Youan

[The Modfather]

Take what we can for him. Talented player but plays for himself and makes us a poorer overall team despite the moments he’s capable of. Crazy if we turned down in the region of a couple of million in January if the rumours were accurate.

[The Tubs]

If someone offers that kind of money then fine. However, he actually turned into a valuable member of the team under Johnson once he settled. He's a prime example of how badly we've slipped under Monty.

[scm70nyd1973]

We need a team - not individuals- he’s too much of a luxury for me but I just hope we can get someone a bit like him but better and a team player .

[.Sean.]

Honking. Might get a nice Instagram reel tho

show pony

gtf

[The Modfather]

If someone offers that kind of money then fine. However, he actually turned into a valuable member of the team under Johnson once he settled. He's a prime example of how badly we've slipped under Monty.

He went missing, along with everyone else, during the frequent losing streaks last season. I think it’s perception rather than reality that he’s much different this season than last IMO.

[hibsdaft]

He is what he is. Job of the manager is to recognise that and take him off if trying to see out a win

[NC1875]

Futsal player. Never a football player. Said it for long enough

[scm70nyd1973]

Solanke to Hibs -a cert 😂

[Jim44]

He gets the ball in promising positions, but you just know that his final pass (rare) and shot will be useless.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

He was absolute 💩 today, should have been hooked 👎

[Pretty Boy]

People slagged LJ for talking about 'football IQ'. I thought it was one of the few things he said that really made sense. Watching Youan for 10 minutes shows you what he meant.

Guy will score goals and get assists, his stats back that up, and he has bags of natural ability. Absolutely no brain in his head though so he's destined to play at a mediocre level for the entirety of his career.

[The Tubs]

He went missing, along with everyone else, during the frequent losing streaks last season. I think it’s perception rather than reality that he’s much different this season than last IMO.

He was fairly rubbbish until January but from then I'd say was consistently good until the last game of the season when Johnson couldn't work out how to beat 10 men and he tried to beat the whole team alone. I then thought he looked above our level at the start of the season. You could tell he was really motivated to beat Luzern — a decent manager would work out how to get that player to perform like that every week.

[J-C]

People slagged LJ for talking about 'football IQ'. I thought it was one of the few things he said that really made sense. Watching Youan for 10 minutes shows you what he meant.

Guy will score goals and get assists, his stats back that up, and he has bags of natural ability. Absolutely no brain in his head though so he's destined to play at a mediocre level for the entirety of his career.

Makes a great run down the left and doesn't play the simple pass to Boyle on the 6yd line, this sums up Youan perfectly and the reason he's here, move him on and use the money to get Myziane.

[Iain G]

Futsal player. Never a football player. Said it for long enough

You are wrong, no matter how much you say it, he is a footballer, just one with poor decision making and focussed on himself.

When he is in the right head space he has been impressive for us, when he isn't he is awful.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

He’s clearly a very talented player, his decision making is hopeless 90% of the time though. He could’ve had a hattrick today.


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[LaMotta]

Agree with everything that has been said on this thread about his lack of a football brain - but I would add one more criticism. He is without doubt the biggest *****bag I've ever seen as a professional footballer. How he's got to that age and has no ability to win a 70/30 tackle in his favour, let alone a 50/50 is utterly beyond me. He shat out of at least 3 tackles today, could have been more.

And on that point what also baffles me is that his teammates let him get away with it - no leadership, no one going mental at him. Symbolic of the boyband mentality that Lennon was often criticised for talking about.

[McGruber]

Not for me. Will go against grain here. He has faults yes but also very talented. Keep him and get a manager that gets the best out of him. One of a few that I can be bothered watching. He frustrates the hell out of me at times but other times is unplayable. He was rubbish today but I still like him. Far more at fault in the team than Youan - starting with the goalkeeper and defence.
Youan was better than Marcondes today. And Boyle done nowt which is becoming the norm.
(Though I like Boyle too so would keep them both)

[Hiber-nation]

Should have been walking out with the match ball and a couple of assists.

How Montgomery didn't take him off is beyond me. Actually it's not really come to think of it.

How has he regressed so much?

[Allan45]

If someone offers that kind of money then fine. However, he actually turned into a valuable member of the team under Johnson once he settled. He's a prime example of how badly we've slipped under Monty.
yes,managers fault and his own decisions on the park.

[TrinityHFC]

He’s gone backwards under the current manager. I’d prefer to keep him and work with him to utilise his assets in the right way.

[007]

He’s gone backwards under the current manager. I’d prefer to keep him and work with him to utilise his assets in the right way.

So what would you do to do that?

[Heisenberg]

He’s gone backwards under the current manager. I’d prefer to keep him and work with him to utilise his assets in the right way.

He’s got better stats than he did under LJ. He’s pretty much the same as he’s always been imo, most frustrating player we have.

[TrinityHFC]

He’s got better stats than he did under LJ. He’s pretty much the same as he’s always been imo, most frustrating player we have.

Last year’s stats include when he arrived and took a while to get up to speed. By the end of the season and the beginning of this one had had developed into a potential multi million pound player. His decision making and his impact on games was much improved. He’s gone back to being much more frustrating.

[007]

Last year’s stats include when he arrived and took a while to get up to speed. By the end of the season and the beginning of this one had had developed into a potential multi million pound player. His decision making and his impact on games was much improved. He’s gone back to being much more frustrating.

So Heisenberg is saying his stats are better but you are dismissing some of his initial games as him getting up to speed. So where are you actually starting the comparison from?

[easty]

Cannae believe the grief he gets to be honest. He’s never gonnae be a superstar but **** me, compared to some of the guffys we’ve had even just the last few seasons he’s brilliant.

A very capable attacking threat, but he’s no the smartest and cannae track back.

Gies an Elie over a Chris mueller or Sylvester Jasper or Harry McKirdy or Kamberi anyday.

The guys no going to go to a higher level and succeed but I still always think he’s someone who can make something happen

[easty]

Also agree that he’d probably look better under a capable manager

[TrinityHFC]

So Heisenberg is saying his stats are better but you are dismissing some of his initial games as him getting up to speed. So where are you actually starting the comparison from?

I don’t particularly care about stats. They tell you some things but not everything and have little context. He became a better player overall towards the end of last season and the beginning of this season. He might be showing better figures for assists and goals, if comparing against his first season but I’d think anyone assessing with their own eyes would see he isn’t anywhere near overall the player we thought he was becoming at the start of this season.

[Smartie]

Not for me. Will go against grain here. He has faults yes but also very talented. Keep him and get a manager that gets the best out of him. One of a few that I can be bothered watching. He frustrates the hell out of me at times but other times is unplayable. He was rubbish today but I still like him. Far more at fault in the team than Youan - starting with the goalkeeper and defence.
Youan was better than Marcondes today. And Boyle done nowt which is becoming the norm.
(Though I like Boyle too so would keep them both)

Looking at the players under contract for next year… would it be unfair to point out that whilst we’ve had all sorts of problems elsewhere in our team, we’ve not had nearly enough out of Youan and Boyle this season? They’re both players we’re expecting to be our best.

It started on the first day of the season when Robinson came to ER with a plan to stifle our supply to them both and did a great job of it.

Yes, someone’s going to come on and provide stats suggesting Youan HAS provided an end product for us. Around those goals and assists though are some woeful performances, some costly defensive lapses.

Maolida has come in and shown some end product and consistency, without which we wouldn’t even have been in with a shout of top 6 at this stage in the season.

We have very few contracted players I’m looking forward to seeing next season. I like Cadden, NMW has promise. Can’t really be bothered with any of the rest of them.

[Silky]

Take what we can for him. Talented player but plays for himself and makes us a poorer overall team despite the moments he’s capable of. Crazy if we turned down in the region of a couple of million in January if the rumours were accurate.

The problems at Hibs just now are far, far bigger than Elie Youan. I would guess that he doesn't set the tactics; pick the team or decide what role he plays. Elie is a player. LJ got more out of him.

[The Harp Awakes]

A very frustrating player for sure but there's plenty of other players in the squad who should be getting stick before him.

A good Manager, if we ever get one, would work out how to get the best out of him and when to play him and when not to play him, e.g., hook him in the last 10 minutes of the Ross County game.

[007]

I don’t particularly care about stats. They tell you some things but not everything and have little context. He became a better player overall towards the end of last season and the beginning of this season. He might be showing better figures for assists and goals, if comparing against his first season but I’d think anyone assessing with their own eyes would see he isn’t anywhere near overall the player we thought he was becoming at the start of this season.

Please explain what overall player you thought he was becoming towards the end of last season/at the start of this season and in what way has he since regressed?

[LaMotta]

Also agree that he’d probably look better under a capable manager


The problems at Hibs just now are far, far bigger than Elie Youan. I would guess that he doesn't set the tactics; pick the team or decide what role he plays. Elie is a player. LJ got more out of him.

As much as I've criticised Ellie on this thread - I fully agree with this. He's been totally mismanaged. Once again the manager left him on for 90 mins when we were a goal up. Shocking management.

[TrinityHFC]

Please explain what overall player you thought he was becoming towards the end of last season/at the start of this season and in what way has he since regressed?

I have already. If you don’t agree then fine.

[Smartie]

A very frustrating player for sure but there's plenty of other players in the squad who should be getting stick before him.

A good Manager, if we ever get one, would work out how to get the best out of him and when to play him and when not to play him, e.g., hook him in the last 10 minutes of the Ross County game.

Personally, I think a good manager would quickly realise that he’s uncoachable, that relying on him would risk him becoming our latest managerial statistic and get him punted pronto.

[Stevie Reid]

I like him. When utilised properly he’s a huge threat in this league, and he’s a player I enjoy watching - as much as he can be incredibly frustrating.

As much as I enjoy watching him on the ball at times (when he’s tying defenders in knots, and not himself), his best and most effective moments for us seem to be when he has little time to think about things. One touch finishes, and just being direct, burning defenders for pace on the outside and whipping the ball over.

[007]

A very frustrating player for sure but there's plenty of other players in the squad who should be getting stick before him.

A good Manager, if we ever get one, would work out how to get the best out of him and when to play him and when not to play him, e.g., hook him in the last 10 minutes of the Ross County game.

Youan is an an enigma, from 1 minute to the next he could either be brilliant or he could make a costly mistake. It's very easy afterwards to be clever about what should have been done differently.

[Smartie]

I like him. When utilised properly he’s a huge threat in this league, and he’s a player I enjoy watching - as much as he can be incredibly frustrating.

As much as I enjoy watching him on the ball at times (when he’s tying defenders in knots, and not himself), his best and most effective moments for us seem to be when he has little time to think about things. One touch finishes, and just being direct, burning defenders for pace on the outside and whipping the ball over.

I agree with the second paragraph tbf.

He’s possibly better against better teams.

When we’re up against packed defences and he’s getting the ball to feet to start beating people, he’s as likely to beat himself as he is to beat defenders.

At other times, when he’s more instinctive, he can be deadly.

Although his errors can be more costly defensively.

[LaMotta]

Youan is an an enigma, from 1 minute to the next he could either be brilliant or he could make a costly mistake. It's very easy afterwards to be clever about what should have been done differently.

It's not rocket science to take him off late on once we are a goal ahead. A mistake Monty has repeatedly made.

[Silky]

I like him. When utilised properly he’s a huge threat in this league, and he’s a player I enjoy watching - as much as he can be incredibly frustrating.

As much as I enjoy watching him on the ball at times (when he’s tying defenders in knots, and not himself), his best and most effective moments for us seem to be when he has little time to think about things. One touch finishes, and just being direct, burning defenders for pace on the outside and whipping the ball over.

He was better under LJ. He was played higher, played to his strengths and generally performed better. When Monty came in and started the 4-4-2 nonsense Elie was wasted. Tracking back, defending and chasing games is not his M
O. Players like him need to be managed properly. I dont think he has been.

[B.H.F.C]

Youan is an an enigma, from 1 minute to the next he could either be brilliant or he could make a costly mistake. It's very easy afterwards to be clever about what should have been done differently.

It’s no even from minute to minute. There was one in the second half today where he got the ball well inside our half and just flew away from a few of them. Got to the edge of their box and had the choice of keeping going and shooting or slipping it to Maolida. He chose the latter but booted it out for a goal kick. That was Youan summed up right there.

[007]

I have already. If you don’t agree then fine.

One minute you said he regressed then you said he isn’t anywhere near overall the player we thought he was becoming at the start of this season. I don't know what you thought he was becoming (or how you know what the rest of us thought) but that sounds to me like you are backtracking. So yes, I disagree, I don't think he is worse than he was.

[Stevie Reid]

He was better under LJ. He was played higher, played to his strengths and generally performed better. When Monty came in and started the 4-4-2 nonsense Elie was wasted. Tracking back, defending and chasing games is not his M
O. Players like him need to be managed properly. I dont think he has been.

I agree. He can - and has - been used in a way that harnesses his considerable talents, and places minimal demands on the weaker aspects of his game.

[TrinityHFC]

One minute you said he regressed then you said he isn’t anywhere near overall the player we thought he was becoming at the start of this season. I don't know what you thought he was becoming (or how you know what the rest of us thought) but that sounds to me like you are backtracking. So yes, I disagree, I don't think he is worse than he was.

He was becoming a very good player end of last season and beginning of this one. He has since regressed.

[JoeT]

still flummoxing

[007]

He was becoming a very good player end of last season and beginning of this one. He has since regressed.

So are you saying he is worse or not?

[Onceinawhile]

Annoying, but has achieved far more than Boyle, who for some reason seems to be getting away with it.

[TrinityHFC]

So are you saying he is worse or not?

I’m not sure what you aren’t following here?

[Jones28]

Does the hard work and ****s up the final ball through trying to be the hero. He’s not the root cause by any means but his selfishness today might have been the difference between us and European football this season.

[Smartie]

Annoying, but has achieved far more than Boyle, who for some reason seems to be getting away with it.

Boyle has had a terrible season for what must be a hefty wage now.

There’s an “elephant in the room” feeling about it, like since he was so good for us for so long we shouldn’t really be considering what’s going on with him.

I reckon teams have him / us sussed, after he got quite a lot of freedom for quite a long time. If teams stop the ball getting to him, they’re quite confident they can deal with all the other threats we can muster.

[kiwihibby]

Take what we can for him. Talented player but plays for himself and makes us a poorer overall team despite the moments he’s capable of. Crazy if we turned down in the region of a couple of million in January if the rumours were accurate.

100% agree with you. Youn does NOT play for Hibs. Yoan plays for Yoan!! Talented perhaps but definitely NOT a team player.

[007]

I’m not sure what you aren’t following here?

You are talking about his potential and about the player he was "becoming". There is a difference between "being" and "becoming" hence my questioning. You keep saying he has regressed which means you think he has got worse, in what way has he got worse? (His potential or what he was "becoming" is not relevant to whether he is now better or worse than whenever your cutoff point is).

[McGruber]

Looking at the players under contract for next year… would it be unfair to point out that whilst we’ve had all sorts of problems elsewhere in our team, we’ve not had nearly enough out of Youan and Boyle this season? They’re both players we’re expecting to be our best.

It started on the first day of the season when Robinson came to ER with a plan to stifle our supply to them both and did a great job of it.

Yes, someone’s going to come on and provide stats suggesting Youan HAS provided an end product for us. Around those goals and assists though are some woeful performances, some costly defensive lapses.

Maolida has come in and shown some end product and consistency, without which we wouldn’t even have been in with a shout of top 6 at this stage in the season.

We have very few contracted players I’m looking forward to seeing next season. I like Cadden, NMW has promise. Can’t really be bothered with any of the rest of them.

Yeah that's not unfair, we should have go more out both Youan and Boyle. They are 2 good players regardless and would definitely keep them.
Pity Vente never worked out and ALF has had so little game time. A proper centre forward would have complimented the wingers much better. Youan has shown defensive lapses but I'm a bit old school. Defenders defend, Youan can't defend then have someone in there doing it for him, keep him.up the park
(obviously I understand tracking back and picking up your man and everyone in the team has to defend/attack) but in a general sense. Too much moaning that he can't defend - set the team up to play to his strengths.

[WeeRussell]

I struggle with this to be honest. Reading about top six being an absolute minimum for a team like Hibs, but wanting potentially the single best talent we’ve got (that actually belongs to us) forced out asap.

Without for a second suggesting he’s the perfect article by any means.

[1875Sean]

Could see from early on today it wasn’t going to be one of those days for him, couldn’t believe he never went off for an Alf or vente in the second half

[Greensunshine]

Get a manager to manage him and all of a sudden we’ll have a player on our hands!

Pass the ****ing ball to your teammates or your getting it! That’s all that needs said. 🤣

[Big90inOz]

He has skills but has no football brain, definition of a headless chook.

[neil7908]

Agree with everything that has been said on this thread about his lack of a football brain - but I would add one more criticism. He is without doubt the biggest *****bag I've ever seen as a professional footballer. How he's got to that age and has no ability to win a 70/30 tackle in his favour, let alone a 50/50 is utterly beyond me. He shat out of at least 3 tackles today, could have been more.

And on that point what also baffles me is that his teammates let him get away with it - no leadership, no one going mental at him. Symbolic of the boyband mentality that Lennon was often criticised for talking about.

This is what gets me the most. I get that forward players, especially at our level will always be inconsistent.

But I can't forgive him for ducking out of practically every challenge. I don't expect him to get flying into tackles but he barely makes any attempt to win the ball, even like you say when it's 70/30 in his favour.

It's cost us goals in the past and just gives the impression he isn't bothered. I think he's talented but there is a distinct lack of dig and leadership in this team, and he is one of the worst offenders.

[DH1875]

His decision making is atrocious but deary me. Was our main threat the whole game and was better than the other 3 forwards who started.

[Gloucester Hibs]

Boyle has had a terrible season for what must be a hefty wage now.

There’s an “elephant in the room” feeling about it, like since he was so good for us for so long we shouldn’t really be considering what’s going on with him.

I reckon teams have him / us sussed, after he got quite a lot of freedom for quite a long time. If teams stop the ball getting to him, they’re quite confident they can deal with all the other threats we can muster.

A real shame - his multiple injuries seem to finally have caught up with him. His pace seems to have completely gone, it was the main weapon in his armoury and he no longer has it. As such he seems like a completely different player now. Was looking forward to him and Youan on the flanks this season but only one of them has produced this goods with any consistency. Assuming he's still here next season I'd imagine he'll be used from the bench?

[BILLYHIBS]

If he did all of the right things in the correct order he would be top drawer a real super star playing for a top club and Les Blues

He has all the attributes but only shows it sporadically at Hibs which is why he is still here

Remember his two superb finishes at Tiny that he seemed to execute without even thinking about it after a first half where he offered nothing ?

Frustrating temperamental inconsistent poor decision making a real enigma oh and you cannot go about bottling 70-30 tackles in your favour not in this league and not wearing the famous green and white needs to show more commitment hunger and desire and win the ball first at all costs whatever the odds

I have seen enough sell if we get the chance I do not think he wants to be here anyways

[Trinity Hibee]

I don’t imagine he’ll want to stay here. Has so much potential but we don’t see it nearly enough

[Nicho87]

Youan frustrates every hibs fan weekly his decision making is sometimes awful

However he is the type of exciting player that we aim to sign, get a couple of good seasons and then move on for a few quid

He’s been massively unlucky hibs found him when we had two of our poorer appointed managers back to back

He would have improved and played well under say a Mowbray or Mcleish type who would know exactly how to use a player with certain attributes.

I actually think Boyle can sometimes look quite an average player and it’s no coincidence he’s had a poorer season under this coaching style.

[BILLYHIBS]

Youan frustrates every hibs fan weekly his decision making is sometimes awful

However he is the type of exciting player that we aim to sign, get a couple of good seasons and then move on for a few quid

He’s been massively unlucky hibs found him when we had two of our poorer appointed managers back to back

He would have improved and played well under say a Mowbray or Mcleish type who would know exactly how to use a player with certain attributes.

I actually think Boyle can sometimes look quite an average player and it’s no coincidence he’s had a poorer season under this coaching style.

Looks to me that sadly Boyle’s injuries have taken their toll

Expected him to be rested and used as an impact sub to exploit tiring defences during the latest run of important games to help recharge his batteries but doesn’t really matter now he can concentrate on getting his sharpness back for next season

[Dmas]

I don’t imagine he’ll want to stay here. Has so much potential but we don’t see it nearly enough

I don’t think he’s ever wanted to be here, he’s too interested in adding to his highlight reel than the good of the team, decision making is terrible totally oblivious to the defensive side of the game, hopefully Stoke are still interested and we can get decent cash for him in the summer

[Nicho87]

Looks to me that sadly Boyle’s injuries have taken their toll

Expected him to be rested and used as an impact sub to exploit tiring defences during the latest run of important games to help recharge his batteries but doesn’t really matter now he can concentrate on getting his sharpness back for next season

Also a legitimate factor I guess

I don’t think Boyle looks happy in this team though

[BILLYHIBS]

Also a legitimate factor I guess

I don’t think Boyle looks happy in this team though

Has definitely stopped playing with a smile on his face

[Nicho87]

Has definitely stopped playing with a smile on his face

100%

[MWHIBBIES]

Cannae believe the grief he gets to be honest. He’s never gonnae be a superstar but **** me, compared to some of the guffys we’ve had even just the last few seasons he’s brilliant.

A very capable attacking threat, but he’s no the smartest and cannae track back.

Gies an Elie over a Chris mueller or Sylvester Jasper or Harry McKirdy or Kamberi anyday.

The guys no going to go to a higher level and succeed but I still always think he’s someone who can make something happen

I mostly agree, but Kamberi was easily better than Youan.

[flash]

Elie is obviously frustrating but he was by far the most effective of our front 4 yesterday.
I would be pointing the finger at Boyle and Marcondes before him personally as they were both far worse.

[Vault Boy]

I mostly agree, but Kamberi was easily better than Youan.

No he wasn’t/isn’t.

Kamberi had a wonderful half a season for us that ended up being the defining purple patch of his entire career. He was scoring way over his xG odds - which ended up bearing out the following season(s) where he was a shell of the player we saw for that few month spell under Lennon. It definitely helped that he was part of a side that was flying, being supplied by players like McGinn, Allan, McGeouch and a younger Boyle.

Elie has produced 37 goal involvements across 80 games in a struggling team and has actually improved his return in his second season. Flo Kamberi has been without a club since January.

Even if you want to make the argument that Kamberi was better for us, the idea that he’s ’easily’ better just doesn’t stick.

[Brooster]

He's obviously talented but his decision making is dreadful. Any similarly talented player with a brain would've had Hibs 4-0 up by 80 minutes in the same situation yesterday.

[WhileTheChief..]

Not good enough for where we want to be.

As with the rest of the squad, they're delivering the results their ability can manage.

We've mostly got crap players being led by a crap manager.

All the chat of 'there's a player in there' or 'I still think he can do a job for us' has been proven to be BS over the last few games.

None of them will be missed when they leave.

[JimBHibees]

Elie is obviously frustrating but he was by far the most effective of our front 4 yesterday.
I would be pointing the finger at Boyle and Marcondes before him personally as they were both far worse.

Agree totally

[Allant1981]

Not good enough for where we want to be.

As with the rest of the squad, they're delivering the results their ability can manage.

We've mostly got crap players being led by a crap manager.

All the chat of 'there's a player in there' or 'I still think he can do a job for us' has been proven to be BS over the last few games.

None of them will be missed when they leave.

Youan clearly is good enough, 10 goals and 11 assists(I think) is a decent return, he will likely always be inconsistent but thats the same as the majority of the players in our league never mind our team. If we had another couple of players getting those number we would be laughing

[Mon Dieu4]

Wasnt just Youan yesterday, lots of players wound me up, Youan acting like he had all the time in the world when there were 2/3 players round him, equally as annoyingly was players acting like there were 2/3 players round them when they were in acres of space and hoofing the ball instead of getting it under control

[WhileTheChief..]

Youan clearly is good enough, 10 goals and 11 assists(I think) is a decent return, he will likely always be inconsistent but thats the same as the majority of the players in our league never mind our team. If we had another couple of players getting those number we would be laughing

He's good enough for a bottom 6 side, he's proved that much.

Loads of posts saying he's a talented player that just makes crap decisions. A talented player would make decent decisions no?

We need a helluva lot more than two players delivering the same as he's managed if we want to compete in Europe.

[Allant1981]

He's good enough for a bottom 6 side, he's proved that much.

Loads of posts saying he's a talented player that just makes crap decisions. A talented player would make decent decisions no?

We need a helluva lot more than two players delivering the same as he's managed if we want to compete in Europe.

So you think a player with 10 goals and 11 assists isn't any good and not talented? Can he improve, 100% he can but youan is the least of our worries imo.

[DH1875]

So.......which forward thinking player was better than Youan yesterday?

[Smartie]

He's good enough for a bottom 6 side, he's proved that much.

Loads of posts saying he's a talented player that just makes crap decisions. A talented player would make decent decisions no?

We need a helluva lot more than two players delivering the same as he's managed if we want to compete in Europe.

Totally agree - the decision making is a fatal flaw. It’s like a 5 foot Centre half, a full back who can’t tackle or a striker who can’t shoot.

Just because he was better than Marcondes and Boyle yesterday - who were both abysmal - cannot be used as any sort of defence of him. It’s the lowest and crappest of bars. He didn’t do what we needed him to do when it mattered most and it has proven costly, very costly.

The players who happened to be worse than him yesterday deserve conversations of their own.

[hibee-boys]

Much as Youan frustrates the heck out of me, based on current form, id have him starting before Martin Boyle who has been contributing very little off late.

[WhileTheChief..]

So you think a player with 10 goals and 11 assists isn't any good and not talented? Can he improve, 100% he can but youan is the least of our worries imo.

Decent enough goals return for the position he plays but doesn't contribute nearly enough.

Don't you think we could find better?

Why always stick with average at best? Let's reach for the stars for a change.

[Allant1981]

Decent enough goals return for the position he plays but doesn't contribute nearly enough.

Don't you think we could find better?

Why always stick with average at best? Let's reach for the stars for a change.

Based on recent permanent signings recently no I don't think we could sign better, if we got players like maolida then absolutely but can't see it, I'd rather our budget went on good defenders and a good keeper than replacing youan as that's where our real issue are

[Greensunshine]

That moment when he should have squared the ball for a guaranteed goal and go two up.

I never saw any of his team mates have a go at him.

I can only imagine what Neil Lennon would have said to him had he played alongside him or if he’d been his manager.

[DinkyTwo]

Has definitely stopped playing with a smile on his faceI agree.

Boyle is most effective being played in behind defenders from a quick counter attack.

For all LJ's failings, he had us setup brilliantly to use the pace of Boyle and Youan on either wing.

Boyle, Youan and Vente all look unhappy in NM's system. ALF barely gets a game. That's the 4 best attackers we have on our books.

No wonder we're in the position we are.

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[Iain G]

That moment when he should have squared the ball for a guaranteed goal and go two up.

I never saw any of his team mates have a go at him.

I can only imagine what Neil Lennon would have said to him had he played alongside him or if he’d been his manager.

The rose tinted specs about Lennon really need to be removed. He would be a disaster coming back to Hibs, think people forget how bad things got under him as well before he imploded.

[we are hibs]

That moment when he should have squared the ball for a guaranteed goal and go two up.

I never saw any of his team mates have a go at him.

I can only imagine what Neil Lennon would have said to him had he played alongside him or if he’d been his manager.



Marcondes went mental at him after he didn't square it

[Dmas]

The rose tinted specs about Lennon really need to be removed. He would be a disaster coming back to Hibs, think people forget how bad things got under him as well before he imploded.

I ageee about NL returning but his point is valid, can you imagine that not being squared in mcleish’s team and nobody saying anything to him mixu would have been through him like a bad curry if he was waiting on that in the box

[WeeRussell]

Decent enough goals return for the position he plays but doesn't contribute nearly enough.

Don't you think we could find better?

Why always stick with average at best? Let's reach for the stars for a change.

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[wookie70]

Not good enough for where we want to be.

As with the rest of the squad, they're delivering the results their ability can manage.

We've mostly got crap players being led by a crap manager.

All the chat of 'there's a player in there' or 'I still think he can do a job for us' has been proven to be BS over the last few games.

None of them will be missed when they leave.

If Youan was 21 or 22 I would say there was a player in there but in his mid twenties he isn't going to improve in terms of basic decision making. He is a me player not an us player and his work rate and decision making off the ball is still very poor. I was never the biggest fan of Scott Allan for similar reasons. He gave the ball away so often when a better option was available and never worked off the ball but he was the only player like that in a team who had loads of grafters so for the most part he was worth a place as the cherry on top type player. We have quite a few players who give the ball away trying to do something and that means we often give it away when we have overcommitted up front and are vulnerable on the break. These players are typically not great at defending set pieces etc either so we struggle with them too. I want a manager that realises this is Scottish football where grit and work rate get you a long way. Just watching Simon Murray scoring yet another goal. Elie isn't a Scottish type player

[sauzee1989]

If Youan was 21 or 22 I would say there was a player in there but in his mid twenties he isn't going to improve in terms of basic decision making. He is a me player not an us player and his work rate and decision making off the ball is still very poor. I was never the biggest fan of Scott Allan for similar reasons. He gave the ball away so often when a better option was available and never worked off the ball but he was the only player like that in a team who had loads of grafters so for the most part he was worth a place as the cherry on top type player. We have quite a few players who give the ball away trying to do something and that means we often give it away when we have overcommitted up front and are vulnerable on the break. These players are typically not great at defending set pieces etc either so we struggle with them too. I want a manager that realises this is Scottish football where grit and work rate get you a long way. Just watching Simon Murray scoring yet another goal. Elie isn't a Scottish type player

Why can’t he improve on his basic decision making? Improvements don’t stop when you reach a certain age. Look at Jamie Vardy he was a late developer.

[TrinityHFC]

Why can’t he improve on his basic decision making? Improvements don’t stop when you reach a certain age. Look at Jamie Vardy he was a late developer.

He did improve end of last season and beginning of this. He was being much more direct and making good choices on when to play others in.

He’s suffered from being asked to play narrower and deeper for most of the season. He hasn’t got back into the rhythm he was in. He has it in him though if coached and used effectively.

[Tyler Durden]

His comments last night are laughable IMO. He's not been booed...... he's had some abuse when he's not performed on the park. Whether that is merited or not is a matter of opinion but it's part of football. He'll get that in any league in the world.

He's not been good enough far too often and he gives the impression that he either doesn't care that much or doesn't really understand what success is for Hibs. For example posting his little highlights reel after we were beaten 3-0 by Hearts twice in a month. I wouldn't blame him alone for this sort of thing, again it comes back to a lack of standards at the club and a lack of leadership in the playing staff.

Personally I'd be happy to see him go in the summer. We can do much better.

[CallumLaidlaw]

His comments last night are laughable IMO. He's not been booed...... he's had some abuse when he's not performed on the park. Whether that is merited or not is a matter of opinion but it's part of football. He'll get that in any league in the world.

He's not been good enough far too often and he gives the impression that he either doesn't care that much or doesn't really understand what success is for Hibs. For example posting his little highlights reel after we were beaten 3-0 by Hearts twice in a month. I wouldn't blame him alone for this sort of thing, again it comes back to a lack of standards at the club and a lack of leadership in the playing staff.

Personally I'd be happy to see him go in the summer. We can do much better.

Yep we can do much better than a player that has double figures in both goals and assists for the first time in a number of years. If we can do myxg better, where are they?
And yes he does get a harder time than say Martin boyle. Or Vente. Players that are probably on more than him per week.
Do folk think that booing a footballer for making a wrong decision on the park is productive? Cos it absolutely isn’t. Same as the folk that think it’s helpful to make comments directly on social media. There’s no need for it.


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[Tyler Durden]

Yep we can do much better than a player that has double figures in both goals and assists for the first time in a number of years. If we can do myxg better, where are they?
And yes he does get a harder time than say Martin boyle. Or Vente. Players that are probably on more than him per week.
Do folk think that booing a footballer for making a wrong decision on the park is productive? Cos it absolutely isn’t. Same as the folk that think it’s helpful to make comments directly on social media. There’s no need for it.


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Let's start with his stats then. In the league he has 4 goals and 8 assists. Blair Spittal has better numbers than that. Graham Carey at St Johnstone isn't far behind Youan ffs. So his stats are not that amazing for a player who cost us £500k+. He can definitely be replaced.

He gets a tougher time than other players because he doesn't do the basics well enough. People grew tired of him continually giving the ball away. He's not getting booed on or off the pitch though is he? He'll get shouted at when he messes up - it's probably unfair but it's football.

The social media stuff is a disgrace but again it's not exclusive to Hibs.

[sauzee1989]

Youan gets far too much criticism. At least he tries things and makes things happen around him.

[Houston7]

Yep we can do much better than a player that has double figures in both goals and assists for the first time in a number of years. If we can do myxg better, where are they?
And yes he does get a harder time than say Martin boyle. Or Vente. Players that are probably on more than him per week.
Do folk think that booing a footballer for making a wrong decision on the park is productive? Cos it absolutely isn’t. Same as the folk that think it’s helpful to make comments directly on social media. There’s no need for it.


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Well said! As a fan of 81, who has been through worse with Hibs than currently, it is refreshing to hear a younger fan say this. It’s all very well saying they’re paid well & should be able to take criticism, but reading this site would any of the current squad want to continue at Hibs? I know the keyboard warriors will say “Good, they can all go!” If we appointed one of the best managers in Europe & invested vast resources, it would take 2 - 3 seasons to get any success should we build a new squad from scratch.

[SickBoy32]

Youan gets far too much criticism. At least he tries things and makes things happen around him.

Habitually pulling out of challenges will obviously wind folk up.

Twice in injury time alone at Fir Park he shat it.

[Donegal Hibby]

Some are going to end up driving a good player out of the club who won't be easily replaced . 10 goals and 11 assists for a winger is a very good return .

[Unseen work]

Let's start with his stats then. In the league he has 4 goals and 8 assists. Blair Spittal has better numbers than that. Graham Carey at St Johnstone isn't far behind Youan ffs. So his stats are not that amazing for a player who cost us £500k+. He can definitely be replaced.

He gets a tougher time than other players because he doesn't do the basics well enough. People grew tired of him continually giving the ball away. He's not getting booed on or off the pitch though is he? He'll get shouted at when he messes up - it's probably unfair but it's football.

The social media stuff is a disgrace but again it's not exclusive to Hibs.

Ok, now compare Youan’s stats to Boyle and Vente who are immune from criticism.

500k is also absolutely nothing in football, just because it’s alot for us doesn’t mean the player you sign is incredible. People need to lower their standards for what a player worth that looks like.

[GreenCastle]

Some are going to end up driving a good player out of the club who won't be easily replaced . 10 goals and 11 assists for a winger is a very good return .

Exactly - for all our problems - Youan is the least of them for me.

Plenty either issues with the team and management.

[KWJ]

Ok, now compare Youan’s stats to Boyle and Vente who are immune from criticism.



Exactly. We'd be in a far worse position this season without Youan. He's not perfect but he's not the problem.

As we saw in the 2nd half of last season and the start of this, when he's feeling good and gets a bit of form going he's a 7 figure player. When he's off it, it shows. The manager is key for this but the fans play their part - giving him stick is counter productive.

[hibsbollah]

Im a big fan of his, and theres some terrible takes on here.

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2024/march/23/watch--every-elie-youan-goal---assist-this-season-/

[Tyler Durden]

Ok, now compare Youan’s stats to Boyle and Vente who are immune from criticism.

500k is also absolutely nothing in football, just because it’s alot for us doesn’t mean the player you sign is incredible. People need to lower their standards for what a player worth that looks like.

But they're not immune from criticism, they've been slated loads aswell. They all deserve to be criticised.

Youan making a point about how much he's been criticised.... He was accepting an award for moment of the season for a draw against Hearts for goodness sake! A draw. And that's the highlight of a season that he's played a big part in. A total failure.

He should have been taking the opportunity to apologise to the fans

[Ship of Hope]

Youan is never going to be one for crunching into a tackle and it is a bit harsh to judge him on that albeit the leg dangling can be frustrating. The hardest thing to do is beat a player and create something. He has the skill, trickery and pace needed. This does need aligned with confidence and self belief which I feel gets eroded by the constant heckling he receives. IMO we need to do more of what it says on the tin and support players through thick and thin. Some act more like judge, jury and executioner. We need our flair players to be able to try stuff that might not come off without being lambasted for it from the stands. I do believe we as fans have a role to play otherwise what is the point in going along.

[hibsbollah]

But they're not immune from criticism, they've been slated loads aswell. They all deserve to be criticised.

Youan making a point about how much he's been criticised.... He was accepting an award for moment of the season for a draw against Hearts for goodness sake! A draw. And that's the highlight of a season that he's played a big part in. A total failure.

He should have been taking the opportunity to apologise to the fans

If he ‘apologised to the fans’ he’d probably get crucified for it being ‘all talk’ and ‘id rather he’d do his talking on the pitch’ or suchlike by the same folk who dont seem to understand or cant accept that a social media presence is vital for young footballers trying to show the best aspects of their game, and there’s absolutely **** all wrong with posting his best bits even after a derby defeat. There just isn’t. Some fans need to grow the **** up.

[Smartie]

He's a player I'd maybe be tempted to carry if the rest of the team was in proper working order.

Youan is never going to be a player who makes a significant contribution to a team who finishes third. He ducks physical challenges, prioritises getting moments for his instagram reel over actually playing football, neglects defensive duties and is ridiculously hot and cold.

Yes, when he's on it and the opportunity presents itself he can make a contribution. But how much cold do you have to sit through between those meaningful contributions?

I lost patience with him a while back and if he was 19, I'd maybe be an advocate for sending him out on loan to learn how to play football. He's not a kid though and I don't see how he's suddenly going to learn to make decisions he appears to be incapable of making? LJ was slaughtered for his "football IQ" comments but Youan is the living embodiment of the point he was (correctly) trying to make.

As long as we have players like Youan in our side, imo we're going to be talking about sacking managers as he is going to repeatedly let them down.


Abuse is bang out of order but it's natural to get exasperated watching him play football (so the odd moan or groan I think is acceptable and inevitable) and I think it is fair to discuss constructively whether or not he should have a team built around him.

He rests in that grey area of our team where he has undoubted qualities who some will see and want to persevere with but flaws others find it difficult to tolerate. It'll be interesting to see what managers make of him going forward, including Monty if he stays - who if he does stay, will surely be aware that Youan's decision making in the Motherwell box was close to going a long way to costing him his job.

Everything from the social media stuff to the comments at the do last night scream "ego" - something, again, you might tolerate but his end product would need to double before you think seriously about it.

[we are hibs]

If he ‘apologised to the fans’ he’d probably get crucified for it being ‘all talk’ and ‘id rather he’d do his talking on the pitch’ or suchlike by the same folk who dont seem to understand or cant accept that a social media presence is vital for young footballers trying to show the best aspects of their game, and there’s absolutely **** all wrong with posting his best bits even after a derby defeat. There just isn’t. Some fans need to grow the **** up.



There absolutely is something wrong with posting your personal "highlights" from a game you lost 3-0 against your biggest rivals. Any player doing that is wrong.

[hibsbollah]

There absolutely is something wrong with posting your personal "highlights" from a game you lost 3-0 against your biggest rivals. Any player doing that is wrong.

Not to me. I dont see what the problem is. Its just lipservice, same as an ‘apology’ for losing is. Same with this bizarre reasoning that players shouldnt be allowed to go out for a meal and a few drinks after a derby defeat, maybe they should all sit around the house in a hairshirt and just order über eats. Ridiculous.

[Tyler Durden]

If he ‘apologised to the fans’ he’d probably get crucified for it being ‘all talk’ and ‘id rather he’d do his talking on the pitch’ or suchlike by the same folk who dont seem to understand or cant accept that a social media presence is vital for young footballers trying to show the best aspects of their game, and there’s absolutely **** all wrong with posting his best bits even after a derby defeat. There just isn’t. Some fans need to grow the **** up.

Social media presence is fine. Like in any industry there are common sense principles to follow of what and when you post. His posts leave him looking tone deaf at times and open him to criticism.

His comments last night are the same IMO.

[Smartie]

Not to me. I dont see what the problem is. Its just lipservice, same as an ‘apology’ for losing is. Same with this bizarre reasoning that players shouldnt be allowed to go out for a meal and a few drinks after a derby defeat, maybe they should all sit around the house in a hairshirt and just order über eats. Ridiculous.

I agree with you on this one.

My issue with his social media business is that I think he occasionally fabricates on field situations to allow him to achieve his highlights, sometimes when a professional 5 yard side foot pass is the correct option - which I find almost unforgivable.

Whilst I do think there are situations where players need to "read the room" a bit about post game antics, I have had it from pretty good authority (former Hibs players) that it's actually best for you to get the bad results out of your system asap, and that there's something actually quite cathartic and rehabilitative about getting out after a sore loss. Maybe the same is true for Youan trawling highlights for positive ways in which he impacted a game?

[hibsbollah]

I agree with you on this one.

My issue with his social media business is that I think he occasionally fabricates on field situations to allow him to achieve his highlights, sometimes when a professional 5 yard side foot pass is the correct option - which I find almost unforgivable.

Whilst I do think there are situations where players need to "read the room" a bit about post game antics, I have had it from pretty good authority (former Hibs players) that it's actually best for you to get the bad results out of your system asap, and that there's something actually quite cathartic and rehabilitative about getting out after a sore loss. Maybe the same is true for Youan trawling highlights for positive ways in which he impacted a game?

I honestly think his bad decisions are limited to poor peripheral vision and just lack of awareness than deliberately doing skills to jazz up his social media. To be fair, when some of his bling comes off it DOES positively impact us on the pitch, as the highlights’ reel confirms. Is he a perfect player? Absolutely not. Is he a positive contributor? I think, definitely yes.

[B.H.F.C]

Social media presence is fine. Like in any industry there are common sense principles to follow of what and when you post. His posts leave him looking tone deaf at times and open him to criticism.

His comments last night are the same IMO.

There is a lack of awareness from most at the club IMO. Started with Montgomery talking about being 20 seconds from jubilation. Read on the other thread that Maolida put up a picture of his goal or whatever it was from Saturday. Why, it’s going to provoke nothing but negative comments given the outcome. It feels like they just don’t get it to me.

[JohnM1875]

It's their own private social media. They can post what they want and shouldn’t receive abuse from childish fans in a huff about Hibs.

Embarrassing abusing a player online. Wouldn't say **** all to the players faces most of them and no doubt be asking for selfies to post on their own social media.

[The Hibee Harp]

I get frustrated with Elie at times like everyone else but he is not the problem for me. He is an attacker and at times we have blamed him for costing goals in closing stages of games. Has he been at fault? At times, yes, however I would be looking at a manager that constantly puts him into a position where we are relying on him to defend (which he cannot do). If we are trying to see games out we should be taking him off before the end to solidify the defence or keeping him up the field and away from the defence where we can use his pace as an out ball. We have lost so many goals this season because our fullbacks have been badly exposed through Elie, Jair, Boyle, etc not tracking back. That to me is down to the formation and the way they are coached to play. That responsibility falls to the manager.

On last nights awards, I wasn't there but is it possible that he meant thanks for not booing him on the back of team performances and it has been lost in translation given English is not his first language? Be interested to hear the thoughts of those that were there.

[hibsbollah]

I get frustrated however I would be looking at a manager that constantly puts him into a position where we are relying on him to defend (which he cannot do). If we are trying to see games out we should be taking him off before the end to solidify the defence or keeping him up the field.

Exactly right.

[Smartie]

I honestly think his bad decisions are limited to poor peripheral vision and just lack of awareness than deliberately doing skills to jazz up his social media. To be fair, when some of his bling comes off it DOES positively impact us on the pitch, as the highlights’ reel confirms. Is he a perfect player? Absolutely not. Is he a positive contributor? I think, definitely yes.

To be fair, I'm more inconsistent than he is, I'll be back to loving him again the next time I see him play.

Worth noting that when we were putting our teams together pre- Motherwell game I still had him starting ahead of Boyle.

I'm just finding it harder and harder to accept his rough edges, and I previously thought that regular football would help smooth them - I've lost that faith, really.

[hibsbollah]

To be fair, I'm more inconsistent than he is, I'll be back to loving him again the next time I see him play.

Worth noting that when we were putting our teams together pre- Motherwell game I still had him starting ahead of Boyle.

I'm just finding it harder and harder to accept his rough edges, and I previously thought that regular football would help smooth them - I've lost that faith, really.

:faf: HE is very inconsistent, no doubt. Im not sure you are, i think you’re fair and reflect on your opinions. Obviously if he starts costing us regularly in big games thats not sustainable.

[Dashing Bob S]

Can’t believe this thread. Much bigger problems at the club than EY.

[JimBHibees]

I like Elie has had a good season. Should not have been dropped for Boyle recently

[andrew70]

I like Elie has had a good season. Should not have been dropped for Boyle recently

Agreed, Elie is far better than Boyle currently.

For the record Boyle also shirks challenges regularly.

We’ll struggle to replace his numbers unless we spend a fair bit.

[HendoDelivered]

Will be sold in the summer I think.

[eastmainsmsh]

Play EY as a striker in remaining games With Myziane he is played out of position

[RIP]

Play EY as a striker in remaining games With Myziane he is played out of position

That's the answer for me. Fast, two-footed centre forward and has a good leap.

Never a touchline winger, penalty box striker all day long.

If Monty wants to save his job this would be one tactical change he should consider.

[Tyler Durden]

That's the answer for me. Fast, two-footed centre forward and has a good leap.

Never a touchline winger, penalty box striker all day long.

If Monty wants to save his job this would be one tactical change he should consider.

His finishing is terrible, he’s clearly not a penalty box striker.

4 or 5 coaches in a row have all played him wide, for good reason.

[MWHIBBIES]

That's the answer for me. Fast, two-footed centre forward and has a good leap.

Never a touchline winger, penalty box striker all day long.

If Monty wants to save his job this would be one tactical change he should consider.

:faf: ****ing hell, who are you watching?

A penalty box striker? His best skill is his dribbling.

[Chorley Hibee]

Will be sold in the summer I think.

Unless there's a huge profit involved, then I really hope not.

We're a much better team with him than without him, IMHO.

[WhileTheChief..]

None of our players are good enough to be deemed 'must keep'.

We have a bottom six squad and need to shift most of them on if we want o challenge for a Euro spot next season.

They'll be quickly forgotten, or remembered for being part of a crap team.

We can do so much better than what we've put up with the last few years.

[Heisenberg]

:faf: ****ing hell, who are you watching?

A penalty box striker? His best skill is his dribbling.

Yep. He gets himself into good positions regularly due to his brilliant ability on the ball but has very little in the way of consistent end product.

[eastmainsmsh]

He has to play wide as he can create as who else is midfield or wide can Create no one