Joe Newell

[Donegal Hibby]

I was really disappointed in his performance yesterday. Didn't see any leadership or fight from him in he's our captain as i have of past captains like SDG , Rae etc . Maybe I'm being abit harsh on him though I seen other games like yesterday were he's been much the same . I just expected a lot more from him as the captain of the team, has he really got the qualities to be a captain?.

[Hibs4185]

Get rid in the summer if we can.

[MWHIBBIES]

Wed be a lot worse off without him imo. Been mostly good this season, and consistently. Not sure he's captain, but he's a good player. Id say at least 8 of yesterday's 11 need binning before we think about Newell.

It's a bit of a myth that Gray was always driving us on. He did on occasion. We also lost to Dumbarton, QoTS, Alloa, Morton etc with him. He also rarely played in the top flight.

[Bostonhibby]

Decent player, might do better relieved of the burden of being captain and leader of this current Hibs side.

We are generally leaderless, we need someone in the mould of Darren McGregor or Rob Jones to take a grip of games at key times, and to lead by example, in fact we need more than one of this type of figure in the team in my humble opinion.

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[Smartie]

Wed be a lot worse off without him imo. Been mostly good this season, and consistently. Not sure he's captain, but he's a good player. Id say at least 8 of yesterday's 11 need binning before we think about Newell.

It's a bit of a myth that Gray was always driving us on. He did on occasion. We also lost to Dumbarton, QoTS, Alloa, Morton etc with him. He also rarely played in the top flight.

Gray tended to come up trumps at big moments and whilst he didn’t play all that much in the top flight, he was always very comfortable playing at that level.

Some of our awful performances against poor teams in the Championship must be acknowledged though.

Newell wouldn’t be near the top of my “bin” list but it was another unfortunately poor performance at a time when we were needing senior players to take the game by the scruff of the neck.

It might have all turned out a bit differently had he had NMW’s drive next to him throughout the match - someone who is an excellent foil for him - rather than Triantis, who I thought he was falling over at times.

[supermcginn]

I was really disappointed in his performance yesterday. Didn't see any leadership or fight from him in he's our captain as i have of past captains like SDG , Rae etc . Maybe I'm being abit harsh on him though I seen other games like yesterday were he's been much the same . I just expected a lot more from him as the captain of the team, has he really got the qualities to be a captain?.
If he left this week I'd have forgotten all about him this time next week.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Wed be a lot worse off without him imo. Been mostly good this season, and consistently. Not sure he's captain, but he's a good player. Id say at least 8 of yesterday's 11 need binning before we think about Newell.

It's a bit of a myth that Gray was always driving us on. He did on occasion. We also lost to Dumbarton, QoTS, Alloa, Morton etc with him. He also rarely played in the top flight.

Unless we replace him with better?

[MWHIBBIES]

Gray tended to come up trumps at big moments and whilst he didn’t play all that much in the top flight, he was always very comfortable playing at that level.

Some of our awful performances against poor teams in the Championship must be acknowledged though.

Newell wouldn’t be near the top of my “bin” list but it was another unfortunately poor performance at a time when we were needing senior players to take the game by the scruff of the neck.

It might have all turned out a bit differently had he had NMW’s drive next to him throughout the match - someone who is an excellent foil for him - rather than Triantis, who I thought he was falling over at times.

Gray turned up in some big moments. An absolutely ****ing god for his cup goal, but it was the Alloas and Falkirks that cost us promotion.
Think Gray was okay in the premier league. No better than miller or Cadden are though. He got hooked in a semi final against Celtic after a pretty disastrous first half.

Joe wasn't good yesterday. But where is the Boyle criticism? He's a big player, who's been missing many times in big games, who costs us a lot of money, who was utter ***** yesterday. Id be getting rid of him before Joe.

[hibeerealist]

I was really disappointed in his performance yesterday. Didn't see any leadership or fight from him in he's our captain as i have of past captains like SDG , Rae etc . Maybe I'm being abit harsh on him though I seen other games like yesterday were he's been much the same . I just expected a lot more from him as the captain of the team, has he really got the qualities to be a captain?.


JN as our captain pretty much sums up us as a team, he has little urgency in his play 95% of the time he looks to pass backwards or sideways. Yes he is a decent squad player but should be nowhere near the best paid or captains armband.

[MWHIBBIES]

If he left this week I'd have forgotten all about him this time next week.

While you watch the triantis/NMW double pivot of hell? Youd be missing Newell quickly.

Unless we replace him with better?

Sounds great. Hopefully another premier league superstar like Marcondes.

[eastmainsmsh]

I like Joe but if he played to his A game every time he would be a at least a championship player on his day good to watch

[MWHIBBIES]

JN as our captain pretty much sums up us as a team, he has little urgency in his play 95% of the time he looks to pass backwards or sideways. Yes he is a decent squad player but should be nowhere near the best paid or captains armband.

What squad? He's the best midfielder we have, so he's currently well above squad player.

Plays plenty forward passes too.

[LaMotta]

Bizarre performance from Newell yesterday - looked totally lacking in energy and his mistake for their first goal was horrendous. He's usually far better.

[Mikey_1875]

The debate has been done to death imo.

He will always be a source of frustration as we know he can be brilliant but when you throw in a few shockers like yesterday folk will rightly question his contribution to our lack of success. I do feel that there is some over the top criticism of him though.

I’d be delighted if we could find better. Not sure we have anyone at the moment but it’s an area I’d be looking to address in the summer, whether that’s Amos and NMW coming to the fore with a replacement for Marcondes or more new players.

As for captain material again the options are thin on the ground. I think NMW could be a future captain but he obviously needs to cement his place in the side first.

I will add that a lot of non-hibs fans I speak to see him as a good player. Not sure it adds much weight to the debate but I find it interesting.

[Greensunshine]

He’s never captain material.

He’s got really good range of passing and a wand of a left foot but he’s poor out of possession and he’s not the quickest.

Saying all that, I like Joe and I’d keep him. Relieving him of the captaincy might help his all round game.

I might be being harsh but I’d question his all round fitness, he looks like he’s blowing heavily in games and struggles box to box.

[hibeerealist]

What squad? He's the best midfielder we have, so he's currently well above squad player.

Plays plenty forward passes too.


Given we aren't blessed with a very good midfield does it naturally follow that JN is a very good player as he is the "best midfielder HFC has"?

He is not a very good player and whenever we rely on him for a game changing or even positive performance, 9 times out of ten he fails. Him as captain really reflects where we are as a team.

[The Modfather]

I’m hoping Amos is his replacement next season alongside NMW. Certainly a replacement as a guaranteed starter.

A good player on his day, but the things he is good at don’t really influence a game to any great degree IMO. The stats with and without him over his time here, while not the only factor to judge on but still relevant, also suggest this.

[The Spaceman]

He’s a great player at our level in general and is undoubtedly quality. However, a leader/captain he is not.

In this league, especially with the degree of corruption and incompetence from the officials, you need a right moany/aggressive/determined bugger to get you somewhere. Shankland does it well for Hearts. Shinnie has in previous years in particular done it well for Aberdeen. Brown all those years for Celtic. Joe is not that man.

[wookie70]

I think Joe has had a decent season but he was really poor yesterday. I wonder if Fish was one of a few who were not 100% as it is rare for Newell to be lacking in energy

[Cod Boy]

Same thread every fortnight it used to be Hanlon or Stevenson

[MWHIBBIES]

Given we aren't blessed with a very good midfield does it naturally follow that JN is a very good player as he is the "best midfielder HFC has"?

He is not a very good player and whenever we rely on him for a game changing or even positive performance, 9 times out of ten he fails. Him as captain really reflects where we are as a team.

9 times out of 10 :faf:

Can't really have a discussion when such nonsense is passed off as ones argument.

[truehibernian]

Been our player of the season which reflects where we are as a side. Inconsistency is his main issue and other then second half v Luzern I’ve never seen Joe rise to the occasion in any big game since he’s been here - not once has he put in MotM performances v Hearts or the Old Firm, not once in any semi final or final. We need much better than Joe, but he has been our best player this year, there’s no debate really.

[Centre Hawf]

I always find the captaincy debate a bit tiring as for me its not hugely about what they do on the park like we used to see captains do. Sticking themselves into 50/50s and grabbing games or shouting at people etc. Every player should be doing bits of that anyway out of personal pride.

Captains have respect from their peers so that when they talk, people listen. Or if they have issues they can trust them to help sort it and keep things settled. These are things we don’t see or know about or can judge. But I can’t imagine Newell would be given captaincy duties if he didn’t earn it around the training ground in some way.

[MWHIBBIES]

Been our player of the season which reflects where we are as a side. Inconsistency is his main issue and other then second half v Luzern I’ve never seen Joe rise to the occasion in any big game since he’s been here - not once has he put in MotM performances v Hearts or the Old Firm, not once in any semi final or final. We need much better than Joe, but he has been our best player this year, there’s no debate really.

We need much better than 20 other players first, though. And since we won't be getting 20 other better ones, he'll be here next season.

Joe is a good player. Guys like David Marshall, josh Campbell, Dylan Vente, Jair, triantis, Levitt, jdh are average/bad players. Let's get rid of them. Then we can talk Newell

[easty]

I’d take better players in every position we have, but replacing Joe Newell would be down the bottom of my list of priorities

[truehibernian]

We need much better than 20 other players first, though. And since we won't be getting 20 other better ones, he'll be here next season.

Joe is a good player. Guys like David Marshall, josh Campbell, Dylan Vente, Jair, triantis, Levitt, jdh are average/bad players. Let's get rid of them. Then we can talk Newell

I agree with some on your list but Joe hasn’t been consistent and always fails to arrive in big games - he shouldn’t be excluded from the list as far as I’m concerned. Yes he’s a good player but he lacks that innate drive you need to be a very good player 👍 he’s consistent at being very inconsistent

[MWHIBBIES]

I agree with some on your list but Joe hasn’t been consistent and always fails to arrive in big games - he shouldn’t be excluded from the list as far as I’m concerned. Yes he’s a good player but he lacks that innate drive you need to be a very good player 👍 he’s consistent at being very inconsistent

Joe is not inconsistent. Lazy, wrong, boring analysis. He's been consistently decent/good for 4 seasons now. Martin Boyle is inconsistent (these days) So is Vente. So is Rocky. Joe is mostly one of our better players, and maintains a solid performance level.

[RIP]

Joe plays really well when we win. Several MOM performances this season.

Joe also plays pretty well when we draw.

However with the atrocious tactics employed by Numptyheid Joe looks ineffective when we lose. It didn't help that Marcondes clearly didn't fancy it yesterday and Boyler wasn't showing for a pass first half.

Newell can't provide the midfield engine single-handed. If you think that his midfield partners have consisted of Jake, Jimmy and Josh in recent seasons he's certainly had his work cut out.

He will be here next season, hopefully with better midfielders around him.

[truehibernian]

Joe is not inconsistent. Lazy, wrong, boring analysis. He's been consistently decent/good for 4 seasons now. Martin Boyle is inconsistent (these days) So is Vente. So is Rocky. Joe is mostly one of our better players, and maintains a solid performance level.

Lazy and boring 😂 how many derbies has he won ? How many old firm games ? How many top 6 finishes or top 3 finishes ? How many player of the month awards ? How many goals has he scored ?

A solid performance is the very least I expect from a Hibs player let alone a focal point midfielder. I want much more than a “solid performance”. I want a creative midfielder to dominate a game and drive the team week in week out. He’s not got that in him.

[MWHIBBIES]

Lazy and boring 😂 how many derbies has he won ? How many old firm games ? How many top 6 finishes or top 3 finishes ? How many player of the month awards ? How many goals has he scored ?

A solid performance is the very least I expect from a Hibs player let alone a focal point midfielder. I want much more than a “solid performance”. I want a creative midfielder to dominate a game and drive the team week in week out. He’s not got that in him.

He is creating plenty this season. 4 goals 9 assists in all comps. His best return yet.

Are you judging him purely by our entire team's failings in the last 3 years? It's all you've really mentioned. He's got more top 3 finishes then many of this forums darlings, that's for sure.

Hibs have never in my lifetime had the midfielder you describe. Not even Mcginn did that every week. Your holding Joe to the standard of Luka Modric. Total fantasy.

[Smartie]

Gray turned up in some big moments. An absolutely ****ing god for his cup goal, but it was the Alloas and Falkirks that cost us promotion.
Think Gray was okay in the premier league. No better than miller or Cadden are though. He got hooked in a semi final against Celtic after a pretty disastrous first half.

Joe wasn't good yesterday. But where is the Boyle criticism? He's a big player, who's been missing many times in big games, who costs us a lot of money, who was utter ***** yesterday. Id be getting rid of him before Joe.

Your point about Boyle is a fair one… and he certainly wasn’t spared pretty heavy criticism from the group I was poring over the game with in the pub post-match yesterday.

[Donegal Hibby]

The debate has been done to death imo.

He will always be a source of frustration as we know he can be brilliant but when you throw in a few shockers like yesterday folk will rightly question his contribution to our lack of success. I do feel that there is some over the top criticism of him though.

I’d be delighted if we could find better. Not sure we have anyone at the moment but it’s an area I’d be looking to address in the summer, whether that’s Amos and NMW coming to the fore with a replacement for Marcondes or more new players.

As for captain material again the options are thin on the ground. I think NMW could be a future captain but he obviously needs to cement his place in the side first.

I will add that a lot of non-hibs fans I speak to see him as a good player. Not sure it adds much weight to the debate but I find it interesting.
Is that then something else we lack in our team , players with leadership? .

[MWHIBBIES]

Is that then something else we lack in our team , players with leadership? .

I think we do. We had so many guys in 2015/16 who would put their body truly on the line, and drag us through vital moments. McGregor, gray, Lewis, Mcginn, Henderson, Fyvie. It allowed Hanlon, Mcgeouch, Malonga, Stokes to shine as well, as that wasn't quite their style.

[truehibernian]

I do agree with MW about Boyler though - he’s been very very poor since his return. His heads in the clouds this season.

[CB Hibs 68]

If he left this week I'd have forgotten all about him this time next week.

Thought your opinion of Hanlon was nonsense.Now your comments about Newell .Holy ****.He was awful yesterday but honestly.Doyou actually watch Hibs ? If you do wouldn’t want to within fifty meters of you .

[B.H.F.C]

Newell can be good at times. So much of our play goes through him and I think that is a problem at times also. I don’t think he’s good enough to be the main man.

I always think how much would we miss him if he wasn’t there and the answer is not that much. He hardly misses a game so it can be quite hard to gauge. He’s missed one this season which was a shocker against St Johnstone. We saw yesterday that we’re capable of having a shocker with him in the team against them as well. Since the start of 2020/21, when he became our first pick in the middle of the park, he’s not appeared in 22 league games. We’ve won 11, drawn 4 and lost 7 of those games.

If he was missing more often I don’t think we’d miss him terribly and I don’t think it would have a hugely detrimental effect on our results. I think we’ll still be having the same discussion this time next year though.

[MWHIBBIES]

I do agree with MW about Boyler though - he’s been very very poor since his return. His heads in the clouds this season.

He's not been very very poor. I never said that. Why is it such extremes. He's been very inconsistent. Scored some big goals, played some great games. Wed have been worse without him. But he's been nowhere near as good as before the move.

[Potty78]

I do agree with MW about Boyler though - he’s been very very poor since his return. His heads in the clouds this season.

Or just lost his pace which is making him less affective?

[B.H.F.C]

I do agree with MW about Boyler though - he’s been very very poor since his return. His heads in the clouds this season.

I just don’t think he’s the same player, simple as that. The pace isn’t quite what it was. I think he still has a role to play and can contribute but I don’t think he’s the player that would absolutely terrify defenders a couple of years ago.

[Brooster]

Newell was posted missing yesterday just when we needed him most.

[Potty78]

We need much better than 20 other players first, though. And since we won't be getting 20 other better ones, he'll be here next season.

Joe is a good player. Guys like David Marshall, josh Campbell, Dylan Vente, Jair, triantis, Levitt, jdh are average/bad players. Let's get rid of them. Then we can talk Newell
Won't lose any sleep about that list to be honest, maybe Vente as I think he's decent.

[Cod Boy]

Newell was posted missing yesterday just when we needed him most.

He wasn’t the only one

[MWHIBBIES]

Newell was posted missing yesterday just when we needed him most.

We needed everyone most. We need them all, every week. Joe does his job more often than most.

[jeffers]

Newell can be good at times. So much of our play goes through him and I think that is a problem at times also. I don’t think he’s good enough to be the main man.

I always think how much would we miss him if he wasn’t there and the answer is not that much. He hardly misses a game so it can be quite hard to gauge. He’s missed one this season which was a shocker against St Johnstone. We saw yesterday that we’re capable of having a shocker with him in the team against them as well. Since the start of 2020/21, when he became our first pick in the middle of the park, he’s not appeared in 22 league games. We’ve won 11, drawn 4 and lost 7 of those games.

If he was missing more often I don’t think we’d miss him terribly and I don’t think it would have a hugely detrimental effect on our results. I think we’ll still be having the same discussion this time next year though.

On the occasions he was missing I never thought to myself if only he’d been playing.

Good guy, I do believe he “gets” Hibs, but it’s a sad indictment of where we are regarding genuine leaders at the club when he’s the best candidate for captain. When we needed him to turn up yesterday in what most viewed as a must win game he had an absolute shocker. When we needed to beat Hearts last game of the season, he had another poor game. We had a chance of going on to beat them in the semi under Maloney, he stupidly got himself sent off. Those are just off the top of my head.

He clearly is a good player on his day, how often that occurs is a matter for debate, but when we really need him I wouldn’t bank on him to come through.

[Mikey_1875]

Is that then something else we lack in our team , players with leadership? .

Hard to say, as someone else pointed out leadership comes in many forms that aren’t visible to the fans. Although Paul Hanlon as club captain may still take care of things like keeping standards in the changing room/training etc.

On the pitch I don’t think we see a lot of rallying, cajoling or leading by example when the going gets tough. The captain will ideally have those qualities but everyone should have a responsibility to play a part in that imo.

[LaMotta]

On the occasions he was missing I never thought to myself if only he’d been playing.

Good guy, I do believe he “gets” Hibs, but it’s a sad indictment of where we are regarding genuine leaders at the club when he’s the best candidate for captain. When we needed him to turn up yesterday in what most viewed as a must win game he had an absolute shocker. When we needed to beat Hearts last game of the season, he had another poor game. We had a chance of going on to beat them in the semi under Maloney, he stupidly got himself sent off. Those are just off the top of my head.

He clearly is a good player on his day, how often that occurs is a matter for debate, but when we really need him I wouldn’t bank on him to come through.

Agree with this.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

While you watch the triantis/NMW double pivot of hell? Youd be missing Newell quickly.


Sounds great. Hopefully another premier league superstar like Marcondes.

I’d rather have Mccowan at Dundee. You’re a numbers man, how many goals & assists has he got this season?

[MWHIBBIES]

I’d rather have Mccowan at Dundee. You’re a numbers man, how many goals & assists has he got this season?

Do they play anything like the same position and role?

I'm really not a numbers man. I just sometimes must use them because people are utterly blind to anything else. My favourite Hibs midfielders ever didn't get many goals or assists. Stevie mallan did and he was brutal.

[Potty78]

I’d rather have Mccowan at Dundee. You’re a numbers man, how many goals & assists has he got this season?

9 goals and 5 assists👍

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Do they play anything like the same position and role?

I'm really not a numbers man. I just sometimes must use them because people are utterly blind to anything else. My favourite Hibs midfielders ever didn't get many goals or assists. Stevie mallan did and he was brutal.

Hard to tell, I don’t know Joe’s best position. After a fair few seasons now

[CapitalGreen]

Newell not turning up in an important match, well colour me shocked.

Back in December there were folk telling me how our performance in his absence at McDiarmid Park was proof of how important he was. Well he got the chance to play against Craig Levein’s St Johnstone yesterday and was absolutely pish.

Get rid.

[Steve20]

Newell is one of the most overrated players we’ve had in a long time. Decent once every so often. Never when it matters.

The fact he’s praised by some people so often is just another sign at the acceptance of mediocrity at this club.

[truehibernian]

Do they play anything like the same position and role?

I'm really not a numbers man. I just sometimes must use them because people are utterly blind to anything else. My favourite Hibs midfielders ever didn't get many goals or assists. Stevie mallan did and he was brutal.

He’s a midfielder, a creative one - which is what Joe should be but isn’t 👍 remember, Joe was originally a winger which means he was brought through the system as a “creative player”. He shows nothing of that in games that matter, end of story. He’s never ever turned in man of the match performances again Hearts, Celtic, Rangers or Aberdeen. He’s nearly always been on the losing side. He’s meant to be the player who creates, drives the team, leads by example. You simply love Joe, that’s your call and absolutely entitled to it mate - no one can criticise him in your eyes. I watch him closely every game and he’s a good player playing within himself and has no inner built drive to motivate those around him whilst himself striving week in week out to play at his peak in very important games.

[easty]

He’s a midfielder, a creative one - which is what Joe should be but isn’t 👍 remember, Joe was originally a winger which means he was brought through the system as a “creative player”. He shows nothing of that in games that matter, end of story. He’s never ever turned in man of the match performances again Hearts, Celtic, Rangers or Aberdeen. He’s nearly always been on the losing side. He’s meant to be the player who creates, drives the team, leads by example. You simply love Joe, that’s your call and absolutely entitled to it mate - no one can criticise him in your eyes. I watch him closely every game and he’s a good player playing within himself and has no inner built drive to motivate those around him whilst himself striving week in week out to play at his peak in very important games.

There’s nae way Newell is playing the same role at Hibs as McCowan is at Dundee.

[CapitalGreen]

There’s nae way Newell is playing the same role at Hibs as McCowan is at Dundee.

What role is Joe Newell playing?

[hibsbollah]

Newells a very good player.

[NC1875]

What role is Joe Newell playing?

Hide and seek champion most weeks lately

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Never a Hibs captain in his puff, decent player but we need a strong leader, not for me I'm afraid

[LaMotta]

Do they play anything like the same position and role?

I'm really not a numbers man. I just sometimes must use them because people are utterly blind to anything else. My favourite Hibs midfielders ever didn't get many goals or assists. Stevie mallan did and he was brutal.

Come on man, let the Mallan thing go.

[Onion]

Yet another likeable player who on his day can do great things, but somehow reflects the soft underbelly of Hibernian FC. Not good enough to do anything significant, but not quite bad enough to dislike.

If we want more years of transition, frustration and mediocrity, we'll continue to have players like Newall at the centre of the team. To those that think Newall is the heart of a successful future Hibs team, try place him in the Mowbray starting 11 or even in the 2016 Cup winning team. Not a chance of Newall making those teams. That's the benchmark, not the average - below average players he has around him. We need and must set the bar higher if we want a better future.

[tamig]

Gray turned up in some big moments. An absolutely ****ing god for his cup goal, but it was the Alloas and Falkirks that cost us promotion.
Think Gray was okay in the premier league. No better than miller or Cadden are though. He got hooked in a semi final against Celtic after a pretty disastrous first half.

Joe wasn't good yesterday. But where is the Boyle criticism? He's a big player, who's been missing many times in big games, who costs us a lot of money, who was utter ***** yesterday. Id be getting rid of him before Joe.

I am a fan of Joe and think he’s been excellent overall in this season of mediocrity and disappointment. But he was poor yesterday. However, its your comments on Martin Boyle I’m following up on. I don’t think he’s been the same player since coming back from the injury that cost him his World Cup adventure. To me he doesn’t seem confident to take on his full-back now and some of his positioning yesterday was very poor when he should have been moving forward into space to receive balls from Cadden or the midfield. Its been a feature of his game for months now and sadly I think we’ve seen the last of the Martin Boyle we knew and loved pre the World Cup costing injury.

[tamig]

Given we aren't blessed with a very good midfield does it naturally follow that JN is a very good player as he is the "best midfielder HFC has"?

He is not a very good player and whenever we rely on him for a game changing or even positive performance, 9 times out of ten he fails. Him as captain really reflects where we are as a team.
Your user name is a tad ironic I have to say 😁

[tamig]

Is that then something else we lack in our team , players with leadership? .

Surely not a light bulb moment? We’ve been lacking leadership on the pitch for years. Hanlon and Stevenson were never natural leaders, Joe certainly isn’t. Look at his reaction any time we lose a goal. Nothing. No geeing up the team. Porteous tried to take on a leadership role but ended up bullying less experienced team mates, especially in games where he made one of his goal costing bloopers. We need a real leader at the back and someone in the middle of the pitch as well. ALF is probably the closest we have to a real leader on thr pitch just now.

[easty]

What role is Joe Newell playing?

A much deeper one than McCowan, where he’s expected to always be available to take the ball. Which he usually is.

There’s only 6 players in the SPL this season with more assists than Newell. I’d love him to be quality every week, but that sort of player is few and far between.

[CapitalGreen]

A much deeper one than McCowan, where he’s expected to always be available to take the ball. Which he usually is.


5 years at the club and that’s the best you can come up with to define his role in the team.

[Bobby's Cinema]

I am a fan of Joe and think he’s been excellent overall in this season of mediocrity and disappointment. But he was poor yesterday. However, its your comments on Martin Boyle I’m following up on. I don’t think he’s been the same player since coming back from the injury that cost him his World Cup adventure. To me he doesn’t seem confident to take on his full-back now and some of his positioning yesterday was very poor when he should have been moving forward into space to receive balls from Cadden or the midfield. Its been a feature of his game for months now and sadly I think we’ve seen the last of the Martin Boyle we knew and loved pre the World Cup costing injury.
I agree. First half I couldn't understand how Cadden seemed to have so little of the ball while taking up a position so high up the pitch and the same could be said for Boyle. When he did get on it every touch was coming back the way we had to find a way to get him running at his man which he done to some effect later in the game when he had the chance to run at the by-line.

Partly the player, partly symptomatic of the way we play side to side without being direct or incisive enough and allow the opposition to set-up organised deep and we lose the chance to get the ball in behind or a bit of both.

I thought there signs of a few players improving when NM first came in at different points but those memories have quickly faded.

[easty]

5 years at the club and that’s the best you can come up with to define his role in the team.

I couldnae define loads of footballers roles, I dinnae feel embarrassed about it though.

I don’t need to be able to pigeon hole a player into a role, like it’s Football Manager on the PC, to know Newell and McCowan are different types of player.

However, 5 years at the club, and last season he got player and players player of the year. So whatever role he’s playing he’s obviously doing it pretty well.

This season -

only 6 players in the league have more assists, he’s got as many as Calum Mcgregor and more than Todd Cantwell.

only 2 midfielders have more accurate passes per game, McGregor and Lundstrum.

only 6 players have created more “big chances”.

only 4 players have more accurate long balls per game.

But apart from those things he’s pretty **** I suppose.

https://www.sofascore.com/tournament/football/scotland/premiership/36#id:52588,tab:top_players

[Dr_Regal]

Love the guy, but that was a horrific performance yesterday. Never put a foot right.

[MWHIBBIES]

He’s a midfielder, a creative one - which is what Joe should be but isn’t 👍 remember, Joe was originally a winger which means he was brought through the system as a “creative player”. He shows nothing of that in games that matter, end of story. He’s never ever turned in man of the match performances again Hearts, Celtic, Rangers or Aberdeen. He’s nearly always been on the losing side. He’s meant to be the player who creates, drives the team, leads by example. You simply love Joe, that’s your call and absolutely entitled to it mate - no one can criticise him in your eyes. I watch him closely every game and he’s a good player playing within himself and has no inner built drive to motivate those around him whilst himself striving week in week out to play at his peak in very important games.



Joe has turned in many good performances against those sides. He has assists in both games at Pittodrie this season. He had 2 assists against Aberdeen last season as well, and 2 against Rangers. He scored in both our successful ties in Europe this season. He is a deeper midfielder. He isn't like Campbell, McGinley etc. getting into the box. He moves us forward, takes it from the defense, wins it back etc. Things he does well.

You are more than welcome to criticism him. Just don't lie and make stuff (that I can quite easily prove wrong) up.

[MWHIBBIES]

I couldnae define loads of footballers roles, I dinnae feel embarrassed about it though.

I don’t need to be able to pigeon hole a player into a role, like it’s Football Manager on the PC, to know Newell and McCowan are different types of player.

However, 5 years at the club, and last season he got player and players player of the year. So whatever role he’s playing he’s obviously doing it pretty well.

This season -

only 6 players in the league have more assists, he’s got as many as Calum Mcgregor and more than Todd Cantwell.

only 2 midfielders have more accurate passes per game, McGregor and Lundstrum.

only 6 players have created more “big chances”.

only 4 players have more accurate long balls per game.

But apart from those things he’s pretty **** I suppose.

https://www.sofascore.com/tournament/football/scotland/premiership/36#id:52588,tab:top_players

Not really the stats of an inconsistent player.

[Forza Fred]

I’d take better players in every position we have, but replacing Joe Newell would be down the bottom of my list of priorities

This.

[Forza Fred]

Love the guy, but that was a horrific performance yesterday. Never put a foot right.

This too!

[Donegal Hibby]

Surely not a light bulb moment? We’ve been lacking leadership on the pitch for years. Hanlon and Stevenson were never natural leaders, Joe certainly isn’t. Look at his reaction any time we lose a goal. Nothing. No geeing up the team. Porteous tried to take on a leadership role but ended up bullying less experienced team mates, especially in games where he made one of his goal costing bloopers. We need a real leader at the back and someone in the middle of the pitch as well. ALF is probably the closest we have to a real leader on thr pitch just now.

Certainly doesn't seem to have leadership qualities. There was a point in our game were he was indicating to NMW to pass the ball who continued to carry on and drive forward with it .

Remember saying after Monty's first game when Killie came back from 2-0 that the midfield collapsed and Newell was awful . He's either a Rolls-Royce or a luxury we can't afford to have in midfield , been happening too often with Joe in games I'm afraid . Don't know about a light bulb moment though anyone that doesn't admit that , theres a case of the lights are on but theres nobody at home .

[MWHIBBIES]

Certainly doesn't seem to have leadership qualities. There was a point in our game were he was indicating to NMW to pass the ball who continued to carry on and drive forward with it .

Remember saying after Monty's first game when Killie came back from 2-0 that the midfield collapsed and Newell was awful . He's either a Rolls-Royce or a luxury we can't afford to have in midfield , been happening too often with Joe in games I'm afraid . Don't know about a light bulb moment though anyone that doesn't admit that , theres a case of the lights are on but theres nobody at home .

The midfield collapsed because Jeggo went off injured. It wasn't because Newell was awful. They were 3 against 2 in the middle and doing okay until then. Naturally hard to keep it up for 90 minutes.

I don't get the idea he's a luxury. He grafts as hard as any of our players. Youan and Boyle are luxuries.

[CapitalGreen]

The midfield collapsed because Jeggo went off injured. It wasn't because Newell was awful. They were 3 against 2 in the middle and doing okay until then. Naturally hard to keep it up for 90 minutes.

I don't get the idea he's a luxury. He grafts as hard as any of our players. Youan and Boyle are luxuries.

Jeggo didn’t go off injured.

[MWHIBBIES]

Jeggo didn’t go off injured.

Sorry, you're correct. Doidge did. Think we struggled to hold it up after that. Don't really remember thinking Newell was to blame. We lost 2 poor goals.

[easty]

Certainly doesn't seem to have leadership qualities. There was a point in our game were he was indicating to NMW to pass the ball who continued to carry on and drive forward with it .

Remember saying after Monty's first game when Killie came back from 2-0 that the midfield collapsed and Newell was awful . He's either a Rolls-Royce or a luxury we can't afford to have in midfield , been happening too often with Joe in games I'm afraid . Don't know about a light bulb moment though anyone that doesn't admit that , theres a case of the lights are on but theres nobody at home .

Kilmarnock got back into the game because Rocky was horse ****. All over the place (without being anywhere useful) for the first goal, then diving about like Fabio Silva and costing us the second.

That game we spent the second half getting battered down the left and right hand sides by Danny Armstrong and Matty Kennedy. Trying to shift that onto Joe Newell is a nonsense.

[keep the faith]

Make these threads stop!!

Every single time Newell isn't great (and even when he is not great he is still very good) the same thread appears populated by the same posters saying the same things.

Joe Newell is not the problem!!

And at least re-use an existing thread for this dull echo chamber, rather than a new one every time!!

[Geo_1875]

A much deeper one than McCowan, where he’s expected to always be available to take the ball. Which he usually is.

There’s only 6 players in the SPL this season with more assists than Newell. I’d love him to be quality every week, but that sort of player is few and far between.

If he was quality every week he wouldn't be at Hibs. When we get quality players it's because they have a flaw that bigger clubs won't accept

[Donegal Hibby]

Kilmarnock got back into the game because Rocky was horse ****. All over the place (without being anywhere useful) for the first goal, then diving about like Fabio Silva and costing us the second.

That game we spent the second half getting battered down the left and right hand sides by Danny Armstrong and Matty Kennedy. Trying to shift that onto Joe Newell is a nonsense.

Rocky was all over the place because he had to cover the LB position as we play with attacking fullbacks . After going 2-0 up Killie took control and put us under severe pressure which is why they came back from 2-0 . Like alot of games this year our midfield was weak . If Rocky was Horse **** in it ,what was the captain on Saturday ? .

[easty]

Rocky was all over the place because he had to cover the LB position as we play with attacking fullbacks . After going 2-0 up Killie took control and put us under severe pressure which is why they came back from 2-0 . Like alot of games this year our midfield was weak . If Rocky was Horse **** in it ,what was the captain on Saturday ? .

Newell was **** on Saturday. I don't think anyone has said otherwise. You're the one that brought up that Killie game though, not me. I dunno why you'd chose a game that we didn't lose because of Joe Newell, to make a point about how **** you think Joe Newell is?

[andrew70]

When we need to take the game to teams Newell is a man down. Pinging quarterback like passes over the heads of full backs/wingers is so frustrating.

He thinks he’s great but really he is terrible.

Need to get rid asap.

Captain, don’t make me laugh.

[Donegal Hibby]

Newell was **** on Saturday. I don't think anyone has said otherwise. You're the one that brought up that Killie game though, not me. I dunno why you'd chose a game that we didn't lose because of Joe Newell, to make a point about how **** you think Joe Newell is?

I actually don't think Newells ***** . On his day he's very good and is like a Rolls Royce in midfield , other times like against St Johnstone he's a luxury player we can't afford to carry . I brought up the Killie game because he give the ball away 3 or 4 times that day and the Killie midfield came back into the game and dominated ours . While I agree there's issues with the defence the midfield all season has been the main problem imo .

[tamig]

Certainly doesn't seem to have leadership qualities. There was a point in our game were he was indicating to NMW to pass the ball who continued to carry on and drive forward with it .

Remember saying after Monty's first game when Killie came back from 2-0 that the midfield collapsed and Newell was awful . He's either a Rolls-Royce or a luxury we can't afford to have in midfield , been happening too often with Joe in games I'm afraid . Don't know about a light bulb moment though anyone that doesn't admit that , theres a case of the lights are on but theres nobody at home .

Think you missed the point. Its been obvious for years we’ve lacked true leadership on the pitch. Not just something thats happened this season

Your critique of Joe Newell’s performances is way wide of the mark. He’s been very good in most of the games this season. A luxury we can’t afford? A nonsense statement.

[CapitalGreen]

Think you missed the point. Its been obvious for years we’ve lacked true leadership on the pitch. Not just something thats happened this season

Your critique of Joe Newell’s performances is way wide of the mark. He’s been very good in most of the games this season. A luxury we can’t afford? A nonsense statement.

Nobody in this team has been very good in most of the games this season.

Why are the standards we expect of managers/administrators so much higher than those we expect of players?

[jeffers]

Nobody in this team has been very good in most of the games this season.

Why are the standards we expect of managers/administrators such much higher than those we expect of players?

:agree: I’m struggling to come up with a player of the season such has been the inability of any player to be consistently good.

Re Newell he’s not been consistently good or consistently bad this season, he’s been consistently inconsistent :greengrin.

[Donegal Hibby]

Think you missed the point. Its been obvious for years we’ve lacked true leadership on the pitch. Not just something thats happened this season

Your critique of Joe Newell’s performances is way wide of the mark. He’s been very good in most of the games this season. A luxury we can’t afford? A nonsense statement.

I've watched games were Joe's been excellent in and games were he's not , has he been very good in most is debatable imo though I suppose as a Joe Newell fan you'll not admit that though . The proof was in the pudding on Saturday when a 21 year old sub was our best midfielder. Both Newell and Marcondes had poor games though more so Joe and not for the first time this year unfortunately.

[MWHIBBIES]

I've watched games were Joe's been excellent in and games were he's not , has he been very good in most is debatable imo though I suppose as a Joe Newell fan you'll not admit that though . The proof was in the pudding on Saturday when a 21 year old sub was our best midfielder. Both Newell and Marcondes had poor games though more so Joe and not for the first time this year unfortunately.

Joe had a poor game by his standards Saturday. He's been better than NMW since both have been together here.

Joe has had many more good games than bad this season. Days like Saturday have been rare.

[Unseen work]

It’s funny how it’s always certain players picked out.

Other than myself moaning about him, I’ve seen next to no criticism for Boyle on Saturday.

He was missing/hiding far more than Joe was.

Wasn’t Newells best game, but I don’t have for one second he was hiding etc,

[Hibernian Verse]

It’s funny how it’s always certain players picked out.

Other than myself moaning about him, I’ve seen next to no criticism for Boyle on Saturday.

He was missing/hiding far more than Joe was.

Wasn’t Newells best game, but I don’t have for one second he was hiding etc,

If you ask someone to explain "hiding" in the context of Joe Newell they don't respond.

[hibsbollah]

A week without a Joe Newell thread is like a week without sunshine.

[Centre Hawf]

Joe Newell will definitely go down as a player we wish we appreciated more while we had him. I'd probably even put him ahead of Dylan McGeouch as a general better player in that midfield role and folk would have brought him back at all costs for years after he left and failed elsewhere. The difference is Joe never had John McGinn beside him.

[CapitalGreen]

Joe Newell will definitely go down as a player we wish we appreciated more while we had him. I'd probably even put him ahead of Dylan McGeouch as a general better player in that midfield role and folk would have brought him back at all costs for years after he left and failed elsewhere. The difference is Joe never had John McGinn beside him.

Jeezy peeps.

[Centre Hawf]

Jeezy peeps.

Dylan McGeouch was a great player on his day, but lets not pretend he was perfect either. If we want creativity and someone carrying a goal involvement then Joe has routinely done better than McGeouch in that department every season he's been here over McGeouchs best ever return.

[andrew70]

Joe Newell will definitely go down as a player we wish we appreciated more while we had him. I'd probably even put him ahead of Dylan McGeouch as a general better player in that midfield role and folk would have brought him back at all costs for years after he left and failed elsewhere. The difference is Joe never had John McGinn beside him.

😂😂

[CapitalGreen]

Dylan McGeouch was a great player on his day, but lets not pretend he was perfect either. If we want creativity and someone carrying a goal involvement then Joe has routinely done better than McGeouch in that department every season he's been here over McGeouchs best ever return.

Your commitment to the bit is admirable.

[Centre Hawf]

Your commitment to the bit is admirable.

McGeouch was a good player for Hibs, I'm not going to say otherwise. But I think Joe is at least on the same level ability wise as him as a centre midfielder. The only difference is Joe hasn't won anything with us.

[easty]

Joe Newell will definitely go down as a player we wish we appreciated more while we had him. I'd probably even put him ahead of Dylan McGeouch as a general better player in that midfield role and folk would have brought him back at all costs for years after he left and failed elsewhere. The difference is Joe never had John McGinn beside him.

Absolutely agree with this.

Loved McGeough tae, but Newell the better player.

[ekhibee]

On the occasions he was missing I never thought to myself if only he’d been playing.

Good guy, I do believe he “gets” Hibs, but it’s a sad indictment of where we are regarding genuine leaders at the club when he’s the best candidate for captain. When we needed him to turn up yesterday in what most viewed as a must win game he had an absolute shocker. When we needed to beat Hearts last game of the season, he had another poor game. We had a chance of going on to beat them in the semi under Maloney, he stupidly got himself sent off. Those are just off the top of my head.

He clearly is a good player on his day, how often that occurs is a matter for debate, but when we really need him I wouldn’t bank on him to come through.
The most accurate post for me.

[ekhibee]

Think you missed the point. Its been obvious for years we’ve lacked true leadership on the pitch. Not just something thats happened this season

Your critique of Joe Newell’s performances is way wide of the mark. He’s been very good in most of the games this season. A luxury we can’t afford? A nonsense statement.
I can't agree with that. The team has been generally poor this season and just because he might not have been as bad as some others is a long way from being very good. We're not a particularly good team at the moment but he's not the worst of the bunch, leave it at that IMO

[The Modfather]

Joe Newell will definitely go down as a player we wish we appreciated more while we had him. I'd probably even put him ahead of Dylan McGeouch as a general better player in that midfield role and folk would have brought him back at all costs for years after he left and failed elsewhere. The difference is Joe never had John McGinn beside him.

I think one of the biggest issues is that Newell essentially does the McGeough role, but one midfield position forward from where McGeough did it. Which is why we’ve had a midfield bereft of any drive and athleticism the whole time he’s been here as there’s someone behind Newell also doing a similar role.

For me Newell should be our deepest midfielder playing the McGeough deep lying playmaker role, or not play him at all. IMO the role he plays between a deeper midfielder and a more advanced midfielder is the key to the midfield and a position that needs energy, drive and athleticism, which isn’t Newell’s game.

[hibeerealist]

Joe had a poor game by his standards Saturday. He's been better than NMW since both have been together here.

Joe has had many more good games than bad this season. Days like Saturday have been rare.

What? Are you JN in disguise?

[BoomtownHibees]

I'd probably even put him ahead of Dylan McGeouch as a general better player in that midfield role

Holy ****

[hibeerealist]

Joe Newell will definitely go down as a player we wish we appreciated more while we had him. I'd probably even put him ahead of Dylan McGeouch as a general better player in that midfield role and folk would have brought him back at all costs for years after he left and failed elsewhere. The difference is Joe never had John McGinn beside him.


Had to read this twice to make sure I got what I thought you were saying CH, your posts are usually good too.

JN cannot protect a ball in any way close to DM nor can he pass a ball anywhere as good as DM.

JN puts in decent corners and free kicks but please lets no compare him to DM

[MWHIBBIES]

What? Are you JN in disguise?

I'm not, no. I think NMW is decent actually, but we're doing our usual "shiny new thing" stuff with him. Same as Marcondes. Newell still our best midfielder imo.

NMW was hooked against RC, and we were much better without. Daft red card Vs Huns as well.

[ekhibee]

I'm not, no. I think NMW is decent actually, but we're doing our usual "shiny new thing" stuff with him. Same as Marcondes. Newell still our best midfielder imo.

NMW was hooked against RC, and we were much better without. Daft red card Vs Huns as well.

He was much better than Newell when he came on on Saturday, but it's hard to compare them as they carry out different roles in the team.

[andrew70]

I'm not, no. I think NMW is decent actually, but we're doing our usual "shiny new thing" stuff with him. Same as Marcondes. Newell still our best midfielder imo.

NMW was hooked against RC, and we were much better without. Daft red card Vs Huns as well.

Newell being “our best midfielder” sums up why we are so bad in that position and why we signed several midfielders in January. He wouldn’t even be playing if Amos was fully fit.

NMW miles ahead of him too.

[hibeerealist]

I'm not, no. I think NMW is decent actually, but we're doing our usual "shiny new thing" stuff with him. Same as Marcondes. Newell still our best midfielder imo.

NMW was hooked against RC, and we were much better without. Daft red card Vs Huns as well.

I think we will have to agree to disagree on this one MWH

[MWHIBBIES]

He was much better than Newell when he came on on Saturday, but it's hard to compare them as they carry out different roles in the team.

He was yes. Probably the first time he has been, though.

[MWHIBBIES]

Newell being “our best midfielder” sums up why we are so bad in that position and why we signed several midfielders in January. He wouldn’t even be playing if Amos was fully fit.

NMW miles ahead of him too.

No, he'd still be playing every week. It's Campbell, JDH, and Jeggo these guys are replacing. Not Newell.

[Centre Hawf]

Had to read this twice to make sure I got what I thought you were saying CH, your posts are usually good too.

JN cannot protect a ball in any way close to DM nor can he pass a ball anywhere as good as DM.

JN puts in decent corners and free kicks but please lets no compare him to DM

Happy to admit I’m perhaps in the minority here. But I think Joe’s overall game can go quite underrated and sometimes elements of McGeouchs are raised up a notch with nostalgia glasses.

Joe’s ability to drive with the ball and take men on, his tackling, and his long passing are all probably something I would say was better than McGeouchs. I also think Newell tends to be riskier with his passing in the final third which can be either a positive or a hindrance depending on your thoughts on our first goal on Saturday.

Where he falls short is he probably doesn’t recycle and move the ball quickly like DM and perhaps his reading of the game isn’t the same, I always thought DM was underrated at interceptions because his positioning was excellent.

My initial point wasn’t to tear down DM or anything like that, but more to say that I do genuinely rate parts of JN’s game very very highly.

[keep the faith]

Joe Newell will definitely go down as a player we wish we appreciated more while we had him. I'd probably even put him ahead of Dylan McGeouch as a general better player in that midfield role and folk would have brought him back at all costs for years after he left and failed elsewhere. The difference is Joe never had John McGinn beside him.

I agree. Newell is by far a better player than Mcgeoch. Has way more to his game and is also a bigger contributer.

BTW DM spent most of his time on the treatment table and yet still shot off at the end of his contract. Newell loves this club.

[MWHIBBIES]

I agree. Newell is by far a better player than Mcgeoch. Has way more to his game and is also a bigger contributer.

BTW DM spent most of his time on the treatment table and yet still shot off at the end of his contract. Newell loves this club.

I'm sure Dylan loves Hibs too. His best days were here. Great player.
Played with much better than Joe ever has at Hibs. Both quality players in a Hibs shirt.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Holy ****

My thoughts exactly. What.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

I agree. Newell is by far a better player than Mcgeoch. Has way more to his game and is also a bigger contributer.

BTW DM spent most of his time on the treatment table and yet still shot off at the end of his contract. Newell loves this club.

Don’t let his “love for the club” taint your vision. Mcgeough was player of the year ahead of Mcginn. Although I agree he had much better players alongside him than super Joey

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Joe had a poor game by his standards Saturday. He's been better than NMW since both have been together here.

Joe has had many more good games than bad this season. Days like Saturday have been rare.

MW, NMW has less than 50 first team apps under his belt. The gap In quality isn’t as big as you think considering Joe’s experience. Been impressed with NMW

[neil7908]

My issue with Newell is the same with a lot of this Hibs team - consistency (or lack of).

I've seen Newell boss games and put on 10/10 performances. I understand at our level finding someone to do that week in, week out is nearly impossible but there are far too many times we have far too many players on the pitch who are having an off day, end Joe is definitely part of that problem.

File Marcondes, Boyle Youan and the whole defence in that category as well.

We have some talented players but far, far too many of them are not playing to their potential game after game.

[neil7908]

MW, NMW has less than 50 first team apps under his belt. The gap In quality isn’t as big as you think considering Joe’s experience. Been impressed with NMW

I've been really impressed with NMW. He's still raw but he always puts in a real shift and shows an energy and desire that is lacking too often in our team. Triantis has done well as a DM but NMW starts for me every time.

[Greensunshine]

McGeouch was a good player for Hibs, I'm not going to say otherwise. But I think Joe is at least on the same level ability wise as him as a centre midfielder. The only difference is Joe hasn't won anything with us.

Joe’s biggest problem is that he’s very slow and cumbersome. I think he blows out his backside getting from box to box.

Saying that he has plenty strengths also, one being an eye for a quick pass and a wand of a left foot.

Hard to compare him Dylan as I think Dylan had better quality players around him. We had a proper midfield back then that was a joy to watch.

[BILLYHIBS]

McGeouch was brilliant at keeping the ball moving and the master at controlling the pace and tempo of a game not perfect by any means reminded me of a Barry Ferguson or a young Ray Wilkins perhaps could have done with scoring more but had others in the team that could do that

Scored a cracker against Aberdeen at Hampden following a neat one two with Grant Holt before limping off with a pulled hammy

What I have seen so far this season I am far from Newell’s biggest fan ( said on another thread I just don’t trust him) but would go with JN, NMW Triantis and AN Other

The AN Other is the problem it is now April and we still do not know our strongest team ��

[JimBHibees]

I agree. Newell is by far a better player than Mcgeoch. Has way more to his game and is also a bigger contributer.

BTW DM spent most of his time on the treatment table and yet still shot off at the end of his contract. Newell loves this club.

No chance imo