Who wants Monty to stay? And why?

[6-2MAGIC]

Title says it all really… who wants Monty to stay and what’s your reasons why? Genuinely interested to hear people’s views. For what it is worth, I don’t want him to stay and see no reason as to why he should stay after yesterday. That was the nail in the coffin which already should’ve been nailed a long time ago imo.

Really don’t have the energy to go into facts about it all but it’s been stated on here already about the wins we have had under him in the games he has managed us.

[Bostonhibby]

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[MWHIBBIES]

I don't really care either way. Idiots in charge won't hire any better.

[LithgaeHibby]

Michael Stewart.

[Winston Ingram]

Hearts supporters

[Unseen work]

I’m really in two minds.

One minute I want him to stay - He’s got an idea how he wants to play and when it comes off it’s good. However I’ve been thinking is the reason it’s coming off now just because he’s got better players such as Myziane?

A huge concern for me is that me keep him on and don’t keep Myziane (no chance he’ll stay) and we’re back to Tavares or similar on the left.

There’s always the “what if” we sign a good centre back or two. We do seem to limit other teams to little opportunities now but for whatever reason they’re all going in.

Do we use the ‘stats’ and replace Marshall and the two centre halves and hope the tide turns. Another thing we need is a centre forward that can score, Vente has about 5 league goals.

Then I think I wonder what hearts, Aberdeen etc are thinking. They’ll all be desperate for Monty to stay.

[Biffo]

I do.

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I feel that he's in a great position to revamp this squad and make it his own.

He played half a season with another managers squad and should be given more time to get together his own players.

There's no doubt going to be a big turnover in players in/out and given the recruitment that was done in Jan, I'm excited to see what happens over the summer.

I do think someone from the club should be coming out and saying he's here long term or he's not.

If they are going to replace him, they need to act now.

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[andyf5]

I do.

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I feel that he's in a great position to revamp this squad and make it his own.

He played half a season with another managers squad and should be given more time to get together his own players.

There's no doubt going to be a big turnover in players in/out and given the recruitment that was done in Jan, I'm excited to see what happens over the summer.

I do think someone from the club should be coming out and saying he's here long term or he's not.

If they are going to replace him, they need to act now.

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It's the job of the manager to get the best out of the players. He accepted the job knowing he had capable players that LJ did better with. I think he needs replaced.

[Northernhibee]

I do.

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I feel that he's in a great position to revamp this squad and make it his own.

He played half a season with another managers squad and should be given more time to get together his own players.

There's no doubt going to be a big turnover in players in/out and given the recruitment that was done in Jan, I'm excited to see what happens over the summer.

I do think someone from the club should be coming out and saying he's here long term or he's not.

If they are going to replace him, they need to act now.

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I’m in the same boat as you for similar reasons.

[Skol]

I’m in the same boat as you for similar reasons.

This is also where I am. I accept there have been issues but it’s not as bad as many on here would have you believe.

[Dashing Bob S]

I wanted him to stay but I've changed my mind and it's been nothing to do with results.

There were so many people on here with a deep insinctive knowledge for the game who knew he would be no good. I feel massively ashamed for ever doubting them, and humbled to say they were right all along and will never question their judgement on footballing matters again.

They way I see it now is that we're dammed if we do dammed if we don't. I sincerely doubt that with our track record of binning managers anyone who'll give us the quick and sustained improvement (ie; McInnes) will go anywhere near this club.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

I'm open to him staying. In the sense that he will have a full pre season and summer window to sign the players he wants. That's probably only based on the fact that he managed to deliver success in Australia.

There's been periods of good football. We went to tiny and generally controlled the game so there has been spells or sightings of how he can have us playing good attacking and aggressive football but not nearly enough

As a poster says above, if he's going I'd like the club to action that today or tomorrow. They will have a fair idea now whether he's who they see implementing the huge summer rebuild and 5 games against bottom 6 clubs shouldn't change things too much in that sense

Hibs eh? Love and hate them in equal measures at times. But they're our club. And we'll persevere

[JimBHibees]

I do.

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I feel that he's in a great position to revamp this squad and make it his own.

He played half a season with another managers squad and should be given more time to get together his own players.

There's no doubt going to be a big turnover in players in/out and given the recruitment that was done in Jan, I'm excited to see what happens over the summer.

I do think someone from the club should be coming out and saying he's here long term or he's not.

If they are going to replace him, they need to act now.

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Kind of where i am. Would like to see him given the chance to revamp the squad and have a full preseason. Think substantial investment in defence and goalie and midfield and we would be decent. Think times you need to step back review and a wee bit of patience rather than ripping it up and starting again. Realise others have different opinions.

[DIXIHIBS]

I do.

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I feel that he's in a great position to revamp this squad and make it his own.

He played half a season with another managers squad and should be given more time to get together his own players.

There's no doubt going to be a big turnover in players in/out and given the recruitment that was done in Jan, I'm excited to see what happens over the summer.

I do think someone from the club should be coming out and saying he's here long term or he's not.

If they are going to replace him, they need to act now.

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Are you who I think you are?

[Greensunshine]

An argument for keeping him? He’s not had enough time, he’s had to use another managers players etc etc

Why should he go? Well he should never have been given the job in the first place. A massive gamble bringing someone half way around the world who doesn’t know this league.
It stinks of “the next Postacoglu” and the people charged with bringing him having delusions of grandeur.

This club is bang in trouble because of those same people who have sold our club down the river.

We now can’t have any kind of stability in our squad going forward because we’re expected to play loan players.

I look over the road to see our neighbours doing things properly. Buying up good quality players from opposition clubs both strengthening with players who’ll hit the ground running because they know this league and whilst doing so weakening the opposition by taking their best players.

This is the format I’d like to see us try, rather than paying huge sums of money for players that don’t know this league.

[Donegal Hibby]

I do.

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I feel that he's in a great position to revamp this squad and make it his own.

He played half a season with another managers squad and should be given more time to get together his own players.

There's no doubt going to be a big turnover in players in/out and given the recruitment that was done in Jan, I'm excited to see what happens over the summer.

I do think someone from the club should be coming out and saying he's here long term or he's not.

If they are going to replace him, they need to act now.

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Same here for similar reasons too . 👍

[wookie70]

I'm open to him staying too but mostly because I have no confidence we will choose anyone better. Like Maloney though his style of football bores me senseless. I have no real interest in winning the possession battle. If he had kept playing 442 I would have wanted rid but he changed as it wasn't working. He has had a single window and that was the Christmas one so has not had a great deal of chance to improve us with signings. The signings he did bring in have mostly been good. He also now has the best part of experience in the Scottish top league and a blind man should be able to see that possession is very over-rated in this league. If we go for McInnes or Robinson then fair enough but I would rather stick than twist on another manager from outside Scotland with very little knowledge of how the game is played here

[Biffo]

Are you who I think you are?That could depend a lot on who you are?


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[Keepthefaith]

An argument for keeping him? He’s not had enough time, he’s had to use another managers players etc etc

Why should he go? Well he should never have been given the job in the first place. A massive gamble bringing someone half way around the world who doesn’t know this league.
It stinks of “the next Postacoglu” and the people charged with bringing him having delusions of grandeur.

This club is bang in trouble because of those same people who have sold our club down the river.

We now can’t have any kind of stability in our squad going forward because we’re expected to play loan players.

I look over the road to see our neighbours doing things properly. Buying up good quality players from opposition clubs both strengthening with players who’ll hit the ground running because they know this league and whilst doing so weakening the opposition by taking their best players.

This is the format I’d like to see us try, rather than paying huge sums of money for players that don’t know this league.

Maolida doesn't know this league and he's a class player who is now our top scorer. NMW equally doesn't know the league but he's slotted on very well. I disagree it's about knowing the league and more about getting the right players in the right position. Loads of examples over the years of players who we expected to be good as they knew the league but flopped and vice versa

[Keepthefaith]

I do.

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I feel that he's in a great position to revamp this squad and make it his own.

He played half a season with another managers squad and should be given more time to get together his own players.

There's no doubt going to be a big turnover in players in/out and given the recruitment that was done in Jan, I'm excited to see what happens over the summer.

I do think someone from the club should be coming out and saying he's here long term or he's not.

If they are going to replace him, they need to act now.

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I agree. Results haven't been good enough but performances haven't been as awful as folk saying. I do believe he has the potential to be a good manager. Could file under heckingbottom who went on to become a good manager after leaving us.

The board will have a good sense of whether Monty is the best fit for the club. Short term underachievement doesn't always equate to incapable of doing the job.

Club do need to make a statement though to quit the level of toxicity.

[DIXIHIBS]

That could depend a lot on who you are?


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If you are who I think you are...then you know who I am:wink:

[Greensunshine]

Maolida doesn't know this league and he's a class player who is now our top scorer. NMW equally doesn't know the league but he's slotted on very well. I disagree it's about knowing the league and more about getting the right players in the right position. Loads of examples over the years of players who we expected to be good as they knew the league but flopped and vice versa

NMW looks like he’s going to be a success. Great I’m delighted with that and I really like him.

Maolida isn’t our player and we have no idea whether he’ll be here next season ( probably not ) and we also have no idea what other loans might turn up next season.
This in my opinion isn’t the best way to go about building a squad of players with so much uncertainty.

Pinching players from your opponents, you know exactly what you’re getting.

[Biffo]

If you are who I think you are...then you know who I am:wink:Does anyone really know anyone? Maybe we are all just in a simulation.......the Matrix is real! [emoji33]

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[DIXIHIBS]

Does anyone really know anyone? Maybe we are all just in a simulation.......the Matrix is real! [emoji33]

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You are definitely who I think you are:greengrin

[Smartie]

Are you who I think you are?

He’s not Michael Beale’s Hibs.net burner account, is he?

[May21/05/216]

I do.

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I feel that he's in a great position to revamp this squad and make it his own.

He played half a season with another managers squad and should be given more time to get together his own players.

There's no doubt going to be a big turnover in players in/out and given the recruitment that was done in Jan, I'm excited to see what happens over the summer.

I do think someone from the club should be coming out and saying he's here long term or he's not.

If they are going to replace him, they need to act now.

Sent from my SM-S901B using TapatalkI agree the man has had one transfer window that's not enough

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[JimBHibees]

I wanted him to stay but I've changed my mind and it's been nothing to do with results.

There were so many people on here with a deep insinctive knowledge for the game who knew he would be no good. I feel massively ashamed for ever doubting them, and humbled to say they were right all along and will never question their judgement on footballing matters again.

They way I see it now is that we're dammed if we do dammed if we don't. I sincerely doubt that with our track record of binning managers anyone who'll give us the quick and sustained improvement (ie; McInnes) will go anywhere near this club.

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[hibeerealist]

I agree the man has had one transfer window that's not enough

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One transfer window yes, have you not seen enough?

[andrew_dundee]

I would be happy for him to go - failing to get top 6 should be a disqualification for any Hibs manager. But we have had too many managers lately and none of them have had the time to build a team (whether they could have is of course a very valid question).

But also not gutted if he stays. I think there has been extenuating circumstances, and he had a good window over winter. I think he probably would have a good summer, but he would also have to improve his game intelligence and ability to close down a game when we're leading. If he could do that we would be comfortably in the top 6.

[May21/05/216]

One transfer window yes, have you not seen enough?I'm in favour of giving a manager 3 transfer windows I know it won't happen as I think the black knights will appoint there manager and revamp the football department

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[Brightside]

I do.

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I feel that he's in a great position to revamp this squad and make it his own.

He played half a season with another managers squad and should be given more time to get together his own players.

There's no doubt going to be a big turnover in players in/out and given the recruitment that was done in Jan, I'm excited to see what happens over the summer.

I do think someone from the club should be coming out and saying he's here long term or he's not.

If they are going to replace him, they need to act now.

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Similar view.

[Unseen work]

Just looked at the break downs of the wins, draws and losses since he came in


Aberdeen - LWD - 4 points
Celtic- DLL - 1 point
Dundee - DWW - 6 points
Forfar - W - cup
Inverness - W - cup
Kilmarnock - DWD - 5 points
Livingston - WW - 6 points
Hearts - DLD - 2 points
Motherwell DD - 2 points
Rangers LLLL - 0 points
Ross County. DWD - 5 points
St Johnstone - WLL- 3 points
St Mirren - WDL - 4 points

Interesting he not bad returns against Dundee and Kilmarnock.

No results against rangers and then losing 2 against Ross County are damming though.

8 points out of a possible 18 against the bottom 2 clubs.

If we treat all them as points available including cups, it means he’s got 42/102 available.

[Winston Ingram]

I do.

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I feel that he's in a great position to revamp this squad and make it his own.

He played half a season with another managers squad and should be given more time to get together his own players.

There's no doubt going to be a big turnover in players in/out and given the recruitment that was done in Jan, I'm excited to see what happens over the summer.

I do think someone from the club should be coming out and saying he's here long term or he's not.

If they are going to replace him, they need to act now.

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Genuinely think this sort of reasoning is the biggest crock of ***** ever. A manager’s job is to get the best out of tools available to them and capable managers do just that.

The idea that managers can’t be judged until they get a new squad of players is utterly bat**** mental. It’s even more stupid when he’s demonstrated absolutely nothing to suggest he knows what he’s doing.

He was given a squad of players that qualified for Europe and was so bad at managing it that he dragged us into the bottom 6. Anybody giving this clown a money to buy anyone, deserves sacked.

[Biffo]

Genuinely think this sort of reasoning is the biggest crock of ***** ever. A manager’s job is to get the best out of tools available to them and capable managers do just that.

The idea that managers can’t be judged until they get a new squad of players is utterly bat**** mental. It’s even more stupid when he’s demonstrated absolutely nothing to suggest he knows what he’s doing.

He was given a squad of players that qualified for Europe and was so bad at managing it that he dragged us into the bottom 6. Anybody giving this clown a money to buy anyone, deserves sacked.That's funny because what you've just said is total nonsense to me.

What's the point in anyone signing any players then, they should all just make do with what they have according to this logic.

Tell me a manager that's joined a club and had success without signing a single player?

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[Unseen work]

That's funny because what you've just said is total nonsense to me.

What's the point in anyone signing any players then, they should all just make do with what they have according to this logic.

Tell me a manager that's joined a club and had success without signing a single player?

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I don’t know about success, but theirs plenty managers that have joined clubs and had an instant impact with improved results/performances.

Monty’s never really had that effect with us and I think that is a lot of people’s issue

[Biffo]

I don’t know about success, but theirs plenty managers that have joined clubs and had an instant impact with improved results/performances.

Monty’s never really had that effect with us and I think that is a lot of people’s issueSo it's a manager with impact we want?

Who's got the number for Sam Allardyce?



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[Unseen work]

So it's a manager with impact we want?

Who's got the number for Sam Allardyce?



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You’re right, we should go for a manager that has no impact.

My apologies.

[TrinityHFC]

I don’t know about success, but theirs plenty managers that have joined clubs and had an instant impact with improved results/performances.

Monty’s never really had that effect with us and I think that is a lot of people’s issue

He said when he arrived he’d done a lot of research and thought we had a really good squad. He said he was going to make them into a team we could identify with playing with high energy and scoring goals. So far he’s failed with that.

[hibsbollah]

I wonder at the motivation of volunteering your opinion on a thread like this at the moment, when there are so many angry types ready to call you stupid and bat**** crazy and throw all sort of other stuff around when you have a different opinion? Its a Feeding frenzy.

[Biffo]

You’re right, we should go for a manager that has no impact.

My apologies.There are plenty of successful managers out there who didn't have an instant "impact".

I'd take sustained success over impact any day. It remains to be seen if NM is the man to deliver that, but I think he should be given more time to show if he can do so.

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[Hibiza]

Not me anymore. Repetitive failures.

[andrew70]

He said when he arrived he’d done a lot of research and thought we had a really good squad. He said he was going to make them into a team we could identify with playing with high energy and scoring goals. So far he’s failed with that.

He’s failed but the players have let him down too.

We’ve seen the identity in fleeting moments and games but unfortunately the players can’t do it consistently.

As far as I know the mood around Montgomery (with the players) is very good and they like his training and Raimundo. Psychologically though they’ve just not got it.

We can blame the manager but we equally need to blame a group of players which has seen off several managers.

Rotten to the core at the minute.

[Since452]

Is he still in the job? Nonsense if he is.

[Is It On....]

An argument for keeping him? He’s not had enough time, he’s had to use another managers players etc etc

Why should he go? Well he should never have been given the job in the first place. A massive gamble bringing someone half way around the world who doesn’t know this league.
It stinks of “the next Postacoglu” and the people charged with bringing him having delusions of grandeur.

This club is bang in trouble because of those same people who have sold our club down the river.

We now can’t have any kind of stability in our squad going forward because we’re expected to play loan players.

I look over the road to see our neighbours doing things properly. Buying up good quality players from opposition clubs both strengthening with players who’ll hit the ground running because they know this league and whilst doing so weakening the opposition by taking their best players.

This is the format I’d like to see us try, rather than paying huge sums of money for players that don’t know this league.

Our neighbours used to look at us doing it properly when they had the Levain, Chief Scout, favoured agent model and we had Mathie, get better slowly, in charge of recruitment. They installed Savage and Lancefield and we replaced Mathie for Ian Gordon with a strategy resembling...

We need Mr Foley and his team to sort out the recruitment department and selection process as a matter of urgency.

[KazaHibs]

He said when he arrived he’d done a lot of research and thought we had a really good squad. He said he was going to make them into a team we could identify with playing with high energy and scoring goals. So far he’s failed with that.

Exactly, see if we could see this high energy, fast tempo football that we all thought he would bring then maybe we could all say he deserved a chance?

But its lacklustre, ponderous, lethargic, backwards football. Why on earth we are still taking short goal kicks when we have no players that are comfortable on the ball then questions have to be asked and answered.

[tonyrougier123]

When I seen line up yesterday I wasn’t sure it was way to go. 4atacking mids two denfensive ball winning mids. Nearly worked though. And for better finishing we’d have nicked it comfortably.

Hibs manager job has become let’s try something else,I’m not sure I’ve totally reached that point with Montgomery. I think he’s learning fast and I also feel we should give this another season despite feeling abject about bottom six status.

[andrew_dundee]

When I seen line up yesterday I wasn’t sure it was way to go. 4atacking mids two denfensive ball winning mids. Nearly worked though. And for better finishing we’d have nicked it comfortably.

Hibs manager job has become let’s try something else,I’m not sure I’ve totally reached that point with Montgomery. I think he’s learning fast and I also feel we should give this another season despite feeling abject about bottom six status.

I think there's a good argument to say he was hired too early in his career, but I also think he's someone who will go on to have a better managerial career than some of the managers we have punted in the past.

[Keepthefaith]

Not me anymore. Repetitive failures.

Presume you mean multiple threads on the same issue just feed the toxicity? If so, you're right!

[jeffers]

He’s failed but the players have let him down too.

We’ve seen the identity in fleeting moments and games but unfortunately the players can’t do it consistently.

As far as I know the mood around Montgomery (with the players) is very good and they like his training and Raimundo. Psychologically though they’ve just not got it.

We can blame the manager but we equally need to blame a group of players which has seen off several managers.

Rotten to the core at the minute.

I’ve heard the exact opposite.

[Keepthefaith]

Is he still in the job? Nonsense if he is.

There's multiple other threads for you to repeat the same ****. I think this thread was trying to give folk an opportunity to be heard in a more measured way...

[The Modfather]

Genuinely think this sort of reasoning is the biggest crock of ***** ever. A manager’s job is to get the best out of tools available to them and capable managers do just that.

The idea that managers can’t be judged until they get a new squad of players is utterly bat**** mental. It’s even more stupid when he’s demonstrated absolutely nothing to suggest he knows what he’s doing.

He was given a squad of players that qualified for Europe and was so bad at managing it that he dragged us into the bottom 6. Anybody giving this clown a money to buy anyone, deserves sacked.

I don’t think we’re particularly different to last season. We were 30 seconds away yesterday from being in the top 6 and being 2 points off 5th. The only real difference seems to be paper thin. We fell into the top 6 last season watching results up until the full time whistle. We were doing that again yesterday with the difference being we conceded and fell just short of the top 6.

Last season and this season are identical IMO. Neither Johnson, Montgomery or the squad are the answer.

[andrew70]

I’ve heard the exact opposite.

Yes I seen your post on PM board however I have no reason to not believe the people I’ve spoken too.

He’s certainly ruffled a few feathers, the right ones in my opinion but on the whole he’s largely liked.

There’s going to be massive changes whether he stays or not and it’s about time. I’d like to see him get the chance to see them through as I believe he can be very successful but equally bottom six is a poor return.

I feel for him as some of the squad are just not able to do what he wants consistently and he’s told some that.

[JohnM1875]

Yes I seen your post on PM board however I have no reason to not believe the people I’ve spoken too.

He’s certainly ruffled a few feathers, the right ones in my opinion but on the whole he’s largely liked.

There’s going to be massive changes whether he stays or not and it’s about time. I’d like to see him get the chance to see them through as I believe he can be very successful but equally bottom six is a poor return.

I feel for him as some of the squad are just not able to do what he wants consistently and he’s told some that.

And what exactly is it he wants them to do consistently? Cause I can't really see a style of play. If a team sits in against us we're ****ed most of the time.

[Northernhibee]

I think that in general that although we have some good individual players, they don’t fit in to any coherent concept of a squad. Marcondes spends half his time playing flicks to nobody at all, Maolida is very good, NMW could be very good for us but the players around him don’t compliment him. The defence is shocking.

It’s all still got the whiff of when we got giddy about the idea of development teams and stats being a massive part of our recruitment that led to the likes of Mueller, Deferierre, Hauge, Balde, Emmanuel Johnson, Melkersen, and the like being signed.

There are far bigger issues at our club than just the manager and I still do rate him, he’s just not that experienced and has an absolute mountain to climb to form any sort of squad out of what we have.

[andrew70]

And what exactly is it he wants them to do consistently? Cause I can't really see a style of play. If a team sits in against us we're ****ed most of the time.

He wants them to control the game (like we did at Tynie), he wants players who can play the ball quicker, make simple 5/10 yard passes and attack whilst playing with heart and passion.

How often did we misplace passes yesterday, how often did we shirk challenges yesterday and how about not closing down their only shot on target.

That’s not his fault. He’s got plenty wrong but he’s learning quickly unfortunately he may not get the opportunity to take us forward but thankfully a lot of the players will be out on their backsides too.

The transformation will be startling.

[Cabbage-Patch]

I’m really in two minds.

One minute I want him to stay - He’s got an idea how he wants to play and when it comes off it’s good. However I’ve been thinking is the reason it’s coming off now just because he’s got better players such as Myziane?

A huge concern for me is that me keep him on and don’t keep Myziane (no chance he’ll stay) and we’re back to Tavares or similar on the left.

There’s always the “what if” we sign a good centre back or two. We do seem to limit other teams to little opportunities now but for whatever reason they’re all going in.

Do we use the ‘stats’ and replace Marshall and the two centre halves and hope the tide turns. Another thing we need is a centre forward that can score, Vente has about 5 league goals.

Then I think I wonder what hearts, Aberdeen etc are thinking. They’ll all be desperate for Monty to stay.

He's had more than half a season he's had essentially the whole season. He's brought in around 5-6 players which are starters. In the case of Myziane, Marcondes, Amos and NMW these are all significant higher standard than what we had before. With these players he's had a worse record then under LJ who whilst playing mostly honking football got us 5th and a decent European run.

What does that say about Montgomery? Sack him now and he can get a top job back in Australia. At this stage that would probably suit everyone.

[Unseen work]

I’ve heard the exact opposite.

Players not like them/moaning about training?

I really dislike that about players. A new manager comes in and it’s always “the intensity is higher, really good sessions, loads of information, clear way of playing” etc

Couple of losses and all of a sudden they dislike them

[andrew70]

Players not like them/moaning about training?

I really dislike that about players. A new manager comes in and it’s always “the intensity is higher, really good sessions, loads of information, clear way of playing” etc

Couple of losses and all of a sudden they dislike them

Some don’t like the truth.

[B.H.F.C]

He wants them to control the game (like we did at Tynie), he wants players who can play the ball quicker, make simple 5/10 yard passes and attack whilst playing with heart and passion.

How often did we misplace passes yesterday, how often did we shirk challenges yesterday and how about not closing down their only shot on target.

That’s not his fault. He’s got plenty wrong but he’s learning quickly unfortunately he may not get the opportunity to take us forward but thankfully a lot of the players will be out on their backsides too.

The transformation will be startling.

I’ve not seen anything to suggest he’s learning quickly. The formation has tweaked slightly but other than that it’s just the same as it was six or seven months ago. We lose the same type of goals as we did then, we throw away points late in games, as we did then. Our centre halves and goalie have about 50% of the ball.

I’ve stuck up for him a fair bit as I think he’s been unfortunate at times and there is a hardly a player there that I care about keeping. But he’s not delivered enough and it’ll have cost us a fortune as well as just being absolutely ***** from a footballing perspective.

[B.H.F.C]

Players not like them/moaning about training?

I really dislike that about players. A new manager comes in and it’s always “the intensity is higher, really good sessions, loads of information, clear way of playing” etc

Couple of losses and all of a sudden they dislike them

Players love an excuse.

Every time a manager gets the sack you get a wee initial reaction. Then you hear all the usual chat you mention. Then they revert to type and get the next on the sack.

I’d clear out as much as possible. It’s two in one season they’ve let down, even if neither of the two they’ve let down we’re perfect.

[One Day]

If you are who I think you are...then you know who I am:wink:

What if he knows who YOU are but hes not who YOU think he is

[Northernhibee]

Players love an excuse.

Every time a manager gets the sack you get a wee initial reaction. Then you hear all the usual chat you mention. Then they revert to type and get the next on the sack.

I’d clear out as much as possible. It’s two in one season they’ve let down, even if neither of the two they’ve let down we’re perfect.

We’re turning into post Fergie Man United. Too much power to a distinctly poor squad with a bunch of them getting very good wages for not giving much to the team, and a tendency to throw toys out of the pram when they decide they don’t like a manager.

Sack another manager and it just reinforces that a bit of moaning and the club will get another fall guy in.

[jeffers]

Yes I seen your post on PM board however I have no reason to not believe the people I’ve spoken too.

He’s certainly ruffled a few feathers, the right ones in my opinion but on the whole he’s largely liked.

There’s going to be massive changes whether he stays or not and it’s about time. I’d like to see him get the chance to see them through as I believe he can be very successful but equally bottom six is a poor return.

I feel for him as some of the squad are just not able to do what he wants consistently and he’s told some that.

No problem. I’ve no reason not believe what I’ve been told either.

[cabbageandribs1875]

He wants them to control the game (like we did at Tynie), he wants players who can play the ball quicker, make simple 5/10 yard passes and attack whilst playing with heart and passion.

How often did we misplace passes yesterday, how often did we shirk challenges yesterday and how about not closing down their only shot on target.

That’s not his fault. He’s got plenty wrong but he’s learning quickly unfortunately he may not get the opportunity to take us forward but thankfully a lot of the players will be out on their backsides too.

The transformation will be startling.


i remember one player pulling out a challenge in the 2nd half

can't remember if i mentioned it or not on the match thread :hmmm:

[Unseen work]

Some don’t like the truth.

Monty been telling some home truths?

[DIXIHIBS]

What if he knows who YOU are but hes not who YOU think he is

Stop confusing me. Now I'm not sure who I am:confused:

[JimBHibees]

Players not like them/moaning about training?

I really dislike that about players. A new manager comes in and it’s always “the intensity is higher, really good sessions, loads of information, clear way of playing” etc

Couple of losses and all of a sudden they dislike them

Absolutely

[Biffo]

Stop confusing me. Now I'm not sure who I am:confused:Who is anyone, we're all just constructs of one's and zeros in a giant super computer! [emoji2962]

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[Paulie Walnuts]

I do.

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I feel that he's in a great position to revamp this squad and make it his own.

He played half a season with another managers squad and should be given more time to get together his own players.

There's no doubt going to be a big turnover in players in/out and given the recruitment that was done in Jan, I'm excited to see what happens over the summer.

I do think someone from the club should be coming out and saying he's here long term or he's not.

If they are going to replace him, they need to act now.

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He played half a season with someone else’s players, then got some of his own in, with huge pedigree, and the results have got even worse.

[NC1875]

This is also where I am. I accept there have been issues but it’s not as bad as many on here would have you believe.

This is a wind up surely ? Since January we’ve probably had the most expensive squad wages wise outwith the old firm. Hes done nothing to deserve any longer

[JohnM1875]

That PLZ clip they put up an hour or so ago has really pissed me off.

Going on about the club (not him) failing to make the top six, progressing in the cups to a good level (beat Forfar (just) and ICT). How as a club we have to look back to the start of the season and before pre-season on how we've ended up in this position.

Take some ****ing responsibility man!!

[Skol]

This is a wind up surely ? Since January we’ve probably had the most expensive squad wages wise outwith the old firm. Hes done nothing to deserve any longer

Opinions!

There have been times when I watched hibs where I felt things were much worse. I am thinking calderwood, fenlon, butcher and maloney in more recent times. Miller (although there we’re good spells in amongst the bad) and auld going further back.

[jeffers]

Opinions!

There have been times when I watched hibs where I felt things were much worse. I am thinking calderwood, fenlon, butcher and maloney in more recent times. Miller (although there we’re good spells in amongst the bad) and auld going further back.

You think things were worse under Maloney ? It’s hard to put a case for there being any difference and Maloney could only dream of having the forward options available to him that Monty has had.

[alibaba]

I’m not sure if I want him to stay or go but watching arsenal and I wondered how many arsenal fans wanted him sacked after his first season

I think maybe give him more time he has inherited quite a few players that previous managers have brought in and are obviously not good enough

We’re all disappointed being bottom six but we’re not getting relegated so give him a chance at least next season to see if he can build something


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[Skol]

You think things were worse under Maloney ? It’s hard to put a case for there being any difference and Maloney could only dream of having the forward options available to him that Monty has had.

Things were much worse under maloney. There have only been two years where I have not been sure about renewing my season ticket. Maloney was one, fenlon the other.

[jeffers]

Things were much worse under maloney. There have only been two years where I have not been sure about renewing my season ticket. Maloney was one, fenlon the other.

Each to their own. Personally I don’t see it at all.

[Tha Cabbage Kid]

This isn't a statement of wanting Nick to stay but I wonder what the board are up to and what involvement Foley has in all this.
Foley wants a manager who will develop players and get them ready for premier league football. So I can only assume (if indeed Nick stays) it's because they ( the board) believe he is the best option for this.
From what I've seen regarding myziane (and it a very short extend tavares I think maybe he's the preferred choice.

Personally I don't like they way we have lay down to the opposition under our current manager. I want to see fight but maybe this is the way of the modern game? I don't know.

[jakeshibs]

An argument for keeping him? He’s not had enough time, he’s had to use another managers players etc etc

Why should he go? Well he should never have been given the job in the first place. A massive gamble bringing someone half way around the world who doesn’t know this league.
It stinks of “the next Postacoglu” and the people charged with bringing him having delusions of grandeur.

This club is bang in trouble because of those same people who have sold our club down the river.

We now can’t have any kind of stability in our squad going forward because we’re expected to play loan players.

I look over the road to see our neighbours doing things properly. Buying up good quality players from opposition clubs both strengthening with players who’ll hit the ground running because they know this league and whilst doing so weakening the opposition by taking their best players.

This is the format I’d like to see us try, rather than paying huge sums of money for players that don’t know this league.

Your blaming everyone and using our neighbours as a good example, however you do realise that their support continue to raise funds to support their ambitions and they put us to shame in raising money but i don't hear you taking any responsibility on that cause!! we are are hurting and no deccent manager worth his salt would touch us right now as know we are a poisoned chalice, we could get Sir Alex Fergusin in and he would not achieve what we want in half a season, and we would sack him.

[jeffers]

Your blaming everyone and using our neighbours as a good example, however you do realise that their support continue to raise funds to support their ambitions and they put us to shame in raising money but i don't hear you taking any responsibility on that cause!! we are are hurting and no deccent manager worth his salt would touch us right now as know we are a poisoned chalice, we could get Sir Alex Fergusin in and he would not achieve what we want in half a season, and we would sack him.

No decent manager would touch us ? Really ? Did that end with Monty then or are you including him as one of them ?

[Is It On....]

Your blaming everyone and using our neighbours as a good example, however you do realise that their support continue to raise funds to support their ambitions and they put us to shame in raising money but i don't hear you taking any responsibility on that cause!! we are are hurting and no deccent manager worth his salt would touch us right now as know we are a poisoned chalice, we could get Sir Alex Fergusin in and he would not achieve what we want in half a season, and we would sack him.

I would bet that Sir Alex Ferguson would have had this team [or the Aberdeen team we are about to compete against] comfortably in the Top 6...

[Paulie Walnuts]

Things were much worse under maloney. There have only been two years where I have not been sure about renewing my season ticket. Maloney was one, fenlon the other.

Na. This is worse than Maloney imo.

I renewed under Maloney. Not a chance I’m buying a ST if NM is in charge next season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Your blaming everyone and using our neighbours as a good example, however you do realise that their support continue to raise funds to support their ambitions and they put us to shame in raising money but i don't hear you taking any responsibility on that cause!! we are are hurting and no deccent manager worth his salt would touch us right now as know we are a poisoned chalice, we could get Sir Alex Fergusin in and he would not achieve what we want in half a season, and we would sack him.

Pish.

[K-Zazu]

Is he still in the job? Nonsense if he is.

He ain’t going anywhere.

[Keepthefaith]

Na. This is worse than Maloney imo.

I renewed under Maloney. Not a chance I’m buying a ST if NM is in charge next season.

That'll come as a relief to Monty and a few of the rest of us! 😋. We all know you'll be back when things come good next season.

Like a poster above says, I expect him to stay and as we support our team, surely you'd want to support hibs regardless of who's in charge?

Sure this season has been poor overall, but we're not 5 year olds who have a strop surely??

[Callum_62]

That'll come as a relief to Monty and a few of the rest of us! [emoji39]. We all know you'll be back when things come good next season.

Like a poster above says, I expect him to stay and as we support our team, surely you'd want to support hibs regardless of who's in charge?

Sure this season has been poor overall, but we're not 5 year olds who have a strop surely??Are you new to Internet football forums?

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[bigell]

All I can say is remember Alex Ferguson, he should have been sacked at Man utd initially, remember, they kept him and look what happened then....Not saying Monty is Fergie, but give the man a chance.

[subcom mixu]

I do. Couple of strong defenders, an outstanding striker and as mentioned in other threads exemplary team leadership, with Kensell gone too, and we're good to go. Easy peasy ;) Glory Glory.

[Stevie Reid]

Was genuinely interested to see what reasons were going to be put forward by those who wanted him to stay. Three pages in, I’m still not sure if I’ve seen a proper one.

We’ve played quite well on occasions, we’re not as bad as some are making out, and we could appoint worse, are really thin gruel.

I note that another poster had said that he’s in an ideal position to rebuild the squad this summer. I believe the club is in an ideal position to have a huge rebuild, but I think a new manager should be part of that.

[greenlex]

I think he really needs to have a fantastic run in the bottom 6 to survive. If he can’t do that then we should be looking to replace him.
After the jan window closed I looked at the squad assembled and the fixtures we had till now. We really should have been top 6 easily and anything else was failure. We aren’t and that should really be enough but giving him the rest of the season to redeem himself won’t do any harm.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That'll come as a relief to Monty and a few of the rest of us! 😋. We all know you'll be back when things come good next season.

Like a poster above says, I expect him to stay and as we support our team, surely you'd want to support hibs regardless of who's in charge?

Sure this season has been poor overall, but we're not 5 year olds who have a strop surely??

It’ll come as a relief that fans have no interest in coming to watch the utterly dreadful stuff his team delivers?

I’ll always support Hibs. I’ve no interest in spending the large sums of money, and spending the large amounts of time involved on a Nick Montgomery Hibs team. The crowds the rest of this season will reflect that I’m far from alone in thinking that. And that’s not the actions of a 5 year old having a strop. Thats the actions of an adult who is watching a team that is offering absolutely zero enjoyment and deciding not to spend their money or time on it.

[Keepthefaith]

Was genuinely interested to see what reasons were going to be put forward by those who wanted him to stay. Three pages in, I’m still not sure if I’ve seen a proper one.

We’ve played quite well on occasions, we’re not as bad as some are making out, and we could appoint worse, are really thin gruel.

I note that another poster had said that he’s in an ideal position to rebuild the squad this summer. I believe the club is in an ideal position to have a huge rebuild, but I think a new manager should be part of that.

Couple of things in response. Folk at the club will get a clear sense of what type of manager he is from their day to day interaction, his planning, his reflections, his application far more than we supporters do. They'll also know how his coaching team work too. That may be pivotal if we're looking at how well approach next season.

Also, we have been shafted by decisions and even the most vehement opposer to Monty can't deny that and it's been costly. We've also struggled at times with players available with afcon and Asia cup and injuries IMO ALF was a huge miss this season for example.

Finally individual errors have been huge. And it seems like we've been disproportionately punished ie teams scoring with only shots on target and getting a draw or a win.

I expect the club to take all of this into account. Sure Monty has made mistakes...are any of us perfect at work?!

He'll be here next season...and beyond with a cup under one arm at least 😉

[Keepthefaith]

It’ll come as a relief that fans have no interest in coming to watch the utterly dreadful stuff his team delivers?

I’ll always support Hibs. I’ve no interest in spending the large sums of money, and spending the large amounts of time involved on a Nick Montgomery Hibs team. The crowds the rest of this season will reflect that I’m far from alone in thinking that.

The low crowds that I agree will occur is a result of meaningless games as well as some like yourself losing faith. That's your right. And yeah I get it's a choice as it's not cheap to follow your team.

My point was more your tone, stating that no matter what you'll not be watching hibs under Monty. I just think as adults we can be a bit more considered and say that whilst you don't want him in charge, that if he is you'll still support the team you love?

[Paulie Walnuts]

The low crowds that I agree will occur is a result of meaningless games as well as some like yourself losing faith. That's your right. And yeah I get it's a choice as it's not cheap to follow your team.

My point was more your tone, stating that no matter what you'll not be watching hibs under Monty. I just think as adults we can be a bit more considered and say that whilst you don't want him in charge, that if he is you'll still support the team you love?

I never said I wouldnt support Hibs.

[Keepthefaith]

I never said I wouldnt support Hibs.

Fair enough, you didn't. Guess I was reading between the lines that as you said so strongly that you aren't going to renew with Monty in charge that it meant you weren't going back to games next season. Apologies if that's not the case!

[Donegal Hibby]

Fair dues to Monty for going to the Event tonight . It says a lot about his character.

[Stevie Reid]

Couple of things in response. Folk at the club will get a clear sense of what type of manager he is from their day to day interaction, his planning, his reflections, his application far more than we supporters do. They'll also know how his coaching team work too. That may be pivotal if we're looking at how well approach next season.

Also, we have been shafted by decisions and even the most vehement opposer to Monty can't deny that and it's been costly. We've also struggled at times with players available with afcon and Asia cup and injuries IMO ALF was a huge miss this season for example.

Finally individual errors have been huge. And it seems like we've been disproportionately punished ie teams scoring with only shots on target and getting a draw or a win.

I expect the club to take all of this into account. Sure Monty has made mistakes...are any of us perfect at work?!

He'll be here next season...and beyond with a cup under one arm at least 😉

Ok, a few things in response also. Firstly, the type of manager he is will be determined by results, nothing else. It doesn’t matter how diligent he and is coaching team are - and I’ve absolutely no doubt that they are all putting everything into the job (but surely that’s to be expected) - if the results are poor. And they are.

All of the things you have written about VAR decisions and injuries this season, can equally be applied to LJ last season. The VAR stuff maybe slightly less, but the injuries certainly more, I would say. Johnson still managed to put a pretty strong end of the season together.

Another point about VAR. Yes we have had some shockers go against us - but we are far from alone on that front. Motherwell have had some shockers too, they can then legitimately state that they could have cost them top six. Aberdeen felt strongly enough to release a statement about VAR last week.

Injuries are a part of football, and basically none of the SPL is happy with VAR. So I see no particular strength to those arguments.

The stuff about individual errors is barely worth mentioning. Any manager can point to player errors as costing them. If Nisbet and Boyle hadn’t missed penalties then maybe Jack Ross would still be our manager. Same for Maloney if Melkersen hadn’t missed an open goal. I could go on and on.

Player errors affect results and the manager carries the can for them. It will always be the case - just as they get praise when the players they manage play well, and achieve positive results.

As for us being disproportionately punished - that just means we can’t defend and struggle to win games.

I’m not asking for a Hibs manager to be perfect - not even close to it. But I do expect much better than what I’ve seen from NM so far.

As for the board - I think that BF and the new investors will have some serious input into our decisions going forward. I seriously doubt that they’ll be swung by a litany of excuses, such as those listed above.

But of course you may well be right - time will tell.

[Victor]

I do.

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I feel that he's in a great position to revamp this squad and make it his own.

He played half a season with another managers squad and should be given more time to get together his own players.

There's no doubt going to be a big turnover in players in/out and given the recruitment that was done in Jan, I'm excited to see what happens over the summer.

I do think someone from the club should be coming out and saying he's here long term or he's not.

If they are going to replace him, they need to act now.

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Agree with this. Don’t see the point of changing Manager at this point and hitting the reset button. We need stability.


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[Wheat Hound]

He wants them to control the game (like we did at Tynie), he wants players who can play the ball quicker, make simple 5/10 yard passes and attack whilst playing with heart and passion.

How often did we misplace passes yesterday, how often did we shirk challenges yesterday and how about not closing down their only shot on target.

That’s not his fault. He’s got plenty wrong but he’s learning quickly unfortunately he may not get the opportunity to take us forward but thankfully a lot of the players will be out on their backsides too.

The transformation will be startling.

The transformation has been startling already; he's made Lee Johnson look like a better alternative

[IberianHibernian]

Have any of the folk demanding a new manager got realistic alternatives to NM ? Obviously read McInnes and Lennon threads but other than that don`t see many realistic names and stuff about Foley`s people appointing someone as though they would know a good manager makes it even more worrying . Maybe time for a bit of tranquility . Fortunately we have a few months till next season starts so have time to assess situation and not make decisions based on how one or two results panned out .

[JoeT]

What a difference a goal makes. First time for me at Fir Park in about 15 years. Took my 11 year old daughter and we would have celebrated top 6 qualification and cheered the team off the pitch despite it not being a great achievement, but it was something. Doubt I'll be back this season.

[Stevie Reid]

Have any of the folk demanding a new manager got realistic alternatives to NM ? Obviously read McInnes and Lennon threads but other than that don`t see many realistic names and stuff about Foley`s people appointing someone as though they would know a good manager makes it even more worrying . Maybe time for a bit of tranquility . Fortunately we have a few months till next season starts so have time to assess situation and not make decisions based on how one or two results panned out .

I’d like to think that Alec Neil would be a realistic option. I’d happily take him.

[wookie70]

Have any of the folk demanding a new manager got realistic alternatives to NM ? Obviously read McInnes and Lennon threads but other than that don`t see many realistic names and stuff about Foley`s people appointing someone as though they would know a good manager makes it even more worrying . Maybe time for a bit of tranquility . Fortunately we have a few months till next season starts so have time to assess situation and not make decisions based on how one or two results panned out .

Tony Docherty would have to be an outside bet. Long apprenticeship with McInnes and then a brilliant start to his career with a very difficult club who have under performed for decades. His style of play is pretty front foot and Dundee are not one of the teams that play anti football which must be tempting when you have been promoted. He may also like a step up and he seems to talk well and be a decent guy. If we do change manager he may be a decent option

[HoboHarry]

I’d like to think that Alec Neil would be a realistic option. I’d happily take him.

Genuine question, do you think his track record matches up to the probable future expectations/ambitions of Bill Foley?

[HoboHarry]

Have any of the folk demanding a new manager got realistic alternatives to NM ? Obviously read McInnes and Lennon threads but other than that don`t see many realistic names and stuff about Foley`s people appointing someone as though they would know a good manager makes it even more worrying . Maybe time for a bit of tranquility . Fortunately we have a few months till next season starts so have time to assess situation and not make decisions based on how one or two results panned out .

:agree:

[jeffers]

Genuine question, do you think his track record matches up to the probable future expectations/ambitions of Bill Foley?

What do you think their expectations are ?

[RIP]

I wouldn't trust a coach who loses multiple late goals with buying me a fish supper, let alone signing players.

That blunder could cost us our Premiership status and several million pounds. Who in their right mind would be so stupid?

[Stevie Reid]

Genuine question, do you think his track record matches up to the probable future expectations/ambitions of Bill Foley?

Does his record suggest that he could take Hibs to third in the league? I think so, yes.

[Wheat Hound]

Does his record suggest that he could take Hibs to third in the league? I think so, yes.

Where does it suggest that? His record so far with Hibs suggests he is clueless

[McGruber]

Was genuinely interested to see what reasons were going to be put forward by those who wanted him to stay. Three pages in, I’m still not sure if I’ve seen a proper one.

We’ve played quite well on occasions, we’re not as bad as some are making out, and we could appoint worse, are really thin gruel.

I note that another poster had said that he’s in an ideal position to rebuild the squad this summer. I believe the club is in an ideal position to have a huge rebuild, but I think a new manager should be part of that.

Would imagine one of the main reasons is just that some fans just want to give one of our chosen managers time and a number of transfer windows. Stick with somebody for a few years, fed up of sacking managers and being on that hamster wheel.

[andrew70]

Monty been telling some home truths?

Yes, very much so.

[Stevie Reid]

Where does it suggest that? His record so far with Hibs suggests he is clueless

I was talking about Alec Neil.

[Wheat Hound]

I was talking about Alec Neil.

Apologies misread that

[Dr_Regal]

Big yes to Alex Neil

[Forza Fred]

I won’t be upset if he stays.
I was probably the first to suggest Monty for the job on here, based on my close observations of him with. CCM.

With the benefit of hindsight, I didn’t take his overall club inexperience into account enough.

Now I look back on it I see his early mistake in trying to replicate the way the Mariners …indeed nearly all the A League teams play…..open, possession style football….something that doesn’t work when teams ‘sit in’.

He learned from that and changed things.
One of his remits was to develop young players, and he gave a few a start…..but it cost us, and while I’m sure he will continue to nurture them…I’m pretty sure also that he won’t sacrifice many points in doing it in future.

I,’ve got no doubt if retained MontyMark 2 will be improved due to lessons learned.

Every manager will tell you that they learned something at each club they worked at and I think he learned plenty at Hibs.

It’s not all whitewash though…..I think he needs to reflect on the point that there may not be a need to make substitutes regardless at the 60th or 70th minute……..and be careful who he puts on as ‘impact’ subs…some instances have left me baffled.

He’s made mistakes…all coaches do…and those mistakes will weigh on his shoulders into next season if he remains…no question.

But the benefit of a fair dinkum summer transfer window, and a full preseason are ‘Luxuries’ he has yet to enjoy and no doubt would be a plus for him.

Guess it’s a ‘faith’ thing, I’ve seen enough of him, and got enough faith in him to support a second season…..but my instincts tell me that may not happen.

I can see why people won’t agree though, obviously.

[babahibs]

I do.

I know it's an unpopular opinion, but I feel that he's in a great position to revamp this squad and make it his own.

He played half a season with another managers squad and should be given more time to get together his own players.

There's no doubt going to be a big turnover in players in/out and given the recruitment that was done in Jan, I'm excited to see what happens over the summer.

I do think someone from the club should be coming out and saying he's here long term or he's not.

If they are going to replace him, they need to act now.

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This is where I am.

[JimBHibees]

I won’t be upset if he stays.
I was probably the first to suggest Monty for the job on here, based on my close observations of him with. CCM.

With the benefit of hindsight, I didn’t take his overall club inexperience into account enough.

Now I look back on it I see his early mistake in trying to replicate the way the Mariners …indeed nearly all the A League teams play…..open, possession style football….something that doesn’t work when teams ‘sit in’.

He learned from that and changed things.
One of his remits was to develop young players, and he gave a few a start…..but it cost us, and while I’m sure he will continue to nurture them…I’m pretty sure also that he won’t sacrifice many points in doing it in future.

I,’ve got no doubt if retained MontyMark 2 will be improved due to lessons learned.

Every manager will tell you that they learned something at each club they worked at and I think he learned plenty at Hibs.

It’s not all whitewash though…..I think he needs to reflect on the point that there may not be a need to make substitutes regardless at the 60th or 70th minute……..and be careful who he puts on as ‘impact’ subs…some instances have left me baffled.

He’s made mistakes…all coaches do…and those mistakes will weigh on his shoulders into next season if he remains…no question.

But the benefit of a fair dinkum summer transfer window, and a full preseason are ‘Luxuries’ he has yet to enjoy and no doubt would be a plus for him.

Guess it’s a ‘faith’ thing, I’ve seen enough of him, and got enough faith in him to support a second season…..but my instincts tell me that may not happen.

I can see why people won’t agree though, obviously.

Good post agree with that it does equate to a bit of a gut feel that if he can clear out and bring in more it will get better however as you say that won't be an opinion shared by all.

[Greenio]

Personally, I'd keep him. For most of the reasons that Biffo said too.

I think he has capacity to improve with more time that I'm willing to give him.

It's all going to change come summer with a big revamp. I'd rather go into that revamp with stability and strategy than square one.

However, I too feel, that the club need to speak asap, like today, to gain control of the situation - back him or sack him now

[WestStandWillie]

Stability is required. We can’t keep punting managers every 6 months otherwise we’ll never be out of the so called “transitional period”

The reason we never got top 6 is that defence. So many late goals conceded due to the keystone cops across the backline mixed with a suspect keeper.

He improves those areas and somehow keeps hold of Myziane then we could come good. I fear the chance of the latter has now diminished.

[flash]

I wouldn't trust a coach who loses multiple late goals with buying me a fish supper, let alone signing players.

That blunder could cost us our Premiership status and several million pounds. Who in their right mind would be so stupid?

So everyone who wants him to stay is stupid?

[Northernhibee]

If Alan Stubbs had taken over the team that we had six months before his arrival as opposed to having something approaching a clean slate to build a new era, he would likely have gotten the sack in the summer.

The team is filled full of Ian Gordon approved failures that aren’t suited to this league. So much deadwood to shift before we can get a clear idea of what any manager wants to do.

[jeffers]

If Alan Stubbs had taken over the team that we had six months before his arrival as opposed to having something approaching a clean slate to build a new era, he would likely have gotten the sack in the summer.

The team is filled full of Ian Gordon approved failures that aren’t suited to this league. So much deadwood to shift before we can get a clear idea of what any manager wants to do.

I’m fairly confident Alan Stubbs would have done a better job with the squad Monty has had available to him, that’s more of a relevant discussion.

Who are all the Ian Gordon failures that aren’t suited to the league, apart from Tavares ? Unless you are meaning players who just aren’t good enough in which case I’d agree we have more than a few of them.

[SQHib]

I won’t be upset if he stays.
I was probably the first to suggest Monty for the job on here, based on my close observations of him with. CCM.

With the benefit of hindsight, I didn’t take his overall club inexperience into account enough.

Now I look back on it I see his early mistake in trying to replicate the way the Mariners …indeed nearly all the A League teams play…..open, possession style football….something that doesn’t work when teams ‘sit in’.

He learned from that and changed things.
.

Thnaks for that fred .. this is one of the things I had wondered before .. how did monty play at CCM ? More than top 6 / bottom 6 or impact subs or anything the thing that has grated me most about Montgomery is the possession based style of play he is trying to adopt - I understand the logic behind it but feel its hard to adopt in Scotland unless you really have the best of players ... to me any question to a manager at interview would be "right never mind beating celtic or rangers or the derby ( which IS a game in itself) you are going to get at least 8 teams out of the 12 coming to ER every home game and "sitting in" .. how you going to counteract that ?" .. now you can give monty as much time as you want but if his approach is still what I saw against St J last week its going to end in tears .. slow pedestrian build up from the back "possesion" football giving the back 3 of St J (inc creaking 30+ considine and mcgowan) all the time in the world with the game in front of them .. that needs to change regardless and I don't know if he wants to or can shift to do that .. that is my worry ... we can't "play" these teams off the park .. we're not Man City

[Donegal Hibby]

I think he'll know now what players will need to be moved on as part of a clear out and probably the club has already started to identify signing targets he wants .

I'd give him the summer and his first pre-season at our club which I think is the minimum most managers need . I get why folk want him out though I don't think he's had enough time in one window to have the opportunity of a clear out and get his own players in .

[allezsauzee]

The only reason I can think of is that each time we've sacked a manager in the last 4 years we've somehow managed to replace him with someone worse.

[hibsbollah]

I won’t be upset if he stays.
I was probably the first to suggest Monty for the job on here, based on my close observations of him with. CCM.

With the benefit of hindsight, I didn’t take his overall club inexperience into account enough.

Now I look back on it I see his early mistake in trying to replicate the way the Mariners …indeed nearly all the A League teams play…..open, possession style football….something that doesn’t work when teams ‘sit in’.

He learned from that and changed things.
One of his remits was to develop young players, and he gave a few a start…..but it cost us, and while I’m sure he will continue to nurture them…I’m pretty sure also that he won’t sacrifice many points in doing it in future.

I,’ve got no doubt if retained MontyMark 2 will be improved due to lessons learned.

Every manager will tell you that they learned something at each club they worked at and I think he learned plenty at Hibs.

It’s not all whitewash though…..I think he needs to reflect on the point that there may not be a need to make substitutes regardless at the 60th or 70th minute……..and be careful who he puts on as ‘impact’ subs…some instances have left me baffled.

He’s made mistakes…all coaches do…and those mistakes will weigh on his shoulders into next season if he remains…no question.

But the benefit of a fair dinkum summer transfer window, and a full preseason are ‘Luxuries’ he has yet to enjoy and no doubt would be a plus for him.

Guess it’s a ‘faith’ thing, I’ve seen enough of him, and got enough faith in him to support a second season…..but my instincts tell me that may not happen.

I can see why people won’t agree though, obviously.

Thats a fair and honest take.

[allezsauzee]

I think he'll know now what players will need to be moved on as part of a clear out and probably the club has already started to identify signing targets he wants .

I'd give him the summer and his first pre-season at our club which I think is the minimum most managers need . I get why folk want him out though I don't think he's had enough time in one window to have the opportunity of a clear out and get his own players in .

He got to sign 6 of his own players in January, mostly in positions we were relatively well off in. I'm not saying Marcondes and Myziane weren't better than we had but we were ok for attacking options. It was a big red flag for me that when it was clear that he was getting financial backing to sign some quality that he didn't bring in a proven centre half.

[Stevie Reid]

Apologies misread that

No bother at all WH!

[jeffers]

Maybe a bit extreme but I wonder if Butcher was our manager now there would be some posters coming on here saying we shouldn’t sack him ‘cos we we’ve sacked too many managers recently and he needs a chance to bring his own players in….

[flash]

Maybe a bit extreme but I wonder if Butcher was our manager now there would be some posters coming on here saying we shouldn’t sack him ‘cos we we’ve sacked too many managers recently and he needs a chance to bring his own players in….

Too far Jeffers, too far.

[jeffers]

Too far Jeffers, too far.

:greengrin I’m sure there would be a few.

[hibsbollah]

Maybe a bit extreme but I wonder if Butcher was our manager now there would be some posters coming on here saying we shouldn’t sack him ‘cos we we’ve sacked too many managers recently and he needs a chance to bring his own players in….

Its not really a fair comparison, Butcher had told his senior players they werent good enough and had stopped playing for him and we were hurtling tiwards a relegation we wouldnt get back from for 3 years. Not binning him at that point was pure negligence. There’s not the same urgency as then because we have a cushion and the only question is, do we give a new guy the final 5 games to bed in or persevere with Monty?

[richard_pitts]

Thats a fair and honest take.

I am a keeper because i think he deserves a window and pre-season to implement his game plan. We are better than the three straight defeats at the start of the season.

However, we need a serious clear out - there are too many players not of the required standard. I am concerned about our game management (Hearts for example would have won that game 1-0) and lack of pace. Not sure if he cannot get the current players to play that way or if it's his tactics.

Furthermore if he does go, the whole footballing structure, in particular those responsible for three duff appointments in a row, also go.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Maybe a bit extreme but I wonder if Butcher was our manager now there would be some posters coming on here saying we shouldn’t sack him ‘cos we we’ve sacked too many managers recently and he needs a chance to bring his own players in….

There would be, I’ve no doubt about that.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there was people back then advocating keeping him.

[The Tubs]

I’m fairly confident Alan Stubbs would have done a better job with the squad Monty has had available to him, that’s more of a relevant discussion.

Who are all the Ian Gordon failures that aren’t suited to the league, apart from Tavares ? Unless you are meaning players who just aren’t good enough in which case I’d agree we have more than a few of them.

I'm confident too that Stubbs would have done a far better job than Butcher with Fenlon's squad. Some nutters even wanted to keep Butcher after relegation.

[Cat Stanton]

I won’t be upset if he stays.
I was probably the first to suggest Monty for the job on here, based on my close observations of him with. CCM.

With the benefit of hindsight, I didn’t take his overall club inexperience into account enough.

Now I look back on it I see his early mistake in trying to replicate the way the Mariners …indeed nearly all the A League teams play…..open, possession style football….something that doesn’t work when teams ‘sit in’.

He learned from that and changed things.
One of his remits was to develop young players, and he gave a few a start…..but it cost us, and while I’m sure he will continue to nurture them…I’m pretty sure also that he won’t sacrifice many points in doing it in future.

I,’ve got no doubt if retained MontyMark 2 will be improved due to lessons learned.

Every manager will tell you that they learned something at each club they worked at and I think he learned plenty at Hibs.

It’s not all whitewash though…..I think he needs to reflect on the point that there may not be a need to make substitutes regardless at the 60th or 70th minute……..and be careful who he puts on as ‘impact’ subs…some instances have left me baffled.

He’s made mistakes…all coaches do…and those mistakes will weigh on his shoulders into next season if he remains…no question.

But the benefit of a fair dinkum summer transfer window, and a full preseason are ‘Luxuries’ he has yet to enjoy and no doubt would be a plus for him.

Guess it’s a ‘faith’ thing, I’ve seen enough of him, and got enough faith in him to support a second season…..but my instincts tell me that may not happen.

I can see why people won’t agree though, obviously.

Agree with that. Similarly agree with Pat Nevin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hibernian.

[mixumatosis]

I think we need to be honest and accept that for all the good quality additions in January, the squad have to take part of the blame for where we are now. The defence, in particular, are not good enough (and i accept that NM may need to accept at least some of the blame for not recruiting for those positions, though who knows how much say our managers have in transfer dealings nowadays).

Now, any one of us in our own work lives, if we had a new manager brought in, would expect to be given the chance to prove ourselves and to not be judged on the views of that manager's predecessor. The same is true when it comes to our squad. If a new manager comes in you would expect they would want time to assess the players at their disposal and reach their own decision based on seeing them at close quarters, not just on what they might have seen for 90 mins a week. I think sometimes folk think that saying "we go back to square one" is just a phrase, but this is what i take it to mean - that process has to be allowed to happen and that takes time, during which we don't progress.

I'd expect NM to be well down that road now and to know exactly who he thinks is up to the task and who needs to go. If he stays i'd want to see a number of 1st team players being moved on and replaced with better this summer. On the other hand, if he's going to be replaced it needs done immediately, to give the new man time to assess the squad over the next 5 games and to give them that chance to prove they deserve to stay.

I don't honestly know which side of that fence i'm on right now, but it will be the worst of both worlds if we sack him at the end of the season.

[JimBHibees]

Agree with that. Similarly agree with Pat Nevin: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/hibernian.

Good words from Pat imo.

[Brizo]

I won’t be upset if he stays.
I was probably the first to suggest Monty for the job on here, based on my close observations of him with. CCM.

With the benefit of hindsight, I didn’t take his overall club inexperience into account enough.

Now I look back on it I see his early mistake in trying to replicate the way the Mariners …indeed nearly all the A League teams play…..open, possession style football….something that doesn’t work when teams ‘sit in’.

He learned from that and changed things.
One of his remits was to develop young players, and he gave a few a start…..but it cost us, and while I’m sure he will continue to nurture them…I’m pretty sure also that he won’t sacrifice many points in doing it in future.

I,’ve got no doubt if retained MontyMark 2 will be improved due to lessons learned.

Every manager will tell you that they learned something at each club they worked at and I think he learned plenty at Hibs.

It’s not all whitewash though…..I think he needs to reflect on the point that there may not be a need to make substitutes regardless at the 60th or 70th minute……..and be careful who he puts on as ‘impact’ subs…some instances have left me baffled.

He’s made mistakes…all coaches do…and those mistakes will weigh on his shoulders into next season if he remains…no question.

But the benefit of a fair dinkum summer transfer window, and a full preseason are ‘Luxuries’ he has yet to enjoy and no doubt would be a plus for him.

Guess it’s a ‘faith’ thing, I’ve seen enough of him, and got enough faith in him to support a second season…..but my instincts tell me that may not happen.

I can see why people won’t agree though, obviously.

A lot of good points and top marks for getting the phrase "fair dinkum" in :greengrin.

I dont feel that Montgomery has LJ levels of arrogance so he might learn from his mistakes however he's also displayed a certain level of stubbornness and a lack of pragmatism that hasn't changed so I'm 50/50 on whether he will learn from them.

You're right that it's all about faith and I've lost faith. I genuinely don't see him turning it around. The problem is that I've also no faith in our owners getting it right next time after our last three appointments.

Retaining him for "stability" reasons as other posters have suggested doesn't seem much of a case to make in his defence. Ultimately it'll be economic factors that determine his future. Regardless of how we perform in the bottom 6 fixtures I think a significant downturn in ST sales and take-up of existing and new corporate packages will seal his fate.

[Wilson]

Good words from Pat imo.

Don't agree with him. Sympathy for any coach drives his article and not any critical evaluation of what we're actually seeing.

Pat says "he's done enough". Not so sure about that, Pat. Not sure at all.

[jeffers]

Don't agree with him. Sympathy for any coach drives his article and not any critical evaluation of what we're actually seeing.

Pat says "he's done enough". Not so sure about that, Pat. Not sure at all.

Agreed. I’d have put more stock in his opinion if he’d come out with better reasons for sticking by him than he needs time or he’s done enough. Tell me what you’ve seen to make you believe he’ll improve things Pat.

[Since452]

Some views here i agree with especially Mickey Stewart and Preston.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/8-hibs-pundits-react-bottom-six-devastation-obvious-transfer-fix-4591243

[Paulie Walnuts]

Don't agree with him. Sympathy for any coach drives his article and not any critical evaluation of what we're actually seeing.

Pat says "he's done enough". Not so sure about that, Pat. Not sure at all.

Agree.

His comments also give off a suggestion that he was seconds away from success.

Obviously there would have been 5 games remaining, but just getting top 6 isn’t a success in itself. His comments read as if getting top 6 would have been job done,successful season with his done enough comments. In reality, that’s absolutely not the case.

[Unseen work]

Agree.

His comments also give off a suggestion that he was seconds away from success.

Obviously there would have been 5 games remaining, but just getting top 6 isn’t a success in itself. His comments read as if getting top 6 would have been job done,successful season with his done enough comments. In reality, that’s absolutely not the case.

He also speaks about how we ‘progressed’ in the cups as some form of positive.

A semi and quarter final are no where near being considered positive.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He also speaks about how we ‘progressed’ in the cups as some form of positive.

A semi and quarter final are no where near being considered positive.

I think the cups are at a point of being ‘neutral’ so to speak for me.

If you don’t consider the fixtures and you just consider what stage you got to, then the league cup probably has to be considered a success whilst the Scottish cup has to be deemed a failure.

If you do consider the fixtures though, then I’d say the league cup has to be considered a failure given we got knocked out to the side in 9th place who had 10 men. On the flip side though, the Scottish Cup probably has to be considered as acceptable to an extent because we beat the teams we should have beat and lost to Rangers.

Either way though, I’m not sure either of the cup runs is all that much to shout about, both in a positive and negative sense.

[WeeRussell]

I think the cups are at a point of being ‘neutral’ so to speak for me.

If you don’t consider the fixtures and you just consider what stage you got to, then the league cup probably has to be considered a success whilst the Scottish cup has to be deemed a failure.

If you do consider the fixtures though, then I’d say the league cup has to be considered a failure given we got knocked out to the side in 9th place who had 10 men. On the flip side though, the Scottish Cup probably has to be considered as acceptable to an extent because we beat the teams we should have beat and lost to Rangers.

Either way though, I’m not sure either of the cup runs is all that much to shout about, both in a positive and negative sense.

Pretty much agree with that.

[Northernhibee]

As much as people accuse me of making excuses for the manager, forgetting about circumstances in regards to these is making excuses against the manager.

Boyle scored a perfectly good goal in that semi final, and it was chalked off. It took two dodgy red cards in the SC game against Rangers to see us out of contention.

Awful bordering on suspicious refereeing decisions in the league this season can’t be far off having cost us between 8-10 points. That would comfortably have seen us in the mix for Europe.


There have been way too many individual errors in the team, but what we’ve been subjected to this season has been a disgrace. There’s a balance that some people ignore.

[hibsbollah]

As much as people accuse me of making excuses for the manager, forgetting about circumstances in regards to these is making excuses against the manager.

Boyle scored a perfectly good goal in that semi final, and it was chalked off. It took two dodgy red cards in the SC game against Rangers to see us out of contention.

Awful bordering on suspicious refereeing decisions in the league this season can’t be far off having cost us between 8-10 points. That would comfortably have seen us in the mix for Europe.


There have been way too many individual errors in the team, but what we’ve been subjected to this season has been a disgrace. There’s a balance that some people ignore.

:agree: In all my years of watching ive never seen a season like it for decisions. And its not just about VAR either.

[Ronniekirk]

He got to sign 6 of his own players in January, mostly in positions we were relatively well off in. I'm not saying Marcondes and Myziane weren't better than we had but we were ok for attacking options. It was a big red flag for me that when it was clear that he was getting financial backing to sign some quality that he didn't bring in a proven centre half.
Yet Myziane has been our top scorer since he arrived

[Donegal Hibby]

He got to sign 6 of his own players in January, mostly in positions we were relatively well off in. I'm not saying Marcondes and Myziane weren't better than we had but we were ok for attacking options. It was a big red flag for me that when it was clear that he was getting financial backing to sign some quality that he didn't bring in a proven centre half.

The midfield has been toiling for numerous seasons and imo was the area we most needed to fix . We needed a 10 as we had been playing Vente there at times . 4 out of the 6 we signed in January were midfielders . Don't think we were ever going to solve all our problems in a window that most clubs don't want to lose there best players in .

It will be easier done in the summer with a proper pre-season to help the new players settle in . Wither Monty gets the chance of that I don't know though I hope he does . Interesting read here .

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-board-managerial-change-nick-montgomery-instability-4591360

[Paulie Walnuts]

The midfield has been toiling for numerous seasons and imo was the area we most needed to fix . We needed a 10 as we had been playing Vente there at times . 4 out of the 6 we signed in January were midfielders . Don't think we were ever going to solve all our problems in a window that most clubs don't want to lose there best players in .

It will be easier done in the summer with a proper pre-season to help the new players settle in . Wither Monty gets the chance of that I don't know though I hope he does . Interesting read here .

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-board-managerial-change-nick-montgomery-instability-4591360

I do find the idea that sacking him will lead to instability. There’s absolutely nothing resembling positive stability at Hibs with Montgomery at the helm.

[JimBHibees]

Don't agree with him. Sympathy for any coach drives his article and not any critical evaluation of what we're actually seeing.

Pat says "he's done enough". Not so sure about that, Pat. Not sure at all.

Fair enough it is his opinion

[Donegal Hibby]

I do find the idea that sacking him will lead to instability. There’s absolutely nothing resembling positive stability at Hibs with Montgomery at the helm.

There wasn't any positive stability under McInnes in his first year back either though given time he turned it around maybe that's what Monty needs too .

[Paulie Walnuts]

There wasn't any positive stability under McInnes in his first year back either though given time he turned it around maybe that's what Monty needs too .

No matter how many times you repeat it, keeping a newly promoted team up by 9 points is fairly stable.

[JimBHibees]

He also speaks about how we ‘progressed’ in the cups as some form of positive.

A semi and quarter final are no where near being considered positive.

Especially the Scottish having beaten two lower league teams though no doubt we weren’t allowed to beat Rangers. Should undoubtedly have got to league cup final though.

[Donegal Hibby]

No matter how many times you repeat it, keeping a newly promoted team up by 9 points is fairly stable.

If you say so though some of the Killie fans weren't happy at the time and the Kille board could have well questioned what direction the club were going in after losing 62 goals , 20 games out of 38 in there first season back . I don't think it's against the possibility the Killie board could have reacted in a different way .

Fair dues to them for sticking with him through a really difficult season though . I think there's a lesson for us all in sacking a manager before he's had a proper chance to rebuild the squad especially one that's been failing repeatedly.

[andrew70]

If you say so though some of the Killie fans weren't happy at the time and the Kille board could have well questioned what direction the club were going in after losing 62 goals , 20 games out of 38 in there first season back . I don't think it's against the possibility the Killie board could have reacted in a different way .

Fair dues to them for sticking with him through a really difficult season though . I think there's a lesson for us all in sacking a manager before he's had a proper chance to rebuild the squad especially one that's been failing repeatedly.

100% finally some sanity.

[HappyAsHellas]

I think he has to go as he's done nothing at all to showcase his own beliefs or system. After January the squad was significantly strengthened and yet our best two performances of the season were against Luzern. His substitutions are incredible for all the wrong reasons and his slow ponderous style of play is mind numbingly boring. In short, there is not one single redeeming feature that would make me want to keep him.

[hibeerealist]

If you say so though some of the Killie fans weren't happy at the time and the Kille board could have well questioned what direction the club were going in after losing 62 goals , 20 games out of 38 in there first season back . I don't think it's against the possibility the Killie board could have reacted in a different way .

Fair dues to them for sticking with him through a really difficult season though . I think there's a lesson for us all in sacking a manager before he's had a proper chance to rebuild the squad especially one that's been failing repeatedly.


Yes there is a lesson to be learned here, don't sit on yer hands hoping things will get better! Act and take control, the current manager has NOT been a good appointment he has had all but the first three league games and we are a poor side. In addition to being poor we are bad to watch, slow, eye bleeding stuff and the bulk of our support have given up on him as a result.

We do not want to get rid just for the sake of it, he has failed yet there are still the undecided urging a decision to stick.

I cannot see any way NM survives this and most likely a decision has already been agreed between our shareholders.

[Hibernia&Alba]

No, I want him gone. I’m not saying he’s terrible, but I don’t think he will improve us. His football is boring; everything just feels flat at the club. Nothing personal against the man; I just think we should be doing better. Thanks for trying, but he isn’t for us.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If you say so though some of the Killie fans weren't happy at the time and the Kille board could have well questioned what direction the club were going in after losing 62 goals , 20 games out of 38 in there first season back . I don't think it's against the possibility the Killie board could have reacted in a different way .

Fair dues to them for sticking with him through a really difficult season though . I think there's a lesson for us all in sacking a manager before he's had a proper chance to rebuild the squad especially one that's been failing repeatedly.

It wasn’t a ‘really difficult season’. It’s exactly the kind of season you’d expect from a newly promoted team. They consolidated their place in the league by 9 points. Job done.

You constantly refer to it as if the fact he didn’t get them top 4 last season is a failure. He got them promoted from a position where it looked far from certain they would. He then kept them up comfortably, which is really what’s to be expected from a newly promoted club with a budget like Kilmarnock.

He’s provided stability at Kilmarnock by doing everything asked of him and then exceeding it. Montgomery is providing complete instability at Hibs by missing targets which has a huge knock on effect going forward.

Sacking him may give us a bit of instability. But keeping him has also done exactly that. Well now be having to look at the players we were wanting to sign, re-evaluate who is likely to want to come to us considering we’re a bottom 6 side with no European football etc. That’s not stability, that’s throwing evrrythng up in the air.

[Donegal Hibby]

Yes there is a lesson to be learned here, don't sit on yer hands hoping things will get better! Act and take control, the current manager has NOT been a good appointment he has had all but the first three league games and we are a poor side. In addition to being poor we are bad to watch, slow, eye bleeding stuff and the bulk of our support have given up on him as a result.

We do not want to get rid just for the sake of it, he has failed yet there are still the undecided urging a decision to stick.

I cannot see any way NM survives this and most likely a decision has already been agreed between our shareholders.

Things can only get better once the managers has had time to have a clear out and recruit his own players which was never going to all happen in the January window.

The last 3 managers and now Monty too , folk have been complaining about the football that was/is being played yet quite a lot on here want to appoint Derek McInnes as manager. Takes some working out that one btw :confused:

[Paulie Walnuts]

Things can only get better once the managers has had time to have a clear out and recruit his own players which was never going to all happen in the January window.

The last 3 managers and now Monty too , folk have been complaining about the football that was/is being played yet quite a lot on here want to appoint Derek McInnes as manager. Takes some working out that one btw :confused:

Things can only get better once the manager has had a clear out? :confused:

Take Derek McInnes, just because you mentioned him in your post. He came in and improved things. Didn’t need to have a mass clear out, didn’t need lots of windows. He came in and improved on the previous manager instantly.

A decent manager can improve things instantly.

[Donegal Hibby]

Things can only get better once the manager has had a clear out? :confused:

Take Derek McInnes, just because you mentioned him in your post. He came in and improved things. Didn’t need to have a mass clear out, didn’t need lots of windows. He came in and improved on the previous manager instantly.

A decent manager can improve things instantly.

Again Killie winning the championship I'd expect . And again he struggled with Kilmarnock on their return .

Here's a direct quote from him after getting promoted .... We don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves but what we do want to do is make sure we are not in a position next season where we are fighting relegation again.

Which is exactly WHAT THEY WERE THAT SEASON.... It was only after being given time in the following summer did McInnes improve the Killie team which is why this season he's doing good .

Since Derek McInnes has been appointed at Killie he's had about 3 transfer windows , two preseasons to get were they are today .

Our managers had 1 which is the worst and no pre-season as well as taking us over when bottom of the league.

Kilmarnock football club deserve enormous credit for sticking with their manager and at least giving him a fair chance to turn things around when they were struggling.

The way we have been going with managers I doubt we would have given McInnes the same time in their position or even now for that matter too.

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/1262292/derek-mcinnes-confident-he-has-improved-his-kilmarnock-squad.html

[Paulie Walnuts]

Again Killie winning the championship I'd expect . And again he struggled with Kilmarnock on their return .

Here's a direct quote from him after getting promoted .... We don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves but what we do want to do is make sure we are not in a position next season where we are fighting relegation again.

Which is exactly WHAT THEY WERE THAT SEASON.... It was only after being given time in the following summer did McInnes improve the Killie team which is why this season he's doing good .

Since Derek McInnes has been appointed at Killie he's had about 3 transfer windows , two preseasons to get were they are today .

Our managers had 1 which is the worst and no pre-season as well as taking us over when bottom of the league.

Kilmarnock football club deserve enormous credit for sticking with their manager and at least giving him a fair chance to turn things around when they were struggling.

The way we have been going with managers I doubt we would have given McInnes the same time in their position or even now for that matter too.

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/1262292/derek-mcinnes-confident-he-has-improved-his-kilmarnock-squad.html

You say you’d expect Killie to win the championship, that’s not the point though. You said you can only improve once you get to have a clear out. McInnes improved them without a clear out and coming in in the middle of the window that you claim is so hard to do business in.

I would expect Hibs to get Europe. Montgomery didn’t manage that though, yet you are insistent that McInnes managing to do what was expected of him is evidence of some form of struggle.

They finished 9 points clear of relegation. That’s not fighting relegation. They finished with about 30% more points than the team that got relegated. They finished with a points total that wouldn’t have come close to getting them relegated in any previous season. They even finished with a points total that left them 6 clear of the playoff, and a points total that also would never have come close to putting them in the playoff in previous seasons either.

You’re on another thread where someone has suggested we are in danger of dropping into the playoffs where you declared that the odds may as well be a million to one and you’ve more chance of winning the lottery. We’re 9 points ahead of that position. Yet you’re insistent that McInnes was battling relegation despite being 9 points clear of relegation. So, which is it?

Has Montgomery taken Hibs from European football last season to battling to avoid the playoffs this season?

I also note that McInnes has noted in the article you’ve linked that he met his targets last season, again, something which you continuously suggest he didn’t do and that he had a poor season where they would have expected more of him.

[Victor]

Again Killie winning the championship I'd expect . And again he struggled with Kilmarnock on their return .

Here's a direct quote from him after getting promoted .... We don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves but what we do want to do is make sure we are not in a position next season where we are fighting relegation again.

Which is exactly WHAT THEY WERE THAT SEASON.... It was only after being given time in the following summer did McInnes improve the Killie team which is why this season he's doing good .

Since Derek McInnes has been appointed at Killie he's had about 3 transfer windows , two preseasons to get were they are today .

Our managers had 1 which is the worst and no pre-season as well as taking us over when bottom of the league.

Kilmarnock football club deserve enormous credit for sticking with their manager and at least giving him a fair chance to turn things around when they were struggling.

The way we have been going with managers I doubt we would have given McInnes the same time in their position or even now for that matter too.

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/sport/1262292/derek-mcinnes-confident-he-has-improved-his-kilmarnock-squad.html

I agree with this. We are too quick to dismiss Managers without giving them a chance. There is no other job, where someone with less than a year in post, would be facing calls for his dismissal. NM has, very quickly, had to get results with a team of players he had no prior knowledge of in a league he had no prior knowledge of. It was the Club that chose him and put him in this position. Have results been great’ no. But let’s give the guy a chance to get things right, with a summer transfer window and a (almost) full preseason. There is no guarantee that any manager, Derek McInnes included, is going to be able to hit the ground running. He has shown in Australia that he can manage a team to success. So my opinion is, that he should stay.

[KWJ]

All the things I liked about him in his first 3 months in the job are no longer present.

We were likely to concede goals but we were exciting going forward and played some lovely stuff. For the past 3-4 months the former is still the same and the excitement has pretty much evaporated despite having better players.

Normally I'd agree that a manger deserves time but this one haunts me of Butcher the way we are regressing.

[Since452]

I agree with this. We are too quick to dismiss Managers without giving them a chance. There is no other job, where someone with less than a year in post, would be facing calls for his dismissal. NM has, very quickly, had to get results with a team of players he had no prior knowledge of in a league he had no prior knowledge of. It was the Club that chose him and put him in this position. Have results been great’ no. But let’s give the guy a chance to get things right, with a summer transfer window and a (almost) full preseason. There is no guarantee that any manager, Derek McInnes included, is going to be able to hit the ground running. He has shown in Australia that he can manage a team to success. So my opinion is, that he should stay.

It's not any other job though it's football and you need to very quickly show you are up to it. Makes you wonder what bull**** he said in his interview to make the club think he was the right man. I get the impression Kensell and Gordon would believe anything they're told. No sympathy for Montgomery whatsoever. He took the job and has not delivered.

[easty]

I agree with this. We are too quick to dismiss Managers without giving them a chance. There is no other job, where someone with less than a year in post, would be facing calls for his dismissal. NM has, very quickly, had to get results with a team of players he had no prior knowledge of in a league he had no prior knowledge of. It was the Club that chose him and put him in this position. Have results been great’ no. But let’s give the guy a chance to get things right, with a summer transfer window and a (almost) full preseason. There is no guarantee that any manager, Derek McInnes included, is going to be able to hit the ground running. He has shown in Australia that he can manage a team to success. So my opinion is, that he should stay.

We’ve had more prime ministers than Hibs managers last few years, and there’s no many folk arguing Rishi should get a chance to get it right. Liz Truss got about a half day in the job before it was clear she was a numpty and had to go.

Monty took a team who were doing well in Australia and done well with them. They’re still doing well without him.

[chrisski33]

Despite all the so called improvement in some performances we are in the bottom 6 and for that alone means he needs to go. Johnson even got us into the top 6 (just). I actually thought Monty was the answer for a while but willing to admit he isnt.

[Skol]

I would prefer Monty to say, but let’s say he goes. Who do we get.

I don’t believe mcinnes would leave Kilmarnock. Why would he. He doesn’t need the money. He has already shown loyalty is important to hi. He would be setting himself up to fail. He can continue to do well with killie.

Hibs would be mad to appoint Lennon and that’s not going to happen.

That leaves us with Robinson and docherty. Whilst each have positives, they could easily be no improvement.

I know I am in a minority but I have seen enough to believe Monty can be the right man. I get it’s been a below average season and there have been few stand out games. There have been stand out elements within games. Albeit some horror shows as well.

[007]

You say you’d expect Killie to win the championship, that’s not the point though. You said you can only improve once you get to have a clear out. McInnes improved them without a clear out and coming in in the middle of the window that you claim is so hard to do business in.

I would expect Hibs to get Europe. Montgomery didn’t manage that though, yet you are insistent that McInnes managing to do what was expected of him is evidence of some form of struggle.

They finished 9 points clear of relegation. That’s not fighting relegation. They finished with about 30% more points than the team that got relegated. They finished with a points total that wouldn’t have come close to getting them relegated in any previous season. They even finished with a points total that left them 6 clear of the playoff, and a points total that also would never have come close to putting them in the playoff in previous seasons either.

You’re on another thread where someone has suggested we are in danger of dropping into the playoffs where you declared that the odds may as well be a million to one and you’ve more chance of winning the lottery. We’re 9 points ahead of that position. Yet you’re insistent that McInnes was battling relegation despite being 9 points clear of relegation. So, which is it?

Has Montgomery taken Hibs from European football last season to battling to avoid the playoffs this season?

I also note that McInnes has noted in the article you’ve linked that he met his targets last season, again, something which you continuously suggest he didn’t do and that he had a poor season where they would have expected more of him.

Kilmarnock avoided the relegation playoff spot on the last day of the season finishing behind teams with smaller budgets. They get a big advantage playing on a plastic pitch and got 80% of their 40 points at home. They only got 8 points away from home.

[The Modfather]

I would prefer Monty to say, but let’s say he goes. Who do we get.

I don’t believe mcinnes would leave Kilmarnock. Why would he. He doesn’t need the money. He has already shown loyalty is important to hi. He would be setting himself up to fail. He can continue to do well with killie.

Hibs would be mad to appoint Lennon and that’s not going to happen.

That leaves us with Robinson and docherty. Whilst each have positives, they could easily be no improvement.

I know I am in a minority but I have seen enough to believe Monty can be the right man. I get it’s been a below average season and there have been few stand out games. There have been stand out elements within games. Albeit some horror shows as well.

Why do we have to limit ourselves to current SPL managers or previous managers?

I’m not that bothered if Monty stays or goes, I just want the squad gutted either way. We should be asking Bournemouth about managers they are keeping an eye on in their succession planning. Maybe managers still working their way up the ladder who would be obtainable or come to us as part of working their way up the Black Knight ladder.

[easty]

Kilmarnock avoided the relegation playoff spot on the last day of the season finishing behind teams with smaller budgets. They get a big advantage playing on a plastic pitch and got 80% of their 40 points at home. They only got 8 points away from home.

What teams, and what was the Killie budget in comparison to them?

[Skol]

Why do we have to limit ourselves to current SPL managers or previous managers?

I’m not that bothered if Monty stays or goes, I just want the squad gutted either way. We should be asking Bournemouth about managers they are keeping an eye on in their succession planning. Maybe managers still working their way up the ladder who would be obtainable or come to us as part of working their way up the Black Knight ladder.

That seemed to be the chat. Needs to be someone with proven experience in the spl.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Kilmarnock avoided the relegation playoff spot on the last day of the season finishing behind teams with smaller budgets. They get a big advantage playing on a plastic pitch and got 80% of their 40 points at home. They only got 8 points away from home.

Who had a smaller budget than them? How much smaller was it? They also finished above a team with an almost undoubtedly bigger budget than them in DU.

The playoff spot also isn’t relegation, as Donegal kept referring to. It’s a playoff spot. In terms of relegation as Donegal kept mentioning, they were nowhere near the relegation place.

At the end of the day, they finished miles ahead of Dundee United in the relegation spot and significantly ahead of Ross County in the playoff spot.

I couldn’t really care less where they gained their points. Their overall performance over the season lead to them avoiding relegation comfortably and avoiding the playoff by 6 points, again, a decent margin.

[Crab apple]

I'd like him fired now and a new manager brought in shortly after. He's failed to get us into the top six and I honestly don't see anything that suggests he'd improve things next season. The fact we didn't address our defensive deficiencies in January is unforgivable and he and probably others are culpable for this.

[007]

Who had a smaller budget than them? How much smaller was it? They also finished above a team with an almost undoubtedly bigger budget than them in DU.

The playoff spot also isn’t relegation, as Donegal kept referring to. It’s a playoff spot. In terms of relegation as Donegal kept mentioning, they were nowhere near the relegation place.

At the end of the day, they finished miles ahead of Dundee United in the relegation spot and significantly ahead of Ross County in the playoff spot.

I couldn’t really care less where they gained their points. Their overall performance over the season lead to them avoiding relegation comfortably and avoiding the playoff by 6 points, again, a decent margin.

St Johnstone and Livi have smaller budgets and possibly others, it was a while ago I looked it up. Yes the playoff spot isn't relegation and it isn't safety either. A Hibs fan should know that better than anyone. You claimed they finished 9 points clear of relegation which isn't strictly true is it? They finished 9 points clear of automatic relegation and avoided the playoff spot on the last day of the season.

I couldn't really care less whether or not you care where they got their points. The point still stands, they get a big advantage from their plastic pitch and could easily have been relegated without such an advantage. Yes they were 6 points ahead of Ross County, thanks to a win against them on the last day on said plastic, advantageous pitch. A loss would have had them in the playoffs as their goal difference was -27 compared to Ross County's -21 before the match.

[flash]

Some people going to incredible lengths to defend Kilmarnock having a poor season a couple of years back in a way they never would if it were the team they support.

What a time to be alive.

[Donegal Hibby]

Who had a smaller budget than them? How much smaller was it? They also finished above a team with an almost undoubtedly bigger budget than them in DU.

The playoff spot also isn’t relegation, as Donegal kept referring to. It’s a playoff spot. In terms of relegation as Donegal kept mentioning, they were nowhere near the relegation place.

At the end of the day, they finished miles ahead of Dundee United in the relegation spot and significantly ahead of Ross County in the playoff spot.

I couldn’t really care less where they gained their points. Their overall performance over the season lead to them avoiding relegation comfortably and avoiding the playoff by 6 points, again, a decent margin.

Going into the split that year I think both Killie and Dundee Utd were on something like 31 points each with Ross County on 27 points .

Dundee Utd went down having the same points going into the split as Killie so I think it's fair to say going into the last 5 games there was 3 clubs endanger of automatic relegation and the other two of a play off spot that could also lead to relegation too .

Again though the Kilmarnock board deserve enormous credit for sticking with McInnes that year considering how bad it was . Not many clubs nowadays stick with a manager that loses 6 out of his first 8 games in fairness. We sacked one for losing his first 3 ! .

As to your earlier questions of which is it ? Our situation going into the split is very much different to the one Killie had . Killie had also lost 20 games that season which is just about our combined wins and draws .

Really can't see Ross county winning 4 or 5 and us losing 4 or 5 in truth .

[Keepthefaith]

Things can only get better once the manager has had a clear out? :confused:

Take Derek McInnes, just because you mentioned him in your post. He came in and improved things. Didn’t need to have a mass clear out, didn’t need lots of windows. He came in and improved on the previous manager instantly.

A decent manager can improve things instantly.

this is the guy that got his team to just scrape ahead of a part time Arbroath side to go up at the death. imagine the seethe on here if that's how we got promoted. in fact, Lenny's promotion season was often dull with lots of draws and odd decisions...funny what you can then do when you give a manager another full season and a bit of backing as he then got us 3rd...

[Keepthefaith]

St Johnstone and Livi have smaller budgets and possibly others, it was a while ago I looked it up. Yes the playoff spot isn't relegation and it isn't safety either. A Hibs fan should know that better than anyone. You claimed they finished 9 points clear of relegation which isn't strictly true is it? They finished 9 points clear of automatic relegation and avoided the playoff spot on the last day of the season.

I couldn't really care less whether or not you care where they got their points. The point still stands, they get a big advantage from their plastic pitch and could easily have been relegated without such an advantage. Yes they were 6 points ahead of Ross County, thanks to a win against them on the last day on said plastic, advantageous pitch. A loss would have had them in the playoffs as their goal difference was -27 compared to Ross County's -21 before the match.

careful with using facts instead of biased opinion, that'll never go down well on here! :greengrin good points well made.:aok:

[Paulie Walnuts]

Going into the split that year I think both Killie and Dundee Utd were on something like 31 points each with Ross County on 27 points .

Dundee Utd went down having the same points going into the split as Killie so I think it's fair to say going into the last 5 games there was 3 clubs endanger of automatic relegation and the other two of a play off spot that could also lead to relegation too .

Again though the Kilmarnock board deserve enormous credit for sticking with McInnes that year considering how bad it was . Not many clubs nowadays stick with a manager that loses 6 out of his first 8 games in fairness. We sacked one for losing his first 3 ! .

As to your earlier questions of which is it ? Our situation going into the split is very much different to the one Killie had . Killie had also lost 20 games that season which is just about our combined wins and draws .

Really can't see Ross county winning 4 or 5 and us losing 4 or 5 in truth .

So now that it’s been established that he kept them up by a significant amount of points, the argument has now changed to him having not kept them up by a significant amount of points quick enough. He didn’t just need to keep them up, he also now should have done it with how many games to spare exactly? Seeing as DU had 30 points at the split, safety from relegation would have had to have had to have had Kilmarnock in the top 6. Expecting that sort of season from a newly promoted side is just daft really.

And again, it was 9 points. We’re 9 points clear and you’re claiming we should be a million to 1 to end up in the playoff. It can’t be a million to one for us and battling relegation for someone else. I can’t see Ross County winning 4 or 5 either. Considering they’re better than the DU side that went down last season, that shows how far ahead Kilmarnock were of DU.

I would also point out again, whilst you continue to claim ‘how bad it was’, that McInnes confirmed in that article you posted that he met his targets. So it’s safe to say Kilmarnock weren’t looking at it and thinking how bad it was. That’s just you because you’re determined to try and draw comparisons between a guy who has hit, and is now exceeding, every target given to him with a manager who has taken us to bottom 6 and has missed out on our main target spectacularly.

For someone you’re at pains to claim how he’s not really all that good a manager, you seem to have expected a hell of a lot more from him than anybody else did.

[Springbank]

He needs to learn how to deploy his players if he's to stay.

Saturday, 1 up, with Emiliano struggling, and maolida effective out wide, it seemed so obvious to Sub on Alf for emiliano, as he's a proper niggler to play against in any conditions.

It strengthens us

But instead we get the Levitt show

Fxxxing Levitt

[Paulie Walnuts]

St Johnstone and Livi have smaller budgets and possibly others, it was a while ago I looked it up. Yes the playoff spot isn't relegation and it isn't safety either. A Hibs fan should know that better than anyone. You claimed they finished 9 points clear of relegation which isn't strictly true is it? They finished 9 points clear of automatic relegation and avoided the playoff spot on the last day of the season.

I couldn't really care less whether or not you care where they got their points. The point still stands, they get a big advantage from their plastic pitch and could easily have been relegated without such an advantage. Yes they were 6 points ahead of Ross County, thanks to a win against them on the last day on said plastic, advantageous pitch. A loss would have had them in the playoffs as their goal difference was -27 compared to Ross County's -21 before the match.

So behind 2 teams with smaller budgets and ahead of 1.

They have a plastic pitch, you’re right. Would it be fair to say that gives them a huge disadvantage for the away games you’re so critical of?

A loss would have had them in the playoff. They didn’t lose though, much like they did have their pitch, so criticising him for results that didn’t even happen or how things may have gone had they not had a certain type of pitch shows how much you’re reaching. And the playoff isn’t relegation, so 9 points clear of relegation is absolutely strictly true.

[007]

Going into the split that year I think both Killie and Dundee Utd were on something like 31 points each with Ross County on 27 points .

Dundee Utd went down having the same points going into the split as Killie so I think it's fair to say going into the last 5 games there was 3 clubs endanger of automatic relegation and the other two of a play off spot that could also lead to relegation too .

Again though the Kilmarnock board deserve enormous credit for sticking with McInnes that year considering how bad it was . Not many clubs nowadays stick with a manager that loses 6 out of his first 8 games in fairness. We sacked one for losing his first 3 ! .

As to your earlier questions of which is it ? Our situation going into the split is very much different to the one Killie had . Killie had also lost 20 games that season which is just about our combined wins and draws .

Really can't see Ross county winning 4 or 5 and us losing 4 or 5 in truth .

It had looked even worse a game before the split but they managed to get a win on grass, having picked up only 2 points away from home in the previous 16 attempts.

https://i.ibb.co/r5t2rmW/Screenshot-20240416-223038-Gallery.jpg (https://ibb.co/qmnYQdZ)

[007]

So behind 2 teams with smaller budgets and ahead of 1.

They have a plastic pitch, you’re right. Would it be fair to say that gives them a huge disadvantage for the away games you’re so critical of?

A loss would have had them in the playoff. They didn’t lose though, so criticising him for results that didn’t even happen shows how much you’re reaching. And the playoff isn’t relegation. In fact the vast majority of the time, it doesn’t result in relegation.

At least 2 teams with a smaller budget. No it wouldn't be fair to say that playing at home on a plastic pitch gives them a huge disadvantage away. They played 21 games on plastic and 17 on grass.

I know the playoff spot isn't relegation, I didn't say it was. You did however claim he kept them up by 9 points which isn't true. You are trying to deny the playoff spot (which he avoided on the last day) isn't safety which shows how much you are reaching.

[Paulie Walnuts]

At least 2 teams with a smaller budget. No it wouldn't be fair to say that playing at home on a plastic pitch gives them a huge disadvantage away. They played 21 games on plastic and 17 on grass.

I know the playoff spot isn't relegation, I didn't say it was. You did however claim he kept them up by 9 points which isn't true. You are trying to deny the playoff spot (which he avoided on the last day) isn't safety which shows how much you are reaching.

And all the other teams play at least 34 on grass, double what Kilmarnock do. So they’re at a disadvantage.

But yes, you’re probably right. If they didn’t win games they won, like the game against Ross County, and they didn’t play on the pitch they play on, then they MAY have got relegated. They may have also won the league. Who knows. Kind of irrelevant really though.

[flash]

And all the other teams play at least 34 on grass, double what Kilmarnock do. So they’re at a disadvantage.

But yes, you’re probably right. If they didn’t win games they won, like the game against Ross County, and they didn’t play on the pitch they play on, then they MAY have got relegated. They may have also won the league. Who knows. Kind of irrelevant really though.

Why are you so bothered? This is utterly bizarre.

[Donegal Hibby]

It had looked even worse a game before the split but they managed to get a win on grass, having picked up only 2 points away from home in the previous 16 attempts.

https://i.ibb.co/r5t2rmW/Screenshot-20240416-223038-Gallery.jpg (https://ibb.co/qmnYQdZ)

That does look worse . The goal difference they had is really bad in all . Seem to remember they took a few hidings that year too .

[Donegal Hibby]

So now that it’s been established that he kept them up by a significant amount of points, the argument has now changed to him having not kept them up by a significant amount of points quick enough. He didn’t just need to keep them up, he also now should have done it with how many games to spare exactly? Seeing as DU had 30 points at the split, safety from relegation would have had to have had to have had Kilmarnock in the top 6. Expecting that sort of season from a newly promoted side is just daft really.

And again, it was 9 points. We’re 9 points clear and you’re claiming we should be a million to 1 to end up in the playoff. It can’t be a million to one for us and battling relegation for someone else. I can’t see Ross County winning 4 or 5 either. Considering they’re better than the DU side that went down last season, that shows how far ahead Kilmarnock were of DU.

I would also point out again, whilst you continue to claim ‘how bad it was’, that McInnes confirmed in that article you posted that he met his targets. So it’s safe to say Kilmarnock weren’t looking at it and thinking how bad it was. That’s just you because you’re determined to try and draw comparisons between a guy who has hit, and is now exceeding, every target given to him with a manager who has taken us to bottom 6 and has missed out on our main target spectacularly.

For someone you’re at pains to claim how he’s not really all that good a manager, you seem to have expected a hell of a lot more from him than anybody else did.

I hope it's not an argument but more a discussion of different views.

What we have established about significant amount of points they had is they were in a relegation battle and it took up until the final game for them to escape the play-offs. You have described it as being fairly stable and that it wasn't really a difficult season which I don't think it was in any shape nor form for Killie.

Again your comparing Killies 9 point gap over our current situation which isn't accurate imo , going into the game before the split Killie were 2nd bottom only a point of bottom with the worst goal difference too .In our situation going into the game before the split we were 21 points clear of bottom and 11 clear of the playoff position with us in 7th position. Surely you can see the difference in the two scenarios? .

He did say in the article that he met his targets though he also said after promotion ...... WE DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR AHEAD OF OURSELVES BUT WHAT WE DO WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION NEXT SEASON WHERE WE ARE FIGHTING RELEGATION AGAIN. Which is exactly what happened to them that year ! .

After the club stuck by him and give him more time in another Summer window he improved Kilmarnock , he says it in the article too!. I don't think Derek McInnes is bad manager , his record is good tbh though my own opinion which many will disagree with is his teams don't play particularly good football.

Though for me it's a good example of a club sticking with their manager in this case with losing 6 out of your first 8 games , losing 20 games out of 38 . Only scoring 37 , conceding 62. A few bad beatings from Dundee Utd, Ross county Livvy etc .

Fair dues to Killie in fairness for sticking with him though , now their reaping the rewards from it . Hopefully we can next year too under Monty if he's given more time like McInnes too 🤞👍