Simon Murray

[gbhibby]

Why did we let him go?

[MWHIBBIES]

To sign Kamberi, Maclaren and Allan.

He was decent but first touch was horrid at times. Games could pass him by. Had a good season, though.

[Bridge hibs]

Hope Stevie Clarke is watching him

[Exuberance1875]

Could do a lot worse than have him back, would walk in to this current squad.

[BILLYHIBS]

Loves a goal against the Hearts

His goal celebrations are like ma pus yesterday at full time :greengrin

[Exuberance1875]

To sign Kamberi, Maclaren and Allan.

He was decent but first touch was horrid at times. Games could pass him by. Had a good season, though.

29 games 14 goals for us, not many strikers would turn their nose up at a return like that.

[Kojock]

Why did we let him go?

Because he bit my finger so.

[gbhibby]

To sign Kamberi, Maclaren and Allan.

He was decent but first touch was horrid at times. Games could pass him by. Had a good season, though.
His first touch was miles better than Kamberi, and work rate is better than any we have had since.

[Paulie Walnuts]

29 games 14 goals for us, not many strikers would turn their nose up at a return like that.

Sure a barrel load of them were in the league cup groups, he’s done the same this season.

Edit: that wasn’t meant to sound like a criticism, more just an observation. Seems to love that competition.

[blackpoolhibs]

Because he bit my finger so.
:faf:

[Smartie]

He’s a good player, has always been a nuisance.

I’d definitely have space for him in a Hibs squad. It probably wasn’t a bad idea to go out on loan when he did but it was probably a mistake to let him go permanently.

[Winston Ingram]

I’d take him back in a heart beat

[Exuberance1875]

Sure a barrel load of them were in the league cup groups, he’s done the same this season.

Edit: that wasn’t meant to sound like a criticism, more just an observation. Seems to love that competition.

Nah I get you, although handy to have given our last performance in the group stages of that cup 😂

[MWHIBBIES]

His first touch was miles better than Kamberi, and work rate is better than any we have had since.

It wasn't. Kamberis first 6 months was a higher level than Murray has reached in his career.

[gbhibby]

It wasn't. Kamberis first 6 months was a higher level than Murray has reached in his career.

20 goals in 67 games🤔

[Greensunshine]

He’s an absolute nightmare for defenders. Got goals in him, always liked him.

He’s had a really good season.

[wookie70]

Exactly the type of player we need. Not got a fancy enough surname for half our support and doesn't try something that gives the ball away 90% of the time he has possession. Not our type of player

[Liam978]

Nah I get you, although handy to have given our last performance in the group stages of that cup 😂

Definetly always been a Hibs thing, players before they come to us then after they leave always seem to look better. Murray been outstanding of late, as has Kevin Dabrowski, who was man of the match again yesterday.

[Pretty Boy]

I'd bring him back just because of the genius that was the poem he posted on Instagram when announcing his missus was pregnant.

[Exuberance1875]

Hopefully this score continues, would rather county stay up and St Johnstone go down

[MWHIBBIES]

20 goals in 67 games🤔

Again, his loan spell here is what I'm discussing. He was probably the best striker in the league for that period.

[gbhibby]

Again, his loan spell here is what I'm discussing. He was probably the best striker in the league for that period.
That includes his loan spell.Kamberis first touch went further than most players can pass the ball.

[Exuberance1875]

Again, his loan spell here is what I'm discussing. He was probably the best striker in the league for that period.

He wasn’t better than Morelos or Edouard for starters

[Dashing Bob S]

Exactly the type of player we need. Not got a fancy enough surname for half our support and doesn't try something that gives the ball away 90% of the time he has possession. Not our type of player


Nonsense. He had the 'girl's like boys' song which was bit cult and based on little other than his surname.

Nobody sang 'girls don't like boys, girls like Kamenberi, Rix likes kids who've still to pop their cherry...'

[O'Rourke3]

He had a good record versus Hearts but many many games passed him by. Was sorry to see him go but the alternatives at the time were on fire.

[Northernhibee]

Would have offered considerably more than Vente for a fraction of the cost.

[Gloucester Hibs]

He had a good record versus Hearts but many many games passed him by. Was sorry to see him go but the alternatives at the time were on fire.

I can mind him scoring a raker at Hamilton then not long after losing his place to Oli Shaw which seemed unfair at the time and even more so with hindsight. Obviously the combination of Kamberi and McLaren who came in in January were an improvement on Murray and Stokes, but Murray would've been a good guy to keep on the books.

[MWHIBBIES]

He wasn’t better than Morelos or Edouard for starters

Overall, of course not. For that period, he was as good if not better.


That includes his loan spell.Kamberis first touch went further than most players can pass the ball.

It didn't, no.

[CMac1988]

Seemed a daft decision at the time and still is. Having a great season now and is an absolute workhorse.

[MWHIBBIES]

Seemed a daft decision at the time and still is. Having a great season now and is an absolute workhorse.

Did it seem daft when we had a record breaking second half of the season?

He had a good start, but Lennon put Shaw on before him in the last few months.

[gbhibby]

Overall, of course not. For that period, he was as good if not better.



It didn't, no.
9 goals in 14 loan spell 11 in 53 when he signed. Kamberi had a stinking attitude and a stinking first touch

[hibee-boys]

Fair play to him, 18 goals playing for County is a fantastic return. When did a Hibs striker last get near that total for the season🤔 He deserves to get a contract at a bigger club.

[MWHIBBIES]

9 goals in 14 loan spell 11 in 53 when he signed. Kamberi had a stinking attitude and a stinking first touch

He didn't have a bad first touch during that 6 months. He was a brilliant, complete playing during that spell.

[WeeRussell]

Fair play to him, 18 goals playing for County is a fantastic return. When did a Hibs striker last get near that total for the season🤔 He deserves to get a contract at a bigger club.

Nisbet I would think

[gbhibby]

He didn't have a bad first touch during that 6 months. He was a brilliant, complete playing during that spell.
You must have been watching different games.

[CMac1988]

Did it seem daft when we had a record breaking second half of the season?

He had a good start, but Lennon put Shaw on before him in the last few months.

Don't see why he had to go to make way for others. Oli Shaw was *****. I agree that second half of the season was great and was arguably the most buzzing I've ever been as a Hibs supporter heading to Easter Road with a confidence I've never had. With that it's hard to argue the need to keep him but I can't imagine he was on an astronomical wage that meant he was the difference in getting other players in.

[where'stheslope]

I see a big difference in Murray, he seems to be faster and more bulked as I remember him at Easter Road.
His never stop attitude would be a bonus for us at the moment, our midfield could take a leaf out his book.

[MWHIBBIES]

Don't see why he had to go to make way for others. Oli Shaw was *****. I agree that second half of the season was great and was arguably the most buzzing I've ever been as a Hibs supporter heading to Easter Road with a confidence I've never had. With that it's hard to argue the need to keep him but I can't imagine he was on an astronomical wage that meant he was the difference in getting other players in.

Because we got a fee for him, that helped bring in better players. Oli Shaw wasn't bad, he was basically making his first few appearances. Scored some vital goals that season.

[JimBHibees]

His work rate and attitude puts pretty much everyone of our players to shame

[Smartie]

You must have been watching different games.

I agree with him fwiw.

Loan player Kamberi was deadly and competent. There was a reason we pushed the boat out to sign him permanently.

Permanent signing Kamberi was a diddy with a terrible attitude and it was painful watching the ball bouncing off him constantly

[Glory Lurker]

I'd take his dad back and all at the moment.

[Pretty Boy]

I agree with him fwiw.

Loan player Kamberi was deadly and competent. There was a reason we pushed the boat out to sign him permanently.

Permanent signing Kamberi was a diddy with a terrible attitude and it was painful watching the ball bouncing off him constantly

Even permanent Kamberi showed flashes.

The game Doidge scored the hat trick at McDiarmid he was almost unplayable. Had a hand in all 3 goals and ran the channels brilliantly.

He suffered massively from Lennon's flat out refusal to play 2 up top the season we signed him and MacLaren permanently. There was one game he threw them both on for the last 15 minutes and it was like turning the clock back 6 months.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Not the most gifted player ever, but when he left the field today he had absolutely ran himself into the ground. That's an attitude and a commitment that we have been lacking this season. No point in being a world beater if you CBA.

[The Harp Awakes]

Don't see why he had to go to make way for others. Oli Shaw was *****. I agree that second half of the season was great and was arguably the most buzzing I've ever been as a Hibs supporter heading to Easter Road with a confidence I've never had. With that it's hard to argue the need to keep him but I can't imagine he was on an astronomical wage that meant he was the difference in getting other players in.

Steady on now. We were told by a previous leader that Oli Shaw was the best young player in Europe:rolleyes:

[TrinityHFC]

Seemed a daft decision at the time and still is. Having a great season now and is an absolute workhorse.

I can see why we made some changes at the time and it we’ve well for us initially but I’ve always felt we should have held on to him. Would have been an important part of the squad and a great asset to have from the bench even if he wasn’t always starting.

[tonyrougier123]

A player that should have been retained without a doubt.
When stokes came in permanently that season wasn’t the same player.

[tonyrougier123]

Sure a barrel load of them were in the league cup groups, he’s done the same this season.

Edit: that wasn’t meant to sound like a criticism, more just an observation. Seems to love that competition.

We will need him for that again then eh?

[1van Sprou7e]

A player that should have been retained without a doubt.
When stokes came in permanently that season wasn’t the same player.

What do you mean by the Stokes bit? The pair of them both joined and left the club around the same time as each other

[Hibiza]

Simon always gave us all , everyone
. Well done Sur .

[tonyrougier123]

9 goals in 14 loan spell 11 in 53 when he signed. Kamberi had a stinking attitude and a stinking first touch

I’d take a grafter over a kamberi any day. Initially I had no argument but in my head I still felt Murray offered the team more 🤷*♂️

[Hibiza]

Simon always gave his all , every time
. Well done Sur .

[tonyrougier123]

What do you mean by the Stokes bit? The pair of them both joined and left the club around the same time as each other

I’m no sure tbh,I felt his demeanour changed and his style a bit. Not sure if stokes was a positive or not for Murray together in the team. I just felt his game suffered slightly from there.

[MWHIBBIES]

Steady on now. We were told by a previous leader that Oli Shaw was the best young player in Europe:rolleyes:

She never said that tbh. She said, in terms of goals to minutes, he was one of the best young players in Europe, which in that one very specific category, he was at the time.

I'd kill to have her back now. Wonderful CEO for this club.

[Keith_M]

I was a bit disappointed when Murray left Hibs, but it's difficult to say whether or not that was a good decision at the time.

I think you need to take into account both how much Murray has improved since he left, and how much our standard of players has regressed.

[Tricla]

Because he bit my finger so.

😂

[BILLYHIBS]

Fav Simon Murray goal for me two minutes in Hibs v Hearts Simon Murray on the edge of the box nutmegs Soapy Souttar and hammers the ball into the roof of the net just as I was taking my seat :greengrin

Girls don’t like boys girls like Simon Murray


:flag:

[Criswell]

Definitely a player who has raised his performance levels this season. Shows great attitude. I would be surprised if a bigger club didn't come in and try to sign him.

[green day]

She never said that tbh. She said, in terms of goals to minutes, he was one of the best young players in Europe, which in that one very specific category, he was at the time.

I'd kill to have her back now. Wonderful CEO for this club.

That really depends on what the metric of success for a CEO is.

She was very personable and definitely a people person.

However there were aspects of her job where its clear that she didnt deliver.

[cocopops1875]

29 games 14 goals for us, not many strikers would turn their nose up at a return like that.

In the league for us 1 goal per 3.75 matches or there abouts. I’d probably turn my nose up at that.

For context he was 1 goal per 245 mins on the pitch for us and ALF is 1 per 163 mins

[Pretty Boy]

That really depends on what the metric of success for a CEO is.

She was very personable and definitely a people person.

However there were aspects of her job where its clear that she didnt deliver.

She delivered where it matters for most fans.

Took over the day after we were relegated and left us promoted, with a Scottish Cup in the cabinet, 2 top 6 finishes and a manager and squad on course for a 3rd place finish which they ultimately achieved.

[Just_Jimmy]

That really depends on what the metric of success for a CEO is.

She was very personable and definitely a people person.

However there were aspects of her job where its clear that she didnt deliver.She delivered a hibs team that won on the park.

That's a success.

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[SHODAN]

I wouldn't say no to signing him again.

[.Sean.]

I can see him signing for Hearts. He’s the type of signing they have already made for next season.


I really liked him at Hibs, massive goals for us against Hearts and at Ibrox.

[Mcbizz1998]

This will be another signing our support as a whole say we are too good to make, then he will sign for Hearts or Aberdeen and we will all complain we didn't sign after he scores 20 goals next season.

[jacomo]

This will be another signing our support as a whole say we are too good to make, then he will sign for Hearts or Aberdeen and we will all complain we didn't sign after he scores 20 goals next season.


:faf: yeah ok.

Simon Murray just isn’t a very good footballer. Great attitude, though.

[MrSmith]

:faf: yeah ok.

Simon Murray just isn’t a very good footballer. Great attitude, though.

Been crying out for a bit of attitude though.

[Centre Hawf]

Simon Murray is having a good season. But lets not pretend he's spent the last 5 years doing it at the Premiership level still. He dropped to the lower divisions to earn decent money above where he was at with Queens Park and while he was decent he wasn't outstanding until they reached the Championship and County took a punt on him again.

I like the guy but I'm not sure its one I'd be looking at for a second go.

[Hibernian Verse]

This will be another signing our support as a whole say we are too good to make, then he will sign for Hearts or Aberdeen and we will all complain we didn't sign after he scores 20 goals next season.

That's some leap

[BILLYHIBS]

Ideal replacement for Shankland at Tiny

Get him signed pretty sure he is a Hibby thanks to his old man

Will give us pace energy and a goal threat in the final third

[MWHIBBIES]

Been crying out for a bit of attitude though.

No, we've been crying out for good footballers.

[McGruber]

You get more in Scottish Football sometimes spending £5K on a Simon Murray rather than £700K on a Dylan Vente.
Hopefully recruitment team start finding us players that suit the game here.
Best football player between Simon Murray, Christian Doidge or Dylan Vente? Vente, obviously - no contest.
Most impactful in Scottish football? Not sure that is the same answer.

Depends on the team, the set up and a host of other factors but the footballing ability of prospective new signings need to be matched to character, mentality and and a certain level of robustness.

(not sure if robustness is a word)

[Hiber-nation]

Started off way better than anyone imagined but within 4 months his form dropped spectacularly and he never got the chance to show us what he could do in the next season. He's obviously a better footballer now but no matter how good he is the current regime will have no interest in players like him.

[Mcbizz1998]

That's some leap

Not really - the guy has scored 11 league goals (4 assists) this season for Ross County with 5 games to go. That's the same amount as Kyogo, and he has played 1 game less! He also got 6 in the league cup, 17 goals in all comps.

It's not mental to say he could score 20 for Hearts or Aberdeen if they were competing for 3rd place and he plays regularly.

[Scouse Hibee]

Not a chance, we want to move forward not backwards, been there done that…………………next

[WhileTheChief..]

This will be another signing our support as a whole say we are too good to make, then he will sign for Hearts or Aberdeen and we will all complain we didn't sign after he scores 20 goals next season.

Eh? A lot of posters are saying they'd have him back. Nobody is saying what you think they are saying!

[Hillsidehibby]

Jings. 3 pages on signing Simon Murray. How desperate are we?

[Stevie Reid]

Murray was a good player for us previously, and would certainly be a useful addition to our squad again, if that were an option.

[CapitalGreen]

Paul Heffernan scored a decent amount of goals in his early 30s before we signed him too.

[Mcbizz1998]

Eh? A lot of posters are saying they'd have him back. Nobody is saying what you think they are saying!

Just read the thread before posting next time mate. Plenty people against the suggestion of signing him. So that’s isn’t ‘nobody’ is it?

[WeeRussell]

Ideal replacement for Shankland at Tiny

I’d be quite comfortable with that.

[jacomo]

You get more in Scottish Football sometimes spending £5K on a Simon Murray rather than £700K on a Dylan Vente.
Hopefully recruitment team start finding us players that suit the game here.
Best football player between Simon Murray, Christian Doidge or Dylan Vente? Vente, obviously - no contest.
Most impactful in Scottish football? Not sure that is the same answer.

Depends on the team, the set up and a host of other factors but the footballing ability of prospective new signings need to be matched to character, mentality and and a certain level of robustness.

(not sure if robustness is a word)


I take your point, and reckon (without looking it up) that robustness is just fine.

Really it’s about building a good team though, with players that understand and complement each other.

[cocopops1875]

Not really - the guy has scored 11 league goals (4 assists) this season for Ross County with 5 games to go. That's the same amount as Kyogo, and he has played 1 game less! He also got 6 in the league cup, 17 goals in all comps.

It's not mental to say he could score 20 for Hearts or Aberdeen if they were competing for 3rd place and he plays regularly.

League form is worse than ALFs if you like yer stats

[McSwanky]

Murray isn't a Montgomery type of player. Runs about too much and looks like he wants to make things happen.

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[Oscar T Grouch]

As we have a thread about an ex Hibs striker. Jason Cummings scored a late goal in a match that secured Mohun Bagan the league title which means Jas has now won 4 league titles in 4 different countries. I'd still have him back in the team, at least when we play hearts!!:greengrin

[eastmainsmsh]

As we have a thread about an ex Hibs striker. Jason Cummings scored a late goal in a match that secured Mohun Bagan the league title which means Jas has now won 4 league titles in 4 different countries. I'd still have him back in the team, at least when we play hearts!!:greengrin

Come home Cumdog and save Monty

[CockneyRebel]

As we have a thread about an ex Hibs striker. Jason Cummings scored a late goal in a match that secured Mohun Bagan the league title which means Jas has now won 4 league titles in 4 different countries. I'd still have him back in the team, at least when we play hearts!!:greengrin


That makes 16 League titles - wow!

[wookie70]

As we have a thread about an ex Hibs striker. Jason Cummings scored a late goal in a match that secured Mohun Bagan the league title which means Jas has now won 4 league titles in 4 different countries. I'd still have him back in the team, at least when we play hearts!!:greengrin
I'd take him back too just to have a player that had a bit of spark. Boyler used to have it too but that is long gone. I always thought JC was underrated by supporters. He was more than just a goal scorer and could pass and involve other well too.

[Oscar T Grouch]

That makes 16 League titles - wow!

27825 You kent what I meant :greengrin

[tonyrougier123]

Murray is hard as nails man,so strong. Neil Lennon really gambled on maclaren and kamberi when emptying stokes and Murray and it payed off. Can say with hand on heart was really gutted about Murray leaving. I’d have him back undoubtedly if it’s on.

[allezsauzee]

Some revisionism going on here. Most people were of the opinion it was a great bit of business to get a transfer fee for him when he left. He's certainly in the form of his life but Dylan Vente will prove himself to be a much better player with a similar work ethic in my opinion.

[Forza Fred]

I'd take him back too just to have a player that had a bit of spark. Boyler used to have it too but that is long gone. I always thought JC was underrated by supporters. He was more than just a goal scorer and could pass and involve other well too.

I’ve kept tabs on Jason since he first came to Oz.

He’s not as prolific in India as he was with the Mariners, and now usually starts on the bench, as he did in the game that won Mohun Bagan the championship the other day.

Highlights are on YouTube.

Scored a good goal though to put them 2-0 up,,,,with his RIGHT foot!

Think there might have been an inkling of him getting punted, but that goal should ensure he gets to finish his 2 year contract…where he is rumoured to be the highest earning player in India.

[MWHIBBIES]

Some revisionism going on here. Most people were of the opinion it was a great bit of business to get a transfer fee for him when he left. He's certainly in the form of his life but Dylan Vente will prove himself to be a much better player with a similar work ethic in my opinion.

Any time Vente wants to start doing that, that would be great.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I always liked him: fast and direct, he made things happen. He’s having a superb season up at County.

[Unseen work]

Any time Vente wants to start doing that, that would be great.

Simon Murray has scored 4 league goals since the middle of March.

Dylan Vente has scored 4 league goals this season.

My issue with Vente is he never looks like scoring or doing something. ALF showed against Livi what a striker should be doing to those sort of teams

[MWHIBBIES]

Simon Murray has scored 4 league goals since the middle of March.

Dylan Vente has scored 4 league goals this season.

My issue with Vente is he never looks like scoring or doing something. ALF showed against Livi what a striker should be doing to those sort of teams

Yep. He's been a major disappointment. ALF is a far better player.

[MrSmith]

No, we've been crying out for good footballers.

Aren’t both mutually exclusive?

[where'stheslope]

Reading on here, it seems that players cannot improve with age?
Murray looks a different player than he was with us.
Take two examples: Paul Hartley with us, then with Hearts!
Jason Cummings with Hearts, then us.
Players can sometimes just fit better to one team than another!!!

[Musselbound]

Murray could be a decent addition to our squad - at the right price.

[easty]

Murray could be a decent addition to our squad - at the right price.

The right price would have to be - free

[Brooster]

Who scouted and signed Vente? Another in a long list of poor signings. Murray is a much better player, scores, assists and bosses defenders.

[easty]

Who scouted and signed Vente? Another in a long list of poor signings. Murray is a much better player, scores, assists and bosses defenders.

I disagree.

2 seasons on the bounce Vente scored a ton of goals in the Dutch second tier. He’s a goalscorer. Create chances for him and he’ll score.

[jacomo]

I disagree.

2 seasons on the bounce Vente scored a ton of goals in the Dutch second tier. He’s a goalscorer. Create chances for him and he’ll score.


:agree:

Vente has struggled in our system, but to say Simon Murray is a better player is nonsense.

He’s had a more effective season though.

[MWHIBBIES]

Who scouted and signed Vente? Another in a long list of poor signings. Murray is a much better player, scores, assists and bosses defenders.

Bosses defenders :faf:

He's a decent player. He's not ****ing Pele. Not much between him and Vente really.

[chrisski33]

I disagree.

2 seasons on the bounce Vente scored a ton of goals in the Dutch second tier. He’s a goalscorer. Create chances for him and he’ll score.

Hes not proven he can score a ton of goals here. The "create chances for him and he'll score" just an excuse, hes had chances and could make his own chances

[Smartie]

Bosses defenders :faf:

He's a decent player. He's not ****ing Pele. Not much between him and Vente really.

Bosses defenders is a bit strong but he has a very high nuisance factor and looks like he'd be more of a nightmare to play against than your average Ross County striker.

[easty]

Hes not proven he can score a ton of goals here. The "create chances for him and he'll score" just an excuse, hes had chances and could make his own chances

Neither had Shankland when he left Dundee Utd after his first season in the SPL.

He got 9 in 38 that season. Vente has 7 in 32 this season.

I’m not implying they’re similar players, but I am saying the way you set up a team absolutely has an effect on how many goals a striker will likely get.

[allezsauzee]

Any time Vente wants to start doing that, that would be great.

I'm sure he will once he's playing in a system where players are creating chances for him rather than him spending a lot of time chasing back in his own half to recover the ball. I don't recall him missing the target with too many chances

[Squealing pig]

Murray would be a good addition

[Since452]

So is he signing or not?

[Donegal Hibby]

I disagree.

2 seasons on the bounce Vente scored a ton of goals in the Dutch second tier. He’s a goalscorer. Create chances for him and he’ll score.

Not to often in the past I've actually agreed with you though I do this time 👍

[Since90+2]

Not to often in the past I've actually agreed with you though I do this time 👍

It would point to the Scottish Premier being significantly stronger than the Dutch second tier, which I am surprised at TBH.

[Brooster]

Bosses defenders :faf:

He's a decent player. He's not ****ing Pele. Not much between him and Vente really.

Glad you find it funny. I was implying that he's very physical and often gets the better of defenders. He's had a better season than Vente thats for sure and didn't cost £750k. Vente has scored about 4 goals including a penalty which is a poor return.

[Donegal Hibby]

It would point to the Scottish Premier being significantly stronger than the Dutch second tier, which I am surprised at TBH.

Maybe a big part of it was down to his previous club creating more chances for him to score as well.

[Since90+2]

Maybe a big part of it was down to his previous club creating more chances for him to score as well.

Possibly, but a great goalscorer will make the most of limited chances.

Shankland as an example, id be surprised if Hearts created significantly more chances than us.

[Donegal Hibby]

Possibly, but a great goalscorer will make the most of limited chances.

Shankland as an example, id be surprised if Hearts created significantly more chances than us.

Yeah I suppose great strikers do though for awhile I didn't think we were actually playing him as a striker

I don't know if hertz do create more chances than us though there was quite a few games this year where we were only averaging 2 or 3 shots on target in games and sometimes less so I don't think we were actually creating many at one point though might be wrong on that .

I see Vente very much as a poacher/ fox in the box kind of striker , get him in the box and provide decent service and I'm convinced the guy would score us goals though .

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Feel for Vente, he’s been written off by loads in our support as he’s been played out of position.

[Since452]

Feel for Vente, he’s been written off by loads in our support as he’s been played out of position.

A better manager would get more out of pretty much every player in our squad.

[BILLYHIBS]

Simon Murray is the sort of signing Hibs used to make He is lively robust knows the league and the type of football needed gets stuck into defences scores goals and why not welcome back the prodigal son with open arms but at 32 and we are now hopefully shopping at Harrods not Dingwall so it’s a no from me but I like him always have

Vente 24 I am not so sure quietly I have been thinking he is a bit of a dud but willing to be swayed otherwise if we can sign a Pep type Manager who can transform him into the prolific goal scorer we all thought we were getting

File beside Marcondes under ‘ Unconvinced ‘

[MWHIBBIES]

Feel for Vente, he’s been written off by loads in our support as he’s been played out of position.

He hasn't been played out of position. He's been played as a striker every time I've seen him. Any good level of football requires the striker to run channels, hold it up and track back, usually into midfield. He has been found wanting when the ball has been played up to him. You only need to look at Le Fondre to see. He offers more threat, better hold up play, link up play and scores more goals. He creates his own chances and chances for others.

[Smartie]

Feel for Vente, he’s been written off by loads in our support as he’s been played out of position.

He was starting to look quite lively prior to his injury too, which came at a bad time just as he was building up a bit of momentum.

[Musselbound]

The right price would have to be - free

Yes or as good as. I don't know what his contract situation is.

[Donegal Hibby]

He hasn't been played out of position. He's been played as a striker every time I've seen him. Any good level of football requires the striker to run channels, hold it up and track back, usually into midfield. He has been found wanting when the ball has been played up to him. You only need to look at Le Fondre to see. He offers more threat, better hold up play, link up play and scores more goals. He creates his own chances and chances for others.

I think he has in fairness , been played as a 10 which isn't his natural positions though needs must as we didn't have anyone else to play there before Marcondes was signed . Been away to deep in games for a poacher and lacked decent service too imo .

Alfie is a different striker to Vente , Ventes a poacher abit like this one from awhile back who was very good given the right service in the box were most of his goals came from . That's were Vente should be playing and provided with decent service as well.
https://youtu.be/LsYcD8W1GrI?si=0DuPh_VD4CxBqeOG

https://youtu.be/kcrNa0ISqJI?si=WI6AcL6jVOSohYl3

[BILLYHIBS]

He hasn't been played out of position. He's been played as a striker every time I've seen him. Any good level of football requires the striker to run channels, hold it up and track back, usually into midfield. He has been found wanting when the ball has been played up to him. You only need to look at Le Fondre to see. He offers more threat, better hold up play, link up play and scores more goals. He creates his own chances and chances for others.

Agree with this did not seem to have the natural predatory instinct to get on the end of things and has never looked like scoring not even close but as someone else posted did look slightly sharper towards the end of his last spell but nowhere near as dangerous or a threat as Alf

Looks a nice tidy neat hard working false nine footballer but we need him to do what he was signed to do Opposition must be happy to see him starting Maolida and Alf are more of a handful

The fact we had to go out and get Maolida tells you all you need to know

Oh as a wee aside what was with not shooting from outside the box ? Seemed to be banned for some reason Anyone that did have a pop seemed to end up in Row ZZ of the upper tier What did they do in training?

[MWHIBBIES]

I think he has in fairness , been played as a 10 which isn't his natural positions though needs must as we didn't have anyone else to play there before Marcondes was signed . Been away to deep in games for a poacher and lacked decent service too imo .

Alfie is a different striker to Vente , Ventes a poacher abit like this one from awhile back who was very good given the right service in the box were most of his goals came from . That's were Vente should be playing and provided with decent service as well.
https://youtu.be/LsYcD8W1GrI?si=0DuPh_VD4CxBqeOG

https://youtu.be/kcrNa0ISqJI?si=WI6AcL6jVOSohYl3

If you play a centre half up front and give him good service, he'll score goals. Vente needs to do more without them being put on a plate. You can't get away with being a poacher in this lone striker society.

[easty]

If you play a centre half up front and give him good service, he'll score goals.

Nah.

[Keith_M]

Simon Murray as our No 9, Ian Murray as Head Coach.

All we need now is David Murray as the CEO and Andy Murray as a Fitness Coach.

[Donegal Hibby]

If you play a centre half up front and give him good service, he'll score goals. Vente needs to do more without them being put on a plate. You can't get away with being a poacher in this lone striker society.

Not really , most centre Half's haven't got the scoring instinct of a striker. Vente has worked as hard as anyone in the team and covered just as much ground .

The fact that he's been played in a deeper more unfamiliar role hasn't helped which I thought was obvious enough.

I don't see why you can't get away with a poacher in your team , Man U , Sevco and other teams have .

Vente is a good striker who's just been played in the wrong position who's confidence probably was affected too .
No doubt he will be back again , good player imo .

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/dylan-vente-opens-up-hibs-28703832

[MWHIBBIES]

Not really , most centre Half's haven't got the scoring instinct of a striker. Vente has worked as hard as anyone in the team and covered just as much ground .

The fact that he's been played in a deeper more unfamiliar role hasn't helped which I thought was obvious enough.

I don't see why you can't get away with a poacher in your team , Man U , Sevco and other teams have .

Vente is a good striker who's just been played in the wrong position who's confidence probably was affected too .
No doubt he will be back again , good player imo .

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/dylan-vente-opens-up-hibs-28703832

When has any decent side played a poacher up front alone recently?

I hope Vente does come good. I think he might. The idea his bad form is everyone else's fault is totally false.

[tonyrougier123]

I think he has in fairness , been played as a 10 which isn't his natural positions though needs must as we didn't have anyone else to play there before Marcondes was signed . Been away to deep in games for a poacher and lacked decent service too imo .

Alfie is a different striker to Vente , Ventes a poacher abit like this one from awhile back who was very good given the right service in the box were most of his goals came from . That's were Vente should be playing and provided with decent service as well.
https://youtu.be/LsYcD8W1GrI?si=0DuPh_VD4CxBqeOG

https://youtu.be/kcrNa0ISqJI?si=WI6AcL6jVOSohYl3

Spot on. I’d like to see 4-1-4-1 with vente the tip of the spear and NWM in for triantis. That formation actually gives a few options to chop and change to manage the games as they come. Just think we started wrong players.

Also maybe give Boyle a free role in the attacking mid 4 so he can link with youan and maolida better.

[Northernhibee]

When has any decent side played a poacher up front alone recently?

I hope Vente does come good. I think he might. The idea his bad form is everyone else's fault is totally false.
Yep. I’m staggered he gets the slack he does whilst the likes of Newell take pelters. Taking transfer fees into account he’s not kicking the arse off a “Worst value Hibs XI” starting place.

Serious question, when did he last score a goal from open play?

[JimBHibees]

Yep. I’m staggered he gets the slack he does whilst the likes of Newell take pelters. Taking transfer fees into account he’s not kicking the arse off a “Worst value Hibs XI” starting place.

Serious question, when did he last score a goal from open play?

My guess is home to Aberdeen when Boyle squared it to him for a tap in

[Springbank]

Someone should tell Myziane that we don't create any chances for our forwards (according to the Vente Apologists, above)

It doesn't help the VA's argument, when Myziane comes in and scores more in a month than Dylan has in a season

For what it's worth, I was excited about Vente up until the St Mirren game in the League Cup (4-2) where him and ALF had a workrate that was making life hard for defenders.

It's like he stopped doing all the good things in his game after that match. He's slowed right up, and his work off the ball dipped remarkably, and the goals stopped.

You don't know what's going on behind the scenes in people's private lives, but he has looked to me like he's been struggling since that cup game

[easty]

Yep. I’m staggered he gets the slack he does whilst the likes of Newell take pelters. Taking transfer fees into account he’s not kicking the arse off a “Worst value Hibs XI” starting place.

Serious question, when did he last score a goal from open play?

He’s not done well enough. I’d no argue otherwise. He just looks a good player to me. Same with Marcondes. They have to take some responsibility for it of course, but I think under a better manager they’d be really useful good players for us.

As for Newell, one of the last players I’d be looking to change in this team.

[Northernhibee]

My guess is home to Aberdeen when Boyle squared it to him for a tap in

That’s December, and that in itself ended a run of nine games or so without a goal.

He’s been an abysmal signing. Very bored of all the excuses made for him, he just doesn’t look like it.

[easty]

Someone should tell Myziane that we don't create any chances for our forwards (according to the Vente Apologists, above)

It doesn't help the VA's argument, when Myziane comes in and scores more in a month than Dylan has in a season

For what it's worth, I was excited about Vente up until the St Mirren game in the League Cup (4-2) where him and ALF had a workrate that was making life hard for defenders.

It's like he stopped doing all the good things in his game after that match. He's slowed right up, and his work off the ball dipped remarkably, and the goals stopped.

You don't know what's going on behind the scenes in people's private lives, but he has looked to me like he's been struggling since that cup game

Do you see Myziane and Vente as similar types of player?

Signed, A Vente Apologist

[Donegal Hibby]

When has any decent side played a poacher up front alone recently?

I hope Vente does come good. I think he might. The idea his bad form is everyone else's fault is totally false.

Billy McKay at Inverness has been doing it for years , Jamie McLaren another out in Australia also though wither you would class their teams as decent is debatable .

Always thought this guy has a poachers instinct about him too when you see where alot of his goals are scored from ...
https://youtu.be/CDtF2EUean0?si=bNYTxRGJhWeZbhQx

[jeffers]

He’s not done well enough. I’d no argue otherwise. He just looks a good player to me. Same with Marcondes. They have to take some responsibility for it of course, but I think under a better manager they’d be really useful good players for us.

As for Newell, one of the last players I’d be looking to change in this team.

I think Vente is a good player. What isn’t is a midfielder. Of course he’ll be another with a bad attitude who isn’t following instructions. :rolleyes:

[JohnM1875]

I think Vente is a good player. What isn’t is a midfielder. Of course he’ll be another with a bad attitude who isn’t following instructions. :rolleyes:

Think there's a player in Vente as well. Just wish he was a tiny bit quicker.

Wonder if Montgomery asked Cummings to track back and drop deep when he was CCM manager, surely not? So no idea why he expects Vente to be doing it.

[jacomo]

When has any decent side played a poacher up front alone recently?

I hope Vente does come good. I think he might. The idea his bad form is everyone else's fault is totally false.


Erling Haaland?

All he does is score goals - normally, a barrel load of them.

[The Modfather]

Erling Haaland?

All he does is score goals - normally, a barrel load of them.

Has it not been questioned recently if that’s enough at the elite level? Didn’t score in either leg against Madrid and sure I saw a stat that over the two legs he lost the ball more times than he made successful passes.

[easty]

Has it not been questioned recently if that’s enough at the elite level? Didn’t score in either leg against Madrid and sure I saw a stat that over the two legs he lost the ball more times than he made successful passes.

61 goals in 61 games last season to go with his treble.

“Only” 34 in 45 this season.

Anyone who thinks Haaland doesn’t do enough is mental in my opinion

[MWHIBBIES]

Erling Haaland?

All he does is score goals - normally, a barrel load of them.

Haaland is maybe as close as it gets, but he is quicker, stronger, better in the air, and utterly deadly when given a chance. Man City also pair him with Alvarez at times, who is a top class footballer and links up brilliant.


Billy McKay at Inverness has been doing it for years , Jamie McLaren another out in Australia also though wither you would class their teams as decent is debatable .

Always thought this guy has a poachers instinct about him too when you see where alot of his goals are scored from ...
https://youtu.be/CDtF2EUean0?si=bNYTxRGJhWeZbhQx

You really went with billy mckay? When have inverness been decent? 9 years ago?

[CentreLine]

Simon Murray as our No 9, Ian Murray as Head Coach.

All we need now is David Murray as the CEO and Andy Murray as a Fitness Coach.

David. Ian. Simon
Murray, International, mental.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

He hasn't been played out of position. He's been played as a striker every time I've seen him. Any good level of football requires the striker to run channels, hold it up and track back, usually into midfield. He has been found wanting when the ball has been played up to him. You only need to look at Le Fondre to see. He offers more threat, better hold up play, link up play and scores more goals. He creates his own chances and chances for others.

He was playing to instruction, not playing off the shoulder of defenders, dropping deep with usually Boyle or Youan tasked to run in behind. You’ll know better though. Obviously missed the Celtic match where he man marked McGregor.

[Northernhibee]

We’re simply not good enough in almost any other area of the pitch to have a striker who only hangs about up front and just looks to score goals.

We’re definitely not good enough to have a striker who looks to hang about up front and just score goals who isn’t of standard of this level.

[Since90+2]

Has it not been questioned recently if that’s enough at the elite level? Didn’t score in either leg against Madrid and sure I saw a stat that over the two legs he lost the ball more times than he made successful passes.

Man City won the treble last season, he contributed a massive amount of goals. If that's not elite level don't know what is.

[MWHIBBIES]

He was playing to instruction, not playing off the shoulder of defenders, dropping deep with usually Boyle or Youan tasked to run in behind. You’ll know better though. Obviously missed the Celtic match where he man marked McGregor.

I'm not saying I know better. He was still playing as a striker. Very normal for a striker to put pressure on oppositions deepest midfielder.

None of this excuses his lack of basic control, hold up play, decent positioning when he was in the box. Again, just look at what ALF offers.

[Keith_M]

Man City won the treble last season, he contributed a massive amount of goals. If that's not elite level don't know what is.


:agree:


As pointed out already, he scored 52 goals in total and won the English Premier League, the FA Cup and the Champions League.

How much more 'elite' could you get?

[The Modfather]

Man City won the treble last season, he contributed a massive amount of goals. If that's not elite level don't know what is.

It’s not my argument, I was just pointing out recently there’s been debate about Hallands all round game. Probably stemming from the Madrid game stat.

[BS44]

I'm not saying I know better. He was still playing as a striker. Very normal for a striker to put pressure on oppositions deepest midfielder.

None of this excuses his lack of basic control, hold up play, decent positioning when he was in the box. Again, just look at what ALF offers.

Think his general play is very good, two footed as well unlike some of his team mates. The game at Tynecastle he could have scored twice but only their good defending that night stopped him, the second a smashing back heel that luckilyfor them went straight at the defender on the line. Made a big difference when he had the new signings playing alongside him and we started making opportunities to score goals again

[jacomo]

It’s not my argument, I was just pointing out recently there’s been debate about Hallands all round game. Probably stemming from the Madrid game stat.


Well ok, but really my point is that he plays very much like an old school no9 (albeit a very, very good one) and doesn’t contribute much in terms of build up or defensive play etc

Football tactics all ever evolving, especially at the very top of the game. At some point someone will ‘reinvent’ the very old W-M formation and be hailed as a tactical genius!

[Glory Lurker]

:agree:


As pointed out already, he scored 52 goals in total and won the English Premier League, the FA Cup and the Champions League.

How much more 'elite' could you get?

Haven't been on this thread for a few days and just went straight to last post (which was this at the time). Fair to say I was awfy confused for a second or two 🤣

[CockneyRebel]

Why did we let him go?


Cos he bit my finger so!

[Stuart93]

Cos he bit my finger so!

Hahaha

Liked that

[Donegal Hibby]

You really went with billy mckay? When have inverness been decent? 9 years ago?

Just another striker that scores most of his goals in the box like McLaren though club wise probably not the best examples .

Probably Haaland , Morata , Harry kane maybe ? , and up until a couple of years ago Jan Huntelaar all strikers that score their fair share of goals in around the box cause they have a poachers instinct.

Ventes a penalty box striker and not a number 10 . As the other poster said he done a good job on McGregor in a game even if it's wasn't his natural position .

[MWHIBBIES]

Just another striker that scores most of his goals in the box like McLaren though club wise probably not the best examples .

Probably Haaland , Morata , Harry kane maybe ? , and up until a couple of years ago Jan Huntelaar all strikers that score their fair share of goals in around the box cause they have a poachers instinct.

Ventes a penalty box striker and not a number 10 . As the other poster said he done a good job on McGregor in a game even if it's wasn't his natural position .

Harry kane is one of the most complete forwards I've ever seen. Morata is also a good all round player.

There is a difference between scoring goals in the box and being a poacher. I agree, Vente is good in the box. He's certainly a good finisher, but games pass him by imo. We need way more from him. I'm not writing him off.

[Paul1642]

When Vente first joined there was a stage where every time he touched the ball he seemed to score.

Strikers are a confidence powered breed at times and I still feel like Vente getting a handful of goals Vs the bottom 6 could set him up for a good 24/25 season. Definitely not ready to write him off yet.

[Allant1981]

When Vente first joined there was a stage where every time he touched the ball he seemed to score.

Strikers are a confidence powered breed at times and I still feel like Vente getting a handful of goals Vs the bottom 6 could set him up for a good 24/25 season. Definitely not ready to write him off yet.

Vente could come in now and score 3 goals a game and someone would be on here saying he only scored them because it was against the lower placed teams and why didn't he do it more often

[Baldy Foghorn]

When Vente first joined there was a stage where every time he touched the ball he seemed to score.

Strikers are a confidence powered breed at times and I still feel like Vente getting a handful of goals Vs the bottom 6 could set him up for a good 24/25 season. Definitely not ready to write him off yet.

I like Vente, a goalscorer. However played wrongly by NM

[Keyser Sauzee]

I like Vente and think he’ll become a good player for us but he has been disappointing overall this season. I hadn’t thought about it before but the comparison with Shanklands season in the prem with United is something to keep in mind, maybe Vente needs a little more time to show what he can do.

[Skol]

I like Vente, a goalscorer. However played wrongly by NM

I agree with this. Monty seemed to see him more in the role marcondes is now playing. This I think is why we saw the line up as 4-4-2 which it wasn’t really, or not at all times switching between 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3 and 4-4-2.

[jacomo]

Vente could come in now and score 3 goals a game and someone would be on here saying he only scored them because it was against the lower placed teams and why didn't he do it more often


It’s valid to ask why he hasn’t scored more goals this season.

Like others, I think NM has to take some responsibility for not getting the best out of him.

[easty]

It’s valid to ask why he hasn’t scored more goals this season.

Like others, I think NM has to take some responsibility for not getting the best out of him.

Absolutely its valid.

Vente is prob as disappointed as anyone. 21 league goals last season, 25 the season before. He’ll not see this season as one that’s gone well for him.

[Jones28]

Simon Murray as our No 9, Ian Murray as Head Coach.

All we need now is David Murray as the CEO and Andy Murray as a Fitness Coach.

We could relocate to Murrayfield.

[B.H.F.C]

It’s valid to ask why he hasn’t scored more goals this season.

Like others, I think NM has to take some responsibility for not getting the best out of him.

There was a period where he wasn’t used properly but he could have still offered more in that time IMO.

I think the price tag has enhanced his abilities in peoples minds. I know the Scottish Premiership isn’t La Liga or the Premier League but it’s harder to score goals here than it is in the Dutch second division, I think it’s overlooked where he’s come from both in terms of standard and the fact that the style is completely different.

I think there is something there to work with but he’s going to need to do a hell of a lot more if he’s to be our centre forward next year for me.

[Northernhibee]

We could relocate to Murrayfield.

That’s a mint idea.

[Allant1981]

It’s valid to ask why he hasn’t scored more goals this season.

Like others, I think NM has to take some responsibility for not getting the best out of him.

Of course it is but you also need to play to players strengths, he was more of a midfielder than our midfield at times this season, get him fit and playing in the shape we are now and see how he gets on. He clearly has something so it's up to the coaching staff to get the best out of him

[WeeRussell]

That’s a mint idea.

Here come the pun drops.

[Hibbyradge]

That’s a mint idea.

It would be all very well having a nice big stadium but no point if the manager can't get the tictacs right.

[Eyrie]

It would be all very well having a nice big stadium but no point if the manager can't get the tictacs right.

As evidenced by Montgomery being hopoloss.