Aberdeen statement Var farce

[Phil MaGlass]

https://www.afc.co.uk/2024/04/10/club-statement-video-assistant-referees/

[Phil MaGlass]

https://www.afc.co.uk/2024/04/10/club-statement-video-assistant-referees/

Complete and utter shambles.

[JimBHibees]

Seems a very good statement to be fair. Sounds an utter shambles

[Keepthefaith]

Agreed, good statement, clear in its evidence and acknowledged that they've benefitted too. Hope hibs get on board with this to strengthen the challenge

[Groathillgrump]

Nothing to disagree with in their statement.

Only one camera angle available to VAR for the incident in question is a joke.

VAR as it currently operates in Scotland is not fit for purpose and needs upgrading before next season. If upgrading is deemed too expensive by the clubs then it needs to be ditched and filed under 'Failed Experiment.'

[The_Exile]

I was all for VAR, and I still am I suppose, as I think it's the perfect system. But what we've got up here is not the VAR I see in other top flights. It's like a poor relation, weird camera angles, lines that look squint and people using it I wouldn't trust to open a can of beans that was already open.

Get it in the sea.

[matty_f]

That's a disgrace, it really is. I genuinely thought VAR would be a positive change - for all its flaws you can point to loads of decisions where the referee got it wrong and VAR corrected it but t amount of times it's gone wrong is unacceptable and when you consider the cost, the **** experience, and the standard of its use, it needs binned asap.

[Callum_62]

That's a disgrace, it really is. I genuinely thought VAR would be a positive change - for all its flaws you can point to loads of decisions where the referee got it wrong and VAR corrected it but t amount of times it's gone wrong is unacceptable and when you consider the cost, the **** experience, and the standard of its use, it needs binned asap.Why the hell would you use it to guess and over rule the onfield call?

If the tech fails, go with what the referees and lineman said live

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[plhibs]

I was all for VAR, and I still am I suppose, as I think it's the perfect system. But what we've got up here is not the VAR I see in other top flights. It's like a poor relation, weird camera angles, lines that look squint and people using it I wouldn't trust to open a can of beans that was already open.

Get it in the sea.

100% Boyles offside decision at Hampden still bugs me.

[Real Emerald]

Why the hell would you use it to guess and over rule the onfield call?

If the tech fails, go with what the referees and lineman said live

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I would have expected that to be the rule TBH. If VAR fails completely at a match then they have to go with on field decisions and with all the negative press VAR is getting you’d have expected them to do so on this occasion instead of guessing. Just shows the level of numb skulls running Scottish Football.

[DaveF]

A tinpot version of VAR for a tinpot league.

Just confirms what everyone already knew in that those jokers simply guess and make things up as they go.

Indefensible rubbish from our officials.

[JimBHibees]

100% Boyles offside decision at Hampden still bugs me.

Agree

[McGruber]

100% Boyles offside decision at Hampden still bugs me.

Exactly this. First thing that sprung to mind was Boyle's goal and the camera angle/alleged camera failure.

Good statement from Aberdeen and exactly what is needed from all clubs, to acknowledge the system isn't working for anyone and bad decisions are going for and against (except for Hibs that just have numbers in the 'against' column...)

[wookie70]

The problem was as much about officials as VAR at the Dons game. Var fails, no evidence and onfield decision stands is a non issue. They basically chose the path of most resistance and that should be them done in the booth. The big issue is disparity in camera angles between uglies and the rest and the shear incompetence, at best. Of officials. Just get rid

[Not In The Know]

100% Boyles offside decision at Hampden still bugs me.


It was rumoured the exact same thing happened with the VAR not working then. I bet it only works half the time.


Can I Hazard a guess it was Doncaster that oversaw the implementation of this type of VAR system?

[LewysGot2]

Aberdeen away had delayed start for VAR not working...Killie away the same not long after. Only here...

[mixusman]

Nothing to disagree with in their statement.

Only one camera angle available to VAR for the incident in question is a joke.

VAR as it currently operates in Scotland is not fit for purpose and needs upgrading before next season. If upgrading is deemed too expensive by the clubs then it needs to be ditched and filed under 'Failed Experiment.'

100% agree, upgrade the wee black and white 14’ portable to a decent uhd quality bit of kit, not that it will sort everything but surely this has to be the very least that needs done

[ancient hibee]

The VAR guys must be thick as mince. They had the perfect out to say they could not over rule the decision because the system had failed. Instead they took the worst possible option.Don’t fancy Aberdeen’s chances of getting any favours over the rest of the season.

[pepe]

The problem was as much about officials as VAR at the Dons game. Var fails, no evidence and onfield decision stands is a non issue. They basically chose the path of most resistance and that should be them done in the booth. The big issue is disparity in camera angles between uglies and the rest and the shear incompetence, at best. Of officials. Just get rid

It’s like that try Scotland didn’t get against France, the ref asked if they could prove the ball was grounded, Video refs said “not conclusive" on field decision stands. What are our refs doing? Pathetic

[Cameron1875]

It needs to be binned. Our cheapskate version of it has been a complete failure and then you look at the English Prem and Champions League where the most expensive tech is still causing issues game after game.

Glad Aberdeen said something and hopefully other top flight teams back them cause we are all going to be screwed over with it in the end if it stays like this. Fan owned clubs like Motherwell and Hearts really need to try lead the way.

[Dmas]

That's a disgrace, it really is. I genuinely thought VAR would be a positive change - for all its flaws you can point to loads of decisions where the referee got it wrong and VAR corrected it but t amount of times it's gone wrong is unacceptable and when you consider the cost, the **** experience, and the standard of its use, it needs binned asap.

It’s not the technology that’s calling it wrong (other than this time it’s actually failed) it’s the guys sitting in front of it, these guys will be out taking charge of football matches in the flesh without VAR it’s about time they where called out on incompetence far too easy just to label it all as ‘that F’n VAR’ it’s that Willie collum etc etc sitting in front of a screen still getting wrong with 1000 replays at there disposal

[Hibbyradge]

That's a disgrace, it really is. I genuinely thought VAR would be a positive change - for all its flaws you can point to loads of decisions where the referee got it wrong and VAR corrected it but t amount of times it's gone wrong is unacceptable and when you consider the cost, the **** experience, and the standard of its use, it needs binned asap.

Like you, I thought VAR would improve decision making, but the version we have is not fit for purpose and has even made things worse.

Either upgrade it or bin it.

[WeeRussell]

Like you, I thought VAR would improve decision making, but the version we have is not fit for purpose and has even made things worse.

Either upgrade it or bin it.

Splitter.

[weecounty hibby]

I never thought for one minute that in Scotland VAR would be good for anyone other than the usual two beneficiaries of everything in Scottish football. Sadly uts even worse than I thought it would be. The referees, linesmen and VAR officials are pretty much all incompetent and some are downright cheats and quite a few are both

[number9dream]

It was rumoured the exact same thing happened with the VAR not working then. I bet it only works half the time.


Can I Hazard a guess it was Doncaster that oversaw the implementation of this type of VAR system?


Doncaster's job is to do the clubs' bidding and the clubs wanted this Poundland VAR with a minimum of six cameras.
It's not really the technology being kaput that's scandalous in this case though, it's the dunderheaded actions of the officials in the VAR room.

[blackpoolhibs]

Like you, I thought VAR would improve decision making, but the version we have is not fit for purpose and has even made things worse.

Either upgrade it or bin it.
:agree:

You cant just guess, it's so amateurish you couldnt make this up to look worse.:faf:

VAR is a shambles in Scotland, from not having the proper system, to bent ref's either making it up as they go along, or those in a hut in larkhall making sure the obvious teams get everything, it needs binned until such times as its installed properly and farmed out to professionals in another country who are not biased. :rolleyes:

[JammyDoidger]

They got to a final on a dodgy VAR offside on Boyle, it really is better just getting scrapped. At least we could debate wether the officials were cheating back then, now we know they are.

[WeeRussell]

Good statement, nonsense situation, **** addition to the once beautiful game.

[Saint Hibee]

Just scrap it. Completely unfit for purpose. And a great statement from the Dons.

[Bishop Hibee]

Well done Aberdeen. If we can’t have the best system money can buy operated by professional officials then scrap it.

[Stokesy's on fire]

https://www.afc.co.uk/2024/04/10/club-statement-video-assistant-referees/

Aberdeens gained so much from VAR shockrd they are complaining.

[JohnM1875]

Class statement from Aberdeen. Spot on.

The only issue about sticking with the on field decision is I think they don't make them any more. Aye The linesman didn't flag, probably cause he's thinking if I'm wrong VAR will correct it anyway. Totally wrong way to go about it, they should still be making the decisions, I just honestly don't think they’re doing that.

[JimBHibees]

Class statement from Aberdeen. Spot on.

The only issue about sticking with the on field decision is I think they don't make them any more. Aye The linesman didn't flag, probably cause he's thinking if I'm wrong VAR will correct it anyway. Totally wrong way to go about it, they should still be making the decisions, I just honestly don't think they’re doing that.

They are told not to flag if they aren’t sure

[HoboHarry]

Aberdeens gained so much from VAR shockrd they are complaining.

Whether or not they've gained isn't the point, the system isn't working in Scotland and needs to be re-thought out or binned. Preferably the latter.

[LewysGot2]

I hadn't fully appreciated the benefit of the late flag until ironically we scored at Pittodrie. Joe Newell was flagged offside after we scored our second goal. VAR corrected it. If an early flag had gone up that time we might not have scored at all. Can be frustrating but I changed my thinking on it, conveniently, that day 😁

[Carheenlea]

There has to come a point when we have to admit defeat and accept that VAR is simply a resource that is beyond our capabilities in Scotland to operate in the manner intended.

Maybe with full time referees the skill sets to operate VAR can present themselves to an acceptable level to manage the resource, but we’re putting it in the hands of part-time amateurs. It’s certain to fail in such circumstances.

We need to take a break from it for a season at least, and only return when we know we can be trusted with it.

[JimBHibees]

There has to come a point when we have to admit defeat and accept that VAR is simply a resource that is beyond our capabilities in Scotland to operate in the manner intended.

Maybe with full time referees the skill sets to operate VAR can present themselves to an acceptable level to manage the resource, but we’re putting it in the hands of part-time amateurs. It’s certain to fail in such circumstances.

We need to take a break from it for a season at least, and only return when we know we can be trusted with it.

Totally agree you would be struggling to get a handful of decent refs in Scotland yet var gives loads of them var jobs for guys like Andrew Dallas who was a horrific ref and now gets to adjudicate on some of the biggest games. Absolute gravy train for these guys.

[wookie70]

There has to come a point when we have to admit defeat and accept that VAR is simply a resource that is beyond our capabilities in Scotland to operate in the manner intended.

Maybe with full time referees the skill sets to operate VAR can present themselves to an acceptable level to manage the resource, but we’re putting it in the hands of part-time amateurs. It’s certain to fail in such circumstances.

We need to take a break from it for a season at least, and only return when we know we can be trusted with it.

They are part-time professionals earning a very handsome sum for making themselves look stupid and corrupt.

I agree with the rest of it though. I thought VAR would prove refs to be corrupt and they would eventually stop and just ref games straight up. I was right about the first part imo but they seem to have no shame so there is little point continuing with this failed experiment. We may are well have corrupt referees and save a few quid.

[Carheenlea]

Totally agree you would be struggling to get a handful of decent refs in Scotland yet var gives loads of them var jobs for guys like Andrew Dallas who was a horrific ref and now gets to adjudicate on some of the biggest games. Absolute gravy train for these guys.

:agree:

[percy veer]

Totally agree you would be struggling to get a handful of decent refs in Scotland yet var gives loads of them var jobs for guys like Andrew Dallas who was a horrific ref and now gets to adjudicate on some of the biggest games. Absolute gravy train for these guys.

Andrew dallas wonder how he got the gig

[LaMotta]

They are told not to flag if they aren’t sure


I hadn't fully appreciated the benefit of the late flag until ironically we scored at Pittodrie. Joe Newell was flagged offside after we scored our second goal. VAR corrected it. If an early flag had gone up that time we might not have scored at all. Can be frustrating but I changed my thinking on it, conveniently, that day 😁

:agree::agree:

The only logical thing to do is keep the flag down until the passage of play has finished.

[LaMotta]

This is a great statement from Aberdeen. Hibs have had reason to ask for VAR narrative reviews on countless occasions due to the utter incompetence of the decision making, quickly off the top of my head and I know there will be more:



Marshall smashed into the goal at Ross County - no foul goal allowed
Duk Dive at Pittodrie - penalty to Aberdeen
Rangers defender handball in box at Ibrox - no pen
Jeggo incorrectly sent off at St Johnstone
Vente clearly fouled for his own goal at Killie
Boyle offside goal at Hampden v Dons
Hearts Penalty decision at Tynie when Vargas dived
Marcondes pulled back v Huns in box - no pen
Marcondes smashed by keeper v ST Johnstone in box - no penalty


I wonder of we ever requested to hear audio of any of this?? It would be fascinating to hear all of them.

[Skol]

Does this add weight to the corruption argument or the incompetence argument ?

[leith lynx]

This is a great statement from Aberdeen. Hibs have had reason to ask for VAR narrative reviews on countless occasions due to the utter incompetence of the decision making, quickly off the top of my head and I know there will be more:



Marshall smashed into the goal at Ross County - no foul goal allowed
Duk Dive at Pittodrie - penalty to Aberdeen
Rangers defender handball in box at Ibrox - no pen
Jeggo incorrectly sent off at St Johnstone
Vente clearly fouled for his own goal at Killie
Boyle offside goal at Hampden v Dons
Hearts Penalty decision at Tynie when Vargas dived
Marcondes pulled back v Huns in box - no pen
Marcondes smashed by keeper v ST Johnstone in box - no penalty


I wonder of we ever requested to hear audio of any of this?? It would be fascinating to hear all of them.
Blatant hand ball at Pittodrie as well, not even looked at, let's just scrap this VAR joke now, I'm sure if the majority of Scottish football fans were asked they would vote to scrap it. For me VAR has sucked the life and enjoyment out of the game and it's just created endless arguments, not worth the hassle!

[LaMotta]

Blatant hand ball at Pittodrie as well, not even looked at, let's just scrap this VAR joke now, I'm sure if the majority of Scottish football fans were asked they would vote to scrap it. For me VAR has sucked the life and enjoyment out of the game and it's just created endless arguments, not worth the hassle!

The fact I've forgotten probably the most blatant of the lot shows how many there has been. Boyle boked for diving v Celtic when he was impeded another...

The thing is I would probably accept the downsides ( delays in games, unable to celebrate goals properly, celebrating then having to face the disappointment of a goal ruled out etc etc) if it was getting things right for us and benefitting us. Its done the exact opposite so it makes you even angrier and more perplexed than when we got shafted pre var - at least you could rationalise it then as officials had only one look at things.

[neil7908]

There is no going back with VAR. It's here to stay across the game. Scotland would look like even more of a backwater if we decide it's too hard and just bin it.

It can and does work much better in other places.

What VAR has at least done is unite pretty much all of Scottish football in seeing how terrible our officiating is.

That needs to be harnessed to see some genuine changes made. Just getting rid of VAR addresses literally none of the long running problems in the game.

[JimBHibees]

This is a great statement from Aberdeen. Hibs have had reason to ask for VAR narrative reviews on countless occasions due to the utter incompetence of the decision making, quickly off the top of my head and I know there will be more:



Marshall smashed into the goal at Ross County - no foul goal allowed
Duk Dive at Pittodrie - penalty to Aberdeen
Rangers defender handball in box at Ibrox - no pen
Jeggo incorrectly sent off at St Johnstone
Vente clearly fouled for his own goal at Killie
Boyle offside goal at Hampden v Dons
Hearts Penalty decision at Tynie when Vargas dived
Marcondes pulled back v Huns in box - no pen
Marcondes smashed by keeper v ST Johnstone in box - no penalty


I wonder of we ever requested to hear audio of any of this?? It would be fascinating to hear all of them.

We definitely should have. The discussion between Clancy and Muir in the derby would have been interesting

[Donegal Hibby]

Wonder what the new Aberdeen manager will make of VAR in Scotland .
https://www.aberdeenlive.news/sport/football/jimmy-thelin-aberdeen-start-date-9217786

[hibsforeurope]

There is no going back with VAR. It's here to stay across the game. Scotland would look like even more of a backwater if we decide it's too hard and just bin it.

It can and does work much better in other places.

What VAR has at least done is unite pretty much all of Scottish football in seeing how terrible our officiating is.

That needs to be harnessed to see some genuine changes made. Just getting rid of VAR addresses literally none of the long running problems in the game.

The Swedish league don’t use VAR, so there’s president for not using.

I’d scrap it and use the money to fund full time refs

[blackpoolhibs]

The Swedish league don’t use VAR, so there’s president for not using.

I’d scrap it and use the money to fund full time refs

What difference would full time corrupt refs make to our game?

[hibsforeurope]

What difference would full time corrupt refs make to our game?

Being full time they would surely need to be accountable, they could open up the pool to foreign refs looking for jobs. With a bit of luck the current bunch wouldn’t want to leave their cushty jobs to become a full time ref.

[ElginHibee]

I'm sure I read that refs are paid handsomely for their side gig. They should be made available to the press to explain the decisions made during the game.

[DaveF]

Does this add weight to the corruption argument or the incompetence argument ?

La Motta's list is not remotely close to all the crap calls we have had. I'm willing to bet good money that the rangers gripe list will be minuscule by comparison.

Still, incompetence eh.

[JimBHibees]

I'm sure I read that refs are paid handsomely for their side gig. They should be made available to the press to explain the decisions made during the game.

They won’t want to do that it would mean they were accountable in some way

[Basildon Hibs]

I never thought for one minute that in Scotland VAR would be good for anyone other than the usual two beneficiaries of everything in Scottish football. Sadly uts even worse than I thought it would be. The referees, linesmen and VAR officials are pretty much all incompetent and some are downright cheats and quite a few are both

I predicted that it would only benefit the Uglies, too.

[Basildon Hibs]

What difference would full time corrupt refs make to our game?

Correct. We'd still have corrupt refs - full-time or part-time. It makes no difference, they'll still be corrupt and incompetent.

[Eyrie]

I'd be opposed to referees going full time for the simple reason that they would want more money to compensate for giving up their day jobs. Right now they get both a regular salary from their main job and a fat fee for being incompetent once a week.

[Basildon Hibs]

There is no going back with VAR. It's here to stay across the game. Scotland would look like even more of a backwater if we decide it's too hard and just bin it.

It can and does work much better in other places.

What VAR has at least done is unite pretty much all of Scottish football in seeing how terrible our officiating is.

That needs to be harnessed to see some genuine changes made. Just getting rid of VAR addresses literally none of the long running problems in the game.

👍👊

[Se7enUp]

:agree:

You cant just guess, it's so amateurish you couldnt make this up to look worse.:faf:

VAR is a shambles in Scotland, from not having the proper system, to bent ref's either making it up as they go along, or those in a hut in larkhall making sure the obvious teams get everything, it needs binned until such times as its installed properly and farmed out to professionals in another country who are not biased. :rolleyes:

Don't forget having the VAR monitor in amongst the baying mob at tynecastle, that's just mental. OK, not a VAR issue as such, but someone OK'd that perverse location.

[GreenCastle]

Remember the higher up in the league you finish the more you pay for VAR “lite”.

Scotland has the cheap version- less cameras and worse technology.

Add in the incompetent officials and it’s actually less enjoyable going to games as you have no idea what the decision the officials will come up with.

[easty]

The Swedish league don’t use VAR, so there’s president for not using.

I’d scrap it and use the money to fund full time refs

They get paid plenty already.

I’ve yet to see any argument that convinces me we’d get better refereeing by making them full time.

They already know the rules, and they don’t have to be super fit.

What would they be doing with their paid time outside refereeing the games? Re-reading the rules?

It wouldn’t change a single thing with regards to what teams get preferential treatment.

[matty_f]

La Motta's list is not remotely close to all the crap calls we have had. I'm willing to bet good money that the rangers gripe list will be minuscule by comparison.

Still, incompetence eh.

I think it's pretty evident that it's not incompetence. That's not to say that every mistake is corrupt, so the fact Aberdeen can point to a significant decision against them doesn't mean that there's not an issue with bias elsewhere.

Referees make mistakes, and because of this every club will have some evidence of decisions going against them. The volume and inexplicable decisions that have gone against us have rightly got noses twitching about how we're treated.

The fact that there's clear evidence of a strong bias towards Rangers strengthens the theory that teams are refereed differently.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

What difference would full time corrupt refs make to our game?

Who would want to be a full time ref? The likes of Clancy wouldn't. Guys a solicitor and gets £1k for a Saturday job. Would not be worth his while to go full time.

It's abundantly clear they know what side their sfa/spfl bread is buttered. And it's two specific Glasgow postcodes

[Hibbyradge]

Splitter.

No, no, no. Come on. Do it properly!

[Hibbyradge]

They are told not to flag if they aren’t sure

They're told not to flag until the move ends.

[Keepthefaith]

there would seem to be good argument to pause the use of VAR next season to undertake a thorough review of the errors and positives so far. the groundswell appears to be that the majority of clubs are unhappy so why push on with something that is error laden.

it does mean though that with the same refs in the same system we're unlikely to see a change in the bias that clearly exists, and we weren't happy with that either before VAR or with it!

so what is the answer to improve standards and fairness? ex players? can you imagine an ex rangers player refereeing a Hibs game at easter road??

[Irish_Steve]

The whole idea of VAR is good, it's just the implementation of it here and elsewhere that makes it look like a bad idea.

And I've said this before elsewhere on here but who on earth would be a ref in Scotland. The much easier thing to do is to give the dodgy decision to either side of the Old Firm thereby saving on having to get new glass in your windows or worse

[Enolam]

VAR is a travesty of implementing the laws of the game and it's making watching football less enjoyable. Like Mrs Doyle's tea-making machine, if someone put a spanner in it I'd be very happy. Give me a normal cup of tea, with all its flaws, any day.

[jakedance]

I’m embarrassed about how enthusiastic I was about VAR. I reasoned, at the time, that it could only improve the standards of refereeing. I thought those benefits would outweigh the problems with the match experience. It’s clearly not fit for purpose. It doesn’t work and it will never work in Scotland. It’s total ***** and the sooner we write off this failed experiment the better.

[joe breezy]

I was all for VAR as well - the ability to be accurate with decisions seemed a no brainer

However it is human nature to remember / highlight the bad news over the good news - I have a feeling we would maybe miss it if it was gone bit I could be totally wrong as it has gone so much worse than I imagined


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[lyonhibs]

Anyone uttering surprise that Scottish VAR and those implementing it have been a half baked joke from day 1 hasn't been paying attention for the last 30 or more years.

It was always "clear and obvious" that VAR wouldn't improve things overall for more than 2 teams.

[Glory Lurker]

I've been against it since before it got here, but then I am always right about everything 🤣🤣.

I couldn't read more than a few lines of Aberdeen's statement. Boyle goal and Vente pen in the semi, volleyball at Pittodrie. They've done alright out of VAR this season. If they're calling out the system though, good on them. Clubs really need to get together on this and it could be a watershed moment.

I've been to a few lower league games this season. It's great to watch football just doing its stuff. We need to get back to that.

[Tambo]

A lot of clubs are calling things out more it seems to me, well done Aberdeen.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Motherwell started the bar rolling by calling out VAR and Aberdeen following suit is great news and the more the merrier.

A cheap system implemented to early with untrained officials and an inherent bias completely undermines what was very good intentions but something that has failed miserably.

[Sylar]

It's hilarious that they're choosing the most recent example of the weekend to make their statement. VAR maybe failed, but he was offside.

It would read less like sour grapes had they not been correctly pulled back by VAR.

[Callum_62]

It's hilarious that they're choosing the most recent example of the weekend to make their statement. VAR maybe failed, but he was offside.

It would read less like sour grapes had they not been correctly pulled back by VAR.I've no idea how you can tell he's offside?

The angle the picture is taken from makes it nigh on impossible to known given the perspective

He "looks" off side the same way the Japan goal at the WC looked out the pitch

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[marinello59]

This bit jumps out and sums up where we are perfectly.




What this situation demonstrates, in our opinion, is that the version of VAR that Scottish football has, or more accurately, can afford, is not suitable for the purpose in which it is intended. It perfectly highlights the limitations in the technology, the inappropriate implementation, the consistency of decision-making, and the negative impact on the overall experience for the match-going supporter.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Good statement from Aberdeen and at least they acknowledge they've had VAR go in their favour a few times. Wish it did for us!

No sympathy for the Dons fans however who were p!ssing themselves laughing, saying how brilliant VAR was when Boyle's goal was chalked off in the League Cup Semi.

I don't hold a grudge......normally!

[Unseen work]

I doubt many will remember, but after our cup semi final against Aberdeen I posted on here about the var offside decision we got against us and the information I received from a trusted source.

He said that the camera’s weren’t calibrated properly and that those in VAR took so long as they had to draw the lines on themselves and essentially guess.

I trusted him completely with what he said due to who he is, this statement and decision entirely backs that up.

It’s an absolute shambles and a disgrace.

Guess work is costing clubs thousands and people their jobs.

It’s all ‘if’s, buts and maybes’ but say we win that and get into the cup final, who knows what happens.

Aberdeen should have won Saturday which would have gave them a chance of top 6 and European football. Not getting the win still has them in reach of the play off position.

[04Sauzee]

Aberdeen should have won Saturday which would have gave them a chance of top 6 and European football. Not getting the win still has them in reach of the play off position.

When you put it like that 😁😁

[tamig]

It’s like that try Scotland didn’t get against France, the ref asked if they could prove the ball was grounded, Video refs said “not conclusive" on field decision stands. What are our refs doing? Pathetic

Exactly. Rugby is light years ahead in this area - same with the handling of head injuries. And it was all totally transparent, crowd aware of the discussions, viewing the same pictures as the TMO. Cricket also the same. Football has a long way to go but it seems determined to remain secretive and leave the paying customers in the dark.

[Not In The Know]

I doubt many will remember, but after our cup semi final against Aberdeen I posted on here about the var offside decision we got against us and the information I received from a trusted source.

He said that the camera’s weren’t calibrated properly and that those in VAR took so long as they had to draw the lines on themselves and essentially guess.

I trusted him completely with what he said due to who he is, this statement and decision entirely backs that up.

It’s an absolute shambles and a disgrace.

Guess work is costing clubs thousands and people their jobs.

It’s all ‘if’s, buts and maybes’ but say we win that and get into the cup final, who knows what happens.

Aberdeen should have won Saturday which would have gave them a chance of top 6 and European football. Not getting the win still has them in reach of the play off position.

That cost us a split of a full Hampden capacity.

[Sylar]

I've no idea how you can tell he's offside?

The angle the picture is taken from makes it nigh on impossible to known given the perspective

He "looks" off side the same way the Japan goal at the WC looked out the pitch

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I mean, it looks pretty clear cut: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11781/13112557/livingston-0-0-aberdeen-bojan-miovskis-late-effort-was-correctly-disallowed-says-scottish-fa

[Donegal Hibby]

Wonder under the current officials we have in charge of VAR does anyone think it will still come good ? , who wants rid of it permanently ? . And who would want put it on the back burner till we have better officials in charge of it ? . Make a interesting poll to see folks views on it I think .

[Callum_62]

I mean, it looks pretty clear cut: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11781/13112557/livingston-0-0-aberdeen-bojan-miovskis-late-effort-was-correctly-disallowed-says-scottish-faYep, hadn't seen the retrospective image - not that I'd entirely trust them to fess up fully [emoji38]

Interestingly there's a livi player in the middle there that's almost fully obscured- I assume they are going from his feet but how do they know his shoulder isn't the place to go from?

One of the limitations of us having one 1990s style camcorder and trying to judge millimeters I guess

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[BoomtownHibees]

I mean, it looks pretty clear cut: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11781/13112557/livingston-0-0-aberdeen-bojan-miovskis-late-effort-was-correctly-disallowed-says-scottish-fa

Remember it’s not the number 19 that the offside is given against, it’s the player closest to the camera (27??) and they have drawn the line against the wrong Livi player, it should be the one in front of the Aberdeen 19, who you can’t see properly (Dan Mackay I think)

[Victor]

Outsource VAR to an independent company, viewed by officials who know what they are doing and are not influenced by allegiances to Scottish teams. Pay FA refs to do the work. It may cost more, but it would hopefully get decisions right. They don’t have to be based in Scotland. And get them to move the Tynecastle monitor, that sums up everything that is wrong with VAR in Scotland.


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[blackpoolhibs]

It will never work in Scotland until it's outsourced to a different country. Our officials are corrupt and biased in favour of two teams, one team especially.

So for me it needs binned until such times as a non biased corrupt way of implimenting it is found.

[tamig]

Yep, hadn't seen the retrospective image - not that I'd entirely trust them to fess up fully [emoji38]

Interestingly there's a livi player in the middle there that's almost fully obscured- I assume they are going from his feet but how do they know his shoulder isn't the place to go from?

One of the limitations of us having one 1990s style camcorder and trying to judge millimeters I guess

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I think they mentioned something about Dan Mackay’s positioning. He’s probably the hidden man.

[Sheffhibee]

The difference in standards between Scotland and the rest of the world was clear to see in the Man City v Real Madrid game the other night. 3 goals in the 1st 15mins, 1st goal coming in 2 minutes. No noticeable lag in proceedings due to VAR. If this was in Scotland we'd still be be checking the Ist goal when the match was 15 minutes in and they'd still probably get it wrong 😂

[GreenCastle]

This bit jumps out and sums up where we are perfectly.

Basically saying we have the cheapest most crap version and no wonder why we are getting so many mistakes - alongside part time crap refs and it’s making the game a shambles.

[Musselbound]

I mean, it looks pretty clear cut: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11781/13112557/livingston-0-0-aberdeen-bojan-miovskis-late-effort-was-correctly-disallowed-says-scottish-fa

Yep. Ok so the system technically failed but we all make judgements all the time on offsides without needing calibrated lines. Surely with this frozen image var is right to overrule the original decision. I think there would've been an even bigger outcry if this goal had been allowed to stand with this image available. They can't win sometimes really.

[Saint Hibee]

Even when VAR works as it's meant to (which is rarely), it sucks all the immediacy and excitement out of football. You think we've scored and then have to wait a few minutes to find out for sure. I hate it.

[Hibernian Verse]

Yep. Ok so the system technically failed but we all make judgements all the time on offsides without needing calibrated lines. Surely with this frozen image var is right to overrule the original decision. I think there would've been an even bigger outcry if this goal had been allowed to stand with this image available. They can't win sometimes really.

I think the point is that this image wasn't available at the time, the SFA are using it now to say they got it right.

[Onion]

VAR in Scotland should have been strangled at birth. The clubs themselves should have stood spoken out when the system was proposed, at its an abomination - allowing officials to basically make stuff up to achieve a certain outcome and use the so called VAR scrutiny and evidence to back it up. Now we hear thru Aberdeen’s efforts that VAR are indeed just guessing and choosing their own outcome without any basis I or evidence. This leaves officials open to accusations of corruption and indeed outside influences. From a fans perspective it is sucking the life out of the game.

[McD]

Yep. Ok so the system technically failed but we all make judgements all the time on offsides without needing calibrated lines. Surely with this frozen image var is right to overrule the original decision. I think there would've been an even bigger outcry if this goal had been allowed to stand with this image available. They can't win sometimes really.


There’s a Livingston player that’s obscured by the Aberdeen 19 in that image, who is deeper than the livi player who the VAR line has been drawn against, so the image isn’t telling us anything about whether the decision was correct or not

[Fuzzywuzzy]

We've not got it so bad......

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5nK_p2sZNJ/?igsh=MTVzNWg0Z2FucHpqdg==

[snedzuk]

Posted after RC away:-

And/or the standard of the system. I noticed the first VAR camera I'd been close to at the back of the stand at Ross County which got me thinking about the awful angles and the funky lines used in offside decisions (see Martin Boyle v Aberdeen).

It turns out 'VAR lite' (Scotland) operates with six to eight cameras (it is possible - somehow - to have compliant VAR with four cameras). To put that into context, the following quote is from 'inside FIFA' talking about the world cup.

"The video assistant referee team has access to 21 cameras in the Group Stage, Round of 16 and Match 63, of which one is super slow motion and one is ultra slow motion. For the Quarter Finals the VAR team has access to 22 cameras, of which one is super slow motion and three are ultra slow motion and for the Semi-Finals & the Final, they have access to 25 cameras, of which three are super slow motion and three are ultra slow motion."

Clubs voted for this and how to pay for it and the question that also arises is how they continue paying for it. Apparently you pay more depending on league position. Itd be interesting to know the terms of this deal and how the camera providers are tied into it. If youre a cash strapped Livingston, almost guaranteed to get relegated, the temptation to find bills you dont pay must be pretty large, plus youre probably passing on the system to AN other promoted team leading me to think the system must be rented. With clubs like Livvy and Ross County probably pretty near the breadline, it might not take much in costs changing to rethink the whole thing.

That aside, I also found this which is really interesting.

https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/...ol/#principles (https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/video-assistant-referee-var-protocol/#principles)

[snedzuk]

We've not got it so bad......

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5nK_p2sZNJ/?igsh=MTVzNWg0Z2FucHpqdg==

Words fail me.

[lyonhibs]

We've not got it so bad......

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C5nK_p2sZNJ/?igsh=MTVzNWg0Z2FucHpqdg==

So bad it has been removed from IG. What was it?

[cabbageandribs1875]

So bad it has been removed from IG. What was it?

it's there

[jeffers]

So bad it has been removed from IG. What was it?

It was the Jambo on a radio phone in asking why Niemi wasn’t getting picked for Scotland, saying “he’s not finished he’s only 28.”

[overdrive]

So bad it has been removed from IG. What was it?

West Brom take a shot from range. Rotherham player standing in the dee handles it. Penalty given, even though the player is in the same spot he handled it when the referee walks past pointing to the spot.

The video is still there though, so not sure why you can't see it unless it is location restricted

[wookie70]

There’s a Livingston player that’s obscured by the Aberdeen 19 in that image, who is deeper than the livi player who the VAR line has been drawn against, so the image isn’t telling us anything about whether the decision was correct or not

They may get relegated but Livi are hide and seek champions. That image alone is a good reason to question VAR officials. If they can't even determine the deepest defender from a stills image they really need to get rid of teh whole system or at least bring in officials who have some vision

[wookie70]

Words fail me. Surely that must be a ref not understanding the rules and thinking the D is inside the box. Not as bad a decision as the Jordan Forster offside at Tiny but it is up there

[Is It On....]

It was the Jambo on a radio phone in asking why Niemi wasn’t getting picked for Scotland, saying “he’s not finished he’s only 28.”

Talksport classic 👍

[gbhibby]

VAR seems to work for The Rangers noticed the ref on Sunday was shown the same angle to convince him there was contact. I watch ref watch every week and Gallagher will say one week although contact was made there was not enough to make the player go down then other weeks will say the same type of incident is a penalty as contact was made. There are 4 people in the stadium who have input into decisions and at least 2 in the VAR room.
I am sick of the inconsistencies with VAR.

[erin go bragh]

VAR seems to work for The Rangers noticed the ref on Sunday was shown the same angle to convince him there was contact. I watch ref watch every week and Gallagher will say one week although contact was made there was not enough to make the player go down then other weeks will say the same type of incident is a penalty as contact was made. There are 4 people in the stadium who have input into decisions and at least 2 in the VAR room.
I am sick of the inconsistencies with VAR.
Rangers been awarded 9 penalties after going to var
We must have the most shafted by var statistics in the league as can only think of a handful of decisions in our favour.

[JimBHibees]

VAR seems to work for The Rangers noticed the ref on Sunday was shown the same angle to convince him there was contact. I watch ref watch every week and Gallagher will say one week although contact was made there was not enough to make the player go down then other weeks will say the same type of incident is a penalty as contact was made. There are 4 people in the stadium who have input into decisions and at least 2 in the VAR room.
I am sick of the inconsistencies with VAR.

Yes think Gallagher is a bit of a clown to be honest. Assuming the Scottish show with Stuart Dougal has been binned.

[FastEddieFelson]

it seems to be widely assumed that VAR is here to stay in Scotland and will never leave. why is this, exactly? surely if there's enough clubs and fans of clubs that express their dissatisfaction with the whole setup, there's a chance things might change?

[where'stheslope]

it seems to be widely assumed that VAR is here to stay in Scotland and will never leave. why is this, exactly? surely if there's enough clubs and fans of clubs that express their dissatisfaction with the whole setup, there's a chance things might change?
I think it would affect our ability to play in Europe where VAR is used.
So the Uglies are unlikely to vote for its removal, they will moan about it, but they know it seems to almost always err in their favour????

[LunasBoots]

In other leagues they have 4 or 5 angles, in Scotland we don't, it's amateur and that's the problem. VAR has ruined Scots Football know quite a few folk gone totally off the game now.

[Ringothedog]

I think it would affect our ability to play in Europe where VAR is used.
So the Uglies are unlikely to vote for its removal, they will moan about it, but they know it seems to almost always err in their favour????

Sweden doesn’t use var and it doesn’t impact their European entries

[Donegal Hibby]

I'd rather see VAR scrapped altogether though wouldn't mind seeing Scottish football go down this route. The thought of sending Beaton , Walsh and a few others to somewhere like Kazakhstan is also appealing :greengrin
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68797201

[A Hi-Bee]

I'd rather see VAR scrapped altogether though wouldn't mind seeing Scottish football go down this route. The thought of sending Beaton , Walsh and a few others to somewhere like Kazakhstan is also appealing :greengrin
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68797201

Would not stop with the var ref's, but bring in foreign refs for most top flight Scottish games, then see what the stats with the huns and the smelic turn out like. Good on the Turks (can I still call then this without the thought police intervening?)

[JohnM1875]

I'd rather see VAR scrapped altogether though wouldn't mind seeing Scottish football go down this route. The thought of sending Beaton , Walsh and a few others to somewhere like Kazakhstan is also appealing :greengrin
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/68797201

With our pompous arrogant referees? You'd just see more of them sticking with the on field decision if asked to come over to the monitor.

[hibsbollah]

VAR is a travesty of implementing the laws of the game and it's making watching football less enjoyable. Like Mrs Doyle's tea-making machine, if someone put a spanner in it I'd be very happy. Give me a normal cup of tea, with all its flaws, any day.

This is a perfect post, both in intent and use of analogy. Well done sir.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I know we have a few Boxing fans in the house…

what do folks make of this…
AI used to score points for boxing.

Imagine the rules applied without bias, refs or incompetent VAR officials.
it’s the system - computer says yes or no.

what say ye all?

https://youtu.be/3kQhwu5AMu8?si=nn5Rsykzx5ip4kfx

[Northernhibee]

I know we have a few Boxing fans in the house…

what do folks make of this…
AI used to score points for boxing.

Imagine the rules applied without bias, refs or incompetent VAR officials.
it’s the system - computer says yes or no.

what say ye all?

https://youtu.be/3kQhwu5AMu8?si=nn5Rsykzx5ip4kfx

No. I said it before VAR was implemented - football being down to split second decisions in the moment was the best we had. No goals being checked to see if a toenail was offside, just the jubilation of that in a moment. Bad decision? Go into the pub after and complain about how you think the ref was biased, rather than have VAR confirm that the whole system is fundamentally wrong.

VAR fixes mistakes, it exacerbates bias. We tried to fix the wrong problem.

[HarpOnHibee]

It's not a failure of the technology itself. It's the failure of the clowns to use it properly, which is entirely intentional in my opinion. They don't want their cheating to be repeatedly highlighted, so getting it ditched allows them to go back to their old methods of cheating where we all have a wee whinge and a moan about it, but ultimately nothing is done about it. They'll favour The Rangers with VAR, they'll favour The Rangers without VAR. Only difference is they can say they no longer have VAR available to review their decisions, allowing them to go back to gaslighting people with the "honest mistake" crap.

[DH1875]

Turkey is supposedly bringing in foreign refs to do their VAR for some games because their refs are dodgy.

[joe breezy]

It's not a failure of the technology itself. It's the failure of the clowns to use it properly, which is entirely intentional in my opinion. They don't want their cheating to be repeatedly highlighted, so getting it ditched allows them to go back to their old methods of cheating where we all have a wee whinge and a moan about it, but ultimately nothing is done about it. They'll favour The Rangers with VAR, they'll favour The Rangers without VAR. Only difference is they can say they no longer have VAR available to review their decisions, allowing them to go back to gaslighting people with the "honest mistake" crap.

This sums it up


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[Paul1642]

No. I said it before VAR was implemented - football being down to split second decisions in the moment was the best we had. No goals being checked to see if a toenail was offside, just the jubilation of that in a moment. Bad decision? Go into the pub after and complain about how you think the ref was biased, rather than have VAR confirm that the whole system is fundamentally wrong.

VAR fixes mistakes, it exacerbates bias. We tried to fix the wrong problem.

VAR has taken away the excitement of a goal to some degree for me. It used to just be a quick glance at the linesman and you knew it stood.

Waiting minutes to know if a goal will stand or not is wrong.

[overdrive]

Turkey is supposedly bringing in foreign refs to do their VAR for some games because their refs are dodgy.

Guess who is in a senior position in the Turkish referee hierarchy.

Dallas Senior.

[Donegal Hibby]

With our pompous arrogant referees? You'd just see more of them sticking with the on field decision if asked to come over to the monitor.

We could always get rid of them too and make a clean slate of it though I doubt the SFA would agree with that though as they are as bad as any officials.

[number9dream]

SFA has released latest VAR panel’s list of blunders, which includes the penalty Hearts got at Tynecastle and the lack of pen for Mitov on Marcondes - but NOT the Devlin handball at Pittodrie, which we claimed we got an apology for!
If that’s not considered a mistake, then it makes a mockery of the process…Ross County throw-in not on the list and neither is the incident that got Aberdeen so worked up.

[Tyler Durden]

SFA has released latest VAR panel’s list of blunders, which includes the penalty Hearts got at Tynecastle and the lack of pen for Mitov on Marcondes - but NOT the Devlin handball at Pittodrie, which we claimed we got an apology for!
If that’s not considered a mistake, then it makes a mockery of the process…Ross County throw-in not on the list and neither is the incident that got Aberdeen so worked up.

Where can you see the list?

[CapitalGreen]

SFA has released latest VAR panel’s list of blunders, which includes the penalty Hearts got at Tynecastle and the lack of pen for Mitov on Marcondes - but NOT the Devlin handball at Pittodrie, which we claimed we got an apology for!
If that’s not considered a mistake, then it makes a mockery of the process…Ross County throw-in not on the list and neither is the incident that got Aberdeen so worked up.

The Ross County throw incident wouldn’t be looked at by VAR.

The exclusion of the Aberdeen handball is absurd considering we received an apology.

[number9dream]

Where can you see the list?

On the Beeb website for one. It will be all over, I’m sure, since it says both penalties in the Hearts win over Celtic were wrong.
Can’t take the accuracy figures seriously though if they’re not considering the Devlin handball.

[JimBHibees]

SFA has released latest VAR panel’s list of blunders, which includes the penalty Hearts got at Tynecastle and the lack of pen for Mitov on Marcondes - but NOT the Devlin handball at Pittodrie, which we claimed we got an apology for!
If that’s not considered a mistake, then it makes a mockery of the process…Ross County throw-in not on the list and neither is the incident that got Aberdeen so worked up.

Absolutely trolling saying not an error for Devlin handball. I mean wtf. Marking their own homework is not fit for purpose as a governance process

[number9dream]

The Ross County throw incident wouldn’t be looked at by VAR.

The exclusion of the Aberdeen handball is absurd considering we received an apology.

A mistake leading to a goal? Or would it need to be foul play / offside?

Hibs released the apology statement, then SFA denied it - which might be the reason it’s not included… Smacks of someone higher up the SFA chain slapping down whoever had the sense to say ‘aye, it was a shocker’…

[Tyler Durden]

On the Beeb website for one. It will be all over, I’m sure, since it says both penalties in the Hearts win over Celtic were wrong.
Can’t take the accuracy figures seriously though if they’re not considering the Devlin handball.

Thanks

Yeah agree 100%, what a farce

[CapitalGreen]

A mistake leading to a goal? Or would it need to be foul play / offside?

Hibs released the apology statement, then SFA denied it - which might be the reason it’s not included… Smacks of someone higher up the SFA chain slapping down whoever had the sense to say ‘aye, it was a shocker’…

No different to the incorrect awarding of a corner instead of a bye-kick which results in a goal, VAR can’t intervene. The only way VAR can intervene on the award of a corner/throw/bye kick is when the ball has gone out of play in the lead up to an reviewable incident and it was missed by the officials.

[Cameron1875]

Three pre-split final results of D v Aberdeen, D v Hearts, and L v St Johnstone could have therefore been completely different if VAR worked correctly then?

Makes you sick to think we missed out on top 6 by a point when there were 3 key matches affected by wrong decisions.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

We can moan about Monty and the players loads and plenty is justified but we’ve been robbed of a top 6 place by a series of horrific decisions over the course of the season. Sickening

[Since452]

We can moan about Monty and the players loads and plenty is justified but we’ve been robbed of a top 6 place by a series of horrific decisions over the course of the season. Sickening

Robbed of 3rd place last season too.

[Heisenberg]

The fact they aren’t willing to admit the Devlin handball should’ve been a penalty is mind blowing. Makes a mockery of the whole thing.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

Robbed of 3rd place last season too.

Shambles honestly. It all evens itself out though apparently

[Chorley Hibee]

I'm surprised they've listed the Hearts penalty against us as a VAR mistake, as VAR asked the referee to look at it again.

It was the referee who overruled VAR and made the incorrect decision.

For them not to include the handball at Aberdeen though is just laughable.

[Tyler Durden]

I'm surprised they've listed the Hearts penalty against us as a VAR mistake, as VAR asked the referee to look at it again.

It was the referee who overruled VAR and made the incorrect decision.

For them not to include the handball at Aberdeen though is just laughable.

To be fair that's an example where they make clear that the VAR intervention was correct but the ref was incorrect to stick with his decision.

[Tyler Durden]

Robbed of 3rd place last season too.

4th surely?

It is sickening though and due to the club's own failings separately, any complaints about this stuff is just viewed as sour grapes.

The clubs need to come forward and scrap it asap. Surely Aberdeen, Hibs, Motherwell for starters would be in favour of getting rid. And you'd have to think another 3 of the typical bottom 6 teams would be happy to get rid on cost grounds alone.

[gbhibby]

Watching Rugby League super league highlights, ref mic'd up and you hear the exchanges between ref and VAR. Football is always much slower to bring in things than Rugby despite having much greater financial muscle.
Change the offside and handball rules, refs exchanges with VAR being broadcast the games a good un.

[He's here!]

SFA has released latest VAR panel’s list of blunders, which includes the penalty Hearts got at Tynecastle and the lack of pen for Mitov on Marcondes - but NOT the Devlin handball at Pittodrie, which we claimed we got an apology for!
If that’s not considered a mistake, then it makes a mockery of the process…Ross County throw-in not on the list and neither is the incident that got Aberdeen so worked up.

Hearts appear to have benefited more than most from the mistakes listed.

[Broken Gnome]

Hearts appear to have benefited more than most from the mistakes listed.

30 per cent of the list featuring penalty decisions that went Hearts way is quite something.

On the Aberdeen handball incident, are we going to be given any sort of clarification on that? Hibs went quite silent rather than tit for tat with the SFA - did our statement get it wrong?

[Bobby's Cinema]

The fact they aren’t willing to admit the Devlin handball should’ve been a penalty is mind blowing. Makes a mockery of the whole thing.
It met almost every criteria for being a handball. Deliberate, hand to ball, arm in an unnatural position, arm outstretched making the body bigger, distance between when the ball was struck and the hand, clear line of sight of the ball.

One of the worst decisions I've seen.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Three pre-split final results of D v Aberdeen, D v Hearts, and L v St Johnstone could have therefore been completely different if VAR worked correctly then?

Makes you sick to think we missed out on top 6 by a point when there were 3 key matches affected by wrong decisions.

An independent body also deemed that numerous St Mirren and Dundee games were impacted (and not in their favour) by incorrect VAR decisions, and that’s just the ones the independent body pointed out (to put it into perspective, they didn’t mention any decisions against Hibs, so it can’t be looking at every decision) so there’s a good chance they will be able to point to others. If we’re going to give ourselves extra points, then they should be getting them as well and we’d likely have still missed out on top 6 regardless.

[Heisenberg]

VAR postive vs negative impact table on every club this season

Kilmarnock +3
Ross county +2
Aberdeen +2
Celtic +1
Motherwell +1
Hearts 0
St Johnstone 0
Dundee -1
Rangers -1
Livingston -1
Hibs -2
St Mirren -4

This is supposedly the way it looks based on all of the decisions reported by the SFA. St Mirren the most heavily ****ed over followed by us. Obviously doesn’t take into account the massive number of other decisions they’ve just decided to ignore for some reason.

[Paulie Walnuts]

VAR postive vs negative impact table on every club this season

Kilmarnock +3
Ross county +2
Aberdeen +2
Celtic +1
Motherwell +1
Hearts 0
St Johnstone 0
Dundee -1
Rangers -1
Livingston -1
Hibs -2
St Mirren -4

This is supposedly the way it looks based on all of the decisions reported by the SFA. St Mirren the most heavily ****ed over followed by us. Obviously doesn’t take into account the massive number of other decisions they’ve just decided to ignore for some reason.

Short of every decision being reviewed, we’ll simply never know who’s been worst off in terms of decisions.

From the independent review that easty posted on a thread a week or so ago, we had never had any wrong decisions go our way, which of course we know is incorrect. Dundee had loads go against them.

Also, if you watch Sportscene etc, you’re not necessarily going to see all these decisions. The decision that probably gets referenced the most on here is the Ross County throw in, which wasn’t even anything to do with VAR. Sportscene showed the throw in being taken, the goal being scored and that was it. Nobody at any point mentioned it should have been our ball etc, so fans of other teams wouldn’t have even known it happened. That will have been the case for hundreds of decisions over the season, where unless you were at/watching the game, you’ll never know they even happened.

Both the VAR and refereeing in this country are horrendous. It would be an impossible task to say who’s been hit worst though and I’d imagine numerous fans forums across the country will be claiming it’s been them.

[Since452]

4th surely?

It is sickening though and due to the club's own failings separately, any complaints about this stuff is just viewed as sour grapes.

The clubs need to come forward and scrap it asap. Surely Aberdeen, Hibs, Motherwell for starters would be in favour of getting rid. And you'd have to think another 3 of the typical bottom 6 teams would be happy to get rid on cost grounds alone.

We finished 5 points off 3rd last season and we were done out of 6 points off the top of my head. Or at least they would have put us in very strong positions in those games.

[JimBHibees]

The fact they aren’t willing to admit the Devlin handball should’ve been a penalty is mind blowing. Makes a mockery of the whole thing.

Agree no credibility at all if not including that horror show decision

[worcesterhibby]

Please Scrap VAR. PLEASE !

[hibsforeurope]

I’d be considering taking them to court for loss of earnings. Going by potential figures from the agm we’ve lost out on up to £1.5m in earnings by not making top 6 and going further in the cup.

[stantonhibby]

Short of every decision being reviewed, we’ll simply never know who’s been worst off in terms of decisions.

From the independent review that easty posted on a thread a week or so ago, we had never had any wrong decisions go our way, which of course we know is incorrect. Dundee had loads go against them.

Also, if you watch Sportscene etc, you’re not necessarily going to see all these decisions. The decision that probably gets referenced the most on here is the Ross County throw in, which wasn’t even anything to do with VAR. Sportscene showed the throw in being taken, the goal being scored and that was it. Nobody at any point mentioned it should have been our ball etc, so fans of other teams wouldn’t have even known it happened. That will have been the case for hundreds of decisions over the season, where unless you were at/watching the game, you’ll never know they even happened.

Both the VAR and refereeing in this country are horrendous. It would be an impossible task to say who’s been hit worst though and I’d imagine numerous fans forums across the country will be claiming it’s been them.

The Ross Co throw in was discussed on Sportscene that night. James McFadden was the guest and said it was clearly a Hibs throw in.

[JohnM1875]

Nah, no way they haven't included the Devlin handball?? You’ll never see a clearer mistake than that. It’s so obvious it should be used as a training example of when var should be used to call the ref to the monitor.

Sick to ****ing death of var.

[TrinityHFC]

Nah, no way they haven't included the Devlin handball?? You’ll never see a clearer mistake than that. It’s so obvious it should be used as a training example of when var should be used to call the ref to the monitor.

Sick to ****ing death of var.

The review is worthless because it is only covering times VAR got involved. The main issue for us has been VAR totally ignoring stuff.

[JohnM1875]

The review is worthless because it is only covering times VAR got involved. The main issue for us has been VAR totally ignoring stuff.

Ah! I see, makes sense why it's not included then. I can calm down again haha.

[wookie70]

The review is worthless because it is only covering times VAR got involved. The main issue for us has been VAR totally ignoring stuff.
That is also very much dependent on what club they are officiating. Potential penalty to The Thes stop game for as long as they can find a reason to give it. Potential pen to use and they keep watching reruns of the Kings Coronation without a glance at our game

[Callum_62]

VAR postive vs negative impact table on every club this season

Kilmarnock +3
Ross county +2
Aberdeen +2
Celtic +1
Motherwell +1
Hearts 0
St Johnstone 0
Dundee -1
Rangers -1
Livingston -1
Hibs -2
St Mirren -4

This is supposedly the way it looks based on all of the decisions reported by the SFA. St Mirren the most heavily ****ed over followed by us. Obviously doesn’t take into account the massive number of other decisions they’ve just decided to ignore for some reason.Rangers will be absolutely fuming!

Might cost them the league that

How unfair they are treated [emoji848][emoji38]

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[JimBHibees]

VAR postive vs negative impact table on every club this season

Kilmarnock +3
Ross county +2
Aberdeen +2
Celtic +1
Motherwell +1
Hearts 0
St Johnstone 0
Dundee -1
Rangers -1
Livingston -1
Hibs -2
St Mirren -4

This is supposedly the way it looks based on all of the decisions reported by the SFA. St Mirren the most heavily ****ed over followed by us. Obviously doesn’t take into account the massive number of other decisions they’ve just decided to ignore for some reason.

Rangers -1 😂

[Eyrie]

The review is worthless because it is only covering times VAR got involved. The main issue for us has been VAR totally ignoring stuff.

Which is still a VAR error.

For example, the handball at Pittodrie was so blatant that it was a clear and obvious error by VAR not to intervene.

[TrinityHFC]

Which is still a VAR error.

For example, the handball at Pittodrie was so blatant that it was a clear and obvious error by VAR not to intervene.

Correct, but not how this review has looked at it.

[ancient hibee]

The review is worthless because it is only covering times VAR got involved. The main issue for us has been VAR totally ignoring stuff.

Thought the review criticised the non penalty against St. Johnstone when VAR did not get involved so you are wide of the mark.

[matty_f]

They should make the scope of the review clear, otherwise it’s pretty meaningless. Is no surprise to me, for instance, that Rangers come out of this review looking like they’ve been negatively impacted by VAR in a season where the spotlight has been firmly on the favourable treatment they’ve had from referees. What a coincidence that the review through that up!!

The fact that the penalty at Aberdeen hasn’t been included, and IIRC we had other blatant ones missed from the last review, makes the reporting of the findings quite disingenuous, imho.

[Paulie Walnuts]

They should make the scope of the review clear, otherwise it’s pretty meaningless. Is no surprise to me, for instance, that Rangers come out of this review looking like they’ve been negatively impacted by VAR in a season where the spotlight has been firmly on the favourable treatment they’ve had from referees. What a coincidence that the review through that up!!

The fact that the penalty at Aberdeen hasn’t been included, and IIRC we had other blatant ones missed from the last review, makes the reporting of the findings quite disingenuous, imho.

I’m not sure how many reviews there’s been, but I’ve seen 2 prior to this one and they’ve never had any mention of Hibs games. The thing that jumped out for me was they had loads of mentions of Dundee being negatively impacted

[matty_f]

I’m not sure how many reviews there’s been, but I’ve seen 2 prior to this one and they’ve never had any mention of Hibs games. The thing that jumped out for me was they had loads of mentions of Dundee being negatively impacted

There were two before, the first they claimed there were only three incorrect calls which was demonstrably nonsense.

The second review, they'd obviously realised how ridiculous their first findings were so went higher and said there were thirteen and now they're saying ten.

It's clearly not been a 100% review because of the omitted incidents, so they should really say how many incidents were reviewed, how they were selected, and how many weren't considered. Also be clear whether things like VAR not being used when it should have been are in scope of the review so that is not ambiguous.


Dundee had two against them in the first round so appears to be hard done to, but because they'd not done a 100% sample, it was a misrepresentation of the impact across clubs that should have been explained.

[cubehindthegoal]

Nah, no way they haven't included the Devlin handball?? You’ll never see a clearer mistake than that. It’s so obvious it should be used as a training example of when var should be used to call the ref to the monitor.

Sick to ****ing death of var.

It’s not “VAR” … var is a distraction they have enjoyed this season … it’s an enabler … it’s those in charge … that make and control the corrupt decisions .. that’s what needs changed …

“VAR” is something to hide behind in Scottish football biaised / wrong decision making.

Feel free to show me proof otherwise. I’d love to see it. But you know it doesn’t exist.

ps I don’t mean you personally JohnM1875 … I’m just adding to the conversation.

[JimBHibees]

There were two before, the first they claimed there were only three incorrect calls which was demonstrably nonsense.

The second review, they'd obviously realised how ridiculous their first findings were so went higher and said there were thirteen and now they're saying ten.

It's clearly not been a 100% review because of the omitted incidents, so they should really say how many incidents were reviewed, how they were selected, and how many weren't considered. Also be clear whether things like VAR not being used when it should have been are in scope of the review so that is not ambiguous.


Dundee had two against them in the first round so appears to be hard done to, but because they'd not done a 100% sample, it was a misrepresentation of the impact across clubs that should have been explained.

Agree with all of that these reviews are total deflection basically saying refs aren’t biased to one or two teams and aren’t actually as bad as you all think. The name of the officials involved should be mentioned. Andrew Dallas has been key in a number of our decisions yet hasn’t refereed a top flight game for years because he wasn’t up to it however has a fundamental impact on games. None of that should happen

[JimBHibees]

It’s not “VAR” … var is a distraction they have enjoyed this season … it’s an enabler … it’s those in charge … that make and control the corrupt decisions .. that’s what needs changed …

“VAR” is something to hide behind in Scottish football biaised / wrong decision making.

Feel free to show me proof otherwise. I’d love to see it. But you know it doesn’t exist.

ps I don’t mean you personally JohnM1875 … I’m just adding to the conversation.

Spot on none of this is about var rather the competency of the people making the calls

[matty_f]

Agree with all of that these reviews are total deflection basically saying refs aren’t biased to one or two teams and aren’t actually as bad as you all think. The name of the officials involved should be mentioned. Andrew Dallas has been key in a number of our decisions yet hasn’t refereed a top flight game for years because he wasn’t up to it however has a fundamental impact on games. None of that should happen

https://x.com/record_sport/status/1785942437132677593?s=46&t=9ECFsSDsGgie80A2m3HH1A and it's job done. The tweet here claims Rangers have suffered more than any other club. I'm not sure if the article goes on to give the important context but for the hard of thinking, they'll accept that as it is and think that the idea of referees favouring then is now demonstrably wrong.

It's farcical. (or varcical, I suppose)

[Tyler Durden]

Few other laughable points in all this.....

In the most recent list, there is the incident where St Mirren's James Bolton was red carded against Dundee. The review says he should not have been sent off (which was obvious at the time). However when they appealed the red card, it was dismissed! So how does this oversight process work? Who decided to dismiss the appeal and who now decides it was incorrect?

Then you have the handball penalty that Hearts were awarded against Celtic at Tynie. It struck another Celtic player first and therefore it shouldn't have been awarded (as confirmed in this recent review). However a very similar incident where Shinnie handballed against Motherwell was noted as an error that should have been awarded as a penalty!

This sort of nonsense needs called out in minute detail by the clubs. The refereeing body is not fit for purpose.

[matty_f]

Few other laughable points in all this.....

In the most recent list, there is the incident where St Mirren's James Bolton was red carded against Dundee. The review says he should not have been sent off (which was obvious at the time). However when they appealed the red card, it was dismissed! So how does this oversight process work? Who decided to dismiss the appeal and who now decides it was incorrect?

Then you have the handball penalty that Hearts were awarded against Celtic at Tynie. It struck another Celtic player first and therefore it shouldn't have been awarded (as confirmed in this recent review). However a very similar incident where Shinnie handballed against Motherwell was noted as an error that should have been awarded as a penalty!

This sort of nonsense needs called out in minute detail by the clubs. The refereeing body is not fit for purpose.

100%

[TrinityHFC]

Thought the review criticised the non penalty against St. Johnstone when VAR did not get involved so you are wide of the mark.

These are all times when VAR has got involved but some occasions they have had the decision to move on and not ask the referee to review.

This does not cover the times that VAR should have got involved but didn’t.

They would have to rewatch all of every game to figure that one out.