McDermott - Stay or Go?

[Winston Ingram]

There's a poll for Monty, a poll for Kensell so I thought it only fair we have one for McDermott.

[flash]

I hate this forum sometimes.

[jeffers]

I hate this forum sometimes.

I’m waiting on the kit man poll before my next vote. What was Maolida wearing on Saturday :fuming:

[RIP]

Did McDermott actually start?

[Hibbyradge]

lol

[Ronniekirk]

Someone on another thread said he is going anyway as was always a short term appointment So poll ended

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

I hate this forum sometimes.

We should have a poll to see which days we hate it most.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

There's a poll for Monty, a poll for Kensell so I thought it only fair we have one for McDermott.

Shall we also vote on who gets to turn off the lights?

Are we seriously looking at a a wrecking ball scenario as a tool, with manager, Kenesll and McDermott all go?
Just how massively disruptive to the whole club would that be?
If we’re talking about changing culture at the club - as bigger Nick and Brian have, it is no quick fix unfortunately…
the reality is there was and is a lag between recruitment and impact as time to gel doesn’t always clck.
The big gaping hole was addressing the defence and serious questions need to be asked at this repeated failure that Jack pointed out.

away to draw the curtains and switch the lights off as I lay down in a darkened room til the end of hiberian-ation.

[JimBHibees]

Wonder how the chef is performing? Was their target top 6 in the chef league or just accepting mediocrity

[JimBHibees]

I hate this forum sometimes.

Yep pathetic and attention seeking. Wonder if the chef tries the more innovative flexible routes or leans towards more traditional fare

[RIP]

Ten years ago, under Petrie, there was a serious attempt to fundamentally change the culture at the club. In 2007 John Collins had railed against it by resigning and fellow former players Mixu and Yogi both struggled with the bland 'Corporate' philosophy employed by the former banker in reporting to Sir Tom Farmer.

Don't get me wrong. The club was very well run from an infrastructure perspective with stadium and commercial developments. However from a football perspective our posh and nicey suit and tie approach has perennially failed to show the required amount of grit and guts on the field of play. Apart from May 2016, our club has been 'Hibs'ing' it since 2012.

It took relegation for Rod to hand over the reins. Hibs supporter groups had demanded the recruitment of a CEO and Director of Football with Leeann Dempster as our number one target. Up until the change of ownership we saw a more home grown team on the park and clear evidence of a squad-building strategy. Since Dempster, Craig and Mathie left, we have been reduced to a shambles again in the football department.

The recruitment of Brian McDermott to run the football side of Hibernian FC was trumpeted by Ron, Ian and Ben as a solution. Ben and Ian would improve the club off the park (which in my book they get pass marks for) whilst Brian, with his experience, would bring in a structure to improve the football operation.

He's only been in the job for 11 months so I seriously hope that he's not going to 'Do a Warnock' and walk away from the challenge. Personally I would like to think the Hibs support deserve some insight into Brian's plans for the squad. He is Nick's boss after all.

Communication with the fans is vital at any time and an absolute necessity when we are trying to shift season ticket books. Accepting the request for the Longbangers interview would be a start.

I have a lot of time for Mikey Stewart who has been telling us all season as he reiterated at the weekend:-

"The biggest problems for Hibs are behind the scenes. If you allow those people to sack another manager and get someone else in, you're not dealing with the biggest issue. It's been a problem since Leeann Dempster and Jack Ross left. They are repeating the same mistakes over and over again.”

[Since452]

Seems to spend more time on Linkedin than doing anything to progress Hibs on the park. He can go with that slaver of a manager we have.

[flash]

Seems to spend more time on Linkedin than doing anything to progress Hibs on the park. He can go with that slaver of a manager we have.

Is there any need?

[Centre Hawf]

If the rumour is true that he's leaving this summer, and always was going to be leaving, then it has been a total waste of everyones time.

Director of Football roles should be centred on longevity and longer term planning around the football department so there's a constant thread of ideas woven into the decisions we make over a 3 to 5 year period. 12 months is a total waste of money, time, and effort. We've effectively just gotten another voice at the recruitment table that has no skin in if it worked beyond this season.

Can't help feel like we've been done a kipper here by getting in Lee Johnson's dads pal last summer to complete the circus.

[jacomo]

Ten years ago, under Petrie, there was a serious attempt to fundamentally change the culture at the club. In 2007 John Collins had railed against it by resigning and fellow former players Mixu and Yogi both struggled with the bland 'Corporate' philosophy employed by the former banker in reporting to Sir Tom Farmer.

Don't get me wrong. The club was very well run from an infrastructure perspective with stadium and commercial developments. However from a football perspective our posh and nicey suit and tie approach has perennially failed to show the required amount of grit and guts on the field of play. Apart from May 2016, our club has been 'Hibs'ing' it since 2012.

It took relegation for Rod to hand over the reins. Hibs supporter groups had demanded the recruitment of a CEO and Director of Football with Leeann Dempster as our number one target. Up until the change of ownership we saw a more home grown team on the park and clear evidence of a squad-building strategy. Since Dempster, Craig and Mathie left, we have been reduced to a shambles again in the football department.

The recruitment of Brian McDermott to run the football side of Hibernian FC was trumpeted by Ron, Ian and Ben as a solution. Ben and Ian would improve the club off the park (which in my book they get pass marks for) whilst Brian, with his experience, would bring in a structure to improve the football operation.

He's only been in the job for 11 months so I seriously hope that he's not going to 'Do a Warnock' and walk away from the challenge. Personally I would like to think the Hibs support deserve some insight into Brian's plans for the squad. He is Nick's boss after all.

Communication with the fans is vital at any time and an absolute necessity when we are trying to shift season ticket books. Accepting the request for the Longbangers interview would be a start.

I have a lot of time for Mikey Stewart who has been telling us all season as he reiterated at the weekend:-

"The biggest problems for Hibs are behind the scenes. If you allow those people to sack another manager and get someone else in, you're not dealing with the biggest issue. It's been a problem since Leeann Dempster and Jack Ross left. They are repeating the same mistakes over and over again.”


Brian McDermott has given interviews explaining his ‘philosophy’. He did an extensive one on the club’s own channel.

The issue isn’t clarity. The issue is that his plan hasn’t worked.

He was respected but seen as old school when managing Reading. I just don’t know if he’s adapted enough as DoF.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If the rumour is true that he's leaving this summer, and always was going to be leaving, then it has been a total waste of everyones time.

Director of Football roles should be centred on longevity and longer term planning around the football department so there's a constant thread of ideas woven into the decisions we make over a 3 to 5 year period. 12 months is a total waste of money, time, and effort. We've effectively just gotten another voice at the recruitment table that has no skin in if it worked beyond this season.

Can't help feel like we've been done a kipper here by getting in Lee Johnson's dads pal last summer to complete the circus.

:agree:

That’s not even necessarily a personal thing against BMc. Like you said though, if we’ve appointed a DOF, and it wouldn’t have mattered who it was, to stay at the club for a season then it has been an utter waste of time and money bothering to do so.

[eastmainsmsh]

John Collins would be ideal for Dof

[Brooster]

He's leaving at the end of the season but he'd be as well leaving now because he's done hee haw.

[Centre Hawf]

:agree:

That’s not even necessarily a personal thing against BMc. Like you said though, if we’ve appointed a DOF, and it wouldn’t have mattered who it was, to stay at the club for a season then it has been an utter waste of time and money bothering to do so.

I can't quite understand what anyone at the club was expecting us to do with a DoF that was only involved for 12 months? If Lee Johnson never gets sacked then he's not even part of hiring a manager. He had two windows, one of which seems to be heavily influenced by our BK deal and the new manager signing a CB he's worked with.

Obita looks like the one he's had a hand in. Fair enough, he's probably been our POTY really.

As you say this isn't a personal attack on Brian, but I really at this point have no idea what he's contributed to us in 12 months to justify saying 'job done' at the end of the season other than signing a fairly decent left back.

[brianmc]

The only positive to all these pointless poll threads is it gives us a break from the usual tedious puns.

[Hibbyradge]

The only positive to all these pointless poll threads is it gives us a break from the usual tedious puns.

I've not been reading everything, but when was the last pun thread?

[RIP]

The only positive to all these pointless poll threads is it gives us a break from the usual tedious puns.

Not the only point Brian. Our football performance hasn't been good enough and the Scottish Football fraternity are discussing why. Aren't Hibs supporters entitled to enquire why the very man the board recruited to improve that side of the club doesn't appear to have fulfilled his role?

[Itsnoteasy]

i can't quite understand what anyone at the club was expecting us to do with a dof that was only involved for 12 months? If lee johnson never gets sacked then he's not even part of hiring a manager. He had two windows, one of which seems to be heavily influenced by our bk deal and the new manager signing a cb he's worked with.

Obita looks like the one he's had a hand in. Fair enough, he's probably been our poty really.

As you say this isn't a personal attack on brian, but i really at this point have no idea what he's contributed to us in 12 months to justify saying 'job done' at the end of the season other than signing a fairly decent left back.

alf

[NC1875]

He's leaving at the end of the season but he'd be as well leaving now because he's done hee haw.

He was only ever appointed to take the heat off Ben Teflon Kensell.

He is our biggest problem. Safe massively overpaid job no matter how much he fails.

[Hibiza]

There's a poll for Monty, a poll for Kensell so I thought it only fair we have one for McDermott.

May as well get rid of the three or four.

[Centre Hawf]

alf

And ALF, you're right. I assume he worked with him at Reading too. Still not exactly the best business we've ever conducted but it gets a soft pass.

[jeffers]

He was only ever appointed to take the heat off Ben Teflon Kensell.

He is our biggest problem. Safe massively overpaid job no matter how much he fails.

Even though that’s not true it continues to be passed off as fact.

[leith lynx]

The only positive to all these pointless poll threads is it gives us a break from the usual tedious puns.

Quite a pollished comment that....

[jacomo]

John Collins would be ideal for Dof


:agree:

Although he’d need a hand with recruitment.

[RIP]

He was only ever appointed to take the heat off Ben Teflon Kensell.

He is our biggest problem. Safe massively overpaid job no matter how much he fails.

Not having that.

Leeann appointed George Craig as DOF in 2014 to make sure that the club had a competent person running all aspects of the football operation. We moaned for years that Petrie as CEO was ill qualified to do that.

We can hardly complain when a CEO who is doing an excellent job in improving investment and infrastructure acknowledges the need for a football specialist.

[jeffers]

He's leaving at the end of the season but he'd be as well leaving now because he's done hee haw.

Is he ?

[matty_f]

I wouldn't want to vote either way until I know what he has done/does. When he talked about the role I found him to be very vague and it sounded almost like he saw himself in a sort of advisory position for the manager and coaches to speak to when they wanted some help, which I'm sure is appreciated but it's some way short of what I would expect a DoF to be doing.

[coldingham hibs]

Would need to know what he has contributed first.

[B.H.F.C]

I wouldn't want to vote either way until I know what he has done/does. When he talked about the role I found him to be very vague and it sounded almost like he saw himself in a sort of advisory position for the manager and coaches to speak to when they wanted some help, which I'm sure is appreciated but it's some way short of what I would expect a DoF to be doing.

Agree with this. Because of the mess we’ve made of recruitment, I think folk thought he just needed to come in and sort out a few players. A proper DOF should be coming in and really getting a hold of the club and reshaping things, I never got the feeling that was happening or going to happen. Either way, if you’re appointing someone to that position that only lasts a year, it’s another crap appointment.

[jeffers]

Agree with this. Because of the mess we’ve made of recruitment, I think folk thought he just needed to come in and sort out a few players. A proper DOF should be coming in and really getting a hold of the club and reshaping things, I never got the feeling that was happening or going to happen. Either way, if you’re appointing someone to that position that only lasts a year, it’s another crap appointment.

It’s become another .net fact that he’s leaving. I don’t believe he’s going anywhere.

[brianmc]

Quite a pollished comment that....

🏆 Congratulations on being first 😂

[Winston Ingram]

Not having that.

Leeann appointed George Craig as DOF in 2014 to make sure that the club had a competent person running all aspects of the football operation. We moaned for years that Petrie as CEO was ill qualified to do that.

We can hardly complain when a CEO who is doing an excellent job in improving investment and infrastructure acknowledges the need for a football specialist.

This is where I am with Kensell. Unlike the appointment of Maloney, McDermott has all the necessary experience on his CV to justify his appointment.

With that in mind, the buck then lies with McDermott for appointing NM and ignoring all the red flags.

[jacomo]

Is there any need?


No, it’s a deeply tedious website full of people lying about their achievements and offering pointless ‘insight’.

[flash]

No, it’s a deeply tedious website full of people lying about their achievements and offering pointless ‘insight’.

And that's just hibs.net.

[GreenCastle]

Not having that.

Leeann appointed George Craig as DOF in 2014 to make sure that the club had a competent person running all aspects of the football operation. We moaned for years that Petrie as CEO was ill qualified to do that.

We can hardly complain when a CEO who is doing an excellent job in improving investment and infrastructure acknowledges the need for a football specialist.

But he did bring in a DOF at a time when he was taking a load of flak about Ross and Maloney being sacked.

If he wasn’t under as much pressure I doubt he would have taken 4 months to find a DOF.

If we took 4 months to find him and if he’s leaving so quickly questions have to be asked what is going on.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

We keep hearing of “the plan”. Monty has one.
There’s a plan with a bigger picture.
How’s about sharing some of it with the long suffering punters?

Maybe even if there’s a lag due to protecting commercial / negotiations they can show us surely it’s not that top secret? I wonder if they’d hoped that the Foley deal would be ratified earlier and that impacted the Jan window.

[Haymaker]

John Collins would be ideal for DofNot sure on DoF but certainly he should be head of our academy setting the tone on player development and what it means/takes to make it at the very top.

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