Act Now Hibs

[One Day Soon]

Right now we have about six weeks until the transfer window opens. Roughly four weeks after that our season effectively starts with League Cup groups.

We have to shift players out, but much more importantly we need to bring a significant number of new players very quickly.

We don't need signings at the death near the end of the window on 2nd September, we could already have kneecapped our season by then. We need guys in at the very start of the window to give them as much of the month before the league cup as possible to bed in so that we hit the ground running.

If NM leaves in the next fortnight and a new manager is in place within days of that then the new manager gets about a month to think about what he wants to do before the window opens. And that's a month in which he pretty much won't see the players playing or have them around for the whole period to get to know them.

I'd say that in that scenario we are already teetering on the brink of being stuffed regarding improving the squad in time to make a difference for next season. If alternatively NM is staying then they need to come out and make that absolutely clear so that he can get on with it. I don't think he's up to it at all but if they're giving him the chance then say so.

This review and speculation on the manager both need to conclude bloody fast otherwise next season is 'transitional' again. In fact it probably already is whether its NM or someone else in charge.

FFS

[thebausburst]

Agree, cannot believe Hibs are going to allow Monty to spend X millions in the summer. If they do there is a very real chance it will simply be LJ all over again and we’ll be no further forward. We hav the cash, Hibs need to go out and get McInnes it’s that simple, biggest signing of the summer for Hibs is a manager who can deliver (based on his season in season out record).

[Baldy Foghorn]

We have a board who hardly any are "Hibs" people. I just don't think they get it.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Another "transitional" season looming, yet again!!! Club being badly mismanaged

[CockneyRebel]

[QUOTE=One Day Soon;7650057]Right now we have about six weeks until the transfer window opens. Roughly four weeks after that our season effectively starts with League Cup groups.

We have to shift players out, but much more importantly we need to bring a significant number of new players very quickly.

We don't need signings at the death near the end of the window on 2nd September, we could already have kneecapped our season by then. We need guys in at the very start of the window to give them as much of the month before the league cup as possible to bed in so that we hit the ground running.

If NM leaves in the next fortnight and a new manager is in place within days of that then the new manager gets about a month to think about what he wants to do before the window opens. And that's a month in which he pretty much won't see the players playing or have them around for the whole period to get to know them.

I'd say that in that scenario we are already teetering on the brink of being stuffed regarding improving the squad in time to make a difference for next season. If alternatively NM is staying then they need to come out and make that absolutely clear so that he can get on with it. I don't think he's up to it at all but if they're giving him the chance then say so.

This review and speculation on the manager both need to conclude bloody fast otherwise next season is 'transitional' again. In fact it probably already is whether its NM or someone else in charge.


If (a big if) McInnes agreed to join us, would you expect him to leave Kilmarnock before the season ends? Also Killie are set for European football next season compared to coming here to sort out a big mess. Hibs may be a bigger club than Kilmarnock but it's been a long time since they have shown it.

[Greensunshine]

Agree with all that’s been said. Monty needs to go now and I’d go further than that, I’d be doing a Man Utd and put the whole squad up for transfer.

The players have let everyone down badly. I actually feel a wee bit sorry for Monty but ultimately his time must come to an end because he simply won’t get the time required by the supporters.

If you look at McInness last season at Killie, it took him a whole first season to build his squad and he only just managed to stave off relegation and look were they are now.
Monty just won’t be given that time, a fresh start is required.

[Ronniekirk]

Agree, cannot believe Hibs are going to allow Monty to spend X millions in the summer. If they do there is a very real chance it will simply be LJ all over again and we’ll be no further forward. We hav the cash, Hibs need to go out and get McInnes it’s that simple, biggest signing of the summer for Hibs is a manager who can deliver (based on his season in season out record).

Am not sure there will be millions to spend

[Alfred E Newman]

Another "transitional" season looming, yet again!!! Club being badly mismanaged

We’ve been in transition for the last 50 years. Never has a club specialised in transitional seasons like the Hibs.

[MelbourneHibees]

Agree, cannot believe Hibs are going to allow Monty to spend X millions in the summer. If they do there is a very real chance it will simply be LJ all over again and we’ll be no further forward. We hav the cash, Hibs need to go out and get McInnes it’s that simple, biggest signing of the summer for Hibs is a manager who can deliver (based on his season in season out record).

Hibs won't be spending Millions in the summer.

[HendoDelivered]

Hibs won't be spending Millions in the summer.

Correct. Anyone who thinks so is in for a major disappointment I think. And if they sack Monty, that will bite into our budget even more.

[Donegal Hibby]

Correct. Anyone who thinks so is in for a major disappointment I think. And if they sack Monty, that will bite into our budget even more.

Along with possibly eating into it abit in trying to shift players on too .

[HendoDelivered]

Along with possibly eating into it abit in trying to shift players on too .

Yup. Interesting times ahead regardless DH.

[Gerard]

I think we need stability at our club and a manager who has more experience and success than the current one.
The current manager has had a lot of bad luck in some of his games but good luck and bad luck are only a part of what makes a good manager.
It is unfortunate for NM that his time IMO is up at Hibs.
We need to replace him now and look to next season to make progress .

[superfurryhibby]

Correct. Anyone who thinks so is in for a major disappointment I think. And if they sack Monty, that will bite into our budget even more.

Vente's fee plus the fees paid for Wollacott, Levitt and Youan will have taken spending in transfers to well over one million (probably lose to two million) , then we have the signing on fees for the likes of ALF, Obita, loan fees for Fish. I reckon we spent several million on players. Plus the money spent in January.

I can't believe the Gordon's have been here for five seasons and all we have in terms of tangible success is a third place and two lost cup finals. They must have squandered a lot of money, given we took in healthy fees for Doig and Nisbet (5 million between them).

I appreciate the improvements to infrastructure and building better commercial structures, but what a total **** up they have made of the football. Top it all off with a bell end as CEO, who earns a salary way in excess of any other CEO in the Scottish game (OF aside).

[Baldy Foghorn]

Vente's fee plus the fees paid for Wollacott, Levitt and Youan will have taken spending in transfers to well over one million (probably lose to two million) , then we have the signing on fees for the likes of ALF, Obita, loan fees for Fish. I reckon we spent several million on players. Plus the money spent in January.

I can't believe the Gordon's have been here for five seasons and all we have in terms of tangible success is a third place and two lost cup finals. They must have squandered a lot of money, given we took in healthy fees for Doig and Nisbet (5 million between them).

I appreciate the improvements to infrastructure and building better commercial structures, but what a total **** up they have made of the football. Top it all off with a bell end as CEO, who earns a salary way in excess of any other CEO in the Scottish game (OF aside).

Definitely squandered millions, hence the level of debt per the Annual accounts

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Well we did in the whole want a move away from STF.
Thr Gordons did put money / loans / equity returns for investing. Backed the wrong horses.
Pity the COVID season didn’t allow us to connect across the club. Probably set us back.

[gbhibby]

We have a board who hardly any are "Hibs" people. I just don't think they get it.
I would imagine Leslie Robb will sort them out.

[scoopyboy]

We have a board who hardly any are "Hibs" people. I just don't think they get it.

I would have thought Malcolm McPherson, Robert Begbie, Scott Fraser and Leslie Robb would be Hibs people that should get it

[Mrimbetween]

There is only one club right now as far as i can see in the SPL who can spend proper cash outside the two cheeks and we all know who that is

Thats the rewards of coming 3rd, as Aberdeen found out when that lot blew it last season

Hibs and Aberdeen will spend more on personnel than any other club in the SPL again outside the top 3 come the summer for sure but are both capable of matching Hearts ?? no way IMO

Being in the top 6 has its rewards that goes without saying never mind Europe

It sickens me to see clubs like Dundee Killie and St Mirren looking down on us

Its like starting afresh all over again and for me the top 3 are miles ahead right now

Lets hope we get rid of the deadwood and bring in the proper quality required

Thing is i dont think Monty will be with us next season. So hopefully if true the new regime will sort it out and quickly lesser mortals in the SPL have done so, it can be done and i believe it will

Stay positive guys things will get better

[Forza Fred]

The results of the ‘Strategic Review’ should be announced asap.

Pretty sure it would have been completed by now.

If Monty is staying, tell us and him and concentrate on players coming in/going out for next year.

If he is going tell us/him……we can’t get relegated and David Gray can look after the remaining couple of games we will have left.

At the moment, we are in a kind of limbo…….

[B.H.F.C]

The results of the ‘Strategic Review’ should be announced asap.

Pretty sure it would have been completed by now.

If Monty is staying, tell us and him and concentrate on players coming in/going out for next year.

If he is going tell us/him……we can’t get relegated and David Gray can look after the remaining couple of games we will have left.

At the moment, we are in a kind of limbo…….

Stuff about the review was the usual pish you hear every year when we’ve ****ed up. Nothing more than a holding statement IMO.

[PHeffernan]

Vente's fee plus the fees paid for Wollacott, Levitt and Youan will have taken spending in transfers to well over one million (probably lose to two million) , then we have the signing on fees for the likes of ALF, Obita, loan fees for Fish. I reckon we spent several million on players. Plus the money spent in January.

I can't believe the Gordon's have been here for five seasons and all we have in terms of tangible success is a third place and two lost cup finals. They must have squandered a lot of money, given we took in healthy fees for Doig and Nisbet (5 million between them).

I appreciate the improvements to infrastructure and building better commercial structures, but what a total **** up they have made of the football. Top it all off with a bell end as CEO, who earns a salary way in excess of any other CEO in the Scottish game (OF aside).

Vente, Youan, Levitt, Harbottle and Wollacott will have been £2 million alone in transfer fees last summer and that's before you get into other fees and wages.
We have also burned a fortune on the transfer fee and wages for Harry McKirdy, a nightmare which still has another year to run.

However, we have brought in £6.5 million in the last 2 seasons for Doig, Nisbet, Melkersen and Porteous.
Unfortunately for that strategy, we are fast running out of family silver and Youan looks like our most saleable remaining asset but he hasn't kicked on as much as hoped so do they hold on to him until Christmas when clubs are desperate and knock him out for £2 million to help balance the books.

The words fiscal pruidence don't spring to mind.

[bingo70]

Stuff about the review was the usual pish you hear every year when we’ve ****ed up. Nothing more than a holding statement IMO.

I think the difference this year is the involvement of the black knights. They want a return from their investment so their review is interesting.

I think the club will appoint a new technical director soon. I’d be amazed if they didn’t already know who it was and just a case of timing. Will the technical director want the perception he’s come in and sacked the manager or will he want that tidied up before he gets the job?

Time will tell I suppose but i suspect it could be an interesting week ahead, one way or the other.

[worcesterhibby]

[QUOTE=superfurryhibby;7650316 I appreciate the improvements to infrastructure and building better commercial structures, but what a total **** up they have made of the football. Top it all off with a bell end as CEO, who earns a salary way in excess of any other CEO in the Scottish game (OF aside).[/QUOTE]

To be fair, it's our CEO that has overseen the infrastructure improvements and commercial structures. He doesn't run the football side of things.

[gbhibby]

I would have thought Malcolm McPherson, Robert Begbie, Scott Fraser and Leslie Robb would be Hibs people that should get it

People who put money into the club will get it as well
There is a lot of players to clear out of the club to make way for others. I am sure there will be better quality coming in. This season has be an abject failure. The manager has had enough time so he should have gone, it may gave been too expensive to get rid of the management at the moment. Not seen the season ticket numbers but would imagine they will be down on previous seasons. I know quite a few people who have not bought one for next season.

[Baldy Foghorn]

I would have thought Malcolm McPherson, Robert Begbie, Scott Fraser and Leslie Robb would be Hibs people that should get it

Yes J, They were only added in last few months, hope they can sway the others.

[JohnM1875]

Hibs won't be spending Millions in the summer.

Completely disagree. Think we absolutely will spend 2 plus million this summer (millions). We basically did it last summer in Vente, Youan, Levitt, Wallacott and Obita.

[Exuberance1875]

Completely disagree. Think we absolutely will spend 2 plus million to in summer (millions). We basically did it last summer in Vente, Youan, Levitt, Wallacott and Obita.

Frightening money wasted on 4/5 of those players.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

On the latest episode of "Stick to Football " Gary Neville talks about one of his biggest mistakes as owner of Salford was giving Graham Alexander the summer transfer window and then sacking him 2 months in to the season leaving the newly signed players wondering wtf was going on and a new manager working with players someone else signed

I hope someone at the club listened to that. It's the exact situation we found ourselves in last summer, and look how that's turned out...

If he's going, ACT NOW.

[JohnM1875]

Frightening money wasted on 4/5 of those players.

Obita and Youan have been good signings. Still think Vente could come good played to his strengths.

If we don’t spend upwards of £2 million then there’s honestly no point. Doesn’t even matter if you stick with or sack Monty. Squad needs major surgery and free players or loans just won’t cut it.

[Donegal Hibby]

The results of the ‘Strategic Review’ should be announced asap.

Pretty sure it would have been completed by now.

If Monty is staying, tell us and him and concentrate on players coming in/going out for next year.

If he is going tell us/him……we can’t get relegated and David Gray can look after the remaining couple of games we will have left.

At the moment, we are in a kind of limbo…….

I agree it would be good to know what's happening , does worry me abit if he goes how far along we are in potential signing targets too . Another manager might not the same kind of players as Monty .

Sooner a decision made now the better so we can start to move forward if that's possible given our current situation.

Personally I hope he stays and is given the summer . Though not everyone shares that opinion and I do understand why .

[bingo70]

Yes J, They were only added in last few months, hope they can sway the others.

Away the others to decide what?

I don’t mean that in a cheeky way, I know you go to all the games and in all honesty, far more invested in Hibs than me.

Curious what you’d like to see done as someone who goes every week and presumably hears stories about what’s going on behind the scenes.

[Henderson2Del]

Away the others to decide what?

I don’t mean that in a cheeky way, I know you go to all the games and in all honesty, far more invested in Hibs than me.

Curious what you’d like to see done as someone who goes every week and presumably hears stories about what’s going on behind the scenes.

I’d imagine running the football club properly would be something wanted? The football has to be core and for a while we play at it and make mistake after mistake . The money we spent in the summer was substantial and we managed to get worse.

[B.H.F.C]

I think the difference this year is the involvement of the black knights. They want a return from their investment so their review is interesting.

I think the club will appoint a new technical director soon. I’d be amazed if they didn’t already know who it was and just a case of timing. Will the technical director want the perception he’s come in and sacked the manager or will he want that tidied up before he gets the job?

Time will tell I suppose but i suspect it could be an interesting week ahead, one way or the other.

On one hand I agree that it SHOULD be different with their involvement but I’m just a bit sceptical whilst we have the same senior people still there I suppose. When we said we were appointing a DOF you were hopeful that was going to initiate change. But McDermott doesn’t look to have done anything that you’d expect a proper DOF to do and will just be quietly moved along by the looks of things. Hopefully the BK involvement does mean we see a proper change to the structure or realignment of responsibilities that has been long needed.

I don’t see anything interesting happening this week though. I think we’ll just stumble along until the end of the season and it’ll be the start of June before we start hearing much.

[Hibees1973]

I think the difference this year is the involvement of the black knights. They want a return from their investment so their review is interesting.

I think the club will appoint a new technical director soon. I’d be amazed if they didn’t already know who it was and just a case of timing. Will the technical director want the perception he’s come in and sacked the manager or will he want that tidied up before he gets the job?

Time will tell I suppose but i suspect it could be an interesting week ahead, one way or the other.

I admire your faith in the Black Knights wanting a return on their investment.

Bournemouth is the jewel in their crown and the Black Knights will do everything possible to keep them in the Premier League. Foley's overall investment in Hibs is tiny in comparison. He has said so himself. We are a very small fish in their pond.

My fear is that because their overall investment is only 25%, the The Gordons still hold the keys to Hibs ultimately. This could lead to fractures in the partnership if Hibs continue to fail with The Gordons and Kensell at the helm.

The Black Knights seem to be doing very little to save Lorient from being relegated from the French top league.

[Hibees1973]

Stuff about the review was the usual pish you hear every year when we’ve ****ed up. Nothing more than a holding statement IMO.

Correct. The statement was a whole load of bull and a stalling tactic.

It's ludicrous when Ian Gordon and Kensell are part of the group carrying out the review. They should be looking in the mirror and taking a step back.

[Baldy Foghorn]

I’d imagine running the football club properly would be something wanted? The football has to be core and for a while we play at it and make mistake after mistake . The money we spent in the summer was substantial and we managed to get worse.

Yes indeed

[Baldy Foghorn]

Away the others to decide what?

I don’t mean that in a cheeky way, I know you go to all the games and in all honesty, far more invested in Hibs than me.

Curious what you’d like to see done as someone who goes every week and presumably hears stories about what’s going on behind the scenes.

Hopefully they are fresh eyes, to comment on the shambles we have become. We are a football club, first and foremost, and product on the park should be the most important part.

[easty]

Obita and Youan have been good signings. Still think Vente could come good played to his strengths.

If we don’t spend upwards of £2 million then there’s honestly no point. Doesn’t even matter if you stick with or sack Monty. Squad needs major surgery and free players or loans just won’t cut it.

There’s plenty of good footballers out there’s who’ll be available for free over the summer.

Plenty of our good signings were free transfers, Sauzee, Latapy, Murphy, Gray, Ambrose…there’s loads. As for loans, you just have to look at Maolida this season.

Look at the teams finishing above us. Hearts, Dundee, St Mirren, Killie. Do you think they’ve paid loads of transfer fees?

It’s about getting the right players, and then using them well.

The level of money we can spend, a few hundred grand on each player, doesn’t really buy you anything nowadays. Maybe a player at a lower level who’s doing well but unproven. The fees we pay don’t buy players who guarantee success.

[scoopyboy]

Yes J, They were only added in last few months, hope they can sway the others.

Agreed mate.

[Nicho87]

The statement was released cause the board knew fans were raging

If the players were cheered off in defeat no statement

They know majority of fans are fed up of losing games of football regardless what style we play

It was a holding statement

For Monty he must know his time is up, furthermore with Saturdays disaster

I’ve said since we finished bottom 6 he could win every game 3-0 and some fans won’t come back to him

IMO he has very little credit in the bank

No big win, could have put some credit in the bank beating hearts at tynie or Aberdeen in the semi, both were missed opportunities.

His interviews personally I can’t watch and haven’t watched this 2024, I find them repetitive and not informative, lack of personality.

I see how players can struggle to be motivated etc that hunger comes from the club down, I’d say we’re quite rotten from the top at the moment.

Not a winning mentality at all instilled at the club

Complete restructure needs done, if that means Kensell, McDermott, Monty gone plus 30 odd failed players I’m more than comfortable to start a fresh.

This season has been painful after the Villa games. No where near good enough.

[blackpoolhibs]

Hopefully they are fresh eyes, to comment on the shambles we have become. We are a football club, first and foremost, and product on the park should be the most important part.

Exactly, we might need an indoor pitch or new traffic cones, but just for once can we prioritise the team and spend what's needed on a good manager and decent players.

What is the point of having the best infrastructure if you have sheite like this lot using it?

[allezsauzee]

I admire your faith in the Black Knights wanting a return on their investment.

Bournemouth is the jewel in their crown and the Black Knights will do everything possible to keep them in the Premier League. Foley's overall investment in Hibs is tiny in comparison. He has said so himself. We are a very small fish in their pond.

My fear is that because their overall investment is only 25%, the The Gordons still hold the keys to Hibs ultimately. This could lead to fractures in the partnership if Hibs continue to fail with The Gordons and Kensell at the helm.

The Black Knights seem to be doing very little to save Lorient from being relegated from the French top league.

Lorient were 6th in Ligue 1 when the Black Knights investment was announced a season and a half ago and now they are extremely likely to be relegated. They have kept the same first team coach throughout this rapid decline so I'm not sure that they'll be agitating for change in management.

[WestStandWillie]

Our relationship with managers who have Rangers connections is very sketchy. Would McInnes even want to come?

All very good and well shouting "Act Now" but we're then putting the appointing of a manager in the hands of a guy who keeps getting them wrong.

We're a basket case of a club at the moment with a hopeless CEO and players who keep getting managers sacked.

Outside of DM, I can't think of another good candidate (not even entertaining Lennon).

[One Day Soon]

Our relationship with managers who have Rangers connections is very sketchy. Would McInnes even want to come?

All very good and well shouting "Act Now" but we're then putting the appointing of a manager in the hands of a guy who keeps getting them wrong.

We're a basket case of a club at the moment with a hopeless CEO and players who keep getting managers sacked.

Outside of DM, I can't think of another good candidate (not even entertaining Lennon).


We have to act now, whether that's dumping him or confirming his retention. The very worst of all worlds is to allow this uncertainty to drag on. It's not doing him or the squad any favours.

[McD]

Yes J, They were only added in last few months, hope they can sway the others.



Malcom McPherson has been back on the board for a couple of years I think

[CropleyWasGod]

Malcom McPherson has been back on the board for a couple of years I think

August 2020

(longer than Ben Kensell, Ian and Kit Gordon)

[Greensunshine]

Sooner a decision made now the better so we can start to move forward if that's possible given our current situation.

Personally I hope he stays and is given the summer . Though not everyone shares that opinion and I do understand why .


Now that I’ve calmed down a wee bit and even although I wanted to see the back of him I can fully understand why some like yourself are willing to give him a chance.
It’s not his fault certain players are making really poor on-field decisions leading to catastrophic errors.
I have little or no faith in the people who are identifying players if this is what we’re likely to get more of next season.

I just think we need to start a fresh. Let’s go get Derek McInness and give him whatever he’s asking for recruitment wise.

I think it now comes down to selling season tickets and having a new manager and a fresh start will get people excited about next season.

[easty]

Our relationship with managers who have Rangers connections is very sketchy.

What does this mean?

Other than Butcher, who are we talking about, and what does the 'Rangers connection' have to do with it?

[Alex Trager]

What does this mean?

Other than Butcher, who are we talking about, and what does the 'Rangers connection' have to do with it?

Presumably Miller.

Looking at a person who has played for Rangers and lumping them together with previous people who have played for Rangers for no other reason than they’ve played for Rangers is daft.

[easty]

Presumably Miller.

Looking at a person who has played for Rangers and lumping them together with previous people who have played for Rangers for no other reason than they’ve played for Rangers is daft.

:aok:

I didn't actually know Alex Miller played for Rangers, I didn't have a clue about his playing career.

[Victor]

Now that I’ve calmed down a wee bit and even although I wanted to see the back of him I can fully understand why some like yourself are willing to give him a chance.
It’s not his fault certain players are making really poor on-field decisions leading to catastrophic errors.
I have little or no faith in the people who are identifying players if this is what we’re likely to get more of next season.

I just think we need to start a fresh. Let’s go get Derek McInness and give him whatever he’s asking for recruitment wise.

I think it now comes down to selling season tickets and having a new manager and a fresh start will get people excited about next season.

Having watched Kilmarnock yesterday (even before the sending off) I would give McInnes about ten games at Hibs before the knives were out. They are effective in defence because they hoof the ball upfield whenever it comes near them. Their attack depends on whether one of the forwards gets on to the hoof. If they don’t then the ball comes back again. I didn’t see anything that would suggest he could do a job at Hibs. That may not be a popular opinion, but I don’t think he is the answer.

[easty]

Having watched Kilmarnock yesterday (even before the sending off) I would give McInnes about ten games at Hibs before the knives were out. They are effective in defence because they hoof the ball upfield whenever it comes near them. Their attack depends on whether one of the forwards gets on to the hoof. If they don’t then the ball comes back again. I didn’t see anything that would suggest he could do a job at Hibs. That may not be a popular opinion, but I don’t think he is the answer.

Judging them on a game against Rangers at Ibrox is harsh to be fair.

When I've seen Killie this season they've been a team who put a lot of balls into the box from 2 good wingers, rather than being a long ball outfit. They also have the recent SPFL young player of the year in Watson playing really well through the middle of the park.

You're never going to please everyone, and I know that even if McInnes did come in and consistently had us 3rd/4th, we'd still have folk complaining about the football style. We can't afford top class footballers, we can afford winning football. I'll take the points any day.

[Greensunshine]

Having watched Kilmarnock yesterday (even before the sending off) I would give McInnes about ten games at Hibs before the knives were out. They are effective in defence because they hoof the ball upfield whenever it comes near them. Their attack depends on whether one of the forwards gets on to the hoof. If they don’t then the ball comes back again. I didn’t see anything that would suggest he could do a job at Hibs. That may not be a popular opinion, but I don’t think he is the answer.

So who do you think might be the answer? 🤔

[Victor]

So who do you think might be the answer? [emoji848]

Fortunately, that’s not my decision.

[Donegal Hibby]

Now that I’ve calmed down a wee bit and even although I wanted to see the back of him I can fully understand why some like yourself are willing to give him a chance.
It’s not his fault certain players are making really poor on-field decisions leading to catastrophic errors.
I have little or no faith in the people who are identifying players if this is what we’re likely to get more of next season.

I just think we need to start a fresh. Let’s go get Derek McInness and give him whatever he’s asking for recruitment wise.

I think it now comes down to selling season tickets and having a new manager and a fresh start will get people excited about next season.

I think Monty's been dealt a very bad hand of cards between mainly the squad not being good enough and decisions this season. I do feel sorry for him in truth.

I will be totally honest with you and while I think Derek McInnes is a good manager he's one of the names mentioned on here that i find totally the opposite of exciting .

I don't think it would end well and it wouldn't be long before people would be moaning about the way we were playing which also happened with Jack Ross even though he got us 3rd place.

Wither our Managers Monty , McInnes or anyone else the only way we are going to get out of the mess we're in is by giving a manager time .

The clubs been so poorly run for awhile and I'm far from impressed with Ben Kensell . Totally understand why you and others want a change of manager too though I just don't think our current ones been given a fair chance yet .

[Real Emerald]

[QUOTE=Donegal Hibby;7650991]I think Monty's been dealt a very bad hand of cards between mainly the squad not being good enough and decisions this season. I do feel sorry for him in truth.

He’s been given a multi million pound training centre, a fantastic costly playing surface and players way out of Dundee, St Mirren , Killie, Ross effin County’s etc. budget. What sort of hand does he want dealt?

[Baldy Foghorn]

August 2020

(longer than Ben Kensell, Ian and Kit Gordon)

Thought he was only appointed around time of RG's death, although that might have been as Chairman when previously a non exec

[CropleyWasGod]

Thought he was only appointed around time of RG's death, although that might have been as Chairman when previously a non exec

Definitely 1 August 2020

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/SC005323/officers

[Baldy Foghorn]

Definitely 1 August 2020

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/SC005323/officers

Cheers CWG:aok:

[WestCoastHibby]

David Moyes finishing up at WestHam.
I know he’d probably never be interested in Hibs in a million years but hey…..George Best and Frank Sauzee were unexpected too

[California-Hibs]

The statement was released cause the board knew fans were raging

If the players were cheered off in defeat no statement

They know majority of fans are fed up of losing games of football regardless what style we play

It was a holding statement

For Monty he must know his time is up, furthermore with Saturdays disaster

I’ve said since we finished bottom 6 he could win every game 3-0 and some fans won’t come back to him

IMO he has very little credit in the bank

No big win, could have put some credit in the bank beating hearts at tynie or Aberdeen in the semi, both were missed opportunities.

His interviews personally I can’t watch and haven’t watched this 2024, I find them repetitive and not informative, lack of personality.

I see how players can struggle to be motivated etc that hunger comes from the club down, I’d say we’re quite rotten from the top at the moment.

Not a winning mentality at all instilled at the club

Complete restructure needs done, if that means Kensell, McDermott, Monty gone plus 30 odd failed players I’m more than comfortable to start a fresh.

This season has been painful after the Villa games. No where near good enough.

Everything you've said here is completely spot on and I echo it all!

[GreenCastle]

I think Monty's been dealt a very bad hand of cards between mainly the squad not being good enough and decisions this season. I do feel sorry for him in truth.

I will be totally honest with you and while I think Derek McInnes is a good manager he's one of the names mentioned on here that i find totally the opposite of exciting .

I don't think it would end well and it wouldn't be long before people would be moaning about the way we were playing which also happened with Jack Ross even though he got us 3rd place.

Wither our Managers Monty , McInnes or anyone else the only way we are going to get out of the mess we're in is by giving a manager time .

The clubs been so poorly run for awhile and I'm far from impressed with Ben Kensell . Totally understand why you and others want a change of manager too though I just don't think our current ones been given a fair chance yet .

What has Monty improved since he has come in? What are the positives ?

Just simply 3 things ?

I can give you a list of bad results…feel free to list good results ?

St Mirren - 3-0 loss at home
Motherwell away (Winning into a draw for top 6)
St.Johnstone home - Loss
St Johnstone away - Loss
Hearts home - late goal loss
St.Mirren away ( Winning into a Draw)
Aberdeen - 10 men Semi final loss
Ross County (Winning into a Draw - late goal)
Ross County away - (winning into a loss)

Plus we have only won 2 games in a row once in league since he’s been here.

[easty]

Plus we have only won 2 games in a row once in league since he’s been here.

But he has managed to go on runs of 6 games and 7 games in the league without a win.

[bingo70]

What has Monty improved since he has come in? What are the positives ?

Just simply 3 things ?

I can give you a list of bad results…feel free to list good results ?

St Mirren - 3-0 loss at home
Motherwell away (Winning into a draw for top 6)
St.Johnstone home - Loss
St Johnstone away - Loss
Hearts home - late goal loss
St.Mirren away ( Winning into a Draw)
Aberdeen - 10 men Semi final loss
Ross County (Winning into a Draw - late goal)
Ross County away - (winning into a loss)

Plus we have only won 2 games in a row once in league since he’s been here.

I’m on your side of the argument regarding Monty however I think the poster you’re responding to has been saying they don’t think results match our performances and if you dig a bit deeper beneath the score we are not far away from being a decent team. That’s certainly the angle Monty has been coming from.

FWIW I get that argument when you’re discussing a run of bad form over 3 or 4 games. When you start getting to it over 31 games, you’re pretty much where you deserve to be. All teams get injuries and all teams get bad refereeing decisions against them.

[B.H.F.C]

I’m on your side of the argument regarding Monty however I think the poster you’re responding to has been saying they don’t think results match our performances and if you dig a bit deeper beneath the score we are not far away from being a decent team. That’s certainly the angle Monty has been coming from.

FWIW I get that argument when you’re discussing a run of bad form over 3 or 4 games. When you start getting to it over 31 games, you’re pretty much where you deserve to be. All teams get injuries and all teams get bad refereeing decisions against them.

On not being far away, I kind of get the point. If we even just had a half competent defence you’d be looking at quite a reasonable number of those 2-2 draws being wins and probably being in a European place. As little as being half a dozen goals better off defensively would have made a huge difference. Where I have zero sympathy for him is that he did absolutely nothing to address it in January. It was clear at the time that a 20 year old on loan given how poor we’d been was bordering on stupidity and always likely to cost us and more so Montgomery.

[bingo70]

On not being far away, I kind of get the point. If we even just had a half competent defence you’d be looking at quite a reasonable number of those 2-2 draws being wins and probably being in a European place. As little as being half a dozen goals better off defensively would have made a huge difference. Where I have zero sympathy for him is that he did absolutely nothing to address it in January. It was clear at the time that a 20 year old on loan given how poor we’d been was bordering on stupidity and always likely to cost us and more so Montgomery.

Yeah, I’m also not sure he did enough to protect the defence.

It’s not new news that we had a poor defence who made lots of individual errors, we were far too open and easy to play against though which continually left these defenders exposed to situations where they would make mistakes. I’m not one that advocates boring, defensive football but there’s times to park the bus and get numbers back there, it seems to me, when you can’t keep a clean sheet it might be an idea to go defensive for a few weeks and then try to build on that. We just kept being really open and hoping we could outscore the opponent.

Defensively I thought we looked all over the place, it’s easy to blame individuals for that but I think there’s more to it than that. We never look compact, organised and difficult to play against.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Can't wait till Sunday when he plays the same team 😂

[joe breezy]

Right now we have about six weeks until the transfer window opens. Roughly four weeks after that our season effectively starts with League Cup groups.

We have to shift players out, but much more importantly we need to bring a significant number of new players very quickly.

We don't need signings at the death near the end of the window on 2nd September, we could already have kneecapped our season by then. We need guys in at the very start of the window to give them as much of the month before the league cup as possible to bed in so that we hit the ground running.

If NM leaves in the next fortnight and a new manager is in place within days of that then the new manager gets about a month to think about what he wants to do before the window opens. And that's a month in which he pretty much won't see the players playing or have them around for the whole period to get to know them.

I'd say that in that scenario we are already teetering on the brink of being stuffed regarding improving the squad in time to make a difference for next season. If alternatively NM is staying then they need to come out and make that absolutely clear so that he can get on with it. I don't think he's up to it at all but if they're giving him the chance then say so.

This review and speculation on the manager both need to conclude bloody fast otherwise next season is 'transitional' again. In fact it probably already is whether its NM or someone else in charge.

FFS

Agree - time waits for no-one.
And football moves fast.


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[Donegal Hibby]

What has Monty improved since he has come in? What are the positives ?

Just simply 3 things ?

I can give you a list of bad results…feel free to list good results ?

St Mirren - 3-0 loss at home
Motherwell away (Winning into a draw for top 6)
St.Johnstone home - Loss
St Johnstone away - Loss
Hearts home - late goal loss
St.Mirren away ( Winning into a Draw)
Aberdeen - 10 men Semi final loss
Ross County (Winning into a Draw - late goal)
Ross County away - (winning into a loss)

Plus we have only won 2 games in a row once in league since he’s been here.

We also had .....

St Johnstone home - 2-0 win 54% possession 17/8 shots while restricting them to one on target.
Dundee home - 0-0 63%possession 23/9 Shots while restricting them to just two on target.
Hertz away - 2-2 more possession spirited comeback.
Celtic home - 0-0 decent result.
St Mirren away - 2-2 unlucky to lose a late penalty.
Killie home - 1-0 53%possession restricted them to one shot on target.
Dundee away - 2-1 win had more possession and played near the last half hour with ten men.
Livvy away 1-0 57% possession .
Celtic home 2-1 loss had more shots than Celtic in total , unlucky due to two penalties while being denied one ourselves.
Aberdeen away - 2-2 decent result , shafted by ref / VAR.
Dundee home - 2-1 win shots 16/9 while restricting them to one shot on target , 60 % possession too .
Hertz away - 1-1 shots 21/6 restricted them to just two shots on target, also shafted again by ref/ VAR .
Ross county - 2-0 65% possession 14/6 shots restricted them to just two on target.
Livvy home - 3-0 win 58% possession . Excellent display of good football first half .

As I said before last season when we finished 5th we lost a total of 16 games and even if we lose our next 3 which i don't think we will we wont surpass that .

Draws is what's killed us this season , with better players in the team , goalie , defenders , possibly with an improvement to midfield i think we wouldn't be to far away from turning some of them draws into wins which would make a massive difference . A few less horrendously bad decisions going against us would also help too abit .

Alot of work to do to the squad though I still think we aren't a million miles away from were we want to be if we give the manager time .

Wither that's going to happen is anyone's guess though.

[GreenCastle]

The only main stats which matter are goals in games and points in the table.

I’ve seen plenty games where teams dominate possession and lose. Football isn’t all about possession or shots on goal.

I agree it can be fine margins and we have been shafted by VAR but not making the top 6 is a total failure.

Hibs should be bringing fresh eyes and ideas with new staff who can get the best out of what we have.

We are currently severely under performing with our resources and while I don’t expect us to win every game I don’t expect managers like Cowie who has managed for 9 games to beat us.

[Winston Ingram]

David Moyes finishing up at WestHam.
I know he’d probably never be interested in Hibs in a million years but hey…..George Best and Frank Sauzee were unexpected too

Hi David. I know you were on £5m a year at West Ham, but how do you fancy coming back up the road for £250k a year?

[JimBHibees]

Hi David. I know you were on £5m a year at West Ham, but how do you fancy coming back up the road for £250k a year?

😄

[easty]

We also had .....

St Johnstone home - 2-0 win 54% possession 17/8 shots while restricting them to one on target.
Dundee home - 0-0 63%possession 23/9 Shots while restricting them to just two on target.
Hertz away - 2-2 more possession spirited comeback.
Celtic home - 0-0 decent result.
St Mirren away - 2-2 unlucky to lose a late penalty.
Killie home - 1-0 53%possession restricted them to one shot on target.
Dundee away - 2-1 win had more possession and played near the last half hour with ten men.
Livvy away 1-0 57% possession .
Celtic home 2-1 loss had more shots than Celtic in total , unlucky due to two penalties while being denied one ourselves.
Aberdeen away - 2-2 decent result , shafted by ref / VAR.
Dundee home - 2-1 win shots 16/9 while restricting them to one shot on target , 60 % possession too .
Hertz away - 1-1 shots 21/6 restricted them to just two shots on target, also shafted again by ref/ VAR .
Ross county - 2-0 65% possession 14/6 shots restricted them to just two on target.
Livvy home - 3-0 win 58% possession . Excellent display of good football first half .

As I said before last season when we finished 5th we lost a total of 16 games and even if we lose our next 3 which i don't think we will we wont surpass that .

Draws is what's killed us this season , with better players in the team , goalie , defenders , possibly with an improvement to midfield i think we wouldn't be to far away from turning some of them draws into wins which would make a massive difference . A few less horrendously bad decisions going against us would also help too abit .

Alot of work to do to the squad though I still think we aren't a million miles away from were we want to be if we give the manager time .

Wither that's going to happen is anyone's guess though.

You don't specifically say it, but is this your attempt at a list of good results??

If you think that's a good list, then no wonder you're happy to stick with Monty as a manager. I'm certain he could provide more of the same going forward.

[Tyler Durden]

You don't specifically say it, but is this your attempt at a list of good results??

If you think that's a good list, then no wonder you're happy to stick with Monty as a manager. I'm certain he could provide more of the same going forward.

Sure it's been a bad season, but at least we'll always have the memories of that 0-0 draw at home to Dundee, where we restricted them to 2 shots on target.

[Hibee Daft]

I don't mind monty leaving on the basis that he knows who he wants and who he doesn't want.

Remember that if a new manager comes in all the usual suspects will be given time to prove themselves.

If monty stays then atleast we can have abit of a clear out of who he doesn't want

[Donegal Hibby]

You don't specifically say it, but is this your attempt at a list of good results??

If you think that's a good list, then no wonder you're happy to stick with Monty as a manager. I'm certain he could provide more of the same going forward.

No I'm not saying that I am saying that they are games were there's been encouraging signs in after another poster picked out the negative ones which even had a couple we were shafted in which imo is abit harsh.

I'm hoping with a chance to take in his own players and have a clear out we could possibly turn some of the draws into wins . I don't think we are a million miles away from that .

Against St Johnstone in the 3-1 game recently I thought we were very good and could have possibly scored 6 or 7 which is something I don't really remember us looking like doing at McDiarmid Park to often.

It of course was put down to being a meaningless game and didn't even register with some .

Though when we lost to Ross county there's a lot more on here demanding the manager gets sacked .

Strange how one game became more important than other when it suits folks motives , isn't it ?

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

No I'm not saying that I am saying that they are games were there's been encouraging signs in after another poster picked out the negative one which even had a couple we were shafted in which imo is abit harsh.

I'm hoping with a chance to take in his own players and have a clear out we could possibly turn some of the draws into wins . I don't think we are a million miles away from that .

Against St Johnstone in the 3-1 game recently I thought we were very good and could have possibly scored 6 or 7 which is something I don't really remember us looking like doing at McDiarmid Park to often.

It of course was put down to being a meaningless game and didn't even register with some .

Though when we lost to Ross county there's a lot more on here demanding the manager gets sacked .

Strange how one game became more important than other when it suits folks motives , isn't it ?

Rightly or wrongly most people expect Hibs to beat both those sides, so a defeat to either is likely to cause a tad more upset than the amount of joy that comes from beating them.

[Donegal Hibby]

Rightly or wrongly most people expect Hibs to beat both those sides, so a defeat to either is likely to cause a tad more upset than the amount of joy that comes from beating them.

So that would possibly mean that they aren't as meaningless and do actually registered with folk even though after the Saints win they said they were ? 🤔 . Seems abit like the goal post get moved abit about the two games though imo.

[matty_f]

So that would possibly mean that they aren't as meaningless and do actually registered with folk even though after the Saints win they said they were ? 🤔 . Seems abit like the goal post get moved abit about the two games though imo.

I think that was always going to happen, given how the season has gone. We're bottom six, we *should* be beating St Johnstone etc and not really be expecting much credit for it.

The fact we're bottom six and losing to Ross County in the manner in which we did is going to get folk wound up.

I can't say any of the reaction was surprising.

[GreenCastle]

I’m still waiting for 3 things Monty has improved if anyone can list them?

[JimBHibees]

No I'm not saying that I am saying that they are games were there's been encouraging signs in after another poster picked out the negative ones which even had a couple we were shafted in which imo is abit harsh.

I'm hoping with a chance to take in his own players and have a clear out we could possibly turn some of the draws into wins . I don't think we are a million miles away from that .

Against St Johnstone in the 3-1 game recently I thought we were very good and could have possibly scored 6 or 7 which is something I don't really remember us looking like doing at McDiarmid Park to often.

It of course was put down to being a meaningless game and didn't even register with some .

Though when we lost to Ross county there's a lot more on here demanding the manager gets sacked .

Strange how one game became more important than other when it suits folks motives , isn't it ?

Tend to agree however the pattern of similar performances and losing a late goal is always going to get a poor reaction. It is quite funny how so many were saying the games don’t matter when we win in Perth though. 😄

[Donegal Hibby]

I think that was always going to happen, given how the season has gone. We're bottom six, we *should* be beating St Johnstone etc and not really be expecting much credit for it.

The fact we're bottom six and losing to Ross County in the manner in which we did is going to get folk wound up.

I can't say any of the reaction was surprising.

Yeah I agree that we should be beating St Johnstone though when the performance was as good as it was maybe we should acknowledge that fact a little bit .

I didn't expect us to win all 5 games and did expect a reaction when we lost one though probably not to the extent it was even with the way our season has went especially after comments of meaningless games that don't even register.

Do understand folk aren't happy though.

[jeffers]

Tend to agree however the pattern of similar performances and losing a late goal is always going to get a poor reaction. It is quite funny how so many were saying the games don’t matter when we win in Perth though. 😄

I don’t think the games matter, the two games before the split did. We came up short. However after a really poor season it stands to reason that those at the club were expecting to see signs of progress in the remaining games from a manager who has ultimately been a big failure. Instead we saw a repeat of what we’ve seen for a large number of games during his tenure.

[Donegal Hibby]

Tend to agree however the pattern of similar performances and losing a late goal is always going to get a poor reaction. It is quite funny how so many were saying the games don’t matter when we win in Perth though. 😄

Since the announcement both Hanlon and Stevenson are leaving at the end of the season 😢, is it a possibility that we are now sticking with Monty rather than giving a new manager the chance to have a look at both of them ?.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I think that was always going to happen, given how the season has gone. We're bottom six, we *should* be beating St Johnstone etc and not really be expecting much credit for it.

The fact we're bottom six and losing to Ross County in the manner in which we did is going to get folk wound up.

I can't say any of the reaction was surprising.

That's pretty much what I said I think, for what it's worth you're quite correct. 🙂