Montgomery, Kensell and Gordon: It's a disaster

[One Day Soon]

Mongomery is clueless and spectacularly out of his depth.

The club is owned by the Gordons and their representative on earth as far as Hibernian is concerned is Ian Gordon. He knows literally nothing about football.

Ben Kensell is the vastly overpaid Chief Executive. He knows nothing about football.

We can sack Montgomery (likely).

We can sack Kensell (unlikely).

We cannot sack Ian Gordon. He effectively owns the club.

This is verbatim what is says on the club website:

"Like Ron, Ian has a burning passion for football, and studied talent identification courses at the English Football Association, alongside courses at the Johan Cruyff Institute and the Sports Business Institute Barcelona.

He worked as Hibs' Head of Recruitment and is now learning off the Club’s CEO to understand the difference facets involved in running a Football Club."

This is terrifying. A guy who inherited a toy from daddy does not know how to operate the toy and is currently being tutored on operating the toy by someone else who also does not know how to operate the toy.

Unless the Black Knights produce something unimaginable we are in very, very deep trouble.

[Trinity Hibee]

Get them all to ****

[Northernhibee]

Iain Gordon was our head of recruitment.

The less said about Kensell the better.

We’re getting relegated next season as we can see the squad is broken but we’ll likely end up going for some youngster from the Luxembourg sixth division because his stats are good.

[Since90+2]

Mongomery is clueless and spectacularly out of his depth.

The club is owned by the Gordons and their representative on earth as far as Hibernian is concerned is Ian Gordon. He knows literally nothing about football.

Ben Kensell is the vastly overpaid Chief Executive. He knows nothing about football.

We can sack Montgomery (likely).

We can sack Kensell (unlikely).

We cannot sack Ian Gordon. He effectively owns the club.

This is verbatim what is says on the club website:

"Like Ron, Ian has a burning passion for football, and studied talent identification courses at the English Football Association, alongside courses at the Johan Cruyff Institute and the Sports Business Institute Barcelona.

He worked as Hibs' Head of Recruitment and is now learning off the Club’s CEO to understand the difference facets involved in running a Football Club."

This is terrifying. A guy who inherited a toy from daddy does not know how to operate the toy and is currently being tutored on operating the toy by someone else who also does not know how to operate the toy.

Unless the Black Knights produce something unimaginable we are in very, very deep trouble.

Montgomery will be sacked. That will take care of itself as after the result today it's inevitable. No point stressing about it.

Kensell probably should be sacked but not as certain.

Iain Gordon I think the wording of your post is way over the top. He's obviously not an experienced businessman and he's been left to try and run a club after his father past away. This was never the plan, I'd imagine the idea was for Ron to mentor him over a decent period of time to learn about business and other aspects of the commercial world. Ron passing away obviously put that on its head and he's been left to try and pick up the pieces.

The wording of "toy" ect is not merited and too harsh IMO. He's brought in new investment of more experienced partners and written off millions of pounds of debt in the process. I genuinely don't see what more the guy could have done.

[HendoDelivered]

If one goes, they all should go.

[eastmainsmsh]

Malcolm mcpherson is he the one that sacked Sauzee ?

Why the **** is he back on board ?

Clubs is a joke

[we are hibs]

Montgomery will be sacked. That will take care of itself as after the result today it's inevitable. No point stressing about it.

Kensell probably should be sacked but not as certain.

Iain Gordon I think the wording of your post is way over the top. He's obviously not an experienced businessman and he's been left to try and run a club after his father past away. This was never the plan, I'd imagine the idea was for Ron to mentor him over a decent period of time to learn about business and other aspects of the commercial world. Ron passing away obviously put that on its head and he's been left to try and pick up the pieces.

The wording of "toy" ect is not merited and too harsh IMO. He's brought in new investment of more experienced partners and written off millions of pounds of debt in the process. I genuinely don't see what more the guy could have done.

Well he could've stayed well clear of the recruitment side of the club. He had no business being "head of recruitment" and most of our problems have coincided with him being given that position.

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[NC1875]

Ben Kensell is the root of the problem.

Vastly overpaid with far too much influence at the club.

Anyone who’s ever met him can’t deny he’s a clown

[Since90+2]

Well he could've stayed well clear of the recruitment side of the club. He had no business being "head of recruitment" and most of our problems have coincided with him being given that position.

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Perhaps, but it was Ron who decided that, not him. I'd imagine he trusted his father and went with what he wanted..

[GreenCastle]

Don't forget the DOF who we appointed after wasting nearly 4 months looking for.

Zero leadership and wouldn't trust any of them fixing this mess.

3 failed managers under Kensell.

Poor Jan window under the DOF - maybe only 2 players get pass marks - NMW and Myziane - more duds than good players.

Monty - well he's made us a laughing stock and somehow worse than LJ.

I actually think Kensell wants away but hasn't found another club that will suit him / match his wild salary Hibs somehow pay him.

The players mentality and attitude stinks too - any new manager needs to freshen up the squad big time or will fail also. Ruthless with changing captain and new players all over the park.

[lucky]

All need to go. The Gordons are our Glaziers. £32 for a bottom-six game is a joke. Lucky if 2000 fans are left in the ground to boo the imposters.

[One Day Soon]

Montgomery will be sacked. That will take care of itself as after the result today it's inevitable. No point stressing about it.

Kensell probably should be sacked but not as certain.

Iain Gordon I think the wording of your post is way over the top. He's obviously not an experienced businessman and he's been left to try and run a club after his father past away. This was never the plan, I'd imagine the idea was for Ron to mentor him over a decent period of time to learn about business and other aspects of the commercial world. Ron passing away obviously put that on its head and he's been left to try and pick up the pieces.

The wording of "toy" ect is not merited and too harsh IMO. He's brought in new investment of more experienced partners and written off millions of pounds of debt in the process. I genuinely don't see what more the guy could have done.


It's not over the top, its an entirely accurate description of what has happened. Regardless of what the idea originally was he is completely unqualified to run a football club and so his his apparent mentor. If I took unexpected ownership of a jumbo jet I wouldn't attempt to fly it and if I did I'd be looking for a very experienced pilot to learn with first. Instead we have two passengers trying to fly the plane.

I suspect we are suffering from a mixture of their bravado and a desire not to have anyone else in a position of influence involved for fear that their experience and weight will end up carrying too much influence.

[SickBoy32]

OP is absolutely spot on.

The club is in a total mess, from the owners through the CEO right down to the players. Incompetence throughout.

As humbling a defeat at home to Aberdeen as any of us are likely to endure.

Get Kensell, and the manager and most of the squad out the door. We need a total reset from top to bottom.

[Pretty Boy]

Montgomery is only still in a job to soak up the flak now. He's miles off it and should go but he didn't appoint himself.

Kensell came in when we were coming off a 3rd place finish. We have regressed massively since with a series of bizarre managerial appointments and an almost unbelievable expenditure and turnover of players. Add a Director of Football appointed who was surprised to hear asked and barely seemed bothered one way or another.

A fish rots from the head down. Those at the top are failing the managers they appoint and, in the case or Montgomery, using him as a human shield.

[B.H.F.C]

The players need added to the list in the thread title. The attitude after we went behind today was an absolute disgrace. Another manager that some of them will gladly chuck under the bus and let take the blame. The club needs ripped up from top to bottom.

[SickBoy32]

It's not over the top, its an entirely accurate description of what has happened. Regardless of what the idea originally was he is completely unqualified to run a football club and so his his apparent mentor. If I took unexpected ownership of a jumbo jet I wouldn't attempt to fly it and if I did I'd be looking for a very experienced pilot to learn with first. Instead we have two passengers trying to fly the plane.

I suspect we are suffering from a mixture of their bravado and a desire not to have anyone else in a position of influence involved for fear that their experience and weight will end up carrying too much influence.

Correct.

Hopelessly out of his depth and will continue to harm the club until he sells up.

[One Day Soon]

Montgomery is only still in a job to soak up the flak now. He's miles off it and should go but he didn't appoint himself.

Kensell came in when we were coming off a 3rd place finish. We have regressed massively since with a series of bizarre managerial appointments and an almost unbelievable expenditure and turnover of players.

A fish rots from the head down. Those at the top are failing the managers they appoint and, in the case or Montgomery, using him as a human shield.

Exactly so.

[Since90+2]

It's not over the top, its an entirely accurate description of what has happened. Regardless of what the idea originally was he is completely unqualified to run a football club and so his his apparent mentor. If I took unexpected ownership of a jumbo jet I wouldn't attempt to fly it and if I did I'd be looking for a very experienced pilot to learn with first. Instead we have two passengers trying to fly the plane.

I suspect we are suffering from a mixture of their bravado and a desire not to have anyone else in a position of influence involved for fear that their experience and weight will end up carrying too much influence.

The pilot analogy makes no sense.

People who own airlines don't fly planes and the Gordons don't manage the football side of business. We have a Director of Football, a Head Coach and a Chief Executive who oversee the footballing operations.

And they did appoint a very experienced "Pilot" in McDermott to be the Director of Football.

[Since90+2]

The biggest culpability with the failings of the club fall at the door of Kensell and McDermott ,who seems to be getting off slightly compared to Kensell, evidenced by the fact he's not even mentioned in the OP.

[One Day Soon]

Correct.

Hopelessly out of his depth and will continue to harm the club until he sells up.

He doesn't even need to sell up. He needs to take some external advice on who to bring in at CE level who has genuine understanding of what is involved in running a football club. Everything else flows from that.

Go to Google, search 'major figures in Scottish football', select any two or three of the names that come up - eg Dalglish, Souness and Robertson at Liverpool. Make overtures to ask for private conversations with all three of them to get orientation on who is who and what matters in football. After that put feelers out for an experienced figure to bring in at the top and give them a brief to run the club and bring in an experienced manager. Then sit back and start your apprenticeship.

[One Day Soon]

The biggest culpability with the failings of the club fall at the door of Kensell and McDermott ,who seems to be getting off slightly compared to Kensell, evidenced by the fact he's not even mentioned in the OP.

Literally everything flows from Kensell and Gordon. All the consequential appointments are made or approved by them. If they don't know what they are doing in terms of either structures or personnel we will continuously - as we have to date - serially make poor appointments on the footballing side.

[SickBoy32]

He doesn't even need to sell up. He needs to take some external advice on who to bring in at CE level who has genuine understanding of what is involved in running a football club. Everything else flows from that.

Go to Google, search 'major figures in Scottish football', select any two or three of the names that come up - eg Dalglish, Souness and Robertson at Liverpool. Make overtures to ask for private conversations with all three of them to get orientation on who is who and what matters in football. After that put feelers out for an experienced figure to bring in at the top and give them a brief to run the club and bring in an experienced manager. Then sit back and start your apprenticeship.

We’re not a stage where we can facilitate Ian Gordon beginning his ‘apprenticeship’.

We deserve and need a lot better.

Bin 👍

[Smartie]

Montgomery will be sacked. That will take care of itself as after the result today it's inevitable. No point stressing about it.

Kensell probably should be sacked but not as certain.

Iain Gordon I think the wording of your post is way over the top. He's obviously not an experienced businessman and he's been left to try and run a club after his father past away. This was never the plan, I'd imagine the idea was for Ron to mentor him over a decent period of time to learn about business and other aspects of the commercial world. Ron passing away obviously put that on its head and he's been left to try and pick up the pieces.

The wording of "toy" ect is not merited and too harsh IMO. He's brought in new investment of more experienced partners and written off millions of pounds of debt in the process. I genuinely don't see what more the guy could have done.

Good post imo.

I’m hurting as much as anyone and there’s no doubt that culpability for our troubles lie with those named in the thread title.

But I still think there’s a bit of room for sympathy and understanding as to why we find ourselves where we are and the circumstances are both tragic and unfortunate.

Acknowledging such does not absolve anyone of blame. Ron had a plan and a vision although early on he certainly made mistakes - chief amongst them being the mysterious arrival of his son at the club, the man who now finds himself firmly in the deep end.

He needs to be surrounding himself with the best possible people and learning fast. Either that or getting out.

My anger is tempered by the fact that I have empathy for an enormously unfortunate set of circumstances that have led us to a position where we’re seriously lacking in leadership. Patience isn’t inexhaustible though and we really need to be seeing signs of tangible progress or any sort of understanding will quickly evaporate.

[Stuart93]

We need to hit self destruct

Players, manager, Kensell, IG, B McD. Get them all emptied.

How we find ourselves here, yet again, is incredible

Looking forward to next season being another transition season

[One Day Soon]

The pilot analogy makes no sense.

People who own airlines don't fly planes and the Gordons don't manage the football side of business. We have a Director of Football, a Head Coach and a Chief Executive who oversee the footballing operations.

And they did appoint a very experienced "Pilot" in McDermott to be the Director of Football.


You appear to believe that the person with the title of Chief Executive is the actual Chief Executive. I don't. People who own airlines don't generally fly aircraft but that appears to be what has been happening here. Our recent player recruitment history alone testifies to that.

[One Day Soon]

We’re not a stage where we can facilitate Ian Gordon beginning his ‘apprenticeship’.

We deserve and need a lot better.

Bin 👍

We don't have any choice. We are locked in the boot of Ian Gordon's car, whether we like it or not.

[One Day Soon]

Good post imo.

I’m hurting as much as anyone and there’s no doubt that culpability for our troubles lie with those named in the thread title.

But I still think there’s a bit of room for sympathy and understanding as to why we find ourselves where we are and the circumstances are both tragic and unfortunate.

Acknowledging such does not absolve anyone of blame. Ron had a plan and a vision although early on he certainly made mistakes - chief amongst them being the mysterious arrival of his son at the club, the man who now finds himself firmly in the deep end.

He needs to be surrounding himself with the best possible people and learning fast. Either that or getting out.

My anger is tempered by the fact that I have empathy for an enormously unfortunate set of circumstances that have led us to a position where we’re seriously lacking in leadership. Patience isn’t inexhaustible though and we really need to be seeing signs of tangible progress or any sort of understanding will quickly evaporate.

In a better world Kensell goes to Ian Gordon and says 'Ian, I am really sorry but I am out of my depth here. We need to bring in expert advice and we need to either step aside to let that happen or we need to be willing to act on that advice without question.

In a better world.

[SeanWilson]

Until we employ football people to run the operational side of a football club, we’ll continue to struggle. I’m happy for business people to do their business thing and I’m happy to pay the price that comes with that, however without football people from top to bottom, we’ll likely be facing another bottom six, if not relegation battle next season.

The club is rotten from the core. I’m sure the Gordon’s are lovely people and I’m ok with them owning the club, just employ some people who actually care about what we’re all putting money, love and emotion into.

[One Day Soon]

Until we employ football people to run the operational side of a football club, we’ll continue to struggle. I’m happy for business people to do their business thing and I’m happy to pay the price that comes with that, however without football people from top to bottom, we’ll likely be facing another bottom six, if not relegation battle next season.

The club is rotten from the core. I’m sure the Gordon’s are lovely people and I’m ok with them owning the club, just employ some people who actually *care about what we’re all putting money, love and emotion into.

This.

One amendment: *care and understand

[jeffers]

Did Kensell appoint Montgomery ?

[Since90+2]

You appear to believe that the person with the title of Chief Executive is the actual Chief Executive. I don't. People who own airlines don't generally fly aircraft but that appears to be what has been happening here. Our recent player recruitment history alone testifies to that.

I do believe Ben Kensell is the Chief Executive and has a massive say in it's success or, unfortunately for us, its failings.

To absolve him of blame by claiming he's not really the Chief Executive is odd given you want him punted, if he's not really the CEO then he can hardlyl be blamed for it's failings.

And on recruitment, we have a very experienced DOF who is in charge of that. If you genuinely believe that Iain Gordon is telling McDermott who to buy then I think you are wrong.

[TrinityHFC]

Ben Kensell is the root of the problem.

Vastly overpaid with far too much influence at the club.

Anyone who’s ever met him can’t deny he’s a clown

Too much influence? He’s the CEO. He runs the club.

[Since90+2]

Too much influence? He’s the CEO. He runs the club.

Exactly.

The guy is literally the Chief Executive Officer of the club. He runs it.

[Widhibs]

9th is an absolute embarrassment

[One Day Soon]

Exactly.

The guy is literally the Chief Executive Officer of the club. He runs it.


Do you seriously imagine that the CEO is unilaterally taking decisions without reference to the owner of the club? This is the blind leading the blind with these two.

I think that every decision has both their fingerprints all over it. And before we had a DoF I'm absolutely convinced that the pair of them were up to their necks in being so much cleverer boys than everyone else in finding and signing players that no-one else could - like Bojang - who were going to turn out to be priceless diamonds missed by every other club. After all - and as the club's website breathlessly informs us - Ian Gordon "studied talent identification courses at the English Football Association, alongside courses at the Johan Cruyff Institute and the Sports Business Institute Barcelona". I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

[TrinityHFC]

Do you seriously imagine that the CEO is unilaterally taking decisions without reference to the owner of the club? This is the blind leading the blind with these two.

I think that every decision has both their fingerprints all over it. And before we had a DoF I'm absolutely convinced that the pair of them were up to their necks in being so much cleverer boys than everyone else in finding and signing players that no-one else could - like Bojang - who were going to turn out to be priceless diamonds missed by every other club. After all - and as the club's website breathlessly informs us - Ian Gordon "studied talent identification courses at the English Football Association, alongside courses at the Johan Cruyff Institute and the Sports Business Institute Barcelona". I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

Like most CEOs he has to navigate the Board and shareholders. It is his job to formulate the direction and get approval for what the collective management of the club would like to do.

[Smartie]

Until we employ football people to run the operational side of a football club, we’ll continue to struggle. I’m happy for business people to do their business thing and I’m happy to pay the price that comes with that, however without football people from top to bottom, we’ll likely be facing another bottom six, if not relegation battle next season.

The club is rotten from the core. I’m sure the Gordon’s are lovely people and I’m ok with them owning the club, just employ some people who actually care about what we’re all putting money, love and emotion into.

Not saying you’re wrong - just that the “employing some people…” part is a skill in itself.

Ron had the credentials to suggest he knew a thing or two about getting that right. And more than that, if he’d got it wrong, he’d know for sure that he needed to fail fast and rectify.

The “Gordon’s” we have have no such experience or track record, therefore we find ourselves in a bit of a pickle.

And at the end of the day it’s their ba’ and they get to choose who plays.

[Since90+2]

Do you seriously imagine that the CEO is unilaterally taking decisions without reference to the owner of the club? This is the blind leading the blind with these two.

I think that every decision has both their fingerprints all over it. And before we had a DoF I'm absolutely convinced that the pair of them were up to their necks in being so much cleverer boys than everyone else in finding and signing players that no-one else could - like Bojang - who were going to turn out to be priceless diamonds missed by every other club. After all - and as the club's website breathlessly informs us - Ian Gordon "studied talent identification courses at the English Football Association, alongside courses at the Johan Cruyff Institute and the Sports Business Institute Barcelona". I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

Do you seriously believe Brian McDermott is scouting players, getting feedback and a general feeling for their suitability of a signing and then IG declines it on a footballing basis? Like you genuinely believe that is happening?

If you do, as you have hinted towards, then any further debate is pointless.

[Since90+2]

Like most CEOs he has to navigate the Board and shareholders. It is his job to formulate the direction and get approval for what the collective management of the club would like to do.

In a nutshell.

[McD]

Do you seriously imagine that the CEO is unilaterally taking decisions without reference to the owner of the club? This is the blind leading the blind with these two.

I think that every decision has both their fingerprints all over it. And before we had a DoF I'm absolutely convinced that the pair of them were up to their necks in being so much cleverer boys than everyone else in finding and signing players that no-one else could - like Bojang - who were going to turn out to be priceless diamonds missed by every other club. After all - and as the club's website breathlessly informs us - Ian Gordon "studied talent identification courses at the English Football Association, alongside courses at the Johan Cruyff Institute and the Sports Business Institute Barcelona". I mean, what could possibly go wrong?



Do you seriously imagine that Ian Gordon pays Ben Kensell hundreds of thousands of pounds a year to run the club, then doesn’t let him make any decisions?


Are we talking literally any decisions, like BK having to ask IG if he can buy more hand soap for the staff toilets? Or is there a line somewhere that BK can make decisions below but not above?

[SeanWilson]

Not saying you’re wrong - just that the “employing some people…” part is a skill in itself.

Ron had the credentials to suggest he knew a thing or two about getting that right. And more than that, if he’d got it wrong, he’d know for sure that he needed to fail fast and rectify.

The “Gordon’s” we have have no such experience or track record, therefore we find ourselves in a bit of a pickle.

And at the end of the day it’s their ba’ and they get to choose who plays.

Totally.

However; I’m not sure I’m ready for complete and utter turmoil of the club being put up for sale.

I spent 15 years recruiting finance directors…… I know nothing about accountancy. It can’t be that hard to identify actual football folk.

[LewysGot2]

Exactly.

The guy is literally the Chief Executive Officer of the club. He runs it.

I'm in no doubt he has improved the financial side of things but on every other level things are worse than 2016.

Recruitment and football vision all over the shop. All with buying to sell model at the heart of everything. Never buying to keep or grow the football side. No emphasis on the clubs identity. Dempster gave us our club back first and foremost and a period of decent football, a squad with a bit of quality thanks to actually having a plan around recruitment and attention to due diligence about the character (generally) re who you sign.

The saddest thing for me this week is, regardless of where folk stand on the relative abilities and merits of Stevenson and Hanlon, they absolutely love our club. Who on the park today genuinely cares more about Hibs than themselves? Campbell? Maybe a couple of others.

I don't follow Hibs for the hospitality- nice as it is - or the club shop refurbishment or the like. It's my team, my community and I want a team where the players respect it and try a leg. It would be good if they could play a bit and have a bit of character.
Leeann understood a lot more about that than B7s pal.

[One Day Soon]

Do you seriously believe Brian McDermott is scouting players, getting feedback and getting a feeling for their suitability of a singing and then IG declines it on a footballing basis? Like you genuinely believe that is happening?

If you d, as you have hinted towards, then any further debate is pointless.


I believe that IG was certainly actively involved in who we did and didn't sign prior to the DoF appointment. That ended so crushingly badly - as did our performances - that the DoF was mooted (in a hurry and without much prep) by Kensell. I'd imagine that IG has less of a role there now but no doubt as owner and a hands-on member of staff he will still have input.

There are only two figures who really matter at the club and neither knows anything materially valuable about football. All else flows from that. The interview here at the point of Montgomery's appointment features Kensell and Gordon, their contributions in it are worth a listen and not for good reasons: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11792/12954860/nick-montgomery-named-hibernian-head-coach-on-three-year-deal

[we are hibs]

I believe that IG was certainly actively involved in who we did and didn't sign prior to the DoF appointment. That ended so crushingly badly - as did our performances - that the DoF was mooted (in a hurry and without much prep) by Kensell. I'd imagine that IG has less of a role there now but no doubt as owner and a hands-on member of staff he will still have input.

There are only two figures who really matter at the club and neither knows anything materially valuable about football. All else flows from that. The interview here at the point of Montgomery's appointment features Kensell and Gordon, their contributions in it are worth a listen and not for good reasons: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11792/12954860/nick-montgomery-named-hibernian-head-coach-on-three-year-deal

Didn't McDermott say Ian Gordon scouted and "found" Vente? That was only last summer when McDermott was already in position as DOF.

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[One Day Soon]

Do you seriously imagine that Ian Gordon pays Ben Kensell hundreds of thousands of pounds a year to run the club, then doesn’t let him make any decisions?


Are we talking literally any decisions, like BK having to ask IG if he can buy more hand soap for the staff toilets? Or is there a line somewhere that BK can make decisions below but not above?


Do you seriously believe that Ian Gordon isn't involved in all major decisions made by Kensell? Did you think the same thing about Ron Gordon too?

The website explicitly states that Kensell is teaching Gordon what he needs to know about running a football club. How do you imagine that happens? It's certainly not by running classes with textbooks on a school timetable basis.

[Since90+2]

I believe that IG was certainly actively involved in who we did and didn't sign prior to the DoF appointment. That ended so crushingly badly - as did our performances - that the DoF was mooted (in a hurry and without much prep) by Kensell. I'd imagine that IG has less of a role there now but no doubt as owner and a hands-on member of staff he will still have input.

There are only two figures who really matter at the club and neither knows anything materially valuable about football. All else flows from that. The interview here at the point of Montgomery's appointment features Kensell and Gordon, their contributions in it are worth a listen and not for good reasons: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11792/12954860/nick-montgomery-named-hibernian-head-coach-on-three-year-deal

So IG, in your view, was actively involved in who we sign and has since corrected that by appointing an experienced DOF to oversee it, yet he is still being critized for it?

Surely if the previous structure, put in place by Ron and not him, wasn't working and he took steps to correct that it should be seen as a positive rather than a negative?

You are tying yourself in knots here.

[One Day Soon]

Didn't McDermott say Ian Gordon scouted and "found" Vente? That was only last summer when McDermott was already in position as DOF.

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Well he attended talent identification courses at the English Football Association so of course the guy who has never played professional football in his life and never run a football club or even any part of a football club can make signings. Can't imagine why that wouldn't work swimmingly. I mean, Kensell would have told the owner's son not to be doing that otherwise. He just owns the club after all.

[Since452]

You just need to look at today's crowd and scoreline to see what we've become under these three.

[hibsbollah]

You just need to look at today's crowd and scoreline to see what we've become under these three.

I thought the crowd was admirable considering the situation. Also got behind the team and didn't get as toxic as i thought it might have, first half at least.

[Alfred E Newman]

Malcolm mcpherson is he the one that sacked Sauzee ?

Why the **** is he back on board ?

Clubs is a joke

To be fair he got that one right. The mistake was appointing the guy in the first place.

[One Day Soon]

So IG, in your view, was actively involved in who we sign and has since corrected that by appointing an experienced DOF to oversee it, yet he is still being critized for it?

Surely if the previous structure, put in place by Ron and not him, wasn't working and he took steps to correct that it should be seen as a positive rather than a negative?

You are tying yourself in knots here.

I've never believed that the DoF appointment was anything other than a last minute smokescreen to get Kensell and others out of the firing line after we lost calamitously to Hearts twice in quick succession. His appointment and that role was so important to the club that he's now apparently to be moved on. They don't know what they're doing.

If 'we are hibs' is right about Gordon's role in the Vente signing then there's evidence of a significant fly in your ointment.

In any event, structure it however they like there are only two people who matter and neither understands football. If you don't think that's the root of all the problems that follow then I can't help you.

[McD]

Do you seriously believe that Ian Gordon isn't involved in all major decisions made by Kensell? Did you think the same thing about Ron Gordon too?

The website explicitly states that Kensell is teaching Gordon what he needs to know about running a football club. How do you imagine that happens? It's certainly not by running classes with textbooks on a school timetable basis.



Now it’s major decisions you’re referencing…


According to you, IG is being taught by BK how to run a club, and also that IG is telling BK what to do in the running of that club? I don’t think those things are compatible.


Do you seriously think someone of Brian McDermott’s standing in the game is going to allow his professional input to be consistently overridden, and remain with that organisation? Or do you seriously think that IG and BK carried out an extensive search, approached and secured the services of BMcD, pay him a significant sum of money, just to turn round and say ‘nah, we don’t think you’re right there Brian, we’ve actually found another guy, in between making joint brain decisions about the club, so we’re going to sign him instead’?


You’re creating some kind of conspiracy theory here, when the reality is, we’ve just not been consistently good collectively for too long.

[RIP]

The football operation at Hibs is broken.

The owner and CEO admitted things weren't working over a year ago.

They ordered a comprehensive review of the entire football operation. Their answer was to recruit a Director of Football. The Director of Football sacked Lee Johnson and recruited Nick Montgomery. He also took charge of player recruitment.

In what parallel universe to we have fans calling for heads to roll and omit the very man paid by the club to get the job right?

Is he a hypnotist or have fans lost track of the outcome of the 2022/2023 review?

And why on earth should we place our trust in yet another review when it's so obvious that last season's review has failed so spectacularly?

[we are hibs]

I've never believed that the DoF appointment was anything other than a last minute smokescreen to get Kensell and others out of the firing line after we lost calamitously to Hearts twice in quick succession. His appointment and that role was so important to the club that he's now apparently to be moved on. They don't know what they're doing.

If 'we are hibs' is right about Gordon's role in the Vente signing then there's evidence of a significant fly in your ointment.

In any event, structure it however they like there are only two people who matter and neither understands football. If you don't think that's the root of all the problems that follow then I can't help you.https://youtu.be/83PLX-GxAOg?si=Dvvx5lFTC-e7gBt7


8:30 here McDermott mentions twice that Ian Gordon had watched Vente for over a year and "really wanted him at Hibs"

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[Scotty Leither]

Not saying you’re wrong - just that the “employing some people…” part is a skill in itself.

Ron had the credentials to suggest he knew a thing or two about getting that right. And more than that, if he’d got it wrong, he’d know for sure that he needed to fail fast and rectify.

The “Gordon’s” we have have no such experience or track record, therefore we find ourselves in a bit of a pickle.

And at the end of the day it’s their ba’ and they get to choose who plays.

What I find utterly astonishing about Ian Gordon, is that he sits at AGMs, and other public meetings, and gatherings at Easter Road, and has thus far not uttered ONE SOLITARY WORD about the club he owns.

Instead, it’s left to the uninspiring Malcolm MacPherson to chair “discussions ”which never go beyond the most anodyne topics, and any questions about player recruitment are off limits, just in case the Easter Road Politburo get asked anything remotely uncomfortable.

The whole place stinks and another woeful manager is being left to take all the flak.

[TrinityHFC]

What I find utterly astonishing about Ian Gordon, is that he sits at AGMs, and other public meetings, and gatherings at Easter Road, and has thus far not uttered ONE SOLITARY WORD about the club he owns.

Instead, it’s left to the uninspiring Malcolm MacPherson to chair “discussions ”which never go beyond the most anodyne topics, and any questions about player recruitment are off limits, just in case the Easter Road Politburo get asked anything remotely uncomfortable.

The whole place stinks and another woeful manager is being left to take all the flak.

At the recent AGM shareholders could have asked anything they wanted. The whole Board and the football staff were all there. Most questions were about Rangers fans. Not sure anyone asked a question about recruitment or coaching.

[Since90+2]

Now it’s major decisions you’re referencing…


According to you, IG is being taught by BK how to run a club, and also that IG is telling BK what to do in the running of that club? I don’t think those things are compatible.


Do you seriously think someone of Brian McDermott’s standing in the game is going to allow his professional input to be consistently overridden, and remain with that organisation? Or do you seriously think that IG and BK carried out an extensive search, approached and secured the services of BMcD, pay him a significant sum of money, just to turn round and say ‘nah, we don’t think you’re right there Brian, we’ve actually found another guy, in between making joint brain decisions about the club, so we’re going to sign him instead’?


You’re creating some kind of conspiracy theory here, when the reality is, we’ve just not been consistently good collectively for too long.

Your point about IG ditacting to the fake CEO but also the fake CEO leading IG is spot on.

As I said previously, the guy is tying himself up in knots with contradictory statements all over the place.

[One Day Soon]

Now it’s major decisions you’re referencing…


According to you, IG is being taught by BK how to run a club, and also that IG is telling BK what to do in the running of that club? I don’t think those things are compatible.


Do you seriously think someone of Brian McDermott’s standing in the game is going to allow his professional input to be consistently overridden, and remain with that organisation? Or do you seriously think that IG and BK carried out an extensive search, approached and secured the services of BMcD, pay him a significant sum of money, just to turn round and say ‘nah, we don’t think you’re right there Brian, we’ve actually found another guy, in between making joint brain decisions about the club, so we’re going to sign him instead’?


You’re creating some kind of conspiracy theory here, when the reality is, we’ve just not been consistently good collectively for too long.


Not according to me, according to the club website. I think they are perfectly compatible. The purpose of Kensell teaching Gordon how to run a football club isn't so that Gordon, as owner, shuts the **** up and has no opinions. It is so that he is able to action his opinions and take (or be involved in) decisions, otherwise what's the point? This isn't a CEO and multiply diluted share ownership stock exchange company situation. This is a CEO and son of majority shareholder small company situation. The notion that the CEO isn't in any way influenced by the one person who actually owns the club is...quaint.

McDermott. You mean the guy they appointed a year ago and who is now apparently already about to be moved on? That McDermott? The one who can be blamed for everything as a nice fire break and who was nowhere to be seen at the appointment of Montgomery when Kensell and Gordon flanked him at the press conference talking authoritatively about what they'd just done?

There's no conspiracy here, there's just a bad structure and too little football knowledge in the leadership.

[One Day Soon]

Your point about IG ditacting to the fake CEO but also the fake CEO leading IG is spot on.

As I said previously, the guy is tying himself up in knots with contradictory statements all over the place.

Hmmm, 'we are hibs' post above showing Gordon's involvement in the Vente signing AFTER the DoF appointment is a bit knotty for you I'd suggest.

[Joe6-2]

9th is an absolute embarrassment

It definitely is, and a slippery slope to relegation in the future

[Smartie]

What I find utterly astonishing about Ian Gordon, is that he sits at AGMs, and other public meetings, and gatherings at Easter Road, and has thus far not uttered ONE SOLITARY WORD about the club he owns.

Instead, it’s left to the uninspiring Malcolm MacPherson to chair “discussions ”which never go beyond the most anodyne topics, and any questions about player recruitment are off limits, just in case the Easter Road Politburo get asked anything remotely uncomfortable.

The whole place stinks and another woeful manager is being left to take all the flak.

I find Gordon’s silence infuriating and bewildering.

To be fair to him - his dad threw him under the bus when he arrived. It was a PR disaster that meant he got off on the wrong foot with the support so he could be forgiven for being a bit guarded.

I just don’t think he grasps what is required of “the Gordons” - and whether he likes it or not, he’s the one that needs to be the public face.

He needs to find his voice.

[McD]

Not according to me, according to the club website. I think they are perfectly compatible. The purpose of Kensell teaching Gordon how to run a football club isn't so that Gordon, as owner, shuts the **** up and has no opinions. It is so that he is able to action his opinions and take (or be involved in) decisions, otherwise what's the point? This isn't a CEO and multiply diluted share ownership stock exchange company situation. This is a CEO and son of majority shareholder small company situation. The notion that the CEO isn't in any way influenced by the one person who actually owns the club is...quaint.

McDermott. You mean the guy they appointed a year ago and who is now apparently already about to be moved on? That McDermott? The one who can be blamed for everything as a nice fire break and who was nowhere to be seen at the appointment of Montgomery when Kensell and Gordon flanked him at the press conference talking authoritatively about what they'd just done?

There's no conspiracy here, there's just a bad structure and too little football knowledge in the leadership.


The ‘according to you’ point was about both parts, not just one.

I’ve not said that the owner hasn’t influenced the CEO’s decisions, you’re again shifting your argument when getting called out (just like the decisions/major decisions adjustment). You’ve said that IG is making all the decisions, and that the CEO isn’t really a CEO. Now you’re saying he influences the CEO’s decisions. Your argument isn’t the same 2 posts running.

Yes that McDermott, the one you seem to think doesn’t have an issue with the owner or CEO overruling and doing their own thing. Do you think he would leave his family down south just to be treated like that? Do you think the owner and CEO would be happy to pay him a significant wage to just ignore what he says? Aye ok, that makes sense right enough :rolleyes:

[One Day Soon]

It is mind blowing that Montgomery appears to still be in post and neither Kensell nor Gordon have had anything to say.

I think it is legitimate to say that the club is now in crisis and some tangible, firm, leadership is required. Instead they are communicating drift and complacency by saying, and appearing to do, nothing.

[Hibiza]

Need a strong person at the top, , a proven quality manager and a playing quality Captain.

[TrinityHFC]

It is mind blowing that Montgomery appears to still be in post and neither Kensell nor Gordon have had anything to say.

I think it is legitimate to say that the club is now in crisis and some tangible, firm, leadership is required. Instead they are communicating drift and complacency by saying, and appearing to do, nothing.

Not sure we need another statement. We had one 3 games ago. He will be gone as part of the review I would guess so no need to comment after yesterday.

[Trinity Hibee]

Not sure we need another statement. We had one 3 games ago. He will be gone as part of the review I would guess so no need to comment after yesterday.

Correct. Don’t need statements. We didn’t need the one a couple of weeks ago. Lip service and most of us are only interested in actions from now.

[JimBHibees]

Malcolm mcpherson is he the one that sacked Sauzee ?

Why the **** is he back on board ?

Clubs is a joke

Because it was likely the correct decision

[JimBHibees]

It is mind blowing that Montgomery appears to still be in post and neither Kensell nor Gordon have had anything to say.

I think it is legitimate to say that the club is now in crisis and some tangible, firm, leadership is required. Instead they are communicating drift and complacency by saying, and appearing to do, nothing.

I agree they should come out with a strong statement saying Monty stays for the whole of the next season 😄

[joe breezy]

I was gutted when Sauzee got sacked - we will
never know if that was the best decision - we were close to relegation at the time but he didnae get much time at all as far as I can remember


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[cabbageandribs1875]

I find Gordon’s silence infuriating and bewildering.

To be fair to him - his dad threw him under the bus when he arrived. It was a PR disaster that meant he got off on the wrong foot with the support so he could be forgiven for being a bit guarded.

I just don’t think he grasps what is required of “the Gordons” - and whether he likes it or not, he’s the one that needs to be the public face.

He needs to find his voice.


his Brother is the one that's the good speaker, but i do understand there's nothing wrong with being a more private guy that feels uncomfortable speaking in public

[WhileTheChief..]

Mind when folk told us it was Hibs.net myth that Ian Gordon headed up the recruitment dept!!

Ridiculous that a guy that had never heard of Hibs is in charge of who we sign as soon as his dad bought us.

Mental.

[Onion]

It is mind blowing that Montgomery appears to still be in post and neither Kensell nor Gordon have had anything to say.

I think it is legitimate to say that the club is now in crisis and some tangible, firm, leadership is required. Instead they are communicating drift and complacency by saying, and appearing to do, nothing.

Press coverage appears to be favouring Monty staying on, which may be Hibs briefing in the background. If it was always Hibs preference for Monty to be given more time, he could not have made it more difficult for them. Am not sure Monty can redeem himself with the supporters, which ultimately will force the Board to sack him - irrespective of their wishes. What a mess.

[One Day Soon]

Correct. Don’t need statements. We didn’t need the one a couple of weeks ago. Lip service and most of us are only interested in actions from now.

Why are you replying to yourself? When you say "most of us are only interested in actions from now" are you referring to both of yourselves?

Looking at your username I'm wondering when the third voice will be heard...

[jacomo]

Do you seriously imagine that Ian Gordon pays Ben Kensell hundreds of thousands of pounds a year to run the club, then doesn’t let him make any decisions?


Are we talking literally any decisions, like BK having to ask IG if he can buy more hand soap for the staff toilets? Or is there a line somewhere that BK can make decisions below but not above?


Yes of course. The CEO has delegated responsibility from the board.

[jacomo]

It is mind blowing that Montgomery appears to still be in post and neither Kensell nor Gordon have had anything to say.

I think it is legitimate to say that the club is now in crisis and some tangible, firm, leadership is required. Instead they are communicating drift and complacency by saying, and appearing to do, nothing.


Seems like the black knights are effectively in charge now.

[One Day Soon]

Mind when folk told us it was Hibs.net myth that Ian Gordon headed up the recruitment dept!!

Ridiculous that a guy that had never heard of Hibs is in charge of who we sign as soon as his dad bought us.

Mental.

But he's got certificates and that...

[Stuart93]

A full day of inactivity from the cowards at the club

[One Day Soon]

Seems like the black knights are effectively in charge now.

Unless they're not. We don't have a ****ing clue what's going on. Which by a strange twist of fate puts us in exactly the condition as the people ostensibly running the club.

[One Day Soon]

A full day of inactivity from the cowards at the club

You say that but someone earning £300,000 a year for working what will be - after weekends, holidays and public holidays - about 226 days a year, will have earned about £1,327 for just today. Pre-tax of course.

That's a pretty good return, for someone.

[NAE NOOKIE]

In the end it doesn't matter if the folk at the top of the club know nothing about football or have worked in it all their lives and have been huge successes at other clubs.

In the last 3 seasons we have probably spent more money than at any time in our history and have finished 8th, 5th and this season the best we can do is 7th, lose on Wednesday and that could be 9th.

Unacceptable in anyone's book ..... The only way to sort this is to get the Gordons as far away from anything to do with on field matters as possible and that includes hiring directors of football, CEO's and managers.

First: ... Offer McInnes whatever he wants to leave Kilmarnock, including total control over recruitment, style of play, whatever. How can he possibly do a worse job than the last few managers and it will be a massive departure from a list of managers who don't know the league.

Secondly: Shift absolutely everyone we can out, be that coaching staff or players. We need at least 8 new players and that's being conservative.

[Stuart93]

You say that but someone earning £300,000 a year for working what will be - after weekends, holidays and public holidays - about 226 days a year, will have earned about £1,327 for just today. Pre-tax of course.

That's a pretty good return, for someone.

Yes it will be. Coward

[Smartie]

his Brother is the one that's the good speaker, but i do understand there's nothing wrong with being a more private guy that feels uncomfortable speaking in public

All of which is fine… but is it really compatible with owning a 21st century football club?

Public speaking, media skills… can be taught and learned, but you have to think it’s important and then bother your arse.

Even a heavily stage managed, heavily edited recorded session or two where he’s made comfortable and relaxed before plucking the best bits to paint him in the best possible light.

I just feel we need something from him to stop mischief filling the void.

Maybe he’s pleasant? Maybe he’s intelligent? Maybe he’s competent? Maybe we just need a bit of reassurance to weather the rough spell before sustained success follows?

I know all about shyness and I know all about it holding you back.

But I think he needs to do himself a few favours here and realise the responsibility he has and stop hiding.

[flash]

Literally everything flows from Kensell and Gordon. All the consequential appointments are made or approved by them. If they don't know what they are doing in terms of either structures or personnel we will continuously - as we have to date - serially make poor appointments on the footballing side.


Yes it will be. Coward

You are throwing the word "coward" around a lot.

Is there something you are aware of that isn't in the public domain?

[Is It On....]

The thread has the names in the wrong order with one additional culprit; it should read

Gordon, Kensall, McDermott, Montgomery...

[Stuart93]

You are throwing the word "coward" around a lot.

Is there something you are aware of that isn't in the public domain?

Nothing apart from the fact that there’s no-one at the club in the public domain just now apart from players who’ve downed tools and a useless manager.

Kensell should be facing up to disappointed fans, Ian Gordon should be coming out to say something.

They’ve gave us as much as a statement such the season turned to ****. ****ing cowards.

[pollution]

I really am surprised that we have heard nothing from the club today.

There must be some major work behind the scenes looking for a new manager because there is no way Monty will be here next season.

My question is who exactly is doing the recruiting. We no longer have an experienced ex CEO of English top flight clubs to rely on.

[flash]

Nothing apart from the fact that there’s no-one at the club in the public domain just now apart from players who’ve downed tools and a useless manager.

Kensell should be facing up to disappointed fans, Ian Gordon should be coming out to say something.

They’ve gave us as much as a statement such the season turned to ****. ****ing cowards.

Ian Gordon is almost certainly still dealing with the loss of his dad and adapting to his new role at the club.

He might not be getting everything right just now but not sure cowardice comes into it.

[Is It On....]

Montgomery is only still in a job to soak up the flak now. He's miles off it and should go but he didn't appoint himself.

Kensell came in when we were coming off a 3rd place finish. We have regressed massively since with a series of bizarre managerial appointments and an almost unbelievable expenditure and turnover of players. Add a Director of Football appointed who was surprised to hear asked and barely seemed bothered one way or another.

A fish rots from the head down. Those at the top are failing the managers they appoint and, in the case or Montgomery, using him as a human shield.

Ron Gordon and Kensall sacked the Head of Recruitment (Mathie) and the manager (Ross) the ones that got us into 3rd. After an extensive global search (Hmmm) his son was installed as Head of Recruitment [only a figurehead as some would have you believe] and we have since had Maloney (Ron Gordon admitted that was an error), Lee Johnson and now, with McDermott as nominal Director of Football, Montgomery.

We might also like to reflect on Kensall's role in not progressing our supposeded link with Brighton and their rather successful recruitment department, presumably because we know better.

[Smartie]

Ian Gordon is almost certainly still dealing with the loss of his dad and adapting to his new role at the club.

He might not be getting everything right just now but not sure cowardice comes into it.

That’s why I try to temper my criticism of him.

It’s a god awful situation for him and I genuinely feel heart sorry for him. It must be horrendous, unimaginably awful for him to be in this situation.

Unfortunately though, this is the situation in which he finds himself and humans have to find a way to get through adversity.

I dislike cowardice chat. I just hope he’s got the right people around him, I often wonder if he does.

[GreenPJ]

All need to go. The Gordons are our Glaziers. £32 for a bottom-six game is a joke. Lucky if 2000 fans are left in the ground to boo the imposters.

Whatever the shortfalls (and there are many) it's wholly unfair to compare the Gordon's to the Glazers. The Glazers knew exactly what they were doing with Man Utd as a tool to make significant income from and as a vehicle to move their debt to. The Gordon's have invested their money into the club to try and make it better but the key thing that was missed was the product on the park had to be the primary area of improvement. I think the Gordon's did the right thing in bringing in a CEO who has ultimately overseen the appointment of managers and director of football which have not delivered. This is where for me the Gordon's do need to make a stand and thank Kensall for his efforts but move him on now before doing anything else.

[ancient hibee]

Ian Gordon is almost certainly still dealing with the loss of his dad and adapting to his new role at the club.

He might not be getting everything right just now but not sure cowardice comes into it.
Not sure why Ian Gordon is called the owner. It’s possible his mother owns most of the Gordon’s company’s shares.

[CropleyWasGod]

Not sure why Ian Gordon is called the owner. It’s possible his mother owns most of the Gordon’s company’s shares.

His brother may also be a shareholder in Bydand.

I'm with you, though. He's not "the owner".

[Stuart93]

Ian Gordon is almost certainly still dealing with the loss of his dad and adapting to his new role at the club.

He might not be getting everything right just now but not sure cowardice comes into it.

There’s no doubt about that and on a human level i feel incredibly sorry for him. I can’t imagine the pain he’s went through.

But, as absolutely crass as this will sound, he unfortunately finds himself as the owner of our club now, so he needs to step up to the mark or hand us on to someone who’s capable. As I said crass but unfortunately the clubs sleep walking towards another relegation

[ChuckNor]

Mongomery is clueless and spectacularly out of his depth.

The club is owned by the Gordons and their representative on earth as far as Hibernian is concerned is Ian Gordon. He knows literally nothing about football.

Ben Kensell is the vastly overpaid Chief Executive. He knows nothing about football.

We can sack Montgomery (likely).

We can sack Kensell (unlikely).

We cannot sack Ian Gordon. He effectively owns the club.

This is verbatim what is says on the club website:

"Like Ron, Ian has a burning passion for football, and studied talent identification courses at the English Football Association, alongside courses at the Johan Cruyff Institute and the Sports Business Institute Barcelona.

He worked as Hibs' Head of Recruitment and is now learning off the Club’s CEO to understand the difference facets involved in running a Football Club."

This is terrifying. A guy who inherited a toy from daddy does not know how to operate the toy and is currently being tutored on operating the toy by someone else who also does not know how to operate the toy.

Unless the Black Knights produce something unimaginable we are in very, very deep trouble.

Look, I know everyone is annoyed about the season but that’s a few times I’ve seen Montgomery called “Mongomerry”. It’s totally not Hibs class and really offensive.

Give it a rest lads, we are much better than that.

[Salisbury Hibby]

Look, I know everyone is annoyed about the season but that’s a few times I’ve seen Montgomery called “Mongomerry”. It’s totally not Hibs class and really offensive.

Give it a rest lads, we are much better than that.

I completely agree. It makes me really angry to hear this term used at all.

[overdrive]

His brother may also be a shareholder in Bydand.

I'm with you, though. He's not "the owner".

Kit Gordon owns 100% of Bydand* (or at least she did as at the last accounts). See note 24 of Hibs last accounts.

Edit:
* more specifically she’s owns 100% of Bydand Enterprises which is the parent of Bydand Sports which is their vehicle for their shares in Hibs. But BE owns 100% of BS (apt abbreviation) so effectively she has 100% control of Bydand Sports

[CropleyWasGod]

Kit Gordon owns 100% of Bydand (or at least she did as at the last accounts). See note 24 of Hibs last accounts.

Cheers. :agree:

So Kit is/was "the owner". Except that she's not, but "as at last June, the beneficial owner of a company that now owns 60% of Hibs" doesn't have the same ring to it.

Easier just to blame a man :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

Look, I know everyone is annoyed about the season but that’s a few times I’ve seen Montgomery called “Mongomerry”. It’s totally not Hibs class and really offensive.

Give it a rest lads, we are much better than that.

Yes poor as

[Smartie]

His brother may also be a shareholder in Bydand.

I'm with you, though. He's not "the owner".

Since Ron's passing we've sort of accepted that our owners have gone from being "Ron" to "The Gordons".

Are the finer details re shareholdings not just splitting hairs a bit?

Does Ian not carry the can a bit more as someone who has relocated to Edinburgh and appears to have the most hands on involvement in the running of the club, even if that isn't totally reflected in the nuts and bolts of the ownership?

(Apologies if this lack of attention to detail induces a heart attack in a man of fine professional standing such as yourself). :wink:

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Look, I know everyone is annoyed about the season but that’s a few times I’ve seen Montgomery called “Mongomerry”. It’s totally not Hibs class and really offensive.

Give it a rest lads, we are much better than that.

It's surely just a typing error/fat fingers on a phone. 🤔

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's surely just a typing error/fat fingers on a phone. 🤔

The fact the poster has also referred to him as Montgomery later in his post would make me think this is the case.

[One Day Soon]

Look, I know everyone is annoyed about the season but that’s a few times I’ve seen Montgomery called “Mongomerry”. It’s totally not Hibs class and really offensive.

Give it a rest lads, we are much better than that.

I appreciate your concern and not to burst your bubble but I’m afraid what you have found there in my post is simply a typo. I wasn’t even aware of either the typo or others using the term deliberately until I read your post. Frankly there are many serious criticisms to make of NM which are only obscured by that kind of abuse rather than put under the spotlight.

[One Day Soon]

I completely agree. It makes me really angry to hear this term used at all.

Unangry yourself, it’s a typo.

[One Day Soon]

Yes poor as

Yes it would have been, except it wasn’t.

[One Day Soon]

Since Ron's passing we've sort of accepted that our owners have gone from being "Ron" to "The Gordons".

Are the finer details re shareholdings not just splitting hairs a bit?

Does Ian not carry the can a bit more as someone who has relocated to Edinburgh and appears to have the most hands on involvement in the running of the club, even if that isn't totally reflected in the nuts and bolts of the ownership?

(Apologies if this lack of attention to detail induces a heart attack in a man of fine professional standing such as yourself). :wink:

Precisely.

[One Day Soon]

The fact the poster has also referred to him as Montgomery later in his post would make me think this is the case.

You’d be correct.

[Salisbury Hibby]

Unangry yourself, it’s a typo.

I'll accept that it's a typo. I still don't like the term used, and I do see/hear it being used.

[joe breezy]

***** Merry LOL


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[CropleyWasGod]

Since Ron's passing we've sort of accepted that our owners have gone from being "Ron" to "The Gordons".

Are the finer details re shareholdings not just splitting hairs a bit?

Does Ian not carry the can a bit more as someone who has relocated to Edinburgh and appears to have the most hands on involvement in the running of the club, even if that isn't totally reflected in the nuts and bolts of the ownership?

(Apologies if this lack of attention to detail induces a heart attack in a man of fine professional standing such as yourself). :wink:

In terms of the debate about the management of the club, of course you're correct. In my defence, though, I was responding to a poster who brought up the "owner" question.

As far as we know, I'm more of an owner than Ian Gordon :greengrin

[Daydreamer]

How does that clown McDermott never be mentioned as much as the rest of the failures. He must go.