Outcome of the Review

[RIP]

There have been a lot of focus in the media and messageboards on our overall football strategy, coach/player recruitment and the comprehensive review of the entire football operation.

Why do so many fail to mention the 'Root and Branch Review' that the Hibs Board carried out LAST year which resulted in the recruitment of the Director of Football, the change of approach in bringing in a 'different' Head Coach from the A League with a reputation for young player development and a footballing philosophy?

Why go to the lengths of hiring the vastly experienced Brian McDermott only to then airbrush the person charged with improving our football performance out of the picture when fans look back on the reasons for a bottom six finish?

If we need to have a major review every year, how is that providing supporters with confidence that the Board know how to run a football club the size of Hibs?

I'm genuinely seeking views as my confidence in them is waning fast.

[matty_f]

There have been a lot of focus in the media and messageboards on our overall football strategy, coach/player recruitment and the comprehensive review of the entire football operation.

Why do so many fail to mention the 'Root and Branch Review' that the Hibs Board carried out LAST year which resulted in the recruitment of the Director of Football, the change of approach in bringing in a 'different' Head Coach from the A League with a reputation for young player development and a footballing philosophy?

Why go to the lengths of hiring the vastly experienced Brian McDermott only to then airbrush him out of the picture when fans look back on the reasons for a bottom six finish?

If we need to have a major review every year, how is that providing supporters with confidence that the Board know how to run a football club the size of Hibs?

I'm genuinely seeking views as my confidence in them is waning fast.
I think the hope is that this time the review is being done with people who know what good looks like this time.

[ChuckNor]

And people on this site still defend Ben Kensell.

[One Day Soon]

There have been a lot of focus in the media and messageboards on our overall football strategy, coach/player recruitment and the comprehensive review of the entire football operation.

Why do so many fail to mention the 'Root and Branch Review' that the Hibs Board carried out LAST year which resulted in the recruitment of the Director of Football, the change of approach in bringing in a 'different' Head Coach from the A League with a reputation for young player development and a footballing philosophy?

Why go to the lengths of hiring the vastly experienced Brian McDermott only to then airbrush the person charged with improving our football performance out of the picture when fans look back on the reasons for a bottom six finish?

If we need to have a major review every year, how is that providing supporters with confidence that the Board know how to run a football club the size of Hibs?

I'm genuinely seeking views as my confidence in them is waning fast.


Neither of the people who have been in charge - the person with the Chief Executive title and his sidekick who actually exercises the real authority - have the first clue what they have been doing. There has, under their 'leadership', been a catalogue of actions, failures to act and statements on the football side of the club which have both demonstrated how far out of their depth they are and at the same time essentially been a serious of 'get out of jail free' moves to try to massage fan opinion about the catastrophic serial failures on the football side.

My confidence in them isn't now waning, it had already left the building many, many months if not years ago. I'm not sure if it was dodgy player signings, **** managerial picks or the earliest of the Kensall inappropriate public comments that first did it for me, but the rot was in there pretty early on.

[Since452]

I've got a horrible feeling this downward trajectory will end in relegation. We're a complete rudderless ship. Really hope Foley and co can change our fortunes on the park. They need to start with putting the right people in the right positions.

[CockneyRebel]

There have been a lot of focus in the media and messageboards on our overall football strategy, coach/player recruitment and the comprehensive review of the entire football operation.

Why do so many fail to mention the 'Root and Branch Review' that the Hibs Board carried out LAST year which resulted in the recruitment of the Director of Football, the change of approach in bringing in a 'different' Head Coach from the A League with a reputation for young player development and a footballing philosophy?

Why go to the lengths of hiring the vastly experienced Brian McDermott only to then airbrush the person charged with improving our football performance out of the picture when fans look back on the reasons for a bottom six finish?

If we need to have a major review every year, how is that providing supporters with confidence that the Board know how to run a football club the size of Hibs?

I'm genuinely seeking views as my confidence in them is waning fast.


All depends on who is conducting the review. Is it in house or independent?

[LewysGot2]

All depends on who is conducting the review. Is it in house or independent?

BK said inhouse on Monday night

However that will now include Foleys gang

[Joe6-2]

BK said inhouse on Monday night

However that will now include Foleys gang

I bloody hope so

[jamie_1875]

I heard Mark Burchill was helping with the review but he is on his way to Liverpool so may no longer be involved.

[Unseen work]

There have been a lot of focus in the media and messageboards on our overall football strategy, coach/player recruitment and the comprehensive review of the entire football operation.

Why do so many fail to mention the 'Root and Branch Review' that the Hibs Board carried out LAST year which resulted in the recruitment of the Director of Football, the change of approach in bringing in a 'different' Head Coach from the A League with a reputation for young player development and a footballing philosophy?

Why go to the lengths of hiring the vastly experienced Brian McDermott only to then airbrush the person charged with improving our football performance out of the picture when fans look back on the reasons for a bottom six finish?

If we need to have a major review every year, how is that providing supporters with confidence that the Board know how to run a football club the size of Hibs?

I'm genuinely seeking views as my confidence in them is waning fast.

Surely the fact Black Knights are now part of the club and see our failings make it obvious and makes sense why a review is taking place?

[hibee-boys]

A review? What a load of bxxxxxxx! We should be conducting a review on an ongoing basis, total deflection by the board to try and appease the fans, kick the can down the road whilst season tickets are on sale. No doubt we’ll see a director of football come in with a new ‘5 year plan’🥱

[ruthven_raiders]

I heard Mark Burchill was helping with the review but he is on his way to Liverpool so may no longer be involved.

I sen he was chief scout wih Bournemouth so hence his involvement in any review, didn't see anything about moving to Liverpool. Good move for him if true.

[PHeffernan]

A review? What a load of bxxxxxxx! We should be conducting a review on an ongoing basis, total deflection by the board to try and appease the fans, kick the can down the road whilst season tickets are on sale. No doubt we’ll see a director of football come in with a new ‘5 year plan’🥱

Exactly, just trying to put out a fire in the more volatile parts of the support with season ticket sales at stake.

[greenlex]

A review? What a load of bxxxxxxx! We should be conducting a review on an ongoing basis, total deflection by the board to try and appease the fans, kick the can down the road whilst season tickets are on sale. No doubt we’ll see a director of football come in with a new ‘5 year plan’🥱
As a business and club of course we will do it constantly. New minority owners with a bit of clout will enhance it. Pushed up the agenda for the hard of thinking to bring a bit of calm.

[GreenCastle]

Our club severely lacks leadership…

From the top..CEO

The 1st team manager..

The 1st team captain…

It’s all very bland and until we add some leaders and characters to drive standards - we will get same outcomes.

[Victor]

The outcome of the review will probably be “penalty to Rangers”

[RIP]

No disrespect to any of the 15 replies but the lack of reference to last years review or the fact that we have had a Director of Football for over a year hiring the Head Coach and players means that very few fans understand who carries the most direct responsibility for Bottom Six.

Its not Ben. Nor is it Ian.

100% it is the fault of Brian McDermott. Yes they were hired by the Board but after 15 months in the job not to progress the football side of Hibernian FC is down to him.

[ian cruise]

I disagree. Even if we're 3rd in the league and we win a cup, we should hold a review of all activity.

1) What did we do well, and how can we do more of that? OK this season there's not a lot, but there will be a few things such as bringing in Maolida.

2) What did we not do well, why did it not work and how can we avoid that next season? Lots to talk about this season, but even a successful season has lessons learned.

It's not just the footballing front, it's the commercial decisions too. If we want to be a serious force we should always be reviewing our operations otherwise we continue to be a team with peaks and troughs who make the same mistakes year after year.

[The Tubs]

And people on this site still defend Ben Kensell.

If he can get as good a deal for our 20,000 loaned-out players as he got for Melkerson, then we should double his salary.

[matty_f]

No disrespect to any of the 15 replies but the lack of reference to last years review or the fact that we have had a Director of Football for over a year hiring the Head Coach and players means that very few fans understand who carries the can for Bottom Six.

Its not Ben. Nor is it Ian.

100% it is the fault of Brian McDermott
I think Brian is as good as away, would be very surprised if he’s involved in anything other than recruitment going forward.

[B.H.F.C]

No disrespect to any of the 15 replies but the lack of reference to last years review or the fact that we have had a Director of Football for over a year hiring the Head Coach and players means that very few fans understand who carries the most direct responsibility for Bottom Six.

Its not Ben. Nor is it Ian.

100% it is the fault of Brian McDermott. Yes they were hired by the Board but after 15 months in the job not to progress the football side of Hibernian FC is down to him.

Depends on what his responsibilities. From the outside, I’ve never had the feeling that he had the element of control you’d expect a DOF to have.

After a number of failed managerial appointments, if we end up with a failed DOF who is away within a year after making a big thing of changing the structure to bring him in, that hardly reflects well (again) in those at the top of the club.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I think Brian is as good as away, would be very surprised if he’s involved in anything other than recruitment going forward.

Away? I’m surprised and also not.

Brian in the time I heard him seemed to be at pains to say he didn’t like the term DOF. I’d really have hoped he could have as he say freed up the manager to do what he needed to focus on. He seemed to have a lot to offer in terms of wealth of experience and in recruitment.

The one thing I always wonder about is a situation where a person in a prominent role is away from family. That has it limits on the whole for those that have done that can testify.

[Stuart93]

No disrespect to any of the 15 replies but the lack of reference to last years review or the fact that we have had a Director of Football for over a year hiring the Head Coach and players means that very few fans understand who carries the most direct responsibility for Bottom Six.

Its not Ben. Nor is it Ian.

100% it is the fault of Brian McDermott. Yes they were hired by the Board but after 15 months in the job not to progress the football side of Hibernian FC is down to him.

Na. BK and IG can’t get away with not taking any blame.

We were failing before BMcD came in. They had a review and a “restructure” and decided to appoint McDermott which also hasn’t worked.

So how can they be absolved of any blame???

[we are hibs]

Na. BK and IG can’t get away with not taking any blame.

We were failing before BMcD came in. They had a review and a “restructure” and decided to appoint McDermott which also hasn’t worked.

So how can they be absolved of any blame???

They can't. They're up to their necks in it more than anyone imo.

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[Northernhibee]

They can't. They're up to their necks in it more than anyone imo.

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How many in house reviews are required before those commissioning them realise that they maybe to blame?

[MWHIBBIES]

Confidence went when they sacked Ross and hired Maloney and Gary ****ing Caldwell. Utterly mental decision to hire a rookie mid season. Put us back years. I was already very worried when Dempster left.

[Winston Ingram]

Confidence went when they sacked Ross and hired Maloney and Gary ****ing Caldwell. Utterly mental decision to hire a rookie mid season. Put us back years. I was already very worried when Dempster left.

I’d no problem with JR going but the Maloney appointment was utter nuts.

How putting the cones out a couple of times a quarter qualifies you to manage a club Hibs size is crazy thinking.

[bingo70]

I’d no problem with JR going but the Maloney appointment was utter nuts.

How putting the cones out a couple of times a quarter qualifies you to manage a club Hibs size is crazy thinking.

Is he not doing alright for Wigan now?

I agree with the sentiment though, he was a poor choice.

[Winston Ingram]

Is he not doing alright for Wigan now?

I agree with the sentiment though, he was a poor choice.

He’s no ripping up any trees but alright pretty much sums it up.

[McD]

I sen he was chief scout wih Bournemouth so hence his involvement in any review, didn't see anything about moving to Liverpool. Good move for him if true.


There were reports that Richard Hughes is taking him to Liverpool with him, and another guy I think

[jamie_1875]

There were reports that Richard Hughes is taking him to Liverpool with him, and another guy I think

Yea he is going to Liverpool, as I say he was involved and I also believe was involved in appointing Montgomery so maybe it's not a bad thing he may not be involved in the future.

[MWHIBBIES]

No disrespect to any of the 15 replies but the lack of reference to last years review or the fact that we have had a Director of Football for over a year hiring the Head Coach and players means that very few fans understand who carries the most direct responsibility for Bottom Six.

Its not Ben. Nor is it Ian.

100% it is the fault of Brian McDermott. Yes they were hired by the Board but after 15 months in the job not to progress the football side of Hibernian FC is down to him.

So the DoF gets the blame for hiring a crap manager but the CEO and owner take no blame for hiring a crap DoF?

They're all to blame. They're all failing.

[Lago]

Is he not doing alright for Wigan now?

I agree with the sentiment though, he was a poor choice.
Well he's still in a job, so I suppose 🤷

[McD]

Yea he is going to Liverpool, as I say he was involved and I also believe was involved in appointing Montgomery so maybe it's not a bad thing he may not be involved in the future.



Montgomery was appointed months before we were tied up with BKs and Bournemouth, or are you saying that we were heavily in with them even before the news broke and official ties taking place, and they were advising us in September?

[7Hero]

We need the owner away from the football dept. Sure he can get involved but to be the "head of the football department" which he was introduced as at the AGM is not what we need.

Any review of the clubs footballing dept should be highlghting this first and foremost. Get somone in who knows about football matters

[Since452]

So the DoF gets the blame for hiring a crap manager but the CEO and owner take no blame for hiring a crap DoF?

They're all to blame. They're all failing.

Yup. The only review that matters is we finished bottom six. That's all the evidence we need that people are failing in their various roles.

[RIP]

So the DoF gets the blame for hiring a crap manager but the CEO and owner take no blame for hiring a crap DoF?

They're all to blame. They're all failing.

The CEO and owner take responsibility for conducting an Internal Review only to recruit BM who then hired NM and didn't improve either the squad or the style of play.

Yet fans are entrusting them with a second Internal Review and somehow expecting a better outcome.

Madness!!

[joe breezy]

The CEO and owner take responsibility for conducting an Internal Review only to recruit BM who then hired NM and didn't improve either the squad or the style of play.

Yet fans are entrusting them with a second Internal Review and somehow expecting a better outcome.

Madness!!

The review is being done by Black Knights


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[RIP]

The review is being done by Black Knights

If only it was independent

"With that in mind, we will conduct a full review of the Club’s football structure in conjunction with Black Knight Football Club. The review will be a comprehensive evaluation of the entire football operation to ensure we perform at the highest level."

This will be the Black Knights that own Lorient FC. The club that were 7th in their league when the Black Knights took over, havent won a game in whenever, and are a week away from being relegated.

Experts they are not!

[superfurryhibby]

The CEO and owner take responsibility for conducting an Internal Review only to recruit BM who then hired NM and didn't improve either the squad or the style of play.

Yet fans are entrusting them with a second Internal Review and somehow expecting a better outcome.

Madness!!

What would the alternative to this be?

I share your scepticism. The Gordon's ownership has not delivered on the field. Ross's reign had achievement, but that was never built upon. Since then we have gone backwards, whilst squandering significant sums of money on a now bloated playing squad.

[CapitalGreen]

If only it was independent

"With that in mind, we will conduct a full review of the Club’s football structure in conjunction with Black Knight Football Club. The review will be a comprehensive evaluation of the entire football operation to ensure we perform at the highest level."

This will be the Black Knights that own Lorient FC. The club that were 7th in their league when the Black Knights took over, havent won a game in whenever, and are a week away from being relegated.

Experts they are not!

The Black knights don’t own Lorient.

[jeffers]

The Black knights don’t own Lorient.

They don’t own Hibs either but it hasn’t stop multiple posts talking about what they won’t accept at our club, when the evidence so far points to them “accepting” Lorient failing on the pitch. So while the post about them “owning” Lorient wasn’t entirely accurate it doesn’t mean the rest of it was without merit.

[The Tubs]

They don’t own Hibs either but it hasn’t stop multiple posts talking about what they won’t accept at our club, when the evidence so far points to them “accepting” Lorient failing on the pitch. So while the post about them “owning” Lorient wasn’t entirely accurate it doesn’t mean the rest of it was without merit.

What are the internal politics at Lorient? How much influence have Foley and pals had over the football?

I'm praying our executives have realised they don't have a clue about sport and are willing to cede a lot of control in this area to people that do.

[TrinityHFC]

They don’t own Hibs either but it hasn’t stop multiple posts talking about what they won’t accept at our club, when the evidence so far points to them “accepting” Lorient failing on the pitch. So while the post about them “owning” Lorient wasn’t entirely accurate it doesn’t mean the rest of it was without merit.

Lorient are where they pretty much are most of the time. I don’t know enough about what has been done on their infrastructure, coaching and playing staff to assess whether they are being set up for success in the future. They haven’t however suddenly become a failing club. The league is also smaller than it has been which has brought relegation closer for teams generally in those league positions.

[jeffers]

What are the internal politics at Lorient? How much influence have Foley and pals had over the football?

I'm praying our executives have realised they don't have a clue about sport and are willing to cede a lot of control in this area to people that do.

I’ve no idea. All I’m doing is looking at it in very black and white terms. They part own Lorient, who are failing and could well be relegated. They part own Hibs who are also failing, yet we are supposed to believe they won’t accept that with us.

[jeffers]

Lorient are where they pretty much are most of the time. I don’t know enough about what has been done on their infrastructure, coaching and playing staff to assess whether they are being set up for success in the future. They haven’t however suddenly become a failing club. The league is also smaller than it has been which has brought relegation closer for teams generally in those league positions.

As are we.

[TrinityHFC]

As are we.

Yep and from here it would take a few years to consistently pull away from that. I assume the same goes at Lorient where it would also take some time for any investment and other changes to make a material impact.

[bingo70]

It seems to be an open secret that Brian McDermott is moving on from his current role and will be replaced by a technical director.

Should it not be the new technical director conducting this review?

What happens if the review is done and the technical director doesn’t agree with aspects of it? Who trumps who in that scenario?

[jeffers]

It seems to be an open secret that Brian McDermott is moving on from his current role and will be replaced by a technical director.

Should it not be the new technical director conducting this review?

What happens if the review is done and the technical director doesn’t agree with aspects of it? Who trumps who in that scenario?

Imagine the reaction when it’s Ian Gordon who is announced as the technical director. :greengrin

[TrinityHFC]

It seems to be an open secret that Brian McDermott is moving on from his current role and will be replaced by a technical director.

Should it not be the new technical director conducting this review?

What happens if the review is done and the technical director doesn’t agree with aspects of it? Who trumps who in that scenario?

I’d be expecting us to make appointments that are aligned to how we want to operate.

[One Day Soon]

We need the owner away from the football dept. Sure he can get involved but to be the "head of the football department" which he was introduced as at the AGM is not what we need.

Any review of the clubs footballing dept should be highlghting this first and foremost. Get somone in who knows about football matters

Not again. Is this actually true? Every time I think we must have already learned from our mistakes and finally gotten serious about what we are trying to do as a FOOTBALL club something else I wasn’t aware of comes along to demonstrate that no, no we haven’t gotten serious at all.

In what ****ing way does he even remotely have the experience to suggest he is qualified to head the football department of ANY club, let alone one that should be consistently challenging for a top four spot in Scotland’s premier league? If this is true after all that’s gone before it really does demonstrate that power lies with one ill qualified person alone at our club.

[A Hi-Bee]

We need a new 5 year plan, going on 7 or 8?
:thumbsup:

[ancient hibee]

I’ve no idea. All I’m doing is looking at it in very black and white terms. They part own Lorient, who are failing and could well be relegated. They part own Hibs who are also failing, yet we are supposed to believe they won’t accept that with us.

And how are Bournemouth doing? The club they have most influence on.

[jeffers]

And how are Bournemouth doing? The club they have most influence on.

You mean Bournemouth, their priority ?

[greenpaper55]

And how are Bournemouth doing? The club they have most influence on.

Well said, we have been failing for years long before the investment.

[matty_f]

If only it was independent

"With that in mind, we will conduct a full review of the Club’s football structure in conjunction with Black Knight Football Club. The review will be a comprehensive evaluation of the entire football operation to ensure we perform at the highest level."

This will be the Black Knights that own Lorient FC. The club that were 7th in their league when the Black Knights took over, havent won a game in whenever, and are a week away from being relegated.

Experts they are not!

They're minority owners at Lorient, I've tried and tried to find details of work they've forced through there but haven't been able to turn up much at all. Their still majority owned by the owner that they had in place and he still appears to be the decision maker.

[bingo70]

They're minority owners at Lorient, I've tried and tried to find details of work they've forced through there but haven't been able to turn up much at all. Their still majority owned by the owner that they had in place and he still appears to be the decision maker.

Wee bit surprised Lorient haven’t changed their manager if they’ve been as bad as some are suggesting.

Hope this doesn’t meant they’re going to be patient, tolerant owners 😂

[matty_f]

They don’t own Hibs either but it hasn’t stop multiple posts talking about what they won’t accept at our club, when the evidence so far points to them “accepting” Lorient failing on the pitch. So while the post about them “owning” Lorient wasn’t entirely accurate it doesn’t mean the rest of it was without merit.

Lorient's fans have resisted Foley from the start, there's a different climate there altogether and very little information available about Black Knight being involved in running the club.

Here it looks like the owner is actively seeking their input and support, it's a different situation.

[jeffers]

Lorient's fans have resisted Foley from the start, there's a different climate there altogether and very little information available about Black Knight being involved in running the club.

Here it looks like the owner is actively seeking their input and support, it's a different situation.

I’ve never once disputed the fact we got Foley involved because we believe there are benefits that are greater than just a financial contribution. Where I am sceptical is all the assertions about what they “won’t accept” at Hibs as if they have the major say on what happens.

[AlbertK86]

I’ve no idea. All I’m doing is looking at it in very black and white terms. They part own Lorient, who are failing and could well be relegated. They part own Hibs who are also failing, yet we are supposed to believe they won’t accept that with us.

Agree both teams are failing but the big difference for me is Hibs have far more potential in BF and BK eyes to get into a position where they can regularly be qualifying for Europe.

Our league is far easier for us to do that than for L’orient to do so in France.

Likewise you could say in terms of Bournemouth qualifying for Europe regularly is a long way off.

However they have made great strides there so if we are giving them stick re Lorient then surely we have got to recognise the improvement at Bournemouth and give BF credit for that


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[matty_f]

I’ve never once disputed the fact we got Foley involved because we believe there are benefits that are greater than just a financial contribution. Where I am sceptical is all the assertions about what they “won’t accept” at Hibs as if they have the major say on what happens.

Isn't that just folks' opinions about what they think will happen? I have no clue what they'll accept and what they won't but as minority owners it's not really up to them.

[jeffers]

Agree both teams are failing but the big difference for me is Hibs have far more potential in BF and BK eyes to get into a position where they can regularly be qualifying for Europe.

Our league is far easier for us to do that than for L’orient to do so in France.

Likewise you could say in terms of Bournemouth qualifying for Europe regularly is a long way off.

However they have made great strides there so if we are giving them stick re Lorient then surely we have got to recognise the improvement at Bournemouth and give BF credit for that


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They absolutely have done a good/great job at Bournemouth. However Bournemouth are their priority and they are not just minority owners. I see more of a parallel between the situation with us and Lorient as opposed to us and Bournemouth. There is still no assurance they are going to put more money into us, all we had from the AGM is that Ben Kensell had asked the question about them making donations.

[jeffers]

Isn't that just folks' opinions about what they think will happen? I have no clue what they'll accept and what they won't but as minority owners it's not really up to them.

That’s exactly it. And imo I think some are getting a bit carried away about what their involvement will look like, despite what was said at the AGM. In relation to this review they may or may not be leading it, but there’s nothing to say the Gordon family need to act on its findings.

[superfurryhibby]

That’s exactly it. And imo I think some are getting a bit carried away about what their involvement will look like, despite what was said at the AGM. In relation to this review they may or may not be leading it, but there’s nothing to say the Gordon family need to act on its findings.

The dismal on field performance this season has heightened expectations around change and the BK's involvement. There's a few posters talking about it taking several years to undo the mess we're in. Unfortunately, that allows our rivals to continue to forge ahead of us and makes the catch up even harder. Anderson's free cash will help ensure they continue to outspend us, and that's before you add up the difference in league prize money, money from European football and season tickets.

The Gordon's will surely be in control of this review? Given they remain clear majority shareholders, I find it unlikely they will be too critical of their own decision making and the failure of the changes made with the DOF and manager.

[TrinityHFC]

The dismal on field performance this season has heightened expectations around change and the BK's involvement. There's a few posters talking about it taking several years to undo the mess we're in. Unfortunately, that allows our rivals to continue to forge ahead of us and makes the catch up even harder. Anderson's free cash will help ensure they continue to outspend us, and that's before you add up the difference in league prize money, money from European football and season tickets.

The Gordon's will surely be in control of this review? Given they remain clear majority shareholders, I find it unlikely they will be too critical of their own decision making and the failure of the changes made with the DOF and manager.

I think we can take at face value. As a club, we have decided to do a review which will be supported by the investors who as a group run a reasonably successful set of sports teams. As a club we will look at the recommendations as well as the model that was envisaged as being part of a multi team set up and decide on what we think will set us up in the best way possible.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The dismal on field performance this season has heightened expectations around change and the BK's involvement. There's a few posters talking about it taking several years to undo the mess we're in. Unfortunately, that allows our rivals to continue to forge ahead of us and makes the catch up even harder. Anderson's free cash will help ensure they continue to outspend us, and that's before you add up the difference in league prize money, money from European football and season tickets.

The Gordon's will surely be in control of this review? Given they remain clear majority shareholders, I find it unlikely they will be too critical of their own decision making and the failure of the changes made with the DOF and manager.

I don’t really get where the idea it takes years to ‘undo a mess’ comes from.

Hearts got relegated, came back up and have had 3rd, 4th and 3rd again in that time. Kilmarnock went down, looked like they might stay down but sacked their manager, appointed a good one, then came back up and have been on continuous improvement since.

If it takes us years to fix the situation we’re in now, then we’re not doing it right.

[AlbertK86]

They absolutely have done a good/great job at Bournemouth. However Bournemouth are their priority and they are not just minority owners. I see more of a parallel between the situation with us and Lorient as opposed to us and Bournemouth. There is still no assurance they are going to put more money into us, all we had from the AGM is that Ben Kensell had asked the question about them making donations.

Yep I totally get Bournemouth are their priority… massive money in that league.

Hopefully they recognise that outside of the old firm … there is an opportunity to take the best of the rest because as it stands the rest of the league is the weakest I can remember. In my 50 odd years supporting the Hibees.The standard is dire and if they put the right people in place with a bit investment spent wisely there is definitely a good opportunity to seize the initiative


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[jeffers]

Yep I totally get Bournemouth are their priority… massive money in that league.

Hopefully they recognise that outside of the old firm … there is an opportunity to take the best of the rest because as it stands the rest of the league is the weakest I can remember. In my 50 odd years supporting the Hibees.The standard is dire and if they put the right people in place with a bit investment spent wisely there is definitely a good opportunity to seize the initiative


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I agree with that. There is scope to do great things with us for far less of an outlay than is required at Bournemouth. I’m just a pessimist by nature.

[oneone73]

I agree with that. There is scope to do great things with us for far less of an outlay than is required at Bournemouth. I’m just a pessimist by nature.

Hadn't noticed 😉

[superfurryhibby]

I don’t really get where the idea it takes years to ‘undo a mess’ comes from.

Hearts got relegated, came back up and have had 3rd, 4th and 3rd again in that time. Kilmarnock went down, looked like they might stay down but sacked their manager, appointed a good one, then came back up and have been on continuous improvement since.

If it takes us years to fix the situation we’re in now, then we’re not doing it right.

We have a massive squad of players who aren't good enough to take the club forward, that won't be undone without significant financial cost.

Let's face it, we are a total shambles, particularly given that have taken so much money in transfer fees over the past two seasons and spent it so poorly. I for one have no confidence in the current regime and remain sceptical as to the difference the BK investment will make.

Our rivals, ie: Hearts, they have a more solid football and financial foundation to build upon and will remain well ahead of us in terms of spending power as we go into the new season.

Hibs will need to spend wisely and spend plenty, not much to give confidence that we will.

[hibeerealist]

I’ve never once disputed the fact we got Foley involved because we believe there are benefits that are greater than just a financial contribution. Where I am sceptical is all the assertions about what they “won’t accept” at Hibs as if they have the major say on what happens.

Their contribution/ input (financial etc) all been agreed before signing the deal.

[AlbertK86]

I agree with that. There is scope to do great things with us for far less of an outlay than is required at Bournemouth. I’m just a pessimist by nature.

[emoji23][emoji23] Conditioned into us being Hibees [emoji2375][emoji23]


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[Ronniekirk]

I don’t really get where the idea it takes years to ‘undo a mess’ comes from.

Hearts got relegated, came back up and have had 3rd, 4th and 3rd again in that time. Kilmarnock went down, looked like they might stay down but sacked their manager, appointed a good one, then came back up and have been on continuous improvement since.

If it takes us years to fix the situation we’re in now, then we’re not doing it right.
I think it’s clear they haven’t been doing it right for last few years and that’s the worry Can it wrong again on the park and teams with smaller supports and budgets than us will be able stay above us potentially
Add in several other clubs getting new inward investment , and if they get things right it’s harder for us
Our investment has come at a time when the club is in a mess and unable to make the most of it if recruitment remains poor

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think it’s clear they haven’t been doing it right for last few years and that’s the worry Can it wrong again on the park and teams with smaller supports and budgets than us will be able stay above us potentially
Add in several other clubs getting new inward investment , and if they get things right it’s harder for us
Our investment has come at a time when the club is in a mess and unable to make the most of it if recruitment remains poor

I don’t disagree with that, I still don’t think it takes years to fix though, if it’s done right. That’s a big if though and that’s the worry as you say. IF it’s done right, one good window could make a world of difference in this league. It doesn’t need to take 2 or 3 years, if it does then they’re making a mess of it again.

The first thing they should do in the attempt to fix things is get rid of Montgomery.

[matty_f]

I think it’s clear they haven’t been doing it right for last few years and that’s the worry Can it wrong again on the park and teams with smaller supports and budgets than us will be able stay above us potentially
Add in several other clubs getting new inward investment , and if they get things right it’s harder for us
Our investment has come at a time when the club is in a mess and unable to make the most of it if recruitment remains poor

The way I would approach it if I was trying to sort it out would be to work out what's needed for the quick fix that would give everyone at the club the time and space to work on the long term plan.

Just now, what appears to be happening is any long term planning or strategy is getting dropped left, right and centre as we try and paper over cracks.

Get the big decisions with the first team right as fast as you can, then build from there - let's face it, nobody is bothered about anything else if the first team is winning regularly, so it means things like re-structuring departments or building infrastructure can be done without a spotlight on it.

At the minute everything is under the microscope because the team is doing so badly. We can't afford to wait three years for the team to be sorted out, so prioritise that as much as you can whilst still laying the foundations for the long term.

[WhileTheChief..]

What do you mean by having a long term plan?

As in, in 5 years .......?? or 10?? I don't get it. What do you want to see happen over these long time periods?

The quick fix is getting a new manager, followed by better players. That can be done in months. Once you've got them in place what else is there to do?

The manager can build on things in future windows, all the club has to do is back him.

If it's infrastructure, or the development team, or women's football or anything else, then cool. The first team will already have been sorted.

[The Modfather]

What do you mean by having a long term plan?

As in, in 5 years .......?? or 10?? I don't get it. What do you want to see happen over these long time periods?

The quick fix is getting a new manager, followed by better players. That can be done in months. Once you've got them in place what else is there to do?

The manager can build on things in future windows, all the club has to do is back him.

If it's infrastructure, or the development team, or women's football or anything else, then cool. The first team will already have been sorted.

Getting a new manager and throwing money at the squad has seen us tread water for years. Think the manager and players are just a small part of what’s required. We could keep doing what we’re doing and every now and then we’ll stumble upon a good manager or a good team but it never lasts more than a season before crumbling and back to waiting on luck striking again. In comparison Hearts have been 3rd, 4th, 3rd in the same period we have been 7th (I think but can’t be bothered checking), 5th & 7th again at best.

I’d get rid of Montgomery and move any and all players we can with the exception of NMW, Obita and obviously, but unrealistically, Maolida.

Longer term some of the key things I’d look to put in place:

A clear strategy for a pathway for our youngsters. I’d have a 1st pick, a back up and a youngster as 3rd choice for all positions. With the youngsters moving between playing for the youth teams and making the bench when needed. With the standouts at youth level out on loan with a view to becoming the backups the following season and bled in.

I’d have some core playing style principles and recruit managers in line with these. E.g. sign players with a profile of being athletic and having drive. No talented technical players but they are one paced. It being a requirement for central midfield to have energy and drive. A forward suited to playing on his own etc.

A coherent signing strategy. Not just chucking money at good individual players like Vente, or Levitt but it being a conundrum how to actually fit then into a functional, balanced, team. Every signing vetted as to how they compliment the existing players.

Succession planning for both managers and each position. Managers coming in to suit a well developed club style of play. No flip flopping, is there anything consistent in terms of style between Ross, Maloney, Johnson and Montgomery for example.

Basically ask Bournemouth/BK’s either how to do the above or to do it for us.

[Donegal Hibby]

First thing that should be done on the review is to try and figure out what's went so badly wrong on the recruitment side so we can try and fix it to give our manager a better chance to succeed .

Even then when you consider we have 18 players out on loan it still won't be plain sailing until thats sorted too .

Sacking managers repeatedly and major overhauls to the squad every season I don't think has taken us any further forward and won't till we sort other issues first .
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[WhileTheChief..]

Getting a new manager and throwing money at the squad has seen us tread water for years. Think the manager and players are just a small part of what’s required. We could keep doing what we’re doing and every now and then we’ll stumble upon a good manager or a good team but it never lasts more than a season before crumbling and back to waiting on luck striking again. In comparison Hearts have been 3rd, 4th, 3rd in the same period we have been 7th (I think but can’t be bothered checking), 5th & 7th again at best.

I’d get rid of Montgomery and move any and all players we can with the exception of NMW, Obita and obviously, but unrealistically, Maolida.

Longer term some of the key things I’d look to put in place:

A clear strategy for a pathway for our youngsters. I’d have a 1st pick, a back up and a youngster as 3rd choice for all positions. With the youngsters moving between playing for the youth teams and making the bench when needed. With the standouts at youth level out on loan with a view to becoming the backups the following season and bled in.

I’d have some core playing style principles and recruit managers in line with these. E.g. sign players with a profile of being athletic and having drive. No talented technical players but they are one paced. It being a requirement for central midfield to have energy and drive. A forward suited to playing on his own etc.

A coherent signing strategy. Not just chucking money at good individual players like Vente, or Levitt but it being a conundrum how to actually fit then into a functional, balanced, team. Every signing vetted as to how they compliment the existing players.

Succession planning for both managers and each position. Managers coming in to suit a well developed club style of play. No flip flopping, is there anything consistent in terms of style between Ross, Maloney, Johnson and Montgomery for example.

Basically ask Bournemouth/BK’s either how to do the above or to do it for us.

We're pretty much at the end of RGs five year plan but nothing on the pitch has improved.

Put 100% focus on the first team and we might start to improve.

[Hibees1973]

Let's face it. Ever since The Gordons & Kensell arrived it's been a farce on the pitch, which has just got progessively worse.

They should have been constantly reviewing the progress on the pitch on a weekly basis. If they had any class they should have kept this review quiet. However, they decided to announce it. It's like 'look at us, we are trying to fix it'. To be honest I'm expecting nowt from these two, Ian & Ben.

They are the problem, or have been at the root of most of our problems.

Maybe they mean well but they are a couple of charlatans, who cannot be trusted.

[MWHIBBIES]

Let's face it. Ever since The Gordons & Kensell arrived it's been a farce on the pitch, which has just got progessively worse.

They should have been constantly reviewing the progress on the pitch on a weekly basis. If they had any class they should have kept this review quiet. However, they decided to announce it. It's like 'look at us, we are trying to fix it'. To be honest I'm expecting nowt from these two, Ian & Ben.

They are the problem, or have been at the root of most of our problems.

Maybe they mean well but they are a couple of charlatans, who cannot be trusted.

Who hired Ian and Ben?

[stantonhibby]

Let's face it. Ever since The Gordons & Kensell arrived it's been a farce on the pitch, which has just got progessively worse.

They should have been constantly reviewing the progress on the pitch on a weekly basis. If they had any class they should have kept this review quiet. However, they decided to announce it. It's like 'look at us, we are trying to fix it'. To be honest I'm expecting nowt from these two, Ian & Ben.

They are the problem, or have been at the root of most of our problems.

Maybe they mean well but they are a couple of charlatans, who cannot be trusted.

For someone who proclaimed they were out of here until July you're still pretty prolific.....sadly.

[Hibees1973]

Who hired Ian and Ben?

Ron, probably.

Ron did admit to making mistakes and here are two of them.

[ancient hibee]

Getting a new manager and throwing money at the squad has seen us tread water for years. Think the manager and players are just a small part of what’s required. We could keep doing what we’re doing and every now and then we’ll stumble upon a good manager or a good team but it never lasts more than a season before crumbling and back to waiting on luck striking again. In comparison Hearts have been 3rd, 4th, 3rd in the same period we have been 7th (I think but can’t be bothered checking), 5th & 7th again at best.

I’d get rid of Montgomery and move any and all players we can with the exception of NMW, Obita and obviously, but unrealistically, Maolida.

Longer term some of the key things I’d look to put in place:

A clear strategy for a pathway for our youngsters. I’d have a 1st pick, a back up and a youngster as 3rd choice for all positions. With the youngsters moving between playing for the youth teams and making the bench when needed. With the standouts at youth level out on loan with a view to becoming the backups the following season and bled in.

I’d have some core playing style principles and recruit managers in line with these. E.g. sign players with a profile of being athletic and having drive. No talented technical players but they are one paced. It being a requirement for central midfield to have energy and drive. A forward suited to playing on his own etc.

A coherent signing strategy. Not just chucking money at good individual players like Vente, or Levitt but it being a conundrum how to actually fit then into a functional, balanced, team. Every signing vetted as to how they compliment the existing players.

Succession planning for both managers and each position. Managers coming in to suit a well developed club style of play. No flip flopping, is there anything consistent in terms of style between Ross, Maloney, Johnson and Montgomery for example.

Basically ask Bournemouth/BK’s either how to do the above or to do it for us.

Starting a close season/transfer window with no manager and only three first team players isn’t a coherent strategy. It’s lunacy.

[bingo70]

Starting a close season/transfer window with no manager and only three first team players isn’t a coherent strategy. It’s lunacy.

That’s not too far off what Dundee did this season I think and they’re doing alright.

Sure they’ve got 11 players on loan plus some they signed permanently and they sacked their manager after being promoted.

[McD]

Let's face it. Ever since The Gordons & Kensell arrived it's been a farce on the pitch, which has just got progessively worse.

They should have been constantly reviewing the progress on the pitch on a weekly basis. If they had any class they should have kept this review quiet. However, they decided to announce it. It's like 'look at us, we are trying to fix it'. To be honest I'm expecting nowt from these two, Ian & Ben.

They are the problem, or have been at the root of most of our problems.

Maybe they mean well but they are a couple of charlatans, who cannot be trusted.



We’re in a poor place, and have been for a while, but this is just exaggerated moon howling. We finished 3rd in the league under the Gordon regime. We’ve had an outstanding European result under the Gordons and Kensell. We’ve reached multiple cup finals under the Gordons. It’s been decidedly **** for the last few years, Luzerne aside, but to say it’s gotten progressively worse is just demonstrably untrue.

[Ringothedog]

Ron, probably.

Ron did admit to making mistakes and here are two of them.

You really do hate the Gordon’s and are totally unwilling to see the good things the current owners have done for my club. Yes things have been poor for a couple of seasons but this has been a constant for most of our history. Stop whining in every post, we know where you stand and it really is tiresome when you repeat yourself again and again and again and again

[Stuart93]

We’re in a poor place, and have been for a while, but this is just exaggerated moon howling. We finished 3rd in the league under the Gordon regime. We’ve had an outstanding European result under the Gordons and Kensell. We’ve reached multiple cup finals under the Gordons. It’s been decidedly **** for the last few years, Luzerne aside, but to say it’s gotten progressively worse is just demonstrably untrue.

We have started getting progressively worse since we finished 3rd tbf.

[Stuart93]

You really do hate the Gordon’s and are totally unwilling to see the good things the current owners have done for my club. Yes things have been poor for a couple of seasons but this has been a constant for most of our history. Stop whining in every post, we know where you stand and it really is tiresome when you repeat yourself again and again and again and again

They’ve done good off the pitch despite racking up a huge loss.

People are allowed to moan about the state of things on the pitch imo and us being constantly pish throughout most of our history isn’t a reason for fans not to be pissed off by the way things are right now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We’re in a poor place, and have been for a while, but this is just exaggerated moon howling. We finished 3rd in the league under the Gordon regime. We’ve had an outstanding European result under the Gordons and Kensell. We’ve reached multiple cup finals under the Gordons. It’s been decidedly **** for the last few years, Luzerne aside, but to say it’s gotten progressively worse is just demonstrably untrue.

Is the fact we finished third etc before but have then got **** not a demonstrable sign it’s getting progressively worse? :confused:

[Forza Fred]

Let's face it. Ever since The Gordons & Kensell arrived it's been a farce on the pitch, which has just got progessively worse.

They should have been constantly reviewing the progress on the pitch on a weekly basis. If they had any class they should have kept this review quiet. However, they decided to announce it. It's like 'look at us, we are trying to fix it'. To be honest I'm expecting nowt from these two, Ian & Ben.

They are the problem, or have been at the root of most of our problems.

Maybe they mean well but they are a couple of charlatans, who cannot be trusted.

Phew!

Thought for a moment you were going to post without having a go at the Gordons and Kensell.


Its not healthy to work them into nearly every post...its bordering on an obsession.

[Chorley Hibee]

Phew!

Thought for a moment you were going to post without having a go at the Gordons and Kensell.


Its not healthy to work them into nearly every post...its bordering on an obsession.

They're the constant in the litany of failed appointments and continued failure on the pitch.

All whilst hemorrhaging money at a rate of knots.

Their latest failure looks to be persisting with a guy miles out of his depth.

Things are going to turn toxic.

[Unseen work]

Is there anymore word of Malky Mackay rumours/joining?

Was at a game recently with board members and then not long after it was announced we would have a review/technical direction joining.

He was technical director for the SFA for a while.

[Allant1981]

Let's face it. Ever since The Gordons & Kensell arrived it's been a farce on the pitch, which has just got progessively worse.

They should have been constantly reviewing the progress on the pitch on a weekly basis. If they had any class they should have kept this review quiet. However, they decided to announce it. It's like 'look at us, we are trying to fix it'. To be honest I'm expecting nowt from these two, Ian & Ben.

They are the problem, or have been at the root of most of our problems.

Maybe they mean well but they are a couple of charlatans, who cannot be trusted.

Did you not say a few weeks ago you were done with hibs for the rest of the season so wouldn't be posting any longer

[Lago]

They're the constant in the litany of failed appointments and continued failure on the pitch.

All whilst hemorrhaging money at a rate of knots.

Their latest failure looks to be persisting with a guy miles out of his depth.

Things are going to turn toxic.
They aren't all ready toxic:rolleyes:

[Lago]

Did you not say a few weeks ago you were done with hibs for the rest of the season so wouldn't be posting any longer
We live in hope :agree:

[I'm Spartacus]

There have been a lot of focus in the media and messageboards on our overall football strategy, coach/player recruitment and the comprehensive review of the entire football operation.

Why do so many fail to mention the 'Root and Branch Review' that the Hibs Board carried out LAST year which resulted in the recruitment of the Director of Football, the change of approach in bringing in a 'different' Head Coach from the A League with a reputation for young player development and a footballing philosophy?

Why go to the lengths of hiring the vastly experienced Brian McDermott only to then airbrush the person charged with improving our football performance out of the picture when fans look back on the reasons for a bottom six finish?

If we need to have a major review every year, how is that providing supporters with confidence that the Board know how to run a football club the size of Hibs?

I'm genuinely seeking views as my confidence in them is waning fast.

A review of the review :confused::rolleyes:

Hopefully BK can see that BK is full to the brim of ***** (read that whichever BK works for you).

See in August when the whistle sounds on the first kick of the new season, if Ben K is still in that stand then we will continue to be a complete failure on the pitch. "Yeah but the hospitality..." If that's his gig then he should go and run Le Monde.

[McD]

We have started getting progressively worse since we finished 3rd tbf.


I agree



Is the fact we finished third etc before but have then got **** not a demonstrable sign it’s getting progressively worse? :confused:


I agree. The point I was disputing is that we’ve gotten progressively worse since the Gordons and Kensell came in. We demonstrably have not. We improved, finished third, then we have gotten worse since then, which is really poor given we should have strengthened from there, not collapsed as we have.

[ancient hibee]

There’s a lot of confusion about this. It is not a review. It is a revue . A Hall is being booked for two weeks during the Fringe. Tickets are reasonably priced at £25 with a reduction of £1 for season ticket holders. Get your season ticket now and enjoy an instant reward.

[Rick Rude]

I agree





I agree. The point I was disputing is that we’ve gotten progressively worse since the Gordons and Kensell came in. We demonstrably have not. We improved, finished third, then we have gotten worse since then, which is really poor given we should have strengthened from there, not collapsed as we have.

Think we've finished 3rd about 4 times in the last 30 years and each time has been followed by a spiral back into mediocrity or worse. Not saying it's acceptable but do find it bizarre people act like this is something new since the Gordons/Kensell came in.

[WhileTheChief..]

It's not that people think its something new - it's because RGs vision and stated aim for each season was to finish top 4 and qualify for Europe.

We're waiting for them to deliver that consistently, not to emulate the past 100+ years.

If we wanted to plod along as we had been, we could have done that without RG getting involved, We were really good at it.

[superfurryhibby]

Think we've finished 3rd about 4 times in the last 30 years and each time has been followed by a spiral back into mediocrity or worse. Not saying it's acceptable but do find it bizarre people act like this is something new since the Gordons/Kensell came in.

Heightened expectations, based the words of our current ownership?

We didn't get rich American ownership and then some billionaire sports group investing so we could remain pish, so not very bizarre really.

[Rumble de Thump]

Heightened expectations, based the words of our current ownership?

We didn't get rich American ownership and then some billionaire sports group investing so we could remain pish, so not very bizarre really.

It's something that has to be worked towards. It was always likely to take time, and various aspects of the club would need to be gradually improved along the way with the management not always getting everything right first time. It was never going to just happen, and the people who thought it would were always going to be disappointed.

[CB Hibs 68]

There’s a lot of confusion about this. It is not a review. It is a revue . A Hall is being booked for two weeks during the Fringe. Tickets are reasonably priced at £25 with a reduction of £1 for season ticket holders. Get your season ticket now and enjoy an instant reward.

The only post recently that hits the Nail on the head .I doff my cap to a bit of humour rather than the tortured analysis that is all over this place..Thank you

[snedzuk]

Getting a new manager and throwing money at the squad has seen us tread water for years. Think the manager and players are just a small part of what’s required. We could keep doing what we’re doing and every now and then we’ll stumble upon a good manager or a good team but it never lasts more than a season before crumbling and back to waiting on luck striking again. In comparison Hearts have been 3rd, 4th, 3rd in the same period we have been 7th (I think but can’t be bothered checking), 5th & 7th again at best.

I’d get rid of Montgomery and move any and all players we can with the exception of NMW, Obita and obviously, but unrealistically, Maolida.

Longer term some of the key things I’d look to put in place:

A clear strategy for a pathway for our youngsters. I’d have a 1st pick, a back up and a youngster as 3rd choice for all positions. With the youngsters moving between playing for the youth teams and making the bench when needed. With the standouts at youth level out on loan with a view to becoming the backups the following season and bled in.

I’d have some core playing style principles and recruit managers in line with these. E.g. sign players with a profile of being athletic and having drive. No talented technical players but they are one paced. It being a requirement for central midfield to have energy and drive. A forward suited to playing on his own etc.

A coherent signing strategy. Not just chucking money at good individual players like Vente, or Levitt but it being a conundrum how to actually fit then into a functional, balanced, team. Every signing vetted as to how they compliment the existing players.

Succession planning for both managers and each position. Managers coming in to suit a well developed club style of play. No flip flopping, is there anything consistent in terms of style between Ross, Maloney, Johnson and Montgomery for example.

Basically ask Bournemouth/BK’s either how to do the above or to do it for us.

What you've laid out here is almost exactly what LD laid out at the first working together group - the only difference I can recall was an extra 3 players so she had 11 first team, 11 back up, 11 youth plus 3 'as required'.

[Winston Ingram]

Did they give a date when this review is to be completed?

[JohnM1875]

Did they give a date when this review is to be completed?

End of May or early June if I’m not mistaken.

[bingo70]

End of May or early June if I’m not mistaken.

So 2 or 3 weeks into preseason? How long is our off-season this year again before players return for training? Is it not only about 5-6 weeks?

[JohnM1875]

So 2 or 3 weeks into preseason? How long is our off-season this year again before players return for training? Is it not only about 5-6 weeks?

Aye it’s crazy, I agree. Which is why I think those involved already know the outcome.

Can’t see it being anything other than Montgomery given time and a window. Which I’m not fully onboard with.

[Heisenberg]

Aye it’s crazy, I agree. Which is why I think those involved already know the outcome.

Can’t see it being anything other than Montgomery given time and a window. Which I’m not fully onboard with.

Yeah I think so too. They’ve decided to keep him and will communicate that once the season is done and no stick can be dished out at the stadiums. Hope folk calm down over the summer and we come back and win games early doors in the league cup and league.

[Contador]

I don’t disagree with that, I still don’t think it takes years to fix though, if it’s done right. That’s a big if though and that’s the worry as you say. IF it’s done right, one good window could make a world of difference in this league. It doesn’t need to take 2 or 3 years, if it does then they’re making a mess of it again.

The first thing they should do in the attempt to fix things is get rid of Montgomery.

Appointing a new manager allows the opportunity to galvanise the squad and the support. Things can turn around quickly and once results are there suddenly the heat is off those at the top.

The issue that we have is that the majority of the support are running out of steam and enthusiasm for yet another rebuild under a new manager which may or may not work out. Its like chucking darts and hoping it works out. Killie, St Mirren and Dundee all have much smaller budgets than ours yet decent managers have managed to get them on track and each have had a better season than us.

Our problem is compounded by the fact that Hearts are in a good state financially and getting stronger with 3rd place, 2 semi finals and European groups next season.

Theres not much more we can do than get rid if Monty, and trust those in charge find the right man to get us hitting the ground running next season

[B.H.F.C]

So 2 or 3 weeks into preseason? How long is our off-season this year again before players return for training? Is it not only about 5-6 weeks?

Our season starts weekend of Saturday 13th July. None of this pish about the League Cup being pre season. It’s not, it’s serious stuff as we found out two years ago.

[bingo70]

Aye it’s crazy, I agree. Which is why I think those involved already know the outcome.

Can’t see it being anything other than Montgomery given time and a window. Which I’m not fully onboard with.

I was leaning towards believing that but after reading Monty’s press conference yesterday I’m not so sure.

He thinks Marshall’s the best keeper in the league but we’ve not spoken to him yet despite the season ending in just over a week.

He thinks Alf will probably move on but no concrete decision made yet, season ends in just over a week!

Things are happening with the Bournemouth link up but he’s not involved in the discussions.

Doesn’t strike me as a manager who is too heavily involved in the preparation for next season.

[Unseen work]

Appointing a new manager allows the opportunity to galvanise the squad and the support. Things can turn around quickly and once results are there suddenly the heat is off those at the top.

The issue that we have is that the majority of the support are running out of steam and enthusiasm for yet another rebuild under a new manager which may or may not work out. Its like chucking darts and hoping it works out. Killie, St Mirren and Dundee all have much smaller budgets than ours yet decent managers have managed to get them on track and each have had a better season than us.

Our problem is compounded by the fact that Hearts are in a good state financially and getting stronger with 3rd place, 2 semi finals and European groups next season.

Theres not much more we can do than get rid if Monty, and trust those in charge find the right man to get us hitting the ground running next season

This is my worry

We spend months, energy, resource and money backing Monty all summer only for the results to start off poor and we sack him

A lot of the fans have already gone and it will take alot to get them back onside. Not a 3-1 win over st Johnstone in the bottom 6 now and again.

[jeffers]

I was leaning towards believing that but after reading Monty’s press conference yesterday I’m not so sure.

He thinks Marshall’s the best keeper in the league but we’ve not spoken to him yet despite the season ending in just over a week.

He thinks Alf will probably move on but no concrete decision made yet, season ends in just over a week!

Things are happening with the Bournemouth link up but he’s not involved in the discussions.

Doesn’t strike me as a manager who is too heavily involved in the preparation for next season.

Nothing he said gave me any confidence whatsoever. It’s so vague. Like you say re ALF, it’s unlikely there will be another contract offer ? Surely to F you know one way or another. And if he thinks Marshall has been one of the best keepers in the league this season, then there is no way I’d trust his judgement on signing anyone else.

Please put us out of our misery and get shot of him.

[bingo70]

Nothing he said gave me any confidence whatsoever. It’s so vague. Like you say re ALF, it’s unlikely there will be another contract offer ? Surely to F you know one way or another. And if he thinks Marshall has been one of the best keepers in the league this season, then there is no way I’d trust his judgement on signing anyone else.

Please put us out of our misery and get shot of him.

I’m on the same side of the fence as you but I’m happy to give him the benefit of the doubt if that’s what the club decide to do.

What I really want though is clarity so we can prepare for next season properly. Right now, we don’t know who the manager will be, the current manager doesn’t appear to know what players will be staying, we don’t know who the director of football is staying, we’ve heard rumours of a technical director coming in, what will that entail and should they be planning for next season now? There’s an ongoing internal review due to be completed mid way through our pre-season, we have a partnership with Bournemouth but the current manager isn’t involved in the discussions about how that will effect the summer.

Whole place just seems like we are in utter chaos and the season ends in a week or so.

To be fair, things can change quickly with a few good appointments, we just need it to happen now.

[jeffers]

I’m on the same side of the fence as you but I’m happy to give him the benefit of the doubt if that’s what the club decide to do.

What I really want though is clarity so we can prepare for next season properly. Right now, we don’t know who the manager will be, the current manager doesn’t appear to know what players will be staying, we don’t know who the director of football is staying, we’ve heard rumours of a technical director coming in, what will that entail and should they be planning for next season now? There’s an ongoing internal review due to be completed mid way through our pre-season, we have a partnership with Bournemouth but the current manager isn’t involved in the discussions about how that will effect the summer.

Whole place just seems like we are in utter chaos and the season ends in a week or so.

To be fair, things can change quickly with a few good appointments, we just need it to happen now.

There are zero football reasons for keeping him imo. It’s either a reluctance to “sack another manager” or the financial implications of doing so that are meaning it hasn’t happened already. He’s shown nothing to suggest it’s going to improve if we stick by him and it’s wishful thinking on the behalf of anyone who believes otherwise.

Like you say though it’s clarity we need, one way or another regarding his future. If we do end up sacking him at the end of the season then it’s been a wasted month or so that we could have used bringing in a new man and giving him time to assess things before the summer break. My worry is they are treating us all like mugs and have decided to stick by him but don’t want to say anything until the games are over for fear of the reaction.

It looks like an utter shambles. No wonder opposition fans mock us with the Hibs are falling apart song. It’s hard to argue with that sentiment.

[Brightside]

There are zero football reasons for keeping him imo. It’s either a reluctance to “sack another manager” or the financial implications of doing so that are meaning it hasn’t happened already. He’s shown nothing to suggest it’s going to improve if we stick by him and it’s wishful thinking on the behalf of anyone who believes otherwise.

Like you say though it’s clarity we need, one way or another regarding his future. If we do end up sacking him at the end of the season then it’s been a wasted month or so that we could have used bringing in a new man and giving him time to assess things before the summer break. My worry is they are treating us all like mugs and have decided to stick by him but don’t want to say anything until the games are over for fear of the reaction.

It looks like an utter shambles. No wonder opposition fans mock us with the Hibs are falling apart song. It’s hard to argue with that sentiment.

He’s staying and he’s made it very clear what’s going to change for next season. Time to move on now.

[BILLYHIBS]

There are zero football reasons for keeping him imo. It’s either a reluctance to “sack another manager” or the financial implications of doing so that are meaning it hasn’t happened already. He’s shown nothing to suggest it’s going to improve if we stick by him and it’s wishful thinking on the behalf of anyone who believes otherwise.

Like you say though it’s clarity we need, one way or another regarding his future. If we do end up sacking him at the end of the season then it’s been a wasted month or so that we could have used bringing in a new man and giving him time to assess things before the summer break. My worry is they are treating us all like mugs and have decided to stick by him but don’t want to say anything until the games are over for fear of the reaction.

It looks like an utter shambles. No wonder opposition fans mock us with the Hibs are falling apart song. It’s hard to argue with that sentiment.

The longer this is dragging on I am starting to fear that Brightside is correct and he is staying

Look the Emperor has got no clothes !

[Brightside]

Nothing he said gave me any confidence whatsoever. It’s so vague. Like you say re ALF, it’s unlikely there will be another contract offer ? Surely to F you know one way or another. And if he thinks Marshall has been one of the best keepers in the league this season, then there is no way I’d trust his judgement on signing anyone else.

Please put us out of our misery and get shot of him.

Alf is going. marsh is going. These things will be announced by the club in the correct manner and not at a managers press conference. There is zero wrong with anything he’s said in the press conference but we too many are now looking for issues in everything he says. Move on.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He’s staying and he’s made it very clear what’s going to change for next season. Time to move on now.

He’s not staying.

[jeffers]

He’s staying and he’s made it very clear what’s going to change for next season. Time to move on now.

You must be reading something else, because other than getting rid of a number of players I see nothing clear about what’s going to change for next season. The only moving on I will be doing is to other activities if we stick with him for another season.

[bingo70]

He’s staying and he’s made it very clear what’s going to change for next season. Time to move on now.

With the greatest of respect Brightside (which really means **** you brightside 😂), there’s no way you can know that.

I can quite believe he thinks he’s staying and is planning for it. Ben Kensell might even think he is staying, if the Black knights have other ideas, he’ll be away.

[Brightside]

With the greatest of respect Brightside (which really means **** you brightside 😂), there’s no way you can know that.

I can quite believe he thinks he’s staying and is planning for it. Ben Kensell might even think he is staying, if the Black knights have other ideas, he’ll be away.

He is actively involved in the trimming of the squad and the hiring of new recruits. If he's doing that and still going to get fired then things have really gone bat **** crazy.

[Greenio]

I think he's staying.

The review was/is pr.

If he was going they would have pulled the plug after we never made top 6.

Personally, I'm ok with it. Sick to death with back to square one.

Not the start anyone wanted but let's see what stability brings us, sure as **** the alternative hasn't worked.

[Brightside]

You must be reading something else, because other than getting rid of a number of players I see nothing clear about what’s going to change for next season. The only moving on I will be doing is to other activities if we stick with him for another season.

He's going to concentrate on the first team.. Build a squad of 20 to 24. A strong bench and enough cover to handle international and some injuries. Getting rid of the whole development squad idea, and project players. You don't get the guy doing that if you are in any doubt about him staying next year.

[Aldo]

He is actively involved in the trimming of the squad and the hiring of new recruits. If he's doing that and still going to get fired then things have really gone bat **** crazy.

Tbh Brightside the trimming of the squad is really easy. Not difficult to pick 3/4 names of those staying and bin the rest!

[Unseen work]

Tbh Brightside the trimming of the squad is really easy. Not difficult to pick 3/4 names of those staying and bin the rest!

Yep, the state of our squad he could genuinely get rid of 20 players with absolutely 0 negative impact on the squad / future manager

[Donegal Hibby]

I think he's staying.

The review was/is pr.

If he was going they would have pulled the plug after we never made top 6.

Personally, I'm ok with it. Sick to death with back to square one.

Not the start anyone wanted but let's see what stability brings us, sure as **** the alternative hasn't worked.

:agree:

[bingo70]

He's going to concentrate on the first team.. Build a squad of 20 to 24. A strong bench and enough cover to handle international and some injuries. Getting rid of the whole development squad idea, and project players. You don't get the guy doing that if you are in any doubt about him staying next year.

He’s said himself he’s not done that though. It’s getting done at the end of the season.

He’s not spoke to the senior players about them leaving since January and as he said yesterday, nothing is set in stone yet as to who is leaving, apart from Stevenson and Hanlon.

I don’t doubt the powers that be will be asking his opinion on players, that’s a long way from being deep in preparations for next season.

[superfurryhibby]

It's something that has to be worked towards. It was always likely to take time, and various aspects of the club would need to be gradually improved along the way with the management not always getting everything right first time. It was never going to just happen, and the people who thought it would were always going to be disappointed.

We're already five years into the Gordon ownership, there was expectation that freedom from the Petrie financial stewardship would have brought benefits that haven't been realised. Then along comes the BK group and expectations are raised again. I could have happened if the people running the club had got their football strategy right, perhaps adequately backed the manager that obtained third place and two cup finals for example? Instead we got a bizarre moneyball approach that has left a legacy of crap players on long contracts and going to cost a lot to say good riddance

If they don't get it right this coming season then they will feel the pinch. Those corporate facilities won't reap the dividend they hoped for and the good will or what's left will evaporate.

[jeffers]

Tbh Brightside the trimming of the squad is really easy. Not difficult to pick 3/4 names of those staying and bin the rest!

:agree: Probably one of us could make a pretty good call about who to get rid of. I know Brightside is convinced he’s staying. I’m not. I also remember letting Butcher cull the squad and him being emptied not long after.

[supermcginn]

So if we lose the next 3 games he'll still be here? Absolutely no chance, I think he's on the brink and defeat on Sunday will finish him, the fans will turn big time.

[Paulie Walnuts]

:agree: Probably one of us could make a pretty good call about who to get rid of. I know Brightside is convinced he’s staying. I’m not. I also remember letting Butcher cull the squad and him being emptied not long after.

:agree:

There’s absolutely nothing to suggest he’s staying other than the fact he has a contract for a further 2 years. Nothing else that’s going on at the club at this point in time is an indication that he’ll be here next season, it’s simply a manager who’s still currently in post doing the job he’s being paid to do.

I’ve still little doubt he’ll be sacked. It’s the only logical outcome.

[Brightside]

:agree:

There’s absolutely nothing to suggest he’s staying other than the fact he has a contract for a further 2 years. Nothing else that’s going on at the club at this point in time is an indication that he’ll be here next season, it’s simply a manager who’s still currently in post doing the job he’s being paid to do.

I’ve still little doubt he’ll be sacked. It’s the only logical outcome.

When we announce a couple of new signings will that convince you he's staying?

[MelbourneHibees]

If we are using the post split games to determine whether or not NM merits another crack at the whip then that says everything about the top brass.
Using pointless games against teams with mostly nothing to play for to see if a manager should or shouldn't stick around.

He should have been sacked pre split. If he ends up sacked at the end of the season then Hibs have will have wasted nearly 2 months in time to find a replacement and get them settled in for preseason.

[Donegal Hibby]

Tbh Brightside the trimming of the squad is really easy. Not difficult to pick 3/4 names of those staying and bin the rest!

Won't be that easy especially if some are under contract . Doubt its a case of just binning the rest .

[B.H.F.C]

Nothing he said gave me any confidence whatsoever. It’s so vague. Like you say re ALF, it’s unlikely there will be another contract offer ? Surely to F you know one way or another. And if he thinks Marshall has been one of the best keepers in the league this season, then there is no way I’d trust his judgement on signing anyone else.

Please put us out of our misery and get shot of him.

To be fair, maybe Montgomery is only in a position to be vague. He probably needs clarity as much as we do. The whole thing just stinks and I have a horrible feeling we’re just wasting time because those at the top don’t have a clue what they’re doing.

[bingo70]

When we announce a couple of new signings will that convince you he's staying?

It won’t convince me.

I want clarity from the club, it’s easy and common for clubs to sign players now that may not come from the manager.

That statement created uncertainty over the managers position, if they stick with him then fine, that needs to be made clear that’s happening though.

[bingo70]

To be fair, maybe Montgomery is only in a position to be vague. He probably needs clarity as much as we do. The whole thing just stinks and I have a horrible feeling we’re just wasting time because those at the top don’t have a clue what they’re doing.

It wouldn’t surprise me if we have identified our new manager already and working with him in the background.

If we do let Monty go, I doubt there’ll be a 2 or 3 week wait for his replacement. I think we’ll either stick with him or already have his replacement lined up.

Who’s the Bournemouth B team manager? 😜

[we are hibs]

If we are using the post split games to determine whether or not NM merits another crack at the whip then that says everything about the top brass.
Using pointless games against teams with mostly nothing to play for to see if a manager should or shouldn't stick around.

He should have been sacked pre split. If he ends up sacked at the end of the season then Hibs have will have wasted nearly 2 months in time to find a replacement and get them settled in for preseason.I agree with you. Said this at the time. If they aren't going to keep him it makes absolutely no sense in giving him these pointless games. They may as well have let Gray take them.

The only other thing that would make any sense if they end up sacking him after the last game rather than before is if there is some kind of break clause that can only be triggered at the end of the season.


I just don't envisage any scenario that doesn't end with the manager being sacked. Whether it's the end of the season or the start of next. He's now always going to be one defeat away from folk demanding hes sacked (rightly or wrongly). It happened with Johnson too. It's not a healthy or sustainable situation.

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[superfurryhibby]

When we announce a couple of new signings will that convince you he's staying?

How much input do you imagine Monty has around signings? If they are guys with clear connection to him, players that played for him etc, then that would seem an indicator that he stays.

The obvious risk is that we start next season poorly, he gets sacked and then the last remnants of boardroom credibility are shot to pieces.

[One Day Soon]

He is actively involved in the trimming of the squad and the hiring of new recruits. If he's doing that and still going to get fired then things have really gone bat **** crazy.

Things absolutely HAVE gone bat**** crazy. Our club is run by people who literally do not know what they are doing.

The only way the support will 'move on' is if things are seen to be materially different from the utter garbage we have been fed to date. That means complete transformation of a combination of; first team, squad, results, playing style, managerial performance, leadership of the club at every level. Right now the club is one game away from crisis every time we play. That cannot continue. If it does we will be playing in a library of a stadium.

[jeffers]

To be fair, maybe Montgomery is only in a position to be vague. He probably needs clarity as much as we do. The whole thing just stinks and I have a horrible feeling we’re just wasting time because those at the top don’t have a clue what they’re doing.

He could have been specific re ALF though. The decision, which I don’t believe was his, was to reduce the overall age of the squad. So he knows what’s happening with ALF and so does the player.

Sadly I agree with you re your last paragraph. As I said they are treating us like absolute mugs.

[Alex Trager]

He’s staying and he’s made it very clear what’s going to change for next season. Time to move on now.

What’s going to change next season?

[Paulie Walnuts]

How much input do you imagine Monty has around signings? If they are guys with clear connection to him, players that played for him etc, then that would seem an indicator that he stays.

The obvious risk is that we start next season poorly, he gets sacked and then the last remnants of boardroom credibility are shot to pieces.

This is where I am.

If we go out and sign a couple guys he’s worked with previously etc, then I’ll start to be concerned that he’ll still be our manager next season.

If we go out and, for example, sign the Killie goalie who is on loan from Bournemouth, then I don’t think that tells us much at all.

I’m still convinced he’ll be gone. He’s been a complete and utter failure, so it’s the only sensible outcome.

[Aldo]

Won't be that easy especially if some are under contract . Doubt its a case of just binning the rest .

Whilst they maybe under contract I’d rather agree to pay offs rather than keep them. Yes I know it’ll cost but the amount of players that have less than zero impact is unbelievable.

If they are happy to sit then so be it but they get nowhere near the first team training etc.

Harsh, very harsh yes but needs must. They’ll still get paid but won’t feature because they are not at a level of player required to take us forward.

I think we’d maybe put together a 5 a side team just now.

Just where I am at with it all.

[One Day Soon]

He's going to concentrate on the first team.. Build a squad of 20 to 24. A strong bench and enough cover to handle international and some injuries. Getting rid of the whole development squad idea, and project players. You don't get the guy doing that if you are in any doubt about him staying next year.

That would be a core part of the job description for anyone in the manager's role. It has been blindingly obvious for several seasons that this was needed. If he's in post he should certainly have started work on it no matter how good or bad a manager he is. Whether he will be the one to continue and complete it is another matter altogether.

[Real Emerald]

I agree with you. Said this at the time. If they aren't going to keep him it makes absolutely no sense in giving him these pointless games. They may as well have let Gray take them.

The only other thing that would make any sense if they end up sacking him after the last game rather than before is if there is some kind of break clause that can only be triggered at the end of the season.


I just don't envisage any scenario that doesn't end with the manager being sacked. Whether it's the end of the season or the start of next. He's now always going to be one defeat away from folk demanding hes sacked (rightly or wrongly). It happened with Johnson too. It's not a healthy or sustainable situation.

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That is the problem, the first blip he has the fans will turn on him. He has no credit in the bank and the vast majority of the people I speak to don’t think he has a clue what he’s doing and never will. No matter what way you look at it keeping him would be a disaster waiting to happen next season.

The only thing going through my mind that could save him is he appears very gullible and I think the board and owners like that. A strong manager wouldn’t be manipulated and lose control to them and I think they like the control.

[One Day Soon]

When we announce a couple of new signings will that convince you he's staying?

Ian Gordon for some reason thinks he can pick players so, no.

[Aldo]

This is where I am.

If we go out and sign a couple guys he’s worked with previously etc, then I’ll start to be concerned that he’ll still be our manager next season.

If we go out and, for example, sign the Killie goalie who is on loan from Bournemouth, then I don’t think that tells us much at all.

I’m still convinced he’ll be gone. He’s been a complete and utter failure, so it’s the only reasonable outcome.

I think the alarm bells were ringing when we needed an experienced CH and his no 1 target was a 20 year old with 58 first team games.

His continued stubbornness to play a system the players couldn’t adapt to and his ponderous tedious build up play had us sussed out even before a ball was kicked.

Not making top 6 was the final blow for me. Tbh even if we made top 6 I’d still be concerned.

[Brightside]

How much input do you imagine Monty has around signings? If they are guys with clear connection to him, players that played for him etc, then that would seem an indicator that he stays.

The obvious risk is that we start next season poorly, he gets sacked and then the last remnants of boardroom credibility are shot to pieces.

2 scottish prem players that he has reviewed / watched. Expect that announcement before end of season.

Decisions have also already been made on other first team players. That will be announced by the club not via the managers Q&A for Aberdeen.

[Alex Trager]

:agree:

There’s absolutely nothing to suggest he’s staying other than the fact he has a contract for a further 2 years. Nothing else that’s going on at the club at this point in time is an indication that he’ll be here next season, it’s simply a manager who’s still currently in post doing the job he’s being paid to do.

I’ve still little doubt he’ll be sacked. It’s the only logical outcome.

I want him gone. I want a lot of them at the club gone.
I’ll repeat that for the avoidance of doubt.

The reason I am replying to you is, I believe everything points to him staying. Nothing points to him being sacked. Other than the fact they are not good at their job, why would his seniors keep him in post if he is going? It doesn’t make sense.

You say it is the only logical outcome.

Derek McInnes and Alex Neill were available when we sacked Jack Ross.

We went with Shaun Maloney.

We decided to go for Lee Johnson over Jon Dahl Tomasson because he wanted a DoF. Whilst LJ was in post, we brought in a DoF.

We gave LJ the summer and sacked him after three games.

I would argue the only logical thing this leadership group has done, is sack SM at the time they did. Nothing else in their history of running this club shows logic, awareness, or ability.

I would not hold your breath for logic to prevail here.

Monty is essentially a dead man walking with the support. Just like LJ was at the start of this season.

A few bad results and they’ll be told well and truly what the fans think. If they think waiting until the summer to announce he is staying is the safe bet, they’ll get a rude awakening at the first games. I expect ST sales are down. I don’t expect them to grow much unless we see big changes that inspire fans.

If they decide to sack him in a week, then yet again, logic has escaped them. What exactly were they expecting him to deliver in these last games that would save his job? Nothing I can see would point to that, other than go unbeaten/win all the games.

That said, if they sack him. Better late than never.

I’ve beat this horse many times but they are talking about bringing in a tech director.

They need recruited.
Then they need to assess the manager and squad.
Then if they bring a new manager in the new manager needs to assess the squad.

How can any of that, at this point in time, suggest preparation and awareness?

None of that can be done to the required depth, in the time we have.

This review should have happened as soon as the BK was announced.

I predict that we will either sack the manager too late or stick with him.
Any avenue we take, I expect we will be around about the same as this season next season, perhaps a bit higher. But definitely not where we should be fighting.

This coming season is the last one with the groups available.

We were the team that finished third the season before the groups were a thing. We have spectacularly collapsed since then, dismantling the structure (people) who had delivered success.

Here we are. Three years later. Fifth the highest finish. Four managers deep.

[Brightside]

He could have been specific re ALF though. The decision, which I don’t believe was his, was to reduce the overall age of the squad. So he knows what’s happening with ALF and so does the player.

Sadly I agree with you re your last paragraph. As I said they are treating us like absolute mugs.

Clear your inbox fella.

[J-C]

He could have been specific re ALF though. The decision, which I don’t believe was his, was to reduce the overall age of the squad. So he knows what’s happening with ALF and so does the player.

Sadly I agree with you re your last paragraph. As I said they are treating us like absolute mugs.

Who's decision was it to reduce the age if not his?

[jeffers]

Clear your inbox fella.

Sorry out with the dog. Ckeared now.

[One Day Soon]

I want him gone. I want a lot of them at the club gone.
I’ll repeat that for the avoidance of doubt.

The reason I am replying to you is, I believe everything points to him staying. Nothing points to him being sacked. Other than the fact they are not good at their job, why would his seniors keep him in post if he is going? It doesn’t make sense.

You say it is the only logical outcome.

Derek McInnes and Alex Neill were available when we sacked Jack Ross.

We went with Shaun Maloney.

We decided to go for Lee Johnson over Jon Dahl Tomasson because he wanted a DoF. Whilst LJ was in post, we brought in a DoF.

We gave LJ the summer and sacked him after three games.

I would argue the only logical thing this leadership group has done, is sack SM at the time they did. Nothing else in their history of running this club shows logic, awareness, or ability.

I would not hold your breath for logic to prevail here.

Monty is essentially a dead man walking with the support. Just like LJ was at the start of this season.

A few bad results and they’ll be told well and truly what the fans think. If they think waiting until the summer to announce he is staying is the safe bet, they’ll get a rude awakening at the first games. I expect ST sales are down. I don’t expect them to grow much unless we see big changes that inspire fans.

If they decide to sack him in a week, then yet again, logic has escaped them. What exactly were they expecting him to deliver in these last games that would save his job? Nothing I can see would point to that, other than go unbeaten/win all the games.

That said, if they sack him. Better late than never.

I’ve beat this horse many times but they are talking about bringing in a tech director.

They need recruited.
Then they need to assess the manager and squad.
Then if they bring a new manager in the new manager needs to assess the squad.

How can any of that, at this point in time, suggest preparation and awareness?

None of that can be done to the required depth, in the time we have.

This review should have happened as soon as the BK was announced.

I predict that we will either sack the manager too late or stick with him.
Any avenue we take, I expect we will be around about the same as this season next season, perhaps a bit higher. But definitely not where we should be fighting.

This coming season is the last one with the groups available.

We were the team that finished third the season before the groups were a thing. We have spectacularly collapsed since then, dismantling the structure (people) who had delivered success.

Here we are. Three years later. Fifth the highest finish. Four managers deep.


What an absolutely outstanding post. I agree with every single word and I'm glad to read it because it seems transparently obvious to me. I genuinely think we have a very serious problem at the top of our club.

[Donegal Hibby]

Whilst they maybe under contract I’d rather agree to pay offs rather than keep them. Yes I know it’ll cost but the amount of players that have less than zero impact is unbelievable.

If they are happy to sit then so be it but they get nowhere near the first team training etc.

Harsh, very harsh yes but needs must. They’ll still get paid but won’t feature because they are not at a level of player required to take us forward.

I think we’d maybe put together a 5 a side team just now.

Just where I am at with it all.

Agree mate about the amount of players that zero impact though some with probably better contracts than they will get elsewhere or won't possibly get a club as big as Hibs mighten want to move .

We can as you say agree pay offs though the downside of that is it's going to eat into our budget which I don't is as big as some think it will be .

JDH was a prime example last year when we had a move for him but didn't want to go , even now if we wanted to move him on it would probably cost us around 100k to do so if we can't find a club for him.

If they don't want to move and we freeze them out a bit it still effects us as we have to pay them .

Remember reading Monty saying that in the January window we were abit restricted in what we could do as we had 18 players out on loan who become part of your budget .

I'm pretty certain we will add some good quality players though the hard parts in moving ones on which depending on how we do will probably effect what we take in too .

It's all abit of a mess putting it mildly.

[CapitalGreen]

Who's decision was it to reduce the age if not his?

The club has been on a drive to reduce the average age of the squad since Shaun Maloney’s first window. He mentioned it at the time, in an interview or maybe a fans event at ER.

[Alex Trager]

The club has been on a drive to reduce the average age of the squad since Shaun Maloney’s first window. He mentioned it at the time, in an interview or maybe a fans event at ER.

That seems an arbitrary decision which I will sceptically suggest is purely from a perspective of trying to find players to sell on.

Get the best players we can for each position.

If they are 35 then fine.

If they are 19 then fine.

The best player for the position is how we should approach recruitment.

If there is a much of a muchness between two players, then go for the younger one if you want to be able to sell players.

The decision to reduce the age of the squad is seeing our best centre half depart the club in the summer.

[jeffers]

That seems an arbitrary decision which I will sceptically suggest is purely from a perspective of trying to find players to sell on.

Get the best players we can for each position.

If they are 35 then fine.

If they are 19 then fine.

The best player for the position is how we should approach recruitment.

If there is a much of a muchness between two players, then go for the younger one if you want to be able to sell players.

The decision to reduce the age of the squad is seeing our best centre half depart the club in the summer.

Agree with that and your previous post. Only thing I’d say re JDT was I don’t believe he was ever a realistic proposition, we couldn’t afford him.

[Centre Hawf]

Agree with that and your previous post. Only thing I’d say re JDT was I don’t believe he was ever a realistic proposition, we couldn’t afford him.

JDT was very close to getting the job. It was certainly realistic but perhaps as you say money was the final final hurdle in the end.

[WhileTheChief..]

He's going to concentrate on the first team.. Build a squad of 20 to 24. A strong bench and enough cover to handle international and some injuries. Getting rid of the whole development squad idea, and project players. You don't get the guy doing that if you are in any doubt about him staying next year.

If NM does that, fair play to him.

First sensible thing I've heard in ages.

[jeffers]

If NM does that, fair play to him.

First sensible thing I've heard in ages.

That’s a decision that needed made regardless of who the manager was. Not sure I’d be giving him any credit for it :greengrin

[Paulie Walnuts]

If NM does that, fair play to him.

First sensible thing I've heard in ages.

That won’t be NMs decision I wouldn’t think. If the club want a development team then the manager of the first team will have to just accept that. Much like NM wouldn’t get to decide to scrap our whole academy.

If we ditch that idea, then it’s came from above NM.

[WhileTheChief..]

Ach, I was trying to give the guy credit for something as he's none in the bank :wink:

Maybe it's Ian or Ben's idea? Well done to them if so.

Signing project players has been one of our biggest mistakes, so either way, if we're ditching this crap and focussing purely on the first team, I'm happy.

[ChuckNor]

As I posted previously, this review had shambles written all over it. There will be zero accountability for anyone. Ben Kensell will continue in post as CEO despite overseeing an incredible reversal of fortunes. From third place finish and cup finals galore to complete and utter disgrace of a football team, cutting his development player project short, reversing on director of football post, a ridiculous amount of shocking hires and the posting of a scary loss. But it’s all okay, he promised the next set of accounts would be fine and the hospitality suites “look great”.

This review should have resulted in heads rolling. Instead, the man who signed Nick Triantis, one of the worst centre halves I’ve ever seen at Easter Road, is going to lead us into next season playing a role in the recruitment of players.

If I still lived in Scotland I’d be giving up the season ticket. This Bournemouth deal is going to be a disaster.

[JohnM1875]

He's going to concentrate on the first team.. Build a squad of 20 to 24. A strong bench and enough cover to handle international and some injuries. Getting rid of the whole development squad idea, and project players. You don't get the guy doing that if you are in any doubt about him staying next year.

Sorry to bring this up from hours ago, but wasn’t one of the big pluses in Montgomerys favour when we appointed him the work he’d done implementing a youth system and bringing through youths? Why would we now bin that considering it’s some of his strongest points as a coach.

We can’t be keeping him due to his tactical ability.

[The Modfather]

Sorry to bring this up from hours ago, but wasn’t one of the big pluses in Montgomerys favour when we appointed him the work he’d done implementing a youth system and bringing through youths? Why would we now bin that considering it’s some of his strongest points as a coach.

We can’t be keeping him due to his tactical ability.

Isn’t that what he’s doing removing a barrier for the youth teams to come through. B-team/Development players, guys like McLelland, Tait, Mackay Delfierre etc are just blocking the pathway for the youth team and eating up wage budget that could be spent on guys that will actually contribute to the first team.

[Greenio]

Sorry to bring this up from hours ago, but wasn’t one of the big pluses in Montgomerys favour when we appointed him the work he’d done implementing a youth system and bringing through youths? Why would we now bin that considering it’s some of his strongest points as a coach.

We can’t be keeping him due to his tactical ability.

A development team seemed to be a money making initiative more than anything, prob hindered the strategy of bleeding youth into the team. Glad its the first strategic move thats come from the club. Guessing its the first evidence we are seeing of what this review has revealed.

All this chat of 'nothing in the bank', 'only a few defeats away from uproar.' - its absolutely true, but there is always another way it can play out.

The right move ons, the right kind of signings, good start, a scalp - no one knows how it might play out, you can only make an educated guess, doesnt determine the outcomes.

I make educated guesses with bookies all the time, yet here i am.

He's staying, love it or hate it, just get used to it. You can always cone back with the 'telt you so' if we dont turn this around

[RIP]

I wont hit on any individual posts but I wish that supporters were a bit clearer on the player recruitment process at the club. It's been operating pretty much the same way since 2014.

The manager / Head Coach identifies the positions he believes we need to fill.

The recruitment team do the research on who is potentially available within our budget. Enquiries are discreetly carried out as to who is actually available.

Names and video analysis are then put in front of the Head Coach.

The standard of player actually available within our budget will likely be way short of the quality required. We have a shocking record for player retention and managerial churn. Nick will end up with his fourth or fifth choice rather than his first.

It may come as a surprise to Hibs fans but players of quality aren't exactly queuing up to sign for our club. That's why we end up with unproven laddies, wild cards and loans.

I blame Nick for poor tactics and an inability to coach errors and late collapses out of the team. But to hold him accountable for the poor quality of recruitment shows a gross lack of understanding of the process and constraints involved.

[Greenio]

I wont hit on any individual posts but I wish that supporters were a bit clearer on the player recruitment process at the club. It's been operating pretty much the same way since 2014.

The manager / Head Coach identifies the positions he believes we need to fill.

The recruitment team do the research on who is potentially available within our budget. Enquiries are discreetly carried out as to who is actually available.

Names and video analysis are then put in front of the Head Coach.

The standard of player actually available within our budget will likely be way short of the quality required. We have a shocking record for player retention and managerial churn. Nick will end up with his fourth or fifth choice rather than his first.

It may come as a surprise to Hibs fans but players of quality aren't exactly queuing up to sign for our club. That's why we end up with unproven laddies, wild cards and loans.

I blame Nick for poor tactics and an inability to coach errors and late collapses out of the team. But to hold him accountable for the poor quality of recruitment shows a gross lack of understanding of the process and constraints involved.

Spot on.

[Ronniekirk]

If NM does that, fair play to him.

First sensible thing I've heard in ages.
Realistically he will struggle to empty them all in one window hence it’s first team squad players that have been announced as going ie Alf Hsnlon Stevenson and possibly Marshal .So am waiting to see what happens before deciding whether to buy a Season Ticket

[Alex Trager]

I wont hit on any individual posts but I wish that supporters were a bit clearer on the player recruitment process at the club. It's been operating pretty much the same way since 2014.

The manager / Head Coach identifies the positions he believes we need to fill.

The recruitment team do the research on who is potentially available within our budget. Enquiries are discreetly carried out as to who is actually available.

Names and video analysis are then put in front of the Head Coach.

The standard of player actually available within our budget will likely be way short of the quality required. We have a shocking record for player retention and managerial churn. Nick will end up with his fourth or fifth choice rather than his first.

It may come as a surprise to Hibs fans but players of quality aren't exactly queuing up to sign for our club. That's why we end up with unproven laddies, wild cards and loans.

I blame Nick for poor tactics and an inability to coach errors and late collapses out of the team. But to hold him accountable for the poor quality of recruitment shows a gross lack of understanding of the process and constraints involved.

Plenty players with requisite quality were scouted under Stubbs, some also scouted under JR.

[RIP]

Plenty players with requisite quality were scouted under Stubbs, some also scouted under JR.

Leeann Dempster, George Craig and Graeme Mathie.

Ben Kensell, Ian Gordon and Brian McDermott.

The former were all people who had a track record. At that point we were giving managers more than a half season to prove themselves.

The difference in the quality of people in senior football positions is like night and day compared with the time when Hampden games were a regular occurence.

These days are long behind us, sadly. It's going to be a long way back.

[Alex Trager]

Leeann Dempster, George Craig and Graeme Mathie.

Ben Kensell, Ian Gordon and Brian McDermott.

The former were all people who had a track record. At that point we were giving managers more than a half season to prove themselves.

The difference in the quality of people in senior football positions is like night and day compared with the time when Hampden games were a regular occurence.

These days are long behind us, sadly. It's going to be a long way back.

Agreed. You said that the recruitment process was the same and that quality players wouldn’t be lining up to come here.

Slightly confused messaging.

[B.H.F.C]

I wont hit on any individual posts but I wish that supporters were a bit clearer on the player recruitment process at the club. It's been operating pretty much the same way since 2014.

The manager / Head Coach identifies the positions he believes we need to fill.

The recruitment team do the research on who is potentially available within our budget. Enquiries are discreetly carried out as to who is actually available.

Names and video analysis are then put in front of the Head Coach.

The standard of player actually available within our budget will likely be way short of the quality required. We have a shocking record for player retention and managerial churn. Nick will end up with his fourth or fifth choice rather than his first.

It may come as a surprise to Hibs fans but players of quality aren't exactly queuing up to sign for our club. That's why we end up with unproven laddies, wild cards and loans.

I blame Nick for poor tactics and an inability to coach errors and late collapses out of the team. But to hold him accountable for the poor quality of recruitment shows a gross lack of understanding of the process and constraints involved.

“The standard of player actually available within our budget will likely be way short of the quality required”

I don’t get this bit. Quality is relative to the standard of the league. And relative to the league, we have a good budget that we are misspending .

I think you are looking at things too simplistically as well. We all know times have moved on from the days where the manager ran things. But they still have a big part to play in the way things go. Look at our last half decent team, do you think Ross needed video analysis to get in the likes of McGinn, Gogic and Nisbet? When Lennon was signing the likes of Ambrose and Holt to do us a job, that wasn’t all through video analysis. It’s not as straightforward as just saying there’s one way of doing it and that’s that.

In the current season, it was Montgomery that would have identified Triantis for example.

[AlbertK86]

For someone who proclaimed they were out of here until July you're still pretty prolific.....sadly.

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[TrinityHFC]

Leeann Dempster, George Craig and Graeme Mathie.

Ben Kensell, Ian Gordon and Brian McDermott.

The former were all people who had a track record. At that point we were giving managers more than a half season to prove themselves.

The difference in the quality of people in senior football positions is like night and day compared with the time when Hampden games were a regular occurence.

These days are long behind us, sadly. It's going to be a long way back.

McDermott has more of a football track record than any of them.

I suppose none of them were invoked in the working together initiate. It is beyond boring now. We weren’t any better previously. A cup win papered over quite a lot really.

[MWHIBBIES]

McDermott has more of a football track record than any of them.

I suppose none of them were invoked in the working together initiate. It is beyond boring now. We weren’t any better previously. A cup win papered over quite a lot really.

Oh, we absolutely were better. We signed better players, played better football, and fully deserved to win the Scottish cup. It papered over **** all. We reached both finals for the first time ever. 9 or so unbeaten Vs Hearts. Battered Huns plenty home and away.

Likes of Ambrose, Marciano, McGregor, Mcginn, Mcgeouch, Fyvie, Henderson, Allan, Gray were all easily better than what we're signing now.

[Smartie]

McDermott has more of a football track record than any of them.

I suppose none of them were invoked in the working together initiate. It is beyond boring now. We weren’t any better previously. A cup win papered over quite a lot really.

I wouldn’t say the cup win papered over a lot… but we had a 2-3 year spell post relegation where as a club - from top to bottom - that we seemed to get our act together in an unusually effective way. Outside of that, it’s been the best part of 2 decades of drivel.

If only we could somehow understand how we had 4 or 5 consecutive transfer windows of outstanding recruitment and general progress and recreate it.

The cup win was appropriate reward for us getting stuff right.

[McD]

Oh, we absolutely were better. We signed better players, played better football, and fully deserved to win the Scottish cup. It papered over **** all. We reached both finals for the first time ever. 9 or so unbeaten Vs Hearts. Battered Huns plenty home and away.

Likes of Ambrose, Marciano, McGregor, Mcginn, Mcgeouch, Fyvie, Henderson, Allan, Gray were all easily better than what we're signing now.



All of that done with a lower budget than now. It wasn’t all sunshine and rainbows during that period, but better than now by a distance

[Hibees1973]

Imagine if the review has the following outcome.

1. Montgomery remains manager
2. Kensell remains COE
3. Ian Gordon remains the 'hands on' owner

It's not beyond the realms of possibility.

[scoopyboy]

Imagine if the review has the following outcome.

1. Montgomery remains manager
2. Kensell remains COE
3. Ian Gordon remains the 'hands on' owner

It's not beyond the realms of possibility.

Surely the review hasn't any say in whether Ian Gordon remains as hand on owner, bottom line is he is the owner

[hibsbollah]

As I posted previously, this review had shambles written all over it. There will be zero accountability for anyone. Ben Kensell will continue in post as CEO despite overseeing an incredible reversal of fortunes. From third place finish and cup finals galore to complete and utter disgrace of a football team, cutting his development player project short, reversing on director of football post, a ridiculous amount of shocking hires and the posting of a scary loss. But it’s all okay, he promised the next set of accounts would be fine and the hospitality suites “look great”.

This review should have resulted in heads rolling. Instead, the man who signed Nick Triantis, one of the worst centre halves I’ve ever seen at Easter Road, is going to lead us into next season playing a role in the recruitment of players.

If I still lived in Scotland I’d be giving up the season ticket. This Bournemouth deal is going to be a disaster.

Honestly. How do you know this last bit? Comes across as negative purely for the sake of it.

[matty_f]

Imagine if the review has the following outcome.

1. Montgomery remains manager
2. Kensell remains COE
3. Ian Gordon remains the 'hands on' owner

It's not beyond the realms of possibility.
I wouldn’t be surprised but I also don’t necessarily think that the lack of change there would prevent us improving.

I watched the Foley documentary (Premier League Stories) on Sky through the week there, and there were a few things he said that gave new the impression that he’s not an “immediate success or you’re out” type of guy.

I think his approach is far more aligned to “do you think this is the right guy, and if so, what does he need to be able to succeed?” People will point to the change in manager at Bournemouth but that was on the recommendation of the sporting director and was because they felt their last manager wasn't going to deliver the type of football they wanted, and a guy who could was available.

I don't think he got off to the best of starts but they gave him time.

It's not beyond the realms of possibility that the review concludes that under different circumstances, Monty will do well and they go about creating that environment for him - that certainly chimes with the messages coming out of the club at the moment.


We'll see in time, I personally don't think Ian Gordon has the background or experience to run a club but that's not to say he doesn't have the capacity to learn and gain that experience with the right support in place around him.

[matty_f]

Honestly. How do you know this last bit? Comes across as negative purely for the sake of it.

It's a really needlessly negative take. The transaction only completed a coupler of months ago, and immediately we saw players come to the club that we probably wouldn't have been able to get otherwise.

For all you couldn't say Bournemouth are a gold standard of club in England, they are certainly punching well above their weight at the moment and the work going on to set them up for success is impressive.

There was a quote about Foley on Sky, from someone that knows him, that was along the lines of Foley being an expert at buying things that aren't the best and then making them the best.

We've never lacked ambition under the Gordons, we have lacked execution though and you might say we've lacked competence - Black Knight bring those things to the table along with ambition. This should be exciting.

[TrinityHFC]

All of that done with a lower budget than now. It wasn’t all sunshine and rainbows during that period, but better than now by a distance

It’s all relative really but we spent 3 yrs in the second tier. Losing heavily to the likes of Arbroath now and again. The final week that second season could have gone either way. Leaving Falkirk after losing the playoffs having lost a cup final to Ross County. Winning the cup was obviously incredible and transformational but I don’t think we should pretend it was some sort of golden era overall. It really wasn’t.

This isn’t to talk down what we achieved but some players constantly talk about the set up then and how it has changed since. It is mostly nonsense.

[matty_f]

It’s all relative really but we spent 3 yrs in the second tier. Losing heavily to the likes of Arbroath now and again. The final week that second season could have gone either way. Leaving Falkirk after losing the playoffs having lost a cup final to Ross County. Winning the cup was obviously incredible and transformational but I don’t think we should pretend it was some sort of golden era overall. It really wasn’t.

This isn’t to talk down what we achieved but some players constantly talk about the set up then and how it has changed since. It is mostly nonsense.

I mostly enjoyed watching us under Stubbs and Lennon but they both had runs or results in the Championship that would have folk frothing at the mouth if they happened now.

Did we not get knocked out the cup to Queen of the South at Easter Rd? Mind Lennon having a fight with Jim Duffy so we all didn't talk about how shan we were in the 0-0 draw that night.

I think the difference was we could punch out weight in the bigger games them - good results against Hearts and Rangers, Aberdeen in the cup etc and - when it clicked - we could be very good.

[MWHIBBIES]

It’s all relative really but we spent 3 yrs in the second tier. Losing heavily to the likes of Arbroath now and again. The final week that second season could have gone either way. Leaving Falkirk after losing the playoffs having lost a cup final to Ross County. Winning the cup was obviously incredible and transformational but I don’t think we should pretend it was some sort of golden era overall. It really wasn’t.

This isn’t to talk down what we achieved but some players constantly talk about the set up then and how it has changed since. It is mostly nonsense.

When did we lose heavily to Arbroath?

Those championship seasons, the cup win, then the 4th, 5th and 3rd in the first (Full) seasons back up is one of our best periods since the 50s. Some cracking players and teams.

[TrinityHFC]

When did we lose heavily to Arbroath?

Those championship seasons, the cup win, then the 4th, 5th and 3rd in the first (Full) seasons back up is one of our best periods since the 50s. Some cracking players and teams.

Sorry, I’m talking pish. It was Morton, Dumbarton, Queen of the South and Alloa that beat us in reasonably quick succession.

It was some good times, some horrendous ones. It was the Championship though so you’d expect to be able to play well and win games. Yeah we did well when we played some Premiership teams but again, it is relative to what we are talking about now. Disappointed not to be in the top six again. Aberdeen, Hearts and Rangers I think are different beasts now to 7 or 8 yrs ago. Even if Aberdeen are a bit crap this year.

Agree the years coming back up were also decent but most folk on were whining about the players and the managers and ultimately they all got emptied.

The club itself was allowed to become shambolic off the park. We’ve sorted that out so hopefully the team is next to be improve again.

[Rob]

Aye it’s crazy, I agree. Which is why I think those involved already know the outcome.

Can’t see it being anything other than Montgomery given time and a window. Which I’m not fully onboard with.
How can they know the outcome of a review that hasn't been completed yet? Also, any review is surely only going to make a series of recommendations, which it is up to the Gordons to decide whether or not to implement.

I can't see the people undertaking the review saying "we've not yet completed our review, but we're recommending you stick with the current manager".

If I was Ian Gordon, I'd want to see the full outcome of the review, what were the findings, what conclusions have been made based on those findings, and what are the recommendations based on those conclusions. So if one of those recommendations was to stick with the current manager, I'd at least understand the rationale behind that recommendation.

[JohnM1875]

How can they know the outcome of a review that hasn't been completed yet? Also, any review is surely only going to make a series of recommendations, which it is up to the Gordons to decide whether or not to implement.

I can't see the people undertaking the review saying "we've not yet completed our review, but we're recommending you stick with the current manager".

If I was Ian Gordon, I'd want to see the full outcome of the review, what were the findings, what conclusions have been made based on those findings, and what are the recommendations based on those conclusions. So if one of those recommendations was to stick with the current manager, I'd at least understand the rationale behind that recommendation.

Don’t disagree with you but the review could have been done in stages, starting with the managers position. Might have wanted to do that first with pre-season etc right around the corner.

Think the only real changes we’ll see from the review is McDermott moving on or changing roles and the appointment of a technical director, whatever that is.

[Callum_62]

Think the only real changes we’ll see from the review is McDermott moving on or changing roles and the appointment of a technical director, whatever that is.

I believe a Technical Director and Director of Football is the same thing



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[bingo70]

I believe a Technical Director and Director of Football is the same thing



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From chat GPT:-

A technical director is primarily responsible for overseeing the technical aspects of a team's performance, including player development, tactics, and training methods. A director of football, on the other hand, focuses more on the club's overall football strategy, including player recruitment, transfers, and long-term planning. While both roles involve shaping the team's success, they have distinct areas of focus within the organization.

[SickBoy32]

Sorry, I’m talking pish. It was Morton, Dumbarton, Queen of the South and Alloa that beat us in reasonably quick succession.

It was some good times, some horrendous ones. It was the Championship though so you’d expect to be able to play well and win games. Yeah we did well when we played some Premiership teams but again, it is relative to what we are talking about now. Disappointed not to be in the top six again. Aberdeen, Hearts and Rangers I think are different beasts now to 7 or 8 yrs ago. Even if Aberdeen are a bit crap this year.

Agree the years coming back up were also decent but most folk on were whining about the players and the managers and ultimately they all got emptied.

The club itself was allowed to become shambolic off the park. We’ve sorted that out so hopefully the team is next to be improve again.

What absolute guff from start to finish.

Aberdeen are a different beast ? When we beat them under Stubbs at ER, they finished 2nd in the league that season? They’re ***** this year 😂

And as for your final point - I must’ve missed the club being sorted out ?! The Gordon regime has systematically dismantled an effective football operation, in favour of gambling on a Moneyball approach to operations. Disastrous and has cost us years.

Scary reading folk talking down what was undoubtedly a golden era for the club. We need to get back to that ASAP, and we need significant change throughout the senior roles in the club to do so.

[Callum_62]

From chat GPT:-

A technical director is primarily responsible for overseeing the technical aspects of a team's performance, including player development, tactics, and training methods. A director of football, on the other hand, focuses more on the club's overall football strategy, including player recruitment, transfers, and long-term planning. While both roles involve shaping the team's success, they have distinct areas of focus within the organization.What to believe? [emoji38]

A director of football or director of soccer, sometimes also called a sporting director or technical director, is a senior management figure at an association football (soccer) club, most commonly in Europe. Often, their key task is managing transfers of players to and from the team.

Kensell oot!

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[MWHIBBIES]

What absolute guff from start to finish.

Aberdeen are a different beast ? When we beat them under Stubbs at ER, they finished 2nd in the league that season? They’re ***** this year 😂

And as for your final point - I must’ve missed the club being sorted out ?! The Gordon regime has systematically dismantled an effective football operation, in favour of gambling on a Moneyball approach to operations. Disastrous and has cost us years.

Scary reading folk talking down what was undoubtedly a golden era for the club. We need to get back to that ASAP, and we need significant change throughout the senior roles in the club to do so.

Correct.

When Stubbs masterminded a 2-0 league cup win over Aberdeen, they were unbeaten and top of the league.

Hearts were 3rd when we beat them in the replay.

Wish we were so shambolic these days.

[Brightside]

Imagine if the review has the following outcome.

1. Montgomery remains manager
2. Kensell remains COE
3. Ian Gordon remains the 'hands on' owner

It's not beyond the realms of possibility.

It’s not hard to imagine.

[flash]

Imagine if the review has the following outcome.

1. Montgomery remains manager
2. Kensell remains COE
3. Ian Gordon remains the 'hands on' owner

It's not beyond the realms of possibility.

Not sure the review will have the power to remove the owner.

[TrinityHFC]

Correct.

When Stubbs masterminded a 2-0 league cup win over Aberdeen, they were unbeaten and top of the league.

Hearts were 3rd when we beat them in the replay.

Wish we were so shambolic these days.

That’s where relativity to now comes into it. Wins anyone v Aberdeen and Hearts would be great but not really the sign of a golden era.

[MWHIBBIES]

That’s where relativity to now comes into it. Wins anyone v Aberdeen and Hearts would be great but not really the sign of a golden era.

No. The Scottish cup win was a sign of that mate. And finishing 4th, 5th and 3rd in 4 seasons after promotion.

[whiskyhibby]

No. The Scottish cup win was a sign of that mate. And finishing 4th, 5th and 3rd in 4 seasons after promotion.

And not forgetting we also reached the league cup final the same season as the SC win……which we also should have won BTW

[I'm Spartacus]

Honestly. How do you know this last bit? Comes across as negative purely for the sake of it.

Has any Black Knight pyramid club had any success? (I don't know the answer btw).

[Stuart93]

Has any Black Knight pyramid club had any success? (I don't know the answer btw).

I’d say, for their size, Bournemouth have been very successful this season

[04Sauzee]

Has any Black Knight pyramid club had any success? (I don't know the answer btw).

Bournemouth are probably punching

[I'm Spartacus]

I’d say, for their size, Bournemouth have been very successful this season

I meant any team in the pyramid that are there to loophole the FFP rules for the benefit of Bournemouth.

[matty_f]

Has any Black Knight pyramid club had any success? (I don't know the answer btw).

There's only us and Lorient other than Bournemouth. There's been no time for them to do anything of note with us yet, Lorient have had their involvement to some degree since last January I think, bit it's very hard to get information on how much involvement that constitutes.

[Crab apple]

Monty needs sacked as he's completely hopeless. If he is still here next season I fear we'd be in a relegation battle. However, our recruitment also needs looked at. Whoever signed Levitt and Wollacot should be sent packing too. And not recognising the defence needed properly strengthened in January was a major error.

[H18 SFR]

How far back is the review going?

How in depth is the review going?

Will things like why did Johnson really jettison Jair Tavares be looked into?

[SHODAN]

I think they finished the review