Lee Johnson revisited

[andrew_dundee]

Lee Johnson may have led us to some totally guff performances, but he also had the odd good streak with some surprisingly decent results.

In the hypothetical scenario that he had been kept on, how do you think the season would have gone?

I expect probably fewer draws but perhaps more hammerings (especially during the December period where we had lots of players out) but also probably more unexpected wins.

Overall I reckon we would be in a similar position but probably even more fan anger.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Lee Johnson may have led us to some totally guff performances, but he also had the odd good streak with some surprisingly decent results.

In the hypothetical scenario that he had been kept on, how do you think the season would have gone?

I expect probably fewer draws but perhaps more hammerings (especially during the December period where we had lots of players out) but also probably more unexpected wins.

Overall I reckon we would be in a similar position but probably even more fan anger.

Can only base my assessment on the three league games he had before he was punted. I don't think he'd have turned that around. We'd be 7th.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Lee Johnson may have led us to some totally guff performances, but he also had the odd good streak with some surprisingly decent results.

In the hypothetical scenario that he had been kept on, how do you think the season would have gone?

I expect probably fewer draws but perhaps more hammerings (especially during the December period where we had lots of players out) but also probably more unexpected wins.

Overall I reckon we would be in a similar position but probably even more fan anger.

Difficult to even guess, would we have brought in same players in Jan window for example?

[The Modfather]

Exactly as it has at best. At worst flirting with the relegation places like Aberdeen.

[B.H.F.C]

Few extra wins, few extra defeats, few less draws.

Position would be much the same at best. Then again, those first three league games were as disorganised as I have ever seen.

[Ozyhibby]

Johnson was a terrible manager and there should be no reassessing that just because Monty is also a terrible manger or worse.
It’s like saying Fenlon wasn’t bad just because Butcher proved to be so much worse.


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[HH81]

He was sacked by Fleetwood after proving we made the right call.

[Crab apple]

Although he had arguably a weaker squad than NM he was still a crap manager and was rightly punted.

[SHODAN]

No

[Paulie Walnuts]

No doubt in my mind we’d have more points and would have seen better football.

Would still have been fairly crap though, just not quite this crap.

[Is It On....]

Lee Johnson may have led us to some totally guff performances, but he also had the odd good streak with some surprisingly decent results.

In the hypothetical scenario that he had been kept on, how do you think the season would have gone?

I expect probably fewer draws but perhaps more hammerings (especially during the December period where we had lots of players out) but also probably more unexpected wins.

Overall I reckon we would be in a similar position but probably even more fan anger.

Just because Montgomery hasn't worked out, doesn't mean LJ was a good manager

[matty_f]

No doubt in my mind we’d have more points and would have seen better football.

Would still have been fairly crap though, just not quite this crap.

What's that based on? There are plenty parallels from Johnson to Monty - bear in mind we also went into the final pre-split game last season needing a win against a brutal St Johnstone) to guarantee top 6. We didn't win.

[Keith_M]

If he'd been kept on, 'd imagine we'd be pretty much in the same position we are now

[MWHIBBIES]

Johnson was a terrible manager and there should be no reassessing that just because Monty is also a terrible manger or worse.
It’s like saying Fenlon wasn’t bad just because Butcher proved to be so much worse.


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Fenlon wasn't actually bad though. He inherited a terrible squad, fighting relegation took us to 7th and left with us 5th. Boring football maybe but he done a not bad job with what he had.

[Paulie Walnuts]

What's that based on? There are plenty parallels from Johnson to Monty - bear in mind we also went into the final pre-split game last season needing a win against a brutal St Johnstone) to guarantee top 6. We didn't win.

Just my opinion, not necessarily based on fact. I think we’d have been better results wise under LJ than we are under NM. I’ve no doubt in my mind it would have been better to watch.

[Greensunshine]

Another one who’d maybe still be here had he learned that it’s just as important to keep the back door shut as it is to play attacking football.

Top priority for next season for whoever is in the hot seat.

[Since452]

Probably would have won a derby but lost to Livi

[Keepthefaith]

Just my opinion, not necessarily based on fact. I think we’d have been better results wise under LJ than we are under NM. I’ve no doubt in my mind it would have been better to watch.

there's some really brutal revisionism going on here. football better under Johnson? the football for the most part was dire under LJ. at least under Monty we play a passing game (and yes I know folk will say its too slow / negative and it has been at times) but there is a clear intent to play through teams - some of the 1-2s yesterday were lovely and if they had come off we'd have been celebrating some lovely goals. under LJ we lumped it forward too much expecting Boyle to win us a game. there was no plan B, no consistent tactics. I'd much rather have Monty build a solid base (which I accept isn't giving the results we want and need) and then push on next year with improvements to the squad.

the players monty has brought in have for the most part improved us - individual errors in defence and bad refereeing decisions have contributed to us failing, and failing badly given the position we're in. however do you really think LJ would have been able to attract a player of Maolida or Marcondes quality? his acquisition of NMW has been sound and he made a difference when he came on yesterday in driving us forward.

to suggest we'd have been better results wise with more attractive football is IMO absolutely crazy. Mionty has much still to prove for sure, but when you look at LJ under us and then at Fleetwood where he also got found out, it does come across as a bit of an anti-monty agenda to say what you've said.

[Clarence]

LJ and Monty are like two cheeks of the same backside of a season.

[snedzuk]

there's some really brutal revisionism going on here. football better under Johnson? the football for the most part was dire under LJ. at least under Monty we play a passing game (and yes I know folk will say its too slow / negative and it has been at times) but there is a clear intent to play through teams - some of the 1-2s yesterday were lovely and if they had come off we'd have been celebrating some lovely goals. under LJ we lumped it forward too much expecting Boyle to win us a game. there was no plan B, no consistent tactics. I'd much rather have Monty build a solid base (which I accept isn't giving the results we want and need) and then push on next year with improvements to the squad.

the players monty has brought in have for the most part improved us - individual errors in defence and bad refereeing decisions have contributed to us failing, and failing badly given the position we're in. however do you really think LJ would have been able to attract a player of Maolida or Marcondes quality? his acquisition of NMW has been sound and he made a difference when he came on yesterday in driving us forward.

to suggest we'd have been better results wise with more attractive football is IMO absolutely crazy. Mionty has much still to prove for sure, but when you look at LJ under us and then at Fleetwood where he also got found out, it does come across as a bit of an anti-monty agenda to say what you've said.

I was happy enough to see the back of LJ and would be similarly happy to see the back of NM. I can under no circumstances imagine going to see a Monty team beat Aberdeen 6-0.

[Keepthefaith]

I was happy enough to see the back of LJ and would be similarly happy to see the back of NM. I can under no circumstances imagine going to see a Monty team beat Aberdeen 6-0.

so you're remembering that this was a god awful Aberdeen team who had stopped playing for the manager? there is no doubt in my mind that monty's team would have ripped the dons side apart. we've played well in spells against teams this season under monty and with better finishing would (and should) have killed games off. trying to suggest that LJ masterminded some sort of amazing performance is weird - are you forgetting that it was billed as el sackio for a reason?!

[snedzuk]

so you're remembering that this was a god awful Aberdeen team who had stopped playing for the manager? there is no doubt in my mind that monty's team would have ripped the dons side apart. we've played well in spells against teams this season under monty and with better finishing would (and should) have killed games off. trying to suggest that LJ masterminded some sort of amazing performance is weird - are you forgetting that it was billed as el sackio for a reason?!

I remember the el sackio. It was end of January and we won to go 5th. Yesterday we lost to go 7th. Like I said, happy to see the back of both of them.

[jeffers]

LJ and Monty are like two cheeks of the same backside of a season.

😂

[Winston Ingram]

Lee Johnson may have led us to some totally guff performances, but he also had the odd good streak with some surprisingly decent results.

In the hypothetical scenario that he had been kept on, how do you think the season would have gone?

I expect probably fewer draws but perhaps more hammerings (especially during the December period where we had lots of players out) but also probably more unexpected wins.

Overall I reckon we would be in a similar position but probably even more fan anger.

It’s an insult to LJ to be compared with this clown.

[Since452]

The football on a whole under LJ was infinitely better than what we've seen under Montgomery. There were many games I left feeling I'd been entertained under LJ. Under LJ it was too inconsistent though. Good runs and crap runs. The "streaky Lee" tag was pretty accurate but we always looked cabible of winning big games or turning a team over. Probably too attack minded.

Ultimately neither were/are achieving what they should with what they have at their disposal.

[superfurryhibby]

Johnson did better with a weaker squad last season, that says something.

[Bishop Hibee]

Lee Johnson may have led us to some totally guff performances, but he also had the odd good streak with some surprisingly decent results.

In the hypothetical scenario that he had been kept on, how do you think the season would have gone?

I expect probably fewer draws but perhaps more hammerings (especially during the December period where we had lots of players out) but also probably more unexpected wins.

Overall I reckon we would be in a similar position but probably even more fan anger.

A spiv. We’d have been comfortably bottom six by now.

[MWHIBBIES]

Johnson did better with a weaker squad last season, that says something.

Did he? Porteous and nisbet walk into this side. So would the big forward we had on loan.

Johnson was rubbish. Monty is rubbish. Should be blaming the dafties that employ them.

[K-Zazu]

Gave us the best version of 4-4-2 I’ve seen this season against Luzern at ER, better than any of Montgomerys

[ScottB]

The Lennon revisionism is bad enough, but I’ll draw the line at bringing out green tinted specs for that clown.

Should never have got the job and should have been sacked during the World Cup break.

[superfurryhibby]

Did he? Porteous and nisbet walk into this side. So would the big forward we had on loan.

Johnson was rubbish. Monty is rubbish. Should be blaming the dafties that employ them.

Porteous left in January of that season, Nisbet missed almost half the season through injury, the big forward on loan played only 15 times and Boyle was injured fairly early in the season. I didn't love Johnson either, but I think he did better than Monty.

Should we be blaming the people that hire our managers? I would say they are not exempt from scrutiny, and rightly so (Kensall in particular has not shown he is not a football visionary, good at making deals and the commercial work though).

[Don Giovanni]

The Lennon revisionism is bad enough, but I’ll draw the line at bringing out green tinted specs for that clown.

Should never have got the job and should have been sacked during the World Cup break.


Completely agree.

:agree:

[MWHIBBIES]

Porteous left in January of that season, Nisbet missed almost half the season through injury, the big forward on loan played only 15 times and Boyle was injured fairly early in the season. I didn't love Johnson either, but I think he did better than Monty.

Should we be blaming the people that hire our managers? I would say they are not exempt from scrutiny, and rightly so (Kensall in particular has not shown he is not a football visionary, good at making deals and the commercial work though).

Who employs Kensell?

Let's be honest here. We've gone way backwards on the pitch since Ron Gordon bought the club. He wasn't very good at running a football club, and neither is his son.

[hibeerealist]

He was sacked by Fleetwood after proving we made the right call.


Just short of the time it took Dundee Utd to rid themselves of J Ross

[wookie70]

At this stage last season, arguably a worse squad had five more points, a better goal difference by 3 goals, was in 6th place and we were celebrating a win against Hearts. I doubt anyone would say last year was a good season League wise but it was a good deal better than this one.

[Is It On....]

Porteous left in January of that season, Nisbet missed almost half the season through injury, the big forward on loan played only 15 times and Boyle was injured fairly early in the season. I didn't love Johnson either, but I think he did better than Monty.

Should we be blaming the people that hire our managers? I would say they are not exempt from scrutiny, and rightly so (Kensall in particular has not shown he is not a football visionary, good at making deals and the commercial work though).

And we can't do anything about the guy in charge of the football department because his family is the majority owner. Got to hope that Mr Foley shakes things up to protect his £6m investment (and the latest £5m investment from the Gordon family in the form of the debt to equity swap).

[ShinyFantastic]

Don’t get the hatred for Lee Johnson. He had some shockers, granted. But at least he managed to actually get some big game wins at Easter Road (Hearts and Celtic), unlike the previous 3 managers before him and our current idiot.