So are we confident in bringing than way better than we have right now

[Mrimbetween]

A massive clear out from the top required. Do we think the financial backing will cater for this ??

If Monty goes how much will that cost, never mind bringing a new management team

Honest with out being dramatic I'm really concerned and on top of that Lorient look relegated

Someone cheer me up from my lack of optimism please

[Dazzjw1875]

Going to be 100% honest here, NO I'm not confident in the current regime/set-up that we will recruit well let along know how to set them up.. This season jist needs to end and hope that BK group sort this shambles out.

[Northernhibee]

No. The amount of money going into the first team squad isn’t the issue, it’s how we’re spending it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

In terms of managers, I’ve little doubt we’ll get better in. I don’t think it could get much worse.

Player wise? Impossible to say really until we see what the BKFC group are all about.

[The Tubs]

I think it needs to be managed properly. We can't just get rid off all the players so it needs to be evolution rather than revolution. Key players need to be signed in key positions. Then players Monty has made worse will start to perform better, hopefully.

While it's not quite as dramatic, nor are we in such bad nick — just like when Butcher took us down, there's obviously some uncertainty about getting it right.

[Glory Lurker]

I'd like to be wrong but reckon it will mainly be loans. That's the future from here, I reckon.

[Since452]

It feels like the club have been on a downward trajectory since we finished 3rd with Jack Ross, didn't back him that summer and sacked him before a cup final. I've not had confidence in anything they've done since to be honest. Certainly not on the football front, the part 99.9% of us care most about. So the answer to the OP's question is no.

[Bostonhibby]

The way we have been prioritising, the most I can currently say is we could well have the snazziest lounges / facilities in the championship the season after unless the penny drops about having something half way competitive on the football pitch

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[Chorley Hibee]

In terms of managers, I’ve little doubt we’ll get better in. I don’t think it could get much worse.

Player wise? Impossible to say really until we see what the BKFC group are all about.

With Ian Gordon and Ben Kensell around, I wouldn't be so certain that it won't get worse.

[GreenCastle]

No trust in any of them.

The only way this will improve is if new leadership and management are brought into the club with experience and expertise.

Monty needs to go but we can’t just except him to go and a new manager to turn it around.

There is more to this mess than a poor 1st team manager - the staff behind the scenes - recruitment and club management.

It’s all very boring - bland and vanilla - folk laugh when we say we have lost our identity but we have lost a lot of connection with fans and many die hard fans.

[Alfred E Newman]

This is the third disastrous managerial appointment in a row. It's time those responsible for overseeing this shambles were receiving their marching orders..

[Greensunshine]

Naw

[Smartie]

Absolutely not, no.

One thing they are doing though - cementing in place an acknowledgment amongst our support that certain people during a certain, fairly short era fairly knew what they were doing when it came to bringing good players to our club and getting them to play.

Does George Craig deserve a place in the Hibernian unsung heroes hall of fame? His is a record fairly untarnished by any other stuff and he appears to have been able to succeed where so many have now failed. We’re now going to have wealthy Americans with knowledge of various sports conduct a lengthy review, a review which should simply consist of figuring out how to get us doing what we appeared to manage to do quite well when Craig was at the club?

[The Harp Awakes]

Recruitment of managers and players under the current regime has been a complete failure. Shockingly bad and it would have been difficult to do worse.

They basically have not got a clue how to build a successful team in the SPFL. Scottish league football may lack top quality teams and players, but it's physical, frantic and competitive. You need to recruit managers and players with the right experience, mentality and attributes to succeed.

We have a football department that doesn't understand this and until they are all emptied, nothing will improve regardless of how much money is thrown at them.

[Daydreamer]

One of the biggest problems is that we have already 32 signed players for next season once everyone returns from loan. 18 players out on loan. Most of the returning loan players I think everyone will agree are not good enough or guys who are'nt even getting games for their loan clubs. It is frightening what the training ground will be like if more players are brought in. Ian Gordon and Kensell must have questions to answer for this shambles!!

[Pretty Boy]

I think it needs a completely fresh set of eyes looking at the whole operation. Hopefully Black Knights have someone doing that. Look at Ratcliffe at Man Utd, he's come in as a minority owner and spent the last couple of months assessing everything. This week he highlighted general untidiness around the place and particularly mentioned the youth team changing rooms. That might seem petty but it's arguably a symptom of a decline in standards since Ferguson left the building. Of course he's also addressing the big issues with several high profile members of staff being unceremoniously moved on.

We need similar. Someone to come in with no connection at all to the current regime to look at everything we are doing on the football side. No sacred cows and no individual beyond reproach. What we have done for the last 3 seasons has seen us finish bottom 6 twice despite throwing more money about than we have in decades. Something isn't right. If there is a good process in place then you don't keep appointing bad managers and signing underachieving players.

As it stands I have little confidence next season will be significantly better but that's based on what has gone before. Hopefully a ruthless new part owner is digging in to what is wrong and working to fix it.

[Tambo]

We need players who

1. work hard on a constant basis
2. A better mentality
3. Can defend

Far to many sloppy goals conceded again this season.

[Carheenlea]

I’d be asking Jack Ross if he fancies another crack.

[Smartie]

I’d be asking Jack Ross if he fancies another crack.

You’d maybe need to rephrase that if you were encouraging him to take on another coaching role in the capital and expecting his wife to let him.

[Silky]

I’d be asking Jack Ross if he fancies another crack.

But he was too "pragmatic" and the football was boring. I read that often. He doesn't play "the Hibs way".

[Saint Hibee]

Let’s not rewrite history. Jack Ross produced some of the most gutless performances I’ve ever seen from a Hibs side. I’d rather have LJ back before Ross, and LJ was useless, too.

[eastterrace]

But he was too "pragmatic" and the football was boring. I read that often. He doesn't play "the Hibs way".He did play the hibs way eye bleeding if I remember.

[Northernhibee]

Jack Ross’s football wasn’t eye bleeding. It was some people who were forced to watch through PPV online instead of being able to attend due to the pandemic and not considering that may be a factor.

Personally I loved finishing third and expecting to beat the teams around us in the league week in, week out.

[Nicho87]

Trust the process














🤣

[Lancs Harp]

Sorry mate i found his football about exciting as his personality. A no thanks from me. Hes pulled up trees since not.

[neil7908]

Jack Ross’s football wasn’t eye bleeding. It was some people who were forced to watch through PPV online instead of being able to attend due to the pandemic and not considering that may be a factor.

Personally I loved finishing third and expecting to beat the teams around us in the league week in, week out.

Jack Ross was sacked because we were on a downward spiral, having lost 7 out of 9 games. Absolutely relegation form.

He also managed a Hibs team that completely shat the bed when presented with a once in a lifetime chance to become double cup winners. Instead, he was seen off by the mighty St Johnstone, despite all his managerial nous and tactical wizardry.

He then was emptied in a matter of weeks at Dundee United after losing 7-1 and 9-0.

He is no longer a manager.

I get things are bad right now but he seems to have attained some mythical status amongst our fans. Some are the same with Lennon or Stubbs. At least Stubbs is a genuine legend.

Can't we just look forward and find a better manager?

[Smartie]

Jack Ross’s football wasn’t eye bleeding. It was some people who were forced to watch through PPV online instead of being able to attend due to the pandemic and not considering that may be a factor.

Personally I loved finishing third and expecting to beat the teams around us in the league week in, week out.

I loved having a stingy defence that gave away fewer cheap goals than most Hibs teams.

And having a belief that you had a team that had enough about it to go away from home and grind out a win. You’re not looking to be entertained away from home, you’re looking to find a way to win.

I did think he could have been more expansive at home. Maybe that would have happened, given time?

Either way - his sacking was an absolute nonsense, as I think Ron later realised tbf.

He was also absolutely hung out to dry with a truly abject final summer transfer window, the first “Gordons” one, and very much the shape of things to come.

James Scott ffs, was like coming back from market with a fistful of magic beans.

[matty_f]

I loved having a stingy defence that gave away fewer cheap goals than most Hibs teams.

And having a belief that you had a team that had enough about it to go away from home and grind out a win. You’re not looking to be entertained away from home, you’re looking to find a way to win.

I did think he could have been more expensive at home. Maybe that would have happened, given time?

Either way - his sacking was an absolute nonsense, as I think Ron later realised tbf.

He was also absolutely hung out to dry with a truly abject final summer transfer window, the first “Gordons” one, and very much the shape of things to come.

James Scott ffs, was like coming back from market with a fistful of magic beans.
I agree with your post but just for the record, James Scott was very much a Jack Ross signing and definitely not one that was forced upon him.

[Unseen work]

I think it’s so difficult for clubs to bring in good managers now a days.

Especially clubs like ourselves who are in a bit of an inbetween with our expectations and demands compared to where we normally finish. We also want it done in a certain type of way too.

I have no faith we’ll bring someone in who completely united the club and gets us back to a good, exciting team

[Brizo]

In any organisation where the recruitment department keeps appointing the wrong people the recruitment department gets overhauled. The Gordons and Kensell aren't going to sack themselves.

Even with Foley input I fear the future will be a revolving door of loans and project signings with potential sell-on value rather than a core of players with Scottish experience; and that they'll be signed off by a manager willing to work to that business model. And I doubt any of the names mentioned as Montgomery's eventual replacement would be willing to work under those conditions.

[GreenCastle]

In any organisation where the recruitment department keeps appointing the wrong people the recruitment department gets overhauled. The Gordons and Kensell aren't going to sack themselves.

Even with Foley input I fear the future will be a revolving door of loans and project signings with potential sell-on value rather than a core of players with Scottish experience; and that they'll be signed off by a manager willing to work to that business model. And I doubt any of the names mentioned as Montgomery's eventual replacement would be willing to work under those conditions.

Agreed.

Think it’s crunch time to see if any changes actually are made or if it’s just the usual review chat and “improvements” will be made - club culture will change etc etc etc.

Actions speak louder than words and majority of fans can see right through the nonsense we are being served weekly.

Even when a new manager is appointed he will have to come in and get credit in the bank but he has to be a character that brings character / leadership and isn’t a yes man for those above - fed up being a soft club and who get walked all over

[Dmas]

In any organisation where the recruitment department keeps appointing the wrong people the recruitment department gets overhauled. The Gordons and Kensell aren't going to sack themselves.

Even with Foley input I fear the future will be a revolving door of loans and project signings with potential sell-on value rather than a core of players with Scottish experience; and that they'll be signed off by a manager willing to work to that business model. And I doubt any of the names mentioned as Montgomery's eventual replacement would be willing to work under those conditions.

Gordon’s and kensell aren’t signing players, there’s a director of football and a recruitment team that have questions to answer before they do IMO we have consistently signed poor players for our league over a long period of time now has anyone in the recruitment team lost their job?
I’m inclined to give BmcD the benefit of the doubt as he’s had 2 windows with 2 managers the last window saw an upturn in quality if that’s been him or necessity I’m not sure, but where’s the overhaul? What changes has BmcD made? As far as I am aware Calvin Charlton is still at the club was here under Mathie and is head of technical recruitment which suggests there’s a team he leads do these people have anyone to answer to?

[Jones28]

January recruitment would suggest that, yes, we will recruit better than what we have.

[Northernhibee]

January recruitment would suggest that, yes, we will recruit better than what we have.
I’m not sure it does. Myziane yes, NMW yes, other than that?

[Since452]

Jack Ross was sacked because we were on a downward spiral, having lost 7 out of 9 games. Absolutely relegation form.

He also managed a Hibs team that completely shat the bed when presented with a once in a lifetime chance to become double cup winners. Instead, he was seen off by the mighty St Johnstone, despite all his managerial nous and tactical wizardry.

He then was emptied in a matter of weeks at Dundee United after losing 7-1 and 9-0.

He is no longer a manager.

I get things are bad right now but he seems to have attained some mythical status amongst our fans. Some are the same with Lennon or Stubbs. At least Stubbs is a genuine legend.

Can't we just look forward and find a better manager?

We had a squad riddled with COVID and were forced to play an incredible amount of games in a short period of time. Seem to remember us fielding basically a youth team at one point. We had 10 players out. May have been against Ross County. Still got us to a cup final and despite that poor run, left with an astonishing record overall.

[JohnM1875]

I’m not sure it does. Myziane yes, NMW yes, other than that?

Marcondes hasn't reached the heights I'd have liked or expected but he's still better than Campbell or Levitt.

Triantis looked fine as a sitting midfielder as well and probably would've had more of an impact than Newell yesterday if it was Triantis, NMW and Marcondes.

We have no idea about Bevan though.

[Northernhibee]

Gordon’s and kensell aren’t signing players,

Wasn’t Ian Gordon head of recruitment?

They may not be signing players but that’s not to say that their presence doesn’t have any impact whatsoever. After Mathie left, it felt like it was then we descended into utter madness and started playing real life football manager, signing any lower league youngster with a bit of hype. We tried to be Brentford and ended up as a bloated mess.

For whatever reason, the last window we had under Mathie we just didn’t seem to sign many players and that left Jack Ross high and dry IMO. Before that our signing strategy was perfect, we’d finished third and with a little bit of extra character in the team we would probably have started finishing off cup runs with trophies as we were very consistent in getting to Hampden.

Then we got giddy with development squads, and it all fell apart.

The timing may be coincidental, but then again it may not be.

[Northernhibee]

Marcondes hasn't reached the heights I'd have liked or expected but he's still better than Campbell or Levitt.

Triantis looked fine as a sitting midfielder as well and probably would've had more of an impact than Newell yesterday if it was Triantis, NMW and Marcondes.

We have no idea about Bevan though.

I’d play Campbell over Marcondes. Better suited to the league, puts himself about more, scores goals, his assist against St Johnstone was good.

May not be as glamorous a style or name but is more effective IMO.

[Nicho87]

I always think any managers personality transfers itself to their playing style

Couple extreme examples

Sir Alex - passionate, front foot
Pep - technical, controlled, balanced
Klopp - animated, charasmatic, attacking

SPFL Level
Martin O’Neil - fiery, strong, exciting
Lennon (hibs) - gung-ho, rollercoaster, different
McInnes - solid, no nonsense, reliable
Montgomery - stubborn, quiet, relaxed

[GreenCastle]

Looking at the starting team yesterday only 3 January signings started.

One scored - Maolida - if we hadn’t signed him I do worry where we would be in the league - 8 goals in 15 now ??!

2 signings couldn’t even get on the pitch.

Mayenda has played 63 minutes in the league.

Amos played around 80 minutes in the league.

[Nicho87]

Looking at the starting team yesterday only 3 January signings started.

One scored - Maolida - if we hadn’t signed him I do worry where we would be in the league - 8 goals in 15 now ??!

2 signings couldn’t even get on the pitch.

Mayenda has played 63 minutes in the league.

Amos played around 80 minutes in the league.

Amos has done a great job in being a direct replacement for Magennis to be fair

[hibsbollah]

I think it needs a completely fresh set of eyes looking at the whole operation. Hopefully Black Knights have someone doing that. Look at Ratcliffe at Man Utd, he's come in as a minority owner and spent the last couple of months assessing everything. This week he highlighted general untidiness around the place and particularly mentioned the youth team changing rooms. That might seem petty but it's arguably a symptom of a decline in standards since Ferguson left the building. Of course he's also addressing the big issues with several high profile members of staff being unceremoniously moved on.

We need similar. Someone to come in with no connection at all to the current regime to look at everything we are doing on the football side. No sacred cows and no individual beyond reproach. What we have done for the last 3 seasons has seen us finish bottom 6 twice despite throwing more money about than we have in decades. Something isn't right. If there is a good process in place then you don't keep appointing bad managers and signing underachieving players.

As it stands I have little confidence next season will be significantly better but that's based on what has gone before. Hopefully a ruthless new part owner is digging in to what is wrong and working to fix it.

Agree with all of that, with the addition that these things can change pretty quickly in football, crisis clubs can be models of professionalism and start getting results in a matter of months with a new broom, how often have we seen it?

[B.H.F.C]

Amos has done a great job in being a direct replacement for Magennis to be fair

When he signed it was so predictable how it would go. We really don’t help ourselves at times.

[TrinityHFC]

January recruitment would suggest that, yes, we will recruit better than what we have.

Two centre halfs. One injured who never played and the other no better than we had.

Three midfielders. One injured. Two who are decent with one of them very talented but not having a huge impact on games.

Two forwards. One excellent. One no better than we had.

2 1/2 out of 7 I think.

[Jones28]

I’m not sure it does. Myziane yes, NMW yes, other than that?

Marcondes has dropped off but looked really good initially. Triantis, though he was signed as a CB has been decent enough in the CDM role. Amos has decent enough pedigree but probably too early to tell.

The injured boy and the striker who isn’t getting a sniff I’d say are the poor recruits.

[Brizo]

Gordon’s and kensell aren’t signing players, there’s a director of football and a recruitment team that have questions to answer before they do IMO we have consistently signed poor players for our league over a long period of time now has anyone in the recruitment team lost their job?
I’m inclined to give BmcD the benefit of the doubt as he’s had 2 windows with 2 managers the last window saw an upturn in quality if that’s been him or necessity I’m not sure, but where’s the overhaul? What changes has BmcD made? As far as I am aware Calvin Charlton is still at the club was here under Mathie and is head of technical recruitment which suggests there’s a team he leads do these people have anyone to answer to?

The Gordons / Kensell appoint the recruitment team and are ultimately responsible for recruitment. I'd be astonished if the recruitment team doesn't adhere to the business model, budget, and recruitment parameters set by the owners and CEO. That strategy from the top down has to be questioned and the buck stops with those at the very top.

[Alfred E Newman]

I’d play Campbell over Marcondes. Better suited to the league, puts himself about more, scores goals, his assist against St Johnstone was good.

May not be as glamorous a style or name but is more effective IMO.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Campbell ends up going the same way as Simon Murray and Gogic.
Classed by many on here as just a “work horse” and not flashy enough for a so called flair team like Hibs .

[ekhibee]

I think it needs a completely fresh set of eyes looking at the whole operation. Hopefully Black Knights have someone doing that. Look at Ratcliffe at Man Utd, he's come in as a minority owner and spent the last couple of months assessing everything. This week he highlighted general untidiness around the place and particularly mentioned the youth team changing rooms. That might seem petty but it's arguably a symptom of a decline in standards since Ferguson left the building. Of course he's also addressing the big issues with several high profile members of staff being unceremoniously moved on.

We need similar. Someone to come in with no connection at all to the current regime to look at everything we are doing on the football side. No sacred cows and no individual beyond reproach. What we have done for the last 3 seasons has seen us finish bottom 6 twice despite throwing more money about than we have in decades. Something isn't right. If there is a good process in place then you don't keep appointing bad managers and signing underachieving players.

As it stands I have little confidence next season will be significantly better but that's based on what has gone before. Hopefully a ruthless new part owner is digging in to what is wrong and working to fix it.

Don't always agree with what you say PB (that's really just down to personal opinion), but IMO you've hit the nail on the head with this. There should be noone getting preferential treatment, and if there's too many primadonnas it's time for them to leave or be moved on. But sadly I also agree with you that it's highly likely that there won't be anything like the amount of changes made that need to be made, but we can always hope. I bought a season ticket for next season in the hope that there IS going to be changes, but what changes, and how many, is up in the air.

[Mcbizz1998]

I've always felt Hibs have been at their best when we have identified players in Scotland who have done it here and have experience of the leagues in this country. The last few managers haven't tapped that market enough for my liking. Instead the focus seems to have been on random punts from around the globe.

I have no real confidence that anything is about to change and as others have said, the amount we have to spend is almost a secondary issue. We spent a lot in recent years by our standards but have regressed year on year.

[Winston Ingram]

In terms of managers, I’ve little doubt we’ll get better in. I don’t think it could get much worse.

Player wise? Impossible to say really until we see what the BKFC group are all about.

I'd agree with this Manager wise. I'm struggling to think how even our board could struggle to replace a guy who hasn't demonstrated an ounce of competence since he got here.

[eastmainsmsh]

Being honest it wouldn't be difficult to get better as the current lot have been abysmal we let Paul Mcginn go and he was far better than Miller and Cadden

[Brightside]

I’d play Campbell over Marcondes. Better suited to the league, puts himself about more, scores goals, his assist against St Johnstone was good.

May not be as glamorous a style or name but is more effective IMO.

That's just nuts.

[blackpoolhibs]

I’d be asking Jack Ross if he fancies another crack.

Me too, with the proper backing he would do well at Hibs.

[Brightside]

Being honest it wouldn't be difficult to get better as the current lot have been abysmal we let Paul Mcginn go and he was far better than Miller and Cadden

This is also nuts. Cadden is streets ahead of Paul Mcginn.

[Hibiza]

This is also nuts. Cadden is streets ahead of Paul Mcginn.

Yup and a big street at that.

[The_Exile]

We need two new centre backs and a keeper so I look forward to welcoming our new signings, a striker and a holding midfielder.

[flash]

Being honest it wouldn't be difficult to get better as the current lot have been abysmal we let Paul Mcginn go and he was far better than Miller and Cadden

Better at what? Certainly not football in Cadden's case.

[allezsauzee]

Jack Ross would be better than Montgomery but he wasn't a good manager. The season we finished 3rd in the league coincided with Boyle and Nisbet being in the form of their lives, a bit of luck with injuries and an unusually fair crack of the whip from referees ( we actually got as many penalties as The Rangers that season). He has been found out since.

[easty]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Campbell ends up going the same way as Simon Murray and Gogic.
Classed by many on here as just a “work horse” and not flashy enough for a so called flair team like Hibs .

Maybe, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he went the same way as Fraser Murray, Sam Stanton or Danny Handling.

[easty]

This is also nuts. Cadden is streets ahead of Paul Mcginn.

Definitely overall.

McGinn is a better defender though.

[Brightside]

Definitely overall.

McGinn is a better defender though.

I will politely disagree.

[The Captain....]

There seems to be a fairly vocal number of supporters who think we're going to suddenly start signing a whole new squad of better players.

I'm not so sure for a number reasons. I hope they are right and I'm wrong, as 54 years of mostly disappointment is beginning to get on my thrupennys.

I'm pretty pessimistic about our outlook tbh.

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[USA_Hibee]

Not feeling too confident.

Hearts have had their similar investment/ donations for a few years. It'll take a while to match that id imagine.

[eastmainsmsh]

Definitely overall.

McGinn is a better defender though.

That is what my point was intended to mean Miller makes silly mistakes and Cadden can get caught out when going forward lol

[AlbertK86]

Maybe, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he went the same way as Fraser Murray, Sam Stanton or Danny Handling.

That’s exactly where he will end up. Runs about like a headless chicken. Can’t pass, can’t read the game or anticipate where that ball is going and then charges in clumsily once he sees where the ball lands !


Does score the odd few goals now and again though


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[worcesterhibby]

This is the third disastrous managerial appointment in a row. It's time those responsible for overseeing this shambles were receiving their marching orders..

The guy who is really responsible is the owner.. so quite hard to sack. Kensall is in charge of bringing the money in, not the manager or the players. He has done that. I get why some don't like him (Flash, Fake tan, English) but he has done a great job on the commercial side. McDermott never comes in for criticism, but he is the one in charge of the football side of things.

[RIP]

Kensell is in charge of bringing the money in, not the manager or the players. He has done that.

I get why some don't like him (Flash, Fake tan, English) but he has done a great job on the commercial side.

McDermott never comes in for criticism, but he is the one in charge of the football side of things.

The difference is that Ben puts himself in front of things. He's not afraid to meet supporters or answer their direct questions.

Yet Mr Brian McDermott, the guy hired by the board 15 months ago to run the football operation, hire a coaching team and rebuild the squad gets a free pass from fans due to his cloak of invisibility.

Can anyone enlighten me as to why this is? By the way Mikey Stewart, Kevin Thomson and Tam McManus are all asking the same question.

What's the answer?

[jakedance]

My expectations are extremely low. Our player recruitment has been dismal for the last five or six years. Even when we do get some good players together we still seem to under deliver, relative to clubs around us with smaller budgets.

I really hope I’m wrong but at the moment the smart money would be that next season is similar to this one. I just can’t see us punching above our weight.

[Winston Ingram]

Yup and a big street at that.

As an attacking full back. He’s certainly not a better defender

[wookie70]

Like others I'm not too confident. The initial excitement about the winter signings has gone now and on the whole there were more failures than successes. I will be amazed if we end up with a better left sided CH than Hanlon at his type of wages. Good players are not easy to find and we seem to find it harder than most. The extra money will help but the thing we need most is to buy players that fit the style we intend to play. That means making our mind up about who will be manager and sticking to that for a season at least to allow the dev teams etc to also play that style and see if any of those about to break through can fill the bench and play some minutes.

[Unseen work]

As an attacking full back. He’s certainly not a better defender

McGinn was a brilliant defender for us imo, really underrated.

Can’t remember who it was doing an interview lately and they said when we were playing rangers the whole team would be comfortable that McGinn would take care of Kent.

[blackpoolhibs]

McGinn also scored a few goals, wasnt too shabby going forward but was a better defender than we currently have.

[Hibee Mac]

I'm not confident in the slightest that those running the club will turn things around. In short, they're clueless when it comes to successfully running a football club and that won't change.

I've not renewed my season ticket this year, been going for years but just losing connection with it all just now, I'll renew again in the future but it won't be until I see some change from those running the club. Need to vote with the wallet sometimes.

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[Northernhibee]

I'm not confident in the slightest that those running the club will turn things around. In short, they're clueless when it comes to successfully running a football club and that won't change.

I've not renewed my season ticket this year, been going for years but just losing connection with it all just now, I'll renew again in the future but it won't be until I see some change from those running the club. Need to vote with the wallet sometimes.

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It would not shock me if Monty went on to have a successful managerial career elsewhere, even at a bigger club in the future. When it’s worked we’ve some glimpses of very nice football, I just don’t have a clue what this squad is supposed to be.


I also wonder how many managers can be thrown to the lions before enough of the support will be pointing fingers at the key decision makers at the club.

[blackpoolhibs]

It would not shock me if Monty went on to have a successful managerial career elsewhere, even at a bigger club in the future. When it’s worked we’ve some glimpses of very nice football, I just don’t have a clue what this squad is supposed to be.


I also wonder how many managers can be thrown to the lions before enough of the support will be pointing fingers at the key decision makers at the club.

You could be right, although i would like to have seen some improvement in results and good team management from his teams.

Using what i've seen from him since he arrived, i'd struggle to come the the same conclusion as you.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It would not shock me if Monty went on to have a successful managerial career elsewhere, even at a bigger club in the future. When it’s worked we’ve some glimpses of very nice football, I just don’t have a clue what this squad is supposed to be.


I also wonder how many managers can be thrown to the lions before enough of the support will be pointing fingers at the key decision makers at the club.

I’m the opposite. I don’t think he’ll go on to do anything of note in the game in future. He’s certainly shown absolutely nothing to suggest he will whilst here.

[Northernhibee]

I’m the opposite. I don’t think he’ll go on to do anything of note in the game in future. He’s certainly shown absolutely nothing to suggest he will whilst here.

I don’t think anyone is going to show much here, and when it’s been good under him (admittedly in glimpses) it’s been very good.

The root of the problems lie way, way deeper and we’ll just have the same section of the support shouting about how awful the next manager is a few months down the line, then the next, then the next.

The club is an absolute basket case and it looks like we’re in danger of throwing even bigger mounds of cash onto the raging skip fire that is Hibs right now.

[superfurryhibby]

McGinn was a brilliant defender for us imo, really underrated.

Can’t remember who it was doing an interview lately and they said when we were playing rangers the whole team would be comfortable that McGinn would take care of Kent.

Disagree. He had mistakes in him, for someone who was experienced as him, he wasn't Mr Reliable.

He's still a better defender than Cadden though.

[MWHIBBIES]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Campbell ends up going the same way as Simon Murray and Gogic.
Classed by many on here as just a “work horse” and not flashy enough for a so called flair team like Hibs .

It's not that he isn't flashy, that's not his issue at all.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don’t think anyone is going to show much here, and when it’s been good under him (admittedly in glimpses) it’s been very good.

The root of the problems lie way, way deeper and we’ll just have the same section of the support shouting about how awful the next manager is a few months down the line, then the next, then the next.

The club is an absolute basket case and it looks like we’re in danger of throwing even bigger mounds of cash onto the raging skip fire that is Hibs right now.

And yet our previous manager got us into Europe.

The idea that this is the best anyone could have done is miles off it imo.

[Ronniekirk]

A Review is all good a well but it’s who is the appointed to key positions that is crucial Ben stays for me purely on basis he is bringing in more income to the club and that’s what he should stick to
But thst extra money has been wasted and turned into a 3 .5 million loss but poor managerial appointment and poor recruitment If we don’t address the latter Foleys money will be as well

[Northernhibee]

And yet our previous manager got us into Europe.

The idea that this is the best anyone could have done is miles off it imo.

Celtic winning a cup final got us into Europe, results going elsewhere got him into the top six, and had less contentious decisions from referees and VAR to contend with. He also wasn’t forced to play sixteen year old laddies because the club hadn’t planned properly for international call ups. LJ had Nisbet, Monty has the ineffective Vente.

I get you don’t like him, but it’s a bit weird how little context you’re willing to consider.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Celtic winning a cup final got us into Europe, results going elsewhere got him into the top six, and had less contentious decisions from referees and VAR to contend with. He also wasn’t forced to play sixteen year old laddies because the club hadn’t planned properly for international call ups. LJ had Nisbet, Monty has the ineffective Vente.

I get you don’t like him, but it’s a bit weird how little context you’re willing to consider.

We finished top 6 after 33 games. The fact one round of fixtures saw a result go for us doesn’t mean that’s the reason we got top 6. We got it because we were one of the 6 best teams over the full season up to that point. Pointing to 1 sole match out of 198 that had been played so far throughout that season as the reason we got top 6 is just daft.

Monty has the ineffective Vente, is it not the managers job to get something out of the players? Lee Johnson managed to get loads out of Nisbet, a hell of a lot more than other managers had got out of him.

He’s had to play a 16 year old that he’d rather not have played, is he the only manager that’s had to play a player he doesn’t fancy? Again, it’s completely overplayed. From reading here it’s almost as if we’re the only team that’s had any decisions going against us, the only team that’s had any injuries and the only team that’s had to play a player that maybe isn’t good enough.

The ‘context’ is completely overplayed imo. Theres constant posts on here about how we’d be top 6 if VAR hadn’t went against us etc yet folk completely fail to consider the fact that Dundee can also point to loads of decisions that would have still left us bottom 6. Folk point to a throw in going the wrong way. It’s a ****ing throw in. It happens every game that something will be awarded the wrong way. A throw in 40 yards out isn’t a game changing decision, our lack of ability to defend it is what changed that game.

He’s been a complete failure. At no point in his tenure has he ever had any credit in the bank, that’s how bad it’s been. He has absolutely nothing to point to as a success. He walked in the door, started off with 1 win in 8 league games and it’s been garbage ever since. We don’t need context. He’s been a complete and utter dud.

[superfurryhibby]

We finished top 6 after 33 games. The fact one round of fixtures saw a result go for us doesn’t mean that’s the reason we got top 6. We got it because we were one of the 6 best teams over the full season up to that point. Pointing to 1 sole match out of 198 that had been played so far throughout that season as the reason we got top 6 is just daft.

Monty has the ineffective Vente, is it not the managers job to get something out of the players? Lee Johnson managed to get loads out of Nisbet, a hell of a lot more than other managers had got out of him.

The ‘context’ is completely overplayed imo. Theres constant posts on here about how we’d be top 6 if VAR hadn’t went against us etc yet folk completely fail to consider the fact that Dundee can also point to loads of decisions that would have still left us bottom 6. Folk point to a throw in going the wrong way. It’s a ****ing throw in. It happens every game that something will be awarded the wrong way. A throw in 40 yards out isn’t a game changing decision, our lack of ability to defend it is what changed that game.

He’s been a complete failure. At no point in his tenure has he ever had any credit in the bank. He walked in the door, started off with 1 win in 8 league games and it’s been garbage ever since. We don’t need context. He’s been a complete and utter dud.

Got to agree.

The defenders of Monty seem to have little more than endless whinging about VAR (ignoring the VAr issues for other teams) and making ridic comparisons to what Johnson achieved. Which I find ironic given that LJ had what I consider to be a poorer squad of players at his disposal overall. I understand that we had to play Whittaker or Megwa in around three games when Miller was away, but that doesn't mitigate the shocker NM's had at Hibs.

[Spike Mandela]

I don’t really understand yet just how the new Black Knights investment and sporting partnership will help recruitment. None of us on here really do. January may be indicative of the type of players we see coming. A couple like Maolida and Marcondes were perhaps from a more expensive shop than we are used to shopping in.

This summer is going to be really interesting and I am sure may have a few exciting new faces coming in. Like others, I have my reservations and know it could all go pear shaped and even threaten relegation, but what if it doesn’t? What if they get it right for a sustained period?

Personally I am quite excited about this new experiment and I am prepared to buckle up to see where this ride can take us.

[superfurryhibby]

I don’t really understand yet just how the new Black Knights investment and sporting partnership will help recruitment. None of us on here really do. January may be indicative of the type of players we see coming. A couple like Maolida and Marcondes were perhaps from a more expensive shop than we are used to shopping in.

This summer is going to be really interesting and I am sure may have a few exciting new faces coming in. Like others, I have my reservations and know it could all go pear shaped and even threaten relegation, but what if it doesn’t? What if they get it right for a sustained period?

Personally I am quite excited about this new experiment and I am prepared to buckle up to see where this ride can take us.

I think there's no question that Maolida and Marcondes were a product of our BK links.

In terms of recruitment, I hope the club owners understand that a successful side will attract much more goodwill and interest than a nice corporate lounge or indoor pitch. Hibs can't afford another year of failure and alienation of fans. The Gordon's have been here since mid 2019 and so far it's been pretty grim.

I'm tired of watching this pish and hearing about infrastructure.

[blackpoolhibs]

Celtic winning a cup final got us into Europe, results going elsewhere got him into the top six, and had less contentious decisions from referees and VAR to contend with. He also wasn’t forced to play sixteen year old laddies because the club hadn’t planned properly for international call ups. LJ had Nisbet, Monty has the ineffective Vente.

I get you don’t like him, but it’s a bit weird how little context you’re willing to consider.

Of course results elsewhere got him into the top 6, if other teams had won all their games they would have all finished above us, except they cant ALL win their games can they?

Winning the 3rd game of the season gets you the same number of points as the 33rd game.

[GreenCastle]

My worry is they we end up improving our back line but then lose goals if Ellie and Maolida leave. So fix one issue then can’t score.

Would be nice if we found a balance and improved the back - middle and front.