Online abuse of our players by our fans

[Albert Kidd 86’]

The abuse that Youan and Josh Campbell got from supposed Hibs fans online is totally unacceptable.

If you treat Hibs players like this, who ever you are, you are not a supporter you are a coward and a disgrace.

you are not fit to clean the dirt off Youn’s boots mate, get a grip.

[USA_Hibee]

Totally agree. It's embarrassing actually. Take today's Instagram post about Josh Campbell - half the comments are slating him. There's just no need.

Roasters just can't help themselves.

[Jack]

I really don't know why players have open social media.

They could have accounts only their friends and family know how to access and let the clubs do the day to day football stuff banning and reporting, where appropriate, the idiots.

[Northernhibee]

Other than “show pony stuff”, I wouldn’t call the comment anything like abuse. Critical of him, yes.

[Swedish hibee]

These people who leave the awful abuse aren't always "wee idiots"- click on their photo & you see father's, brothers, mother's. Can they actually see the words they write?
Come on this forum, have a rant about hibs and get on with daily life. But to leave personal abuse on a post on a page is just wrong on every level.

[Albert Kidd 86’]

Other than “show pony stuff”, I wouldn’t call the comment anything like abuse. Critical of him, yes.

all I can say is I would never dream of talking like that to a Hibs player online or in person, it takes a particular kind cowardice to,…. ach you know what this should not need explaining.

[.Sean.]

Is ‘hopefully looking for a move’ classed as abuse? Whoever posted the comment is allowed an opinion wether Youan likes it or not, and they’re not on their own wanting him punted.

[hibsbollah]

Is ‘hopefully looking for a move’ classed as abuse? Whoever posted the comment is allowed an opinion wether Youan likes it or not, and they’re not on their own wanting him punted.

The word ‘abuse’ is wrong in this case, it should be ‘criticism’.

But it doesn’t actively matter, ‘fans’ that go on social media to criticise our players constantly can just GTF as far as im concerned. Especially in Youan’s case where its become an epidemic and hes clearly unhappy about it himself. And it makes absolutely no sense, he’s contributing loads of good things since hes come. Some fans are just erseholes.

[easty]

Other than “show pony stuff”, I wouldn’t call the comment anything like abuse. Critical of him, yes.

Agreed.

I think he was well within his rights to reply the way he did, but it was barely abuse.

[Broken Gnome]

Is ‘hopefully looking for a move’ classed as abuse? Whoever posted the comment is allowed an opinion wether Youan likes it or not, and they’re not on their own wanting him punted.

What's the actual point in saying it though? What's to be achieved? Is that poster needing to gain some sense of purpose by going out of their way to belittle one of our squad?

It's just a really pig-headed way to behave these days.

[RIP]

Far too many cowards in life who hide behind a keyboard. Yogi called them Keyboard Warriors but that's far too complimentary IMO.

Keyboard *****bags is more appropriate.

[Albert Kidd 86’]

All I know is if you slag off/abuse/belittle my team you are on my ****list, I don’t care who you are.

[Northernhibee]

all I can say is I would never dream of talking like that to a Hibs player online or in person, it takes a particular kind cowardice to,…. ach you know what this should not need explaining.

I hate to say it, but aren’t you a bit guilty of it here with the last sentence? It could be read that the person posting their view is guilty of cowardice?

Like it or not, social media (and forums more so) are hotbeds of differing opinions. Two people have said robustly that they’re not a fan of Youan, Youan has robustly applied, that’s both the up and downside of living in a country with free speech (as long as it doesn’t become abusive).

[Juice-Terry]

Footballers have next to nothing to gain from being on social media. Loads to lose though. Just stay off it. Online abuse is of course completely unacceptable. GGTTH!

[JohnM1875]

Footballers have next to nothing to gain from being on social media. Loads to lose though. Just stay off it. Online abuse is of course completely unacceptable. GGTTH!

They shouldn't have to stay off it. That's the point.

[easty]

Footballers have next to nothing to gain from being on social media. Loads to lose though. Just stay off it. Online abuse is of course completely unacceptable. GGTTH!

I wouldn’t say next to nothing. It’s probably great for chatting up girls.

[HarpOnHibee]

Criticism isn't abuse. It's only perceived as abuse by the person being criticized if their own ego is too big. Rather than taking the criticism on board and having the willingness to seek improvements within themselves.

[CapitalGreen]

Bring back the Felipe Morais celebration ⌨️

[04Sauzee]

Footballers have next to nothing to gain from being on social media. Loads to lose though. Just stay off it. Online abuse is of course completely unacceptable. GGTTH!

Why should they have to stay off social media? Just because nuggets want to be keyboard warriors.

[Vault Boy]

Fair play to Elie for sticking up for himself. Does my ****ing head in that some folk seem to think they can say anything about footballers, as if they’re not human beings. 21 goal contributions this season and yet so many can’t find a positive word to say about the guy.

And don’t get me started on the crap posted on the celebration of Josh Campbell’s 100 appearances for his boyhood club, Jesus wept.

[Northernhibee]

Criticism isn't abuse. It's only perceived as abuse by the person being criticized if their own ego is too big. Rather than taking the criticism on board and having the willingness to seek improvements within themselves.

We all live with it in our professional lives. Google reviews, trustpilot, TripAdvisor and so forth - and by the nature of it some of it will be positive, some will be negative. Some will be justified, some we may feel are harsh.

I wonder if those calling the people “keyboard warriors” and the like have seen the posts in question. It comes across as what is thought to be a private conversation down the pub, not knowing the person whose performances they’re discussing has come within earshot.

Both parties had their say, both are entitled to do so, much ado about nothing

[hibsbollah]

Criticism isn't abuse. It's only perceived as abuse by the person being criticized if their own ego is too big. Rather than taking the criticism on board and having the willingness to seek improvements within themselves.

Rubbish. The criticism isn’t constructive, if you are telling a player they should leave the club, how can ‘taking that on board’ be anything else than a negative? What things should players be taking ‘on board’ from fans? Tactics? Advice on attitude? It’s meaningless.

[Donegal Hibby]

I see the Daily Record has a story about it now . Why anyone would tweet about one of our best players who's contributed more than any other player is hopefully looking to move away is madness . Some fan that is btw !. :rolleyes:

[Northernhibee]

Rubbish. The criticism isn’t constructive, if you are telling a player they should leave the club, how can ‘taking that on board’ be anything else than a negative? What things should players be taking ‘on board’ from fans? Tactics? Advice on attitude? It’s meaningless.

They weren’t telling a player they should leave the club, they’ve had a conversation between themselves they weren’t aware the player in question would read. Should they have been aware of the possibility of it happening? Maybe. Was it directed at him? No.

There’s been much worse directed towards the manager and others on here with nothing said, the idea of not sharing our opinion on Hibs because a player may see it would shut this place down.

[HarpOnHibee]

Rubbish. The criticism isn’t constructive, if you are telling a player they should leave the club, how can ‘taking that on board’ be anything else than a negative? What things should players be taking ‘on board’ from fans? Tactics? Advice on attitude? It’s meaningless.

It's true that not all criticism is constructive. Although I would argue that simply telling a player to leave doesn't fall under the category of criticism. Criticism in Youan's case would be lamenting something such as his poor decision making at times. Although there are both constructive ways to word that criticism and non-constructive ways. But either way, if numerous people are telling him that his decision making is poor or needs to improve, then he should probably take that advice on board, rather than perceiving it as a personal attack.

[Glory Lurker]

Bring back the Felipe Morais celebration ⌨️

A brilliant celebration.

[degenerated]

Why should they have to stay off social media? Just because nuggets want to be keyboard warriors.These the type27838

[SHODAN]

Footballers take unacceptable abuse from sad little people who need a punching bag to forget about their own miserable lives. Don't feign outrage when they bite back.

[Monts]

I've seen the screenshot, but not sure where it was posted. Can anyone confirm?

I can't tell if the initial comments were actually directed towards EY.

[WeeRussell]

Criticism isn't abuse. It's only perceived as abuse by the person being criticized if their own ego is too big. Rather than taking the criticism on board and having the willingness to seek improvements within themselves.

I agree that it doesn’t necessarily equate to abuse.

But the day a hibs player starts taking instagram comments from some wee fud ‘on board’ and act on his game accordingly, we might as well give up.

[Northernhibee]

I've seen the screenshot, but not sure where it was posted. Can anyone confirm?

I can't tell if the initial comments were actually directed towards EY.

It’s on the private members board. He’s not tagged, it’s not on his page. It’s a massive over reaction from two people putting their views across in a slight robust and non abusive way.

Just also to be clear, I am neither one of the people who have posted nor do I know them. But some posts on this thread are closer to abuse than their posts are IMO.

[JohnM1875]

It’s on the private members board. He’s not tagged, it’s not on his page. It’s a massive over reaction from two people putting their views across in a slight robust and non abusive way.

Just also to be clear, I am neither one of the people who have posted nor do I know them. But some posts on this thread are closer to abuse than their posts are IMO.

It's not an overreaction. He's been getting slaughtered for weeks despite being one of the few who've consistently contributed to goals this season.

Imagine picking up a knock in training, missing the game then checking your own clubs Instagram, your own ‘fans’ apparently and one is saying ‘hopefully looking for a new club’. **** that! Call her out.

[hibsbollah]

I agree that it doesn’t necessarily equate to abuse.

But the day a hibs player starts taking instagram comments from some wee fud ‘on board’ and act on his game accordingly, we might as well give up.

:agree:
Its a joke. Entitled fuds.

[7Hero]

Players have public profiles , they are gonna get abuse, it is what it is.. they need to be able to distance themselves from it.. bet Messi or Ronaldo don't care about the millions of abusive comments they get every day, all the other players should be the same.

[Carheenlea]

I agree that it doesn’t necessarily equate to abuse.

But the day a hibs player starts taking instagram comments from some wee fud ‘on board’ and act on his game accordingly, we might as well give up.

It’s more than just one though.

You’d like to think that players are regularly reminded that football fans, are unfortunately, made up with far too high a number of absolute roasters. Certainly more so on the digital platform.

I cringe to think what some of the players must think if they skim through even this forum to read what some fans think of them.

It’s not reflective of the support as a whole.

[JohnM1875]

Players have public profiles , they are gonna get abuse, it is what it is.. they need to be able to distance themselves from it.. bet Messi or Ronaldo don't care about the millions of abusive comments they get every day, all the other players should be the same.

Absolute bollocks to expect every player to have the same mental strength as two of the best players to have ever played the game. Especially when the level of abuse at them will be ‘penaldo’ or ‘pessi’. Not your own fans slinging **** at you.

Pretty sure Rashford responded the other day to some fan abuse. There's only so much some folk can take and Rashford is another player that gets it tight.

[Northernhibee]

It's not an overreaction. He's been getting slaughtered for weeks despite being one of the few who've consistently contributed to goals this season.

Imagine picking up a knock in training, missing the game then checking your own clubs Instagram, your own ‘fans’ apparently and one is saying ‘hopefully looking for a new club’. **** that! Call her out.

Honestly, I think this is a case of the mob becoming everything they hate. It reads like a conversation that two people thought was between themselves but was unbeknownst to them overheard. No tagging or @ of the person they were discussing and free speech means we can be critical (but not abusive).

Yet we have people calling them keyboard warriors, nuggets, cowards and the like.

Free speech ain’t always pretty but it’s not directed at Elie, it’s not abusive, and he has replied in a robust and non abusive fashion. It’s mountain out of molehill stuff.

[judas]

Why should they have to stay off social media? Just because nuggets want to be keyboard warriors.

In my view you have to be one of two things:

Offline
or
Emotionally impervious to criticism.

[cameronw-hfc]

Think the response from elie was fine. hes perfectly entitled to stick up for himself. wasn't abuse but wasn't exactly constructive criticism either.

[K-Zazu]

Hibs won today oh look a negative thread

[davemcbain]

We all live with it in our professional lives. Google reviews, trustpilot, TripAdvisor and so forth - and by the nature of it some of it will be positive, some will be negative. Some will be justified, some we may feel are harsh.

I wonder if those calling the people “keyboard warriors” and the like have seen the posts in question. It comes across as what is thought to be a private conversation down the pub, not knowing the person whose performances they’re discussing has come within earshot.

Both parties had their say, both are entitled to do so, much ado about nothing

Whilst I agree 100%, I'd have to add that slagging off a player online is about as sensible as giving a rating for a box of freakin screws I got off the internet (do they screw in or not - pretty binary folks). Maybe if a few folks paused a little time before rating and considered that hotel/random item purchased/footballer they're slating it's someone's career/family/pay rise they are messing with. Most of us can't help but read the criticism and cringe. Telling someone they aren't fit to wear the jersey might spur on one person in a hundred - the other 99 will let it affect their performance and be worse as a result.

Feel the same way about reviews online as I do about ranting about players - we all have an off day, some more than others but we also all know it (or a decent manager will make sure they do). For the record if you are reviewing a business try "The person on the telephone was helpful and courteous. They did everything they could to help in a challenging situation - it is a shame the management of their organisation are utterly incompetent" ;-)

[The Tubs]

Whilst I agree 100%, I'd have to add that slagging off a player online is about as sensible as giving a rating for a box of freakin screws I got off the internet (do they screw in or not - pretty binary folks). Maybe if a few folks paused a little time before rating and considered that hotel/random item purchased/footballer they're slating it's someone's career/family/pay rise they are messing with. Most of us can't help but read the criticism and cringe. Telling someone they aren't fit to wear the jersey might spur on one person in a hundred - the other 99 will let it affect their performance and be worse as a result.

Feel the same way about reviews online as I do about ranting about players - we all have an off day, some more than others but we also all know it (or a decent manager will make sure they do). For the record if you are reviewing a business try "The person on the telephone was helpful and courteous. They did everything they could to help in a challenging situation - it is a shame the management of their organisation are utterly incompetent" ;-)

I'm afraid I disagree. What if the person tries to rip you off? Surely you're doing people a favour if you make it public.

[Brooster]

Forums and social media are rammed with folk who go to a Hibs game every 3 years but feel the need to rip in to our players. You can spot them a mile away.

[JimBHibees]

Forums and social media are rammed with folk who go to a Hibs game every 3 years but feel the need to rip in to our players. You can spot them a mile away.

It is very bizarre behaviour

[LewysGot2]

Forums and social media are rammed with folk who go to a Hibs game every 3 years but feel the need to rip in to our players. You can spot them a mile away.

We probably all know folk like this in real life, too. Mind one person who I worked with years ago. An alleged Hibs supporter. I don’t think they went in all the time I worked with them except for day trips to Hampden where, inevitably they would swear they wouldn’t go back after….

However, Monday mornings come rain or shine, they’d be at me moanin if we drew or lost, delighting that their boycott was somehow being justified. Seemed to hate it if we won or went on a run, damning them with faint praise or proclaiming they were just lucky.

Honest to god, the Jambos at work were easy to deal with by comparison :agree::agree:

[Pretty Boy]

Was the comment directly aimed at Youan himself? I thought it was in reply to another comment on a post by a Hibs account rather than his personal account.

What was said was stupid but I think where it was said does make a difference. Had someone gone on to his own personal Instagram and commented it makes sense he replies. In this instance he would have been better served just ignoring it.

Like others have said I also don't think what was said constitutes abuse. I'd wager 'show pony' is something that plenty Hibs fans have called players, for Hibs or the opposition, in the pub or whatever. I've certainly heard and read dozens, if not hundreds, of people discuss Youan's decision making over the last couple of years.

It's interesting as well because I stuck 'show pony' in the search bar to see if it was a phrase used as often as I thought and in the results there are posters who are condemning the comment yesterday on this thread who have said comparable or worse about other other players. 'Absolutely useless' about Jair and '****ing murder' about Marcondes. I suppose that abuse is ok when it fits our own opinion.

[WeeRussell]

It’s more than just one though.

You’d like to think that players are regularly reminded that football fans, are unfortunately, made up with far too high a number of absolute roasters. Certainly more so on the digital platform.

I cringe to think what some of the players must think if they skim through even this forum to read what some fans think of them.

It’s not reflective of the support as a whole.

I absolutely agree. My ‘taking on board’ comment was a reaction to the suggestion that he should be listening to the criticism and acting on it, rather than replying.

I agree with others that it wasn’t abuse, and wasn’t even comparable to some of the ***** spouted on here. But I found the suggestion he should be taking such Instagram criticism seriously, and using it to improve his game, quite laughable.

[joe breezy]

Totally agree. It's embarrassing actually. Take today's Instagram post about Josh Campbell - half the comments are slating him. There's just no need.

Roasters just can't help themselves.

Social media on the whole is unmoderated unless the words are very explicitly violent or whatever.
It's brutal in so many ways - aside from the abuse of football players.

I imagine there's just huge amounts of people who think that it's just normal to abuse people, as if that's what the internet is for.

I saw the Josh Campbell abuse and there is just no need - it's draining reading that kind of stuff.

[Frazerbob]

Forums and social media are rammed with folk who go to a Hibs game every 3 years but feel the need to rip in to our players. You can spot them a mile away.

When you throw in the fact that you can say what you like online with no consequences, you get what we have today. If you spoke the way most do online in the pub, you'd get a sore face every night.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Will no one think of the bots?!

[LewysGot2]

Tonight at Hibs 1st night we have had a fan cause everyone else in the room to curl up and die with what was embarrassment for many.

Asking Kensall what he was going to do to address our "Centre half problem" leaving none of the 3 main players out of their personal criticism and accusing Hibs of amateurly signing Rocky by accident as being poor and a mistake - with Rocky in the room.

Still can't believe someone actually thought that was an okay thing to do. The faces round the room said it all. Common decency seems amiss more and more. A couple of other cringe questions about things that must've sounded clever or funny in folks heads but the Rocky one was appalling.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Tonight at Hibs 1st night we have had a fan cause everyone else in the room to curl up and die with what was embarrassment for many.

Asking Kensall what he was going to do to address our "Centre half problem" leaving none of the 3 main players out of their personal criticism and accusing Hibs of amateurly signing Rocky by accident as being poor and a mistake - with Rocky in the room.

Still can't believe someone actually thought that was an okay thing to do. The faces round the room said it all. Common decency seems amiss more and more. A couple of other cringe questions about things that must've sounded clever or funny in folks heads but the Rocky one was appalling.

It was a shocker 🙄

[B.H.F.C]

Tonight at Hibs 1st night we have had a fan cause everyone else in the room to curl up and die with what was embarrassment for many.

Asking Kensall what he was going to do to address our "Centre half problem" leaving none of the 3 main players out of their personal criticism and accusing Hibs of amateurly signing Rocky by accident as being poor and a mistake - with Rocky in the room.

Still can't believe someone actually thought that was an okay thing to do. The faces round the room said it all. Common decency seems amiss more and more. A couple of other cringe questions about things that must've sounded clever or funny in folks heads but the Rocky one was appalling.

The original question was perfectly fair, the way it was asked was utterly stupid. Although, in saying that, there isn’t really any point in asking Kensell a footballing question like that in the first place I suppose.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Tonight at Hibs 1st night we have had a fan cause everyone else in the room to curl up and die with what was embarrassment for many.

Asking Kensall what he was going to do to address our "Centre half problem" leaving none of the 3 main players out of their personal criticism and accusing Hibs of amateurly signing Rocky by accident as being poor and a mistake - with Rocky in the room.

Still can't believe someone actually thought that was an okay thing to do. The faces round the room said it all. Common decency seems amiss more and more. A couple of other cringe questions about things that must've sounded clever or funny in folks heads but the Rocky one was appalling.

Yep utter lack of human decency. Totally cringeworthy.


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[Brightside]

Did anyone say anything to the person that asked the qn?

[JimBHibees]

Did anyone say anything to the person that asked the qn?

If not they should have done

[BoomtownHibees]

Did anyone say anything to the person that asked the qn?

Na but BK got a round of applause for how he answered it

[CallumLaidlaw]

Apart from the question what was the night like. How does it work out are players spread around the room or sitting together. Assume there were speeches

Was a Q&A from Barrie with Ben. Then opened to the room. Then a Q&A with each of Emeliano, Nathan and Rocky.
Players stayed with Barrie in centre of room.


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[JimBHibees]

Was a Q&A from Barrie with Ben. Then opened to the room. Then a Q&A with each of Emeliano, Nathan and Rocky.
Players stayed with Barrie in centre of room.


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Ok cheers thought players may have been spread around the room but fair enough.

[SteveHFC]

Was a Q&A from Barrie with Ben. Then opened to the room. Then a Q&A with each of Emeliano, Nathan and Rocky.
Players stayed with Barrie in centre of room.


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Thought all 3 players spoke very well.

[CallumLaidlaw]

It was really poorly worded question but I don’t actually think it was intended as being malicious. Most of the folk asking questions stumbled their way through them as they’re not used to speaking in a room of 400 or 500 folk.

I think the guy asking about double sessions is still finishing his question


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[B.H.F.C]

Two main things of note from what Ben said.

The Technical Director will happen. And with how things have went this season we will likely pause some of the investment that was planned for non footballing things and it’ll go towards the team instead.

[JohnM1875]

Two main things of note from what Ben said.

The Technical Director will happen. And with how things have went this season we will likely pause some of the investment that was planned for non footballing things and it’ll go towards the team instead.

Absolutely delighted to hear this!

[Hibbyradge]

It was really poorly worded question but I don’t actually think it was intended as being malicious. Most of the folk asking questions stumbled their way through them as they’re not used to speaking in a room of 400 or 500 folk.

Ok. I wasn't there so I can't comment on the context, but from the posts on this thread, it sounds like they insulted a first team player who had given up their own time to be at the event.

You don't need public speaking training to avoid that.

[HNA11]

On a thread specifically dealing with online abuse can we refrain from the pile on onto someone who may very well not have the right of reply.

By all means discuss the question as described but calling someone a moron or an ersehole wouldn't be allowed if it was aimed at another poster, a player or in general discussion about most topics so it's not fair game on this thread either.

[B.H.F.C]

Ok. I wasn't there so I can't comment on the context, but from the posts on this thread, it sounds like they insulted a first team player who had given up their own time to be at the event.

You don't need public speaking training to avoid that.

Well I was there and I thought it was daft rather than malicious.

The basis of the question was fair IMO even if it was a waste of time asking the CEO about it. The way it was asked was daft. Others who heard it might disagree, some might not.

If anything, I’d suggest it would more be a dig at the club than abusing the player anyway.

[LewysGot2]

Ok cheers thought players may have been spread around the room but fair enough.

They mingled both before and after the Q and A.
Very informal event as per previous year's do. No owner or team manager this year unlike last but the 3 players came over pretty well. NMW especially.

Rocky said he regulated himself using the crowd - that he is very sensitive and emotional. Feels best when the crowd get behind him and rubbish when things are not so good. Heart on sleeve player.

Whatever media handling course NMW has done through his academy years down south, he learned well.

Thought Kensell dealt well with most things put to him.

[ShinyFantastic]

Tonight at Hibs 1st night we have had a fan cause everyone else in the room to curl up and die with what was embarrassment for many.

Asking Kensall what he was going to do to address our "Centre half problem" leaving none of the 3 main players out of their personal criticism and accusing Hibs of amateurly signing Rocky by accident as being poor and a mistake - with Rocky in the room.

Still can't believe someone actually thought that was an okay thing to do. The faces round the room said it all. Common decency seems amiss more and more. A couple of other cringe questions about things that must've sounded clever or funny in folks heads but the Rocky one was appalling.

Was a disgrace. Ben Kensall dealt with it very well.

[Lewiehas2]

Well I was there and I thought it was daft rather than malicious.

The basis of the question was fair IMO even if it was a waste of time asking the CEO about it. The way it was asked was daft. Others who heard it might disagree, some might not.

If anything, I’d suggest it would more be a dig at the club than abusing the player anyway.

Definitely a dig at the Club about an area most would agree has been a large part of our failure this season. Shame that Rocky was mentioned while he was in the room, but the Club has admitted they signed him accidentally (although a while ago)

[CallumLaidlaw]

Definitely a dig at the Club about an area most would agree has been a large part of our failure this season. Shame that Rocky was mentioned while he was in the room, but the Club has admitted they signed him accidentally (although a while ago)

I mean they absolutely didn’t admit that [emoji23]


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[Alex Trager]

It’s a bit unusual that Emiliano is at so many of these events as a loan player.

Does that perhaps tell its own story?

[MWHIBBIES]

Footballers have next to nothing to gain from being on social media. Loads to lose though. Just stay off it. Online abuse is of course completely unacceptable. GGTTH!

Footballers at a decent level of popularity can make millions from sponsorship via social media. They have much to gain from being on it.

[Brightside]

Footballers at a decent level of popularity can make millions from sponsorship via social media. They have much to gain from being on it.

Not at hibs they don’t. The ones making millions have people running socials for them.

[Fergus52]

On a thread specifically dealing with online abuse can we refrain from the pile on onto someone who may very well not have the right of reply.

By all means discuss the question as described but calling someone a moron or an ersehole wouldn't be allowed if it was aimed at another poster, a player or in general discussion about most topics so it's not fair game on this thread either.

Folk call our players and management much worse than morons on here every week, don't see the admins clamping down on that? :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

Well I was there and I thought it was daft rather than malicious.

The basis of the question was fair IMO even if it was a waste of time asking the CEO about it. The way it was asked was daft. Others who heard it might disagree, some might not.

If anything, I’d suggest it would more be a dig at the club than abusing the player anyway.

To call out a professional in terms of his ability in front of a large audience is completely classless, and in my book that then becomes much worse than daft and much closer to malicious.

[Centre Hawf]

Definitely a dig at the Club about an area most would agree has been a large part of our failure this season. Shame that Rocky was mentioned while he was in the room, but the Club has admitted they signed him accidentally (although a while ago)

They haven't because we didn't. File this one beside Leigh Griffiths for £150k as the 'fact' that's actually more fiction.

[lyonhibs]

It’s on the private members board. He’s not tagged, it’s not on his page. It’s a massive over reaction from two people putting their views across in a slight robust and non abusive way.

Just also to be clear, I am neither one of the people who have posted nor do I know them. But some posts on this thread are closer to abuse than their posts are IMO.

What's being discussed is an interaction on Youan's own Instagram page, not the Hibs.net PM board, unless I'm much mistaken.

Folk can rant and rave on the latter as much as they want,within the relevant rules in place there. The former is a different matter.

[The dalmeny]

It’s a bit unusual that Emiliano is at so many of these events as a loan player.

Does that perhaps tell its own story?

Why? Maybe he just 'gets it'

[Alex Trager]

Why? Maybe he just 'gets it'

Just feel that a loan player would normally not be involved. Especially at this stage of the season.

Perhaps he’s hoping to stay?

But others have said he hinted it was unlikely.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Question could have been worded to say we haven't really addressed the defensive positions/problems, without naming names. I thought it was crass

[WhileTheChief..]

The players and BK must have expected some tough questions and harsh words I’d have thought. It was never going to be totally positive following the season we’ve had.

Sounds like they handled things a lot better than some fans on here that are easily offended by any criticism, whether real or imagined.

[WhileTheChief..]

They haven't because we didn't. File this one beside Leigh Griffiths for £150k as the 'fact' that's actually more fiction.

Pretty sure RG admitted that himself at the same time he apologised for us fielding an ineligible player in the cup.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Pretty sure RG admitted that himself at the same time he apologised for us fielding an ineligible player in the cup.

Hmm I really don’t think he did.

Bushiri at the time said he’d been in talks to come back and was delighted to do so.
Kensell has several times said it’s nonsense and again last night said don’t believe everything you read.


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[B.H.F.C]

To call out a professional in terms of his ability in front of a large audience is completely classless, and in my book that then becomes much worse than daft and much closer to malicious.

I thought the question about us not addressing (or not) our defensive issues was perfectly valid. I don’t think you’ll find many folk disagreeing that we desperately need to address our defence as a priority. The comment about signing Rocky by accident wasn’t needed, was stupid, and detracted from an otherwise fair question (even if asking the wrong person IMO).

[Centre Hawf]

Pretty sure RG admitted that himself at the same time he apologised for us fielding an ineligible player in the cup.

I might be mistaken but I only remember him saying him playing that game was a mistake and we made a 'boo-boo' to use his words.

Rocky Bushiri was not signed by mistake, he was listed as a player leaving at the end of his loan because his permanent stay hadn't been signed and sealed at that point and then announced when it was. What could be up for debate however is whether we wanted him to actually stay at that point.

[flash]

Pretty sure RG admitted that himself at the same time he apologised for us fielding an ineligible player in the cup.

He didn't.

[WhileTheChief..]

He didn't.

Ok. You’d know best 👍

[davhibby]

I might be mistaken but I only remember him saying him playing that game was a mistake and we made a 'boo-boo' to use his words.

Rocky Bushiri was not signed by mistake, he was listed as a player leaving at the end of his loan because his permanent stay hadn't been signed and sealed at that point and then announced when it was. What could be up for debate however is whether we wanted him to actually stay at that point.

At the time it was quite obvious from the statement we put out around players leaving that at least one of the two loanees were going to be staying. Must say I didn’t think it would be Rocky at the time but it wasn’t a shock when we announced him shortly after. Folk just decided to completely misrepresent the initial statement to take the piss out of us for supposedly signing him by mistake.

[Stairway 2 7]

To call out a professional in terms of his ability in front of a large audience is completely classless, and in my book that then becomes much worse than daft and much closer to malicious.

Agreed its utterly disgusting bullying. These people aren't our property and most are kids. It's one thing hiding online but to embarras someone in a huge room is really terrible

[JimBHibees]

Question could have been worded to say we haven't really addressed the defensive positions/problems, without naming names. I thought it was crass

To name a player present at the event when he didn't need to as well as knowing that Rocky has taken fans comments to heart in the past is so poor and unnecessary it is unreal. So lacking in any sort of awareness or decency

[Centre Hawf]

At the time it was quite obvious from the statement we put out around players leaving that at least one of the two loanees were going to be staying. Must say I didn’t think it would be Rocky at the time but it wasn’t a shock when we announced him shortly after. Folk just decided to completely misrepresent the initial statement to take the piss out of us for supposedly signing him by mistake.

I think at the time as well other players probably had to be announced as leaving as they were maybe going to sign for another team and leaving Rocky out of that list would probably have raised questions as well. As you say some people enjoyed completely misrepresenting the situation (the Yams specifically) and its now turned into more than a joke and actually part of a comical narrative around Rocky Bushiri which is wholly unfair.

[LaMotta]

What's being discussed is an interaction on Youan's own Instagram page, not the Hibs.net PM board, unless I'm much mistaken.

Folk can rant and rave on the latter as much as they want,within the relevant rules in place there. The former is a different matter.

Thats not quite right mate - the critical comments were a response to official Hibs account instagram post. Youan then responded after that.

Wouldn't be too disimilar from a player coming on here and responding to criticism of himself.

[Baldy Foghorn]

To name a player present at the event when he didn't need to as well as knowing that Rocky has taken fans comments to heart in the past is so poor and unnecessary it is unreal. So lacking in any sort of awareness or decency

:top marks

[Northernhibee]

What's being discussed is an interaction on Youan's own Instagram page, not the Hibs.net PM board, unless I'm much mistaken.

Folk can rant and rave on the latter as much as they want,within the relevant rules in place there. The former is a different matter.

It wasn’t on Elie’s personal page.