Sack or Keep

[GreenCastle]

Thoughts?

[Trinity Hibee]

Oh this should be good

[Callum_62]

I think he will be sacked

Can't argue given our now confirmed position

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[Pagan Hibernia]

I've been behind him from the start, but there's no way back now I'm afraid. Bottom 6 is unacceptable.

You can only use so many excuses for not winning games.

[Hibs90]

Sack him
Sack Kensell and McDermott as well.

**** show.

[Glory Lurker]

I'd sack everyone personally.

[Joe6-2]

Sack

[Niffy]

No charisma, no spark.... no ability to spark life into some half decent players.

[Hibees1973]

Kensell & Ian Gordon to deliver another sacking.

And where is the root of our problems. :wink:

[The Harp Awakes]

Not all his fault but there is just nothing there that merits keeping him. To the same extent there were no credentials for appointing him.

BK and IG to focus on solely on commercial activities with no involvement in football.

We need a complete new football department.

[Chip shop Joe]

The thing is it is not even just the results. The football is absolutely eye bleeding!

I actually quite like the guy, I really wanted him to do well but he 100% needs to go.

[Onion]

Think he's finished, whether we think he should be or not. Expect the hunt is already on for next manager.

[sleeping giant]

Sack.

[shamo9]

Sack. He's done nothing to suggest things will improve. No highlights, nothing to cling to, a downgrade on the sacked Johnson who had statement wins against Hearts, Celtic and Aberdeen (6-0), along with the wins in Europe and top 6.

There's nothing to redeem the ineptitude of Montgomery.

[LunasBoots]

Sack

[JimBHibees]

Would keep unless get someone obviously better

[Murphys Touch]

I want him gone and gone tonight. Wanted him gone months ago to be honest when he was no different to Maloney….refusing to change style!

However, it might be sensible to keep him in place to get one more result post split. A flicker of desperation/fight to keep his job and get the team fighting for him might be needed.

Empty him and having these guys down tools then we might just get caught up in a bit of bother

[6-2MAGIC]

Sack. He's done nothing to suggest things will improve. No highlights, nothing to cling to, a downgrade on the sacked Johnson who had statement wins against Hearts, Celtic and Aberdeen (6-0), along with the wins in Europe and top 6.

There's nothing to redeem the ineptitude of Montgomery.


Can’t disagree with what you’ve said at all. All facts stated

[Alan62]

Sadly, he has to go. He's just not up to the job.

[DIXIHIBS]

Sack unfortunately. I get the need for continuity etc but he's not the one to take us forward. New guy in asap to assess everything, get pre season and transfer window. If we keep Monty we could be looking at the same situation next season and looking for a change a month into the season. Got to go.

[jeffers]

Would keep unless get someone obviously better

I think even we’d struggle to find someone worse. Although I thought that when we sacked Johnson 🙈

[The Captain....]

He'll be sacked/mutual consent , only question is when.

Be best for all if it's quick, Monday morning for me. SDG in caretaker charge for rest of season.

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[Hibees1973]

Would keep unless get someone obviously better

Ask Ian Gordon to run the next appointment past you first to see if he is better.

[KingFranck]

If we sack the manager the whole coaching team need to be binned too.
Maybe the club need to stop spending money on hospitality cos there won't be many people wanting to go now !

[Green forever]

The whole coaching staff including SDG should be gone by Monday.

[Groathillgrump]

Another dud.

He should be given his P45 tonight.

[NC1875]

He'll be sacked/mutual consent , only question is when.

Be best for all if it's quick, Monday morning for me. SDG in caretaker charge for rest of season.

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SDG should be gone as well. Part of how many management team failures now ?

[CMac1988]

Can't vote on the mobile site and can't be hooped changing but sack all day long. Never have I questioned a managers tactics and substitutions more than Monty's. His decision making will have been his downfall more than anything else.

He's not the the only one who needs the bullet mind. I'm one of those who has defended Ben Kensall for all he's done with regards to the commercial side of the club in conjunction with the Gordon's. However the wage he's on can't be justified given given we.continue to fail at the most important aspect of the club. Football.

I've yet to see the fruits of HTC in all these years so find it incredible that adding a full-size indoor pitch is the first thing on the agenda with respects to the BK investment. Would start by ripping up anything and everything to do with the footballing department. That's not to say we don't need one but it's hardly going to turn our fortunes around and turn ***** players into good ones.

[seattlehibby]

sack

[we are hibs]

There isn't a justifiable reason for him to remain.



Kensell & Ian Gordon to deliver another sacking.

And where is the root of our problems. :wink:


Spot on. There needs to be clarity either official or unofficial that both Kensell and Gordon will never be near another managerial appointment and in Gordons case; nowhere near recruitment ever again. And that Foley/his people will be restructuring and clearing out the dead wood involved in the football side, mostly in the recruitment "committee".

[Crab apple]

We have woefully underperformed this season. The manager should be fired.

[Pretty Boy]

As I said on one of the other threads it's a sack for me, with an air of real sadness about it.

I thought he was a good one and it was a bold choice. It's not turned out to be the case and we should be ruthless sooner rather than later. There are still far too many of the same issues now that there were back in September. You can't just ignore them in the name of 'giving' time or for perceived stability.

[marinello59]

We have woefully underperformed this season. The manager should be fired.

And Kensell should leave as well.

[Murphys Touch]

I can believe this is my mindset but we’d be in top 6 and challenging for Europe with Lee J - who I didn’t rate in the slightest and thought he was a shocking appointment from the off.

Streaky Johnson would have more wins with this squad than Monty has - draws been a disaster and Monty has only himself to blame

[KazaHibs]

He's away. Either this week or end of season. It cannot last.

Monty, Kensell and McDermott must be crapping it!

[Hibrandenburg]

I don't call for managers to be sacked lightly but NM has to go. I can see no benefit in keeping him on until the end of the season, I'd rather give a new manager the chance to work with what we have before the next transfer window.

I've backed all our recent managers with the exception of Calderwood, Butcher and Maloney, NM is in that category.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Keep but empty Ben Kensell.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Sack him. The older I get the less patient I get and I just can't see him improving us even with a summer window.

Time for a new manager and an absolute clearing of the decks at HTC ... If that means SDG or anybody else having to move on then so be it.

[Hibees1973]

I can believe this is my mindset but we’d be in top 6 and challenging for Europe with Lee J - who I didn’t rate in the slightest and thought he was a shocking appointment from the off.

Streaky Johnson would have more wins with this squad than Monty has - draws been a disaster and Monty has only himself to blame

Johnson was a clown. But I agree with this.

Montgomery's lack of managerial experience at a decent level has been exposed. He is, in essence a rookie. Many of his worst decisions have been substitutions which when he made them, made no impression on the game or on numerous occasions made the result worse.

[Torto7062]

The thing is it is not even just the results. The football is absolutely eye bleeding!

I actually quite like the guy, I really wanted him to do well but he 100% needs to go.


This 100%

Was excited about seeing how we would do with....

[Quadrophenia]

I'm just shocked 10% want to keep him . Wish I could see what they do. Get rid by Monday .

[Jim44]

If we sack the manager the whole coaching team need to be binned too.
Maybe the club need to stop spending money on hospitality cos there won't be many people wanting to go now !

I think this is a very important. The emphasis is on the wrong priorities. Who cares about the fabric and quality of service when the product on the pitch consistently fails to deliver?

[K-Zazu]

Sacked. And that includes David Gray and the rest of the coaching staff. Enough is enough.

[Greenio]

I voted keep. I think he'll go though and thats not a mistake.

Get someone in quick though and i want someone other than McInnes and I 100% dont want Lennon

[Frazerbob]

I think this is a very important. The emphasis is on the wrong priorities. Who cares about the fabric and quality of service when the product on the pitch consistently fails to deliver?

The 2 are not linked. We can have great hospitality that will generate funds for years to come AND a team worthy of the club on the pitch. We've spent more of the squad this season than ever before. Lack of funds to the playing pool is not the reason for the latest shambles......it's having the wrong manager in place to work with that squad.

[leith lynx]

Sadly there has been no improvement, not a single chink of light. Hopefully a new experienced manager is in place by June, fresh ideas and some decent defenders. Let Bill Foley call the shots, we can't keep on drifting along like this.

[He's here!]

SDG should be gone as well. Part of how many management team failures now ?

Always done a solid job on the numerous occasions he's stepped into caretaker charge tho. Maybe now's his time to prove himself. Naismith's turned out well for Hearts after initially looking a dud in his first managerial role.

[sean04]

Not just monty. Clear out upstairs and behind the scenes aswell. He's under to much pressure now. Will be a repeat of LJ if we start next season poor

[Donegal Hibby]

Always done a solid job on the numerous occasions he's stepped into caretaker charge tho. Maybe now's his time to prove himself. Naismith's turned out well for Hearts after initially looking a dud in his first managerial role.

I voted keep . Though think he might go after today . If he did I'd give it to SDG until the end of the season. Chris Hogg would be another one I'd look at or a foreign manager like Aberdeen have .

Any names that have came up I see problems with , McInnes will eventually be turned on due to the style of football like Ross was . Lennon we have tried and it ended up a total disaster . Robinson again football style and I'd far rather give it to SDG over Murray or the Airdrie boss who's also been mentioned too .

If the manager does go I hope Kensell follows him out the door as he's been totally unprofessional in the past and is part of our current problems imo .

[green day]

10 % want to keep him.:rolleyes:

Its done, imv

[ruskers]

Utterly clueless excuse for a manager , sack him .

[Chorley Hibee]

It should be announced tonight.

Kensall should be leaving with him.

[supermcginn]

Sack, he should have been gone after losing last week to a dreadful St Johnstone team managed by a dinosaur.

[Mango Man]

I'm all up for giving managers a bit of time, if there is something to get behind, but there really has been nothing of note with Monty, a lot of things have not went his way this season, but he has failed to get on any kind of winning run going at any point, we have been fragile all season.

Massive clear out needed......again.

[Cabbage-Patch]

Sack him tonight, we owe him nothing so why wait until Monday like they usually do

[john rossi]

8 wins from 29 matches tells its own story afraid to say his time is up jan window badly needed 2 experienced defenders non brought in other than Triantis.

[WestCoastHibby]

Get him gone and sadly i include others in the staff too

[HIBS NUTS]

Keep

[ChuckNor]

He’s got to go. Unforgivable record in charge. Truly awful.

[Crazyhorse]

Sack him tonight, we owe him nothing so why wait until Monday like they usually do
I would agree with this but I suspect we have no one lined up.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Sack. And whilst others say they’ll be sad about it, I’ll be absolutely delighted. It’s been chronic from the minute he walked in the door.

[HibeeSince85]

Has to be sacked. Failure to make top six at Hibs should always cost a manager his job.

[CathroMustStay]

Sack Montgomery.

Pronto.

[Alfred E Newman]

Has to be sacked. Failure to make top six at Hibs should always cost a manager his job.

I would have thought that it would be made clear to any managerial candidate that the very least expected at Hibs is finishing the season in the top half of the league and failure to do that will have consequences.

[sauzee1989]

Sack him and get rid of every centre half we currently have at club too.

[Tambo]

Hes made some minor improvements to us but I'm 70/30 for the whole coaching team to be gone next season.

[Onceinawhile]

Cheerio.

[Logie]

Get him out. Can’t keep going round the loop but also can’t just stick with the wrong guy. Footballs dire under him and he is unable to influence games when needed.

[hibsfan7]

keep sack kenshall

[Baader]

It's not working and seen nothing to suggest it's going to improve. Suspect he's out of his depth but problems go beyond the manager. Top six really should be the minimum mandate for any manager at the club. He shouldn't be at the club for next season in my opinion.

[ruskers]

Utterly clueless excuse for a manager , sack him .

[Vini1875]

We have until the end of the season to find someone better and get them in before the transfer window opens. Then they have to get players in and ready for mid July and the League Cup group stages. I voted for sack but my gut feeling is the board are going to rough it out and stick with Monty. The plan being that we go with the targets already identified and re-shape the squad, specifically the defence.

We have scored 44 goals and hearts have scored 46, yet they are 23 points ahead of us. The vast majority of our problems are defensive. We are not far away from being a decent squad, just not sure if Monty can get us from mediocre to decent. The thing that really worries me about Monty is that we needed to win our last two games and we got a point. According to Monty we dropped 5 points to 3 shots on target, basically if you can shoot against Hibs you score.

[Mcbizz1998]

I’d sack him and I’m someone who was pleased with his appointment and defended him on here after a poor start.

If we don’t sack him I don’t see what can possibly change next season or why anyone in their right mind would renew their season ticket.

[LEaston87]

Sack

[Greensunshine]

Sack everyone! The club are a joke! Have been for a while now. I used to be a season ticket holder like many on here but I now only go now and then and it’s got to the point I’ll probably stop going all together now.

It’s painful being a Hibee! It has been for the majority of the time I’ve supported the club.

I’ve got better things to do on a Saturday than go to a borefest and come home constantly disappointed.

[LaMotta]

I can't believe I'm saying this but he is actually worse than Maloney - it has to be sack.

[joe breezy]

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[kiwihibby]

I voted keep . Though think he might go after today . If he did I'd give it to SDG until the end of the season. Chris Hogg would be another one I'd look at or a foreign manager like Aberdeen have .

Any names that have came up I see problems with , McInnes will eventually be turned on due to the style of football like Ross was . Lennon we have tried and it ended up a total disaster . Robinson again football style and I'd far rather give it to SDG over Murray or the Airdrie boss who's also been mentioned too .

If the manager does go I hope Kensell follows him out the door as he's been totally unprofessional in the past and is part of our current problems imo .
I think it would be beneficial to all if Monty goes and SDG gets the job (if he wants it!!) Need a manager who knows Hibs and Scottish football. There are also a few around who are of a Hibs background and could give a helping hand. As much as it hurts me to say, perhaps we should look at our city neighbours. They aren't doing too bad with an ex player in charge!!

[Forza Fred]

I’d be getting rid of a lot of players first.

I don’t think there would be anything other than a ‘sack him’ vote for any manager immediately after a game which banished us to the bottom six.

If you look through the posts the only person who’s head has NOT been called for yet is the groundsman.

Clearly, the vast majority of the players we have assembled are simply not good enough.

Before we sack the manager…….let’s look at the squad of players we have assembled where many of them have failed to perform adequately over not just this season, but longer.

We can and HAVE sacked manager after manager..but the main cause of our failure is recruitment.

[Stuart93]

I’d be getting rid of a lot of players first.

I don’t think there would be anything other than a ‘sack him’ vote for any manager immediately after a game which banished us to the bottom six.

If you look through the posts the only person who’s head has NOT been called for yet is the groundsman.

Clearly, the vast majority of the players we have assembled are simply not good enough.

Before we sack the manager…….let’s look at the squad of players we have assembled where many of them have failed to perform adequately over not just this season, but longer.

We can and HAVE sacked manager after manager..but the main cause of our failure is recruitment.

The “manager” should be getting more out of the players he has at his disposal

Johnson got more working with less resources and worse off squad

Stop defending a manger who’s win % is on par with Maloneys. He’s been a ****ing awful appointment

[JohnM1875]

I’d be getting rid of a lot of players first.

I don’t think there would be anything other than a ‘sack him’ vote for any manager immediately after a game which banished us to the bottom six.

If you look through the posts the only person who’s head has NOT been called for yet is the groundsman.

Clearly, the vast majority of the players we have assembled are simply not good enough.

Before we sack the manager…….let’s look at the squad of players we have assembled where many of them have failed to perform adequately over not just this season, but longer.

We can and HAVE sacked manager after manager..but the main cause of our failure is recruitment.

Have to disagree with that. Look at the starting XI, even today and last week against St Johnstone. No one will convince me our starring XI isn't much better and should be getting a result against them. Same against Ross County and Dundee etc.

This squad should absolutely be making top six.

[Forza Fred]

The “manager” should be getting more out of the players he has at his disposal

Johnson got more working with less resources and worse off squad

Stop defending a manger who’s win % is on par with Maloneys. He’s been a ****ing awful appointment

Two things relating to your post.

1 I wasn’t ‘defending’ anybody.

2 I’m quite comfortable if you agree or disagree with any opinions I may put forth, no matter how you may misconstrue them….but please don’t tell me what I should , or in this case should not do.

[Unseen work]

I’d be getting rid of a lot of players first.

I don’t think there would be anything other than a ‘sack him’ vote for any manager immediately after a game which banished us to the bottom six.

If you look through the posts the only person who’s head has NOT been called for yet is the groundsman.

Clearly, the vast majority of the players we have assembled are simply not good enough.

Before we sack the manager…….let’s look at the squad of players we have assembled where many of them have failed to perform adequately over not just this season, but longer.

We can and HAVE sacked manager after manager..but the main cause of our failure is recruitment.

We have good players, not a brilliant squad but good enough players to be far better than we are.

His issue is he’s got absolutely zero idea how to defend a lead or set a team up in a manner to hold on to a game.

Today we created a lot of good chances and should have scored more, but how many times have we said that. How many times have we had a lead and he’s had no idea how to make subs or implement a plan to see the game out?

A decent manager comes in, organises us and makes us hard to beat. If they done that with the forward players we have I’d be confident we’d win.

His first pick centre half, Triantis, came into the team at centre half, had a nightmare start and got dropped and then played centre mid since?! What?!

Clean sheets - 9 in 34 games, one against Forfar.

Conceded 2 or more goals in 17 of his games in charge!!! 50% of his games! That is madness.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Sack. The amount of games we have won is unacceptable. For me it's as simple as that.

[Stuart93]

Two things relating to your post.

1 I wasn’t ‘defending’ anybody.

2 I’m quite comfortable if you agree or disagree with any opinions I may put forth, no matter how you may misconstrue them….but please don’t tell me what I should , or in this case should not do.

I haven’t misconstrued what you’ve said

If you aren’t defending anyone then I’m not telling you what you should or should not do

Your post read a lot like you were solely blaming the players with none of the blame being placed on NM.

[silverhibee]

I think he will be sacked

Can't argue given our now confirmed position

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He will be gone by Monday tea time.

[Forza Fred]

We have good players, not a brilliant squad but good enough players to be far better than we are.

His issue is he’s got absolutely zero idea how to defend a lead or set a team up in a manner to hold on to a game.

Today we created a lot of good chances and should have scored more, but how many times have we said that. How many times have we had a lead and he’s had no idea how to make subs or implement a plan to see the game out?

A decent manager comes in, organises us and makes us hard to beat. If they done that with the forward players we have I’d be confident we’d win.

His first pick centre half, Triantis, came into the team at centre half, had a nightmare start and got dropped and then played centre mid since?! What?!

I don’t think anyone can say the manager is blameless….and I don’t see it as a them or him situation.
My point is that given that we have a highway of recently sacked or about to be sacked managers…maybe we also need to look beyond just the manager……otherwise we’ll be having the same conversation about another manager in 12 or 18 months.

Triantis by the way is a strange one……I’ve probably seen more of Triantis than most on here, and never considered him a ‘centre half’
A defender yes, but when he played for Mariners….which was really only one season…the ‘centre halves’ to me were Kaltak and Hall..who are still there…I always viewed Triantis as a defensive midfielder, so was surprised when talk of him playing at centre half came up.

[HerbDailly]

I'm not the type to turn on a manager easily, I'm still praying for a miracle, but I feel like it's maybe gone too far to win the fans back

[Unseen work]

He will be gone by Monday tea time.

Feel like you’re normally accurate with info, you heard something?

[Since452]

Sack. Hes way out is depth. He's not likeable either. Never his fault. Takes no responsibility for anything. Saying he wasn't here for pre season as an excuse is laughable and arrogant. A bit like his tactics.

[JohnM1875]

Can usually tell by the socials. If they're quiet today I think he'll be gone.

[ALF TUPPER]

Yeah get rid. Out of his depth. Another season of this is terrifying.

Season ticket ??? I'll wait Hibs.

[Hibees1973]

He comes across as cold and lacking enthusiasm. Mirrors the style of play we have under him.

I don't think he is arrogant. What on earth has he achieved to be arrogant about. Win some title with the likes of Jason Cummings in his side. Recently he has given the vibe that he would want to be on the first plane back down under with a nice wee severance pay in his tail.

Sadly, I think he is going to stay which depresses me to the core. Almost the same feeling of dread that I knew we were going to lose a late goal yesterday. I posted on the match day thread which 5 mins to go that I had a feeling we would bottle it. Him staying is more to do with Ian Gordon and Ben Kensell not wanting to go through yet another excruciating exercise of sacking him and recruiting another manager. There can be no other reason for them doing nowt.

It is revealing how many people have now opted to sack him, who previously backed him. Astonishingly, there are some whose reasons for him to stay are down to officials, deficiencies in the squad and that he should get more time.

Montgomery had ample resources, in the time he was here, to achieve the minimum target, top 6.

Any Hibs supporter I have spoken to, who crucially go to games and who have witnessed the guff on show this season all want him punted. Now.

[JimBHibees]

I think even we’d struggle to find someone worse. Although I thought that when we sacked Johnson 🙈

:greengrin

[Allant1981]

I'm in the not sure camp, he took over a shambles of a team when LJ was sacked, one transfer window was never going to solve anything but on the other hand his style of play is really boring and we haven't improved

[flash]

9 wins all season.
Beneath Killie, St Mirren and Dundee.
23 points behind Hertz with no Derby wins.
Baffling team selections and regular substitutions which make us worse.
An inability to win the games that matter most whilst producing slow tedious football for long periods.
Sadly he isn't the first manager to have a season like that but it's still completely unacceptable when you look at the above list.

[The Modfather]

A dead man walking, a matter of when not if unfortunately.

Yesterday shows the fine margins though. See that game out and we’re 2 points off 5th & Europe and probably favourites for 5th providing Rangers win. As it is we’re bottom 6 with little complaints over the piece.

Montgomery hasn’t done enough to make a positive case for him staying. However he’s also badly been let down over the season by individual mistakes. Again yesterday Youan decides to play for himself and not any of the other options to make it 2-0 and comfortably win the game. Or losing a goal to a long throw.

[SON OF PADDY]

Has to go now along with his back room staff and that includes SDG, enough is enough.

[SHODAN]

I was pleased with this appointment but it's my honest opinion that in terms of ability he may well be one of the worst in my time as a fan.

This "4-4-2 and I might change it if things are really ****" is straight out of the FM playbook, we appear to play with a set tempo regardless of the situation and his subs have been mind boggling. His game management in injury time speaks for itself.

There hasn't been a single landmark win or even a game I particularly enjoyed in his time as manager. If we keep him now he'll be gone a couple months into the next season and it'll be more ***** transition.

With the Foley money there has never been a time to rip the whole thing up and start again. Montgomery can go and there isn't a single player contracted to us that I would be bothered if they left with him.

[HFC93]

Can usually tell by the socials. If they're quiet today I think he'll be gone.

Yeah, if we don't post anything on social media today then he's screwed. Seems to be the protocol before we launch the manager.

[JohnM1875]

If we don't post anything on social media today then he's screwed. Seems to be the protocol before we launch the manager.

Just had a check, we didn't post anything last Sunday after the St Johnstone loss (other than a happy Birthday to Youan tweet). So silence today might mean nothing.

[Winston Ingram]

Would keep unless get someone obviously better

We’ll struggle to find someone worse.

[SteveHFC]

Just had a check, we didn't post anything last Sunday after the St Johnstone loss (other than a happy Birthday to Youan tweet). So silence today might mean nothing.

Hibs tweeted the Will Fish interview earlier but that’s it.

[JimBHibees]

We’ll struggle to find someone worse.

Disagree he hasn’t been that bad and with fair refs would be comfortably top 6.

[berwickhibee]

Get rid, failed to achieve the minimum.

[jakeshibs]

Think he's finished, whether we think he should be or not. Expect the hunt is already on for next manager.


no decent manager worth his salt would touch us

[Wilson]

Hibs tweeted the Will Fish interview earlier but that’s it.

Cryptic? Monty sleeps with the fishes? Think he's had his chips.

[Callum_62]

no decent manager worth his salt would touch usI don't think that's the case at all. Managers know football is fickle and there would be a tonne of interested managers wanting to take us over

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[Winston Ingram]

I don't think that's the case at all. Managers know football is fickle and there would be a tonne of interested managers wanting to take us over

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This

[Since452]

Hopefully there's news of his departure today. If not shows what our club find acceptable.

[Alex Trager]

Hopefully there's news of his departure today. If not shows what our club find acceptable.

Wouldn’t hold your breath mate.

Him attending last night tells you all you need to know imo.

The club is weak and accepts **** results.

[JimBHibees]

Wouldn’t hold your breath mate.

Him attending last night tells you all you need to know imo.

The club is weak and accepts **** results.

Personally don't think him attending the supporters club event will have any bearing on whether he is sacked or not. There would likely need to be a lot of chat/board meetings etc. We also have two weeks until the next game so no rush if they are to pull the trigger as such.

[flash]

Wouldn’t hold your breath mate.

Him attending last night tells you all you need to know imo.

The club is weak and accepts **** results.

Is that why we are on our 4th manager in about 3 years?

[we are hibs]

Hopefully there's news of his departure today. If not shows what our club find acceptable.

The club showed what they think is acceptable when they let a manager carry on despite our biggest rivals embarrassing us 3-0 home and away less than 3 weeks apart from each other last season. Any other club would've had the manager gone after those 2 results plus a poor start to the season.

[Phil MaGlass]

FFS, is he still manager?

[Spike Mandela]

Didn’t vote because my answer to what I think should happen is different to what I think WILL happen.

[TrinityHFC]

The club showed what they think is acceptable when they let a manager carry on despite our biggest rivals embarrassing us 3-0 home and away less than 3 weeks apart from each other last season. Any other club would've had the manager gone after those 2 results plus a poor start to the season.

Disagree with this one. We can’t react to one or two results or even just poor runs of form. Those will just always happen. We went on to have a very good end of season.

You need to see something though to understand that the team is being developed and that fans are still interested in coming to watch.

I think we are at the point now where we haven’t really seen anything very positive and we have gone backwards year on year. He’s a dead man walking at this point which is dangerous for the club in being able to get enthusiasm and ticket sales going.

ER will be dead until the end of the season. We can’t afford that to carry into next year.

[21.05.2016]

9 wins all season.
Beneath Killie, St Mirren and Dundee.
23 points behind Hertz with no Derby wins.
Baffling team selections and regular substitutions which make us worse.
An inability to win the games that matter most whilst producing slow tedious football for long periods.
Sadly he isn't the first manager to have a season like that but it's still completely unacceptable when you look at the above list.

Agree. I’m never usually one to jump on the manager out bandwagon quickly but that is really hard to defend. We have a team with some really decent players that should be doing better than they have. The question is why haven’t they?

Was quite excited when we first appointed Monty but as you say the above is just totally unacceptable.

[Since452]

9 wins all season.
Beneath Killie, St Mirren and Dundee.
23 points behind Hertz with no Derby wins.
Baffling team selections and regular substitutions which make us worse.
An inability to win the games that matter most whilst producing slow tedious football for long periods.
Sadly he isn't the first manager to have a season like that but it's still completely unacceptable when you look at the above list.

And one of those wins wasn't his.

[Carheenlea]

In the modern game, it’s a return and a failure to reach expected standards for resources that gets you the sack.

I still think though that a manager should still be allowed to fail/have a poor season. If Montgomery is here for the new season then we have to hope that lessons have been learnt as to where we need improvement, what we need to do better and who can we bring in to make improvements to rectify those weaknesses.

That needs confidence and trust in your manager to be someone who can make those improvements along with the back room team. That confidence and goodwill from the fans is in short supply right now, but if he is going to be the manager long term then I’d hope the club can give us an update and an opinion as to where we feel we are going. They need to give us the confidence that the club is focussed on addressing our failure to finish top 6 which is the very least we should be demanding from the players.

The last window gave me a glimmer of what kind of player we might see in further windows. We’re spiralling round in circles with appointments post Ross - so I can’t help but assume another change would see us go into transition, fall short of expectations again and then it’ll be time for another.

Give someone more than a season to build their team.

[Numptie]

I think he needs to go - I am fed up with the lack of effort/tactics to keep a lead or go for a win. Every other team in the league is going for the equaliser or winner in the last 10 minutes, piling forward and getting the big men up front, maybe not pretty but it shows the fans that they are really trying, even if they fail. His option seems to be, bring on Tavares, and the whole stadium just looks on dumbfounded as we pass it about at the back and lose a last minute equaliser/losing goal. There's nothing I can say about our lack of defensive character, when we need to close out a game, that hasn't already been said. All this is about tactics, not about the abilities of players.

[blackpoolhibs]

When he was appointed, i never knew who he was, had no idea what he'd achieved and to be perfectly honest, was a bit meh about him.

Since that day when he was appointed, i've not really taken to him much. He's very much a bore when listening to him, he certainly does not make me enthusiastic to get my arse to the games or excite me in any way.

Saying all that, managers talk sheite anyway and i hardly bother listening to them, but do want to be excited and do want to go to games enthusiastic about them.

He does not know how to make substitution that make us better, he set us up for way too long wrong, and when it all boils down to it, results have been pish.

He has to go, i wouldnt trust him to spend what money we have this summer well.

[Alex Trager]

This issue he has now that he is staying is that he has lost a lot of the support.

Genuinely, unless he wins the next 10-15 games (I know that includes next season) the first hint of issues and the fans will go further than they are now - ER will be toxic and he’ll get the sack.

The board are going to have to have some serious gumption about them to see this out (contrary to my earlier post @flash).

[Since452]

I'm just sick fed up with a succession of uninspiring, dull yes men in the manager seat to be honest. We all saw how vibrant Easter Road was when Lennon had his brilliant period. We actually felt like a big club then. I'm craving that again. Was that anything to do with having a big name manager with personality? Maybe. Apathy is creeping in and i couldn't care less about the bottom six fixtures. Pretty sad situation.

[Winston Ingram]

This issue he has now that he is staying is that he has lost a lot of the support.

Genuinely, unless he wins the next 10-15 games (I know that includes next season) the first hint of issues and the fans will go further than they are now - ER will be toxic and he’ll get the sack.

The board are going to have to have some serious gumption about them to see this out (contrary to my earlier post @flash).

I think another issue will be ST Sales. If they are poor by the end of May, they have to pull the trigger.

[GreenCastle]

I'm just sick fed up with a succession of uninspiring, dull yes men in the manager seat to be honest. We all saw how vibrant Easter Road was when Lennon had his brilliant period. We actually felt like a big club then. I'm craving that again. Was that anything to do with having a big name manager with personality? Maybe. Apathy is creeping in and i couldn't care less about the bottom six fixtures. Pretty sad situation.

100%

While Lennon wasn’t perfect you knew what you were getting - a personality and some of the best games watching Hibs. Fans can debate it all day long and there were plenty of mistakes - remember fans even booing some of his subs when we were at Falkirk away but his subs often changed games and won Hibs points.

[Basildon Hibs]

Sack. ASAP.

[Alex Trager]

I think another issue will be ST Sales. If they are poor by the end of May, they have to pull the trigger.

Aye I was going to include that, but if numbers are at about 9K as suggested before, then that’s fairly strong.

I do not know what it would take to make them pull the trigger though.

I’m holding off currently. Not sure what I am waiting for.

I may not get one in truth.

[Chorley Hibee]

I think another issue will be ST Sales. If they are poor by the end of May, they have to pull the trigger.

Just do it now.

Retaining him as manager any longer will not sell season tickets in the number we want.

All we're doing is kicking the can down the road.

[flash]

Hibs have just tweeted this weeks fixtures.

Be prepared for a tsunami of abuse in the comments.

[Winston Ingram]

Aye I was going to include that, but if numbers are at about 9K as suggested before, then that’s fairly strong.

I do not know what it would take to make them pull the trigger though.

I’m holding off currently. Not sure what I am waiting for.

I may not get one in truth.

I think Hibs were fairly clever bringing forward the seat release as i think it had quite a major impact on sales. It'll be interesting to see how they get on now.

[SJNB Hibby]

I voted to keep. He came in when we had 0 points from 3 games. At that time we were 7 points behind Motherwell and St Mirren.
We'd played 3 teams we expected to beat and had not played Hearts Celtic or Rangers. If you scrubbed those three games, and played them now, we'd be sitting pretty. I dont like sacking managers every 5 minutes, and it must be costing us a fortune.
I would say we want a 100% record in the LC groups, with some impressive wins, and a minimum of x points in our first few games, maybe up until the first International break. And if its not working....give SDG the job, at least there'd be some continuity

[Paulie Walnuts]

I voted to keep. He came in when we had 0 points from 3 games. At that time we were 7 points behind Motherwell and St Mirren.
We'd played 3 teams we expected to beat and had not played Hearts Celtic or Rangers. If you scrubbed those three games, and played them now, we'd be sitting pretty. I dont like sacking managers every 5 minutes, and it must be costing us a fortune.
I would say we want a 100% record in the LC groups, with some impressive wins, and a minimum of x points in our first few games, maybe up until the first International break. And if its not working....give SDG the job, at least there'd be some continuity

We had 3 points from 4 games when he came in.

[Since452]

I voted to keep. He came in when we had 0 points from 3 games. At that time we were 7 points behind Motherwell and St Mirren.
We'd played 3 teams we expected to beat and had not played Hearts Celtic or Rangers. If you scrubbed those three games, and played them now, we'd be sitting pretty. I dont like sacking managers every 5 minutes, and it must be costing us a fortune.
I would say we want a 100% record in the LC groups, with some impressive wins, and a minimum of x points in our first few games, maybe up until the first International break. And if its not working....give SDG the job, at least there'd be some continuity

He came in when we had 3 points from 4 games. Had just beaten Aberdeen at Pittodrie.

[SJNB Hibby]

He came in when we had 3 points from 4 games. Had just beaten Aberdeen at Pittodrie.
OK---was still a miserable start. I'd still keep him

[Malthibby]

Said already, can't believe I'm saying it but after almost a whole season saying we had to keep him, couldn't sack yet another one so quickly, he's just not learning; sack him.

[Partyraiser]

I voted keep but it's with the massive caveat that it's only because I dont trust those in charge to appoint anyone better

[Winston Ingram]

I voted keep but it's with the massive caveat that it's only because I dont trust those in charge to appoint anyone better

It’d be one hell of a feat to appoint someone worse.

[easty]

I voted to keep. He came in when we had 0 points from 3 games. At that time we were 7 points behind Motherwell and St Mirren.
We'd played 3 teams we expected to beat and had not played Hearts Celtic or Rangers. If you scrubbed those three games, and played them now, we'd be sitting pretty. I dont like sacking managers every 5 minutes, and it must be costing us a fortune.
I would say we want a 100% record in the LC groups, with some impressive wins, and a minimum of x points in our first few games, maybe up until the first International break. And if its not working....give SDG the job, at least there'd be some continuity

I dunno why you’d think if we played those first 3 games again now we’d be sitting pretty?

Not based on the evidence of Montgomerys time in charge. We lost 2-3 at home to St Mirren at the start of the season. 0-3 under Monty. Lost 2-1 away to Motherwell. Drew with them at the weekend.

Sitting pretty my arse. In my opinion.

[Unseen work]

You know what, keep him.

I really like how someone said he’s told some home truths to certain players.

Hopefully with him Myziane is more like to stay (improving our chances from 0 to 1%) and Marcondes, who I’ve been very critical of, signs and improves after a full pre season.

Moriah Welsh and Amos are good additions in centre mid. As is Triantis when played in midfield, chance to get him permanently?

Get some centre halves in to play his style and a new keeper.

A new centre forward is a priority too as so far Vente hasn’t shown enough.

Let’s let him build.

Caveat - my opinion is likely to change again if we lose again in Saturday 🤣

[joe breezy]

Why did anyone want top 6 anyway ?
We would only get beat every week
At least we might get a win or two this way
And not have to watch Hibs getting beat by the likes of the Huns again


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[Lago]

Pat Nevin feels he should stay needs more time.

[Keepthefaith]

Pat Nevin feels he should stay needs more time.

and the one thing most folk on here would agree about is that Pat Levin is a very intelligent former footballer.

easiest option is to sack - I agree with Kevin, it's time to try and build something through stability. take the short term pain for long term gain

[Wilson]

Why did anyone want top 6 anyway ?
We would only get beat every week
At least we might get a win or two this way
And not have to watch Hibs getting beat by the likes of the Huns again


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There lies the problem. If that is the impression of what top six football would be, then we really haven't progressed one iota. For the investment in this coaching team. For the money thrown at this squad. We're still not close to being a comfortable top six team.

Pat Nevin says its okay though so why is everyone complaining?

[HoboHarry]

Pat Nevin feels he should stay needs more time.

Wee Pat is quite correct too.

[Since452]

It’d be one hell of a feat to appoint someone worse.

I'm sure we'd find a way

[JimBHibees]

You know what, keep him.

I really like how someone said he’s told some home truths to certain players.

Hopefully with him Myziane is more like to stay (improving our chances from 0 to 1%) and Marcondes, who I’ve been very critical of, signs and improves after a full pre season.

Moriah Welsh and Amos are good additions in centre mid. As is Triantis when played in midfield, chance to get him permanently?

Get some centre halves in to play his style and a new keeper.

A new centre forward is a priority too as so far Vente hasn’t shown enough.

Let’s let him build.

Caveat - my opinion is likely to change again if we lose again in Saturday 🤣

Good post and agree plus you are ok for Saturday as we don’t play this weekend. 😄

[JimBHibees]

There lies the problem. If that is the impression of what top six football would be, then we really haven't progressed one iota. For the investment in this coaching team. For the money thrown at this squad. We're still not close to being a comfortable top six team.

Pat Nevin says its okay though so why is everyone complaining?

Of course he didn’t say it was ok just that he would give more time.

[Unseen work]

Good post and agree plus you are ok for Saturday as we don’t play this weekend. 😄

You’re telling me it’s another weekend without a win?! That’s it for me, get him sacked.

[h185forever]

We should be a comfortable top 6 team …we aren’t, nor can I see us being so with his approach.

I may be wrong but didn’t he tell us we would play high tempo, pressing football with use of our fast paced front men.
or was that the previous 4 managers …..

20 mins for every 3-4 games just doesn’t cut it.nor does he …sorry but it’s goodbye from me

[Albert Kidd 86’]

I was for keeping, now sacking for the following reasons.

remember how he stuck doggedly to 442, week after week? At first other teams were caught out, but they sussed him out quickly and we were easily beaten several times by exploiting this formation. He still stuck to 442 because that was “how he played as manager” in his only other job and it seemed to work there. Everybody was saying hibs were to easy to beat and we need to change the set up.

I think it was after a rangers game on tv when we were torn apart by their knowledge of how we would play that he changed the formation, but too late.

things improved again, but teams have again adapted and figured out how to beat us. All it takes is a packed midfield/defence and a fast striker.. He did not adapt again.

Even I, as a mere supporter know that you need fast passing and movement to beat those teams. Only really seen once against Livi in first 20mins.

this , to me shows a stubbornness that should be sidelined when the proof clearly points otherwise for the sake of the team. As of the last game nothing has changed again.

I like Lennon, but in the minority there I think, so yes I can see how Mcinnes’s nouse and Scottish league experience would defo push us on. Trouble is there is no way he will take the job.

[Winston Ingram]

Disagree he hasn’t been that bad and with fair refs would be comfortably top 6.

Goals conceded after 75 mins cost us 22 points.

That stat makes an utter nonsense of those claiming we’d be in the top 6 if it weren’t for bad refereeing decisions. The only points we can be certain they cost us were away at Ross County as they equalised with the last kick of the ball. Other than that, if those decisions hadn’t gone against us we’d likely have conceded another goal anyway.

https://x.com/liambryce_/status/1780621129691857393?s=48&t=EfA1G2-GpOrWCJVdyNPv4w

[Alex Trager]

Goals conceded after 75 mins cost us 22 points.

That stat makes an utter nonsense of those claiming we’d be in the top 6 if it weren’t for bad refereeing decisions. The only points we can be certain they cost us were away at Ross County as they equalised with the last kick of the ball. Other than that, if those decisions hadn’t gone against us we’d likely have conceded another goal anyway.

https://x.com/liambryce_/status/1780621129691857393?s=48&t=EfA1G2-GpOrWCJVdyNPv4w

That’s as much of a non sense analysis as the one you claim to be a non sense.

You know it as well.

[Winston Ingram]

That’s as much of a non sense analysis as the one you claim to be a non sense.

You know it as well.

That makes no sense

[JimBHibees]

Goals conceded after 75 mins cost us 22 points.

That stat makes an utter nonsense of those claiming we’d be in the top 6 if it weren’t for bad refereeing decisions. The only points we can be certain they cost us were away at Ross County as they equalised with the last kick of the ball. Other than that, if those decisions hadn’t gone against us we’d likely have conceded another goal anyway.

https://x.com/liambryce_/status/1780621129691857393?s=48&t=EfA1G2-GpOrWCJVdyNPv4w

It doesn’t really does it.

[joe breezy]

Goals conceded after 75 mins cost us 22 points.

That stat makes an utter nonsense of those claiming we’d be in the top 6 if it weren’t for bad refereeing decisions. The only points we can be certain they cost us were away at Ross County as they equalised with the last kick of the ball. Other than that, if those decisions hadn’t gone against us we’d likely have conceded another goal anyway.

https://x.com/liambryce_/status/1780621129691857393?s=48&t=EfA1G2-GpOrWCJVdyNPv4w

It shows bad management is at fault

Have to be able to see games through to the end - it’s a sign of a good manager in teams that persevere all the way


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[flash]

Goals conceded after 75 mins cost us 22 points.

That stat makes an utter nonsense of those claiming we’d be in the top 6 if it weren’t for bad refereeing decisions. The only points we can be certain they cost us were away at Ross County as they equalised with the last kick of the ball. Other than that, if those decisions hadn’t gone against us we’d likely have conceded another goal anyway.

https://x.com/liambryce_/status/1780621129691857393?s=48&t=EfA1G2-GpOrWCJVdyNPv4w

How would we? It's not as if those games stopped when the bad decisions were made.

[Alex Trager]

That makes no sense

🤯

[Winston Ingram]

How would we? It's not as if those games stopped when the bad decisions were made.

That's my point.