Brian McDermott

[RIP]

AKA The Invisible Man

Kensall has done well with stadium improvements, investment and hospitality additions. He's generated income which is what someone with his background is expected to do.

The club made a big hoorah about the recruitment of Brian McDermott as Football Director to lead the football operation.

On signings he may get a pass but how many of our teams are performing to expectations this season?

And when is he going to be held accountable for his performance?

[Jones28]

Did a Longbangers episode last year and since then..?

[RIP]

Did a Longbangers episode last year and since then..?

CMon Matty, invite him back with an interviewing panel.

[Alfred E Newman]

Did a Longbangers episode last year and since then..?

Cracked some one liners at the AGM.

[Jack]

Cracked some one liners at the AGM.

I wasn't that impressed. Sounded to me he was doing an interview for a chat show host job rather than the DoF at an elite football club.

[ChuckNor]

I have it on good authority that the business done in Jan was all him and many staff feared we’d fail to get anyone in.

[jeffers]

I’m wondering who will be next to get flak. The kit man ? Seems it’s open season.

[Ozyhibby]

I’m wondering who will be next to get flak. The kit man ? Seems it’s open season.

The team are rubbish, what do you expect. Anybody connected with the football management side of the business is failing and deserves the flack.


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[Winston Ingram]

There was some chat at the game yesterday that he’s away in the summer.

[Tully]

The structure is wrong from top to bottom, the product on the park is terrible, we have been here so many times and nothing has changed in that time, the money we have wasted is incredible

[bingo70]

I have it on good authority that the business done in Jan was all him and many staff feared we’d fail to get anyone in.

I’ve read that a few times but I still don’t know what it means?!

Regarding McDermott, I’ve been disappointed with what he’s offered so far, I thought his contacts he was meant to be finding unhidden gems from the youth ranks down south and all over the world. His best signings so far have been guys who used to play for him a hundred years ago.

Seems a bit of a pointless wage imo.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Lol this forum is wild after a defeat.

[B.H.F.C]

I’m wondering who will be next to get flak. The kit man ? Seems it’s open season.

We were talking about this yesterday after the game. In these circumstances everyone gets it. It was right after I was moaning about the guy on the tannoy getting stuff wrong!

On the point of McDermott though, I do think there is some valid questions to be asked. Two transfer windows in and we’re going to be looking at another huge turnaround in the third whilst not really being any closer to have it the spine of a team. And it’s now more than likely that we’ll go in to next season with yet another manager.

[Vini1875]

Don't think Brian McDermott is the problem. He has to work within budget constraints and hopefully that should be a bigger and consequently better players. I think the business we did in Jan was decent and has improved the team, with the exception of the defence. I am sure that will be rectified in the summer, whoever the manager is.

[jeffers]

We were talking about this yesterday after the game. In these circumstances everyone gets it. It was right after I was moaning about the guy on the tannoy getting stuff wrong!

On the point of McDermott though, I do think there is some valid questions to be asked. Two transfer windows in and we’re going to be looking at another huge turnaround in the third whilst not really being any closer to have it the spine of a team. And it’s now more than likely that we’ll go in to next season with yet another manager.

I agree. I was being flippant with my earlier post, to an extent. I think BMcD has had a bit of a mixed bag. Some real quality has come in since he was appointed, a few poor signings too. His biggest black mark would be the appointment of Monty.

I was told we have big plans for this summer, what that actually looks like I’m not sure.

[Is It On....]

Don't think Brian McDermott is the problem. He has to work within budget constraints and hopefully that should be a bigger and consequently better players. I think the business we did in Jan was decent and has improved the team, with the exception of the defence. I am sure that will be rectified in the summer, whoever the manager is.

All recruitment departments in any business have to operate within a budget. The key to recruitment is the process the hiring manager follows and, for the last few years, ours simply hasn't been good enough. The positive is that the right person in charge with the right process can sort out previous mistakes and improve things pretty quickly. The question then becomes is whether Ian Gordon and Ben Kensall are prepared to admit they have gotten things seriously wrong since removing Mathie and Ross within a matter of months. We have to hope that Mr Foley shows them the error of their ways if they can't see it themselves.

[Greenio]

AKA The Invisible Man

Kensall has done well with stadium improvements, investment and hospitality additions. He's generated income which is what someone with his background is expected to do.

The club made a big hoorah about the recruitment of Brian McDermott as Football Director to lead the football operation.

On signings he may get a pass but how many of our teams are performing to expectations this season?

And when is he going to be held accountable for his performance?


You'll give him a pass on signings but want him to answer for how the team is performing?

Eh?

[jeffers]

All recruitment departments in any business have to operate within a budget. The key to recruitment is the process the hiring manager follows and, for the last few years, ours simply hasn't been good enough. The positive is that the right person in charge with the right process can sort out previous mistakes and improve things pretty quickly. The question then becomes is whether Ian Gordon and Ben Kensall are prepared to admit they have gotten things seriously wrong since removing Mathie and Ross within a matter of months. We have to hope that Mr Foley shows them the error of their ways if they can't see it themselves.

From my recollection Ron made the unilateral decision to sack Ross.

[K-Zazu]

Needing to sign a centre half in January, getting Bevan who was injured and getting sent back to Bournemouth and Triantis who has started playing in midfield ahead of NMW. Was that the plan? We needed to fix our defence badly I don’t know if if that’s all McDermott’s fault but having to rely on Fish and Bushiri for the rest of the season is pretty pathetic

[DarlingtonHibee]

I wasn't that impressed. Sounded to me he was doing an interview for a chat show host job rather than the DoF at an elite football club.

Totally agree. Had a great opportunity to explain in a few minutes his role and responsibilities.

Instead totally failed trying to be a comedian...

[Alfred E Newman]

Totally agree. Had a great opportunity to explain in a few minutes his role and responsibilities.

Instead totally failed trying to be a comedian...

Yip, it was cringe worthy.

[Hibees1973]

McDermott should be blamed as well. 100%.

Everyone recruited by Kensell and The Gordons to the footballing part of Hibs have failed over the last 2 - 3 years. They have sacked 3 complete management/coaching teams (Ross/Maloney/Johnson). Know they didn't recruit Ross but they punted him at the first opportunity. Looks like Montgomery's lot will be next.

What a waste of time and money.

Common thread here is all these sackings have been under the watch of Kensell & The Gordons. Kensell can be removed easily which leaves us with Ian Gordon at the helm.

Ian Gordon. Anytime I've come across him he's like a rabbit in the headlights.

We are in one serious mess.

[JimBHibees]

The pile on really is quite nauseating

[Nicho87]

I’d rather bm was a more chief scout with his contacts etc

I think hibs need a sporting director type so there is constant link between board, first team, reserves, academy

I think we’re all over the shop now

Kensell can’t keep getting away with hiring failed managers at the club though

[7Hero]

Gordon is the head of the football department. He sat at the AGM and said nothing. We can't have the owner of the company heading up the football department it makes no sense.

McDermott was surprised to get the job, he has said this multiple times , I'd have preferred we hired someone who didn't think they were beneath the position, someone who has worked at a level above us.

The one thing we need from the Foley connection is a massive influence in a positive way over the football department , it is clearly an area the current incumbents are unable to work in a way that sees us improve onfield performances..

Dud managers apoointed, clear gaps in the squad over a period of years and massive underperformance on the field in that time too.

[K-Zazu]

The pile on really is quite nauseating

Watching Hibs this season is quite nauseating.

[Since452]

Not convinced. But we're sitting 7th in a crap league so who would be?

[matty_f]

Did a Longbangers episode last year and since then..?

He didn't - we've never spoken to him.

[matty_f]

CMon Matty, invite him back with an interviewing panel.

We have a long standing request to get him on, but it's never happened.

[Ronniekirk]

I’ve read that a few times but I still don’t know what it means?!

Regarding McDermott, I’ve been disappointed with what he’s offered so far, I thought his contacts he was meant to be finding unhidden gems from the youth ranks down south and all over the world. His best signings so far have been guys who used to play for him a hundred years ago.

Seems a bit of a pointless wage imo.
He was a freelance scouting fir clubs a lot bigger than ours Maybe he is struggling to get players to come to hibs That was always my biggest concern

[micksoo]

Malky Mackay was at the game yesterday, saw him heading up the stairs from the Albion with our chairman. Maybe not related. 🤔

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Just sack everyone! That’ll work

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Malky Mackay was at the game yesterday, saw him heading up the stairs from the Albion with our chairman. Maybe not related. 🤔

You just made that up didn’t you?

[micksoo]

You just made that up didn’t you?

Not at all. Wearing light coloured suit.

[Cameron1875]

The Vente signing has to be on him. Long discussions with Vente flying over to Edinburgh on more than one occasion and given the full sales pitch by Brian. A big financial expense for Hibs in transfer fee and can't imagine the wages will be cheap either.

He's sitting on single figure goals and been utterly useless since October. Yeah, he may have been signed to suit Johnson's system but then you'd need to tell me there was even a system in the first place!

The other mob in Gorgie have a number 9 is on 20 odd goals who has fired them to Europe.

It's painful in comparison and the lack of communication + general transfer plan isn't filling me with confidence.

[SaulGoodman]

Not at all. Wearing light coloured suit.

Well I wouldn’t imagine he would wear a dark coloured one.

[supermcginn]

I'd give him the managers job he done a great job at Reading in the best league in the world.

[Itsnoteasy]

I'd give him the managers job he done a great job at Reading in the best league in the world.

Would still be the same $h1t3 players being signed.

[ChuckNor]

The Vente signing has been disastrous for player and club. I imagine we will take a sizable loss in the summer when he leaves (I understand this is desired on player’s end).

[Just_Jimmy]

The Vente signing has been disastrous for player and club. I imagine we will take a sizable loss in the summer when he leaves (I understand this is desired on player’s end).Seems standard for hibs.

Sign dross. Dross leaves.

Sign decent player, make them dross, decent player leaves, becomes decent or good at another club.

Sign loan player, is decent, leaves to be decent or good at another club

Sign loan player, is crap, doesn't play or is sent back early.

Sign loan player, is decent, comes back for longer, is dross and leaves.

Think that's roughly how we work?

Oh!

Sign complete no name youngster who's never ready.

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[ShadesLongThrow]

Malky Mackay was at the game yesterday, saw him heading up the stairs from the Albion with our chairman. Maybe not related. 🤔

Saw him too. Difficult to avoid in a cream suit and tie holding court behind the directors box before kick off.

[bingo70]

Saw him too. Difficult to avoid in a cream suit and tie holding court behind the directors box before kick off.

I do love a good Malky Mackay debate.

Fwiw I think he’d be good in the job McDermott is doing and I wouldn’t be against him getting a job with us.

I’m aware of his past but I think it’s important to give people second chances. The show racism the red card campaign are happy with him working in football again, as were the SFA when they employed him. Everyone needs to move on from his past imo.

[Jones28]

He didn't - we've never spoken to him.

Sorry Matty, thought it was you guys.

Did the club ever do an official interview?

It was about 50 minutes long or something?

[Jones28]

You just made that up didn’t you?

Radio said so too tbf

[Silky]

You just made that up didn’t you?

Source?

[JimBHibees]

Sorry Matty, thought it was you guys.

Did the club ever do an official interview?

It was about 50 minutes long or something?

Was on the Hibees buzz. Can get it on Hibs tv YouTube. Good listen

[Unseen work]

You just made that up didn’t you?

https://x.com/snsgroup/status/1776612876205133842?s=46&t=jmxs-mZWT_cnYbURW-GKJw

[Viva_Palmeiras]

https://www.hibsobserver.co.uk/news/24037152.mcdermott-explains-hibs-strategy-utmost-faith-monty/

For me of all the folks we need for stability it’s Brian.
Tying to sort the culture will not be an overnight fix.
Ite bad enough the managers changing - that’s imo one of the problems - the collateral damages it leaves in its wake. The DoF should have that overarching perspective so we hire players for Hibs irrespective of managers (in my view).
Ross fancies himself as a Sporting Director - DoF. Apparently very few have played or managed. Brian has done both. So I’d be careful about ripping it all up and starting again. Unless we want to emulate Aberdeen.

[RIP]

Some on here appear to be confused about Brian's role. He is not Head of Recruitment.

He is the Director of Football. Montys boss. Calvin Charlton's boss. Grant Scott's boss. Beuzy's boss.

If any of the Football departments are underperforming, they have to account to Brian. If the coaches individual performances are poor, then the responsibility for coaching them rests with Brian.

Montys tactics are his weak area. Othet SPL Managers have the beating of him. I want to know what Brian is doing to support Nick.

Can't see anything wrong with asking why he's apparently hiding from the support either.

[Unseen work]

Some on here appear to be confused about Brian's role. He is not Head of Recruitment.

He is the Director of Football. Montys boss. Calvin Charlton's boss. Grant Scott's boss. Beuzy's boss.

If any of the Football departments are underperforming, they have to account to Brian. If the coaches individual performances are poor, then the responsibility for coaching them rests with Brian.

Montys tactics are his weak area. Othet SPL Managers have the beating of him. I want to know what Brian is doing to support Nick.

Can't see anything wrong with asking why he's hiding from the support.

There a difference between hiding and just doing his job in the background

Personally, I prefer a DoF who isn’t in the press and we only hear from him once a year or whatever

He’s actually done a couple of interviews on Hibs TV before games too

[eastmainsmsh]

[QUOTE=bingo70;7629797]I’ve read that a few times but I still don’t know what it means?!

Regarding McDermott, I’ve been disappointed with what he’s offered so far, I thought his contacts he was meant to be finding unhidden gems from the youth ranks down south and all over the world. His best signings so far have been guys who used to play for him a hundred years ago.

It was seemingly BM that sounded out Vente

[jeffers]

[QUOTE=bingo70;7629797]I’ve read that a few times but I still don’t know what it means?!

Regarding McDermott, I’ve been disappointed with what he’s offered so far, I thought his contacts he was meant to be finding unhidden gems from the youth ranks down south and all over the world. His best signings so far have been guys who used to play for him a hundred years ago.

It was seemingly BM that sounded out Vente

He met with him and his girlfriend and sold the club to him. I’m not sure he actually identified him in the first place, I think that was maybe Ian Gordon.

[RIP]

There a difference between hiding and just doing his job in the background

Personally, I prefer a DoF who isn’t in the press and we only hear from him once a year or whatever

He’s actually done a couple of interviews on Hibs TV before games too

If the performances of the football departments are anything to go by, there's precious little evidence that he is 'doing his job'. I'm all for 'Unseen Work' as long as something is working.

Where's the proof that he's effective?

[eastmainsmsh]

[QUOTE=eastmainsmsh;7630272]

He met with him and his girlfriend and sold the club to him. I’m not sure he actually identified him in the first place, I think that was maybe Ian Gordon.

I had heard that BM was scouting for Sunderland and tipped them off about DV

[TheGog]

The Vente signing has been disastrous for player and club. I imagine we will take a sizable loss in the summer when he leaves (I understand this is desired on player’s end).

McDermott has come out and said Gordon was following Vente for a few seasons. So not his signing.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Just sack everyone! That’ll work

lts easy to say and it does feel like many folks are thinking this.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

[QUOTE=bingo70;7629797]I’ve read that a few times but I still don’t know what it means?!

Regarding McDermott, I’ve been disappointed with what he’s offered so far, I thought his contacts he was meant to be finding unhidden gems from the youth ranks down south and all over the world. His best signings so far have been guys who used to play for him a hundred years ago.

It was seemingly BM that sounded out Vente

He brought ALF (think it was his first) as he brought more that what we see on the pitch. If you are trying to build something around culture (something I think we all support) that’s a decent start. I don’t think ALF accepts mediocrity.

[RIP]

Just sack everyone! That’ll work

If you were struggling at work would you be sacked or put on an improvement plan? Would you not be asked to explain how you are approaching the challenges facing you?

Quite often there are extenuating circumstances that explain poor performance. But when a Director of Football has low visibility he cannot be held to account.

Sacking would only ever be a last resort surely?

[CapitalGreen]

If you were struggling at work would you be sacked or put on an improvement plan? Would you not be asked to explain how you are approaching the challenges facing you?

Quite often there are extenuating circumstances that explain poor performance. But when a Director of Football has low visibility he cannot be held to account.

Sacking would only ever be a last resort surely?

BMcD is accountable to the board of directors. Does he have low visibility to the board of directors?

[MagicSwirlingShip]

If you were struggling at work would you be sacked or put on an improvement plan? Would you not be asked to explain how you are approaching the challenges facing you?

Quite often there are extenuating circumstances that explain poor performance. But when a Director of Football has low visibility he cannot be held to account.

Sacking would only ever be a last resort surely?

I wasn’t being serious.

[Chorley Hibee]

I don't think Brian will be here beyond the summer.

That's my opinion from my own conversation with him.

[MWHIBBIES]

Gordon is the head of the football department. He sat at the AGM and said nothing. We can't have the owner of the company heading up the football department it makes no sense.

McDermott was surprised to get the job, he has said this multiple times , I'd have preferred we hired someone who didn't think they were beneath the position, someone who has worked at a level above us.

The one thing we need from the Foley connection is a massive influence in a positive way over the football department , it is clearly an area the current incumbents are unable to work in a way that sees us improve onfield performances..

Dud managers apoointed, clear gaps in the squad over a period of years and massive underperformance on the field in that time too.
Brian McDermott has worked many levels above us.

[04Sauzee]

I don't think Brian will be here beyond the summer.

That's my opinion from my own conversation with him.

Because he wants to move on?

[ScottB]

Never really got why we employed Brian, what players he himself has identified that we’ve signed or what role he’d have post BK investment where we’ve already seen players being made available through that connection.

Makes sense to move on from him and bring in someone via the BKs. Indeed I’d do that for all the first team connected roles at this point.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Never really got why we employed Brian, what players he himself has identified that we’ve signed or what role he’d have post BK investment where we’ve already seen players being made available through that connection.

Makes sense to move on from him and bring in someone via the BKs. Indeed I’d do that for all the first team connected roles at this point.

if you don’t get why we hired a DoF (he doesn’t actually like the term) then perhaps that’s why you’re suggesting we move on thinking it’s would either have a non-disruptive effect on the club or a positive.

weve suffered from lack of continuity with manages the DoF is supposed to smooth that. We can’t be chopping and changing them - unless we want to follow the Aberdeen Model…? Can’t keep going down the rip it up and start again surely ? Would in bit be better to have Brian work with them? Who knows (the board do!) what constraints Brian has been operating under - perhaps Brian was brought in in advance of the deal and more opps appear as a result of the tie-up / funding? Time will tell.

[Billy Whizz]

Never really got why we employed Brian, what players he himself has identified that we’ve signed or what role he’d have post BK investment where we’ve already seen players being made available through that connection.

Makes sense to move on from him and bring in someone via the BKs. Indeed I’d do that for all the first team connected roles at this point.

I’d say Obita and Jo Jo were his signings

[Iain G]

I wasn't that impressed. Sounded to me he was doing an interview for a chat show host job rather than the DoF at an elite football club.

Elite football club? I thought he worked for Hibs 😁

[RIP]

I wasn’t being serious.

That wasn't in doubt. 😅

What appeared to be in doubt was your quip suggesting that critique of the Director of Football was the same as calling for his head. Its acknowledged that Montys tactics are baffling, easy for opposition managers to play against and he's inexperienced in this league.

But he's meant to be part of a bigger team of people running the football side of the club under Brian McDermott. Yet Nick and the players are the only ones being held accountable for our league position. Sometimes Kensall, sometimes Gordon (Neither of whom are involved in that side of the club now), but never McDermott.

I'm not gunning for the man, just trying to understand what he brings to the party.

[we are hibs]

That wasn't in doubt. 😅

What appeared to be in doubt was your quip suggesting that critique of the Director of Football was the same as calling for his head. Its acknowledged that Montys tactics are baffling, easy for opposition managers to play against and he's inexperienced in this league.

But he's meant to be part of a bigger team of people running the football side of the club under Brian McDermott. Yet Nick and the players are the only ones being held accountable for our league position. Sometimes Kensall, sometimes Gordon (Neither of whom are involved in that side of the club now), but never McDermott.

I'm not gunning for the man, just trying to understand what he brings to the party.

Ian Gordon is still involved in the football side of the club.

[Bayern Bru]

I’d say Obita and Jo Jo were his signings

Lee Johnson had Wollacott at Bristol City, I’d imagine Jojo was his signing. ALF was probably McDermott-led, though.


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[JimBHibees]

I’d say Obita and Jo Jo were his signings

Alf maybe

[Hibiza]

Brian : Aka Peter Brady / Aka " The Invisible Man.

[Greenio]

That wasn't in doubt. 😅

What appeared to be in doubt was your quip suggesting that critique of the Director of Football was the same as calling for his head. Its acknowledged that Montys tactics are baffling, easy for opposition managers to play against and he's inexperienced in this league.

But he's meant to be part of a bigger team of people running the football side of the club under Brian McDermott. Yet Nick and the players are the only ones being held accountable for our league position. Sometimes Kensall, sometimes Gordon (Neither of whom are involved in that side of the club now), but never McDermott.

I'm not gunning for the man, just trying to understand what he brings to the party.

He's there to have a 'focus across the recruitment of players and football operations such as scouting, analysis, sports science, and medicine".

So we were told

I don't know what his report card really looks like but it looks no that good ATM seeing as we're not doing that well on the pitch.

If we were there would be no chat about him at all.

[MWHIBBIES]

Brian : Aka Peter Brady / Aka " The Invisible Man.

Why wouldn't our DoF be invisible? Id imagine he is busy working. What do you expect him to do?

[ScottB]

if you don’t get why we hired a DoF (he doesn’t actually like the term) then perhaps that’s why you’re suggesting we move on thinking it’s would either have a non-disruptive effect on the club or a positive.

weve suffered from lack of continuity with manages the DoF is supposed to smooth that. We can’t be chopping and changing them - unless we want to follow the Aberdeen Model…? Can’t keep going down the rip it up and start again surely ? Would in bit be better to have Brian work with them? Who knows (the board do!) what constraints Brian has been operating under - perhaps Brian was brought in in advance of the deal and more opps appear as a result of the tie-up / funding? Time will tell.

I don’t get why we hired him as DoF specifically, a role he himself seems to be surprised he was offered, not that we shouldn’t have one in general.

[Centre Hawf]

I think we need a Director of Football or whatever title you want them to have, purely because I think it provides us with a continuity between managers. But if I'm honest Brian McDermott didn't exactly fill me with confidence that he was a man with an ethos and a plan on how to improve our football club over the next 5 years.



What is the preferred formation or style we want to see managers play when hired by the club? That way we can continuously recruit without fear of ripping up the blueprint in time.
What do we want to see from them in a coaching perspective in regards to younger players or introducing our academy products?
How do we carry on that process should we find success and our manager gets taken from us, or worse we're ***** and we have to get rid?


Those are just three of what will be many things that I would expect to understand from a DoF so that we're on a route to not being where we are in 5 or more years time where we're just pissing into the wind with recruitment and appointments.

At the moment I do not understand what his plan is, if he even has one. I said before about Vente and Youan that we hired a manager in Monty that didn't seem to want to play to their strengths and instead remould the squad into some 442 playing machine or with a striker playing false 9 etc. These don't strike me as decisions made with joined up thinking. If we spent the best part of £1.5m on players last summer the first thing I would expect is we do everything in our power to give them a platform to go be successful signings, I think we've done nothing short of the opposite of that and we're likely going to have to write off whatever investment we've made into players last summer because of it.

Total shambles.

[Unseen work]

I think we need a Director of Football or whatever title you want them to have, purely because I think it provides us with a continuity between managers. But if I'm honest Brian McDermott didn't exactly fill me with confidence that he was a man with an ethos and a plan on how to improve our football club over the next 5 years.



What is the preferred formation or style we want to see managers play when hired by the club? That way we can continuously recruit without fear of ripping up the blueprint in time.
What do we want to see from them in a coaching perspective in regards to younger players or introducing our academy products?
How do we carry on that process should we find success and our manager gets taken from us, or worse we're ***** and we have to get rid?


Those are just three of what will be many things that I would expect to understand from a DoF so that we're on a route to not being where we are in 5 or more years time where we're just pissing into the wind with recruitment and appointments.

At the moment I do not understand what his plan is, if he even has one. I said before about Vente and Youan that we hired a manager in Monty that didn't seem to want to play to their strengths and instead remould the squad into some 442 playing machine or with a striker playing false 9 etc. These don't strike me as decisions made with joined up thinking. If we spent the best part of £1.5m on players last summer the first thing I would expect is we do everything in our power to give them a platform to go be successful signings, I think we've done nothing short of the opposite of that and we're likely going to have to write off whatever investment we've made into players last summer because of it.

Total shambles.


You say things in this in an attempt to have a go at McDermott without knowing if he does or doesn’t have them in place.

You mention the 442. Both Youan and Vente can play in a 442, both could be strikers for example. How the manager chooses to use them is upto him. Now Monty has changed formation it’s even more suited to our best players.

A DoF should 100% not be setting the guidelines on what sort of formation we play. An ‘approach’ or ‘philosophy’ yeah fair enough, but most managers now as days will say the same about attacking football etc but delivering it is a different job all together.

Introducing younger players from the academy - if that was one of McDermotts then he’s got a man in Montgomery who has delivered that.

A contingency should Montgomery leave? Well it’s impossible to judge considering he’s not done that. I imagine he’ll have a list of guys he likes and would want to speak to, however that can change on a week to week basis depending on getting news jobs etc

McDermott seems a man of action and not words imo. He could come out in an interview and mention everything possible to get fans on board, but it means absolutely nothing unless they actually manage to achieve it - he’ll know this himself.

[Centre Hawf]

You say things in this in an attempt to have a go at McDermott without knowing if he does or doesn’t have them in place.

You mention the 442. Both Youan and Vente can play in a 442, both could be strikers for example. How the manager chooses to use them is upto him. Now Monty has changed formation it’s even more suited to our best players.

A DoF should 100% not be setting the guidelines on what sort of formation we play. An ‘approach’ or ‘philosophy’ yeah fair enough, but most managers now as days will say the same about attacking football etc but delivering it is a different job all together.

Introducing younger players from the academy - if that was one of McDermotts then he’s got a man in Montgomery who has delivered that.

A contingency should Montgomery leave? Well it’s impossible to judge considering he’s not done that. I imagine he’ll have a list of guys he likes and would want to speak to, however that can change on a week to week basis depending on getting news jobs etc

McDermott seems a man of action and not words imo. He could come out in an interview and mention everything possible to get fans on board, but it means absolutely nothing unless they actually manage to achieve it - he’ll know this himself.

He might not set the formation and of course a manager can change his tactics as games come and go to win each game, but usually you'll see a thread throughout a season of what a manager prefers or what his squad plays best in. In my opinion we ripped up whatever plan we had in the summer for something different with Montgomery for nearly half a season.

I'm not asking McDermott to exactly pick the formation but when it comes to the recruitment of a new manager he should probably be aware that perhaps our players didn't suit the system Montgomery liked to play at his previous job. At the very least there should have been wheels in motion for us to get him players that could play that 442 system, instead we played a system that didn't work and then recruited for a different one more reminiscent to what we previously again and went back to it.

That doesn't to me sound like we have a joined up or mid to longer term thought process on what we're trying to achieve as a whole from a football department.

[Unseen work]

He might not set the formation and of course a manager can change his tactics as games come and go to win each game, but usually you'll see a thread throughout a season of what a manager prefers or what his squad plays best in. In my opinion we ripped up whatever plan we had in the summer for something different with Montgomery for nearly half a season.

I'm not asking McDermott to exactly pick the formation but when it comes to the recruitment of a new manager he should probably be aware that perhaps our players didn't suit the system Montgomery liked to play at his previous job. At the very least there should have been wheels in motion for us to get him players that could play that 442 system, instead we played a system that didn't work and then recruited for a different one more reminiscent to what we previously again and went back to it.

That doesn't to me sound like we have a joined up or mid to longer term thought process on what we're trying to achieve as a whole from a football department.

I’d imagine that’s a conversation he had with Montgomery though. “Do you think you can implement your 442 formation with the current group of players”

I think even at mariners the wide midfielders were more wingers than say a right midfielder in the style of a Cadden.

He’d have looked at the squad and thought with the players we’ve got he could pull it off. He started off well with Vente scoring regularly, ALF getting injured really disrupted the team imo.

Just because it’s not worked as well as we hoped, doesn’t mean the questions weren’t asked.

[andrew70]

Brian is a great character, dry but good to listen to.

What he doesn’t know about football isn’t worth knowing. He also speaks candidly about his personal issues. He is up here, away from his family, the initial job was a 3 - 6 month role. He’s been here a lot longer than even he expected.

He won’t be here much longer. Who we get to replace him and work with NM etc is pivotal.

Brian McDermott would be a huge loss to the club if we don’t get his replacement right. Whilst I am at it so would IG, KG, BK and MM. we are very lucky to have all the right people who care deeply about our club.

The football side will see a huge improvement this summer no doubt about it. We are a club going in the right way and these calls to sack everyone are mental.

[bingo70]

Brian is a great character, dry but good to listen to.

What he doesn’t know about football isn’t worth knowing. He also speaks candidly about his personal issues. He is up here, away from his family, the initial job was a 3 - 6 month role. He’s been here a lot longer than even he expected.

He won’t be here much longer. Who we get to replace him and work with NM etc is pivotal.

Brian McDermott would be a huge loss to the club if we don’t get his replacement right. Whilst I am at it so would IG, KG, BK and MM. we are very lucky to have all the right people who care deeply about our club.

The football side will see a huge improvement this summer no doubt about it. We are a club going in the right way and these calls to sack everyone are mental.

I’ve never met the people running the club so it’s reassuring to hear from people like you that have and still have such confidence in them.

I disagree with your last sentence though, it’s a results driven business and no matter what club you’re at, if results aren’t there, pressure and calls to be sacked will follow, I am afraid that’s just the nature of the beast when having a job in football, I’m sure Brian McDermott will know that better than anyone.

[Winston Ingram]

Hibs Central saying he’s away in the summer so I’m assuming someone has said it on the PM board.

[Tyler Durden]

Brian is a great character, dry but good to listen to.

What he doesn’t know about football isn’t worth knowing. He also speaks candidly about his personal issues. He is up here, away from his family, the initial job was a 3 - 6 month role. He’s been here a lot longer than even he expected.

He won’t be here much longer. Who we get to replace him and work with NM etc is pivotal.

Brian McDermott would be a huge loss to the club if we don’t get his replacement right. Whilst I am at it so would IG, KG, BK and MM. we are very lucky to have all the right people who care deeply about our club.

The football side will see a huge improvement this summer no doubt about it. We are a club going in the right way and these calls to sack everyone are mental.

In what way was his role a 3-6 month job?

[Unseen work]

Shame if true, seems weird only having him in for 12 months.

Malky Mackay his replacement? At the game on Saturday it was that a coincidence?

[andrew70]

In what way was his role a 3-6 month job?

He believed he was coming up to steady the ship so to speak. It was his wife that told him to take the job.

He didn’t and still doesn’t like the tag of director of football. He is very open about this.

He’s said similar in two or three different chats with him. Not directly with myself but in a group setting.

[andrew70]

I’ve never met the people running the club so it’s reassuring to hear from people like you that have and still have such confidence in them.

I disagree with your last sentence though, it’s a results driven business and no matter what club you’re at, if results aren’t there, pressure and calls to be sacked will follow, I am afraid that’s just the nature of the beast when having a job in football, I’m sure Brian McDermott will know that better than anyone.

Yes he will, but he’s also aware of the bigger picture.

[ScottB]

Shame if true, seems weird only having him in for 12 months.

Malky Mackay his replacement? At the game on Saturday it was that a coincidence?

Not sure we’d need someone who would seek to ‘limit’ the players we could choose from as he would.

[flash]

Not sure we’d need someone who would seek to ‘limit’ the players we could choose from as he would.

You have lost me here.

[bingo70]

You have lost me here.

Sure he was referring to Mackays previous indiscretions.

Some people will never forget that, as is their right. I personally find that a bit of a shame, everyone deserves a second chance IMO.

Each to their own though.

[Tyler Durden]

He believed he was coming up to steady the ship so to speak. It was his wife that told him to take the job.

He didn’t and still doesn’t like the tag of director of football. He is very open about this.

He’s said similar in two or three different chats with him. Not directly with myself but in a group setting.

That sounds quite different from what Hibs announced. Another mess of an appointment if things play out the way that you anticipate.

Time will tell.

[andrew70]

That sounds quite different from what Hibs announced. Another mess of an appointment if things play out the way that you anticipate.

Time will tell.

Why is it a mess?

He’s done what he set out to do, bring in a good coach and improve the squad. Not his fault LJ pulled rank in the summer and filled the squad with the likes of Harbottle.

BMc and IG have supplemented the squad with quality in Jan. Myziane was a player who BMc had scouted for Arsenal a few years back. Emiliano would have been at Hibs in the summer if it was for BMc and better fitness.

He’s stabilised us which was what he came in for. Was never a long term appt I feel and certainly never took it as such when listening to him.

[Winston Ingram]

Why is it a mess?

He’s done what he set out to do, bring in a good coach and improve the squad. Not his fault LJ pulled rank in the summer and filled the squad with the likes of Harbottle.

BMc and IG have supplemented the squad with quality in Jan. Myziane was a player who BMc had scouted for Arsenal a few years back. Emiliano would have been at Hibs in the summer if it was for BMc and better fitness.

He’s stabilised us which was what he came in for. Was never a long term appt I feel and certainly never took it as such when listening to him.

He’s certainly not done that. That appointment and the decision to ignore all the red flags and stick with him has knackerred this season.

[andrew70]

He’s certainly not done that. That appointment and the decision to ignore all the red flags and stick with him has knackerred this season.

We will continue to see marked improvement as he gets more of his own players in and the longer he works conclusively with Brian McDermott or whoever is in his place.

[Tyler Durden]

Why is it a mess?

He’s done what he set out to do, bring in a good coach and improve the squad. Not his fault LJ pulled rank in the summer and filled the squad with the likes of Harbottle.

BMc and IG have supplemented the squad with quality in Jan. Myziane was a player who BMc had scouted for Arsenal a few years back. Emiliano would have been at Hibs in the summer if it was for BMc and better fitness.

He’s stabilised us which was what he came in for. Was never a long term appt I feel and certainly never took it as such when listening to him.

Because a DOF is not a short term role. If he was coming in as a short term consultant then Hibs should have said so.

I don’t think we went through a lengthy process to recruit McDermott, to do the same thing 12 months later. He hasn’t achieved anything as it stands.

Of course this is all just speculation.

[Winston Ingram]

We will continue to see marked improvement as he gets more of his own players in and the longer he works conclusively with Brian McDermott or whoever is in his place.

Continue? That’s incredible claim he’s not demonstrated a single thing to suggest he knows what he’s doing.

[andrew70]

Continue? That’s incredible claim he’s not demonstrated a single thing to suggest he knows what he’s doing.

I politely disagree however happy to amend and say we will see a marked improvement next season with Montgomery still at the helm.

[Chorley Hibee]

Because a DOF is not a short term role. If he was coming in as a short term consultant then Hibs should have said so.

I don’t think we went through a lengthy process to recruit McDermott, to do the same thing 12 months later. He hasn’t achieved anything as it stands.

Of course this is all just speculation.

I mentioned earlier, from my own conversation with Brian, that I don't think he'll be here beyond the summer.

Everything Andrew mentions, in his post, was part of our conversation too.

I was shocked, because I also thought this was a long-term appointment.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

That wasn't in doubt. 😅

What appeared to be in doubt was your quip suggesting that critique of the Director of Football was the same as calling for his head. Its acknowledged that Montys tactics are baffling, easy for opposition managers to play against and he's inexperienced in this league.

But he's meant to be part of a bigger team of people running the football side of the club under Brian McDermott. Yet Nick and the players are the only ones being held accountable for our league position. Sometimes Kensall, sometimes Gordon (Neither of whom are involved in that side of the club now), but never McDermott.

I'm not gunning for the man, just trying to understand what he brings to the party.

He’s not got anything to do with tactics. Why would he? FWIW I think our recruitment has been better since he’s been here, and any critique of his position should be put on the shelf.

[matty_f]

Because a DOF is not a short term role. If he was coming in as a short term consultant then Hibs should have said so.

I don’t think we went through a lengthy process to recruit McDermott, to do the same thing 12 months later. He hasn’t achieved anything as it stands.

Of course this is all just speculation.
I agree, this is why I've tried to be clear when I say that when I don't know what McDermott does, it's nothing other than my ignorance and not a judgement on his work.

He's only been in role about a year, it shouldn't be a surprise that we've not seen tons of results linked to his work because it should mostly be stuff that takes time to bear fruit.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I agree, this is why I've tried to be clear when I say that when I don't know what McDermott does, it's nothing other than my ignorance and not a judgement on his work.

He's only been in role about a year, it shouldn't be a surprise that we've not seen tons of results linked to his work because it should mostly be stuff that takes time to bear fruit.

Which is why I’m scratching my head - if true - at him moving on in a sense.
In another sense being away from home for so long and apart from family is something that’s only sustainable for a period.
I don’t think bottom 6 was part of the plan.
Injuries and VAR have not been kind but thems the breaks.

[Ozyhibby]

Brian is a great character, dry but good to listen to.

What he doesn’t know about football isn’t worth knowing.

He doesn’t seem to know how to make Hibs successful. That’s worth knowing.


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[Ozyhibby]

We will continue to see marked improvement as he gets more of his own players in and the longer he works conclusively with Brian McDermott or whoever is in his place.

Continue? Where has there been improvement?


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[Slim Shady]

Why is it a mess?

He’s done what he set out to do, bring in a good coach and improve the squad. Not his fault LJ pulled rank in the summer and filled the squad with the likes of Harbottle.

BMc and IG have supplemented the squad with quality in Jan. Myziane was a player who BMc had scouted for Arsenal a few years back. Emiliano would have been at Hibs in the summer if it was for BMc and better fitness.

He’s stabilised us which was what he came in for. Was never a long term appt I feel and certainly never took it as such when listening to him.



There is a possibility that he was involved in a major error, hypothetically this would cost the club a lot money.

Maybe thats why he's been missing of late.

If this did happen, then he would be forced to leave the club. :hmmm:

[Winston Ingram]

I politely disagree however happy to amend and say we will see a marked improvement next season with Montgomery still at the helm.

I fear he'll be doing it at a fairly empty stadium as i fear season ticket sales will be rotten if he's still in charge.

I? will pick you up on your 'continue' to see an improvement comment as he's made us worse.

[Winston Ingram]

He’s not got anything to do with tactics. Why would he? FWIW I think our recruitment has been better since he’s been here, and any critique of his position should be put on the shelf.

I'd agree with this. If he did, he'd have insisted NM abandoned that nonsense 442 formation 20 games earlier when it was clear to anyone with a brain cell it was never going to work.

[green day]

I fear he'll be doing it at a fairly empty stadium as i fear season ticket sales will be rotten if he's still in charge.


ST sales are up considerably on the same time as last year - I got that from the TO last week.

[Winston Ingram]

ST sales are up considerably on the same time as last year - I got that from the TO last week.

That'll be down to the seat release being brought forward by 2 months.

[Heisenberg]

I politely disagree however happy to amend and say we will see a marked improvement next season with Montgomery still at the helm.

There’s been little to suggest Montgomery has what it takes to bring us marked improvement imo. There’s been wee bursts of light here and there but overall it’s been slightly worse than LJ, which is quite an achievement.

I understand at some stage we need to back one of them but he also has to show he’s got what it takes by winning us points. Bottom six finish and he’s gone without a question for me. Even 6th I wouldn’t be desperate to keep him.

[green day]

That'll be down to the seat release being brought forward by 2 months.

Some will be - but unless 25-30% of our ST holders are looking to move seats, our numbers are looking excellent in comparison to last year.

I think people like the price hold and the early bird offer.

[RIP]

He’s not got anything to do with tactics. Why would he? FWIW I think our recruitment has been better since he’s been here, and any critique of his position should be put on the shelf.

You are still conflating the DOF role with a Head of Recruitment role. Calvin Charlton identifies players and submits them to Nick and Brian, unless they have their own contacts of course.

Main Roles and Responsibilities of a DOF
Most sporting directors today have a more strategic role in the football operations of a club. Depending on the size of the club and the agreements in place with the head coach or manager, the responsibilities may vary, but these are typically some of the tasks a director of football works on:

Player Recruitment and transfers:
One of the priority tasks of a Director of Football is to identify and recruit players who can enhance the team's performance. They work closely with scouts and the club's Recruitment Department to identify target positions, select targets, negotiate transfers, and secure player contracts.

Team strategy and philosophy:
The Director of Football collaborates with the coaching staff to develop and implement the team's playing style and tactical philosophy. They often work with coaches within the youth setup too in order to ensure a playing style is implemented at all levels and young players making the step up to the first team are well prepared.

Contract negotiations:
Handling player contracts, negotiations, and extensions is an essential responsibility. They also work to resolve contract disputes and manage player relations.

Youth development:
Nurturing young talents within the club's academy system is crucial for sustainable success. The Director of Football oversees the youth development program and ensures a smooth transition of talents to the senior team.

Sporting infrastructure and facilities:
They are involved in the development of training facilities, sports science programs, and other aspects that improve the overall sporting infrastructure of the club.

Budgeting and financial planning:
Collaborating with the club's financial department, the Director of Football ensures that transfer activities align with the club's budget and long-term financial strategy.

Pretty much the George Craig role under Leeann Dempster. Should be fairly standard responsibilities for a DOF, I would suggest.

[jakeshibs]

I fear he'll be doing it at a fairly empty stadium as i fear season ticket sales will be rotten if he's still in charge.

I? will pick you up on your 'continue' to see an improvement comment as he's made us worse.


I have renewed mine,

[Alex Trager]

Because a DOF is not a short term role. If he was coming in as a short term consultant then Hibs should have said so.

I don’t think we went through a lengthy process to recruit McDermott, to do the same thing 12 months later. He hasn’t achieved anything as it stands.

Of course this is all just speculation.
Hard agree.

The DoF is one of, if not the, most important roles at the club.

They should oversee everything in the footballing operation setting standards, expectations, style, and transfer policy.

They should be here for a long time, 5 years plus.

[Alex Trager]

ST sales are up considerably on the same time as last year - I got that from the TO last week.

Red herring I reckon.

They’ll fall off a cliff shortly once early bird finishes.

[One Day Soon]

Ian Gordon is still involved in the football side of the club.

He is? In what sense?

[Winston Ingram]

I have renewed mine,

So have I, but I did purely to keep my seat.

[Winston Ingram]

Some will be - but unless 25-30% of our ST holders are looking to move seats, our numbers are looking excellent in comparison to last year.

I think people like the price hold and the early bird offer.

There's 8 of us that go together. We've all renewed and it was purely down to the seat release. My Mother-in-law her pals are in a group of 7. They've all renewed early and again, it was down to the seat release.

[One Day Soon]

If we finish this season in the manner we are now - and NM is kept in post - season ticket sales will stagnate. Just as bad as that, the atmosphere at the start of next season will be non-existent and it will move to poisonous very quickly if the same approach continues to be followed.

[jeffers]

Some will be - but unless 25-30% of our ST holders are looking to move seats, our numbers are looking excellent in comparison to last year.

I think people like the price hold and the early bird offer.

It’s a real bugbear of mine that the seat release was way before the early bird date. If you are a season ticket holder who wanted to keep their existing seat, as I’m sure most do (maybe not those who sit near me :greengrin) then effectively the seat release date is when the early bird ends. I would have held off renewing mine otherwise.

[green day]

It’s a real bugbear of mine that the seat release was way before the early bird date. If you are a season ticket holder who wanted to keep their existing seat, as I’m sure most do (maybe not those who sit near me :greengrin) then effectively the seat release date is when the early bird ends. I would have held off renewing mine otherwise.

You are right, it was a bit annoying - maybe they knew the season was going to end up this way and wanted to get as many thru the door as possible :greengrin

Back on topic, I really have no idea what BM does, if he is fully on top of the football side thats great.

But someone mentioned earlier that his role might be quite short term - thats not really what we need from a DoF as how we play, type of player and manager we need, succession planning etc are all med to long term actions.

[jeffers]

You are right, it was a bit annoying - maybe they knew the season was going to end up this way and wanted to get as many thru the door as possible :greengrin

Back on topic, I really have no idea what BM does, if he is fully on top of the football side thats great.

But someone mentioned earlier that his role might be quite short term - thats not really what we need from a DoF as how we play, type of player and manager we need, succession planning etc are all med to long term actions.

I’m a big fan of his. Admittedly it’s not all been great, but I’m hopeful he’s going nowhere in the short term.

[Is It On....]

Why is it a mess?

He’s done what he set out to do, bring in a good coach and improve the squad. Not his fault LJ pulled rank in the summer and filled the squad with the likes of Harbottle.

BMc and IG have supplemented the squad with quality in Jan. Myziane was a player who BMc had scouted for Arsenal a few years back. Emiliano would have been at Hibs in the summer if it was for BMc and better fitness.

He’s stabilised us which was what he came in for. Was never a long term appt I feel and certainly never took it as such when listening to him.

LJ, or whoever is the manager, should not be allowed to pull rank. The manager identifies a position that needs improved and the recruitment team should have already done the detailed data analysis and have a core list of candidates. That way you create a recruitment process with continuity and give yourself the best highest probability of selecting the right players. We will get far more right with a methodical process that the old agent / scout / manager has a nose for a good player method

[Paulie Walnuts]

Brian is a great character, dry but good to listen to.

What he doesn’t know about football isn’t worth knowing. He also speaks candidly about his personal issues. He is up here, away from his family, the initial job was a 3 - 6 month role. He’s been here a lot longer than even he expected.

He won’t be here much longer. Who we get to replace him and work with NM etc is pivotal.

Brian McDermott would be a huge loss to the club if we don’t get his replacement right. Whilst I am at it so would IG, KG, BK and MM. we are very lucky to have all the right people who care deeply about our club.

The football side will see a huge improvement this summer no doubt about it. We are a club going in the right way and these calls to sack everyone are mental.

We’re in 7th place, having yet another crap season, something that has happened every season that the folk you’ve listed have been here, and yet near enough every single person of any sort of importance at the club behind the scenes (and our apparently ‘good coach’ presumably)would be a huge loss?

That either suggests that they’re all doing great jobs but we’re missing numerous people in numerous key roles causing the whole thing to fall down.. or they’re not actually doing great jobs and they wouldn’t be huge losses. I know what one my money is on.

[Brightside]

We will continue to see marked improvement as he gets more of his own players in and the longer he works conclusively with Brian McDermott or whoever is in his place.

Great news - Hope this is true.

[Brightside]

There is a possibility that he was involved in a major error, hypothetically this would cost the club a lot money.

Maybe thats why he's been missing of late.

If this did happen, then he would be forced to leave the club. :hmmm:

What does this actually mean? What major error was he involved in? When you say missing of late...he was away for a week or so getting his hips replaced.

So are you now suggesting he's been forced to leave the club?

[Winston Ingram]

What does this actually mean? What major error was he involved in? When you say missing of late...he was away for a week or so getting his hips replaced.

So are you now suggesting he's been forced to leave the club?

The hiring of a completely incompetent manager.

[MKHIBEE]

The hiring of a completely incompetent manager.

Did he know he was incompetent when he was hired?

[Back Lounge]

Brian : Aka Peter Brady / Aka " The Invisible Man.

Not invisible at all. Was in the row in front of me at Stevenage vs Barnsley this evening.

[JohnM1875]

Not invisible at all. Was in the row in front of me at Stevenage vs Barnsley this evening.

Wonder who, if anyone, he was watching. Back interested in Jamie McCart? Maybe Nicky Cadden? Sam Cosgrove?

Probably none of them to be fair.

[Unseen work]

Wonder who, if anyone, he was watching. Back interested in Jamie McCart? Maybe Nicky Cadden? Sam Cosgrove?

Probably none of them to be fair.

Jamie Reid from Stevenage? 18 goals this season and called up for Northern Ireland recently

29 though and this season seems a bit of a one off and is the highest level he’s played at.

[Iain G]

The hiring of a completely incompetent manager.

He is not completely incompetent, no matter howmmany times you say he is. Is he good enough right now for Hibs, maybe not, but hardly incompetent.

[Winston Ingram]

He is not completely incompetent, no matter howmmany times you say he is. Is he good enough right now for Hibs, maybe not, but hardly incompetent.

He's not shown a shred of competence from what I've seen.

From his decisions to give a 16-year-old centre forwards their debuts in their dying minutes when leading 2-1 at St Mirren, sticking with a 442 for 20+ games when it was clear it was never going to work pretty much immediately, his total inability to sort the defence and the fact he's won 8 games out of 30 with the quality of the squad we've got. Add to that his deluded interviews.

He's the definition of incompetence.

[Brightside]

Did he know he was incompetent when he was hired?

He’s not incompetent now. Perhaps the poster is incompetent with his understand of the language he’s using. When you are so anti a person you’ll never be able to have a decent discussion about him. I was the same with LJ for example. But my reasons were much clearer.
Monty is far from incompetent as a coach. He’s respected by players and the wider Hibernian staff.

[Winston Ingram]

He’s not incompetent now. Perhaps the poster is incompetent with his understand of the language he’s using. When you are so anti a person you’ll never be able to have a decent discussion about him. I was the same with LJ for example. But my reasons were much clearer.
Monty is far from incompetent as a coach. He’s respected by players and the wider Hibernian staff.

I totally understand what incompetent is. I also asked others to provide evidence of what it is he is competent at, and instead of providing evidence of this competence, I get personal accusations of being 'anti a person', whatever that is.

It's fairly common when people have hee haw to back up their arguments, the first step is to have a pop at the person asking the question.

[Brightside]

I totally understand what incompetent is. I also asked others to provide evidence of what it is he is competent at, and instead of providing evidence of this competence, I get personal accusations of being 'anti a person', whatever that is.

It's fairly common when people have hee haw to back up their arguments, the first step is to have a pop at the person asking the question.

If he’s incompetent does that mean about 80% of managers are incompetent? You spent months saying he was sticking to 442 and even when he explained what he was doing you said he was making it up. It’s been pretty clear to other people. He knows more about football than anyone on this forum. Yet people are calling him clueless? You used to be a decent poster in the past.

[Winston Ingram]

If he’s incompetent does that mean about 80% of managers are incompetent? You spent months saying he was sticking to 442 and even when he explained what he was doing you said he was making it up. It’s been pretty clear to other people. He knows more about football than anyone on this forum. Yet people are calling him clueless? You used to be a decent poster in the past.

Where have ye pulled 80% from?

He was sticking to 442. It was clear as day he was playing 442. He came out himself after he was being questioned about the 442 and said '442 was the shape and it wouldn't be changing'. Are we ignoring that are we?

What other people was it clear to? It was pretty clear to plenty other people on here that he was still playing it and pundits like McManus and Michael Stewart that he was still playing it.

The first time he deviated from it was a Forfar when he played Rudy there for 55 mins and then went straight back to it.