Comparing records of last 12 Hibs managers who've managed 31 top flight league games

[CathroMustStay]

Starting with Alex McLeish in 1998, and including Monty who somehow remains in charge, there have been 12 Hibs managers who have managed 31 top flight league games. So not including seasons in the Championship, and those who oversaw fewer than 31 such games, Hibs managers who don't meet this criteria include Butcher, Stubbs, Heckingbottom & Maloney.

1) Neil Lennon: P31 W15 D10 L6 Pts 55 GD +12
2) Tony Mowbray: P31 W16 D5 L10 Pts 53 GD +9
3) John Hughes: P31 W14 D8 L9 Pts 50 GD +8
4) Jack Ross: P31 W14 D7 L10 Pts 49 GD +5
5) Bobby Williamson: P31 W14 D4 L13 Pts 46 GD +7
6) John Collins: P31 W12 D9 L10 Pts 45 GD +9

7) Mixu Paatelainen: P31 W11 D7 L13 Pts 40 GD -3
8) Lee Johnson: P31 W12 D4 L15 Pts 40 GD -4
9) Nick Montgomery: P31 W9 D12 L10 Pts 39 GD -5
10) Alex McLeish: P31 W8 D12 L11 Pts 36 GD -7
11) Pat Fenlon: P31 W9 D7 L15 Pts 34 GD -14
12) Colin Calderwood: P31 W8 D5 L18 Pts 29 GD -19

[Keith_M]

Sorry mate, I'm not following.

How did you decide which 31 games to include and which to exclude?


:dunno:

[CMac1988]

Sorry mate, I'm not following.

How did you decide which 31 games to include and which to exclude?


:dunno:

I'm assuming it's their last 31 not including games out with the spl/spfl.

[badabing67]

I'm assuming it's their last 31 not including games out with the spl/spfl.

That's what I assume but who do you think had the best squad.

[Paul1642]

I had assumed it’s the first 31 games. Yogi’s stats seem a little too good for a manager to get the sack. Wikipedia has him as winning 19 from 54 so 5 wins from his final 23 game seems more like what I remember. There’s also no way Mcleish’s final 31 games were so poor.

[Winston Ingram]

I’m assuming Butcher never managed for 31 games

[DIXIHIBS]

I had assumed it’s the first 31 games. Yogi’s stats seem a little too good for a manager to get the sack. Wikipedia has him as winning 19 from 54 so 5 wins from his final 23 game seems more like what I remember. There’s also no way Mcleish’s final 31 games were so poor.

Pretty sure it's the first 31.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Was it Ebbe Skovdahl of wellies and Aberdeen that said :

'Statistics are like mini-skirts. They give you good ideas but hide the most important things.' (Ebbe Skovdahl)

Yes it was :)

[TrinityHFC]

That's what I assume but who do you think had the best squad.

Aye, doesn’t tell you anything about what they had to work with.

[Just_Jimmy]

Pointless, it doesn't demonstrate anything of any significance except you can use made up stats for anything you like.

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[MWHIBBIES]

Pointless, it doesn't demonstrate anything of any significance except you can use made up stats for anything you like.

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Made up stats? Is there such a thing?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Made up stats? Is there such a thing?

Of course there is. Stats that are completely inaccurate are made up stats :greengrin

[ancient hibee]

72.4% of stats are made up.

[HoboHarry]

72.4% of stats are made up.
And the remaining 41.6% are lies.

[basehibby]

Starting with Alex McLeish in 1998, and including Monty who somehow remains in charge, there have been 12 Hibs managers who have managed 31 top flight league games. So not including seasons in the Championship, and those who oversaw fewer than 31 such games, Hibs managers who don't meet this criteria include Butcher, Stubbs, Heckingbottom & Maloney.

1) Neil Lennon: P31 W15 D10 L6 Pts 55 GD +12 - 47.97
2) Tony Mowbray: P31 W16 D5 L10 Pts 53 GD +9 - 48.15
3) John Hughes: P31 W14 D8 L9 Pts 50 GD +8 - 35.19
4) Jack Ross: P31 W14 D7 L10 Pts 49 GD +5 - 48.96
5) Bobby Williamson: P31 W14 D4 L13 Pts 46 GD +7 - 37.36
6) John Collins: P31 W12 D9 L10 Pts 45 GD +9 - 42.59

7) Mixu Paatelainen: P31 W11 D7 L13 Pts 40 GD -3 - 30.65
8) Lee Johnson: P31 W12 D4 L15 Pts 40 GD -4 - 38.46
9) Nick Montgomery: P31 W9 D12 L10 Pts 39 GD -5 - 32.35
10) Alex McLeish: P31 W8 D12 L11 Pts 36 GD -7 - 47.24
11) Pat Fenlon: P31 W9 D7 L15 Pts 34 GD -14 - 35.63
12) Colin Calderwood: P31 W8 D5 L18 Pts 29 GD -19 - 24.49

Interesting but not as informative as you'd think. I presume it's the first 31 games for each of them we are looking at - and that makes it a bit skewed as some managers have come into teams already struggling. CoCo Calderwood is deservedly bottom of this pile, whereas you'd really expect Alex McLeish to be up at 3rd or 4th.
I think a more telling stat is win %age so I've added that in (for total time at Hibs). That puts Monty at 3rd bottom and begins to tell the real story over why fans are dissatisfied with him.
A successful Hibs manager needs to be turning in well over 40% wins to keep the support purring and Monty is a long way short of that. Yes we know he's had some *****y referee calls but near enough every Hibs manager could say that - and there have been quite a few miserable performances in there where we deserved nothing.
I desperately want every Hibs manager to succeed but am struggling to see any convincing argument for keeping Monty on. For me we have, if anything, gone backwards from Johnson - under whom when we were good we were very good, even if he didn't really look like the answer either due to terrible inconsistency.
One thing that stands out a mile for me from these stats is how desperately unfair it was to give Jack Ross the sack when we did - he actually boasts the best win %age out of the lot and deserved to lead the team out at the Cup Final he'd got us to for my money. Water under the bridge though. We are a tough lot to please!

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Interesting but not as informative as you'd think. I presume it's the first 31 games for each of them we are looking at - and that makes it a bit skewed as some managers have come into teams already struggling. CoCo Calderwood is deservedly bottom of this pile, whereas you'd really expect Alex McLeish to be up at 3rd or 4th.
I think a more telling stat is win %age so I've added that in (for total time at Hibs). That puts Monty at 3rd bottom and begins to tell the real story over why fans are dissatisfied with him.
A successful Hibs manager needs to be turning in well over 40% wins to keep the support purring and Monty is a long way short of that. Yes we know he's had some *****y referee calls but near enough every Hibs manager could say that - and there have been quite a few miserable performances in there where we deserved nothing.
I desperately want every Hibs manager to succeed but am struggling to see any convincing argument for keeping Monty on. For me we have, if anything, gone backwards from Johnson - under whom when we were good we were very good, even if he didn't really look like the answer either due to terrible inconsistency.
One thing that stands out a mile for me from these stats is how desperately unfair it was to give Jack Ross the sack when we did - he actually boasts the best win %age out of the lot and deserved to lead the team out at the Cup Final he'd got us to for my money. Water under the bridge though. We are a tough lot to please!

to throw the cat amongst the pigeons I wonder what MacInnes record after 31 games at St Johnstone, Aberdeen and Killie was. I’m not advocating for him but suggest he would be more of a Jack Ross type - effective steady as she goes but the thing I recall of MacInnes from memory was the dismal record in crunch games against Celtic when they were one of the mainstay challengers.