.

Montgomery regularly took responsibility for poor performances and results.

[Donegal Hibby]

Again with this. Killie didn’t stick with him through the tough times last season. They did pretty much how they were expected to do with the squad they had, and the budget they have.

Again easty mate that's not what he said though and the point is if he started off at us anyway at all like he did that year with the type of football his team play ... Meaning losing 6 out of his first 8 games and getting battered by Ross county, Livvy etc .

We would undoubtedly be calling for the guys head , only makes sense when you consider we sacked one of our previous manager's for losing his first 3 games , doesn't it ? .

I honestly think McInnes would be an appointment which would have the fans pretty split again and wouldn't take long before the knives came out , again jack Ross's type football I seem to remember came in for criticism which is something that i think would definitely go against Mcinnes at the first sign of trouble .

Anyhow I'm not getting dragged into another McInnes debate , we will just have to see who we get next .

[The Pointer]

I'd just like to let you all know, I was logged-on and had just spent an extremely long time putting down my thoughts on the situation and it's been wiped.:fuming:

To paraphrase, I wasn't going to go tomorrow but will now, for the sake of Lewis and Paul and to see if SDG can get anything from the underperforming bunch on the park. It's a long drive and I won't get home till after one, but that's what being a Hibby does to you. You thole the bad times.

Also, I met Leeann and she left a very good impression. I haven't met Kensell but he hasn't achieved any success commensurate with his reported salary so I'd be delighted if he was shown the door, particularly if he had a hand in the leaving of several long-time Hibs employees.

As Yogi said on the radio on Saturday, there were no leaders on the pitch and with Lewis and Paul away, no-one with Hibs DNA and that needs to be addressed.

Folk go on about Neil Lennon but he instilled a 'no lose' mentality which we now sadly lack and are back to the old 'boy band' culture of previous seasons. Look at the team he put out and while we moaned and groaned about some of them they were the gift horse we were looking at.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Again easty mate that's not what he said though and the point is if he started off at us anyway at all like he did that year with the type of football his team play ... Meaning losing 6 out of his first 8 games and getting battered by Ross county, Livvy etc .

We would undoubtedly be calling for the guys head , only makes sense when you consider we sacked one of our previous manager's for losing his first 3 games , doesn't it ? .

I honestly think McInnes would be an appointment which would have the fans pretty split again and wouldn't take long before the knives came out , again jack Ross's type football I seem to remember came in for criticism which is something that i think would definitely go against Mcinnes at the first sign of trouble .

Anyhow I'm not getting dragged into another McInnes debate , we will just have to see who we get next .

Do you ever consider the size of the club he’s at?

You constantly refer to ‘if he done what he done at Kilmarnock we’d want him out the door’.. but we are not Kilmarnock. We’re Hibs, we’re an established top flight team, spending large amounts of money, miles more than ‘the other 7’ in the league. Killie aren’t doing that. What’s acceptable at Kilmarnock isn’t acceptable at Hibs.

It’s a bit like claiming that Naismith isn’t actually doing a good job at Hearts because it wouldn’t be good enough for Celtic or Rangers. Its comparing what’s acceptable at two completely different sized clubs as if they are aiming for the same thing.

He came in and met the target the board set him in the last two seasons. The one article you refer to about him wanting top6/europe or whatever it was he claimed can also be countered by the fact there’s numerous articles where he also indicated that staying up was deemed a success, both by him and the Kilmarnock board. And if that was their target then they would have been fully expecting runs of form where they may lose 5 or 6 out of 7 or 8 games, so it doesn’t really equate to ‘sticking by him’.

[john rossi]

I suppose it was inevitable that he had to go Sunday was the final straw when the Hibs support voiced their anger in no uncertain terms he was a dead man walking. The bigger picture is our next appointment and can the board owners get it right 5 managers in 5 years leaves me in doubt.

[Callum_62]

I suppose it was inevitable that he had to go Sunday was the final straw when the Hibs support voiced their anger in no uncertain terms he was a dead man walking. The bigger picture is our next appointment and can the board owners get it right 5 managers in 5 years leaves me in doubt.It will be malkys first attempt at appointing someone decent

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[WeeRussell]

Just seen Matty’s handsome puss on the news so everything has been worthwhile today whatever happens now.

[bordergreen]

I'm curious what makes Montgomery a good guy and Johnson not? Not having a go at you but i've seen this a lot. Montgomery never took any of the blame, ever. Blamed the players, fans and appears to have run to Scott Burns straight away. He never came across as a good guy at all to me. No more so than Johnson anyway who was very gracious when he left.

I never saw Montgomery slavering the way Johnson did. I always thought Montgomery was honest, if uninspiring. It was time for him to go, he was out of his depth at Hibs, but leaves with my best wishes for the future.

[basehibby]

I think only Maloney can feel hard done by out the three. He got half as many games as Monty. Took over a worse squad than Monty’s. The transfers we made were utter guff for Maloney (out of the 6 only Harry Clarke was any good, and he was only available for 8 games). Plus, we’re likely to end up finishing the same position.
Probably fair to say Maloney was given a rough ride. He may yet go on to become a very good manager but it he was NOT the right appointment at Hibs at when he took charge.

[I'm Spartacus]

Just seen Matty’s handsome puss on the news so everything has been worthwhile today whatever happens now.

What was with his TV voice?! No way he could keep that up for a full Longbanger!

[I'm Spartacus]

I never saw Montgomery slavering the way Johnson did. I always thought Montgomery was honest, if uninspiring. It was time for him to go, he was out of his depth at Hibs, but leaves with my best wishes for the future.

Lee slavered random utter dross, NM just repeated himself every week.

Can anyone believe Jack Eye Bleeding Ross has been the best we've had since then.

[Posh Swanny]

You wait till Lennon gets announced!:timebomb:

Hibs: hold my beer.

[Winston Ingram]

Just putting a question out there , Is with what's happening to us on the managerial sackings of Maloney 4 months , LJ about a year , Monty 9 months going to make it maybe harder to entice a manager at another club that's doing well or won't it matter ? .


https://insidefutbol.com/2024/05/14/being-brutally-honest-former-hibernian-star-makes-derek-mcinnes-admission/644881/

This filet-o-fish is peddled every single time we sack someone and it never has no affect on our recruitment of our new manager.

It will likely encourage appointments as anyone will look at how bad Monty was and recognise it’ll not be difficult to do better than him.

[basehibby]

I never saw Montgomery slavering the way Johnson did. I always thought Montgomery was honest, if uninspiring. It was time for him to go, he was out of his depth at Hibs, but leaves with my best wishes for the future.
I never understood the obsession with LJ's interviews. Ultimately he was not the right man for the job but I could not have given a flying one about his post match interview flannel - if anything I found it quite entertaining. What I cared about was the football and when it was good it was good under LJ - but when it was bad it was bad. And crucially when we had the most forgiving opening league fixtures I can remember in all my days as a Hibee it was VERY bad.
Monty never seemed confident in interviews but most crucially once again, neither did the performances on the park. At no point in his short tenure did I detect an ability to inspire a team from the training pitch and dressing room onto the pitch on match day. That was his REAL shortfall IMO (F the interviews) and much as I wish him and his family all the best I'm very glad he's gone.

[blackpoolhibs]

What a difference having a manager who has the team set up right, playing with more pace and purpose.:top marks

We actually sought that last clown out from 10000 miles away, when someone much better was already in the building.:rolleyes:

[TrinityHFC]

What a difference having a manager who has the team set up right, playing with more pace and purpose.:top marks

We actually sought that last clown out from 10000 miles away, when someone much better was already in the building.:rolleyes:

Yep. This team had it in it to be much more effective.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Yep. This team had it in it to be much more effective.

Absolutely. The idea it was a bottom 6 squad was always absolute nonsense.

[we are hibs]

Heard this nonsense after they got Johnson sacked too. They're a poor group of players and the clear out can't begin quick enough. No amount of wins in meaningless games changes that

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[Unseen work]

Everyone has known we have good talent going forward but struggle defensively.

Monty and Johnson done nothing to help us defensively and if anything exposed us.

Gray in two games in charge has made us instantly look better defensively and more organised.

[TrinityHFC]

Everyone has known we have good talent going forward but struggle defensively.

Monty and Johnson done nothing to help us defensively and if anything exposed us.

Gray in two games in charge has made us instantly look better defensively and more organised.

Yeah, what a waste of a season bringing NM in. You could see within a few games he had blunted our best players and wasn’t balancing that out with tightening up.

[Since452]

We'd have won a lot more games 3-0 if Montgomery hadn't been appointed

[Paulie Walnuts]

We'd have won a lot more games 3-0 if Montgomery hadn't been appointed

I reckon we’d be in a European spot.

[Since452]

I reckon we’d be in a European spot.

So do I. Never bought the squad not being good enough argument. The manager wasn't good enough.

[The Modfather]

Montgomery was ultimately a poor appointment, but I think there’s a danger to read too much into a dead rubber which had the added motivation of wanting a good send off for Stevenson & Hanlon.

I’d have liked to have seen us last night if we had conceded the first goal, a different manager might have had us about 5th or 6th with Maolida doing the role of Nisbet and papering over the many cracks.

Hope last night doesn’t change anything in terms of the ruthless rebuild needed.

[Jones28]

If NM is the main reason Hanlon and Stevenson are leaving the club then my sympathies for him being sacked are massively reduced.

I hope a new gaffer comes in and reverses that decision pronto.

[jeffers]

If NM is the main reason Hanlon and Stevenson are leaving the club then my sympathies for him being sacked are massively reduced.

I hope a new gaffer comes in and reverses that decision pronto.

I think there’s more to it than simply Montgomery. Though he still could have played them more this season even if they were leaving. That’s down to him.

[jacomo]

Montgomery was ultimately a poor appointment, but I think there’s a danger to read too much into a dead rubber which had the added motivation of wanting a good send off for Stevenson & Hanlon.

I’d have liked to have seen us last night if we had conceded the first goal, a different manager might have had us about 5th or 6th with Maolida doing the role of Nisbet and papering over the many cracks.

Hope last night doesn’t change anything in terms of the ruthless rebuild needed.


Ok let’s not read too much into it, but SDG has this habit of getting a performance out of the players when put in charge as caretaker which can’t be denied.

[Jones28]

I think there’s more to it than simply Montgomery. Though he still could have played them more this season even if they were leaving. That’s down to him.

If they want to move on to play first team football then thats great for them and I hope it's decisions that Paul and Lewis have made. If it's NM being the orchestrator then he slips even lower in my estimations.

[jacomo]

If they want to move on to play first team football then thats great for them and I hope it's decisions that Paul and Lewis have made. If it's NM being the orchestrator then he slips even lower in my estimations.


Any decisions Paul and Lewis have made will have been heavily influenced by being frozen out of the first team by NM.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Ok let’s not read too much into it, but SDG has this habit of getting a performance out of the players when put in charge as caretaker which can’t be denied.

:agree:

And we’ll have people telling us it’s because the players repeatedly down tools yet the vast majority of the players have only been here less than two seasons, so that doesn’t really add up either, unless the claim is every player we sign is the kind of guy that downs tools.

The reality is that David Gray is simply much more capable of getting a tune out of the players than Maloney and Montgomery were.

[jeffers]

If they want to move on to play first team football then thats great for them and I hope it's decisions that Paul and Lewis have made. If it's NM being the orchestrator then he slips even lower in my estimations.

I can’t comment on Lewis ‘cos maybe he accepted he’d get limited game time. Paul absolutely didn’t want to leave.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I can’t comment on Lewis ‘cos maybe he accepted he’d get limited game time. Paul absolutely didn’t want to leave.

I can accept Lewis’ leaving. I don’t think there’s any doubting he’s struggling at this level now and age wise, he’s really knocking on now.

Paul Hanlon should absolutely be getting another year though imo.

[Jones28]

I can’t comment on Lewis ‘cos maybe he accepted he’d get limited game time. Paul absolutely didn’t want to leave.

In that case then Montgomery is just about as poor a manager as we've ever had, both on the pitch and in the dressing room.

Thank **** hes away.

[The Modfather]

:agree:

And we’ll have people telling us it’s because the players repeatedly down tools yet the vast majority of the players have only been here less than two seasons, so that doesn’t really add up either, unless the claim is every player we sign is the kind of guy that downs tools.

The reality is that David Gray is simply much more capable of getting a tune out of the players than Maloney and Montgomery were.

I think there’s definitely questions about the character of our signings. Evidenced by the lack of leadership, the senior players never go over to someone after they’ve made a mistake. I’m not talking about bawling and shouting at them, but having a constructive word in their ear that their effort to stop the cross, track the runner, not clearing their lines in certain situations etc wasn’t good enough. Everyone simply trudges silently back to kickoff heads down.

I don’t think we sign bad eggs as such. We do sign players that come into an already poor environment, where there’s not a clear plan for how they compliment the team. Add that to nearly all players being closer to dragging players down rather than dragging them up (Maolida being the exception) it all amounts to a squad that doesn’t react well to adversity rather than deliberately downing tools IMO.

McGeough could drag us back into a game by slowing or quickening the tempo as was required, McGinn could drag us back in through sheer workrate and driving forward with the ball and getting the crowd feeding off that. We have a squad that play at one pace and continue to play the same way whether it’s working or we’re struggling.

Bad managers simply compound all of the above IMO.

[worcesterhibby]

I think there’s definitely questions about the character of our signings. Evidenced by the lack of leadership, the senior players never go over to someone after they’ve made a mistake. I’m not talking about bawling and shouting at them, but having a constructive word in their ear that their effort to stop the cross, track the runner, not clearing their lines in certain situations etc wasn’t good enough. Everyone simply trudges silently back to kickoff heads down.

I don’t think we sign bad eggs as such. We do sign players that come into an already poor environment, where there’s not a clear plan for how they compliment the team. Add that to nearly all players being closer to dragging players down rather than dragging them up (Maolida being the exception) it all amounts to a squad that doesn’t react well to adversity rather than deliberately downing tools IMO.

McGeough could drag us back into a game by slowing or quickening the tempo as was required, McGinn could drag us back in through sheer workrate and driving forward with the ball and getting the crowd feeding off that. We have a squad that play at one pace and continue to play the same way whether it’s working or we’re struggling.

Bad managers simply compound all of the above IMO.

spot on, what the team has been crying out for since McGinn left, is someone who wants to receive the ball from the defence on the half turn and drive forward through the middle, or play a one touch pass straight into the forwards. Monty, Maloney and to a lesser extent Johnson were obsessed by slow build up and midfielders receiveing the ball facing their own goal, so their only option is to pass backwards or sideways, with the only players seemingly given permission to drive forward being on the flanks.

I've heard a few interviews with Paul Scholes recently pulling his hair our about the way modern teams are too slow to get the ball forward. His opion is basically that.. A) your best players, the players that score goals are forwards, so get them the ball as much as possible. B) Midfielders should receive the ball on the half turn whenever possible and if there is space in front of you, drive into it, if there isn't then forwards will make a run and find space.. so you pass it to them. If your pass is intercepted, Roy Keane will kick the player who intercepted it.... C) repeat.....Simple.

[Jock O]

I think there’s definitely questions about the character of our signings. Evidenced by the lack of leadership, the senior players never go over to someone after they’ve made a mistake. I’m not talking about bawling and shouting at them, but having a constructive word in their ear that their effort to stop the cross, track the runner, not clearing their lines in certain situations etc wasn’t good enough. Everyone simply trudges silently back to kickoff heads down.

.

On Sunday after the first goal Newell, your favourite, went back to speak to Hanlon and Rocky, shouted something over at Obita and then geed up Moriah-Welsh. People choose what they want to see at the moment.

[JohnM1875]

Probably just lazy journalism, but apparently in the running for the Western Sydney Warriors job along with ex Jambo Kisnorbo.

[Since452]

Steven Naismith thinks we play 12 games a season.

“When a manager comes in a third of the way through a season and loses his job by the end of it, could you say Nick had a fair shot at it? I’m not sure he has".

[eastmainsmsh]

Has Monty issued anything statement wise 🤔

[GordonHFC]

Has Monty issued anything statement wise 🤔

Only the nonsense through the daily ranger.

[we are hibs]

STATEMENT RELEASED ON BEHALF OF NICK MONTGOMERY:
"It was an honour to be appointed manager of Hibernian Football Club and to become part of a club with so much history.
"After arriving with my Assistant Manager Sergio and Goalkeeping*Coach Miguel, at a time when the club had been through a difficult start to the season, I was confident that we could lift the club and help to challenge for both cups and the top six*positions.*
Whilst I am proud we made the semi-final of the League Cup and the quarter-final of the Scottish Cup, I am*disappointed that we narrowly missed out of the top six*in the last minute of the final game.*
I am*immensely proud to have given a debut*to the youngest player in the club's history, as well as four*other academy graduates, and I hope they will continue their development to become first*team regulars in the near future.*

"I depart having met some wonderful people and*witnessed the passionate fan base who showed support throughout all of the challenges the club*faced during the season.*

"I would like to thank all of the players and staff for their efforts during my time as manager. I’m sure with the secured investment from the Black Knight group and the partnerships within the group, the club can continue to grow and reach its expectations in the near future.*

"I would like to*thank the Gordon family for the opportunity, as well as Ben Kensell, Brian McDermott and the board of directors, and I wish the club well moving forward."



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[Trinity Hibee]

STATEMENT RELEASED ON BEHALF OF NICK MONTGOMERY:
"It was an honour to be appointed manager of Hibernian Football Club and to become part of a club with so much history.
"After arriving with my Assistant Manager Sergio and Goalkeeping*Coach Miguel, at a time when the club had been through a difficult start to the season, I was confident that we could lift the club and help to challenge for both cups and the top six*positions.*
Whilst I am proud we made the semi-final of the League Cup and the quarter-final of the Scottish Cup, I am*disappointed that we narrowly missed out of the top six*in the last minute of the final game.*
I am*immensely proud to have given a debut*to the youngest player in the club's history, as well as four*other academy graduates, and I hope they will continue their development to become first*team regulars in the near future.*

"I depart having met some wonderful people and*witnessed the passionate fan base who showed support throughout all of the challenges the club*faced during the season.*

"I would like to thank all of the players and staff for their efforts during my time as manager. I’m sure with the secured investment from the Black Knight group and the partnerships within the group, the club can continue to grow and reach its expectations in the near future.*

"I would like to*thank the Gordon family for the opportunity, as well as Ben Kensell, Brian McDermott and the board of directors, and I wish the club well moving forward."



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Better sign off than ALF anyway. Kept it classy

[Since452]

STATEMENT RELEASED ON BEHALF OF NICK MONTGOMERY:
"Yeah, I thought it was an honour to be appointed manager of Hibernian Football Club and to become part of a club with so much history.
"Yeah, I think after arriving with my Assistant Manager Sergio and Goalkeeping*Coach Miguel, at a time when the club had been through a difficult start to the season, I was confident that we could lift the club and help to challenge for both cups and the top six*positions.*
Whilst I am proud we made the semi-final, losing to 10 man Aberdeen, Yeah, League Cup and the quarter-final of the Scottish Cup, I am*disappointed that we narrowly missed out of the top six*in the last minute of the final game being moments away from jubilation.*
Yeah, am*immensely proud to have resurrected the career of Jair Tavares, given a debut*to the youngest player in the club's history, as well as four*other academy graduates, although I'm not exactly sure where I last saw them, but yeah, I hope they will continue their development to become first*team regulars in the near future.*

"I depart having met some wonderful people, especially Jair Tavares, and*witnessed the passionate fan base who showed support throughout all of the challenges the club*faced during the season.*

"Yeah, I would like to thank all of the players and staff for their efforts during my time as manager. I’m sure with the secured investment from the Black Knight group and the partnerships within the group, the club can continue to grow and reach its expectations in the near future.*

"Yeah, I would like to*thank the Gordon family for the opportunity, as well as Ben Kensell, Brian McDermott and the board of directors, and yeah, I wish the club well moving forward."



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Fixed it

[Winston Ingram]

STATEMENT RELEASED ON BEHALF OF NICK MONTGOMERY:
"It was an honour to be appointed manager of Hibernian Football Club and to become part of a club with so much history.
"After arriving with my Assistant Manager Sergio and Goalkeeping*Coach Miguel, at a time when the club had been through a difficult start to the season, I was confident that we could lift the club and help to challenge for both cups and the top six*positions.*
Whilst I am proud we made the semi-final of the League Cup and the quarter-final of the Scottish Cup, I am*disappointed that we narrowly missed out of the top six*in the last minute of the final game.*
I am*immensely proud to have given a debut*to the youngest player in the club's history, as well as four*other academy graduates, and I hope they will continue their development to become first*team regulars in the near future.*

"I depart having met some wonderful people and*witnessed the passionate fan base who showed support throughout all of the challenges the club*faced during the season.*

"I would like to thank all of the players and staff for their efforts during my time as manager. I’m sure with the secured investment from the Black Knight group and the partnerships within the group, the club can continue to grow and reach its expectations in the near future.*

"I would like to*thank the Gordon family for the opportunity, as well as Ben Kensell, Brian McDermott and the board of directors, and I wish the club well moving forward."



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Still slavering I see

Proud of reaching the semi. He won 1 game to get there and nearly blew it by giving a debut to the clubs youngest ever player.

We didn’t miss out on the top 6 in the last minute of the final game. If we’d won it, we still wouldn’t have made it.

[worcesterhibby]

Still slavering I see

Proud of reaching the semi. He won 1 game to get there and nearly blew it by giving a debut to the clubs youngest ever player.

We didn’t miss out on the top 6 in the last minute of the final game. If we’d won it, we still wouldn’t have made it.

Give the guy a break, he's gone.

[mcohibs]

Give the guy a break, he's gone.

It was NM that released a statement to be fair so he’s inviting a response. That statement unfortunately is a complete loads of Colin Nish filled with inaccuracies and excuses.

[JimBHibees]

Still slavering I see

Proud of reaching the semi. He won 1 game to get there and nearly blew it by giving a debut to the clubs youngest ever player.

We didn’t miss out on the top 6 in the last minute of the final game. If we’d won it, we still wouldn’t have made it.

Think we would have been top 6 wouldn’t we

[JimBHibees]

It was NM that released a statement to be fair so he’s inviting a response. That statement unfortunately is a complete loads of Colin Nish filled with inaccuracies and excuses.

What is inaccurate

[JimBHibees]

Fixed it

Hysterical

[Since452]

Hysterical

Glad you liked it

[Winston Ingram]

Think we would have been top 6 wouldn’t we

Nope. Dundee got a point v the Huns on the Wednesday after which would’ve confined us to the bottom 6

[B.H.F.C]

Nope. Dundee got a point v the Huns on the Wednesday after which would’ve confined us to the bottom 6

Had we won at Motherwell we’d both have been on 41 points come the split. We’d have been sixth on goal difference. No that it really matters in the grand scheme of things.

[JimBHibees]

Nope. Dundee got a point v the Huns on the Wednesday after which would’ve confined us to the bottom 6

Nope we would have been ahead on goal difference

[easty]

Think we would have been top 6 wouldn’t we

Aye but that minute wasn't the reason we didn't make top 6, it was the 9 months he was in charge.

[JimBHibees]

Aye but that minute wasn't the reason we didn't make top 6, it was the 9 months he was in charge.

Technically it was but clearly we butchered loads of points as well as being shafted by officials

[Donegal Hibby]

Aye but that minute wasn't the reason we didn't make top 6, it was the 9 months he was in charge.

Does that include all the bad decisions that cost us points too mate ? 🤔

[easty]

Technically it was but clearly we butchered loads of points as well as being shafted by officials


Does that include all the bad decisions that cost us points too mate ? 🤔

Cry me a river.

Should never have got the job in the first place, and he got far too long, but at least we finally saw sense and punted him :aok:

[JimBHibees]

Cry me a river.

Should never have got the job in the first place, and he got far too long, but at least we finally saw sense and punted him :aok:

Fair enough however a bit unfair to not take into account factors which would clearly impact our points

[easty]

Fair enough however a bit unfair to not take into account factors which would clearly impact our points

Impact of the manager being poor is greater over the 9 months than the decisions that we didn't get.

[JimBHibees]

Impact of the manager being poor is greater over the 9 months than the decisions that we didn't get.

When it comes to missing out by a point probably not

[Since452]

The fact we point to bad decisions from officials for not making top 6 just highlights how woeful Montgomery was. We should have had more than enough points to spare to allow for that. Top 6 were taking about here.

[easty]

When it comes to missing out by a point probably not

Disagree. You can point to bad refereeing decisions that cost us 1 point here or there. I'll say that it was in our own hands to hold onto leads that we let slip away with poor game management and substitutions.

[JimBHibees]

Disagree. You can point to bad refereeing decisions that cost us 1 point here or there. I'll say that it was in our own hands to hold onto leads that we let slip away with poor game management and substitutions.

The Ross county decision cost us two points on its own

[easty]

The Ross county decision cost us two points on its own

What, a throw in being given the wrong way and taken in the wrong place?

Christ, they took the throw-in, played the ball back to almost the half-way line, we had 10 players between ball and our goal at that point.

A wrong decision was made but we lost those points more than anyone cost us them.

[J-C]

Does that include all the bad decisions that cost us points too mate ? 🤔

Fed up hearing about bad decisions, maybe if the defence hadn't been pish most of the season we'd have a chance, we ended up with -7 goal difference ffs.

[JimBHibees]

What, a throw in being given the wrong way and taken in the wrong place?

Christ, they took the throw-in, played the ball back to almost the half-way line, we had 10 players between ball and our goal at that point.

A wrong decision was made but we lost those points more than anyone cost us them.

Don’t remember it going back to half way line

[JimBHibees]

Fed up hearing about bad decisions, maybe if the defence hadn't been pish most of the season we'd have a chance, we ended up with -7 goal difference ffs.

That is what the refs want you to think

[jeffers]

Maybe players being buggered after all the additional training they were doing was a bigger factor in all the late goals we lost. Just saying…

[easty]

Don’t remember it going back to half way line

I've looked back, it's not. It's about 40 yards out. Still we've 10 behind the ball. We weren't caught out with a throw being taken wrong place thrown in behind us.

[J-C]

That is what the refs want you to think

So all the ****ty gaols from crosses where defenders played crap don't count, our defence was brutal nearly all season and the goal difference tells it's own story.

[JimBHibees]

So all the ****ty gaols from crosses where defenders played crap don't count, our defence was brutal nearly all season and the goal difference tells it's own story.

No one said it didnt

[JimBHibees]

Maybe players being buggered after all the additional training they were doing was a bigger factor in all the late goals we lost. Just saying…

:greengrin

[Donegal Hibby]

Fed up hearing about bad decisions, maybe if the defence hadn't been pish most of the season we'd have a chance, we ended up with -7 goal difference ffs.

So am I mate , bloody referees , yeah ?

[Northernhibee]

Ah yes, we should be thankful for not getting penalties against St Johnstone and Aberdeen, phantom penalties being given to Rangers and Hearts, Hearts players not getting sent off, and more.

Just because our defence was very poor last season doesn’t also mean that refereeing didn’t make a similar, if not bigger, impact.


If Hibs are cheated in games I expect us to make a noise about it, not meekly accept it.

[Since452]

Aberdeen scudded us 4-0 at home and we lost to playoff fodder Ross County. In hindsight, thank **** we finished bottom six and didn't have to play Celtic, Rangers and Hearts.

[easty]

Ah yes, we should be thankful for not getting penalties against St Johnstone and Aberdeen, phantom penalties being given to Rangers and Hearts, Hearts players not getting sent off, and more.

Just because our defence was very poor last season doesn’t also mean that refereeing didn’t make a similar, if not bigger, impact.


If Hibs are cheated in games I expect us to make a noise about it, not meekly accept it.

What are you on about? Who’s thankful? Who’s saying we shouldn’t make noise about it?

[One Day Soon]

Attention!

This is Imperial command to all Japanese soldiers on outlying islands. I repeat, this is Imperial command to all Japanese soldiers on outlying islands.

Hostilities are over. They have been over for some time. We are no longer at war with Nick Montgomery. Lay down your arms and come out of the jungle.

[Unseen work]

“We were only 20 seconds away from making the top six before conceding a last minute equaliser against Motherwell. I think by giving several young players their chance during my time there I was able to build a bit of depth for the future. I left the club in a better place than I found it.

I had one window in January which is always a difficult window and brought In Myziane Maolida (11 goals in 18 appearances) who was our top scorer, plus Nathan Moriah Welsh who won young player of the year. We also brought the average age down from around 29 to 26 we were on a good long term path with by bringing about change, which is always uncomfortable.“

This sort of stuff, whilst could be viewed as a positive is the reason why imo it never worked out.

Missing out on top 6 by just 20 seconds is not an achievement

The young players? Are they in a better place, Whittaker perhaps but the rest like Molotkinov and Megwa would probably be in a similar position. I said at the time I thought him playing Whittaker as early as he did was to tick a box/win some fans and get a new youngest appearance in the first team.

Maolida and NMW - Both good players who improved us. His signings or recruitment team/bournemouth link? We can’t pick and choose when to credit managers/slag recruitment team when it suits

Average age of the squad down? By signing an 18 year old from Sunderland who never played? I’d rather a 29 year old who played

[H18 SFR]

“We were only 20 seconds away from making the top six before conceding a last minute equaliser against Motherwell. I think by giving several young players their chance during my time there I was able to build a bit of depth for the future. I left the club in a better place than I found it.

I had one window in January which is always a difficult window and brought In Myziane Maolida (11 goals in 18 appearances) who was our top scorer, plus Nathan Moriah Welsh who won young player of the year. We also brought the average age down from around 29 to 26 we were on a good long term path with by bringing about change, which is always uncomfortable.“

This sort of stuff, whilst could be viewed as a positive is the reason why imo it never worked out.

Missing out on top 6 by just 20 seconds is not an achievement

The young players? Are they in a better place, Whittaker perhaps but the rest like Molotkinov and Megwa would probably be in a similar position. I said at the time I thought him playing Whittaker as early as he did was to tick a box/win some fans and get a new youngest appearance in the first team.

Maolida and NMW - Both good players who improved us. His signings or recruitment team/bournemouth link? We can’t pick and choose when to credit managers/slag recruitment team when it suits

Average age of the squad down? By signing an 18 year old from Sunderland who never played? I’d rather a 29 year old who played

Is it even true? Did Dundee not get the point that made is mathematically impossible for us to go above them in the rearranged game at home to rangers the Wednesday after?

[Alex Trager]

Is it even true? Did Dundee not get the point that made is mathematically impossible for us to go above them in the rearranged game at home to rangers the Wednesday after?

No we’d have been top six unless Dundee had won.

[JohnM1875]

No we’d have been top six unless Dundee had won.

Aye, pretty sure we'd have been top six on goal difference with Dundee drawing.

[JimBHibees]

Aye, pretty sure we'd have been top six on goal difference with Dundee drawing.

We definitely would have we had a better goal difference than Dundee.

[TrinityHFC]

“We were only 20 seconds away from making the top six before conceding a last minute equaliser against Motherwell. I think by giving several young players their chance during my time there I was able to build a bit of depth for the future. I left the club in a better place than I found it.

I had one window in January which is always a difficult window and brought In Myziane Maolida (11 goals in 18 appearances) who was our top scorer, plus Nathan Moriah Welsh who won young player of the year. We also brought the average age down from around 29 to 26 we were on a good long term path with by bringing about change, which is always uncomfortable.“

This sort of stuff, whilst could be viewed as a positive is the reason why imo it never worked out.

Missing out on top 6 by just 20 seconds is not an achievement

The young players? Are they in a better place, Whittaker perhaps but the rest like Molotkinov and Megwa would probably be in a similar position. I said at the time I thought him playing Whittaker as early as he did was to tick a box/win some fans and get a new youngest appearance in the first team.

Maolida and NMW - Both good players who improved us. His signings or recruitment team/bournemouth link? We can’t pick and choose when to credit managers/slag recruitment team when it suits

Average age of the squad down? By signing an 18 year old from Sunderland who never played? I’d rather a 29 year old who played

Yeah. I see Raimondo posted a video highlighting the success of the playing out from the back and taking a lot of praise on it.

One of the issues with modern coaching. The stats on this I’m sure looks great but we were not winning games and were rubbish to watch.

[Since452]

“We were only 20 seconds away from making the top six before conceding a last minute equaliser against Motherwell. I think by giving several young players their chance during my time there I was able to build a bit of depth for the future. I left the club in a better place than I found it.

I had one window in January which is always a difficult window and brought In Myziane Maolida (11 goals in 18 appearances) who was our top scorer, plus Nathan Moriah Welsh who won young player of the year. We also brought the average age down from around 29 to 26 we were on a good long term path with by bringing about change, which is always uncomfortable.“

This sort of stuff, whilst could be viewed as a positive is the reason why imo it never worked out.

Missing out on top 6 by just 20 seconds is not an achievement

The young players? Are they in a better place, Whittaker perhaps but the rest like Molotkinov and Megwa would probably be in a similar position. I said at the time I thought him playing Whittaker as early as he did was to tick a box/win some fans and get a new youngest appearance in the first team.

Maolida and NMW - Both good players who improved us. His signings or recruitment team/bournemouth link? We can’t pick and choose when to credit managers/slag recruitment team when it suits

Average age of the squad down? By signing an 18 year old from Sunderland who never played? I’d rather a 29 year old who played

He left the club in a better place than he found it? Is he for real?

[Pretty Boy]

He left the club in a better place than he found it? Is he for real?

It's just a bizarre claim backed up in part by the signing of a loan player.

Leave out all the subjective stuff about 'being close' or 'fine margins' and the fact is we got worse after the January window. From Montgomery taking over until the end of January our league results were:

P - 18
W - 5 (28%)
D - 8 (44%)
L - 5 (28%)

Post January up to his sacking was:

P - 14
W - 4 (28%)
D - 4 (28%)
L - 6 (44%)

I'm sure people will be able to mitigate that to some extent but the idea he left is in a better place than were he found us is laughable, certainly not to any extent that is worth trying to justify.

[easty]

Yeah. I see Raimondo posted a video highlighting the success of the playing out from the back and taking a lot of praise on it.

One of the issues with modern coaching. The stats on this I’m sure looks great but we were not winning games and were rubbish to watch.

That video was a joke. Is it meant to be an achievement? Hibs passing the ball around in our third when we always have at least one player extra...they're professional footballers ffs, I'd expect far lower levels of football to be able to do that fairly simply. There were parts of the video that had Rocky playing a 3 yard pass from a goalkick to Marshall, then Marshall going long. What's that showing anyone?

[easty]

It's just a bizarre claim backed up in part by the signing of a loan player.

Leave out all the subjective stuff about 'being close' or 'fine margins' and the fact is we got worse after the January window. From Montgomery taking over until the end of January our league results were:

P - 18
W - 5 (28%)
D - 8 (44%)
L - 5 (28%)

Post January up to his sacking was:

P - 14
W - 4 (28%)
D - 4 (28%)
L - 6 (44%)

I'm sure people will be able to mitigate that to some extent but the idea he left is in a better place than were he found us is laughable, certainly not to any extent that is worth trying to justify.

Folk will mitigate it, but the fact is - of those 4 games we won post-January until he was sacked, 3 of them were against the 3 worst teams in the league.

He was an absolute disaster as Hibs manager in my opinion.

[The Modfather]

I bet Monty is watching our new season with a wry smile from his new job at Spurs. Feeling a bit vindicated that the problems at Hibs last season ran a lot deeper than him.

Today was much like a Montgomery team. Some good stuff, some meh stuff and some bad stuff. With the customary falling apart at the first sign of adversary.

[Jones28]

Aw **** me it’s one game in. Stinking result but this is just needless.

[SHODAN]

This bumping old threads to make a point thing is already really tiring.

[He's here!]

I bet Monty is watching our new season with a wry smile from his new job at Spurs. Feeling a bit vindicated that the problems at Hibs last season ran a lot deeper than him.

Today was much like a Montgomery team. Some good stuff, some meh stuff and some bad stuff. With the customary falling apart at the first sign of adversary.

That crossed my mind as well. It'll be interesting to see where his career goes in the coming years. It may not go anywhere special but I think we're already showing that our issues run deeper than whoever our latest manager happens to be.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Nick Montgomery is the worst manager we’ve had since relegation. He can have whatever expression he wants on his face, that fact won’t change.

[MWHIBBIES]

Na, he was still a gash manager.

[JohnM1875]

Na, he was still a gash manager.

Yup, nowhere near good enough and failed to get us top six even with the addition of Maolida. Hate to think where we would've finished without him.

[Since452]

Worst manager since Terry Butcher. Not really interested if he had a wry smile or not as long as he isn't doing it anywhere Easter Road.

[SaulGoodman]

1 league game into the season must be a new record for the whole “maybe our previous manager wasn’t so bad” posts.

He was a **** manager. Yes, we’re still pretty ****, but that doesn’t change that fact.

[we are hibs]

1 league game into the season must be a new record for the whole “maybe our previous manager wasn’t so bad” posts.

He was a **** manager. Yes, we’re still pretty ****, but that doesn’t change that fact.Yeah he was a poor manager. No doubt.



But the idea folk were saying that the squad was "underperforming" and we had a top 6 squad was nonsense. We had a bottom 6 group of players with a questionable attitude. We still have that now.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Yeah he was a poor manager. No doubt.



But the idea folk were saying that the squad was "underperforming" and we had a top 6 squad was nonsense. We had a bottom 6 group of players with a questionable attitude. We still have that now.

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Na, not for me.

It was a top 6 squad he had. He completely underperformed with the squad at his disposal.