Is he staying?

[Juice-Terry]

This is not about whether he should/you want NM to go; rather, the question is whether he will be here for the start of next season or not?

[California-Hibs]

He absolutely will be. (Sadly)

[JohnM1875]

He absolutely will be. (Sadly)

Aye, agree. If he survives finishing bottom six and isn't punted in the next day or so then he'll get the summer window.

[Cabbage-Patch]

If he is at the POTY bash tonight I think that tells us all we need to know. He will be here next season(unless he somehow gets us relegated through the playoffs) at this stage nothing is off the table

[B.H.F.C]

I don’t think he’ll be away anywhere between now and the end of the season. Beyond that, I’m not sure.

[Mikey_1875]

Yes. It’s a massive mistake though imo and could cause a lot of damage. The support has been remarkably resilient in attending so far but I think STs will take a dip for next season and the mediocrity I predict to follow it will only see crowds drop further.

I doubt we will be able to overhaul as many players as we require to make a poor manager look successful.

[Musselbound]

Aye, agree. If he survives finishing bottom six and isn't punted in the next day or so then he'll get the summer window.

Surely there is another scenario? I see little point in appointing a caretaker unless it was someone being considered for the job. Monty's position could easily be reviewed at the end of the season.

[JohnM1875]

Surely there is another scenario? I see little point in appointing a caretaker unless it was someone being considered for the job. Monty's position could easily be reviewed at the end of the season.

Just don't see the point in giving him the rest of the season if we’re cutting ties. Much more likely we'd just punt him and let Gray see out the season.

[Musselbound]

Just don't see the point in giving him the rest of the season if we’re cutting ties. Much more likely we'd just punt him and let Gray see out the season.

Fair enough. That's a possibility too.

[Pretty Boy]

I think he'll stay. I'm convinced we are going to double down and give him the summer barring a near impossIble disaster in the bottom 6 that ends with us in the play offs.

I'd like to hear some communication from the club either way. Either he goes tomorrow or we come out and say Monty is our man. I doubt it will happen though, the ability to batten down the hatches has persisted regardless of who is running the show at Hibs.

[K-Zazu]

Can’t just keep sacking managers, he will get the summer and and another transfer window.

[hulk]

Can’t just keep sacking managers, he will get the summer and and another transfer window.

We can especially when they fail to meet minimum requirements. Finishing behind Killie, st Mirren and Dundee is totally unacceptable. I hope it’s in his contract that if he didn’t get top 6 we can boot him out for free or on the cheap

[Donegal Hibby]

Can’t just keep sacking managers, he will get the summer and and another transfer window.

Agree and hopefully he will.

[Smartie]

One of the other problems I have with him staying (apart from the obvious) is that I think the start to next season is going to be tough for any manager… and with zero goodwill in the bank it feels inevitable that we’d end up repeating the mistakes of this season by giving him the bullet early next season - thus writing off another season as a transitional season.

When Stubbs had a rebuild this size it took him until about November to get his team playing. Unless Hibs manage to do something they’ve basically never done before, the team we’re going to start the season with is going to be pretty eye-wateringly poor. Whoever is in charge at that point is going to need patience and understanding of some sort - something Monty has no chance of getting.

This problem won’t be on him but he’ll carry the can for it.

[ozwoody]

I think the thing to ask is has he improved the team? That's got to be minimum requirement. Yes , we can bang on about VAR and ref's, but these can be overlooked somewhat if the team was improving week on week.

Unfortunately, the answer has to be no, there's been no improvement, probably more regression, and that cannot continue to happen.

Losing out on top 6 has cost us a few million in terms of attendance, hospitality, placings and chance of Europe.
That will now have to be offset with Foley's money , reducing transfer cash next season

[Since452]

I was expecting him to be away yesterday and it to be announced today. The fact he was at the awards thing has me really concerned that he'll be here next season. Another season with this football doesn't bare thinking about. My enthusiasm for Hibs is dwindling under him.

[DH1875]

Are the rumours about his family not settling and wanting to return to Australia true?

[One Day Soon]

I'll be genuinely astonished if they move him on. I think they certainly should but I very much doubt they will. Kensell and Gordon

These two guys will in no way want to admit that they got a third managerial appointment comically wrong. So that likely means he gets the summer window and probably the first half of next season to prove that their 'we are such clever boys' appointment worked. Very much like their player wheeling and dealing strategy over recent years.

I really don't know why all other clubs don't also adopt this clever strategy of having people with zero football knowledge putting their fingerprints all over the footballing side of the club. Still, it's another Hibs first so we'll be able to crow about that in years to come...

[we are hibs]

I think he's going to be here next season if he survives today.

Also think it's a unsustainable situation because as soon as we lose one game next season, rightly or wrongly folk are going to be on his back. It was the same with Johnson at the start of this season.

[One Day Soon]

I think he's going to be here next season if he survives today.

Also think it's a unsustainable situation because as soon as we lose one game next season, rightly or wrongly folk are going to be on his back. It was the same with Johnson at the start of this season.

I suspect that the only way they would shift him is if there was some kind of significant and sustained supporter reaction. There won't be because we are now in a state of general apathy nurtured and sustained by the entirely dull season, style of play and style of leadership we have been fed over this season and prior to that.

[overdrive]

Unfortunately, I think he's going nowhere. As someone mentioned, Kensell and Ian Gordon will double down on this. It has been rumoured that McDermott is on his way out. That'll probably be spun that he's taking the blame for this hellish season. That'll briefly take the heat off Kensell and Gordon until we no doubt have a bad start to the season next season and we are back in a transition season.

I'm really hoping Foley shows some ruthlessness here and brings in his own man.

[Yorkshire HFC]

We can especially when they fail to meet minimum requirements. Finishing behind Killie, st Mirren and Dundee is totally unacceptable. I hope it’s in his contract that if he didn’t get top 6 we can boot him out for free or on the cheap

What sort of people would move someone from Australia to Scotland then sack them after 6 months. I don't have much faith in the people running the club but surely they feel some sort of responsibility to him.

[Chorley Hibee]

What sort of people would move someone from Australia to Scotland then sack them after 6 months. I don't have much faith in the people running the club but surely they feel some sort of responsibility to him.

Their responsibility is to Hibernian Football Club before anyone else.

Their reluctance probably stems from the fact that their jobs are now under the microscope too.

[Chorley Hibee]

Unfortunately, I think he's going nowhere. As someone mentioned, Kensell and Ian Gordon will double down on this. It has been rumoured that McDermott is on his way out. That'll probably be spun that he's taking the blame for this hellish season. That'll briefly take the heat off Kensell and Gordon until we no doubt have a bad start to the season next season and we are back in a transition season.

I'm really hoping Foley shows some ruthlessness here and brings in his own man.

I can see this outcome a mile off.

So typically Hibs.

[TrinityHFC]

I suspect that the only way they would shift him is if there was some kind of significant and sustained supporter reaction. There won't be because we are now in a state of general apathy nurtured and sustained by the entirely dull season, style of play and style of leadership we have been fed over this season and prior to that.

There wasn’t really any supporter action against Johnston. A few grumbles but nothing wide spread or sustained.

[flash]

I can see this outcome a mile off.

So typically Hibs.

How is it typically Hibs when we have been sacking managers in a regular basis recently?

[SickBoy32]

There wasn’t really any supporter action against Johnston. A few grumbles but nothing wide spread or sustained.

The Livi game at ER certainly had levels of anti-LJ chanting that hasn’t been heard since relegation IMO.

[Smartie]

There wasn’t really any supporter action against Johnston. A few grumbles but nothing wide spread or sustained.

The fans turned on him during his last game and it had that feeling of there not being any way back for him from there. It certainly wasn't sustained but it wasn't insignificant either.

That game had exactly the same "straw that broke the camel's back" feeling about it as Saturday, where many (most) waverers turned.

[Winston Ingram]

What sort of people would move someone from Australia to Scotland then sack them after 6 months. I don't have much faith in the people running the club but surely they feel some sort of responsibility to him.

So what should we do? Ignore the fact that he's failed to demonstrate an ounce of capability and sit back and watch us continue to plummet just cos it won't be very nice of us to sack him?

[Basildon Hibs]

Can’t just keep sacking managers, he will get the summer and and another transfer window.

Yes, yes we can.

[Chorley Hibee]

How is it typically Hibs when we have been sacking managers in a regular basis recently?

Most folk knew Johnson was on borrowed time and shouldn't have been given the summer to then be sacked 3 games into the season.

We're in danger of repeating the same scenario only 12 months later.

It won't be long before it's another inevitable season of transition and the new man needs time, his own window etc, etc.

Rinse and repeat.

Get him out now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

What sort of people would move someone from Australia to Scotland then sack them after 6 months. I don't have much faith in the people running the club but surely they feel some sort of responsibility to him.

He moved from Australia fully in the knowledge of how football works. He’ll also have had targets outlined to him that he’s failed.

If he didn’t want to put himself in a position where he might get sacked after 8 months of continuous failure then he probably shouldn’t have taken the job.

The idea that the board of directors would be bad people for replacing someone who has completely failed at the job they were employed to do is mental imo.

[Winston Ingram]

The fans turned on him during his last game and it had that feeling of there not being any way back for him from there. It certainly wasn't sustained but it wasn't insignificant either.

That game had exactly the same "straw that broke the camel's back" feeling about it as Saturday, where many (most) waverers turned.

I think the final nail was him turning and cupping his ears to the Hibs fans after we made it 1-1 and while he was doing it, Bruce Anderson was scoring to make it 2-1 to Livi.

[He's here!]

I suspect that the only way they would shift him is if there was some kind of significant and sustained supporter reaction. There won't be because we are now in a state of general apathy nurtured and sustained by the entirely dull season, style of play and style of leadership we have been fed over this season and prior to that.

A dramatic drop-off in season ticket purchases - and the attendant concerns this would raise about the club's much-vaunted hospitality - might jolt the complacent ownership into some sort of reaction.

It's remarkable that season ticket sales have held up as well as they have in recent seasons but a dismal post-six set of games where we toy with getting dragged into the play-offs would surely dissuade some from renewing.

Other than that I can't, as you say, see the reaction being much more than ongoing apathy and a crossing of fingers that somehow things will be better next season. A baying mob with pitchforks descending on East Mains seems a long way off.

[ScottB]

I think he’ll be gone. Any time new owners turn up at a club, they inherit people that weren’t their choices, so chances of change are high, regardless of performance.

Ultimately, the intent is for Hibs to play host to prospects from across the BK group, so I would assume they will want those prospects coached by folk who are up to that task, so unless we think Foley and co will have seen enough to think our current football related staff are capable of that, I’d expect to see a lot of change this summer.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

What worries me is that we might not get another win this season 🤔☹

[Smartie]

I think he’ll be gone. Any time new owners turn up at a club, they inherit people that weren’t their choices, so chances of change are high, regardless of performance.

Ultimately, the intent is for Hibs to play host to prospects from across the BK group, so I would assume they will want those prospects coached by folk who are up to that task, so unless we think Foley and co will have seen enough to think our current football related staff are capable of that, I’d expect to see a lot of change this summer.

I'm not really convinced that "footballing success for Hibs" is that high on Foley's agenda.

He'll be interested in assessing the quality of Monty's coaching, get a feel of whether or not he's going to be able to develop players and how he handles giving them time in the first team. Our actual results will be secondary to him.

The Gordons, for all the criticisms we can throw at them, certainly have skin in the game and a desire for Ron's legacy to be a positive one.

Where that all cancels out, I don't know.

[He's here!]

He moved from Australia fully in the knowledge of how football works. He’ll also have had targets outlined to him that he’s failed.

If he didn’t want to put himself in a position where he might get sacked after 8 months of continuous failure then he probably shouldn’t have taken the job.

The idea that the board of directors would be bad people for replacing someone who has completely failed at the job they were employed to do is mental imo.

He presumably took the job because he's ambitious and was prepared to uproot his family to help meet those ambitions. So yes, he's going to be well aware of the risks that entails.

However, the nature of a football manager's job is more cutthroat than it's ever been and it must be hard for those with young families to move them around the UK, let alone from the other side of the world. I have sympathy for him in that respect but I'd be surprised if it affected the ownership's thinking when it comes to a decision on his future. Mind you, we hear so little from them it's hard to know what they think. My guess, though, would be that they'll be very reluctant to acknowledge yet another managerial failure and will retain Monty on the basis they feel he needs longer to prove he can turn things around. He himself seemed relatively sure he was in this for the long haul when he spoke last week, although you got the impression that may have been dependent on reaching the top six.

[The Hibee Harp]

We can especially when they fail to meet minimum requirements. Finishing behind Killie, st Mirren and Dundee is totally unacceptable. I hope it’s in his contract that if he didn’t get top 6 we can boot him out for free or on the cheap

If that is not in his contract then our leaders are not doing their job properly.

[ScottB]

I'm not really convinced that "footballing success for Hibs" is that high on Foley's agenda.

He'll be interested in assessing the quality of Monty's coaching, get a feel of whether or not he's going to be able to develop players and how he handles giving them time in the first team. Our actual results will be secondary to him.

The Gordons, for all the criticisms we can throw at them, certainly have skin in the game and a desire for Ron's legacy to be a positive one.

Where that all cancels out, I don't know.

I don’t either, at least not as the first thing on his list.

Can our current coaches develop players and adequately prepare them for life at Lorient or Bournemouth will be at the top of the list, and given our issues this season, I’m not sure they’d get a passing mark on that front.

[Smartie]

He presumably took the job because he's ambitious and was prepared to uproot his family to help meet those ambitions. So yes, he's going to be well aware of the risks that entails.

However, the nature of a football manager's job is more cutthroat than it's ever been and it must be hard for those with young families to move them around the UK, let alone from the other side of the world. I have sympathy for him in that respect but I'd be surprised if it affected the ownership's thinking when it comes to a decision on his future. Mind you, we hear so little from them it's hard to know what they think. My guess, though, would be that they'll be very reluctant to acknowledge yet another managerial failure and will retain Monty on the basis they feel he needs longer to prove he can turn things around. He himself seemed relatively sure he was in this for the long haul when he spoke last week, although you got the impression that may have been dependent on reaching the top six.

I must admit, I thought it was a strange move for him to make.

As a young footballer in my early 20s with few ties - of course I'd be making my way from Oz to Europe to try to progress upwards. Europe is where it's at for players.

As a Dad though, uprooting his family to come here to do a job that is notoriously short term, that's before you get onto Hibs being Hibs? I'd have been staying put for as long as possible, moving within Australia at a push.

I have a mate who stays out there and watches CCM - and there's absolutely no way you'd catch him moving back here in a million years, amazing quality of life.

[Hiber-nation]

He absolutely will be. (Sadly)

Why do people who don't know the answer keep posting this?

You don't know. Why state it as fact?

[Winston Ingram]

I must admit, I thought it was a strange move for him to make.

As a young footballer in my early 20s with few ties - of course I'd be making my way from Oz to Europe to try to progress upwards. Europe is where it's at for players.

As a Dad though, uprooting his family to come here to do a job that is notoriously short term, that's before you get onto Hibs being Hibs? I'd have been staying put for as long as possible, moving within Australia at a push.

I have a mate who stays out there and watches CCM - and there's absolutely no way you'd catch him moving back here in a million years, amazing quality of life.

He's still only 42 and obviously looking to achieve things in the game. I'm assuming that his ambition would be to manage in England and coming to Scotland puts in the shop window for that. If he did well here, that gives the opportunity to secure the welfare of his family.

[andrew_dundee]

It may be that they wait until the next 5 weeks are over before deciding. Obv if we get 15 out of 15 (lol) that would be a better finish than 0 out of 15. It's also not clear that removing him would help the players right now in terms of confidence/maximising points.

It may also be a contractual point or sounding out successors for all that we know.

Equally he may be sacked at the exact moment I'm posting this...

[Ozyhibby]

Shocking that the club never acted this morning in my opinion. There is zero benefit to delaying this. He is finished now. He will never win back the trust of the fans.
Every day we delay hurts the club and is a failure by the board.


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[mcfly]

I don’t think the board will take too much notice of a few moans on here.

Whether the manager stays or goes will be down to attendances in next home games and season ticket renewals .

It’s all down to pounds/pence at end of day

[flash]

Shocking that the club never acted this morning in my opinion. There is zero benefit to delaying this. He is finished now. He will never win back the trust of the fans.
Every day we delay hurts the club and is a failure by the board.


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I don't think this one is anything like as clearcut as Maloney or Johnston as there are potentially mitigating factors in play.

We have had no luck either with injuries or decisions this season and we have definitely improved since the January window though admittedly the results don't particularly show that.

Personally I think we probably need to change but it's not outrageous to think he might get more time.

[Real Emerald]

Shocking that the club never acted this morning in my opinion. There is zero benefit to delaying this. He is finished now. He will never win back the trust of the fans.
Every day we delay hurts the club and is a failure by the board.


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The only hope is that the owners need to have a discussion before a decision is made. Maybe that’s not been possible yet, we can live in hope. 🤞

[Smartie]

I don't think this one is anything like as clearcut as Maloney or Johnston as there are potentially mitigating factors in play.

We have had no luck either with injuries or decisions this season and we have definitely improved since the January window though admittedly the results don't particularly show that.

Personally I think we probably need to change but it's not outrageous to think he might get more time.

Whilst I was personally quite against Maloney and for Johnson, I don’t think either of those situations were clear cut either.

These are all tough calls, where the decision makers come under severe pressure from fans to deviate from a medium to long term plan.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don't think this one is anything like as clearcut as Maloney or Johnston as there are potentially mitigating factors in play.

We have had no luck either with injuries or decisions this season and we have definitely improved since the January window though admittedly the results don't particularly show that.

Personally I think we probably need to change but it's not outrageous to think he might get more time.

There was mitigating factors with Johnson and Maloney surely?

Johnson could point to having to try and compete in Europe at the start of this league campaign. From the previous campaign he could point to injuries, such as Nisbet being injured for the first half of the campaign, Boyle missing the last two third of the campaign and and the sale of Porteous.

Maloney could point to the sale of Boyle the minute he walked in the door, the loss of Nisbet to injury, the fact he had to play James Scott as a lone striker such was the standard of the squad.

Montgomery isn’t the only manager to have to deal with adversity.

[Unseen work]

Whilst I was personally quite against Maloney and for Johnson, I don’t think either of those situations were clear cut either.

These are all tough calls, where the decision makers come under severe pressure from fans to deviate from a medium to long term plan.

Yep.

Maloney had absolutely horrendous attacking options whilst Lee Johnson also had a lot of injuries to deal with at times. I want to say there was a whole LJ had 9 or so players out.

[The Modfather]

There was mitigating factors with Johnson and Maloney surely?

Johnson could point to having to try and compete in Europe at the start of this league campaign. From the previous campaign he could point to injuries, such as Nisbet being injured for the first half of the campaign, Boyle missing the last two third of the campaign and and the sale of Porteous.

Maloney could point to the sale of Boyle the minute he walked in the door, the loss of Nisbet to injury, the fact he had to play James Scott as a lone striker such was the standard of the squad.

Montgomery isn’t the only manager to have to deal with adversity.

Think Maloney has the same kind of mitigations to point to as Montgomerry, whether this is enough to earn them more time is a different argument. I fail to see many mitigations for Johnson though. Two summers to prepare the team and 3 transfer windows while most likely spending more money than any manager in our history. All for the flimsiest of foundations - losing to every team in the league last season and the losing streaks followed by selection and formation bingo.

[Tyler Durden]

I don’t think the board will take too much notice of a few moans on here.

Whether the manager stays or goes will be down to attendances in next home games and season ticket renewals .

It’s all down to pounds/pence at end of day

We've lost out on a few pounds/pence by failing to make the top 6.

[joebakerforever]

Can’t just keep sacking managers, he will get the summer and and another transfer window.
A rational response amongst the hysterical utterances on here.

NM was appointed on 11th September, so has been in place for just 7 months.

He had no previous experience of managing outside Australia.

He has had one transfer window to improve his squad, but was still hampered by the ineffective signings of previous failed managers.

Given the high number of blatantly wrong VAR decisions given against us, which prevented us finishing in the top 6, imo no other SPFL has experieced this handicap and cannot be ignored when assessing his performance.

It was not Montgomery's fault that Hibs offered him the job in the first place and there was plenty on here that favoured him.

There is not a universal public clamour for his dismissal inside the ground during matches, and hopefully the Club will stand firm and ignore the sacking chatter of those on the internet who represent a minority of those who actually pay to attend the matches.

[flash]

There was mitigating factors with Johnson and Maloney surely?

Johnson could point to having to try and compete in Europe at the start of this league campaign. From the previous campaign he could point to injuries, such as Nisbet being injured for the first half of the campaign, Boyle missing the last two third of the campaign and and the sale of Porteous.

Maloney could point to the sale of Boyle the minute he walked in the door, the loss of Nisbet to injury, the fact he had to play James Scott as a lone striker such was the standard of the squad.

Montgomery isn’t the only manager to have to deal with adversity.
Ah well we will soon find out.

[Since452]

I don't think this one is anything like as clearcut as Maloney or Johnston as there are potentially mitigating factors in play.

We have had no luck either with injuries or decisions this season and we have definitely improved since the January window though admittedly the results don't particularly show that.

Personally I think we probably need to change but it's not outrageous to think he might get more time.

LJ also had some horrendous VAR calls against him last season. When you think we only finished 5 points off 3rd it arguably cost us European group stage football. I feel we've taken a huge step back from then.

[Lancs Harp]

A rational response amongst the hysterical utterances on here.

NM was appointed on 11th September, so has been in place for just 7 months.

He had no previous experience of managing outside Australia.

He has had one transfer window to improve his squad, but was still hampered by the ineffective signings of previous failed managers.

Given the high number of blatantly wrong VAR decisions given against us, which prevented us finishing in the top 6, imo no other SPFL has experieced this handicap and cannot be ignored when assessing his performance.

It was not Montgomery's fault that Hibs offered him the job in the first place and there was plenty on here that favoured him.

There is not a universal public clamour for his dismissal inside the ground during matches, and hopefully the Club will stand firm and ignore the sacking chatter of those on the internet who represent a minority of those who actually pay to attend the matches.

That is a very defensive defence of his situation.

What about the lack of wins as a headline amid pretty ordinary competition, sticking rigidly to a formation that clearly wasnt working, improving any of our existing players or molding them into a system that might work. An inability to change a game that from an early stage looks like its getting away from us, curious substitutions to say the least, inability to break teams down that sit in, pedestrian paced football that often resembles a pre season friendly, i could go on.

Not impressed with Monty at all Im afraid.

[Winston Ingram]

I don’t think the board will take too much notice of a few moans on here.

Whether the manager stays or goes will be down to attendances in next home games and season ticket renewals .

It’s all down to pounds/pence at end of day

It's more than a few moans. If the poll is anything to go by, it's 80% of users.

[JimBHibees]

It's more than a few moans. If the poll is anything to go by, it's 80% of users.

80 per cent of people who voted.

[Musselbound]

A rational response amongst the hysterical utterances on here.

NM was appointed on 11th September, so has been in place for just 7 months.

He had no previous experience of managing outside Australia.

He has had one transfer window to improve his squad, but was still hampered by the ineffective signings of previous failed managers.

Given the high number of blatantly wrong VAR decisions given against us, which prevented us finishing in the top 6, imo no other SPFL has experieced this handicap and cannot be ignored when assessing his performance.

It was not Montgomery's fault that Hibs offered him the job in the first place and there was plenty on here that favoured him.

There is not a universal public clamour for his dismissal inside the ground during matches, and hopefully the Club will stand firm and ignore the sacking chatter of those on the internet who represent a minority of those who actually pay to attend the matches.

I'd agree with a lot of the points here although I think sites like this one are probably pretty representative of the views of many Hibs fans right now.

Hibs have not performed well under pressure this season so it will be interesting to see how we do in the last 5 games with a lot of the pressure off. We have obviously failed to win a lot of big games and generally drawn too many.i dont think we've lost too many games by big margins and it's been widely acknowledged by the support we've been on the wrong end of terrible refereeing decisions - often at key times.

McInnes has shown what is possible at Killie given time and a season to adapt to the league. If things pick up a bit in the remaining games, I'd rather give Montgomery more time rather than going through the process and cost of chopping and changing managers and starting from scratch all over again.

[Smartie]

We've lost out on a few pounds/pence by failing to make the top 6.

We've lost out on a home derby and a home game against a Glasgow club, place money and possible tv money.

We may have scraped into Europe which would have generated some cash and then you've got the kick in the nuts effect that may have an impact on season ticket sales.


It doesn't sign us Mbappe but it could go a long way towards securing us a top centre half for our level.

[He's here!]

He's still only 42 and obviously looking to achieve things in the game. I'm assuming that his ambition would be to manage in England and coming to Scotland puts in the shop window for that. If he did well here, that gives the opportunity to secure the welfare of his family.

Big risk though. Failure in Scotland would leave him without a job and highly unlikely to be offered another one in the UK. Having bought a house, moved the kids into new schools etc, he faces having to reverse all that and move back to Australia where his stock would presumably still be high enough to land another job.

In other industries, such a move would more likely take the form of, say, a secondment for a certain number of years where you can plan accordingly re your family. There's no such security blanket in football management.

[Allant1981]

I'd imagine if they were going to sack him it would have been done by now so guessing he will be here until next season, thank god there's only 5 games left to go until a break!

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'd imagine if they were going to sack him it would have been done by now so guessing he will be here until next season, thank god there's only 5 games left to go until a break!

I’m not convinced the fact he’s not been sacked yet means he’ll be here next season. I wouldn’t think it’s out the question it’ll be reviewed after the last game. At least that’s the hope I’m clinging to.

[Greenworld]

A rational response amongst the hysterical utterances on here.

NM was appointed on 11th September, so has been in place for just 7 months.

He had no previous experience of managing outside Australia.

He has had one transfer window to improve his squad, but was still hampered by the ineffective signings of previous failed managers.

Given the high number of blatantly wrong VAR decisions given against us, which prevented us finishing in the top 6, imo no other SPFL has experieced this handicap and cannot be ignored when assessing his performance.

It was not Montgomery's fault that Hibs offered him the job in the first place and there was plenty on here that favoured him.

There is not a universal public clamour for his dismissal inside the ground during matches, and hopefully the Club will stand firm and ignore the sacking chatter of those on the internet who represent a minority of those who actually pay to attend the matches.I think you are bang on the money. Hibs signed a lot of players over the last few seasons that turned out to be average at best.
Lack of goals has killed us this season we look to have a lot of good attacking players but not finishing of chances.
I think that it is appreciated that he inherited a lot of bad signings and expect some real good players to come in.
Remember the black knights are also on the board now it's not just up to kensell

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[Winston Ingram]

Big risk though. Failure in Scotland would leave him without a job and highly unlikely to be offered another one in the UK. Having bought a house, moved the kids into new schools etc, he faces having to reverse all that and move back to Australia where his stock would presumably still be high enough to land another job.

In other industries, such a move would more likely take the form of, say, a secondment for a certain number of years where you can plan accordingly re your family. There's no such security blanket in football management.

It’s football and any time you take another managers job is a risk. I admire his ambition and his decision to back himself.

Unfortunately it’s not worked out and he’s ****ed any chance now. He’ll be back to Oz and will pick up a job no bother.

[jakeshibs]

Just don't see the point in giving him the rest of the season if we’re cutting ties. Much more likely we'd just punt him and let Gray see out the season.


Gray would need to go as well as he is partly responsible

[jeffers]

Gray would need to go as well as he is partly responsible

I don’t agree, but for his own sake if and when Monty goes SDG should move on. If they somehow decide to stand by Monty it wouldn’t surprise if he moves on anyway.

[GreenCastle]

I think you are bang on the money. Hibs signed a lot of players over the last few seasons that turned out to be average at best.
Lack of goals has killed us this season we look to have a lot of good attacking players but not finishing of chances.
I think that it is appreciated that he inherited a lot of bad signings and expect some real good players to come in.
Remember the black knights are also on the board now it's not just up to kensell

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Definitely not lack of goals that has killed us.

It’s the awful defending - goalkeeper making howlers - playing 16 year olds at right back - 20 years old at centre back - playing 4-4-2 with no defensive midfielder to protect the back line plus the poor defending out wide.

Overall our defending has been awful and the late goals included have been a massive issue due to weak mentality.

He should have signed some defenders in January but decided to do things back to front.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I’m not convinced the fact he’s not been sacked yet means he’ll be here next season. I wouldn’t think it’s out the question it’ll be reviewed after the last game. At least that’s the hope I’m clinging to.

End of the season would be the perfect time to empty a manager, if that’s the intention. I don’t see the point in getting rid of the guy with five games left and bottom six football ahead. We aren’t in a relegation fight, so we don’t need a desperation sacking in the hope of staying up. It surely makes more sense to play out the season and then look at the manager’s future.

[shetlandhibee]

End of the season would be the perfect time to empty a manager, if that’s the intention. I don’t see the point in getting rid of the guy with five games left and bottom six football ahead. We aren’t in a relegation fight, so we don’t need a desperation sacking in the hope of staying up. It surely makes more sense to play out the season and then look at the manager’s future.
:top marks:agree:

[Onion]

I’m not convinced the fact he’s not been sacked yet means he’ll be here next season. I wouldn’t think it’s out the question it’ll be reviewed after the last game. At least that’s the hope I’m clinging to.

Agreee, what's the rush ? We're not going to be relegated, we're not going to sign anyone, we don't have a ready replacement standing in the wings. There is no reason to knee-jerk and sack NM now. The Board should take their time to consider all moving parts including players out of contract, Foley new money, possible Bournemouth loans, season ticket sales and what best to do with the manager position. I'd say NM is 50/50 to be the manager next season.

[we are hibs]

It would be nonsense to sack him come the end of the season rather than now. It gives the board an extra few weeks to look for the next man before they go into the off season if they are going to part company with Monty. The next 5 games are irrelevant so it doesn't really matter who takes charge of them.

[Chorley Hibee]

Talk on twitter (Yes, I know!) that there has been an email exchange made public and that the board are reviewing the position of the Head Coach, CEO and Senior Sporting staff.

I hope it's true.

[GreenCastle]

More managers obviously available at the end of the season but I don’t see what the point of keeping him now is.

It’s a mess as it’s an important time thinking about summer plans / player contracts etc.

If the DOF is away - then again thing are left in limbo.

At the same time I wouldn’t be against a full rebuild as I don’t trust any of the people in charge right now including many of the players.

You would think Hibs would have a plan who would replace Monty but the seem to make it up as they go along and jump from one random manager to another - with different formations and styles of play.

I’m quite amazed he’s not been sacked yet - the message from the club being we accept our crap position fans keep giving us ST money.

[Spike Mandela]

No. Foley eill exert his influence subtly in the background.

[HerbDailly]

I think he's bound to stay, the board will see that there's enough flux around the place without adding to it. They're probably thinking that although he's not been spectacular, he's not been spectacularly bad either. It is what it is, I say get behind the man.

[Chorley Hibee]

Aberdeen have just appointed Jimmy Thelin as their new manager.

If Aberdeen do get their act together, then we could be left way behind our direct competitors (Hearts, Aberdeen for third) for next season.

Montgomery has shown nothing to retain his position, and Hibs need to act now, or next season will be a write-off too.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Aberdeen have just appointed Jimmy Thelin as their new manager.

If Aberdeen do get their act together, then we could be left way behind our direct competitors (Hearts, Aberdeen for third) for next season.

Montgomery has shown nothing to retain his position, and Hibs need to act now, or next season will be a write-off too.

Not hugely concerned at that. Done a decent job at Elfsborg but it’s not all that much better than their average league finishes.

Completely different style of football over here so we’ll see how he goes. Not saying he’s going to be crap but it’s far from a certainty he’ll be good either.

[Real Emerald]

Aberdeen have just appointed Jimmy Thelin as their new manager.

If Aberdeen do get their act together, then we could be left way behind our direct competitors (Hearts, Aberdeen for third) for next season.

Montgomery has shown nothing to retain his position, and Hibs need to act now, or next season will be a write-off too.

I think they will act soon. They realise the fans are hacked off with results and everyone I speak to are also hacked off with the style of play and the management. The owners may well be hatching a bigger plan looking at next season that stretches further than just the manager losing his job. At least that’s my hope. 🤞

[Dmas]

I think they will act soon. They realise the fans are hacked off with results and everyone I speak to are also hacked off with the style of play and the management. The owners may well be hatching a bigger plan looking at next season that stretches further than just the manager losing his job. At least that’s my hope. 🤞

This guy aberdeen have appointed was at elfsborg for 6 years, first season he finished up 8th they stuck with the choice and have had 2x2nd place and a 4th sometimes it doesn’t all just click into place the second you walk in the door

[04Sauzee]

Talk on twitter (Yes, I know!) that there has been an email exchange made public and that the board are reviewing the position of the Head Coach, CEO and Senior Sporting staff.

I hope it's true.

Not seen the email but talk here

https://twitter.com/scottmillar1/status/1780205103942602915?t=j-tC5mbXLXftCWE7zyH7dw&s=19

[Real Emerald]

This guy aberdeen have appointed was at elfsborg for 6 years, first season he finished up 8th they stuck with the choice and have had 2x2nd place and a 4th sometimes it doesn’t all just click into place the second you walk in the door

I know that but there’s too many red flags and not enough evidence he’s up to it for me. We could be in a position to bring in some tasty players next season and I’m not confident he the right person to be in charge. He’s given us the square root of zero to give us any hope to cling onto and has failed his basic
targets.

Maybe the new Aberdeen guy was showing good signs and the fans were happy with what they were seeing, I don’t know but I know what Monty has and hasn’t shown.

[Unseen work]

Surely if there was a leaked email it would be everywhere by now?

A review I wouldn’t say is a big deal, I say most clubs review it at the end of most seasons

[joe breezy]

We've lost out on a home derby and a home game against a Glasgow club, place money and possible tv money.

We may have scraped into Europe which would have generated some cash and then you've got the kick in the nuts effect that may have an impact on season ticket sales.


It doesn't sign us Mbappe but it could go a long way towards securing us a top centre half for our level.



Lost out on more embarrassing defeats.

[Dmas]

Surely if there was a leaked email it would be everywhere by now?

A review I wouldn’t say is a big deal, I say most clubs review it at the end of most seasons

The investment, multi club thing and new board members would also bring in some sort of review, non story

[JimBHibees]

The investment, multi club thing and new board members would also bring in some sort of review, non story

Agree standard practice I would have thought.

[easty]

This guy aberdeen have appointed was at elfsborg for 6 years, first season he finished up 8th they stuck with the choice and have had 2x2nd place and a 4th sometimes it doesn’t all just click into place the second you walk in the door

This argument that you should stick with it because it takes time. That X team did it and it worked for them.

It just doesnae mean anything to Hibs and Montgomery. There’s absolutely no relationship between what happened there and what’s happening here. Of course managers can get time to build something, but it has to seem like they’re building something. We’re nae better or worse than we were before him. Also, 33 games isn’t “the second you walk in the door”.

[JimBHibees]

I know that but there’s too many red flags and not enough evidence he’s up to it for me. We could be in a position to bring in some tasty players next season and I’m not confident he the right person to be in charge. He’s given us the square root of zero to give us any hope to cling onto and has failed his basic
targets.

Maybe the new Aberdeen guy was showing good signs and the fans were happy with what they were seeing, I don’t know but I know what Monty has and hasn’t shown.

Really does depend what context you are looking at. If you are being fair given the number of horror show decisions we have consistently had since January even allowing for not all of them changing the results we would then have been safely in top 6 likely over St Mirren. That including for e ample winning at tynecastle galvanises the whole club including the support. Genuinely reckon new goalie central defence central midfield completely changes the team. Not saying for one minute some performances St Johnstone and St Mirren haven't been very poor and struggle with some of his selections and subs however to me there is enough to allow him to revamp the squad and get full preseason rather than ripping it up and starting again.

[JimBHibees]

We've lost out on a home derby and a home game against a Glasgow club, place money and possible tv money.

We may have scraped into Europe which would have generated some cash and then you've got the kick in the nuts effect that may have an impact on season ticket sales.


It doesn't sign us Mbappe but it could go a long way towards securing us a top centre half for our level.

Very good point it is a significant blow

[Paulie Walnuts]

This argument that you should stick with it because it takes time. That X team did it and it worked for them.

It just doesnae mean anything to Hibs and Montgomery. There’s absolutely no relationship between what happened there and what’s happening here. Of course managers can get time to build something, but it has to seem like they’re building something. We’re nae better or worse than we were before him. Also, 33 games isn’t “the second you walk in the door”.

I posted yesterday that us, Hearts, Aberdeen and Dundee United are all clubs who have had similar levels of success this century. Combined, the 4 of us have had 60 managers. Absolutely none of us have had a manager who has started poorly to the extent Montgomery has and turned it around.

Out of all the managers who have been unarguable successes that have built something over a semi sustained period between all of the 4 clubs, they all have one thing in common, and that’s that they came straight in the door and had a fairly successful first season, showing that they’re deserving of building something. Hearts had Levein in the early 2000s, we had Mowbray, Stubbs and Lennon, Aberdeen had Calderwood and McInnes and DU had Levein, Houston and McNamara.

The fact that 60 different appointments at clubs our size can’t point to a manager who performs as bad as Montgomery has for such a sustained period but then managed to turn it round would suggest it just doesn’t happen.

[Hibs90]

Unfortunately, I think he's going nowhere. As someone mentioned, Kensell and Ian Gordon will double down on this. It has been rumoured that McDermott is on his way out. That'll probably be spun that he's taking the blame for this hellish season. That'll briefly take the heat off Kensell and Gordon until we no doubt have a bad start to the season next season and we are back in a transition season.

I'm really hoping Foley shows some ruthlessness here and brings in his own man.

Yup.

Kensell and co won't sack him, because if they do it's another admittance of a failed appointment in their regime, regardless of how much they were involved in identifying the manager.

McDermott will leave they will deflect.

Kensell should be the first to go.

[Hibs90]

Reviews are standard practice however if someone is leaking e-mails again that's disgraceful.

[500miles]

We signed a manager who won the Oz league twice, with an unfashionable club who a Scottish Cup hero raved about as salvaging his career. It was a reasonable appointment, but there's always an element of a gamble.

If we signed Mcinnes and got hit with an injury crisis, the atmosphere would be toxic that the hun hoofball merchant was in charge at our club.

I'm concerned that the atmosphere has been toxic since Covid, when fans were grumbling through a 3rd place finish and 3 hampden trips and it's going to take an actual disaster to hit the reset button on whatever is going on.

[Smartie]

Lost out on more embarrassing defeats.

True.

But lost out on a decent few quid that could have been used to prevent similar embarrassing defeats next season.

[Unseen work]

We signed a manager who won the Oz league twice, with an unfashionable club who a Scottish Cup hero raved about as salvaging his career. It was a reasonable appointment, but there's always an element of a gamble.

If we signed Mcinnes and got hit with an injury crisis, the atmosphere would be toxic that the hun hoofball merchant was in charge at our club.

I'm concerned that the atmosphere has been toxic since Covid, when fans were grumbling through a 3rd place finish and 3 hampden trips and it's going to take an actual disaster to hit the reset button on whatever is going on.

I was all for Montgomery too, but he never won the league twice. He finished runner up in the league which then qualifies them for a play off type competition which they won, beating the team above them in the league 6-1 in the ‘Grand Finale’.

[Real Emerald]

Really does depend what context you are looking at. If you are being fair given the number of horror show decisions we have consistently had since January even allowing for not all of them changing the results we would then have been safely in top 6 likely over St Mirren. That including for e ample winning at tynecastle galvanises the whole club including the support. Genuinely reckon new goalie central defence central midfield completely changes the team. Not saying for one minute some performances St Johnstone and St Mirren haven't been very poor and struggle with some of his selections and subs however to me there is enough to allow him to revamp the squad and get full preseason rather than ripping it up and starting again.

We really have had bad luck and atrocious decisions but even allowing for that he’s not had one game to his name that can be put forward to say look guys, this is how we should go about games, expect more of this. Even when we went 3 up against Livi after 20 minutes he still managed to make the rest of the game an utter borefest. I just can’t handle watching his football, that may just be me but it’s what I think,

[flash]

Yup.

Kensell and co won't sack him, because if they do it's another admittance of a failed appointment in their regime, regardless of how much they were involved in identifying the manager.

McDermott will leave they will deflect.

Kensell should be the first to go.

Or maybe, knowing much more than any of us do about what is actually going on, they believe he is the man to move us forward.

It's not always the cynical reason.

[500miles]

I was all for Montgomery too, but he never won the league twice. He finished runner up in the league which then qualifies them for a play off type competition which they won, beating the team above them in the league 6-1 in the ‘Grand Finale’.

What's the point of a Grand Finale is it doesn't count as winning the league?!

[Dmas]

This argument that you should stick with it because it takes time. That X team did it and it worked for them.

It just doesnae mean anything to Hibs and Montgomery. There’s absolutely no relationship between what happened there and what’s happening here. Of course managers can get time to build something, but it has to seem like they’re building something. We’re nae better or worse than we were before him. Also, 33 games isn’t “the second you walk in the door”.

He won the league in his first full season in Oz after taking over mid way.

if your appointing someone on a 3 year deal on the basis of making sweeping changes at the club you should allow a period of time.

‘Shouldn’t stick with it just cause it worked for them’ name me a club who has had any sort of success sacking managers less than 12 months in to the job it’s not just them its worked for.

[Since452]

He won the league in his first full season in Oz after taking over mid way.

if your appointing someone on a 3 year deal on the basis of making sweeping changes at the club you should allow a period of time.

‘Shouldn’t stick with it just cause it worked for them’ name me a club who has had any sort of success sacking managers less than 12 months in to the job it’s not just them its worked for.

Kilmarnock. Wright only got one window as he was a disaster.

[WhileTheChief..]

Or maybe, knowing much more than any of us do about what is actually going on, they believe he is the man to move us forward.

It's not always the cynical reason.

Do Ben Kendall and Ian Gordon really know a lot more than us?

There's folk on here been watching Scottish football their whole lives, you're probably one of them, that will know a damn sight more than either of them ever will.

We've collectively been saying what the team needs for over 3 years, yet the pros running our club either can't see it or can't fix it.

They've maybe learnt, and will maybe be able to sort things out in the summer, but it's easy to see why folk are cynical about those running the club.

If anything, you could say that the people thinking everything is fine behind the scenes at ER are either blinkered or just don't want to hear it.

[easty]

He won the league in his first full season in Oz after taking over mid way.

if your appointing someone on a 3 year deal on the basis of making sweeping changes at the club you should allow a period of time.

‘Shouldn’t stick with it just cause it worked for them’ name me a club who has had any sort of success sacking managers less than 12 months in to the job it’s not just them its worked for.

You shouldn't just allow a period of time because that was the original plan though, if it's not working you change the plan, and it's not worked, so we should change the plan.

Pedro Caixinha and Graeme Murty both had less than 12 months in the job at Rangers before getting sacked. Gerrard came in, took them to a european cup final, and won the league unbeaten.

Ipswich sacked Paul Cook after 11 months. Kieran McKenna came in and got them promoted from League 1 and they're now almost in the Prem.

Steven Gerrard got sacked after 11 months at Villa. In came Unai Emery and they've been brilliant.

I've provided the examples you asked for, but I don't think any of those things have anything to do with our situation. What's happened elsewhere, with different managers is irrelevant. I'm judging Montgomery on what's happened here only.

[TrinityHibby]

Aberdeen have just appointed Jimmy Thelin as their new manager.

If Aberdeen do get their act together, then we could be left way behind our direct competitors (Hearts, Aberdeen for third) for next season.

Montgomery has shown nothing to retain his position, and Hibs need to act now, or next season will be a write-off too.

It pains me to say this however this looks like a very likely scenario. :confused:

[HibeeSince85]

Talk on twitter (Yes, I know!) that there has been an email exchange made public and that the board are reviewing the position of the Head Coach, CEO and Senior Sporting staff.

I hope it's true.

So, if true. Who is leaking the sensitive board communications? Unbelievable really.

[Chorley Hibee]

So, if true. Who is leaking the sensitive board communications? Unbelievable really.

It wouldn't be the first time that something like this has leaked out of Easter Road either.

[HibeeSince85]

It wouldn't be the first time that something like this has leaked out of Easter Road either.

Yep, all too common. The board is massive for a business of our size so it could be coming from anywhere. My initial thought would be BK as he is known for his loose lips but as this seems to be discussing his position I'm not so sure now.

[Keepthefaith]

Do Ben Kendall and Ian Gordon really know a lot more than us?

There's folk on here been watching Scottish football their whole lives, you're probably one of them, that will know a damn sight more than either of them ever will.

We've collectively been saying what the team needs for over 3 years, yet the pros running our club either can't see it or can't fix it.

They've maybe learnt, and will maybe be able to sort things out in the summer, but it's easy to see why folk are cynical about those running the club.

If anything, you could say that the people thinking everything is fine behind the scenes at ER are either blinkered or just don't want to hear it.

Or maybe flash is right and those working with Monty day in say out do know more than the keyboard warriors and are confident about both his plans and ability to put things right next season? You forgot that option, so I've added it here for you

You can thank me later 😘

[Winston Ingram]

It would be nonsense to sack him come the end of the season rather than now. It gives the board an extra few weeks to look for the next man before they go into the off season if they are going to part company with Monty. The next 5 games are irrelevant so it doesn't really matter who takes charge of them.

Agree with this. Put SDG in charge. Monty is a dead man walking and keeping provides no benefit.

[Paulie Walnuts]

So, if true. Who is leaking the sensitive board communications? Unbelievable really.

It’s not a sensitive board communication.

The leak isn’t from within the club. It’s Kensell sending a response to a fans email to him.

[Winston Ingram]

What's the point of a Grand Finale is it doesn't count as winning the league?!

No idea. Melbourne City won the League (The Premiers) by finishing 11 points ahead of CCM.

[Ozyhibby]

We signed a manager who won the Oz league twice, with an unfashionable club who a Scottish Cup hero raved about as salvaging his career. It was a reasonable appointment, but there's always an element of a gamble.

If we signed Mcinnes and got hit with an injury crisis, the atmosphere would be toxic that the hun hoofball merchant was in charge at our club.

I'm concerned that the atmosphere has been toxic since Covid, when fans were grumbling through a 3rd place finish and 3 hampden trips and it's going to take an actual disaster to hit the reset button on whatever is going on.

He didn’t win the league, he won the Grand Final.


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[flash]

It’s not a sensitive board communication.

The leak isn’t from within the club. It’s Kensell sending a response to a fans email to him.
Indeed and all it really says is all the major positions within the club are constantly under review.

It's something about nothing.

[Just_Jimmy]

I think he's bound to stay, the board will see that there's enough flux around the place without adding to it. They're probably thinking that although he's not been spectacular, he's not been spectacularly bad either. It is what it is, I say get behind the man.Is that really the limit of our ambition now?

He's average so let's crack on?

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[WeeRussell]

What's the point of a Grand Finale is it doesn't count as winning the league?!

It maybe doesn’t count as ‘winning the league’ but it’s the only part that really matters at the end of the season.

Those pointing out that he didn’t win the league in the hope it downplays Monty’s achievements are actually only enhancing what he did in terms of titles and honours.

[Nicho87]

Hope this is true

Kensell
BM
Monty away

A fresh start

[Paulie Walnuts]

Hope this is true

Kensell
BM
Monty away

A fresh start

That’s what you’ve heard? Or it’s just what you’re hoping?

If it’s related to the email that went round then I’d suggest somebody has embellished things a bit.

[HibeeSince85]

It’s not a sensitive board communication.

The leak isn’t from within the club. It’s Kensell sending a response to a fans email to him.

Didn't know that, cheers.

[McHibby]

Most folk knew Johnson was on borrowed time and shouldn't have been given the summer to then be sacked 3 games into the season.

We're in danger of repeating the same scenario only 12 months later.

It won't be long before it's another inevitable season of transition and the new man needs time, his own window etc, etc.

Rinse and repeat.

Get him out now.

This is exactly my worry. We will have another manager coming in to exactly the same situation as faced NM... starting anew when the squad had just spent pre-season training and being drilled on the way LJ wanted to play, probably having to reassure players who'd just been recruited by a manager who promptly got sacked, then trying to work out his best formation and starting 11 in real games rather than when it should have been done in close season.

If they are minded to fire him, it should be done as quickly as possible to give whoever comes in as much time as possible to get ready for next season.

[Nemo]

He’ll be punted if we lose the first 2 games in the bottom 6….and if he isn’t… he f******* well should be.

[ozhibs]

Aberdeen have just appointed Jimmy Thelin as their new manager.

If Aberdeen do get their act together, then we could be left way behind our direct competitors (Hearts, Aberdeen for third) for next season.

Montgomery has shown nothing to retain his position, and Hibs need to act now, or next season will be a write-off too.

Interesting to see they see this a long term development, does this mean if they don’t make the top 6 or just scape in he won’t be under pressure

GGTTH 🇳🇬

[Onion]

He’ll be punted if we lose the first 2 games in the bottom 6….and if he isn’t… he f******* well should be.

Having to sack NM after a few games next season would be the worst outcome, and abject failure by all including the Board, and could leave us (yet again) with a disjointed squad of poor players that a new manager cannot get a tune out of. Far better to sack NM now, give the new man time and involvement in recruitment, and spending of the Foley cash. Giving a failing manager time in a new season to PROVE all along that he wasn't up to the job would be so typically Hibs - a soft charity case.

We all talk about Hibs being soft, easy beat, unable to see games out, etc etc. Well, that starts at the top.

[HoboHarry]

Having to sack NM after a few games next season would be the worst outcome, and abject failure by all including the Board, and could leave us (yet again) with a disjointed squad of poor players that a new manager cannot get a tune out of. Far better to sack NM now, give the new man time and involvement in recruitment, and spending of the Foley cash. Giving a failing manager time in a new season to PROVE all along that he wasn't up to the job would be so typically Hibs - a soft charity case.

We all talk about Hibs being soft, easy beat, unable to see games out, etc etc. Well, that starts at the top.

Why would NM spend the close season signing poor players?

[Since452]

Most folk knew Johnson was on borrowed time and shouldn't have been given the summer to then be sacked 3 games into the season.

We're in danger of repeating the same scenario only 12 months later.

It won't be long before it's another inevitable season of transition and the new man needs time, his own window etc, etc.

Rinse and repeat.

Get him out now.

Very similar situation, the difference being that in style of play, league position, goal difference. Basically every single metric, Johnson is the superior manager. We'd need to win all of our bottom six fixtures to surpass last seasons points total. There were people pulling their hair out about him but suggesting Montgomery should stay. Wild.

[Nicho87]

I really struggle to understand the reasons for Monty to stay

Listened to the usual hibs podcasts and just can’t buy into some of the opinions in favour of him staying

We’re going (the club) the complete opposition to what we have done in 3/4 managers have failed on previously. Why is it cause Monty is a nice guy? Or moved from Australia?

It’s wild, he’s had 29, plus cup games and a mini pre season in Dubai and we are a poor poor club

El del

Monty 100% out

[Nicho87]

I really struggle to understand the reasons for Monty to stay

Listened to the usual hibs podcasts and just can’t buy into some of the opinions in favour of him staying

We’re going (the club) the complete opposite direction to what we have done in 3/4 managers have failed on previously. Why is it cause Monty is a nice guy? Or moved from Australia?

It’s wild, he’s had 29, plus cup games and a mini pre season in Dubai and we are a poor poor club

El del

Monty 100% out

[matty_f]

I really struggle to understand the reasons for Monty to stay

Listened to the usual hibs podcasts and just can’t buy into some of the opinions in favour of him staying

We’re going (the club) the complete opposition to what we have done in 3/4 managers have failed on previously. Why is it cause Monty is a nice guy? Or moved from Australia?

It’s wild, he’s had 29, plus cup games and a mini pre season in Dubai and we are a poor poor club

El del

Monty 100% out

I agree - it feels like the argument to keep him hinges on nothing more than hope and optimism that time will be the deciding factor. I think the case for keeping him needs to have some more tangible reasons than that.

[jakeshibs]

Having to sack NM after a few games next season would be the worst outcome, and abject failure by all including the Board, and could leave us (yet again) with a disjointed squad of poor players that a new manager cannot get a tune out of. Far better to sack NM now, give the new man time and involvement in recruitment, and spending of the Foley cash. Giving a failing manager time in a new season to PROVE all along that he wasn't up to the job would be so typically Hibs - a soft charity case.

We all talk about Hibs being soft, easy beat, unable to see games out, etc etc. Well, that starts at the top.

Then when the next manager fails how long do we give him till christmas??

[Heisenberg]

I really struggle to understand the reasons for Monty to stay

Listened to the usual hibs podcasts and just can’t buy into some of the opinions in favour of him staying

We’re going (the club) the complete opposition to what we have done in 3/4 managers have failed on previously. Why is it cause Monty is a nice guy? Or moved from Australia?

It’s wild, he’s had 29, plus cup games and a mini pre season in Dubai and we are a poor poor club

El del

Monty 100% out

Yeah there’s nothing to cling onto, I was hoping for top six and having a go at finishing 5th (St Mirren have been ***** for ages and only 3 clear of Dundee now) but to **** up like he did towards the end of the season gives no hope for optimism. At least last season we had a derby win, beat Celtc etc.

[bingo70]

I really struggle to understand the reasons for Monty to stay

Listened to the usual hibs podcasts and just can’t buy into some of the opinions in favour of him staying

We’re going (the club) the complete opposition to what we have done in 3/4 managers have failed on previously. Why is it cause Monty is a nice guy? Or moved from Australia?

It’s wild, he’s had 29, plus cup games and a mini pre season in Dubai and we are a poor poor club

El del

Monty 100% out

I’m on your side of the argument I think but I do get the counter argument. I think the point is if he stays it’s because we are trying to learn from the previous errors and not just make the same mistakes again.

I personally wouldn’t gamble on him staying next year and it would be incredibly brave decision to stick with him but there is a lot of noise about stability being key to success.

[Pretty Boy]

I think it probably makes sense to keep him until the end of the season now.

The season is done. I know there is a financial argument to be made but I really don't see any massive difference between finishing 7th or 9th, both are abject failures, one just marginally less so. I know there are also all kinds of mental gymnastics being done to frame us as being in danger of the play offs but that is unlikely bordering on the impossible given the way all the results need to go. Even making the 'it's Hibs' allowance it would still be close to an unprecedented run of results for it to happen.

So what is achieved by sacking him now? I don't think the next 5 games will have any bearing on what the board are thinking for next season. They certainly shouldn't, even if we win all 5 the season has still been a failure by any measure. Letting him see it out until then puts us in a position in which both sides can save face. We can mutually part ways with Montgomery citing his family not settling in Scotland and us stating that we understand that and can't stand in his way. He goes and gets a job back in the A League with no sacking on his CV and we avoid looking like a total basket case of a club who sacked 2 managers in one season.

I suppose some will argue acting quicker will allow us to start prepping for next season early. Unless we have our eye on an out of work manager who can start right away then I'm not sure it makes that much difference. We will have some kind of long list and if any of those managers are still in work then they aren't going to walk away now if they still have something to play for and won't want to risk publicly committing to a new job. If we have already decided Montgomery's fate for next season then acting now or acting in 5 weeks really won't make a huge difference.

For me if he stays now or goes makes no difference in the short term, the damage is done. The only real issue for me would be is if we are using the next 5 games as some kind of barometer. It should already be decided one way or another; if he's staying then fine, I don't agree with that decision but losing another 2 or 3 games shouldn't sway that. Likewise if he is going then beating Livingston and Ross County shouldn't cast any doubt on whether that is the right decision.

More generally I haven't really seen many compelling arguments to keep him long term. 'We can't keep sacking managers' seems the most common one. Well, you can keep sacking managers if they keep doing a poor job. Or 'who else is there?' Hundreds of managers; just because Hibs seem adept at picking bad ones doesn't mean there aren't plenty good ones out there. There is a lot of chat that results improved after the January window but stats don't back that up. From his appointment to January 27th Montgomery Played 18, won 5, drew 8 and lost 5. From 3rd February to now he has played 11, won 3, drew 4 and lost 4 (all league games only). That is a pre-window win percentage of 27% and the loss percentage is also 27% and post window it's 27% and 36% respectively. We are winning the same percentage of games since the window closed but the loss percentage is up. That's not an improvement.

I thought the Montgomery appointment was a bold one and I was excited we had gone out and got a manager who was inexperienced but successful. Sadly it hasn't worked out and I don't see any compelling argument to stick with him. Play out the rest of this season then part ways amicably and start again.

[Brizo]

End of the season would be the perfect time to empty a manager, if that’s the intention. I don’t see the point in getting rid of the guy with five games left and bottom six football ahead. We aren’t in a relegation fight, so we don’t need a desperation sacking in the hope of staying up. It surely makes more sense to play out the season and then look at the manager’s future.

100%

If the Board is going to sack him it should be at the end of the season as that gives his successor the full close season to bring in their players. The worst-case scenario is a repeat of last season where this time its Monty that's binned after a few games and a new manager has to work with a squad of Montgomery signings. Binning Montgomery after the seasons began also makes it much more difficult to attract a manager who is already in a job.

Our owners have a huge decision to make and while I'm not convinced they're up to the job of finding a successor I am convinced that Montgomerys not the man for Hibs.

[bingo70]

I think it probably makes sense to keep him until the end of the season now.

The season is done. I know there is a financial argument to be made but I really don't see any massive difference between finishing 7th or 9th, both are abject failures, one just marginally less so. I know there are also all kinds of mental gymnastics being done to frame us as being in danger of the play offs but that is unlikely bordering on the impossible given the way all the results need to go. Even making the 'it's Hibs' allowance it would still be close to an unprecedented run of results for it to happen.

So what is achieved by sacking him now? I don't think the next 5 games will have any bearing on what the board are thinking for next season. They certainly shouldn't, even if we win all 5 the season has still been a failure by any measure. Letting him see it out until then puts us in a position in which both sides can save face. We can mutually part ways with Montgomery citing his family not settling in Scotland and us stating that we understand that and can't stand in his way. He goes and gets a job back in the A League with no sacking on his CV and we avoid looking like a total basket case of a club who sacked 2 managers in one season.

I suppose some will argue acting quicker will allow us to start prepping for next season early. Unless we have our eye on an out of work manager who can start right away then I'm not sure it makes that much difference. We will have some kind of long list and if any of those managers are still in work then they aren't going to walk away now if they still have something to play for and won't want to risk publicly committing to a new job. If we have already decided Montgomery's fate for next season then acting now or acting in 5 weeks really won't make a huge difference.

For me if he stays now or goes makes no difference in the short term, the damage is done. The only real issue for me would be is if we are using the next 5 games as some kind of barometer. It should already be decided one way or another; if he's staying then fine, I don't agree with that decision but losing another 2 or 3 games shouldn't sway that. Likewise if he is going then beating Livingston and Ross County shouldn't cast any doubt on whether that is the right decision.

More generally I haven't really seen many compelling arguments to keep him long term. 'We can't keep sacking managers' seems the most common one. Well, you can keep sacking managers if they keep doing a poor job. Or 'who else is there?' Hundreds of managers; just because Hibs seem adept at picking bad ones doesn't mean there aren't plenty good ones out there. There is a lot of chat that results improved after the January window but stats don't back that up. From his appointment to January 27th Montgomery Played 18, won 5, drew 8 and lost 5. From 3rd February to now he has played 11, won 3, drew 4 and lost 4 (all league games only). That is a pre-window win percentage of 27% and the loss percentage is also 27% and post window it's 27% and 36% respectively. We are winning the same percentage of games since the window closed but the loss percentage is up. That's not an improvement.

I thought the Montgomery appointment was a bold one and I was excited we had gone out and got a manager who was inexperienced but successful. Sadly it hasn't worked out and I don't see any compelling argument to stick with him. Play out the rest of this season then part ways amicably and start again.

Do you not think it makes sense to sack him now and try to bring in a new manager asap? I’m not meaning rush the search but if we can appoint the person this season, it could give them time to assess the squad to make improvements in the summer. I just think if we can act decisively it gives the new manager to his the ground running in the summer without any of the usual clean slate arguments.

[Pretty Boy]

Do you not think it makes sense to sack him now and try to bring in a new manager asap? I’m not meaning rush the search but if we can appoint the person this season, it could give them time to assess the squad to make improvements in the summer. I just think if we can act decisively it gives the new manager to his the ground running in the summer without any of the usual clean slate arguments.

If it's an out of work manager we have our eye on then it could well make sense to act now.

If it's someone like McInnes, Robinson or similar that we want then I don't see any scenario in which they walk away from their current jobs with 5 crucial games left to play for their current clubs.

In that latter instance I'd rather we held fire to get the man we really want rather than settling for someone else for the sake of a few weeks.

[GreenCastle]

If it's an out of work manager we have our eye on then it could well make sense to act now.

If it's someone like McInnes, Robinson or similar that we want then I don't see any scenario in which they walk away from their current jobs with 5 crucial games left to play for their current clubs.

In that latter instance I'd rather we held fire to get the man we really want rather than settling for someone else for the sake of a few weeks.

More managers become available in summer but if there is a vacancy it may alert some current managers at other clubs into thinking I fancy that Hibs job.

The other question is will Hibs headhunt someone or will they just take applications for the role.

Something else to consider is the contract Monty signed - will it have any clauses about end of season.

He also probably has ££ to pay on his house here in Edinburgh- rented or bought ? So maybe the club are at least giving him time to line up his next move ?

From a selfish Hibs fan point of view I want stability and someone in the door ASAP as feels like every day that passes we are wasting planning time and next seasons preparation.

[flash]

More managers become available in summer but if there is a vacancy it may may some current managers at other clubs think I fancy that Hibs job.

The other question is will Hibs headhunt someone or will they just take applications for the role.

Something else to consider is the contract Monty signed - will it have any clauses about end of season.

He also probably has ££ to pay on his house here in Edinburgh- rented or bought ? So maybe the club are at least giving him time to line up his next move ?

From a selfish Hibs fan point of view I want stability and someone in the door ASAP as feels like every day that passes we are wasting planning time and next seasons preparation.

Or he simply isn't being sacked.

[bingo70]

Or he simply isn't being sacked.

Fighting talk.

[flash]

Fighting talk.

Somebody has to say what other people might not want to hear Bingo.

[.Sean.]

I wish I had the optimism of other posters that Montgomery being punted in inevitable. I don’t think he’ll be going anywhere now I’ve thought about it

Hope I’m wrong, but the club were pretty quick in getting shot of Maloney and Johnson once it was clear the vast majority of the support had turned on the manager, as is the case now

They were also pretty ruthless with Ross on the back of his first full season, he was cut zero slack and was punted in the run up to a cup final. Just feel if he was off he’d have been away earlier in the week

Then again they’ve no came out and gave him the dreaded vote of confidence so might be talking garbage!

[He's here!]

I think it probably makes sense to keep him until the end of the season now.

The season is done. I know there is a financial argument to be made but I really don't see any massive difference between finishing 7th or 9th, both are abject failures, one just marginally less so. I know there are also all kinds of mental gymnastics being done to frame us as being in danger of the play offs but that is unlikely bordering on the impossible given the way all the results need to go. Even making the 'it's Hibs' allowance it would still be close to an unprecedented run of results for it to happen.

So what is achieved by sacking him now? I don't think the next 5 games will have any bearing on what the board are thinking for next season. They certainly shouldn't, even if we win all 5 the season has still been a failure by any measure. Letting him see it out until then puts us in a position in which both sides can save face. We can mutually part ways with Montgomery citing his family not settling in Scotland and us stating that we understand that and can't stand in his way. He goes and gets a job back in the A League with no sacking on his CV and we avoid looking like a total basket case of a club who sacked 2 managers in one season.

I suppose some will argue acting quicker will allow us to start prepping for next season early. Unless we have our eye on an out of work manager who can start right away then I'm not sure it makes that much difference. We will have some kind of long list and if any of those managers are still in work then they aren't going to walk away now if they still have something to play for and won't want to risk publicly committing to a new job. If we have already decided Montgomery's fate for next season then acting now or acting in 5 weeks really won't make a huge difference.

For me if he stays now or goes makes no difference in the short term, the damage is done. The only real issue for me would be is if we are using the next 5 games as some kind of barometer. It should already be decided one way or another; if he's staying then fine, I don't agree with that decision but losing another 2 or 3 games shouldn't sway that. Likewise if he is going then beating Livingston and Ross County shouldn't cast any doubt on whether that is the right decision.

More generally I haven't really seen many compelling arguments to keep him long term. 'We can't keep sacking managers' seems the most common one. Well, you can keep sacking managers if they keep doing a poor job. Or 'who else is there?' Hundreds of managers; just because Hibs seem adept at picking bad ones doesn't mean there aren't plenty good ones out there. There is a lot of chat that results improved after the January window but stats don't back that up. From his appointment to January 27th Montgomery Played 18, won 5, drew 8 and lost 5. From 3rd February to now he has played 11, won 3, drew 4 and lost 4 (all league games only). That is a pre-window win percentage of 27% and the loss percentage is also 27% and post window it's 27% and 36% respectively. We are winning the same percentage of games since the window closed but the loss percentage is up. That's not an improvement.

I thought the Montgomery appointment was a bold one and I was excited we had gone out and got a manager who was inexperienced but successful. Sadly it hasn't worked out and I don't see any compelling argument to stick with him. Play out the rest of this season then part ways amicably and start again.

The overall stats you include may not back up a claim that results improved, but most folk citing improvement were talking about performances rather than results and hoping that if the performances became consistently better the results would follow.

The 0-3 St Mirren game was the one which really sparked a pile-on about Monty's future and rightly so. It was a disgraceful display and result. However, what won me round (temporarily) was the way we responded to that. We deserved more than we took from the games against Celtic, Aberdeen and Hearts, while we did a professional job in getting the home wins against Ross County and Dundee and we really should have held on to win at County away. However, it's the way we so easily buckled in the key game against St Johnstone that has set the alarm bells ringing for me again. The home win over Livi garnered a lot of positive comments but in hindsight it masked a lot of flaws and as soon as we came up against a more savvy side managed by a savvy manager (Levein) we couldn't cope.

I'm certainly concerned by the prospect of persevering with Monty now and it's not hard to see us in a real mess come September should we do so. The club's silence on any sort of plan for the future isn't helping instil confidence.

[JohnM1875]

Or he simply isn't being sacked.

This is it for me. If we were getting rid I honestly think it would've happened by now. He's clearly getting the summer window and a chance with his own squad I reckon.

Don't really agree with it, but if that's what happens I'll give him another chance.

Just so so rare that a manager ever turns it around with such a large proportion of the support are either against or not fully onboard with them.

[easty]

This is it for me. If we were getting rid I honestly think it would've happened by now. He's clearly getting the summer window and a chance with his own squad I reckon.

Don't really agree with it, but if that's what happens I'll give him another chance.

Just so sorry rare that a manager ever turns it around with such a large proportion of the support are either against or not fully onboard with them.

It’s nothing to do with whatever proportion of the support not backing him. I want him gone, but I want Hibs to do well above that. I support regardless of who’s in charge.

if he does get the summer window and doesn’t improve things, it’ll not be because fans weren’t on board, it’ll be for the same reason we’ve had nae improvement in the 33 games he’s had so far. He’s not capable.

[Nicho87]

This is it for me. If we were getting rid I honestly think it would've happened by now. He's clearly getting the summer window and a chance with his own squad I reckon.

Don't really agree with it, but if that's what happens I'll give him another chance.

Just so sorry rare that a manager ever turns it around with such a large proportion of the support are either against or not fully onboard with them.

Never nice wishing a manager to get punted

But as a paying customer I have not seen any improvements with results alone, forget performances. On results alone, it’s no where near acceptable.

If he does stay I hope he turns it around. I just see another couple of months of poor results then he goes in September and next season is another right off, transition season, same old.

I’ve reached a point I’d be giving Derek McInnes a blank cheque book to name his price.

Established, proven manager. Who gets results, who you can stick with due to his track record in this league.

Monty, maloney, LJ were/are all massively in experienced or no knowledge of the league.

[flash]

I seem to be forever swimming against the tide on here just now despite the fact I wouldn't be particularly bothered if he goes but I can't help but play Devils advocate.

We have definitely improved performance wise since the January window and could easily have several more points than we do.

The fact is though that due to a combination of missed chances, poor defending and horrific refereeing we have ended up where we are.

Obviously two of the three reasons outlined above are self inflicted and the manager must take a deal of responsibility for. He neglected to bring in a no nonsense central defender and that has definitely cost us points.

Having said that we should have beaten Aberdeen, Hertz, St Johnstone, Ross County and Motherwell with the first four of these all containing ludicrous decisions which went against us. We also deserved at least a point at home to Celtic, a game which also included some "interesting" decisions.

On the flipside we were beyond rotten against St Mirren and have only ourselves to blame for failings both in attack and defence.

I suppose my point is had we reached the split with the amount of points I think we deserved we would probably be sitting in 5th and the manager's future wouldn't even be being discussed.

Taking all this into account I really don't think it's so unreasonable that the board feel inclined to give him time particularly when he hasn't even had a summer window yet.

I might be made to look stupid when they sack him this afternoon or something but regardless I am pretty comfortable that everything I have written above is both reasonable and very possible.

[Cameron1875]

ST sales since general sale was possible must be horrific. I'm sure the board would have been encouraged by initial renewals but if the ST figures barely move over the next 4-6 weeks I expect Monty to be sacked.

For all the flaws in Scottish football, it is good that the main driver of income is from matchday fans so we at least have some power over things.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

I seem to be forever swimming against the tide on here just now despite the fact I wouldn't be particularly bothered if he goes but I can't help but play Devils advocate.

We have definitely improved performance wise since the January window and could easily have several more points than we do.

The fact is though that due to a combination of missed chances, poor defending and horrific refereeing we have ended up where we are.

Obviously two of the three reasons outlined above are self inflicted and the manager must take a deal of responsibility for. He neglected to bring in a no nonsense central defender and that has definitely cost us points.

Having said that we should have beaten Aberdeen, Hertz, St Johnstone, Ross County and Motherwell with the first four of these all containing ludicrous decisions which went against us. We also deserved at least a point at home to Celtic, a game which also included some "interesting" decisions.

On the flipside we were beyond rotten against St Mirren and have only ourselves to blame for failings both in attack and defence.

I suppose my point is had we reached the split with the amount of points I think we deserved we would probably be sitting in 5th and the manager's future wouldn't even be being discussed.

Taking all this into account I really don't think it's so unreasonable that the board feel inclined to give him time particularly when he hasn't even had a summer window yet.

I might be made to look stupid when they sack him this afternoon or something but regardless I am pretty comfortable that everything I have written above is both reasonable and very possible.

I stand with you flash.

At this stage, I'll be surprised if he's sacked before the St Johnstone game now so he's at least got 2 more games imo. But should we struggle in these games the already mounting pressure will become too big for the owners to ignore I'd imagine

So either the club are behind him now, or he's effectively in interim charge to prove himself before the season ends

[Ronniekirk]

I’m on your side of the argument I think but I do get the counter argument. I think the point is if he stays it’s because we are trying to learn from the previous errors and not just make the same mistakes again.

I personally wouldn’t gamble on him staying next year and it would be incredibly brave decision to stick with him but there is a lot of noise about stability being key to success.
I get the counter argument also . But the goal we lost to Ross County in time added on was criminal He said lessons would be learnt and a few weeks later in another must win game we hadn’t learnt and it’s cost us big style And that after an insipid performance v St Johnstone at home
These games and results have all come with the players signed in January in the team / squad
That's what worries me
it’s another huge rebuild in the summer .So if we don’t get that right it’s going to set us back even further
If our Director of Football as some are reporting is going in the summer when will we appoint new person to that role ,as that clearly has a bearing on recruitment
That’s just another uncertainty to add into the mix
Foley has said he will provide cash and expertise ,and access to other black nights clubs re recruitment and other things , but we really don’t know how this will pan out in practice
Bevan went back injured before kicking a ball Amos wasn’t full match fit before getting injured again
Marcondes has had a few games where he looked the part but hasn’t been consistent
But on the basis of what Monty has done I am not sure he is the man to take us forward
Kenswell needs to stick to the role of increasing income only thsts whst he is good at
If Foley has. Contacts re new Directorvof football and is on the appointment panel re new manager , that may be our best shot
But tge reality is we don’t know how any of this will pan out
But With other clubs looking like attracting new investment we really need to hit the ground running atvthecstsrtvkf next season if we are serious about aiming for third if not next season the season after

[JohnM1875]

It’s nothing to do with whatever proportion of the support not backing him. I want him gone, but I want Hibs to do well above that. I support regardless of who’s in charge.

if he does get the summer window and doesn’t improve things, it’ll not be because fans weren’t on board, it’ll be for the same reason we’ve had nae improvement in the 33 games he’s had so far. He’s not capable.

I don't disagree with you in the slightest. Spot on.

I just meant I can't really think of many instances where a manager was so up against it with the fans, they get kept on and then turn it around. The go to always seems to be Ferguson at Man Utd, nearly 40 year ago

In general I think fans turn when it's deserved (In general! Please don't bring up Jack Ross)

[bingo70]

I seem to be forever swimming against the tide on here just now despite the fact I wouldn't be particularly bothered if he goes but I can't help but play Devils advocate.

We have definitely improved performance wise since the January window and could easily have several more points than we do.

The fact is though that due to a combination of missed chances, poor defending and horrific refereeing we have ended up where we are.

Obviously two of the three reasons outlined above are self inflicted and the manager must take a deal of responsibility for. He neglected to bring in a no nonsense central defender and that has definitely cost us points.

Having said that we should have beaten Aberdeen, Hertz, St Johnstone, Ross County and Motherwell with the first four of these all containing ludicrous decisions which went against us. We also deserved at least a point at home to Celtic, a game which also included some "interesting" decisions.

On the flipside we were beyond rotten against St Mirren and have only ourselves to blame for failings both in attack and defence.

I suppose my point is had we reached the split with the amount of points I think we deserved we would probably be sitting in 5th and the manager's future wouldn't even be being discussed.

Taking all this into account I really don't think it's so unreasonable that the board feel inclined to give him time particularly when he hasn't even had a summer window yet.

I might be made to look stupid when they sack him this afternoon or something but regardless I am pretty comfortable that everything I have written above is both reasonable and very possible.

Good post Flash.

I’ve said it a lot but I’m very much leaning towards the Monty out camp but there’s still something nagging away saying he should get the summer. I can’t really pinpoint why and any argument for keeping him (there’s not many) is very easily argued against.

My gut feeling is I just dunno. My logical brain looking at his time with us so far says he should go. Wearing my business hat and pretending I was a decision maker at the club, I’d be desperate to avoid a repeat of this season when we sacked a manager after 3 games, with that being the case, Monty hasn’t shown enough to take that gamble.

Overall, taking everything into account, I’d reluctantly sack him. If we do decide to back him though, I won’t be taking the sort of tantrum I might have had in the past as I don’t think it’s impossible he could turn it around next season.

[Partyraiser]

I seem to be forever swimming against the tide on here just now despite the fact I wouldn't be particularly bothered if he goes but I can't help but play Devils advocate.

We have definitely improved performance wise since the January window and could easily have several more points than we do.

The fact is though that due to a combination of missed chances, poor defending and horrific refereeing we have ended up where we are.

Obviously two of the three reasons outlined above are self inflicted and the manager must take a deal of responsibility for. He neglected to bring in a no nonsense central defender and that has definitely cost us points.

Having said that we should have beaten Aberdeen, Hertz, St Johnstone, Ross County and Motherwell with the first four of these all containing ludicrous decisions which went against us. We also deserved at least a point at home to Celtic, a game which also included some "interesting" decisions.

On the flipside we were beyond rotten against St Mirren and have only ourselves to blame for failings both in attack and defence.

I suppose my point is had we reached the split with the amount of points I think we deserved we would probably be sitting in 5th and the manager's future wouldn't even be being discussed.

Taking all this into account I really don't think it's so unreasonable that the board feel inclined to give him time particularly when he hasn't even had a summer window yet.

I might be made to look stupid when they sack him this afternoon or something but regardless I am pretty comfortable that everything I have written above is both reasonable and very possible.

I agree with most of this apart from that we should have beaten Aberdeen away. Apart from the obvious penalty which wasn't given, it felt like Aberdeen were the better team that day and the stats looked like they battered us

[Victor]

I seem to be forever swimming against the tide on here just now despite the fact I wouldn't be particularly bothered if he goes but I can't help but play Devils advocate.

We have definitely improved performance wise since the January window and could easily have several more points than we do.

The fact is though that due to a combination of missed chances, poor defending and horrific refereeing we have ended up where we are.

Obviously two of the three reasons outlined above are self inflicted and the manager must take a deal of responsibility for. He neglected to bring in a no nonsense central defender and that has definitely cost us points.

Having said that we should have beaten Aberdeen, Hertz, St Johnstone, Ross County and Motherwell with the first four of these all containing ludicrous decisions which went against us. We also deserved at least a point at home to Celtic, a game which also included some "interesting" decisions.

On the flipside we were beyond rotten against St Mirren and have only ourselves to blame for failings both in attack and defence.

I suppose my point is had we reached the split with the amount of points I think we deserved we would probably be sitting in 5th and the manager's future wouldn't even be being discussed.

Taking all this into account I really don't think it's so unreasonable that the board feel inclined to give him time particularly when he hasn't even had a summer window yet.

I might be made to look stupid when they sack him this afternoon or something but regardless I am pretty comfortable that everything I have written above is both reasonable and very possible.

Agree with this. The late goals we lost against St. Johnstone and Motherwell had nothing to do with the manager, but from players being unable to do basics like defend and close down. The manager also cannot be blamed for Youan’s inability to pass to a colleague, for a tap-in. A lot of our problems stem from players making poor decisions and switching off at crucial times. The biggest culprits being players who were at the Club before the manager came.

[jeffers]

Agree with this. The late goals we lost against St. Johnstone and Motherwell had nothing to do with the manager, but from players being unable to do basics like defend and close down. The manager also cannot be blamed for Youan’s inability to pass to a colleague, for a tap-in. A lot of our problems stem from players making poor decisions and switching off at crucial times. The biggest culprits being players who were at the Club before the manager came.

You could flip that round and say the goals we score are nothing do with the manager then too.

The same things have been happening all season. We’ve lost poor goals all season, often at the end of the game. He’s not addressed that. Yet he wants to keep Fish, has offered an extension to Rocky’s contract and got Obita to sign a new deal. I can’t believe all our failings are down to the right back and signing a new one would have made a huge difference.

[easty]

Agree with this. The late goals we lost against St. Johnstone and Motherwell had nothing to do with the manager, but from players being unable to do basics like defend and close down. The manager also cannot be blamed for Youan’s inability to pass to a colleague, for a tap-in. A lot of our problems stem from players making poor decisions and switching off at crucial times. The biggest culprits being players who were at the Club before the manager came.

Game management isn’t the responsibility of the manager? At all?

If you can’t blame the manager for Youan not passing, do you also give the manager no credit when Youan pulls us out the **** at Tynecastle?

[SickBoy32]

You could flip that round and say the goals we score are nothing do with the manager then too.

The same things have been happening all season. We’ve lost poor goals all season, often at the end of the game. He’s not addressed that. Yet he wants to keep Fish, has offered an extension to Rocky’s contract and got Obita to sign a new deal. I can’t believe all our failings are down to the right back and signing a new one would have made a huge difference.

I think there is some merit in what Flash / Victor have said - but as you say, if he’s wanting to keep Fish and Bushiri, then what hope is there for improvement defensively? And why haven’t we improved in this regard under his tenure to date?

Wanting to extend Bushiri’s contract in particular is just nuts - is this definitely true ?

[Smartie]

I seem to be forever swimming against the tide on here just now despite the fact I wouldn't be particularly bothered if he goes but I can't help but play Devils advocate.

We have definitely improved performance wise since the January window and could easily have several more points than we do.

The fact is though that due to a combination of missed chances, poor defending and horrific refereeing we have ended up where we are.

Obviously two of the three reasons outlined above are self inflicted and the manager must take a deal of responsibility for. He neglected to bring in a no nonsense central defender and that has definitely cost us points.

Having said that we should have beaten Aberdeen, Hertz, St Johnstone, Ross County and Motherwell with the first four of these all containing ludicrous decisions which went against us. We also deserved at least a point at home to Celtic, a game which also included some "interesting" decisions.

On the flipside we were beyond rotten against St Mirren and have only ourselves to blame for failings both in attack and defence.

I suppose my point is had we reached the split with the amount of points I think we deserved we would probably be sitting in 5th and the manager's future wouldn't even be being discussed.

Taking all this into account I really don't think it's so unreasonable that the board feel inclined to give him time particularly when he hasn't even had a summer window yet.

I might be made to look stupid when they sack him this afternoon or something but regardless I am pretty comfortable that everything I have written above is both reasonable and very possible.

A very fair and balanced post tbf.

Folk like to see things black and white and with Monty it is most certainly not black and white - plenty in the plus and minus columns and your opinion on whether he should stay or go will sometimes simply come down to whether you're a glass half empty or glass half full sort of guy.

There are objective facts and then the touchy feely subjective stuff. The first halves of games where we've been slow, ponderous and frustrating haven't made the fans happy. The very fact that the fans aren't happy with what they're seeing will count too, it sort of did for big Mixu, even when his results were acceptable.

It's odd - as you say, other than for some outrageous stuff going against him that really shouldn't, he'd be fairly comfortably meeting minimum expectations and we do occasionally click and play some decent stuff.

There have just been a few too many red flags for me that make it hard to have confidence in him and see him as being a successful Hibs manager - the over perseverance with 442 and the players who were playing it and then, do I really think he's ever going to be able to read a game and make subs that either close games out or change them for the better or is that sort of stuff always going to be more likely to come from the opposition dug out? Whilst I acknowledge mitigating factors and aspects of improvement since January, it's nearly impossible to have full confidence in him.

[jeffers]

I think there is some merit in what Flash / Victor have said - but as you say, if he’s wanting to keep Fish and Bushiri, then what hope is there for improvement defensively? And why haven’t we improved in this regard under his tenure to date?

Wanting to extend Bushiri’s contract in particular is just nuts - is this definitely true ?

So I’ve been told. In Rocky’s case he is viewed by the club as a saleable asset, I think he’s only got a year left on his deal, and Monty clearly rates him so I fully understand the decision. Don’t agree with it though.

[Victor]

Game management isn’t the responsibility of the manager? At all?

If you can’t blame the manager for Youan not passing, do you also give the manager no credit when Youan pulls us out the **** at Tynecastle?

Of course it is, but I am quite sure he doesn’t tell players to switch off and not do basic things. Every player knows what they should be doing and has the ability to do it, if they don’t do what they are told to do, whose fault is that? If I told you to take a cow to market and sell it for cash and you trade it for magic beans, who is to blame? By your reckoning it’s my fault for trusting you. But what if you were my only option?

[flash]

A very fair and balanced post tbf.

Folk like to see things black and white and with Monty it is most certainly not black and white - plenty in the plus and minus columns and your opinion on whether he should stay or go will sometimes simply come down to whether you're a glass half empty or glass half full sort of guy.

There are objective facts and then the touchy feely subjective stuff. The first halves of games where we've been slow, ponderous and frustrating haven't made the fans happy. The very fact that the fans aren't happy with what they're seeing will count too, it sort of did for big Mixu, even when his results were acceptable.

It's odd - as you say, other than for some outrageous stuff going against him that really shouldn't, he'd be fairly comfortably meeting minimum expectations and we do occasionally click and play some decent stuff.

There have just been a few too many red flags for me that make it hard to have confidence in him and see him as being a successful Hibs manager - the over perseverance with 442 and the players who were playing it and then, do I really think he's ever going to be able to read a game and make subs that either close games out or change them for the better or is that sort of stuff always going to be more likely to come from the opposition dug out? Whilst I acknowledge mitigating factors and aspects of improvement since January, it's nearly impossible to have full confidence in him.

Cheers. All I was attempting to show was that there are indeed shades of grey between the black and the white.

[SickBoy32]

So I’ve been told. In Rocky’s case he is viewed by the club as a saleable asset

Wow. If that’s what they think - then just sell him now for **** sake 😂

[McGruber]

I think there is some merit in what Flash / Victor have said - but as you say, if he’s wanting to keep Fish and Bushiri, then what hope is there for improvement defensively? And why haven’t we improved in this regard under his tenure to date?

Wanting to extend Bushiri’s contract in particular is just nuts - is this definitely true ?

I would be happy for Rocky to get an extension. I would sign 2 new starting centre backs don't get me wrong. Rocky still has improvement in him, he isn't the finished article but has obvious attributes and has been improving. He was getting universal praise on here after coming back from AFCON initially. Has been the better of the 2 beside Fish inspite of him playing on the left when they are both right sided. Priority signings 2 centre backs but Rocky back up on the right side - don't think that's nuts. Keeps budget for elsewhere

[JimBHibees]

The overall stats you include may not back up a claim that results improved, but most folk citing improvement were talking about performances rather than results and hoping that if the performances became consistently better the results would follow.

The 0-3 St Mirren game was the one which really sparked a pile-on about Monty's future and rightly so. It was a disgraceful display and result. However, what won me round (temporarily) was the way we responded to that. We deserved more than we took from the games against Celtic, Aberdeen and Hearts, while we did a professional job in getting the home wins against Ross County and Dundee and we really should have held on to win at County away. However, it's the way we so easily buckled in the key game against St Johnstone that has set the alarm bells ringing for me again. The home win over Livi garnered a lot of positive comments but in hindsight it masked a lot of flaws and as soon as we came up against a more savvy side managed by a savvy manager (Levein) we couldn't cope.

I'm certainly concerned by the prospect of persevering with Monty now and it's not hard to see us in a real mess come September should we do so. The club's silence on any sort of plan for the future isn't helping instil confidence.

Fair post i think it was the improvement in performance that gave some hope particularly the derby and Celtic games the same time we definitely weren’t getting a fair crack of the whip from refs. The Ross county and St Johnstone games have knocked that hope back a bit with the four goals scored against goals you would be disappointed for an under 12 team to lose. Personal opinion there is enough to be looking at giving him preseason and ability to revamp squad however last two games clearly haven’t helped him. Would like club to come out with clear statement one way or another but doubt that will happen.

[JimBHibees]

I would be happy for Rocky to get an extension. I would sign 2 new starting centre backs don't get me wrong. Rocky still has improvement in him, he isn't the finished article but has obvious attributes and has been improving. He was getting universal praise on here after coming back from AFCON initially. Has been the better of the 2 beside Fish inspite of him playing on the left when they are both right sided. Priority signings 2 centre backs but Rocky back up on the right side - don't think that's nuts. Keeps budget for elsewhere

Wouldn’t disagree with that he is raw but has potential and clear attributes some of our others defenders don’t have.

[JimBHibees]

I seem to be forever swimming against the tide on here just now despite the fact I wouldn't be particularly bothered if he goes but I can't help but play Devils advocate.

We have definitely improved performance wise since the January window and could easily have several more points than we do.

The fact is though that due to a combination of missed chances, poor defending and horrific refereeing we have ended up where we are.

Obviously two of the three reasons outlined above are self inflicted and the manager must take a deal of responsibility for. He neglected to bring in a no nonsense central defender and that has definitely cost us points.

Having said that we should have beaten Aberdeen, Hertz, St Johnstone, Ross County and Motherwell with the first four of these all containing ludicrous decisions which went against us. We also deserved at least a point at home to Celtic, a game which also included some "interesting" decisions.

On the flipside we were beyond rotten against St Mirren and have only ourselves to blame for failings both in attack and defence.

I suppose my point is had we reached the split with the amount of points I think we deserved we would probably be sitting in 5th and the manager's future wouldn't even be being discussed.

Taking all this into account I really don't think it's so unreasonable that the board feel inclined to give him time particularly when he hasn't even had a summer window yet.

I might be made to look stupid when they sack him this afternoon or something but regardless I am pretty comfortable that everything I have written above is both reasonable and very possible.

Good post exactly where i am. As you say fair decisions we are probably 5th. As you also say the repeat defensive errors and on occasion horrific game management and subs which weaken the team are on him as well as the players it isn’t in any way a clear decision. I am for keeping however would also have to say can understand and agree with some of the points against him also.

[Alex Trager]

Agree with this. The late goals we lost against St. Johnstone and Motherwell had nothing to do with the manager, but from players being unable to do basics like defend and close down. The manager also cannot be blamed for Youan’s inability to pass to a colleague, for a tap-in. A lot of our problems stem from players making poor decisions and switching off at crucial times. The biggest culprits being players who were at the Club before the manager came.

The manager had a window to bring in better players.

He thought Triantis was the better CH.

That is clearly, bollocks.

[easty]

Of course it is, but I am quite sure he doesn’t tell players to switch off and not do basic things. Every player knows what they should be doing and has the ability to do it, if they don’t do what they are told to do, whose fault is that? If I told you to take a cow to market and sell it for cash and you trade it for magic beans, who is to blame? By your reckoning it’s my fault for trusting you. But what if you were my only option?

If you asked me to take a cow to market and I came back with beans once then fair enough you are not responsible. If it’s the 33rd time you’ve asked me and I’ve come back with beans more often than not. It’s your fault as much as mines. If it seems like I’m your only option it’s because you’re not looking hard enough to change things.

Say half way through my 33 journeys to market you were given the opportunity to employ a delivery driver, but instead you just bought a new cattle fence to replace the perfectly adequate fence that you already have. Again, that’s your fault.

[easty]

Good post exactly where i am. As you say fair decisions we are probably 5th. As you also say the repeat defensive errors and on occasion horrific game management and subs which weaken the team are on him as well as the players it isn’t in any way a clear decision. I am for keeping however would also have to say can understand and agree with some of the points against him also.

Does that account for the decisions all teams feel went against them, or just the ones that don’t suit us?

[Murphys Touch]

A very fair and balanced post tbf.

Folk like to see things black and white and with Monty it is most certainly not black and white - plenty in the plus and minus columns and your opinion on whether he should stay or go will sometimes simply come down to whether you're a glass half empty or glass half full sort of guy.

There are objective facts and then the touchy feely subjective stuff. The first halves of games where we've been slow, ponderous and frustrating haven't made the fans happy. The very fact that the fans aren't happy with what they're seeing will count too, it sort of did for big Mixu, even when his results were acceptable.

It's odd - as you say, other than for some outrageous stuff going against him that really shouldn't, he'd be fairly comfortably meeting minimum expectations and we do occasionally click and play some decent stuff.

There have just been a few too many red flags for me that make it hard to have confidence in him and see him as being a successful Hibs manager - the over perseverance with 442 and the players who were playing it and then, do I really think he's ever going to be able to read a game and make subs that either close games out or change them for the better or is that sort of stuff always going to be more likely to come from the opposition dug out? Whilst I acknowledge mitigating factors and aspects of improvement since January, it's nearly impossible to have full confidence in him.

I agree with all this!

Too many red flags for me and ultimately he’s not cut up to meet our expectations.

I get Flash’s points, we could easily be in 4/5th given the late goals or decisions. But we cannot keep going into the 90th minute against crap with either 1 goal of a lead or drawing. That is the managers fault

[Alex Trager]

Wouldn’t disagree with that he is raw but has potential and clear attributes some of our others defenders don’t have.

Rocky is pretty *****.

We could sell and get a ‘better’ CH as cover from one of the smaller clubs in the league for the same cash.

[flash]

Does that account for the decisions all teams feel went against them, or just the ones that don’t suit us?

Are you seriously suggesting we haven't had a disproportionate amount of poor decisions?

[easty]

Are you seriously suggesting we haven't had a disproportionate amount of poor decisions?

No, nowhere have I said that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Does that account for the decisions all teams feel went against them, or just the ones that don’t suit us?

:agree:

There was a post the other day outlining that if we hadn’t lost any goals in stoppage time we’d be level with Kilmarnock. There was a lot of back patting, good response type replies and it appeared justification to some that we were just unlucky and could really be challenging for fourth.

What it failed to consider is that once you do the same for Kilmarnock they end up away out in front of us again.

[superfurryhibby]

Are you seriously suggesting we haven't had a disproportionate amount of poor decisions?

Why don't you provide some evidence for that? I'll not hold my breath whilst you look for the "facts" though

I could just as easily say "are you seriously suggesting that Hibs are on the receiving end more than other clubs" ?

Whilst your take panders to conspiracists, apologists and the overly lacking perspective amongst our support, most of us realise that it's a blight on our game that affects all teams equally (Old Firm aside, obvs).

[flash]

Why don't you provide some evidence for that? I'll not hold my breath whilst you look for the "facts" though

I could just as easily say "are you seriously suggesting that Hibs are on the receiving end more than other clubs" ?

Whilst your take panders to conspiracists, apologists and the overly lacking perspective amongst our support, most of us realise that it's a blight on our game that affects all teams equally (Old Firm aside, obvs).

We have finally jumped the shark where we now have people who are so desperate to get rid of the manager they are prepared to outright lie about what has happened to us this season with decisions.

[superfurryhibby]

We have finally jumped the shark where we now have people who are so desperate to get rid of the manager they are prepared to outright lie about what has happened to us this season with decisions.

You seem unhealthily obsessed with pointing out the flaws in others views. Now your calling people liars for pointing out the massive flaw in your own logic, good work.

[flash]

You seem unhealthily obsessed with pointing out the flaws in others views. Now your calling people liars for pointing out the massive flaw in your own logic, good work.

Have we or have we not had comfortably more dodgy decisions against us than in our favour this season?

[Victor]

The manager had a window to bring in better players.

He thought Triantis was the better CH.

That is clearly, bollocks.

The worst window for bringing in established players. I think the consensus was that Triantis was backup after we lost out on another player. Triantis has shown he can be effective as a DM. Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t make my opinion less valid. You obviously want NM to go, I am not so certain. I think we should agree to disagree.

[easty]

Have we or have we not had comfortably more dodgy decisions against us than in our favour this season?

I dunno. I only know about our ones, but do hear a lot of complaints from most sets of fans.

This came out in Feb, and we’re not on it - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68306579.amp

This was from the first round of fixtures - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67517896.amp

I get that we legitimately feel hard done by, but disproportionately so? I don’t know. Genuinely I don’t know.

[superfurryhibby]

Have we or have we not had comfortably more dodgy decisions against us than in our favour this season?

No more or less than any other side I would guess and my guess is as good as your guess.

[flash]

I dunno. I only know about our ones, but do hear a lot of complaints from most sets of fans.

This came out in Feb, and we’re not on it - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68306579.amp

This was from the first round of fixtures - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67517896.amp

I get that we legitimately feel hard done by, but disproportionately so? I don’t know. Genuinely I don’t know.

Surely if we have been shafted far more often than we have benefitted then others have benefitted from the same decisions?

[flash]

No more or less than any other side I would guess and my guess is as good as your guess.

No it isn't. I have seen every Hibs game this season. We have been shafted.

[jeffers]

I don’t think anyone can deny we’ve had some shocking decisions given against us this season, where I have some disagreement is the assertion that they definitely cost us points. They may well have but that cannot be proved. The penalty we should have had against the sheep being an example, there being no guarantee to we’d have scored it.

Every team will point to terrible decisions given against them that may well have cost them points this season, I’ve not watched enough to say we’ve had the most.

[easty]

The worst window for bringing in established players. I think the consensus was that Triantis was backup after we lost out on another player. Triantis has shown he can be effective as a DM. Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t make my opinion less valid. You obviously want NM to go, I am not so certain. I think we should agree to disagree.

We brought in Maolida this January. We brought in Harry Clarke, Egan-Riley, Chris Cadden, Jackson Irvine, Paul McGinn, Greg Docherty, Scott Allan, Jamie Maclaren, Kamberi in previous Jan windows.

It’s just no an excuse I’m willing to accept for not improving the part of the team that needed it most.

[Victor]

If you asked me to take a cow to market and I came back with beans once then fair enough you are not responsible. If it’s the 33rd time you’ve asked me and I’ve come back with beans more often than not. It’s your fault as much as mines. If it seems like I’m your only option it’s because you’re not looking hard enough to change things.

Say half way through my 33 journeys to market you were given the opportunity to employ a delivery driver, but instead you just bought a new cattle fence to replace the perfectly adequate fence that you already have. Again, that’s your fault.

Thanks. So no matter what I do it’s my fault. I would suggest that you want the current manager gone and will not look at any other alternative. I have no idea what the last part meant as it infers that I am here for longer than one season and have lots of cash to make all these changes!

[Forza Fred]

The worst window for bringing in established players. I think the consensus was that Triantis was backup after we lost out on another player. Triantis has shown he can be effective as a DM. Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t make my opinion less valid. You obviously want NM to go, I am not so certain. I think we should agree to disagree.

I’ve posted before that in his one season in the A League Triantis was more a defensive midfielder than a centre half.

Kaltak and Hall were the regular double centre halves for the Mariners with Triantis playing in a freer role.

[superfurryhibby]

I dunno. I only know about our ones, but do hear a lot of complaints from most sets of fans.

This came out in Feb, and we’re not on it - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68306579.amp

This was from the first round of fixtures - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67517896.amp

I get that we legitimately feel hard done by, but disproportionately so? I don’t know. Genuinely I don’t know.

No one knows, because all fans will have their own team coloured specs on. There is no way of really measuring and making a comparison. It comes down to what you want to believe. of course we've had shan decisions go against us. However, I don't believe it's any better or worse than other sides. To do so would be to believe that there is some anti-Hibs agenda amongst the refereeing fraternity. That for me is nonsense. Incompetency, yes, conspiracy, no.

[easty]

I don’t think anyone can deny we’ve had some shocking decisions given against us this season, where I have some disagreement is the assertion that they definitely cost us points. They may well have but that cannot be proved. The penalty we should have had against the sheep being an example, there being no guarantee to we’d have scored it.

Every team will point to terrible decisions given against them that may well have cost them points this season, I’ve not watched enough to say we’ve had the most.

Agreed.

Aberdeen got a man sent off at Hampden and we went on to lose the game. There’s never any guarantees.

[flash]

Agreed.

Aberdeen got a man sent off at Hampden and we went on to lose the game. There’s never any guarantees.

We should have had a penalty in that game.

[Alex Trager]

The worst window for bringing in established players. I think the consensus was that Triantis was backup after we lost out on another player. Triantis has shown he can be effective as a DM. Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t make my opinion less valid. You obviously want NM to go, I am not so certain. I think we should agree to disagree.

I do want him to go for various reasons, but that does not matter when it comes to assessing his decisions on Centre Half in January.

[easty]

We should have had a penalty in that game.

Agreed, but no guarantee we’d have scored.

[Trinity Hibee]

Decisions go for and against every club. Like many others I don’t watch others teams games but every team seems to have a gripe about decisions. We’ve had some bad ones against us that is certain but every team will say the same so we can only go on results and the league table.

[flash]

Agreed, but no guarantee we’d have scored.

Indeed but yet another poor decision against us.

[jeffers]

The worst window for bringing in established players. I think the consensus was that Triantis was backup after we lost out on another player. Triantis has shown he can be effective as a DM. Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t make my opinion less valid. You obviously want NM to go, I am not so certain. I think we should agree to disagree.

Triantis wasn’t backup though, he was first choice. The delay was down to Sunderland making up their mind about letting him go on loan.

January may be a harder window, didn’t stop us bringing in quality like Maolida, Marcondes and NMW though.

[superfurryhibby]

Agreed, but no guarantee we’d have scored.

That's where the could have, should have, would have argument falls flat on it's face. No one knows-end of debate.

[jeffers]

We should have had a penalty in that game.

I think easty’s point is valid though. Had the Aberdeen player not been sent off I’ve no doubt some would say we’d have won the game otherwise. Yet he did and we still went on to lose. There are just too many assumptions for me what the actual impact of the decisions were.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I dunno. I only know about our ones, but do hear a lot of complaints from most sets of fans.

This came out in Feb, and we’re not on it - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68306579.amp

This was from the first round of fixtures - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67517896.amp

I get that we legitimately feel hard done by, but disproportionately so? I don’t know. Genuinely I don’t know.

Two really interesting links considering how we keep hearing on here that we’re the ones that are getting cheated most.

Another reason it is nigh on impossible to say either way is that half these decisions don’t even end up on the highlights packages. Short of knowing a Motherwell/St J/St Mirren/Aberdeen fan or whatever well enough that you regularly discuss the games with them, you’d have no way of knowing when some of these decisions occur.

Theres been numerous of the decisions that are quoted on here that were never included on Sportscene. Take our game against Ross County. Folk pinpoint the equaliser in that game as being one of the biggest reasons we missed out on top 6. All the highlights show though is the throw in being taken. It’s never referenced at any point that we should have had the throw in or that it was taken further forward etc.

If that’s the same for other clubs (and there’s no reason it wouldn’t be) then most of us would never know that loads of poor decisions even happened in games not involving Hibs.

[CallumLaidlaw]

The worst window for bringing in established players. I think the consensus was that Triantis was backup after we lost out on another player. Triantis has shown he can be effective as a DM. Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t make my opinion less valid. You obviously want NM to go, I am not so certain. I think we should agree to disagree.

And yet, it turns out Triantis was NM’s first choice and wanted it done early in the window. It didn’t happen so we moved on but he then became available at the end of the window.


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[Spudster]

I don’t think anyone can deny we’ve had some shocking decisions given against us this season, where I have some disagreement is the assertion that they definitely cost us points. They may well have but that cannot be proved. The penalty we should have had against the sheep being an example, there being no guarantee to we’d have scored it.

Every team will point to terrible decisions given against them that may well have cost them points this season, I’ve not watched enough to say we’ve had the most.

BBC's Tom English said last week we should be more aggrieved than anyone regarding VAR and referee decisions.

[easty]

BBC's Tom English said last week we should be more aggrieved than anyone regarding VAR and referee decisions.

That in itself is funny, because 99% of the time I read how Tom English is a fanny and talks ****. Then he says one thing in our favour and he’s no longer talking horse poo?

[allezsauzee]

That in itself is funny, because 99% of the time I read how Tom English is a fanny and talks ****. Then he says one thing in our favour and he’s no longer talking horse poo?

Even a broken clock is right twice a day! However people are deluding themselves if they think our failings are down to VAR. Hearts are 23 points ahead of us with a bawbag as manager. There's no way we've had that many bad decisions against us

[jeffers]

BBC's Tom English said last week we should be more aggrieved than anyone regarding VAR and referee decisions.

And maybe we should be, though I wouldn’t be taking Tom English’s word for anything.

It still doesn’t alter my point that one of the (main) defences for sticking by Monty was we’d have had more points if those decisions had gone in our favour. Yes we may have, but we may have had two more points if he hadn’t made stupid substitutions when we were 2-0 up against Ross County at the end of October.

[worcesterhibby]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day! However people are deluding themselves if they think our failings are down to VAR. Hearts are 23 points ahead of us with a bawbag as manager. There's no way we've had that many bad decisions against us

While I have a good deal of sympathy with those suggesting that we can't just keep sacking managers and I DO firmly believe that we have been right royally shafted by refs and Var this year, the fact that a very ordinary Hearts team, with one good goalscorer and a rookie manager an be so far ahead of us is pretty damning.

[JimBHibees]

Does that account for the decisions all teams feel went against them, or just the ones that don’t suit us?

Genuinely don’t think any other team has had the catalogue of game changing decisions we have had. It was game after game and both Celtic in league and Rangers in the cup had more than one decision in each game.

[flash]

This has become incredible now where we have people queueing up to tell us we weren't shafted after all and even if we were it doesn't matter because we would have still lost all the games anyway.

All so they don't have to cut the manager any slack.

[JimBHibees]

I don’t think anyone can deny we’ve had some shocking decisions given against us this season, where I have some disagreement is the assertion that they definitely cost us points. They may well have but that cannot be proved. The penalty we should have had against the sheep being an example, there being no guarantee to we’d have scored it.

Every team will point to terrible decisions given against them that may well have cost them points this season, I’ve not watched enough to say we’ve had the most.

It clearly can’t be proved for definite however these decisions absolutely impact the outcomes of games.

[JimBHibees]

This has become incredible now where we have people queueing up to tell us we weren't shafted after all and even if we were it doesn't matter because we would have still lost all the games anyway.

All so they don't have to cut the manager any slack.

Pretty much.

[Paulie Walnuts]

This has become incredible now where we have people queueing up to tell us we weren't shafted after all and even if we were it doesn't matter because we would have still lost all the games anyway.

All so they don't have to cut the manager any slack.

I’ve literally not seen anybody say there hasn’t been bad decisions against us.

[JimBHibees]

Why don't you provide some evidence for that? I'll not hold my breath whilst you look for the "facts" though

I could just as easily say "are you seriously suggesting that Hibs are on the receiving end more than other clubs" ?

Whilst your take panders to conspiracists, apologists and the overly lacking perspective amongst our support, most of us realise that it's a blight on our game that affects all teams equally (Old Firm aside, obvs).

No way have we been treated equally decision wise and absolutely been treated much worse. Incredible take

[Paulie Walnuts]

No way have we been treated equally decision wise and absolutely been treated much worse. Incredible take

If you haven’t watched the other games then you’ve absolutely no way of knowing that though, do you?

Go and ask a Motherwell or a St Johnstone fan about the terrible decision against us up at Ross County. They’ll likely look at you with no idea what you’re talking about.

Ask them about some of the terrible decisions against them. You’ll likely have never seen any of them.

Unless you’ve watched all the games in the league this season then I’m not sure how you can say we’re treated worse than anybody.

[JimBHibees]

No one knows, because all fans will have their own team coloured specs on. There is no way of really measuring and making a comparison. It comes down to what you want to believe. of course we've had shan decisions go against us. However, I don't believe it's any better or worse than other sides. To do so would be to believe that there is some anti-Hibs agenda amongst the refereeing fraternity. That for me is nonsense. Incompetency, yes, conspiracy, no.

I think there is an agenda yes

[JimBHibees]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day! However people are deluding themselves if they think our failings are down to VAR. Hearts are 23 points ahead of us with a bawbag as manager. There's no way we've had that many bad decisions against us

No one is arguing we have been great this season and decisions would make up 23 points that is silly however i think a very very conservative estimate would be we have at least lost 5 points or so which would have us 5th.

[superfurryhibby]

No way have we been treated equally decision wise and absolutely been treated much worse. Incredible take

What's so incredible? That I don't believe there is an agenda against Hibs or that the incompetence (which I fully acknowledge) levels are any higher than they are for any other club in our league. Show me some evidence that supports your view?

Why do you imagine there is an agenda against Hibs?

[jeffers]

It clearly can’t be proved for definite however these decisions absolutely impact the outcomes of games.

It clearly can’t be proved but the decisions absolutely impact the outcomes of games seems a bit of a contradiction imo. These decisions absolutely can impact the outcome of games, it’s a subtle difference.

[superfurryhibby]

This has become incredible now where we have people queueing up to tell us we weren't shafted after all and even if we were it doesn't matter because we would have still lost all the games anyway.

All so they don't have to cut the manager any slack.

Desperate stuff.

Can you post a multi quote showing all these people queuing up to say this :confused:

[jeffers]

This has become incredible now where we have people queueing up to tell us we weren't shafted after all and even if we were it doesn't matter because we would have still lost all the games anyway.

All so they don't have to cut the manager any slack.

Can’t agree with you there flash. No one is disagreeing we weren’t shafted, nor is anyone saying we’d still have lost all the games anyway, it’s the “given” that we’d have gained more points if they’d went in our favour that some of us are disagreeing with.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Can’t agree with you there flash. No one is disagreeing we weren’t shafted, nor is anyone saying we’d still have lost all the games anyway, it’s the “given” that we’d have gained more points if they’d went in our favour that some of us are disagreeing with.

And the fantasy addition of points to our total whilst completely failing to increase the total of other teams for decisions against them.

For example, there’s a red card against Dundee in a game they drew against Killie in that list easty posted. The red came after 34 minutes. Theres an incorrectly allowed goal against Dundee versus Motherwell in that list in a game they drew. Dundee lost 3-1 at Ibrox and that list says there shouldn’t have been a penalty given for Rangers which was given at 1-1.

And that’s just the ones on that list. Seeing as none of our games are on either of those lists, how many other mistakes has there been?

Going by the way people have argued on here, that could have been anywhere between 4-7 points extra for Dundee. Theres a 90+10 equaliser for Miovski which shouldn’t have counted on that list against St Mirren. I’ve seen an extra 5 points for Hibs and top 5 referenced by JimBHibees - that wouldn’t have got us top 6 had those clubs not been wronged by those listed decisions as well.

If I’m a Dundee fan I’m looking at those lists of decisions reviewed by the independent panel and thinking that Hibs have been involved in absolutely zero controversial decisions whilst they’ve had numerous go against them.

[JimBHibees]

It clearly can’t be proved but the decisions absolutely impact the outcomes of games seems a bit of a contradiction imo. These decisions absolutely can impact the outcome of games, it’s a subtle difference.

Not really a contradiction it clearly can’t be proved as you will never know how it will play out but every chance it will impact the outcome. The wrong added time the wrong throw in taken from the wrong place at Dingwall is a stick on two more points for Hibs.

[JimBHibees]

What's so incredible? That I don't believe there is an agenda against Hibs or that the incompetence (which I fully acknowledge) levels are any higher than they are for any other club in our league. Show me some evidence that supports your view?

Why do you imagine there is an agenda against Hibs?

Evidence is watching the games and the list of clearly wrong decisions provided on this site more than once. Do you genuinely think refs are fair?

[jeffers]

Not really a contradiction it clearly can’t be proved as you will never know how it will play out but every chance it will impact the outcome. The wrong added time the wrong throw in taken from the wrong place at Dingwall is a stick on two more points for Hibs.

Saying there is a chance it will impact the outcome is different from it absolutely will. It’s why I don’t agree we’d definitely have had x number of additional points. We may have had additional points.

The Dingwall throw in was a bad one, we should have been more switched on and defended better though. As we should have been more switched on at the end of the game on Saturday.

[superfurryhibby]

Evidence is watching the games and the list of clearly wrong decisions provided on this site more than once. Do you genuinely think refs are fair?

How many times does it need said? Perhaps you should read the last few pages on this thread for context.

No, I think our refs are often incompetent, but not just in their reffing of Hibs.

As had been stated repeatedly you (and me) have no idea as to the extent of poor decisions involving other teams or what the perceptions are from fans of other clubs of how their club is treated

My view is that all teams will have broadly similar gripes. A list of clearly wrong decisions for me is just another so what, it's hardly compelling or definitive evidence.

[Since452]

And the fantasy addition of points to our total whilst completely failing to increase the total of other teams for decisions against them.

For example, there’s a red card against Dundee in a game they drew against Killie in that list easty posted. Theres an incorrectly allowed goal against Dundee versus Motherwell in that list in a game they drew. Dundee lost 3-1 at Ibrox and that list says there shouldn’t have been a penalty given for Rangers which was given at 1-1.

And that’s just the ones on that list. Seeing as none of our games are on either of those lists, how many other mistakes has there been?

Going by the way people have argued on here, that could have been anywhere between 4-7 points extra for Dundee. Theres a 90+10 equaliser for Miovski which shouldn’t have counted on that list against St Mirren. I’ve seen an extra 5 points for Hibs and top 6 referenced by JimBHibees - that wouldn’t have got us top 6 had those clubs not been wronged by those listed decisions as well.

Might just add 5/6 points on to our total last season for the honking calls that went against us and pretend we finished 3rd and were in the group stages of Europe. Bring back LJ he was brilliant :flag:

[easty]

Genuinely don’t think any other team has had the catalogue of game changing decisions we have had. It was game after game and both Celtic in league and Rangers in the cup had more than one decision in each game.

When we played Aberdeen and didn’t get the clear hand ball penalty, Aberdeen fans wanted a pen against Marshall for a challenge on Miovski, and Campbell got a yellow for a challenge that they wanted a red for too.

So were we hard done by or did we get away with it that day?

[One Day Soon]

I agree - it feels like the argument to keep him hinges on nothing more than hope and optimism that time will be the deciding factor. I think the case for keeping him needs to have some more tangible reasons than that.

I don't think there are any good reasons for keeping him.

Unless he is let go at season end then right now I'm pretty confident that next season we are going to rinse and repeat the same as this, with the addition of his being sacked after a few fixtures. If we begin next season playing the same, ahem, 'style' of football and with the same awful return on results then Easter Road is going to be like a morgue. A very angry one.

[WhileTheChief..]

Evidence is watching the games and the list of clearly wrong decisions provided on this site more than once. Do you genuinely think refs are fair?

Yeah but in fairness you’ve got the greenest of tinted glasses when it comes to watching Hibs.

It’s not evidence at all. It’s just a long list of decision you’ve decided are wrong.

[allezsauzee]

While I have a good deal of sympathy with those suggesting that we can't just keep sacking managers and I DO firmly believe that we have been right royally shafted by refs and Var this year, the fact that a very ordinary Hearts team, with one good goalscorer and a rookie manager an be so far ahead of us is pretty damning.

Yep, I think even Hearts fans are amazed at how comfortably they've got third this season given how average their team is. In fairness to Naismith as inexperienced as he is, he's worked out that you need to have a solid spine to the team which is more than what Monty and Lee Johnson have done.

[degenerated]

I dunno. I only know about our ones, but do hear a lot of complaints from most sets of fans.

This came out in Feb, and we’re not on it - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68306579.amp

This was from the first round of fixtures - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/67517896.amp

I get that we legitimately feel hard done by, but disproportionately so? I don’t know. Genuinely I don’t know.Independent report :hilarious

That's just them marking their own homework.

[JimBHibees]

Saying there is a chance it will impact the outcome is different from it absolutely will. It’s why I don’t agree we’d definitely have had x number of additional points. We may have had additional points.

The Dingwall throw in was a bad one, we should have been more switched on and defended better though. As we should have been more switched on at the end of the game on Saturday.

I would say more than likely have impacted our points rather than a chance. Undoubtedly our awful defending and poor game management contributed to the late goals. My estimate is five points which think is a fair lower estimate an opinion. Dingwall derby Aberdeen and Celtic are games imo we would have won more points than we did get.

[One Day Soon]

That in itself is funny, because 99% of the time I read how Tom English is a fanny and talks ****. Then he says one thing in our favour and he’s no longer talking horse poo?

Most Scottish sports journalists are now heavily wired into the fan sites like these. It's easier than legwork and research so it makes writing the stories easier.

If Tom English and others have kept any eye on .net as part of that process (and they will have done given Montgomery's appalling season and entirely reasonable supporter unhappiness about it) then they will certainly have picked up on the debates about NM's future and what is emerging as the 'he's hopeless get him out/he's been unlucky - it wiz the refs - give the guy a chance' binary debate that has unfolded here.

I'd set about as much stock by anything Tom English says about Hibs as I would anything Danny La Rue might have said. Perhaps less.

[JimBHibees]

Yeah but in fairness you’ve got the greenest of tinted glasses when it comes to watching Hibs.

It’s not evidence at all. It’s just a long list of decision you’ve decided are wrong.

Don’t think i have got the greenest of tinted specs 🤓 and consider myself pretty balanced with decisions. Most neutral observers would consider the Ross county throw in, the penalty v Hearts, the Aberdeen basketball incident and Boyle and Ralston penalty incidents v Celtic to be wrong. You just continue believing refereeing in this country is fair and balanced and will even itself out eventually. Been waiting a while for that eventually

[Pretty Boy]

Yep, I think even Hearts fans are amazed at how comfortably they've got third this season given how average their team is. In fairness to Naismith as inexperienced as he is, he's worked out that you need to have a solid spine to the team which is more than what Monty and Lee Johnson have done.

I posted the other day that Hearts had a really poor start to the season along with us.

When Montgomery was appointed we had 3 points, Hearts only had 4. I posted each teams respective record since that point, I can't be bothered doing it again but it's damning reading and a clear indication as to why they now have 62 points and we have 39.

Ultimately come the 19th May Montgomery will have managed all but 4 of our domestic games this season. Our failures, in their own right and when measured against Hearts, are in no small way down to him. He wasn't some guy thrown in at the deep end in mid March charged with saving our season. He's been our manager for almost 90% of the season.

[jeffers]

I would say more than likely have impacted our points rather than a chance. Undoubtedly our awful defending and poor game management contributed to the late goals. My estimate is five points which think is a fair lower estimate an opinion. Dingwall derby Aberdeen and Celtic are games imo we would have won more points than we did get.

I don’t think we are going to agree on this Jim, so I’m going to bow out of this part of the discussion on Monty.

[Crab apple]

I posted the other day that Hearts had a really poor start to the season along with us.

When Montgomery was appointed we had 3 points, Hearts only had 4. I posted each teams respective record since that point, I can't be bothered doing it again but it's damning reading and a clear indication as to why they now have 62 points and we have 39.

Ultimately come the 19th May Montgomery will have managed all but 4 of our domestic games this season. Our failures, in their own right and when measured against Hearts, are in no small way down to him. He wasn't some guy thrown in at the deep end in mid March charged with saving our season. He's been our manager for almost 90% of the season.

I've been to more away games this season than I normally get to and I think I've only seen us win at Livì. That's dire and even with new players I don't see Monty turning things around.

[JimBHibees]

I don’t think we are going to agree on this Jim, so I’m going to bow out of this part of the discussion on Monty.

Fair enough not really trying to fight his corner much as share a lot of the concerns others have just think it isn’t as black and white and a wee bit of context is important and think it unfair to suggest decisions haven’t been a factor. To be honest split on it myself and not sure what the right decision is. Just think should give him more time but won’t die in a ditch over it and can understand if he does go.

[flash]

Yeah but in fairness you’ve got the greenest of tinted glasses when it comes to watching Hibs.

It’s not evidence at all. It’s just a long list of decision you’ve decided are wrong.

Aye so it is.

[JimBHibees]

When we played Aberdeen and didn’t get the clear hand ball penalty, Aberdeen fans wanted a pen against Marshall for a challenge on Miovski, and Campbell got a yellow for a challenge that they wanted a red for too.

So were we hard done by or did we get away with it that day?

Fair enough 😄 we were lucky

[jeffers]

Fair enough not really trying to fight his corner much as share a lot of the concerns others have just think it isn’t as black and white and a wee bit of context is important and think it unfair to suggest decisions haven’t been a factor. To be honest split on it myself and not sure what the right decision is. Just think should give him more time but won’t die in a ditch over it and can understand if he does go.

That’s fair.

Even if I agreed the decisions cost us points there are too many factors that for me give me no confidence giving him more time is the right thing to do.

[Fergus52]

What's so incredible? That I don't believe there is an agenda against Hibs or that the incompetence (which I fully acknowledge) levels are any higher than they are for any other club in our league. Show me some evidence that supports your view?

Why do you imagine there is an agenda against Hibs?

We all know Scottish football is a backwards, insular, closed shop.

We also know that at the start of the season Kensall had a meeting with the referee chiefs, complaining about all the key decisions that had gone against us the season before.

Can you imagine what the senior refs thought having this fake tanned, English guy show up and start berating them. I genuinely think the refs have been out to get us worse than normal this season, likely due to their meeting with Kensall not going well.

[WhileTheChief..]

Aye so it is.

Glad you agree

[JimBHibees]

That’s fair.

Even if I agreed the decisions cost us points there are too many factors that for me give me no confidence giving him more time is the right thing to do.

Which is fair

[blackpoolhibs]

We all know Scottish football is a backwards, insular, closed shop.

We also know that at the start of the season Kensall had a meeting with the referee chiefs, complaining about all the key decisions that had gone against us the season before.

Can you imagine what the senior refs thought having this fake tanned, English guy show up and start berating them. I genuinely think the refs have been out to get us worse than normal this season, likely due to their meeting with Kensall not going well.

I hope he does it again, the other option is to say nothing and just sweep this bollox under the carpet.

[Since452]

We all know Scottish football is a backwards, insular, closed shop.

We also know that at the start of the season Kensall had a meeting with the referee chiefs, complaining about all the key decisions that had gone against us the season before.

Can you imagine what the senior refs thought having this fake tanned, English guy show up and start berating them. I genuinely think the refs have been out to get us worse than normal this season, likely due to their meeting with Kensall not going well.

Im not a fan of him. We've been a disaster on the football front under his watch but that's a case of he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. He did the right thing in trying to stick up for us. He'd have been criticised for not doing so if he didn't.

[ScottB]

Given Aberdeen have now also very publicly called out the decisions they’ve faced, that’s going to be quite a few clubs the refs will be out to get next year…

[Spudster]

𝗔 𝗠𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗮𝗴𝗲 𝗙𝗿𝗼𝗺 𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗕𝗼𝗮𝗿𝗱 𝗢𝗳 𝗗𝗶𝗿𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗼𝗿𝘀

Like all Hibs supporters, we believe that a Club with our stature should, as an absolute minimum, finish in the top six. Ending the season in the bottom six is simply unacceptable.

In the aftermath of Saturday’s draw with Motherwell, we came together to understand what happened this season and what are the necessary steps to move the Club forward.

With that in mind, we will conduct a full review of the Club’s football structure in conjunction with Black Knight Football Club. The review will be a comprehensive evaluation of the entire football operation to ensure we perform at the highest level.

We have also held detailed discussions with Nick Montgomery to understand what has gone wrong during the current campaign and mutually agreed that results this season have been disappointing. There’s an understanding that results need to improve.

Considerable progress has been made at the Club off the pitch over the last 12 months. That being said, we want to assure supporters that on-pitch progress and performance are at the forefront of our minds. We understand that this needs to be addressed urgently and the experience provided by our new partner, Black Knight Football Club, will help us improve in all areas.

Lastly, we would like to thank every single one of you for your support through this incredibly challenging campaign. Your backing has been unwavering, and the Club is extremely grateful. We will continue to work tirelessly to deliver results our supporters can be proud of.

[Jones28]

That’s not exactly backing NM is it?

Reads like a final warning.

[JohnM1875]

That’s not exactly backing NM is it?

Reads like a final warning.

It is a bit weird on the NM front, and improve when? The bottom six? League cup campaign? First five games next season?

[Bob Box Fish]

Reads like he’s not getting sacked now but if we have a poor run in to the end of the season he’s at high risk .

[Heisenberg]

It is a bit weird on the NM front, and improve when? The bottom six? League cup campaign? First five games next season?

I’d guess he’s also going to be under review as part of the football structure so could still go? But it reads like he’s getting the bottom six games to show what he’s got, which wouldn’t make sense to me.

[H18 SFR]

Reads to me like they are sticking with NM because they sacked Ross, Maloney and Johnson for being pish with no real improvement whilst acknowledging Monty has been as pish, if not pisher.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Don’t think anyone could say with any degree of certainty what to take from that on the Montgomery front.

Disappointed it’s not announcing his departure but glad it doesn’t say we’re sticking wit him either.

[Blaster]

Don’t think anyone could say with any degree of certainty what to take from that on the Montgomery front.

Disappointed it’s not announcing his departure but glad it doesn’t say we’re sticking wit him either.

5 games to save his job is what I take from it

[Paulie Walnuts]

5 games to save his job is what I take from it

🙏🏻