Sick as a Fish...

[LewysGot2]

So Fish wasn't well and this was the reason for him being subbed? He certainly was off colour football wise first half.

If he was ill beforehand then NM should have either played Hanlon, if he wanted Triantis in CM, or started NMW.

Really hope he didn't gamble in such an important game.

[Cod Boy]

Seemingly was in a bad plaice

[JohnM1875]

Exactly!

I said this would be the reason given when subbed off. It's all bollocks. By the look of it more than half the team were 'sick' today then.

[LewysGot2]

Seemingly was in a bad plaice

So I'm herring...

[Northernhibee]

Our only decent centre half is Paul Hanlon.

Both Rocky and Triantis were piss poor for their first goal.

[Iain G]

Exactly!

I said this would be the reason given when subbed off. It's all bollocks. By the look of it more than half the team were 'sick' today then.

Just as well he got hooked then

[Chorley Hibee]

Certainly looked lost at sea.

[Halifaxhibby]

So Fish wasn't well and this was the reason for him being subbed? He certainly was off colour football wise first half.

If he was ill beforehand then NM should have either played Hanlon, if he wanted Triantis in CM, or started NMW.

Really hope he didn't gamble in such an important game.

Played like a flounder….whole team are similar to Fenton’s mob…..how the puck newell is a top earner defies belief!!!….70% off that team needs emptied…..along with management, whoever scouts managers , and whoever’s in charge of youth development…..lot of money ploughed into training facilities and youth development…..can’t remember the last time we produced decent talent that consistently plays in the first team….monty outwitted by levein…..

[Skol]

Salmon Ella

[A Hi-Bee]

Running around like a stunned Mullet.

[Halifaxhibby]

Our only decent centre half is Paul Hanlon.

Both Rocky and Triantis were piss poor for their first goal.

That’s horrifying.

[supermcginn]

Our only decent centre half is Paul Hanlon.

Both Rocky and Triantis were piss poor for their first goal.

Hardly. He's never been good enough so he's certainly not now.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Hardly. He's never been good enough so he's certainly not now.
I always thought you could rely on PH at ER in a game like today to be fairly dominant and have the better of his opposite number not giving much away. Not let the ball bounce.

With our current centre half pairings the number of times the forward wins possession from a hopeful punt on the spin is way more than it has been in recent years. Massive upgrade needed.

[CB Hibs 68]

Hardly. He's never been good enough so he's certainly not now.

Jeezus.Seen a load of crap on this site but to suggest Hanlon has never been good enough is right up there.

[Smartie]

It’s an old argument that we don’t really need to go over again but has our defending got better, stayed the same or worsened since Hanlon was dropped?

I’d say it’s got worse.

[Tyler Durden]

I always thought you could rely on PH at ER in a game like today to be fairly dominant and have the better of his opposite number not giving much away. Not let the ball bounce.

With our current centre half pairings the number of times the forward wins possession from a hopeful punt on the spin is way more than it has been in recent years. Massive upgrade needed.

Hanlon has regularly struggled against physical forwards like Sidibe in the past.

[Murphys Touch]

I’m no huge Hanlon fan but both those goals would not have happened with him in centre of the goal.

Triantis again at fault as CH.

Tried to play offside and then was pulling a caravan trying to recover. I urge anyway (if they can) to watch the view from behind the goal of their 2nd:

Triantis is on 6 yard box, centre of goal marking no one. Constantly looking about unsure. Then when ball comes in, he runs under it, misses the header to leave the attacker to mi**** a volley on our 6 yard line from a corner.

A disaster made in Central Coast Mariners that - from coaching staff to misplaced confidence in a poor player (who has some nice passing attributes)

[The Modfather]

It’s an old argument that we don’t really need to go over again but has our defending got better, stayed the same or worsened since Hanlon was dropped?

I’d say it’s got worse.

I’d say there’s been no difference all season whoever our centre back pairing is.

[Brightside]

Hanlon has regularly struggled against physical forwards like Sidibe in the past.

Like every other defender in the league. It’s a sin that he wasn’t allowed to leave in Jan.

[Northernhibee]

Hardly. He's never been good enough so he's certainly not now.

What a load of guff. Hanlon at his peak was excellent, got his Scotland cap, and still is a very decent Scottish Premiership centre half.

[Heisenberg]

Triantis has cost us several goals now whenever he’s played back there. Rocky and Fish aren’t any better. God help us if his answer for next season is Fish on a permanent deal.

[flash]

Not in any way sticking up for our defenders but it can't help playing in front of a keeper who never leaves his line and hardly ever saves anything.

[DaveF]

If Fish was ill, then it's yet another criminal decision from NM to play him when he has Hanlon in reserve.

Mind you, an even worse decision was putting Triantis at CB were he is a total liability.

[DinkyTwo]

Triantis has cost us several goals now whenever he’s played back there. Rocky and Fish aren’t any better. God help us if his answer for next season is Fish on a permanent deal.Yeah I'd get rid of fish. Had a great loan spell but he's been awful for most of this season.

He's needing dropped, but we don't have anyone else to step in.

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[MWHIBBIES]

Hardly. He's never been good enough so he's certainly not now.

He was good enough when was lifting the cup. Great player for Hibs.

[Smartie]

He was good enough when was lifting the cup. Great player for Hibs.

Ridiculously under-appreciated over his entire career with us.

[marinello59]

It’s an old argument that we don’t really need to go over again but has our defending got better, stayed the same or worsened since Hanlon was dropped?

I’d say it’s got worse.

I’d agree.

[Northernhibee]

Yeah I'd get rid of fish. Had a great loan spell but he's been awful for most of this season.

He's needing dropped, but we don't have anyone else to step in.

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Fish just hasn’t developed like we hoped he would.

[MWHIBBIES]

Ridiculously under-appreciated over his entire career with us.

People don't remember how badly that SC winning side slumped when he was injured, along with Fyvie, another very underrated player.

Hanlon was brilliant at his best.

[Greensunshine]

Our defenders are criminally inconsistent.

None of them have been good enough and I don’t think any of them can honestly have any argument if they are dropped or ultimately replaced in the summer.

[Northernhibee]

Our defenders are criminally inconsistent.

None of them have been good enough and I don’t think any of them can honestly have any argument if they are dropped or ultimately replaced in the summer.

Rocky could be excellent but just always has a mistake in him. It’s so frustrating.

[Hiber-nation]

Fish just hasn’t developed like we hoped he would.

I feel sorry for any CB having to play alongside Rocky.

[JohnM1875]

People don't remember how badly that SC winning side slumped when he was injured, along with Fyvie, another very underrated player.

Hanlon was brilliant at his best.

I'll honestly never understand the grief Hanlon gets from some of our fans. A decent number of them as well!

He's been brilliant for us and should still be starting now.

[Greensunshine]

Rocky could be excellent but just always has a mistake in him. It’s so frustrating.

Both Rocky and Fish are both learning their trade, we’ve seen the good side and also the bad and I’m sure both will provably become very good defenders but at this moment they are showing that inconsistency you get with young players.

We need to bring in an older experienced defender who’s going to be a leader on the pitch, someone who can help both those young guys to build confidence and consistency that’ll help the team keep that back door firmly closed.

[The Modfather]

Both Rocky and Fish are both learning their trade, we’ve seen the good side and also the bad and I’m sure both will provably become very good defenders but at this moment they are showing that inconsistency you get with young players.

We need to bring in an older experienced defender who’s going to be a leader on the pitch, someone who can help both those young guys to build confidence and consistency that’ll help the team keep that back door firmly closed.

When he was starting we were equally as poor defensively this season. Talk about Hanlon should be starting, or him being our best defender, is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, IMO, and more because of who he is than actual contribution this season.

A good player on his day, a good servant, I also don’t see a case for keeping him next season when it’s a natural parting of the ways unless we want to keep leaking woefully cheap goals but talking up our defenders individually as is the case this season for all 3 centrebacks.

Edit, wrong post quoted.

[Hibiza]

Unfortunately he's not been a " Special Fish " .

[Allant1981]

I feel sorry for any CB having to play alongside Rocky.

Why? Rocky has done nothing wrong in a long time

[Hiber-nation]

Why? Rocky has done nothing wrong in a long time

Why do we concede so many goals with him in the team? He can't make the passes that the likes of Fish and Hanlon can either.

[Bobby's Cinema]

I'll honestly never understand the grief Hanlon gets from some of our fans. A decent number of them as well!

He's been brilliant for us and should still be starting now.
And me. Just look at the difference in the defence since our long term servants across the backline have went out of the side one by one.

No doubting the timing was correct but just shows they aren't so easily replaced and some want to think.

[Allant1981]

Why do we concede so many goals with him in the team? He can't make the passes that the likes of Fish and Hanlon can either.

So every goal is rockys fault!! You could put that point over for every single defender in the team. Why do we lose so many goals with fosh and Marshall? His passing is also no worse than fish, hanlons long cross field ball is not that great either, we clearly need good experienced CHs but rocky is not a huge issue and has quite rightly been getting plaudits the last few months

[Alfred E Newman]

I’d say there’s been no difference all season whoever our centre back pairing is.

We’re definitely between Rocky and a hard plaice.

[Northernhibee]

Why? Rocky has done nothing wrong in a long time

I’d need to see it again, but yesterday for their first goal my impression at the time was he either needed to get the ball or take his man out. Triantis was covering so it would only have been a booking but he did neither. It’s frustrating as he did lots well, but that’s been the story with him for so long - the game against Hearts for example.

Tbf it also looked in real time like Triantis gave up on it way too early. Being chased by a lion territory.

[Hiber-nation]

So every goal is rockys fault!! You could put that point over for every single defender in the team. Why do we lose so many goals with fosh and Marshall? His passing is also no worse than fish, hanlons long cross field ball is not that great either, we clearly need good experienced CHs but rocky is not a huge issue and has quite rightly been getting plaudits the last few months

I didn't say that. He's got attributes but for me the flaws outweigh them. Just my opinion, not arguing about it.

[JimBHibees]

I’d need to see it again, but yesterday for their first goal my impression at the time was he either needed to get the ball or take his man out. Triantis was covering so it would only have been a booking but he did neither. It’s frustrating as he did lots well, but that’s been the story with him for so long - the game against Hearts for example.

Tbf it also looked in real time like Triantis gave up on it way too early. Being chased by a lion territory.

Think the issue was Triantis wasn’t covering and could have played the scorer offside

[sauzee1989]

Why? Rocky has done nothing wrong in a long time

Not watching the game closely enough then. Always standing in wrong positions and caught out for the first goal.

[IFONLY]

Jeezus.Seen a load of crap on this site but to suggest Hanlon has never been good enough is right up there.

Been the scapegoat for a long time unfortunately, would much rather depend on him than what we have playing just now. I really hope that he plays against Motherwell, I`m sure he will be able to take care of Bair.

[Allant1981]

Not watching the game closely enough then. Always standing in wrong positions and caught out for the first goal.

I watch the game closely don't worry, and for a long time rocky has done nothing wrong

[greenlex]

Our only decent centre half is Paul Hanlon.

Both Rocky and Triantis were piss poor for their first goal.
Joe Newell wasn’t exactly blameless at the first. Gave the ball away so so cheaply.

[O'Rourke3]

Not watching the game closely enough then. Always standing in wrong positions and caught out for the first goal.Rocky stepped up leaving their player offside. Triantis dozing kept him on making Rocky look like it was his fault.

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[Brightside]

Rocky stepped up leaving their player offside. Triantis dozing kept him on making Rocky look like it was his fault.

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He'd do well getting him off side when he was in his own half. It was a brain fart from Rocky. He is partial to them. He shouldn't allow the player to be on the inside of him at that point. He's the last man, he has to be given himself space, and the angle into the danger area. Triantis angle of then running back is very poor.

[lyonhibs]

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He'd do well getting him off side when he was in his own half. It was a brain fart from Rocky. He is partial to them. He shouldn't allow the player to be on the inside of him at that point. He's the last man, he has to be given himself space, and the angle into the danger area. Triantis angle of then running back is very poor.

Yep, some of the mental gymnastics that I've seen over the past few days to absolve Rocky have been impressive. It's his fault and then Triantis isn't great on the cover either.