Fraud

[FifeHibs]

No improvement, no tactics… Monty is a clown

[Hermit Crab]

So is Youan. Biggest waste of a jersey since Alan O'Brian. Murder.

[Postiga]

So is Youan. Biggest waste of a jersey since Alan O'Brian. Murder.

Really. Youan and o’brian… I’m all for going after this squad after this season but those two aren’t even close. How many goals and assists did obrian get for us out of curiosity for hibs?

[Ringothedog]

Really. Youan and o’brian… I’m all for going after this squad after this season but those two aren’t even close. How many goals and assists did obrian get for us out of curiosity for hibs?

A big fat zero would be my guess

[I'm Spartacus]

The biggest fraud is who is appointing these frauds.

[marinello59]

No improvement, no tactics… Monty is a clown

He’s not a fraud or a clown. He has done the best he can. It’s not his fault he lacks the experience or knowledge needed to succeed in this league. Those appointing him knew that and took a gamble that looks to have failed.

[Exuberance1875]

Ben Kensell absolute wage thief. Terrible decision after terrible decision.

[Jim44]

He’s not a fraud or a clown. He has done the best he can. It’s not his fault he lacks the experience or knowledge needed to succeed in this league. Those appointing him knew that and took a gamble that looks to have failed.

:agree: I bear no animosity towards Montgomery but as his best is not and probably never will be good enough, he has no future with us.

[FifeHibs]

He’s not a fraud or a clown. He has done the best he can. It’s not his fault he lacks the experience or knowledge needed to succeed in this league. Those appointing him knew that and took a gamble that looks to have failed.

Keep clapping

[Donegal Hibby]

Maybe it's just me though I hate the terms fraud, clown and wage thief . I don't think wither it's our manager , member of staff or a player generally comes to our club to do badly . Yes by all means call for folk to leave the club if you feel they aren't doing a good job though leave the name calling out of it . No need for it imo .

[Alfred E Newman]

He’s not a fraud or a clown. He has done the best he can. It’s not his fault he lacks the experience or knowledge needed to succeed in this league. Those appointing him knew that and took a gamble that looks to have failed.

You can understand how they may have been taken in by LJ’s gift of the gab but it’s hard to fathom why they plumped for Monty. The worry is, when he goes it will be the same incompetents looking for his replacement.

[Crab apple]

Maybe it's just me though I hate the terms fraud, clown and wage thief . I don't think wither it's our manager , member of staff or a player generally comes to our club to do badly . Yes by all means call for folk to leave the club if you feel they aren't doing a good job though leave the name calling out of it . No need for it imo .

I agree. I don't think he's a fraud. Calderwod and a few others were at it but I think NM is a decent sort. He's just a crap manager.

[DinkyTwo]

He's not a fraud at all.

Give him another season or two and he might come good. It's not what most of us want right now, but that doesn't mean he hasn't tried his best - or pretends to be something he's not (LJ).

He's inexperienced, the league he managed in before is obviously of lower playing and managerial standard.

NM thought his tactics at CCM would apply 1 to 1 here, they didn't and he had to eventually become more flexible in his formations.

He thought that he could get away with changes to the spine of the team and bring on teenagers when we needed to see games out... He couldn't and subsequently learned from those mistakes too.

That isn't the sign of a fraud or charlatan, it's indicative of being naive and inexperienced.

He's clearly just not at the level we expected and need him to be.

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[HarpOnHibee]

It’s not his fault he lacks the experience or knowledge needed to succeed in this league.

Is it not his job to learn and gain the experience necessary to succeed in this league? He has continuously made the same basic errors over and over again while making no attempt to address them. And it's not like this is the Bundesliga. It's a league where basic semi-competent decision making is the difference between gaining points and dropping them. His failure to alter the tactics throughout the season is entirely his own fault.

[FifeHibs]

Just sack him

[Nicho87]

Boy on longbangers made the excellent point of saying how when Monty was appointed how he had done his research and what a good squad he had at his disposal.

He’s done absolutely nothing, not one notable win, in cup or league imo. Closest to that would have been Aberdeen at home, where Marshall played a blinder.

[Rumble de Thump]

I can understand why people might think our head coach or board aren't good enough if they are in complete denial of the large amount of points the officials have cost us through blatantly incorrect decisions this season. But it is odd that there are some people who can acknowledge the horrendous refereeing of our games this season yet still adopt that opinion.

Whether Montgomery is a particularly good head coach or not, he was good enough to comfortably get us into the top six. A ludicrous amount of terrible refereeing decisions prevented that. The refereeing decisions have already hit us financially. It would be unfortunate if they ultimately cost Montgomery his job.

[Since452]

He's an arrogant idiot who has never taken any responsibility for our pitiful results this season. Never his fault.

[Nicho87]

He’s coached the team with his methods for 6 months

We have a style of play

It’s just no very good

He has failed to coach the defence to a better standard

Signings or not that is a poor sign of management that nothing particular in defence has improved

[Trinity Hibee]

I can understand why people might think our head coach or board aren't good enough if they are in complete denial of the large amount of points the officials have cost us through blatantly incorrect decisions this season. But it is odd that there are some people who can acknowledge the horrendous refereeing of our games this season yet still adopt that opinion.

Whether Montgomery is a particularly good head coach or not, he was good enough to comfortably get us into the top six. A ludicrous amount of terrible refereeing decisions prevented that. The refereeing decisions have already hit us financially. It would be unfortunate if they ultimately cost Montgomery his job.

Wtf?

[Hiber-nation]

I can understand why people might think our head coach or board aren't good enough if they are in complete denial of the large amount of points the officials have cost us through blatantly incorrect decisions this season. But it is odd that there are some people who can acknowledge the horrendous refereeing of our games this season yet still adopt that opinion.

Whether Montgomery is a particularly good head coach or not, he was good enough to comfortably get us into the top six. A ludicrous amount of terrible refereeing decisions prevented that. The refereeing decisions have already hit us financially. It would be unfortunate if they ultimately cost Montgomery his job.

Nah. Just watch the 2 St Johnstone goals from last week. That's the sort of thing that's cost us top 6.

[andrew_dundee]

I can understand why people might think our head coach or board aren't good enough if they are in complete denial of the large amount of points the officials have cost us through blatantly incorrect decisions this season. But it is odd that there are some people who can acknowledge the horrendous refereeing of our games this season yet still adopt that opinion.

Whether Montgomery is a particularly good head coach or not, he was good enough to comfortably get us into the top six. A ludicrous amount of terrible refereeing decisions prevented that. The refereeing decisions have already hit us financially. It would be unfortunate if they ultimately cost Montgomery his job.

I'm sympathetic to this, but it's why we always needed two goals in games like yesterday or to be able to close down the game effectively.

The last four games saw us get 2 points with four points dropped in the lat 2 mins of matches. That said, if we had won 1-0 yesterday it would have been on the back of a soft penalty and the rarity of a decision going our way when it probably shouldn't have.

[ChuckNor]

Thread title would work for Marcondes. Contributed next to nothing while here and should have been hooked early in his last few games. Been ridiculously poor since the home game against Ross County.

[Stuart93]

I can understand why people might think our head coach or board aren't good enough if they are in complete denial of the large amount of points the officials have cost us through blatantly incorrect decisions this season. But it is odd that there are some people who can acknowledge the horrendous refereeing of our games this season yet still adopt that opinion.

Whether Montgomery is a particularly good head coach or not, he was good enough to comfortably get us into the top six. A ludicrous amount of terrible refereeing decisions prevented that. The refereeing decisions have already hit us financially. It would be unfortunate if they ultimately cost Montgomery his job.

What a mental post this is.

“He was good enough to comfortably get us into the top 6” whilst we’re currently in 7th place and miss out on top 6 🤣

Officials have been terrible but they’ve been terrible for everyone imo, this season especially

This is getting towards Celtic/rangers level of paranoia and moon howling

We’ve not made top 6 because the players and our manager haven’t been good enough. The player situ will be addressed in the summer and hopefully the manager will too.

[hibsbollah]

What a mental post this is.

“He was good enough to comfortably get us into the top 6” whilst we’re currently in 7th place and miss out on top 6 🤣

Officials have been terrible but they’ve been terrible for everyone imo, this season especially

This is getting towards Celtic/rangers level of paranoia and moon howling

We’ve not made top 6 because the players and our manager haven’t been good enough. The player situ will be addressed in the summer and hopefully the manager will too.

Rumble de Thump is spot on. You need to think about your own moon howling ‘officials have been terrible but theyve been terrible for everyone’. :faf: You have to be joking with that.

You dont have to think that Monty is the new Pep to also acknowledge weve been shafted again and again this season with insane decisions.

[SickBoy32]

Kensell is the biggest fraud at ER.

Nothing will improve whilst he is running the club.

[hibsbollah]

Thread title would work for Marcondes. Contributed next to nothing while here and should have been hooked early in his last few games. Been ridiculously poor since the home game against Ross County.

Or Boyle. The boy seems to be wearing a teflon suit as all the angry keyboard warriors line up to slaughter Youan, who at least contributes goals and assists.

[Stuart93]

Rumble de Thump is spot on. You need to think about your own moon howling ‘officials have been terrible but theyve been terrible for everyone’. :faf: You have to be joking with that.

You dont have to think that Monty is the new Pep to also acknowledge weve been shafted again and again this season with insane decisions.

Yep we have but you can’t throw out statements like monty’s good enough to finish comfortably in the top 6 when he hasn’t achieved it

What about all the games we’ve thrown away in last 5minutes this season? Is that the referees fault as well aye?

We shouldn’t be finding ourselves losing out on top 6 to killie, st mirren, dundee regardless of refereeing decisions

You’re right I don’t think Montys pep, I don’t even think he’s as good as the manager he replaced to be honest

[Trinity Hibee]

Rumble de Thump is spot on. You need to think about your own moon howling ‘officials have been terrible but theyve been terrible for everyone’. :faf: You have to be joking with that.

You dont have to think that Monty is the new Pep to also acknowledge weve been shafted again and again this season with insane decisions.

Monty had to draw/beat St J at home last week or hold on for an extra 20 seconds yesterday. That’s no one else’s fault but our own

[hibsbollah]

Yep we have but you can’t throw out statements like monty’s good enough to finish comfortably in the top 6 when he hasn’t achieved it

What about all the games we’ve thrown away in last 5minutes this season? Is that the referees fault as well aye?

We shouldn’t be finding ourselves losing out on top 6 to killie, st mirren, dundee regardless of refereeing decisions

If you are asking if ‘ALL the games we’ve thrown away points late in are the refs fault’, the answer is no. Thats not really the question is it?

Personally i think that claiming that weve had it no worse than any other team from refs this season is the maddest thing ive read on here this weekend, but each to their own.

[JimBHibees]

I can understand why people might think our head coach or board aren't good enough if they are in complete denial of the large amount of points the officials have cost us through blatantly incorrect decisions this season. But it is odd that there are some people who can acknowledge the horrendous refereeing of our games this season yet still adopt that opinion.

Whether Montgomery is a particularly good head coach or not, he was good enough to comfortably get us into the top six. A ludicrous amount of terrible refereeing decisions prevented that. The refereeing decisions have already hit us financially. It would be unfortunate if they ultimately cost Montgomery his job.

Completely agree with this point. We aren't talking one or two we are talking every key game changing decision since January and should be taken into account however there is no doubt key performances and results have been nowhere near good enough. I would keep him on as think he would turn it around though appreciate there are other opinions out there. :greengrin

[Allant1981]

Monty had to draw/beat St J at home last week or hold on for an extra 20 seconds yesterday. That’s no one else’s fault but our own

Surely we aren't blaming the manager for players making crap decisions, the marking last week for both goals was terrible, the equaliser yesterday was poor defending despite it being a crap finish. While I think the style of play is boring and some decisions around formations and subs has been questionable I don't think we can pin these goals against on NM

[Trinity Hibee]

Surely we aren't blaming the manager for players making crap decisions, the marking last week for both goals was terrible, the equaliser yesterday was poor defending despite it being a crap finish. While I think the style of play is boring and some decisions around formations and subs has been questionable I don't think we can pin these goals against on NM

Blaming him for the setup and style of play. Players also at fault for errors but we all know in football the buck stops with the manager

[JimBHibees]

What a mental post this is.

“He was good enough to comfortably get us into the top 6” whilst we’re currently in 7th place and miss out on top 6 🤣

Officials have been terrible but they’ve been terrible for everyone imo, this season especially

This is getting towards Celtic/rangers level of paranoia and moon howling

We’ve not made top 6 because the players and our manager haven’t been good enough. The player situ will be addressed in the summer and hopefully the manager will too.

So they all even themselves out. Completely disagree with that we have been shafted from a grand height even folk like Tom English not naturally one sympathetic to us admits that.

[SickBoy32]

Surely we aren't blaming the manager for players making crap decisions, the marking last week for both goals was terrible, the equaliser yesterday was poor defending despite it being a crap finish. While I think the style of play is boring and some decisions around formations and subs has been questionable I don't think we can pin these goals against on NM

The manager prefers bushiri to Hanlon.

The manager thought Triantis was the answer in January.

Most of the squad is *****, but so is the manager.

[JimBHibees]

Or Boyle. The boy seems to be wearing a teflon suit as all the angry keyboard warriors line up to slaughter Youan, who at least contributes goals and assists.

Very good point. Youan at least got us up the pitch yesterday.

[JimBHibees]

The manager prefers bushiri to Hanlon.

The manager thought Triantis was the answer in January.

Most of the squad is *****, but so is the manager.

Is Bushiri any worse than Hanlon? Both different strengths and weaknesses. Hanlon has taken pelters on here.

[Alfred E Newman]

He's an arrogant idiot who has never taken any responsibility for our pitiful results this season. Never his fault.

That's poor stuff. It's obviously not worked out for him as manager but there is no need for the personal stuff.

[SickBoy32]

Is Bushiri any worse than Hanlon? Both different strengths and weaknesses. Hanlon has taken pelters on here.

Significantly worse IMO, really poor judgement from the manager.

[Allant1981]

The manager prefers bushiri to Hanlon.

The manager thought Triantis was the answer in January.

Most of the squad is *****, but so is the manager.

Hanlon is not any better than bushiri that's why, let's not kid on that hanlon is any good now, folk wanted him dropped a long time ago

[My old man]

Can I ask & sorry if already mentioned
But how on this green earth was spittal violent conduct that definitely would have changed the course/outcome of the game?
Tin hat on securely

Officials have kinda messed with potential points too many to mention but I say give NM till the end of the season hopefully we can get a run of wins to breed a bit of confidence

GG2TH

[SickBoy32]

Hanlon is not any better than bushiri that's why

He really is. By a distance too.

[Allant1981]

He really is. By a distance too.

If that's what you think then fair enough, hanlon has rightly been dropped as he isn't good enough

[Stuart93]

If you are asking if ‘ALL the games we’ve thrown away points late in are the refs fault’, the answer is no. Thats not really the question is it?

Personally i think that claiming that weve had it no worse than any other team from refs this season is the maddest thing ive read on here this weekend, but each to their own.

But you haven’t watched as many other teams games as hibs games so how do you know for sure we’ve had it worse?

This season in particular has seen many teams in the league speaking out against refs and VAR.

Claiming that to be solely responsible whilst advising monty is good enough to have us finishing top 6 comfortably has absolutely zero basis to it. If he was good enough to have comfortably in top 6, we’d be there

[My old man]

Can I ask & sorry if already mentioned
But how on this green earth was spittal not sent off for violent conduct that definitely would have changed the course/outcome of the game?
Tin hat on securely

Officials have kinda messed with potential points too many to mention but I say give NM till the end of the season hopefully we can get a run of wins to breed a bit of confidence

GG2TH

[st3vie]

Kensell is the biggest fraud at ER.

Nothing will improve whilst he is running the club.

this

[NAE NOOKIE]

Maybe it's just me though I hate the terms fraud, clown and wage thief . I don't think wither it's our manager , member of staff or a player generally comes to our club to do badly . Yes by all means call for folk to leave the club if you feel they aren't doing a good job though leave the name calling out of it . No need for it imo .

:top marks

Absolutely this. I don't think anybody at any football club in any position sets out not to try.

There is such a thing as simply not being very good at what you do no matter how much you want to be. Along with that there is lack of experience and at times just bad luck.

At this club all these things have been factors this season.

1) The Gordons should be nowhere near on field matters ... off field done a good job. On field they know nothing.

2) The time for inexperienced managers is over ... way over .... The next guy has to have experience EG McInnes ... no more first timers, or folk with no experience of this league as a player or manager.

[Logie Green]

Can I ask & sorry if already mentioned
But how on this green earth was spittal not sent off for violent conduct that definitely would have changed the course/outcome of the game?
Tin hat on securely

Officials have kinda messed with potential points too many to mention but I say give NM till the end of the season hopefully we can get a run of wins to breed a bit of confidence

GG2TH

If Boyle hadn’t pushed Spittal in the same way Spittal pushed Bushiri then Spittal might’ve been sent off. As it was the referee took the sensible option and booked both players instead of sending both off.

[basehibby]

FRAUD is absolutely NOT a word to apply to Monty although his inexperience has certainly cost us at times.

It is on the other hand a term you could apply to many of the officials this term. They have been abysmal for Hibs this season - costing us points again and again and not in a way that has evened itself out.

That said we have often been architects in our own downfall and Monty has played his part in that what with sticking religiously to a formation and style that wasn't working for about 4 months and some ineffectual and sometimes damaging subs. He has lost the tactical battle to more wiley but less resourced opponents on several occasions and has not made up for that to date with any wins over the OF that we could credit to his tactical nous.

He has struggled to get the best out of his squad - playing a style that is less adventurous than his predecessor while still failing to rectify the porous defence that was also an issue under LJ.

I like to see a manager given a fair crack of the whip but struggle to justify persisting with Monty on what I have seen so far. We were terrible over Xmas - even if badly affected by international absences - and after threatening to show some consistency of performance following the 0-3 embarrassment vs St Mirren, we have now slumped back into suicide mode in recent games at the very point when the chips were down and we needed to show resilience to salvage our season.

For the reasons above I would shed no tears if we parted company with Monty. He is no fraud - its a tough job at Hibs and many have failed before him. I just don't think it would be any great loss - he might grow into a first rate coach some day but in the here and now we need to do better.

[buktapurple79]

This is as well and good but we need Lennie back - an angry man fae oor culture who ****ing hates the Estanlishment and the gorgie and Ibrox ciiphers. YLt

[LaMotta]

Can I ask & sorry if already mentioned
But how on this green earth was spittal not sent off for violent conduct that definitely would have changed the course/outcome of the game?
Tin hat on securely

Officials have kinda messed with potential points too many to mention but I say give NM till the end of the season hopefully we can get a run of wins to breed a bit of confidence

GG2TH


If Boyle hadn’t pushed Spittal in the same way Spittal pushed Bushiri then Spittal might’ve been sent off. As it was the referee took the sensible option and booked both players instead of sending both off.


A push in the chest isn't a red card - always a yellow card offence.

[McD]

This is as well and good but we need Lennie back - an angry man fae oor culture who ****ing hates the Estanlishment and the gorgie and Ibrox ciiphers. YLt



Our culture? Please elaborate

[sauzee1989]

So is Youan. Biggest waste of a jersey since Alan O'Brian. Murder.

What a strange comparison. Youan contributes with goals and assists and O’Brien offered nothing.

[CallumLaidlaw]

So is Youan. Biggest waste of a jersey since Alan O'Brian. Murder.

What an utterly terrible comment. Actually laughable [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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[StevieHendo]

Rumble de Thump is spot on. You need to think about your own moon howling ‘officials have been terrible but theyve been terrible for everyone’. :faf: You have to be joking with that.

You dont have to think that Monty is the new Pep to also acknowledge weve been shafted again and again this season with insane decisions.

Every team gets bad decisions though. we can't use that as an excuse for very inadequate defending. As much as i agree with posters confirming its not overly montys fault due to inexperience etc it is definitely the behind the scenes who need the shake up we've continuously ignored the fact the defence needs addressed and its costing us time and time again. We waste ludicrous amounts of chances when we should bury games and unfortunately we dont have the defence to help us see the games out. thats what separated us from Kilmarnock, Hearts and Even St Mirren. We've conceded 17 more goals thank Kilmarnock in a season. and only scored 1 more than them. thats not officials thats alarming.

[Donegal Hibby]

Every team gets bad decisions though. we can't use that as an excuse for very inadequate defending. As much as i agree with posters confirming its not overly montys fault due to inexperience etc it is definitely the behind the scenes who need the shake up we've continuously ignored the fact the defence needs addressed and its costing us time and time again. We waste ludicrous amounts of chances when we should bury games and unfortunately we dont have the defence to help us see the games out. thats what separated us from Kilmarnock, Hearts and Even St Mirren. We've conceded 17 more goals thank Kilmarnock in a season. and only scored 1 more than them. thats not officials thats alarming.

Not that I've watched other teams consistently though I doubt there's many teams that have had as many as us this season which I don't think is an excuse but a part of what went wrong for us this season too .

The main problem in the team was the midfield which we improved in January , the defence and possibly the goalkeeper situation was the two other areas we need to look at as well as a clear out. There's players like Tait , Henderson , Mackay , Kenneh , Mckirdy etc coming back too that decisions will have to be made on too .

One January transfer window was never going to solve all our problems in one big swoop . I think you make an interesting point about us conceding 17 more goals than Killie and only scoring 1 more and yet the year earlier after they came up Killie only scored 37 and conceded 62 goals that season also losing 20 out of 38 league games .

There was a quite a few Killie fans unhappy though the Killie board I suspect felt the manager needed more time which is what most managers need including our own imo .

[hibsbollah]

So is Youan. Biggest waste of a jersey since Alan O'Brian. Murder.

There is literally nothing right with this post. Actually, i take that back, you managed to spell one of the two Hibs players’ names right.

[flash]

But you haven’t watched as many other teams games as hibs games so how do you know for sure we’ve had it worse?

This season in particular has seen many teams in the league speaking out against refs and VAR.

Claiming that to be solely responsible whilst advising monty is good enough to have us finishing top 6 comfortably has absolutely zero basis to it. If he was good enough to have comfortably in top 6, we’d be there

Surely we can make a judgement on VAR just going by our games. I reckon we have been shafted 7 or 8 times and maybe had a couple of ropey calls in our favour.

Whichever way you look at it that's a considerable negative in the points column.

You don't have to want the manager to stay or think our performances have been up to scratch to accept that we have had a right good kicking from the officials this season which has almost certainly cost us a place in the top six.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Maybe it's just me though I hate the terms fraud, clown and wage thief . I don't think wither it's our manager , member of staff or a player generally comes to our club to do badly . Yes by all means call for folk to leave the club if you feel they aren't doing a good job though leave the name calling out of it . No need for it imo .

bang on - although Calderclown kinda stuck - I agree it’s lazy tabloid pseudo analysis.