Newell - Stay Or Go

[Donegal Hibby]

Correct, those two are headless chickens and extremely limited footballers. Levitt and Newell are far superior ability wise.

Levitt , seriously? You must be seeing something I’m not as up to now he’s offered very little. As for Campbell I thought he got better today as the game went on and was one of our better players which is something you will no doubt disagree with .

[Bobby's Cinema]

I think counting other poster’s post counts puts you on fairly shaky ground to point at others for obsessiveness, but perhaps that’s just me.
:top marks

[Real Emerald]

Newell is frustrating but is by far the least of our problems.

[blackpoolhibs]

Newell is frustrating but is by far the least of our problems.

There it is again. :greengrin

He's a problem, just the same as the rest of the crap.

[Bobby's Cinema]

I don't really think he was any better or worse than anyone else today.

Often find myself as the one defending JN but how many times after a 90mins this season will we say 'that was a real captains performance from JN today'. Not enough. I don't see him setting the tone in the heart of the team. Doesn't have enough performances where you feel him getting us going and dragging us out of trouble.

[Shrekko]

Really? Ok, how many other players are consistently given the excuse of ‘he’ll be better with better players’, ‘or what chance has he got with these poor teammates’?


It’s true of every single player at the club, yet it’s said about Newell almost on a weekly basis. It’s happened twice in the last half hour on this very thread. So why doesn’t Campbell get the same treatment? Or ekpetita?


It’s interesting that once again you’re straight in to defend him, at every turn there you are. Do you give all the other players the same leeway?

Campbell gets all kind of excuses made for him and so do plenty of others.

I think Newell has been poor this season so far but has been good for most of his Hibs career. If you genuinely can't see he is miles ahead of the likes of NMW and Campbell ability wise then I'm not sure what you're watching.

I have simply never seen a good player get such a high volume of criticism at Hibs. He's not above criticism but people are entitled to defend him for that very reason. It's nothing to do with 'leeway' it's just a reaction to the irrational levels of hate he gets.

[Real Emerald]

There it is again. :greengrin

He's a problem, just the same as the rest of the crap.

He’s definitely not my pick but at least (at the very least) he can actually play football, pass the ball, control the ball etc. There’s players in there that can’t do the ****ing basics. I’m not a big fan of him but “there it is again”??

[GreenCastle]

Newell is frustrating but is by far the least of our problems.

You could say he’s one of the biggest problems as he’s the captain of the team and if he didn’t wear the armband you would hardly realise it.

Add in his level of performance and I think fair many are questioning how he was appointed captain on an increased wage. Yes he’s nice and tidy on the ball but we need more from our club CAPTAIN - the driving force and leader of the team.

Dundee game is massive for him as playing against a good midfield - going to be an interesting watch to see who comes out on top- hopefully the Hibs midfield.

[Real Emerald]

You could say he’s one of the biggest problems as he’s the captain of the team and if he didn’t wear the armband you would hardly realise it.

Add in his level of performance and I think fair many are questioning how he was appointed captain on an increased wage.

Dundee game is massive for him as playing against a good midfield - going to be a good watch to see who comes out on top.

I was absolutely going mental at his performance today, but there were probably 8 worse than him. He’s pish but if you’re cleaning it out he’s actually down the the pish ladder compared to some. It’s a real sorry state when we’re arguing about who’s the pishest player we have when we have urinals full of them. Depressing 🥲

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Campbell gets all kind of excuses made for him and so do plenty of others.

I think Newell has been poor this season so far but has been good for most of his Hibs career. If you genuinely can't see he is miles ahead of the likes of NMW and Campbell ability wise then I'm not sure what you're watching.

I have simply never seen a good player get such a high volume of criticism at Hibs. He's not above criticism but people are entitled to defend him for that very reason. It's nothing to do with 'leeway' it's just a reaction to the irrational levels of hate he gets.

I very much doubt that he is hated by anyone on here, people are simply frustrated that he seems incapable of living up to the standards that he is capable of on a regular basis.

[Shrekko]

I very much doubt that he is hated by anyone on here, people are simply frustrated that he seems incapable of living up to the standards that he is capable of on a regular basis.

Aw he definitely is hated, let’s not kid ourselves. For people to be THAT irrational they have to have really strong feelings.

The rest of your post I totally get - but people expect too much from one guy. His supporting cast really is awful - it can’t be discounted.

[MWHIBBIES]

What is it that Newell is actually good at? We know Campbell can run around and score the odd goal, Levitt can stand in one place for minutes on end, and NMW chase shadows, and can get booked just for farting, but what does Newell do thats so much better than the other lot of crap?

Almost everything.

Dunno if you've posted this as a joke or an attempt at insight but he is just better than those guys at everything really. Far better passer, reading of the game, positioning, even dribbling. Games pass those guys by without them being involved for better or worse. Certainly not something that can be said about Newell. Always involved.

[Unseen work]

Don’t know how anyone can watch the game yesterday and think Newell is the one they need to criticise.

Just because he is captain doesn’t mean he can just change the game or do something by himself

[Since90+2]

Don’t know how anyone can watch the game yesterday and think Newell is the one they need to criticise.

Just because he is captain doesn’t mean he can just change the game or do something by himself

Newell is what he is. He's not great by any stretch of the imagination and if we want to achieve bigger things at the club he probably wouldn't be good enough to start.

They doesn't mean he's terrible though but he is inconsistent and due to his level of experience I think people, probably correctly, expect more of him.

He's our best central midfielder but that says more about our current quality in that area of the park than his level of performance over the past 12 months.

[The Modfather]

Campbell gets all kind of excuses made for him and so do plenty of others.

I think Newell has been poor this season so far but has been good for most of his Hibs career. If you genuinely can't see he is miles ahead of the likes of NMW and Campbell ability wise then I'm not sure what you're watching.

I have simply never seen a good player get such a high volume of criticism at Hibs. He's not above criticism but people are entitled to defend him for that very reason. It's nothing to do with 'leeway' it's just a reaction to the irrational levels of hate he gets.

I don’t think many are questioning Newell’s ability. He has more ability than most of the other midfielders. He doesn’t translate that ability into performances or impact on a game enough IMO. Which is why I see him as one of a scrum of midfielders we have that are interchangeable without any real difference if any of them are unavailable.

[RossScott1991]

Newell is hopeless, as are the others. They are always very easily replaceable from the starting 11.

[Allant1981]

Newell is hopeless, as are the others. They are always very easily replaceable from the starting 11.

Clearly not or he would be out the team, the fact he hasn't been dropped(not just by this manager) and probably won't be says he is a better player than a few on here suggest

[supermcginn]

Levitt , seriously? You must be seeing something I’m not as up to now he’s offered very little. As for Campbell I thought he got better today as the game went on and was one of our better players which is something you will no doubt disagree with .

Levitt is far and away a better footballer than Campbell it's not even close, he can pass the ball for a start. If that was Campbell playing well yesterday then that sums it up, the whole midfield were non existent.

[Crab apple]

Levitt is far and away a better footballer than Campbell it's not even close, he can pass the ball for a start. If that was Campbell playing well yesterday then that sums it up, the whole midfield were non existent.

Levitt can pass but he can’t run and he can’t tackle. Games seem to pass him by. The whole midfield is a problem but Levitt isn’t the answer.

[The Wireless]

On the Hibs midfield is this 1 good enough or that 1 good enough debate.My tuppence worth is and has been for a while the way they are shaped up. Hibs have over the last 3 to 4 managers played a 4-2-3-1 which simply has not worked as our midfield personnel has not gelled. Constantly changing shape, combinations and experimenting with a new formation to suit players unsure about their role and responsibility when the game plan needs changing is confusing and prohibiting players to perform tasks when their strengths lie elsewhere. Modern coaches are trying to re invent the wheel. Top sides all over Europe can set up with a 4.3-3 with a sitting midfield player including Celtic and play with regular success. Win the midfield battles and go from there. Maybe then the midfield blame game, the lack of creative play and runners and support to the strikers etc could then be narrowed down. Video Analysis and technology has a place but sometimes you need to get back to basics and keep the game simple as that is how players prefer it. Far too many coaches with New information are over complicating a simple game. To recap our shape against Celtic allowed them again the freedom to exploit space and overcomplicated our ability to perform.

[WestStandWillie]

Teflon Joe needs to go but he won't.

His set pieces are honking, he makes the stupidest fouls every week and yet he got awarded a new contract and the armband. Absolute madness.

He's more interested in the many golf courses in East Lothian.

[Stuart93]

Clearly not or he would be out the team, the fact he hasn't been dropped(not just by this manager) and probably won't be says he is a better player than a few on here suggest

Or it says more about our terrible recruitment?

[The Modfather]

What is it that Newell is actually good at? We know Campbell can run around and score the odd goal, Levitt can stand in one place for minutes on end, and NMW chase shadows, and can get booked just for farting, but what does Newell do thats so much better than the other lot of crap?

For me, rather than asking what he’s good at (things like retaining possession, being an outlet for the centrebacks etc) the crux of the problem is what role is he best at?

I don’t think he fits naturally into a defensive midfielder (a 6), a box to box midfielder (an 8) or an attacking midfielder (a 10). Though he has some elements of each role without enough to naturally fit into any of those roles without negatively impacting the other midfielders. He doesn’t have the defensive ability to protect the defence as a 6. Doesn’t have the natural drive, energy or tempo to play the 8, and isn’t creative enough to be the 10.

His best role is probably playing as a 6 alongside another 6 who does the dirty work and protects the defence. A Jeggo, Milligan or, hopefully, Kwon. However two 6s is too defensive in this league and leaves the 3rd midfielder isolated.

I think he’s a good individual player but a jack of all trades master of none when it comes to fitting him into a midfield.

[blackpoolhibs]

For me, rather than asking what he’s good at (things like retaining possession, being an outlet for the centrebacks etc) the crux of the problem is what role is he best at?

I don’t think he fits naturally into a defensive midfielder (a 6), a box to box midfielder (an 8) or an attacking midfielder (a 10). Though he has some elements of each role without enough to naturally fit into any of those roles without negatively impacting the other midfielders. He doesn’t have the defensive ability to protect the defence as a 6. Doesn’t have the natural drive, energy or tempo to play the 8, and isn’t creative enough to be the 10.

His best role is probably playing as a 6 alongside another 6 who does the dirty work and protects the defence. A Jeggo, Milligan or, hopefully, Kwon. However two 6s is too defensive in this league and leaves the 3rd midfielder isolated.

I think he’s a good individual player but a jack of all trades master of none when it comes to fitting him into a midfield.

Perfectly described. :agree:

[RossScott1991]

Clearly not or he would be out the team, the fact he hasn't been dropped(not just by this manager) and probably won't be says he is a better player than a few on here suggest

That’s just due to our recruitment. If we could find a midfielder who can run and dictate a game then Newell wouldn’t be near the 11

I don’t even know what newell is good at. He’s got worse as he’s got older

Protects defence? Nope
All our play goes through him ? Nope
Creates dangerous situations / attacks ? Nope
Scores? Nope
Assists ? Nope

He seems to just wander about without really being an expert at a particular thing in the team.

Kwon takes up one position in midfield
McCowan would take Newells

And literally anyone who can play defence splitting passes or have creativity would take Campbell slot.

As I said , all very easily replaceable. Should be the last season with them being regular starters. Newell and Campbell should be squad players.

[Donegal Hibby]

Levitt is far and away a better footballer than Campbell it's not even close, he can pass the ball for a start. If that was Campbell playing well yesterday then that sums it up, the whole midfield were non existent.

You mention him having superior ability, a player can have all the ability in the world but when he doesn’t use it , he isn’t much good to a team . Levitt has offered nothing.

Campbell was one of our better players yesterday . I don’t really know what you were expecting seeing their midfield of Hatate , McGregor and 0’Riley probably have a combined value that’s worth more than our entire team ! .

[sauzee1989]

Daft thread when there’s rocky, Kenneh, Campbell, Boyle, Tavares, Doyle hayes, NMW, mckirdy all offering less than Newell right now

[Heedersnvolleys]

I think we all agree our midfield is very poor and my issue is if Joe is as good as some make out his performances would stand out far more often than he does. Unfortunately he doesn’t and some occasions is over shadowed. Also the new contract/captaincy has reinvigorated this debate as we all thought the players that we thought contributed to our recent performance would be run down and I thought Joe would be included in that.

[Allant1981]

Or it says more about our terrible recruitment?

Most definitely

[Scooter]

Hopefully kwon will help joe move further forward

[supermcginn]

You mention him having superior ability, a player can have all the ability in the world but when he doesn’t use it , he isn’t much good to a team . Levitt has offered nothing.

Campbell was one of our better players yesterday . I don’t really know what you were expecting seeing their midfield of Hatate , McGregor and 0’Riley probably have a combined value that’s worth more than our entire team ! .

What did he do well exactly? What about his performance against St Mirren? Or Many poor performances against teams with lower budgets? He's very poor and needs emptied.

[easty]

You mention him having superior ability, a player can have all the ability in the world but when he doesn’t use it , he isn’t much good to a team . Levitt has offered nothing.

Campbell was one of our better players yesterday . I don’t really know what you were expecting seeing their midfield of Hatate , McGregor and 0’Riley probably have a combined value that’s worth more than our entire team ! .

O’Reilly on his own is worth more than our squad

[Donegal Hibby]

What did he do well exactly? What about his performance against St Mirren? Or Many poor performances against teams with lower budgets? He's very poor and needs emptied.

He had a decent game yesterday against a vastly superior team which I thought was fairly obvious to anyone watching the game . He’s also worked hard , played well in games .

In the 2-2 game against the huns in which he scored a cracker of an equaliser, he was probably our best player. He’s chipped in with goals at St Johnstone in the past that got us 3 points and is a decent player to have in our squad.

Gray obviously rates him who has more knowledge on football than you or I and he’s contracted to 2027 so he won’t be emptied anytime soon .

As for the one you think has superior ability who doesn’t show it , I think his name is further up on the “ to empty list “ than Josh’s 😉

[Donegal Hibby]

O’Reilly on his own is worth more than our squad

Which is why we as fans have got to look on it a bit more rationally rather than just coming out and having a right go at the team , yes there were mistakes and things we could do better but they are just on a different level to us and will steam roll must teams this season.

[hibee-boys]

I’d like to see more from Joe, mainly because I know he has the skills to influence games more than he does. I’d keep him before every other midfielder at the club, appreciate that’s a pretty low benchmark however.

[chrisski33]

Cant get over the fact hes been made captain! Says it all really about whats wrong at the club at the moment

[McD]

Daft thread when there’s rocky, Kenneh, Campbell, Boyle, Tavares, Doyle hayes, NMW, mckirdy all offering less than Newell right now


What is it specifically that Newell is offering more than them?


It’s not leadership, it’s not him affecting matches, it’s not inspiration. It’s not driving the team forward, or protecting the defence, or contributing much.


If the answer is that he’s not as bad as any of them, that’s not a positive. It’s not his fault that he’s the captain, or the best midfielder, but that doesn’t preclude him from criticism.


He has shown he can be much better, but he doesn’t show it anywhere near enough.

[MWHIBBIES]

That’s just due to our recruitment. If we could find a midfielder who can run and dictate a game then Newell wouldn’t be near the 11

I don’t even know what newell is good at. He’s got worse as he’s got older

Protects defence? Nope
All our play goes through him ? Nope
Creates dangerous situations / attacks ? Nope
Scores? Nope
Assists ? Nope

He seems to just wander about without really being an expert at a particular thing in the team.

Kwon takes up one position in midfield
McCowan would take Newells

And literally anyone who can play defence splitting passes or have creativity would take Campbell slot.

As I said , all very easily replaceable. Should be the last season with them being regular starters. Newell and Campbell should be squad players.

Been said a million times but Newell had 4 goals 9 assists last season which is excellent from his position. So yea, he does contribute goals.

Creates plenty of dangerous attacks as well. Consistently playing forwards balls to our wingers and attacking fullbacks.

[hibee-boys]

Cant get over the fact hes been made captain! Says it all really about whats wrong at the club at the moment

We had to make someone captain and at the beginning of the year he was one of the few players the club weren’t trying to empty. They aren’t going to give the club captain to someone just in the door for continuity purposes more than anything I suspect. Club captain doesn’t guarantee him a starting XI slot every week, just look at Hanlon last year. He’ll need to fight for his position like everyone else. However as things stand, even with the introduction of Kwon, I can’t see Joe losing his place in midfield anytime soon.

[NC1875]

Been said a million times but Newell had 4 goals 9 assists last season which is excellent from his position. So yea, he does contribute goals.

Creates plenty of dangerous attacks as well. Consistently playing forwards balls to our wingers and attacking fullbacks.

Consistently playing forward balls 😂😂😂😂

[allezsauzee]

Hopefully kwon will help joe move further forward

THIS! I'm hoping SDG sees the connection between Joe's best form in recent seasons and Jeggo being in the team. It's no coincidence that a player we signed as a left winger does his best work when we have a proper defensive midfielder in the side which allows him to play in more attacking positions

[500miles]

The wailing and gnashing of teeth on this thread don't seen to match the poll results.

Maybe worth thinking about when it comes to people who think their opinion is the default.

[MWHIBBIES]

Consistently playing forward balls 😂😂😂😂

Again, this is proven by stats.

49 key passes last season, which is in the 82nd percentile
5 league assists, puts him in the 80th percentile
165 accurate long balls, 90th percentile
54 chances created, 85th percentile

So yeah 🙂

[500miles]

THIS! I'm hoping SDG sees the connection between Joe's best form in recent seasons and Jeggo being in the team. It's no coincidence that a player we signed as a left winger does his best work when we have a proper defensive midfielder in the side which allows him to play in more attacking positions

I think Newell is playing there out of necessity, as well as the fact he puts in plenty of tackles and is comfortable taking the ball under pressure. I don't think playing with Ekpitita makes that role easy though.

[McD]

Again, this is proven by stats.

49 key passes last season, which is in the 82nd percentile
5 league assists, puts him in the 80th percentile
165 accurate long balls, 90th percentile
54 chances created, 85th percentile

So yeah 🙂


This is a genuine question, and not a dig at you or Newell - when you’ve given the percentile, does that mean the success rate of those stats (so 49 key passes with 82% success), or does it mean 18% of the league/midfielders in the league were better at it than JN? Or something else entirely?

[MWHIBBIES]

This is a genuine question, and not a dig at you or Newell - when you’ve given the percentile, does that mean the success rate of those stats (so 49 key passes with 82% success), or does it mean 18% of the league/midfielders in the league were better at it than JN? Or something else entirely?

It means he's better than 82% players in the league.

[CapitalGreen]

This is a genuine question, and not a dig at you or Newell - when you’ve given the percentile, does that mean the success rate of those stats (so 49 key passes with 82% success), or does it mean 18% of the league/midfielders in the league were better at it than JN? Or something else entirely?

Bear in mind that MWHIBBIES is using total numbers as opposed to per 90 so the numbers he is presenting are not adjusted for minutes played.

For example, Maolida had 23 shots on target last season which would rank him 15th in the league for that metric, however he obviously only joined at the end of January so will have played a lot less minutes than many of his peers. Adjusting for minutes played, Maolida had 1.5 shots on target per 90 minutes, which would rank him 3rd in the league.

2nd thing to bear in mind is Newell’s near monopoly over attacking set pieces last season which will account for a large proportion of the numbers presented by MWHIBBIES. To provide a valid comparison of open play performance it would be more accurate to present the figures excluding set pieces.

[McD]

It means he's better than 82% players in the league.


Thanks :aok:



Bear in mind that MWHIBBIES is using total numbers as opposed to per 90 so the numbers he is presenting are not adjusted for minutes played.

For example, Maolida had 23 shots on target last season which would rank him 15th in the league for that metric, however he obviously only joined at the end of January so will have played a lot less minutes than many of his peers. Adjusting for minutes played, Maolida had 1.5 shots on target per 90 minutes, which would rank him 3rd in the league.

2nd thing to bear in mind is Newell’s near monopoly over attacking set pieces last season which will account for a large proportion of the numbers presented by MWHIBBIES. To provide a valid comparison of open play performance it would be more accurate to present the figures excluding set pieces.


Also thanks, valid point

[MWHIBBIES]

Bear in mind that MWHIBBIES is using total numbers as opposed to per 90 so the numbers he is presenting are not adjusted for minutes played.

For example, Maolida had 23 shots on target last season which would rank him 15th in the league for that metric, however he obviously only joined at the end of January so will have played a lot less minutes than many of his peers. Adjusting for minutes played, Maolida had 1.5 shots on target per 90 minutes, which would rank him 3rd in the league.

2nd thing to bear in mind is Newell’s near monopoly over attacking set pieces last season which will account for a large proportion of the numbers presented by MWHIBBIES. To provide a valid comparison of open play performance it would be more accurate to present the figures excluding set pieces.

This is correct, yes. A good point well made.

Very much puts to bed the myth that he ''doesn't play forward passes'', though.

[The Wireless]

Cant get over the fact hes been made captain! Says it all really about whats wrong at the club at the moment

Maybe it is about the respect he has from those he works with on a professional and personal level. Usually that is how it works. He has earned it.

[hibsbollah]

Maybe it is about the respect he has from those he works with on a professional and personal level. Usually that is how it works. He has earned it.

I think thats a lot more likely than the fairly weird notion we read on here sometimes, that successive managers coaches and colleagues, who presumably know more than we do, have some sort of obsessive blind spot with him.

[Basildon Hibs]

That’s just due to our recruitment. If we could find a midfielder who can run and dictate a game then Newell wouldn’t be near the 11

I don’t even know what newell is good at. He’s got worse as he’s got older

Protects defence? Nope
All our play goes through him ? Nope
Creates dangerous situations / attacks ? Nope
Scores? Nope
Assists ? Nope

He seems to just wander about without really being an expert at a particular thing in the team.

Kwon takes up one position in midfield
McCowan would take Newells

And literally anyone who can play defence splitting passes or have creativity would take Campbell slot.

As I said , all very easily replaceable. Should be the last season with them being regular starters. Newell and Campbell should be squad players.

Great post. 👍

[theonlywayisup]

Great goal by Super Joe

[Ronniekirk]

Great goal by Super Joe
Yep has to stay now

[He's here!]

Interesting to hear McInnes's post-match comments. Clearly rates Newell quite highly.

[hibee-boys]

Interesting to hear McInnes's post-match comments. Clearly rates Newell quite highly.

Most opposition fans and managers clearly appreciate Joe more than a large proportion of our support. He’s had to play alongside some absolutely guff in recent years. Positive signs today with Triantis and Kwon together with him in the midfield 3.

[B.H.F.C]

Most opposition fans and managers clearly appreciate Joe more than a large proportion of our support. He’s had to play alongside some absolutely guff in recent years. Positive signs today with Triantis and Kwon together with him in the midfield 3.

I agree the midfield was much better balanced today. On the comments from McInnes, I think he was talking specifically about needing one of his players to come up with a moment like Newell did. To be fair, that’s twice in a row at Rugby Park that that he’s banged one in to the top corner out of nowhere!

[theonlywayisup]

Anyone know why he wasn't available today?

Think Kwon and Triantis are our main midfield partnership, but Super Joe Newell will still have a key role to play in our improving midfield.

[SON OF PADDY]

Hernia seemly? 🤔

[Wilson]

Hernia seemly? 🤔

Sounds unseemly to me.

[theonlywayisup]

Poor decision making by Super Joe Newell.

[MWHIBBIES]

Silly, really silly today.

We were comfortable till that.

[TrinityHFC]

Silly, really silly today.

We were comfortable till that.

Neither were bookings though.

[Trinity Hibee]

Neither were bookings though.

Frustrating thing is that he was in possession and over ran the ball

[SickBoy32]

Neither were bookings though.

😂😂😂

They really were.

The second could’ve been a straight red for **** sake.

[TrinityHFC]

😂😂😂

They really were.

The second could’ve been a straight red for **** sake.

Nonsense. Wasn’t even a foul.

[JohnM1875]

Nonsense. Wasn’t even a foul.

Have you seen it again? Its as clear a yellow as you're likely to see. Newell studs the guy in the calf.

[LaMotta]

Has to stay on the bench when he returns from suspension. Shambolic from a captain.

[GreenCastle]

Neither were bookings though.

Haha..

They were - no where no ball stopping counter attack - cynical foul.

2nd one - follow through dangerous.

Would make someone else captain - can’t even figure out who as we are so weak all over for leaders.

[blackpoolhibs]

BUT BUT BUT He's our best midfielder.

[Itsnoteasy]

Haha..

They were - no where no ball stopping counter attack - cynical foul.

2nd one - follow through dangerous.

Would make someone else captain - can’t even figure out who as we are so weak all over for leaders.

We've no captains in the team, as you've said

[Joe6-2]

F off

[The Modfather]

Neither were bookings though.

Judging them on their own merit, I think both were. The second one is really poor from Newell. It’s at the half way line with not long left. Just stand up and make the defender go backwards. Why does he feel the need to take man and ball in those circumstances?

[SickBoy32]

BUT BUT BUT He's our best midfielder.

He’s in the Xth percentile for some obscuring passing stat.

Lucky to have him 👍

[Hibiza]

Sub standard player : rubbish Captain.

[GlesgaeHibby]

BUT BUT BUT He's our best midfielder.

Tells you everything about the state of the club that some consider him our best midfielder.

[Steve20]

This thread doesn’t ever need updated.

He has NEVER been good enough. The occasional time he makes a forward pass doesn’t need someone claiming on here he’s good.

He’s the most overrated player I can remember. Absolute garbage. I’d rather see Brian Kerr in midfield.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

It’s definitely all Joe Newell’s fault.

[Steve20]

Nonsense. Wasn’t even a foul.

Newell is garbage. Just accept it, instead of lying pretending clear yellow cards were correct.

[TrinityHFC]

Newell is garbage. Just accept it, instead of lying pretending clear yellow cards were correct.

I’m not arguing either way about Newell’s ability. I just don’t think either of the yellow cards were merited.

[SickBoy32]

This thread doesn’t ever need updated.

He has NEVER been good enough. The occasional time he makes a forward pass doesn’t need someone claiming on here he’s good.

He’s the most overrated player I can remember. Absolute garbage. I’d rather see Brian Kerr in midfield.

He’s Matt thornhill with long hair, always has been.

Dreadful, has been brutal watching him for YEARS

[B.H.F.C]

Joe Newell is a constant in us being gutless, spineless and *****.

Get him to **** along with several others on and off the park.

[Since452]

Pathetic today. Supposed to be the captain.

[GreenCastle]

Worst part is he got a new deal.

Being captain is a joke - that was Grays first mistake.

He's played crap every game this season.

[WestStandWillie]

Oh Captain, my Captain.

Awful. Booked early doors (again) rendering him about as much use a as a pogostick in quicksand.

Disgrace of a Captain. At least he can play some golf next weekend.

[Hibiza]

Keep walking.

[NC1875]

Joe Newell is a constant in us being gutless, spineless and *****.

Get him to **** along with several others on and off the park.

MWHIBBIE will be along to tell you otherwise.

Least of our problems etc etc.

Yet another spineless loser who’s been made captain. What do we expect

[truehibernian]

Had a shot over the bar mind 😂😂

This clown sums up the utter soft underbelly at this football club. Never a player let alone club captain. Flattering to deceive personified!

[McD]

MWHIBBIE will be along to tell you otherwise.

Least of our problems etc etc.

Yet another spineless loser who’s been made captain. What do we expect



To be fair to MWH, he’s already called out JN on this thread for todays sending off

[NC1875]

To be fair to MWH, he’s already called out JN on this thread for todays sending off

Apologies to MW then, was just tongue in cheek as he always defends him.

[B.H.F.C]

First big mistake from Gray was appointing him club captain.

Even this week I was reading about how well he represents the club and all that. He doesn’t represent us nearly well enough the one place it really counts. We were cruising today and he does that.

I’d be delighted if I never had to see him play for Hibs again. A failed winger who has only ever been a central midfielder for us, where we’ve struggled in that area of the park over that period of time and he’s somehow ended up captaining the club.

[MWHIBBIES]

Apologies to MW then, was just tongue in cheek as he always defends him.

I dont. I defend him when it's unjust. Today it isn't.

Getting a lot more abuse than Triantis did for exactly the same thing, though.

[Northernhibee]

I thought he played well today. Didn’t see what he got a second yellow for so can’t comment on it.

[The Modfather]

First big mistake from Gray was appointing him club captain.

Even this week I was reading about how well he represents the club and all that. He doesn’t represent us nearly well enough the one place it really counts. We were cruising today and he does that.

I’d be delighted if I never had to see him play for Hibs again. A failed winger who has only ever been a central midfielder for us, where we’ve struggled in that area of the park over that period of time and he’s somehow ended up captaining the club.

Wait until the summer when Kwon & Triantis leave and we’re trying to build another midfield around Newell and asking why it’s less than the sum of its parts and whether any 2 from Levitt, NMW & Campbell might work this time.

[Itsnoteasy]

Adios amigos

[Nicho87]

First yellow wasn’t

Second foul was right in front of me, studs were up and in today’s game you run the risk. Was surprised the ref delayed it and seemed to be told by United players studs were up.

However 2-1 up a challenge like that on the halfway line in no danger, Newell has let us down again.

New extention imminent with hibs nae doubt

[Ozyhibby]

I dont. I defend him when it's unjust. Today it isn't.

Getting a lot more abuse than Triantis did for exactly the same thing, though.

The second I think Triantis is a crap player I will not hold back on saying so.


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[B.H.F.C]

I dont. I defend him when it's unjust. Today it isn't.

Getting a lot more abuse than Triantis did for exactly the same thing, though.

Experienced club captain and apparent leader who once did something very similar in a game against our biggest rivals v an inexperienced 21 year old who made a bad decision. Newell deserves all the stick he gets. The one bonus is that he misses next week I suppose.

[MWHIBBIES]

Experienced club captain and apparent leader who once did something very similar in a game against our biggest rivals v an inexperienced 21 year old who made a bad decision. Newell deserves all the stick he gets. The one bonus is that he misses next week I suppose.

Ah of course. Different rules for the guys you like.

[hibsbollah]

I thought he played well today. Didn’t see what he got a second yellow for so can’t comment on it.

He did play well. And the sending off was incorrect.
A blind man could see the fault lay with three main things; repeated shocking defending, crazy subs yet again and the two teams being refereed to different standards.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Wait until the summer when Kwon & Triantis leave and we’re trying to build another midfield around Newell and asking why it’s less than the sum of its parts and whether any 2 from Levitt, NMW & Campbell might work this time.

Yeah, what a difference Kwon and Triantis have made. We’ve plummeted to the bottom of the table since they’ve arrived.

[Since90+2]

Liability. Should never be captain.

[B.H.F.C]

Ah of course. Different rules for the guys you like.

Na, read the rest of the post and you might see why different rules apply at times.

[Donegal Hibby]

I dont. I defend him when it's unjust. Today it isn't.

Getting a lot more abuse than Triantis did for exactly the same thing, though.

Don’t think he’s getting anymore than Triantis who did do the exact same thing , hopefully though as a young player still gaining experience he will learn from it though.

[eastmainsmsh]

Move on at end of season handshake

[Hibs90]

I genuinely didn't think he was good enough during his appearance (granted on the left wing) in a pre season game against Dunfermline back in 2019. A few good performances since and nothing has changed my mind. He's abysmal.

[Aldo]

Move on at end of season handshake

To think he was given a contract extension until 2027.

[eastmainsmsh]

To think he was given a contract extension until 2027.

And has been bang average since he first came

[Aldo]

And has been bang average since he first came

Couldn’t agree more.

[Hibees1973]

I've defended Joe.

Let everyone down today and he will know it.

Sadly his lack of pace in the middle of the park is leading to him picking up numerous bookings.

Can understand why some on here criticise.

[JohnM1875]

I've defended Joe.

Let everyone down today and he will know it.

Sadly his lack of pace in the middle of the park is leading to him picking up numerous bookings.

Can understand why some on here criticise.

Not the first time though, that's the thing. Let everyone down by being sent of in the Hampden semi against Hearts.

He's too slow and not sure how but he always seems burst around 70 minutes.

[JoeT]

Time is up, common denominator for years of weak midfield combinations.

[MWHIBBIES]

I've defended Joe.

Let everyone down today and he will know it.

Sadly his lack of pace in the middle of the park is leading to him picking up numerous bookings.

Can understand why some on here criticise.

Neither booking was to do with a lack of pace? Just lack of quality.

We blame far too much on lack of pace on this site. It's very very rarely the problem.

[JohnM1875]

Neither booking was to do with a lack of pace? Just lack of quality.

We blame far too much on lack of pace on this site. It's very very rarely the problem.

It's a problem for Newell, especially as he plays in the centre of the pitch. He picks up so many bookings by not being fast enough to get back so has to resort to pulling the player back.

[MWHIBBIES]

It's a problem for Newell, especially as he plays in the centre of the pitch. He picks up so many bookings by not being fast enough to get back so has to resort to pulling the player back.

So he needs to read the game better and position himself better?

Slower players than Newell play that position at a far higher level.

Was Triantis issue a lack of pace last week?

[JohnM1875]

So he needs to read the game better and position himself better?

Slower players than Newell play that position at a far higher level.

Was Triantis issue a lack of pace last week?

Slow or **** at reading the game and positioning. Either way its a worry.

[MWHIBBIES]

Slow or **** at reading the game and positioning. Either way its a worry.

Just inconsistent. Reads it well and intercepts it quite often.

[theonlywayisup]

Just inconsistent. Reads it well and intercepts it quite often.

Agree, but struggles to now last 90 minutes. I feel he needs replaced after 60 minutes, but we don't have anyone on the bench to replace him with better.

[blackpoolhibs]

The guy has been average since the day he signed, he is one of the reasons we are so bad, even today he was back to splitting the centre halves again and leaving us short in the middle.Get rid.

[BoomtownHibees]

The guy has been average since the day he signed, he is one of the reasons we are so bad, even today he was back to splitting the centre halves again and leaving us short in the middle.Get rid.

He was that bad in his own position that we’ve tried and failed to make him into a central midfielder

[Brooster]

It wouldn't bother me if Newell never plays another game for Hibs.

[MWHIBBIES]

He was that bad in his own position that we’ve tried and failed to make him into a central midfielder

Anyone with a brain can see he is much better suited to central midfield and has been a decent player for us there. Wasn't to do with him being some awful failed winger we had to move. He was playing the wrong position before.

[SickBoy32]

He was that bad in his own position that we’ve tried and failed to make him into a central midfielder

😂 spot on

Terrible player, really ineffective and probably the most lethargic player I’ve ever seen at ER.

[MWHIBBIES]

😂 spot on

Terrible player, really ineffective and probably the most lethargic player I’ve ever seen at ER.

He's not a terrible player. That would be someone like Campbell, who Newell is miles better than.

He's a decent player. Nothing special. Has good games and bad ones.

He isn't ineffective either. Just totally false. Played a part in quite a few goals already this season.

[B.H.F.C]

It wouldn't bother me if Newell never plays another game for Hibs.

I’d be delighted if he never played for Hibs again. Sadly we’ve given him a new deal and made him club captain so we’ll have to put up with him for a fair bit longer. He’ll be back in the team, as usual, as soon as he’s available.

[SickBoy32]

He's not a terrible player. That would be someone like Campbell, who Newell is miles better than.

He's a decent player. Nothing special. Has good games and bad ones.

He isn't ineffective either. Just totally false. Played a part in quite a few goals already this season.

***** in the tackle.
***** at shooting.
Very easy to play against.
Decent at passing to full backs and centre half’s though.

He has plagued us for years and is only getting worse FFS.

Can we no get a proper centre mid in FFS.

[MWHIBBIES]

***** in the tackle.
***** at shooting.
Very easy to play against.
Decent at passing to full backs and centre half’s though.

He has plagued us for years and is only getting worse FFS.

Can we no get a proper centre mid in FFS.
Ah right. Thought it might be a serious discussion. Anyone who says he just passes backwards isn't really worth talking to, considering how many times that's been proven utterly false.

He's not plagued us for years. Ian Gordon has plagued us for years. He's running the club into the ground, the fat ******. Joe is just a footballer, who has had many good games for us. Yesterday he made a bad mistake and cost us. That doesn't make him ***** for 5 years.

[SickBoy32]

Ah right. Thought it might be a serious discussion. Anyone who says he just passes backwards isn't really worth talking to, considering how many times that's been proven utterly false.

He's not plagued us for years. Ian Gordon has plagued us for years. He's running the club into the ground, the fat ******. Joe is just a footballer, who has had many good games for us. Yesterday he made a bad mistake and cost us. That doesn't make him ***** for 5 years.

Patronising guff as per, this is a serious discussion.

He has been ***** for years, no question. Anyone with eyes and an understanding of the game can see this.

No interested in daft progressive passing or interception stats. That’s the sort of nonsense that Ian Gordon drools over. Meaningless ***** that can make poor players appear decent on paper.

Agree totally with your views on the Gordons / Kensell - they’ve been disastrous for the club. But this is the Newell thread.

[Since90+2]

He's not horrendous, he's just not very good.

Average Joe indeed.

[theonlywayisup]

Ah right. Thought it might be a serious discussion. Anyone who says he just passes backwards isn't really worth talking to, considering how many times that's been proven utterly false.

He's not plagued us for years. Ian Gordon has plagued us for years. He's running the club into the ground, the fat ******. Joe is just a footballer, who has had many good games for us. Yesterday he made a bad mistake and cost us. That doesn't make him ***** for 5 years.

Totally agree! You're going to be busy if you reply to all the rubbish that's going to be posted about Super Joe Newell.

I've said for around a year now that we need better and he needs replaced. But, seriously, who would anyone with a football brain replace him with yesterday?

The much maligned Josh Campbell!

The totally inadequate Dylan Levitt!

McKirdy or Youan!

Joe Newell is a good player, but we need better in and around him. Hibs problem is the quality of the players we have as back-up. The lack of creativity and the defensive failings that are sadly far too obvious.

That for me is down the process put in place starting with Maloney. We've recruited far too many inadequate players.

[Heisenberg]

You’d be looking for your captain to drag the team over the line. Instead ours gets himself a silly second yellow due to a complete lack of discipline and we crumble from there. Beyond annoying.

[MWHIBBIES]

Patronising guff as per, this is a serious discussion.

He has been ***** for years, no question. Anyone with eyes and an understanding of the game can see this.

No interested in daft progressive passing or interception stats. That’s the sort of nonsense that Ian Gordon drools over. Meaningless ***** that can make poor players appear decent on paper.

Agree totally with your views on the Gordons / Kensell - they’ve been disastrous for the club. But this is the Newell thread.

If you think he's been ***** for years, it's not a serious discussion. Just emotional, made up, ranting really.

[J-C]

The fact we're still discussing Newell and what merits he may or may not have since he joined in 2019, just a wee mention that if Gray goes super Joe will have seen off 6, yes SIX managers in 5 years at Hibs, he was then when he joined not good enough and he still is even now not good enough, does he hypnotise them with his hair?

[NC1875]

If you think he's been ***** for years, it's not a serious discussion. Just emotional, made up, ranting really.

He’s been bang average since he signed.

And has been rewarded with the captaincy and a new deal.

People, quite rightly are fed up of him, the captain and this joke of a team.

Just because he’s better than Campbell doesn’t mean he’s good enough.

[blackpoolhibs]

A sheite winger, an average midfielder, maybe we should give him a go at centre half, he likes playing there?

[pacorosssco]

Go slow and rubbish . No captain

[Pretty Boy]

He's a nice enough guy.

An average footballer who has shown flashes of being slightly above average which probably makes him an easier target than someone who is just genuinely ***** with no redeeming features (and we have a few of them in the squad).

The 3 year deal we just gave him was madness and suggests not enough lessons have been learned. The next annual/6 monthly rebuild is again going to be around Joe ****ing Newell and that is one depressing thought.

[Bobby's Cinema]

The traits I want to see in a Hibs midfielder and captain.

Someone that commands of his teammates. Someone that drives us on. Someone relied upon to win his one on one battle. Someone that can dictate the tempo of games. Someone that will shore us up in difficult periods to get us over the line in games.

I've put up a defence for so long but let's call it as it is. You'll get none of that week to week from JN. Our standards have declined so much and so quickly. Miles away.

[Brightside]

He’s just not very good. Just like the rest of the squad.

[DH1875]

I don't mind him. Nowhere near as good as the media, TV pundits and the like make out though.
Happy with him as a squad player but if he really is our star player then you can see why we are in trouble.

[coldingham hibs]

We lose with Newell and we lose without Newell, it makes no difference. Bigger issues with Bursik, Cadden (both), Campbell, Levitt, McKirdy, Kukharevych, Miller, O’hora.

[Smartie]

I dont. I defend him when it's unjust. Today it isn't.

Getting a lot more abuse than Triantis did for exactly the same thing, though.

Probably because Newell’s got a track record of it now.

You want your captain to come good for you at big moments. Newell got himself sent off with a stupid tackle in a derby cup semi-final. He got himself sent off when we were set for a huge 3 points with his manager under big pressure.

There comes a point when you decide he’s not a player to trust, even if he can be good some of the time.

[ekhibee]

I don't mind him. Nowhere near as good as the media, TV pundits and the like make out though.
Happy with him as a squad player but if he really is our star player then you can see why we are in trouble.

This.

[Tambo]

After a couple of decent seasons I think Joe has started the season very poor to those standards, yes he's missed the last few games, don't think he played well yesterday.

[blackpoolhibs]

He’s just not very good. Just like the rest of the squad.

He's never been very good, he's average to poor 99% of the time.

[blackpoolhibs]

After his fantastic 15 minutes up at dingwall midweek, he followed it up today with another masterclass display.we are so lucky to have him.

[MWHIBBIES]

After his fantastic 15 minutes up at dingwall midweek, he followed it up today with another masterclass display.we are so lucky to have him.

Dunno if this is a joke or not, but he had a decent game today. Most of our guys did. Strange post.

[CapitalGreen]

After his fantastic 15 minutes up at dingwall midweek, he followed it up today with another masterclass display.we are so lucky to have him.

I’ve been a big critic but thought he played well today, particularly first half. However, like his midfield partners his use of the ball in the final third was often poor (aside from the excellent pass to Hoilett).

[hibee_girl]

Dunno if this is a joke or not, but he had a decent game today. Most of our guys did. Strange post.

:agree:

Newell had a good game today.

[hibsbollah]

Im assuming theres the normal fishing expeditions going on when it comes to Newell. What is surely not in doubt is the bounce ability of that hairdo. Magnifico.

[Nicho87]

Newell was good first half. Second half back to his usual self.

Never a captain

[blackpoolhibs]

Newell was apparently good yesterday, that in a nutshell is why we are where we are, nobody played well, they were adequate, better than Dundee Utd but not good enough in the end AGAIN.

Saying he played well is the exact meaning of accepting mediocrity.

[GreenCastle]

Played well for 15/20 mins at Ross County then was taken off.

Played well first half yesterday- 2nd half didn’t know he was playing.

When he plays like he did first half you have a good player and the team plays better.

What happens in 2nd half when your captain and any small bit of leadership goes missing is just one of the small reasons we continue to struggle / bottle it late on.

[MWHIBBIES]

Newell was apparently good yesterday, that in a nutshell is why we are where we are, nobody played well, they were adequate, better than Dundee Utd but not good enough in the end AGAIN.

Saying he played well is the exact meaning of accepting mediocrity.

It's not. He just played well. They all did. Marv especially was excellent.

It's not part of some big conspiracy. It was one match in which we were good.

[flash]

After his fantastic 15 minutes up at dingwall midweek, he followed it up today with another masterclass display.we are so lucky to have him.

I thought he was decent yesterday as did everybody around me in the stadium.

[B.H.F.C]

Played well for 15/20 mins at Ross County then was taken off.

Played well first half yesterday- 2nd half didn’t know he was playing.

When he plays like he did first half you have a good player and the team plays better.

What happens in 2nd half when your captain and any small bit of leadership goes missing is just one of the small reasons we continue to struggle / bottle it late on.

Agree. Was good in the first half. Was absolutely burst after about 75 minutes and he wasn’t alone. That’s got to be a concern, they don’t look up to it physically.

[500miles]

I thought he was decent yesterday as did everybody around me in the stadium.

Same. Dundee united fan with me yesterday says the same. Other teams fans always seem to agree as well.

Had an old boy at my table tell me Arthur Duncan was pish as well.

Familiarity breeds contempt. But these days, the Internet spreads it.

[flash]

Agree. Was good in the first half. Was absolutely burst after about 75 minutes and he wasn’t alone. That’s got to be a concern, they don’t look up to it physically.

Probably still not fully up to speed after his surgery.

The manager went from making subs too early in previous games to not making them quickly enough in this one.

[500miles]

Agree. Was good in the first half. Was absolutely burst after about 75 minutes and he wasn’t alone. That’s got to be a concern, they don’t look up to it physically.

I don't think he had an outfall after that point. Gray was trying to get subs on for our forwards for ages before the penalty, but United got a wee flurry of set pieces.

[Jones28]

Agree. Was good in the first half. Was absolutely burst after about 75 minutes and he wasn’t alone. That’s got to be a concern, they don’t look up to it physically.

Not having reliable options off the bench to change things is partly to do with it.

I think any midfielder putting in a shift for 75 minutes is going to be knackered.

[BILLYHIBS]

Thought he was good yesterday always driving us forward couple of good passages of play passes sent in a few dangerous balls left the field of play absolutely covered in sweat no question he is playing for SDG and the badge

Needs to keep that going

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Thought he was good yesterday always driving us forward couple of good passages of play sent in a few dangerous balls left the field of play absolutely covered in sweat no question he is playing for SDG and the badge

Needs to keep that going

He was good yesterday, all over the park leading by example.

Won a few headers, tackling was good, passing was good, although couple went astray. His pass to Hoilet was sublime. Seen him shouting and encouraging the team. Tired midway through the 2nd half though probably understandable.

[EGL2000]

Agree thought he was good yesterday, especially first half. My annoyance with him is you only see that kind of first half performance one in every five games ISH.

[BILLYHIBS]

He was good yesterday, all over the park leading by example.

Won a few headers, tackling was good, passing was good, although couple went astray. His pass to Hoilet was sublime. Seen him shouting and encouraging the team. Tired midway through the 2nd half though probably understandable.

Dundee United changed to a 4 4 2 and brought on new personnel and should have scored on the hour slowly but surely gaining the upper hand in midfield going into the dreaded last ten minutes

Not Joe’s biggest fan but gave 100% that is all you can ask and on his game he is a good player

Needs to keep it going and not disappear for the next four games

All hands to the pump

[Bostonhibby]

Agree thought he was good yesterday, especially first half. My annoyance with him is you only see that kind of first half performance one in every five games ISH.Whilst our standards at the moment are those of a rock bottom team who can't win a game he was one who put in a decent performance yesterday, measured against that reality.

Problem is it's just about enough to get us/keep us around where we are if that standard is maintained.

Too many players seem to stop performing or run out of steam and or ideas in the last quarter of our games. Is fitness, attitude, ability or tactics the issue?

I don't know but feel we are badly run as a football club and the gang in place above and around the manager aren't going to be the turkeys that vote for xmas.

Someone posted elsewhere that in being happy with little positives that ultimately see us getting nowhere is excusing or settling for mediocrity. I agreed with that.

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[theonlywayisup]

Thought I'd bump up this thread.

Many have been saying he's a poor captain for a long time. If the poll was restarted, I'm not convinced the votes to stay would be as high.

PS: can we leave what Joe Newell does in his personal time to other threads.

[Jock O]

Thought I'd bump up this thread.

Many have been saying he's a poor captain for a long time. If the poll was restarted, I'm not convinced the votes to stay would be as high.

PS: can we leave what Joe Newell does in his personal time to other threads.

Does the relentless negative posturing even of stuff like this actually do any good, can't we just leave this whole type of thing at moment. A number of players have commented recently on how disheartening things like this are. He deserves his performances to be called out in some games, sure he will get that, but stuff like this now just feeds the rubbish on the other thread. Most of it is just personal vitriol, its pretty draining.

[Centre Hawf]

Does the relentless negative posturing even of stuff like this actually do any good, can't we just leave this whole type of thing at moment. A number of players have commented recently on how disheartening things like this are. He deserves his performances to be called out in some games, sure he will get that, but stuff like this now just feeds the rubbish on the other thread. Most of it is just personal vitriol, its pretty draining.

I'm guilty of a moan about players myself but I do agree. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that we're the cause of any of the issues at the club by having higher expectations than what we currently see, but the conversations are just repeating themselves now with a lot of players.

[Shrekko]

Thought I'd bump up this thread.

Many have been saying he's a poor captain for a long time. If the poll was restarted, I'm not convinced the votes to stay would be as high.

PS: can we leave what Joe Newell does in his personal time to other threads.

You thought you'd bump up this 7 month old thread to see if you could elicit a few more 'go' votes? Wow.

[stantonhibby]

Thought I'd bump up this thread.

Many have been saying he's a poor captain for a long time. If the poll was restarted, I'm not convinced the votes to stay would be as high.

PS: can we leave what Joe Newell does in his personal time to other threads.

Well done you🙄

[Bainsford hibby]

Well done you🙄
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