Hibernian apathy: Thinking out loud

[One Day Soon]

I've spent around forty years of season ticket time and money going to watch Hibs. I could honestly see that coming to an end in the next year or two if the current situation continues. That would have been unthinkable for me previously. I've renewed the season tickets for myself and my son for next year with absolutely zero enthusiasm and none of the blind hope/faith of previous years.

I acknowledge that this could be as much to do with my own age and stage as anything else - I'm 60 this year. Like many people I'm ultimately not really cash poor, but I do feel time poor. Volunteering to go and watch something which feels so gutless, brutal to watch, soulless, leaderless and disconnected from the support as Hibernian seems like it has become in the last couple of years has honestly been a penance rather than enjoyable.

I never felt like this even under Miller, Williamson etc when things were pretty crap. It just feels to me like something has changed and something is missing. The best way I can describe it is that to me we seem less like a rooted football club and more like a directionless corporate entity.

It's a horrible feeling. Maybe it's just me.

[Alex Trager]

I feel similar at the minute.

I have not renewed for next season and as it stands I won’t.

I can find much better things to do with myself.

I am waiting on something to inspire me to sign up.

I am less bothered about the fact that we are no longer a family club/now have lots of hospitality etc. that doesn’t bother me.

What bothers me is the football team. The decisions I see being made do not suggest that it will get better. Hopefully I am wrong.

I flutter between apathy and anger every day. Probably more angry than apathetic. Generally I feel optimistic about Hibs but right now I don’t.

I know a few signings could change that. So hopefully we see that happen and I sign up and we win the treble.

[One Day Soon]

I feel similar at the minute.

I have not renewed for next season and as it stands I won’t.

I can find much better things to do with myself.

I am waiting on something to inspire me to sign up.

I am less bothered about the fact that we are no longer a family club/now have lots of hospitality etc. that doesn’t bother me.

What bothers me is the football team. The decisions I see being made do not suggest that it will get better. Hopefully I am wrong.

I flutter between apathy and anger every day. Probably more angry than apathetic. Generally I feel optimistic about Hibs but right now I don’t.

I know a few signings could change that. So hopefully we see that happen and I sign up and we win the treble.


That doesn't bother me, in fact I think that's one of the very few bright spots. I suppose what meant is that we appear to operate now more like a corporate entity that does some football rather than a football club that looks to maximise revenue.

[WeeRussell]

It’s more football in general, than Hibs, to blame for me.

By football I mean the top-league, VAR-infested, modern-day version of the game.

It’s not been an enjoyable season as a hibs fan. But I’ve had plenty of them. It’s not our club that’s given my enthusiasm for the game a slow puncture.

[Since452]

Uninspiring football, uninspiring manager, uninspiring owner, uninspiring CEO, hardly a peep from Foley. Just becoming tiresome and leading to apathy and disconnect. There's nothing about us just now.

[One Day Soon]

It’s more football in general, than Hibs, to blame for me.

By football I mean the top-league, VAR-infested, modern-day version of the game.

It’s not been an enjoyable season as a hibs fan. But I’ve had plenty of them. It’s not our club that’s given my enthusiasm for the game a slow puncture.


You're right Russell, VAR hasn't helped either. Slow puncture is a great way to put it.

[easty]

I’m 100% sure Monty needs to go, but I don’t feel any worse about Hibs or more pessimistic about Hibs than I have at other times.

I was much more apathetic when Maloney was manager, or when Butcher butchered us.

I see us now and think we’ve got some really good players for this level of football, and that a better manager would’ve had us comfortably up the table. Even Monty probably could’ve had us comfortably top 6 if he had sorted the centre of defence out in January.

Maolida, Marcondes, Youan, Boyle, Vente, Newell, NMW, Cadden and Obita. All good players at this level. All players that teams outwith Rangers and Celtc would happily have. They’re not all having good seasons, but that’s on poor management in my opinion.

[The Modfather]

It’s more football in general, than Hibs, to blame for me.

By football I mean the top-league, VAR-infested, modern-day version of the game.

It’s not been an enjoyable season as a hibs fan. But I’ve had plenty of them. It’s not our club that’s given my enthusiasm for the game a slow puncture.

Agree with this. Look at our last successful season, 3rd under Ross. All manner of stats were put up to show we dominated games and were a good team, my eyes felt differently. Probably because the football I enjoy, high tempo, high energy, pressing doesn’t exist anymore. Klopp being amongst the last of that old school breed. Maybe that kind of football is now simply counter attacking football and only suitable for smaller teams when most teams sit in against us, certainly at home. Probably why I’m so critical of Newell as he is the antithesis of the kind of football I enjoy, without him being a bad player I just want different.

I can watch Man City from time to time because the sheer quality is mesmerising, but couldn’t imagine watching that every week without quickly getting bored

[Bostonhibby]

I've spent around forty years of season ticket time and money going to watch Hibs. I could honestly see that coming to an end in the next year or two if the current situation continues. That would have been unthinkable for me previously. I've renewed the season tickets for myself and my son for next year with absolutely zero enthusiasm and none of the blind hope/faith of previous years.

I acknowledge that this could be as much to do with my own age and stage as anything else - I'm 60 this year. Like many people I'm ultimately not really cash poor, but I do feel time poor. Volunteering to go and watch something which feels so gutless, brutal to watch, soulless, leaderless and disconnected from the support as Hibernian seems like it has become in the last couple of years has honestly been a penance rather than enjoyable.

I never felt like this even under Miller, Williamson etc when things were pretty crap. It just feels to me like something has changed and something is missing. The best way I can describe it is that to me we seem less like a rooted football club and more like a directionless corporate entity.

It's a horrible feeling. Maybe it's just me.

You're not alone, been much the same for a good few months now, put the travel time and cost on top and I can honestly, and sadly say I've been to the fewest games per season I've been to in decades.

Sure it'll change but the disconnection you mention is there and I've never detected it to this extent before, certainly amongst my small group of Hibbies.

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[Billy Whizz]

You're not alone, been much the same for a good few months now, put the travel time and cost on top and I can honestly, and sadly say I've been to the fewest games per season I've been to in decades.

Sure it'll change but the disconnection you mention is there and I've never detected it to this extent before, certainly amongst my small group of Hibbies.

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Apart from the protests in the relegation year

[Since452]

Sunday's (bums on seats) crowd will speak louder than words.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Agree with the OP. I’ve never been less enthused by Hibs.

Gave up my season ticket this season for pretty much the first time in living memory. Started the season off still going to loads of games and that’s completely tailed off. I genuinely have enjoyed my weekends so much more than I had been recently without Hibs being part of them.

Would love to turn round and enjoy going to the games again, but under this manager and this ownership/board I’ve no expectation that’s going to happen.

No season ticket for me next year and to be honest, I can’t see me even being in a rush to pay at the gate at any point either.

[jeffers]

You're not alone, been much the same for a good few months now, put the travel time and cost on top and I can honestly, and sadly say I've been to the fewest games per season I've been to in decades.

Sure it'll change but the disconnection you mention is there and I've never detected it to this extent before, certainly amongst my small group of Hibbies.

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Same with me. Missed quite a few last season. Missed so many this one my season ticket has been a waste of money. Renewed for next, zero appetite for another season under Monty. I’m struggling to remember a game I enjoyed under him. Maybe St Mirren cup game, even then his subs almost screwed that up.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Apart from the protests in the relegation year

I’m not sure that showed a huge disconnect though. That was lots of fans with huge passion for the club venting their anger.

I’m not sure there’s the same feel now as I think folk have just had any sort of enthusiasm zapped out of them. I have a circle of about 15 folk that I used to either go to games with as season ticket holders or do other things with and they were also season ticket holders, most of whom were at said protests. Only 2 of them still have season tickets, all 15 of us would never have even considered not getting one 5 or 6 years ago, now the vast majority of the group wouldn’t even consider buying one.

[Carheenlea]

I’m not as engaged as I once was with football. Less interest in the game with each year, and as an example I honestly couldn’t tell you who is top of the English premier league or who’s in the champions league final.

I can seperate Hibs from that though, and am as passionate as ever for the club. Still get that thrill when catching sight of Easter Road when walking to the ground and still get excited when the teams come out.

It’s perhaps just blind optimism but I’m looking forward to the new season already and hoping we can have a better return than the one just about gone.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Sunday/Wednesday will be interesting.

Likiehood is that most in attendance will be doing so to bid farewell to two great club servants and not for the football on offer.

I've got my season ticket but at this point I'm not even sure what to expect. The league cup games will be interesting although not necessarily and indicator of things to come.

[Bostonhibby]

Apart from the protests in the relegation yearCan see where you are coming from but that protest showed folk cared/were angry and motivated to do something, this time round it just feels to me a bit meh, and that's directly proportionate to how it feels on the pitch as a direct consequence of the off the pitch leadership and decision making.



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[flash]

We have had much worse teams and far worse seasons so I don't think it's as simple as that.

To be fair when we have been much worse the crowds were down at about 5 to 7000 so maybe we are heading back towards that if things don't pick up.

[joe breezy]

Hibs have mostly been rubbish in my lifetime.

Brought up a Partick Thistle fan - they're mostly rubbish too.

Went to Hibs games since 1st Jan 1986 to go with my pals - now lucky if I bump into anyone I know.

But got a season ticket half way through last season so i could take my Dad to games - getting a ST at Thistle - you can't get a comfy seat and it's just not handy for my Dad and I wouldn't see my Mum.
I fly up for the day to go to games go for lunch with my folks then go to the game with my Dad.

So I have a ST to do something with my Dad and keep supporting Hibs.

I feel that the BK investment could work out well - I'm an optimist.
I'm looking forward to next season.

Football is a business with few winners. And i'm comfortable going for the social side as it always has been for me.

[scm70nyd1973]

I've spent around forty years of season ticket time and money going to watch Hibs. I could honestly see that coming to an end in the next year or two if the current situation continues. That would have been unthinkable for me previously. I've renewed the season tickets for myself and my son for next year with absolutely zero enthusiasm and none of the blind hope/faith of previous years.

I acknowledge that this could be as much to do with my own age and stage as anything else - I'm 60 this year. Like many people I'm ultimately not really cash poor, but I do feel time poor. Volunteering to go and watch something which feels so gutless, brutal to watch, soulless, leaderless and disconnected from the support as Hibernian seems like it has become in the last couple of years has honestly been a penance rather than enjoyable.

I never felt like this even under Miller, Williamson etc when things were pretty crap. It just feels to me like something has changed and something is missing. The best way I can describe it is that to me we seem less like a rooted football club and more like a directionless corporate entity.

It's a horrible feeling. Maybe it's just me.

Not just you.

I’m 61 now and all I want to see is decent attacking football with a fair share of derby wins - and an odd trophy- I couldn’t give a hoot about European qualification.

[easty]

Not just you.

I’m 61 now and all I want to see is decent attacking football with a fair share and f derby wins - and an odd trophy- I couldn’t give a hoot about European qualification.

If we don't start getting more European football then likely we'll see less and less derby wins if they continue to keep qualifying.

[B.H.F.C]

Sunday's (bums on seats) crowd will speak louder than words.

Folk not going to a meaningless end of season game won’t say anything really. If we see a big drop in season tickets and first home game next season is empty, that’ll say a lot more.

[wookie70]

I’m not as engaged as I once was with football. Less interest in the game with each year, and as an example I honestly couldn’t tell you who is top of the English premier league or who’s in the champions league final.

I can seperate Hibs from that though, and am as passionate as ever for the club. Still get that thrill when catching sight of Easter Road when walking to the ground and still get excited when the teams come out.

It’s perhaps just blind optimism but I’m looking forward to the new season already and hoping we can have a better return than the one just about gone.

That would sum most of my thoughts up too. Very little interest in football but still as passionate about Hibs. The Community Foundation also gives me so much and perhaps the way that is being run and growing year on year is giving me the pleasure I used to get out of the games. I view us as a football club not a football team and in general we are doing pretty well with that. The big issue is that the performance on the park and entertainment is pretty poor. That has been the case for most of the near 50 years I have watched us though so what's new

[B.H.F.C]

I don’t really feel apathy towards us at the moment. It’s more frustration than anything else. We’ve wasted such a good opportunity over the last 2 or 3 years. We’ve invested in the team more than at any other time and just wasted so much money. Now we’re in a position where everyone is wondering what the hell is going to happen over the next few months, at a time when we should be excited about the additional investment, and I just have no confidence that we’ll make the most of the opportunity that gives us.

[Hiber-nation]

It's the feeling of being let down. Previously expectations were low, e.g. Butcher inherited a mess and made it into a catastrophe. This time we seemed to have the basis of a decent squad then a couple of stand out loanees with fairly high hopes. But it's been pretty miserable. I'll always renew and go to most away games but I really don't have much enthusiasm for it.

I've felt like this about Hibs plenty times but it's this constant feeling that the current regime will continue to squander money on poor players, Black Knights or not. And I find the manager a bit of a dead loss to be honest.

[blackpoolhibs]

No apathy here, frustration though, plenty of that.:grr:

[JimBHibees]

No apathy here, frustration though, plenty of that.:grr:

Same for me.

[He's here!]

I’m not as engaged as I once was with football. Less interest in the game with each year, and as an example I honestly couldn’t tell you who is top of the English premier league or who’s in the champions league final.

I can seperate Hibs from that though, and am as passionate as ever for the club. Still get that thrill when catching sight of Easter Road when walking to the ground and still get excited when the teams come out.

It’s perhaps just blind optimism but I’m looking forward to the new season already and hoping we can have a better return than the one just about gone.

Hibs is about more than football, which is why I still take an interest rather than stopping watching the sport altogether.

For me the fall-off in enthusiasm actually started when it became clear we weren't going to really capitalise on the springboard the Scottish Cup win provided us with. We looked to be ready for take-off under Lennon but since things turned sour under him we've steadily drifted back towards mediocrity and as the OP says we've all but lost our identity as a club.

[BSEJVT]

Frustration is far better than apathy

At least if you are frustrated you are still engaged in the club

My apathy set in under Covid and I would say now I am almost completely disengaged

Maybe my grandsons starting to go will bring me back, but right now I wouldn’t bet on it

[WhileTheChief..]

Y'all still care enough to post on here :cb

It's just been a crap few years with things getting worse instead of better.

But it's easily fixed.

Bring in a proper manager with a bit of character, a real desire to succeed, and some passion. Get us believing in our club again with some decent players and results, and ER will quickly be bouncing again.

The fans are all still here. We're just waiting for something to happen.

Ok, we won't get Lennon, but if we can get someone who makes such an instant impact as he did around ER, we'll be fine.

[Not In The Know]

That doesn't bother me, in fact I think that's one of the very few bright spots. I suppose what meant is that we appear to operate now more like a corporate entity that does some football rather than a football club that looks to maximise revenue.

100%.

We are guff right now and when your neighbours aren’t it makes it twice as bad. But if anyone is miffed with hibs cause we are bringing in more money, go and support your local non league team.

[Pretty Boy]

I'm apathetic about football in general. Hibs and Scotland aside and the odd cup game that gets shown on terrestrial TV I never watch games. I enjoy a lower league and non league game from time to time. That level is still relatively free from the blights of VAR, xG, duels and associated nonsense. Fewer robotic managers desperately trying to ape the fashionable formation and style that the expensively assembled top teams play only with far inferior players and being surprised at the lack of results as well. On the latter point it's all fads and what is being taught as being correct at that moment in time so I daresay it will change soon enough.

I care about Hibs so frustration and anger is more the feeling rather than apathy. We should be better and 'well we have always been pretty pish' doesn't really cut it for me.

[erin go bragh]

Var is slowly killing most peoples enthusiasm for the game.
Last years Euro trips were absolutely fantastic (Luzern,Villa)
Personally don't think NM is the man to lead us to 3rd next season and hopefully the powers that be feel the same. Massive chance with the added investment to get 3rd and some more fantastic Euro nights away.
You got to keep the faith.GGTTH

[Bostonhibby]

Some of my current apathy is fed by the latest big announcement about the club shop refurbishment.

Please just tell me something directly linked to what happens on the big grassy bit with the nets between the sticks at each end.

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[Glory Lurker]

I don't care. I've never been here before.

Hibs have my ST money for next year though, so they won't be bothered. That was a mistake on my part.

Over to you, Hibs. Make me give a monkey's.

[hibbydog]

Some of my current apathy is fed by the latest big announcement about the club shop refurbishment.

Please just tell me something directly linked to what happens on the big grassy bit with the nets between the sticks at each end.

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This is where I am.

Bored with the football, I resent getting constant emails from Hibs trying to make money from me. How can they have the audacity to push the sale of merchandise when the team is so poor?

Totally disconnected.

[BILLYHIBS]

Cannae be arsed going to watch Monty’s Hibs Sunday and Wednesday

Slow tedious fair will probably get gubbed

Are we safe yet ?

Dunno lost interest weeks ago

No surprised Marsh cannae wait to get away playing behind that defence his better days were behind him though

Might go on Wednesday say goodbye to Paul and Lewis

Will probably go on Sunday anaw

Told my Mrs ( a jambo ) that Hanlon and Stevenson were leaving at the end of the season

She laughed and said ‘ Who are you going to get to replace them then ?’

I worry for my club

[Allant1981]

Well I'll go against the grain and say I still love going to see hibs

[jimbob07]

Well I'll go against the grain and say I still love going to see hibs
That’s the spirit. Good laddie!

[Trinity Hibee]

It’s more football in general, than Hibs, to blame for me.

By football I mean the top-league, VAR-infested, modern-day version of the game.

It’s not been an enjoyable season as a hibs fan. But I’ve had plenty of them. It’s not our club that’s given my enthusiasm for the game a slow puncture.

Fully agree with this. VAR has ruined the match day experience for me completely. Not to say our performances aren’t off putting but I’ve seen many poor seasons and still never doubted going back. Sooner we get rid of VAR the better

[JimBHibees]

Well I'll go against the grain and say I still love going to see hibs

So do i and will continue to do so until fall off my mortal coil 😊

[JimBHibees]

Cannae be arsed going to watch Monty’s Hibs Sunday and Wednesday

Slow tedious fair will probably get gubbed

Are we safe yet ?

Dunno lost interest weeks ago

No surprised Marsh cannae wait to get away playing behind that defence his better days were behind him though

Might go on Wednesday say goodbye to Paul and Lewis

Will probably go on Sunday anaw

Told my Mrs ( a jambo ) that Hanlon and Stevenson were leaving at the end of the season

She laughed and said ‘ Who are you going to get to replace them then ?’

I worry for my club

Hopefully replace them with better players

[flash]

Cannae be arsed going to watch Monty’s Hibs Sunday and Wednesday

Slow tedious fair will probably get gubbed

Are we safe yet ?

Dunno lost interest weeks ago

No surprised Marsh cannae wait to get away playing behind that defence his better days were behind him though

Might go on Wednesday say goodbye to Paul and Lewis

Will probably go on Sunday anaw

Told my Mrs ( a jambo ) that Hanlon and Stevenson were leaving at the end of the season

She laughed and said ‘ Who are you going to get to replace them then ?’

I worry for my club

We already have a more then decent replacement at left back.

This place really has jumped the shark recently.

[Jamesie]

It’s more football in general, than Hibs, to blame for me.

By football I mean the top-league, VAR-infested, modern-day version of the game.

It’s not been an enjoyable season as a hibs fan. But I’ve had plenty of them. It’s not our club that’s given my enthusiasm for the game a slow puncture.

This definitely plays a part, in addition to the fact that we’re in a league so weighted towards Glasgow. I’m at the stage where if there was an option for a season ticket that didn’t include Rangers and Celtic, I’d be seriously interested in it.

Hard to believe it’s only eight years since May 2016.

[BILLYHIBS]

We already have a more then decent replacement at left back.

This place really has jumped the shark recently.
His defending is not great and a good few crosses came in from his side latest good player though left sided midfield wing back

[hibsbollah]

His defending is not great and a good few crosses came in from his side latest good player though left sided midfield wing back

I think hes a very good defender who is also an excellent dynamic attacking full back. Also very interesting how well he played as a filling in centre back, shows we have options. As a general point, we seem to have lost the ability just to accept that sometimes all defenders just get beat and sometimes that leads to a goal, and that the measure of a fullbacks success or failure shouldnt be ‘did a goal come from his side’ the previous week. Even Cafu and Lahm got beat sometimes.

Obita is a very good player and we’re lucky to have him.

[Trinity Hibee]

I think hes a very good defender who is also an excellent dynamic attacking full back. Also very interesting how well he played as a filling in centre back, shows we have options. As a general point, we seem to have lost the ability just to accept that sometimes all defenders just get beat and sometimes that leads to a goal, and that the measure of a fullbacks success or failure shouldnt be ‘did a goal come from his side’ the previous week. Even Cafu and Lahm got beat sometimes.

Obita is a very good player and we’re lucky to have him.

This is a symptom of the over analysis in today’s game. Some goals come from brilliance but you’ve still got a pundit telling us a defender or goalkeeper should have done better. As you say even the best players in the world get beat sometimes.

[Forza Fred]

Maybe absence makes the heart grow fonder and all that, but despite this having been a crap season, I’m still looking forward to my 2am or midnight kick offs on Hibs TV every game and renew every year.

Hibs are like a family, …they may not be great but I’d never ever think of abandoning them because they weren’t as good as I had hoped.

[MWHIBBIES]

Cannae be arsed going to watch Monty’s Hibs Sunday and Wednesday

Slow tedious fair will probably get gubbed

Are we safe yet ?

Dunno lost interest weeks ago

No surprised Marsh cannae wait to get away playing behind that defence his better days were behind him though

Might go on Wednesday say goodbye to Paul and Lewis

Will probably go on Sunday anaw

Told my Mrs ( a jambo ) that Hanlon and Stevenson were leaving at the end of the season

She laughed and said ‘ Who are you going to get to replace them then ?’

I worry for my club

Marshall is an absolutely essential part of that bad defense. I cannot wait for him to get away.

[Bobo]

I've had a season ticket for the past 45 years, the last 5 have been purely for the social aspect of match days with meeting family and friends. Though, in the main, the football on offer has been substandard and not enjoyable to watch.

The modern game today is ���� a very poor product with overpaid, talentless playactors who show little to no affinity to their clubs because they're just mercenaries. VAR, inept refereeing and an incompetent governing body has only added to the rapid decline in the standard of Scottish football over the past decade.

Personally I feel there's only been a handful of games, in the last 4 seasons, where I've left Easter Road having enjoyed the game! If it wasn't for the social side of going to the games, I would have stopped attending some time ago.

Hibs as a club have short changed and failed their supporters massively with their substandard on-field displays for far too long now. Big changes are needed to correct the damage that has accumulated over the tenure of several poor managerial appointments.

[B.H.F.C]

I think hes a very good defender who is also an excellent dynamic attacking full back. Also very interesting how well he played as a filling in centre back, shows we have options. As a general point, we seem to have lost the ability just to accept that sometimes all defenders just get beat and sometimes that leads to a goal, and that the measure of a fullbacks success or failure shouldnt be ‘did a goal come from his side’ the previous week. Even Cafu and Lahm got beat sometimes.

Obita is a very good player and we’re lucky to have him.

I quite like Obita but for all he’s seen as being really good going forward, he doesn’t have much to show for it. Two goals, one of them when playing in midfield, and no assists.

He’s definitely not one at the top of the list for emptying but when we’re looking at the likes of him as being one we’re lucky to have, I think it kind of shows where we are.

[RMQ1967]

Lots of very good points of view in this thread.
In general I think people quickly forget what terrible periods and results we've had over the decades.

This one just another pathetic campaign that will be quickly forgotten.

However, the mediocrity is real now & the there are several spectacularly poor aspects for me; getting trounced regularly by the Huns, the defeats to both the saints teams when expectations were at their highest, the loss of all those last minute goals & the terrible VAR decisions.

No doubt I'll look forward to next season with renewed optimism when the new signings arrive although it'll be tempered if Monty is still around.

[GreenCastle]

I've had a season ticket for the past 45 years, the last 5 have been purely for the social aspect of match days with meeting family and friends. Though, in the main, the football on offer has been substandard and not enjoyable to watch.

The modern game today is ���� a very poor product with overpaid, talentless playactors who show little to no affinity to their clubs because they're just mercenaries. VAR, inept refereeing and an incompetent governing body has only added to the rapid decline in the standard of Scottish football over the past decade.

Personally I feel there's only been a handful of games, in the last 4 seasons, where I've left Easter Road having enjoyed the game! If it wasn't for the social side of going to the games, I would have stopped attending some time ago.

Hibs as a club have short changed and failed their supporters massively with their substandard on-field displays for far too long now. Big changes are needed to correct the damage that has accumulated over the tenure of several poor managerial appointments.

Fully understand this.

Add in he price of a Season Ticket and the way Hibs have moved the early bird and payment so early to trap folk into buying before the top 6 / bottom 6 split - just doesn’t sit well with me.

Another poster mentioned a ST without the Old Firm games - this would actually probably be more appealing as Hearts is the main game of the season - the old firm games are usually crap for various reasons and that includes Hibs allowing away fans to treat the stadium like their own.

Hibs need a backbone - some leadership and for the manager / players to connect with fans - many players the fans can’t wait to leave and just don’t trust to do a job for Hibs.

As you say hard to think go many enjoyable wins at ER in last few seasons - lots of the same dull stuff along with plenty of woeful games and massive let downs.

Until Hibs show more ambition and by that I mean showing progression on the pitch and a team that stands up for themselves when times are tough - I think crowds will drop sadly. Fans can only take so much over priced crap. Credit to those who renew with blind loyalty but unfortunately many fans are fed up.

[blackpoolhibs]

I quite like Obita but for all he’s seen as being really good going forward, he doesn’t have much to show for it. Two goals, one of them when playing in midfield, and no assists.

He’s definitely not one at the top of the list for emptying but when we’re looking at the likes of him as being one we’re lucky to have, I think it kind of shows where we are.
:top marks

[Keith_M]

Stating the obvious here but the cup win of 2016, plus the following two seasons of watching a talented, exciting team really brought a lot of fans back to Hibs, which was evident from the massive increase in attendances.

That created a platform from which we could, and should, have built, and it's frustrating that we haven't done that.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

The livi game for me summed it up.

3-0 up after 25mins and instead of trying to score more we just stopped.

It was kinda "ah well, we're winning. Just seen it out for 60 mins" and turned into a really boring game

[MWHIBBIES]

The livi game for me summed it up.

3-0 up after 25mins and instead of trying to score more we just stopped.

It was kinda "ah well, we're winning. Just seen it out for 60 mins" and turned into a really boring game

That summed it up? A 3-0 win summed up why were crap? Interesting.

Quite right to stop and relax at 3-0. Games over, avoid any injury.

[matty_f]

That summed it up? A 3-0 win summed up why were crap? Interesting.

Quite right to stop and relax at 3-0. Games over, avoid any injury.

Would we have got more injuries if we’d tried to score more goals?

I agree with the point that using a 3-0 to highlight how we’ve been crap is a bit of a take, I do take the point though, that there was an opportunity there to really give everyone a big lift that was missed.

As for a general apathy, I’m not feeling that. I’ve found games boring and not enjoyed our style of play more often than I’ve enjoyed it, but there undoubtedly have been periods in games where we’ve played very well and or been far from boring.

This should be a really exciting time for the club, irrespective of who’s in charge for it, the rebuild that is coming is something to look forward to.

[MWHIBBIES]

Would we have got more injuries if we’d tried to score more goals?

I agree with the point that using a 3-0 to highlight how we’ve been crap is a bit of a take, I do take the point though, that there was an opportunity there to really give everyone a big lift that was missed.

As for a general apathy, I’m not feeling that. I’ve found games boring and not enjoyed our style of play more often than I’ve enjoyed it, but there undoubtedly have been periods in games where we’ve played very well and or been far from boring.

This should be a really exciting time for the club, irrespective of who’s in charge for it, the rebuild that is coming is something to look forward to.

Of course not, nothing is guaranteed, but you watch any side with big games coming up like we had then. Start strong, get the game over with and coast. City, Arsenal, Real, Bayern etc do that plenty.

I have zero confidence in the current owners of this club, but I'll still be there every week. Clubs existed 149 years. I'm not going to be the one who abandons it because we're a bit crap. No apathy from me. If anything, I think this was quite predictable when Ron came in. Similar to many horror stories down south. Owner with no idea about football, hiring people who have no idea about football.

[Smartie]

That summed it up? A 3-0 win summed up why were crap? Interesting.

Quite right to stop and relax at 3-0. Games over, avoid any injury.

The St Johnstone game was the game that summed it up for me.

Dull, flat, boring first half, little intensity. 2nd half, slight improvement, bad goal lost, failed to take chances, just about hauled ourselves back into it, second awful goal lost. Game lost when season could really have been kept alive. Fans and players frustrated.

I’ll never be unhappy with a controlled 3-0 win, unless it’s something daft like the 2nd leg of a cup tie that we needed to win 4-0.

[matty_f]

Of course not, nothing is guaranteed, but you watch any side with big games coming up like we had then. Start strong, get the game over with and coast. City, Arsenal, Real, Bayern etc do that plenty.

I have zero confidence in the current owners of this club, but I'll still be there every week. Clubs existed 149 years. I'm not going to be the one who abandons it because we're a bit crap. No apathy from me. If anything, I think this was quite predictable when Ron came in. Similar to many horror stories down south. Owner with no idea about football, hiring people who have no idea about football.

Same here, I’m excited for going tomorrow already, as i will be for Wednesday and the last game v Livi.

Then I’ll spend the summer counting the days until the football is back on.

[Baldy Foghorn]

No apathy from me, Hibs are my passion

[The Captain....]

Hibs need someone to inspire the support. There's an absolute poverty of leadership in the club atm. Top 6 is seen as acceptable..and we can't even achieve those lowly ambitions.

Football in general has gone from being a near obsession to a lesser interest in the last 10 years for me. The completely corrupt interpretation of VAR in this country to suit one club has sickened me to such an extent I can hardly be arsed anymore.

50 odd years of home and away, then home games, then occasional big games and now I've chucked it. Not renewing next season as there is no enjoyment in going and my time and money is better spent elsewhere. Still love the club and support but just had enough.


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[MWHIBBIES]

No apathy from me, Hibs are my passion

Need more like you.

[Hibees1973]

Love a negative thread.

It's a mess from top to bottom and there are very few, if any, people at Hibs just now capable of sorting this out.

[Brightside]

Love a negative thread.

It's a mess from top to bottom and there are very few, if any, people at Hibs just now capable of sorting this out.

So just get on with supporting. Smile and go again.

[flash]

Sunshine, a few beers and the chance to shout abuse at Shinnie.

What's not to like?

[brianmc]

Sunshine, a few beers and the chance to shout abuse at Shinnie.

What's not to like?

As an out of towner who drives to the games the beer option is a non starter for me.

My seat is at the back of the East so I never get any sunshine during games - but at least I can shout at Shinnie....haud me back 😞

[Paul1642]

I don’t share the apathy at all, especially the talk of fans of 30+ years feeling it for the first time.

I had an apathetic spell which lasted somewhere in the region of post John Collins until Stubbs came in. This was down to the never ending flow of journeymen players and a board / owner who would not invest in the playing squad. The Calderwood and Fenlon eras are the least interest I’ve ever felt for Hibs.

The performance and results right now are undeniably not good enough but it feel like we are at least trying to get things right and whilst much of the squad are not playing well enough they just don’t give the same ‘don’t give a crap about the club’ vibes that’s the players of the era i mentioned gave off.

Further we go into a new season with what will likely be our largest ever playing and transfer budget. It might go well, it might not, but I’ll be refreshing the summer transfer thread daily hopefully regardless I’m just as excited to go into next season I was the current one.

[LaMotta]

I quite like Obita but for all he’s seen as being really good going forward, he doesn’t have much to show for it. Two goals, one of them when playing in midfield, and no assists.

He’s definitely not one at the top of the list for emptying but when we’re looking at the likes of him as being one we’re lucky to have, I think it kind of shows where we are.

Agree with this. Whilst I like him, he has also cost us massively in 3 different games this season with absolutely appalling defending. Its a sign of how bad things are that he has been lauded so much this season by some.

[Forza Fred]

Love a negative thread..

We know.

[Donegal Hibby]

The livi game for me summed it up.

3-0 up after 25mins and instead of trying to score more we just stopped.

It was kinda "ah well, we're winning. Just seen it out for 60 mins" and turned into a really boring game

Yeah , burn players energy , risk injury chasing a game thats already won ! . Excellent tactics right enough 😂

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

In reply to the OP, it’s not just you. And it’s not necessarily your “age and stage” as you put it either. I feel the same and I’m 24. Hibs depress me at the minute, I definitely feel less connected and interested in football generally now than I have in the past.


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[matty_f]

Yeah , burn players energy , risk injury chasing a game thats already won ! . Excellent tactics right enough 😂

I'm amazed that any team scores more than three goals in a game, the managers are taking some risk with their players.

[SickBoy32]

A lot of good posts on the thread, with really valid points being raised - about both factors the club can control (shambolic leadership / dreadful recruitment / transforming the club into a corporate franchise), and those they can’t (VAR)

VAR really lowers my enjoyment of the games, but the main factor in not renewing my ST is to try and enact change within the club. These clowns only care about cash so time to hit them where it hurts.

ST holder of 20+ year, but as yet my party of 3 have 0 renewals. Kensell and co are just so out of touch with the club, get him binned and let’s start again with someone who knows what they’re doing 👍

[Eyrie]

I'm amazed that any team scores more than three goals in a game, the managers are taking some risk with their players.

The risk will increase exponentially with every extra goal scored so Donegal will want Turnbull charged with endangering the Tornados for scoring seven at the PBS.

[Bostonhibby]

The risk will increase exponentially with every extra goal scored so Donegal will want Turnbull charged with endangering the Tornados for scoring seven at the PBS.Takes away the fear of scoring the 8th goal though surely?

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[He's here!]

I had a thread closed previously for suggesting it but a fan-formed new Hibs (like United of Manchester) feels like a more positive option than hoping things will get better at Easter Road. We're going nowhere under the current regime.

[Dashing Bob S]

A disappointing season from hell, but we'll be back next year, much stronger.

[Bobo]

A disappointing season from hell, but we'll be back next year, much stronger.

Sadly that's only because we can't get any worse than we are now.. rock bottom!

[BILLYHIBS]

I think hes a very good defender who is also an excellent dynamic attacking full back. Also very interesting how well he played as a filling in centre back, shows we have options. As a general point, we seem to have lost the ability just to accept that sometimes all defenders just get beat and sometimes that leads to a goal, and that the measure of a fullbacks success or failure shouldnt be ‘did a goal come from his side’ the previous week. Even Cafu and Lahm got beat sometimes.

Obita is a very good player and we’re lucky to have him.

Like I said cannae defend made a mess of the Aberdeen second and posted missing for their fourth

Needs to concentrate on the basics

[GreenCastle]

I’m actually at the stage now where I don’t care who Hibs appoint as a new manager.

Surely Monty will go and someone new will come in.

I just don’t trust the club to sort this mess out and bring the right players in.

Only time will tell but lost so much faith in those running the club.

The more they delay decisions and the lack of any change - the more depressing it all becomes.

[He's here!]

Same here, I’m excited for going tomorrow already, as i will be for Wednesday and the last game v Livi.

Then I’ll spend the summer counting the days until the football is back on.

This I find hard to grasp. I couldn't have been less excited about today and after such a humiliating display I can't see what possible excitement Wednesday offers. The words excitement and Hibs simply don't go together these days. Roll on the end of the season and a few weeks where we don't have our weekends soured by the sort of guff Hibs are serving up on a regular basis.

[Stuart93]

Sunshine, a few beers and the chance to shout abuse at Shinnie.

What's not to like?

The 4-0 pumping that comes with it

[matty_f]

This I find hard to grasp. I couldn't have been less excited about today and after such a humiliating display I can't see what possible excitement Wednesday offers. The words excitement and Hibs simply don't go together these days. Roll on the end of the season and a few weeks where we don't have our weekends soured by the sort of guff Hibs are serving up on a regular basis.

I was really looking forward to the game today and was regretting my life choices by about 15:35. I'll be annoyed tonight and probably tomorrow but by Tuesday I'll be excited to be going back to Easter Road again on Wednesday night.

I love Hibs, I love going to the game, I love the time with my son and my dad, and the optimism (misplaced or not) ahead of the game.

[LaMotta]

Like I said cannae defend made a mess of the Aberdeen second and posted missing for their fourth

Needs to concentrate on the basics

:agree: Obita was utterly horrendous today (and not for the first time).

[Smartie]

:agree: Obita was utterly horrendous today (and not for the first time).

Our fullbacks are both suspect defensively… and look like they’d both be good wing backs with a 3 man back line in place to help them out with the defensive side of the game.

Cadden and Obita are both great attacking outlets though.

[BILLYHIBS]

:agree: Obita was utterly horrendous today (and not for the first time).

Passing was poor throughout was actually standing beside Miovski as he buried the third obviously did not anticipate the dummy :greengrin

Put over a peach of a ball for Maolida’s header mind

[LaMotta]

Our fullbacks are both suspect defensively… and look like they’d both be good wing backs with a 3 man back line in place to help them out with the defensive side of the game.

Cadden and Obita are both great attacking outlets though.

I think they are both very average in an attacking sense. 50 games between them this season - how many assists? Zero. Not one. Obita occasionally puts in a decent cross, that's about it. I think they are both ok players, and are only escaping much of the criticism because of how poor players around them are.

Just as a quick comparison using the first two full backs I thought of - Nicky Devlin at Aberdeen has 5 assists, Cochrane at Hearts has 6.

[WeeRussell]

This I find hard to grasp. I couldn't have been less excited about today and after such a humiliating display I can't see what possible excitement Wednesday offers. The words excitement and Hibs simply don't go together these days. Roll on the end of the season and a few weeks where we don't have our weekends soured by the sort of guff Hibs are serving up on a regular basis.

Out of interest, did you attend today and were you intending on going on Wednesday?

[BILLYHIBS]

Just woke up

Is he still here ?

Living nightmare

[Pretty Boy]

The fact Hibs haven't provided an attendance figure to any media outlets for yesterday tells a story.

Lowest support I can recall at a non League Cup game in a long time. The fans who were in attendance supported admirably for a long while but there were evidently thousands who didn't bother.

That's no real issue this season, their money is in the bank, but it should be ringing alarms bells for the season ahead. ST holders are your lifeblood, the most loyal and when they stop turning up you have a problem.

[Jamesie]

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The fact Hibs haven't provided an attendance figure to any media outlets for yesterday tells a story.

Lowest support I can recall at a non League Cup game in a long time. The fans who were in attendance supported admirably for a long while but there were evidently thousands who didn't bother.

That's no real issue this season, their money is in the bank, but it should be ringing alarms bells for the season ahead. ST holders are your lifeblood, the most loyal and when they stop turning up you have a problem.

Remarkably, at least at the end of March, season ticket sales were up by 2k on where they had been last year (I can’t remember the exact figure). That will have sharply tailed off now, I expect.

[DIXIHIBS]

The fact Hibs haven't provided an attendance figure to any media outlets for yesterday tells a story.

Lowest support I can recall at a non League Cup game in a long time. The fans who were in attendance supported admirably for a long while but there were evidently thousands who didn't bother.

That's no real issue this season, their money is in the bank, but it should be ringing alarms bells for the season ahead. ST holders are your lifeblood, the most loyal and when they stop turning up you have a problem.

Stated attendance would still be quite high, STs a few walk ups plus 2k? dons. Probably 14/15k. Actual bums on seats well under 10k imo.

[Forza Fred]

The fact Hibs haven't provided an attendance figure to any media outlets for yesterday tells a story.

Lowest support I can recall at a non League Cup game in a long time. The fans who were in attendance supported admirably for a long while but there were evidently thousands who didn't bother.

That's no real issue this season, their money is in the bank, but it should be ringing alarms bells for the season ahead. ST holders are your lifeblood, the most loyal and when they stop turning up you have a problem.

TBH the ‘attendance’ figure would probably be a decent one, given Aberdeen’s pretty good support.

Under SPFL rules all clubs are required to include all season ticket sales in the official ‘attendance’ figure, and have been for a few years now.

So for league games at least, the ‘attendance’ figure does not count the actual number of spectators physically in the ground.

[Broken Gnome]

I was subject to a mild bit of mocking when suggesting these games would only be attended by 6-7k Hibs fans. From not seeing how full the West was, probably the busiest section admittedly, you'd really have to look at how empty each row was on average across the ground to see we were right in that bracket. Impossible to say we were anywhere near half full.

[hibsbollah]

I was subject to a mild bit of mocking when suggesting these games would only be attended by 6-7k Hibs fans. From not seeing how full the West was, probably the busiest section admittedly, you'd really have to look at how empty each row was on average across the ground to see we were right in that bracket. Impossible to say we were anywhere near half full.

Im surprised to hear so much of this. Considering the circumstances it was a decent turnout not really anything out of the ordinary for a top 4/5 club in the bottom six in a nothing game.