First half pen claim

[LewysGot2]

Anyone not at the game who's seen it on technology say if it was a decent shout? Looked it at the time in the ground...

[Paulie Walnuts]

Anyone not at the game who's seen it on technology say if it was a decent shout? Looked it at the time in the ground...

Keeper gets something on it but plenty on Marcondes. I’d have been disappointed if it went against us but you’ve seen them given.

[Chorley Hibee]

https://twitter.com/WeeDunc/status/1776616627196301602?s=19

[LewysGot2]

https://twitter.com/WeeDunc/status/1776616627196301602?s=19

Penalty Rangers 🤪

[Greensunshine]

According to Mikey Stewart & Tom English and even Biscuits it was a stone wall penalty!

We really have had zero luck when it comes to VAR

[jeffers]

How is that not a penalty ? Just seen Arsenal get a penalty when the defender clearly touches the ball first so I don’t see how the argument that the St Johnstone keeper got a touch on the ball (if he even did) holds up to any scrutiny.

[Chorley Hibee]

Think about how little contact has been required for Celtic, Hearts and Rangers to be awarded penalties against us, and then ask yourself why this isn't a penalty.

I guarantee you all three of the above are given that penalty today.

[LewysGot2]

According to Mikey Stewart & Tom English and even Biscuits it was a stone wall penalty!

We really have had zero luck when it comes to VAR

We've definitely had nothing since we called them out a few months ago.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

I kind of hear these conversations going as "nah, **** it"

[HarpOnHibee]

That's a penalty and a red card for the keeper and the sub keeper on the bench.


If we were Rangers.

[Northernhibee]

Ten times more of a penalty than the one Rangers got last time around.

[franck sauzee]

Anyone found a clip of Ryan McGowan wiping out one of our players from behind? Got a yellow but I'm adamant it should have been a red card

[Just_Jimmy]

Anyone that thinks we get that after calling out the sevco fans and slating previous calls is having a laugh.

It's bent

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[Real Emerald]

I thought it was similar to Marshall v Aberdeen and not a penalty but I was at the game. Maybe TV will show different.

[Malthibby]

Didn't really see this at the time but that would be given to the Uglies, always.
VAR has been doing us no favours this season & that continues but it shouldn't mask our own
major failings.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

I thought it was similar to Marshall v Aberdeen and not a penalty but I was at the game. Maybe TV will show different.

Marshall got to that ball 1st, Marcondes was 1st or at least at the same time as the keeper which should have been a pen IMO.

Edit
Just watched it again and Marcondes is definitely 1st to the ball.

[wookie70]

Thought keeper got it first at game but not the case. So many softer pens against us for less

[babahibs]

That's 100% a pen, more evidence of corruption, it's happening in every single game.

[Real Emerald]

Marshall got to that ball 1st, Marcondes was 1st or at least at the same time as the keeper which should have been a pen IMO.

Edit
Just watched it again and Marcondes is definitely 1st to the ball.

As I said at the game it looked the same as the Aberdeen claim but if it shows otherwise like you say it’ll be another terrible game changing decision against us. 👍 😡

[Callum_62]

It's a clear penalty and the poster referencing the arsenal penalty is spot on

It's not even debatable on viewing it a few times to be honest

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[Centre Hawf]

Said it in the matchday thread but it isn't a penalty. Marcondes headers it first and the keeper also then touches it as he comes in.

[big gogs]

That's 100% a pen, more evidence of corruption, it's happening in every single game.
I thought there was more than one penalty shout,two players had head knocks in the saints half,nothing given ,against Celtic it was a penalty.walsh avoided a tackle from the saints player,Walsh was sent off against rangers for intent.corruption it’s never been more obvious.

[Swedish hibee]

Absolutely a penalty. Another terrible decision.

[LaMotta]

How is that not a penalty ? Just seen Arsenal get a penalty when the defender clearly touches the ball first so I don’t see how the argument that the St Johnstone keeper got a touch on the ball (if he even did) holds up to any scrutiny.

exactly - and in that clip it looks like he is nowhere near the ball, despite Levein claiming he was. Thought it was a stonewaller at the time and that clip confirms it.

As useless as Monty has been, he really has also been shafted to an unbelievable extent by the refs.

[Dr What If?]

See lots of these go without being penalised....seems that it is fine for a keeper to go through a player to get the ball, as long as he makes some contact. Two others that stick out this season was Marshall v Aberdeen, Marshall does get the ball first so it is different, but his follow through definately endangers his opponent. The other is Robertson v Spain, keeper had to go through Robertson to get the ball, crippling Robertson in the process.

For me all three were penalties given the current laws, but its a goalie going for the ball so somehow in that circumstance the rules don't apply.

[st3vie]

Penalty all day, every day

[bod]

Thought at the time the keeper got to the ball1st but that shows it’s a clear pen & possibility a red card.
Never heard NM interview after the match but he should be calling that decision out

[JohnM1875]

It looked bad at the game but that is much worse than I thought it would be. That's a penalty 99 times out of 100. Crazy

[Skol]

That's 100% a pen, more evidence of corruption, it's happening in every single game.

What’s the evidence to support corruption?

At the game I thought it would have been soft if given and wouldn’t be happy if given against us. Not seen it back yet.

If when seeing the footage it’s a bad decision, then it’s a bad decision unless you have evidence to support corruption.

[MWHIBBIES]

Clear penalty

[JohnM1875]

What’s the evidence to support corruption?

At the game I thought it would have been soft if given and wouldn’t be happy if given against us. Not seen it back yet.

If when seeing the footage it’s a bad decision, then it’s a bad decision unless you have evidence to support corruption.

You do know they have the ability to review these incidents though right? It's called VAR. It isn't just a single viewing at the time from the ref then move on.

[Skol]

You do know they have the ability to review these incidents though right? It's called VAR. It isn't just a single viewing at the time from the ref then move on.

Yep, so evidence of bad decisions but not corruption.

[Carheenlea]

If they ever get round to conducting an independent inquiry into refereeing corruption in Scotland, or the more charitable sounding “two tier refereeing” situation, then we have a a great exhibit to show from todays game.

You look at the penalty Celtic got given back in feb and compare that with today and you are asking why is one a penalty and the other not? You could even throw in the incident at Pittodrie when Marshall clashed with the striker but the claim was waved away.

100% Rangers and Celtic get that penalty claim today, and also that one at Aberdeen.

It’s hard enough keeping up with the rules, let alone throw in two different set of rules which are subject to participants.

[HarpOnHibee]

Yep, so evidence of bad decisions but not corruption.

Evidence of bad decisions when they can use that evidence to overturn a bad decision then proceeding not to do so is corruption.

[JohnM1875]

Yep, so evidence of bad decisions but not corruption.

Then what is it then? Just consistently bad decisions from what, four people involved per incident consistently?

I genuinely never used to believe it either. But I think there's something in it now VAR shown it for what it is.

[Chorley Hibee]

Yep, so evidence of bad decisions but not corruption.

Would you agree that there is a 'two tiered' refereeing procedure to similar incidents?

[Skol]

Evidence of bad decisions when they can use that evidence to overturn a bad decision then proceeding not to do so is corruption.

No it’s not

[Skol]

Would you agree that there is a 'two tiered' refereeing procedure to similar incidents?

Yes, agree with that

[HarpOnHibee]

No it’s not

How is it not? The system was put in place to allow poor decisions to be reviewed and overturned. If poor decisions are selectively not being overturned based on the team that it would benefit, then how can you call it anything other than corruption?

[B.H.F.C]

Said it on another thread, David Munro involved again (was VAR today). He doesn’t like us. The most blatant handball you’ll see, 10 yards from him at Pittodrie, not given. The invention of 7 minute and the throw in decision in the 8th minute of those 7 up at Ross County. Then that today, when he’s had the chance to look at it. Absolutely ridiculous.

[JohnM1875]

How is it not? The system was put in place to allow poor decisions to be reviewed and overturned. If poor decisions are selectively not being overturned based on the team that it would benefit, then how can you call it anything other than corruption?

Think maybe his argument would be why would they go out their way to be corrupt against Hibs when we're playing St Johnstone. Though I'm maybe just guessing.

Just going by the poster agreeing with it being a two-tiered system.

[Chorley Hibee]

Yes, agree with that

Does that not vere towards corruption then?

You agree that referees apply the rules differently dependent upon who is involved?

I think they do, and that, for me, isn't a mistake, it's deliberate.

[DaveF]

Since the County throw in issue, we have had 2 refs (Livi and Today) who have been boringly pedantic about where throw on are taken from.

Piss take or just coincidence.

[HarpOnHibee]

Think maybe his argument would be why would they go out their way to be corrupt against Hibs when we're playing St Johnstone. Though I'm maybe just guessing.

Just going by the poster agreeing with it being a two-tiered system.

Because doing so greatly impacts our chances of finishing in the top 6 (although the quality of our performances clearly don't help us either). Not being in the top 6 and out of the cups guarantees no European football. Could be that they have a chip on their shoulder regarding our club being vocal about previous highly questionable indiscretions.

[JohnM1875]

Since the County throw in issue, we have had 2 refs (Livi and Today) who have been boringly pedantic about where throw on are taken from.

Piss take or just coincidence.

No chance it's a coincidence. Just like it isn't a coincidence the poor decisions that have gone against us since Paul McGinn (rightly) called Beatons performance inept.

[Skol]

Does that not vere towards corruption then?

You agree that referees apply the rules differently dependent upon who is involved?

I think they do, and that, for me, isn't a mistake, it's deliberate.

Not necessarily. There is definite evidence of bad decision making, but not corruption. Even being deliberate is not necessarily corruption. There is no evidence it’s deliberate either by the way b

[Skol]

Anyway, going to watch the highlights now and see if my mind is changed from game view of no,pen.

[LithgaeHibby]

Cheating, plain and simple. Week in, week out.

[Tyler Durden]

It’s just another area where Montgomery hasn’t helped himself.

After the Aberdeen or Hearts games he should have been outspoken and slated the ref personally, drawing out specific incidents. Sure he would get a ban but it would put pressure on the next ref that takes charge of us. Keep calling it out every game, set the media narrative.

All he’s done is meekly accept it and we’re basically bullied on a weekly basis whilst Montgomery mumbles “frustrating”.

[Chorley Hibee]

It’s just another area where Montgomery hasn’t helped himself.

After the Aberdeen or Hearts games he should have been outspoken and slated the ref personally, drawing out specific incidents. Sure he would get a ban but it would put pressure on the next ref that takes charge of us. Keep calling it out every game, set the media narrative.

All he’s done is meekly accept it and we’re basically bullied on a weekly basis whilst Montgomery mumbles “frustrating”.

Correct.

The club as a whole are equally to blame.

They rightly made comment about the Aberdeen incident, but have reverted to type every joke decision since.

[hibsbollah]

It happens almost every week. Im sick of talking about it.

[Centre Hawf]

I've just watched it again on Sportscene and while I'm still not convinced its a stonewaller, what I am warming to on reflection is that we don't get decisions that are debatable at the moment. And as others have said that would likely be given at Ibrox last week or if Marsh did it to a Celtic player.

[JohnM1875]

I've just watched it again on Sportscene and while I'm still not convinced its a stonewaller, what I am warming to on reflection is that we don't get decisions that are debatable at the moment. And as others have said that would likely be given at Ibrox last week or if Marsh did it to a Celtic player.

Marcondes wins the header then the keeper steamrollers him. It doesn't get more stonewaller than that?

Does their keeper get the ball? No.
Does their keeper make contact with Marcondes? Yes

Has to be a pen.

[B.H.F.C]

It’s just another area where Montgomery hasn’t helped himself.

After the Aberdeen or Hearts games he should have been outspoken and slated the ref personally, drawing out specific incidents. Sure he would get a ban but it would put pressure on the next ref that takes charge of us. Keep calling it out every game, set the media narrative.

All he’s done is meekly accept it and we’re basically bullied on a weekly basis whilst Montgomery mumbles “frustrating”.

Agree. Far too diplomatic with some of his comments.

[Skol]

I've just watched it again on Sportscene and while I'm still not convinced its a stonewaller, what I am warming to on reflection is that we don't get decisions that are debatable at the moment. And as others have said that would likely be given at Ibrox last week or if Marsh did it to a Celtic player.

Thats where I stand on it. The tv pictures not great and it is a call that could have gone either way. At present we don’t get these decisions and they also seem to go against us. If that had been awarded against us I wouldn’t have been happy.

I stil, stand by there being no corruption and it’s just poor and inconsistent decision making. A good example, is Motherwell at pittodrie a few weeks back.

[Centre Hawf]

Marcondes wins the header then the keeper steamrollers him. It doesn't get more stonewaller than that?

Does their keeper get the ball? No.
Does their keeper make contact with Marcondes? Yes

Has to be a pen.

I still think the keeper gets a touch on it after Marcondes headers it, if you look at the slowmos the ball changes direction again.

[JohnM1875]

I still think the keeper gets a touch on it after Marcondes headers it, if you look at the slowmos the ball changes direction again.

If it's after Marcondes touches the ball its still a penalty.

[DaveF]

I still think the keeper gets a touch on it after Marcondes headers it, if you look at the slowmos the ball changes direction again.

I don't get your logic at all? You see Marcondes win the ball and is then wiped out. Why does it matter if the keeper touches it after Marcondes. Does that negate the foul?

That like saying a defender wins the ball but breaks a guy's leg to get there.

[Centre Hawf]

I don't get your logic at all? You see Marcondes win the ball and is then wiped out. Why does it matter if the keeper touches it after Marcondes. Does that negate the foul?

That like saying a defender wins the ball but breaks a guy's leg to get there.


If it's after Marcondes touches the ball its still a penalty.

Marcondes gets the ball first but he headers it onto the keepers hand, who then takes Marcondes after he's touched it. The key being he touches the ball first before Marcondes. If he came rushing out to block a shot and took the man in the process after doing so that wouldn't be a penalty either.

[DaveF]

Marcondes gets the ball first but he headers it onto the keepers hand, who then takes Marcondes after he's touched it. The key being he touches the ball first before Marcondes. If he came rushing out to block a shot and took the man in the process after doing so that wouldn't be a penalty either.

Ah ok.

I saw Triantis head the ball clear last week at Ibrox and bang into Souttar but that was a penalty. Oh well

[Centre Hawf]

Ah ok.

I saw Triantis head the ball clear last week at Ibrox and bang into Souttar but that was a penalty. Oh well

I didn't think that was a penalty either, like most of us said at the time.

[DaveF]

I didn't think that was a penalty either, like most of us said at the time.

You might not, but the officials at Ibrox did, yet took the opposite view today. And some still argue it's all just inconsistency 🙄

[Centre Hawf]

You might not, but the officials at Ibrox did, yet took the opposite view today. And some still argue it's all just inconsistency 🙄

I'm not really saying anything on the inconsistency/bias/corruption stuff as it's a different discussion. My opinion is just that it wasn't a penalty as I think the keeper gets ball before man.

[Northernhibee]

The slomo on Sportscene couldn’t make it clearer. Corrupt again,

[Halifaxhibby]

Anyone not at the game who's seen it on technology say if it was a decent shout? Looked it at the time in the ground...

I think we’re clutching at straws with var….marshall did worse against miovski, we got away with that, got a second chance at ipox, bottom line is we are not good enough…

[DaveF]

I think we’re clutching at straws with var….marshall did worse against miovski, we got away with that, got a second chance at ipox, bottom line is we are not good enough…

WTF? Marshall clearly won the ball in that game.

[JimBHibees]

Said it on another thread, David Munro involved again (was VAR today). He doesn’t like us. The most blatant handball you’ll see, 10 yards from him at Pittodrie, not given. The invention of 7 minute and the throw in decision in the 8th minute of those 7 up at Ross County. Then that today, when he’s had the chance to look at it. Absolutely ridiculous.

Yes very coincidental

[Geo_1875]

Not necessarily. There is definite evidence of bad decision making, but not corruption. Even being deliberate is not necessarily corruption. There is no evidence it’s deliberate either by the way b

So what in your opinion would need to be involved to make it corruption? We've seen countless decisions go against Hibs and not just since the introduction of Video Assistance for Rangers. Having watched Hibs for around 60 years the last 20 or so have seen referees clear agenda against us. Players booked for their first foul while opponents regularly get a free pass. Players sent off for kicking the ball at an opponent during open play. Players hounded out of the country for tackling a Rangers player at Ibrox. It's either corruption or they've still got a huge chip on their shoulders about Scott Brown going to Celtic.

[hibsbollah]

Theres a whiff of yamfuddery about.

[Geo_1875]

Marcondes gets the ball first but he headers it onto the keepers hand, who then takes Marcondes after he's touched it. The key being he touches the ball first before Marcondes. If he came rushing out to block a shot and took the man in the process after doing so that wouldn't be a penalty either.

Does the rules about excessive force, being out of control or endangering an opponent nit apply to goalkeepers?

[A Hi-Bee]

Said it on another thread, David Munro involved again (was VAR today). He doesn’t like us. The most blatant handball you’ll see, 10 yards from him at Pittodrie, not given. The invention of 7 minute and the throw in decision in the 8th minute of those 7 up at Ross County. Then that today, when he’s had the chance to look at it. Absolutely ridiculous.

Him, along with a few others of his club do not like us, and they are in a position to hurt us, game after game.
In saying that if we played good enough then it would make things difficult for them.

[Centre Hawf]

Does the rules about excessive force, being out of control or endangering an opponent nit apply to goalkeepers?

They usually are a bit of a protected species in this sport to be fair.

[Cammy]

I think we’re clutching at straws with var….marshall did worse against miovski, we got away with that, got a second chance at ipox, bottom line is we are not good enough…

:wtf::troll:

[Geo_1875]

They usually are a bit of a protected species in this sport to be fair.

He was certainly protected today.

[LaMotta]

Thought at the time the keeper got to the ball1st but that shows it’s a clear pen & possibility a red card.
Never heard NM interview after the match but he should be calling that decision out

He should be calling it out. But he's failed to call out shocking decisions properly since he arrived. Another reason why he isnt fit to be Hibs manager.

[LaMotta]

I'm not really saying anything on the inconsistency/bias/corruption stuff as it's a different discussion. My opinion is just that it wasn't a penalty as I think the keeper gets ball before man.

The keeper doesn't get the ball today though - he's nowhere near it.

[babahibs]

Theres a whiff of yamfuddery about.

Sure is

[Centre Hawf]

The keeper doesn't get the ball today though - he's nowhere near it.

I’m willing to admit there’s every chance I’m wrong here. But if you take it frame by frame i think Marcondes headers it onto his hand as he comes in.

[JimBHibees]

I’m willing to admit there’s every chance I’m wrong here. But if you take it frame by frame i think Marcondes headers it onto his hand as he comes in.

That is what i thought from the angle the ball then goes

[Glory Lurker]

Absolute shocker. It's all about whether a foul was committed. Head punched, side kneed. Penalty and red card.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’m willing to admit there’s every chance I’m wrong here. But if you take it frame by frame i think Marcondes headers it onto his hand as he comes in.

I thought the same. The keeper gets a touch on the ball. Whether it’s enough is another argument. But I don’t think it’s the shocker folk are making it out to be.

[Glory Lurker]

And let's add on the pulls on Maolida when he went down in the second half. Not even looked at.

[Glory Lurker]

Porto got the ball at Ibrox.

[JohnM1875]

I thought the same. The keeper gets a touch on the ball. Whether it’s enough is another argument. But I don’t think it’s the shocker folk are making it out to be.

It is an absolute shocker. Marcondes gets to the ball first and wins it. Any other touch that happens after that point is kind of irrelevant.

Its reckless from the keeper and is a pen all day long.

[Baader]

Clear penalty. Can't understand what anyone on here who thinks it isn't is actually seeing? So blatant.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It is an absolute shocker. Marcondes gets to the ball first and wins it. Any other touch that happens after that point is kind of irrelevant.

Its reckless from the keeper and is a pen all day long.

Not necessarily. Put the ball on the ground for example. If a forward gets a touch on the ball whilst trying to round the keeper and then the keeper gets a touch the catches the forward, I’m not sure that makes it a penalty. Just because it’s in the air I don’t think that changes.

[Paulie Walnuts]

And let's add on the pulls on Maolida when he went down in the second half. Not even looked at.

That was never a pen.

[Glory Lurker]

That was never a pen.

It was in the league cup final, and a good few other games this season. Whether it should be a pen is a different argument, but there's a pile of precedent in the Scottish VAR era to say it is.

[JohnM1875]

Not necessarily. Put the ball on the ground for example. If a forward gets a touch on the ball whilst trying to round the keeper and then the keeper gets a touch the catches the forward, I’m not sure that makes it a penalty. Just because it’s in the air I don’t think that changes.

Eh? Of course it being in the air changes things. Why wouldn't it?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Eh? Of course it being in the air changes things. Why wouldn't it?

It doesn’t change things at all in terms of if Marcondes gets something on it, then the goalkeeper gets something on it, then clatters Marcondes, it’s not a foul imo, exact same as it would be if it was on the ground.

I’d have been disappointed had that went against us.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It was in the league cup final, and a good few other games this season. Whether it should be a pen is a different argument, but there's a pile of precedent in the Scottish VAR era to say it is.

I’ve not seen it back, but at the time the replay looked like Maolida was the one leaning into him. The St J player didn’t look like he was really doing anything.

I can’t even remember who was playing in the LC final other than the sheep so I can’t comment on that one :greengrin

[Glory Lurker]

I’ve not seen it back, but at the time the replay looked like Maolida was the one leaning into him. The St J player didn’t look like he was really doing anything.

I can’t even remember who was playing in the LC final other than the sheep so I can’t comment on that one :greengrin

I'll give you a clue - one team was wearing blue, and it was that team that got a penalty for far less pulling 😆

Edit - and the Saints lad was pulling. Could see it from FFL.

[JohnM1875]

It doesn’t change things at all in terms of if Marcondes gets something on it, then the goalkeeper gets something on it, then clatters Marcondes, it’s not a foul imo, exact same as it would be if it was on the ground.

I’d have been disappointed had that went against us.

I honestly think that's a mental take. Football is played on the ground (majority of the time unless you're Hearts).

Their keeper is flying through the air and clatters Marcondes. I can't see how that's not a penalty. Second to the ball without winning it.

[B.H.F.C]

It doesn’t change things at all in terms of if Marcondes gets something on it, then the goalkeeper gets something on it, then clatters Marcondes, it’s not a foul imo, exact same as it would be if it was on the ground.

I’d have been disappointed had that went against us.

There’s examples pretty much every week these days where getting a touch on the ball doesn’t prevent it from being a foul. Marcondes got punched in the puss and a knee in the ribs. It’s a penalty.

[Baader]

Not necessarily. Put the ball on the ground for example. If a forward gets a touch on the ball whilst trying to round the keeper and then the keeper gets a touch the catches the forward, I’m not sure that makes it a penalty. Just because it’s in the air I don’t think that changes.

Ball wasn't on the ground though. Completely hypothetical and irrelevant take which you aren't even of sure of yourself. It's a penalty.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'll give you a clue - one team was wearing blue, and it was that team that got a penalty for far less pulling 😆

Edit - and the Saints lad was pulling. Could see it from FFL.

Willing to stand corrected, I didn’t think it looked a foul at all at the time and I was watching on Hibs TV so seen replays. Will have a look at the highlights when they’re up and see if they’re on there.

I’ve just had a look at the league cup final, there was no penalty :confused:

[WeeRussell]

It was in the league cup final, and a good few other games this season. Whether it should be a pen is a different argument, but there's a pile of precedent in the Scottish VAR era to say it is.

I wondered at the time if Maolida hadn’t managed to get anything on the ball as he was brought down, if we’d have got a penalty. Haven’t seen a replay yet so not exactly how the challenge went from my seat at half way line.

I thought the Marcondes/keeper one was our weakest shout of the lot but have changed my mind since seeing the replay.

Basically there’s a good chance I’ll have changed my opinion on both incidents once I see highlights. Perhaps proof that we don’t always see what we think from the stands… or that my eyes are really starting to go.

[Paulie Walnuts]

In the interest of balance, and I’m sure we’ll all be able to disagree on this one as well, I thought Obita was very lucky not to be sent off :greengrin

[Glory Lurker]

Willing to stand corrected, I didn’t think it looked a foul at all at the time and I was watching on Hibs TV so seen replays. Will have a look at the highlights when they’re up and see if they’re on there.

I’ve just had a look at the league cup final, there was no penalty :confused:

Ha!!! You are quite right. Dinnae listen to me, I'm a doughnut. It was a pull on an Aberdeen player in the box that was highlighted and the question was why no VAR?

Wis a penalty today too, but 😋

[Paulie Walnuts]

Ha!!! You are quite right. Dinnae listen to me, I'm a doughnut. It was a pull on an Aberdeen player in the box that was highlighted and the question was why no VAR?

Wis a penalty today too, but 😋

:greengrin

[matty_f]

Since the County throw in issue, we have had 2 refs (Livi and Today) who have been boringly pedantic about where throw on are taken from.

Piss take or just coincidence.

Mind Marshall got booked at the first sign of time wasting in that match as well. Don't think St Johnstone even got spoken to about it today.

[B.H.F.C]

Mind Marshall got booked at the first sign of time wasting in that match as well. Don't think St Johnstone even got spoken to about it today.

Think back to that Ross County game where they found 7 minutes when nothing had happened in the game. Then played longer. Yet today, 3 goals, subs, VAR checks and St Johnstone taking an age to do anything. 5 minutes added

Our pathetic defending in both games is what has cost us most but the refereeing has not helped us one little bit.

[matty_f]

Think back to that Ross County game where they found 7 minutes when nothing had happened in the game. Then played longer. Yet today, 3 goals, subs, VAR checks and St Johnstone taking an age to do anything. 5 minutes added

Our pathetic defending in both games is what has cost us most but the refereeing has not helped us one little bit.

I'm 100% not blaming the referee today, it would be nice to be refereed the same as other teams though.

[cammy1969]

Stone wall every day of week. Even sports sound panel said hibs have been hard done by all season and a lot think sports sound are against us. I’m sorry but that’s not even up for debate in my book. I’d expect a pen against us every time if that was other end


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[Bishop Hibee]

Just saw the ‘challenge’ on Emiliano. Stonewall penalty. It looked it at the time. It can’t keep being incompetence from officials. If this had been Marshall they would have given a penalty to the opposition. Corrupt!

[worcesterhibby]

Thats where I stand on it. The tv pictures not great and it is a call that could have gone either way. At present we don’t get these decisions and they also seem to go against us. If that had been awarded against us I wouldn’t have been happy.

I stil, stand by there being no corruption and it’s just poor and inconsistent decision making. A good example, is Motherwell at pittodrie a few weeks back.

It's corruption

[Rumble de Thump]

You won't see a clearer foul in the box. As the replays show, Marcondes wins the ball, keeper doesn't get a tocuh on it but punches Marcondes in the face while sticking the boot into his midriff. The VAR had the ability to watch that as many times as he wanted and decided not to apply the rules.

The question has never been is Scottish football corrupt? It's why is it corrupt and to what extent? It's something an investigation in the Rangers/Sevco situtation, which the football authorities said would be pointless, would have shed some light on.

[Alfred E Newman]

In the interest of balance, and I’m sure we’ll all be able to disagree on this one as well, I thought Obita was very lucky not to be sent off :greengrin
The Obita incident was a carbon copy of the second yellow against Rangers. Neither is a booking but given the way our games are refereed, when it happened I was expecting the worst.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Stonewall penalty all day long

[jonny]

I'll give you a clue - one team was wearing blue, and it was that team that got a penalty for far less pulling 😆

Edit - and the Saints lad was pulling. Could see it from FFL.

I was behind the goals - absolute stone Waller for me. Even more than the first one. Defender hauled Myziane down

[Paulie Walnuts]

The Obita incident was a carbon copy of the second yellow against Rangers. Neither is a booking but given the way our games are refereed, when it happened I was expecting the worst.

Not sure about that. You can’t go throwing your arms across someone’s face. I think it was a booking and he was lucky to get away with it.

[Jones28]

I’ve always been of the opinion that it’s incompetence, not bias or corruption that referees have seemingly had an agenda against us. Yesterday’s incident has convinced me there is at least an agenda against us.

I don’t believe it’s corruption, I do believe that there’s an anti-Hibs bias against us and there has been for some time.

The referee not giving the penalty and then the VAR not even suggesting it be examined is 2 referees conspiring to put us at a disadvantage imo.

[Skol]

It's corruption

I googled corruption and this is what I found.

Corruption is a form of dishonesty or a criminal offense which is undertaken by a person or an organization which is entrusted in a position of authority, in order to acquire illicit benefits or abuse power for one's personal gain.

Thee needs to be some pretty strong evidence to meet that description and for me that evidence does not exist.

[ekhibee]

The 3 on Sportscene all thought it was a stonewall penalty.

[Skol]

The 3 on Sportscene all thought it was a stonewall penalty.

Does that make it corruption, or is it just a bad decision?

[Northernhibee]

When you look at the Triantis/Souttar coming together, if that was a penalty then the poleaxing of Marcondes is a penalty too.

[HarpOnHibee]

Not sure why some folk are clutching at straws in an effort to suggest that it wasn't a penalty. Relative to the penalties gifted out to The Rangers this season, this incident was at least 10x the penalty shout compared to anything they've been given.

[LaMotta]

There’s examples pretty much every week these days where getting a touch on the ball doesn’t prevent it from being a foul. Marcondes got punched in the puss and a knee in the ribs. It’s a penalty.

:agree: Notwithstanding that, I've watched it numerous times now and I'm still really struggling to see how anyone thinks the keeper got a touch on the ball.

[Skol]

:agree: Notwithstanding that, I've watched it numerous times now and I'm still really struggling to see how anyone thinks the keeper got a touch on the ball.

I didn’t think The tv pictures capture it all that clearly. I.e. who got a touch and in what order. It’s the kind of decision where it could go either way. Recent history though suggests these tend to go against us.

[greenlex]

I googled corruption and this is what I found.

Corruption is a form of dishonesty or a criminal offense which is undertaken by a person or an organization which is entrusted in a position of authority, in order to acquire illicit benefits or abuse power for one's personal gain.

Thee needs to be some pretty strong evidence to meet that description and for me that evidence does not exist.
You require it in writing? In triplicate? :greengrin

[Manxhibs]

The application of VAR for different clubs is a clear sign of corruption. We all know The Rangers would have been given that yesterday. That’s because they’re looking to give decisions for the rangers and Celtic but for other teams they are looking to avoid it at all costs.

I don’t know what we can do, VAR has made Scottish football even worse than it was before - particularly for us.

[Green Reaper]

Initial reaction was definitely a pen, having reviewed it several times, still definitely a pen

[JimBHibees]

:agree: Notwithstanding that, I've watched it numerous times now and I'm still really struggling to see how anyone thinks the keeper got a touch on the ball.

The direction the ball went? What I would say is it definitely merited much more of a look than our friend David Munro merited. It wasn't altogether clear to me but would have been good to see from other angles. Clear assumption would be he was desperate not to give it just like all the other decisions he has given against us.

[LaMotta]

The direction the ball went? What I would say is it definitely merited much more of a look than our friend David Munro merited. It wasn't altogether clear to me but would have been good to see from other angles. Clear assumption would be he was desperate not to give it just like all the other decisions he has given against us.

Bit clearer footage here than the twitter clip at 0.30 seconds. Still only the same angles though;
https://youtu.be/cdSPSBfp2Eo?si=oJRgOmpuzX-yQ1r-

Slow it right down - The keeper comes to punch away from the box but the ball goes up and behind him. If he had punched it it would have surely went away from goal.

Looks like the ball hits the top of Emi's head and the keeper then takes him out. Either way though you are right though its like they dont check things properly when we have a claim whilst they are desperate to find them for Rangers/Celtic.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Bit clearer footage here than the twitter clip at 0.30 seconds. Still only the same angles though;
https://youtu.be/cdSPSBfp2Eo?si=oJRgOmpuzX-yQ1r-

Slow it right down - The keeper comes to punch away from the box but the ball goes up and behind him. If he had punched it it would have surely went away from goal.

Looks like the ball hits the top of Emi's head and the keeper then takes him out. Either way though you are right though its like they dont check things properly when we have a claim whilst they are desperate to find them for Rangers/Celtic.

I still think it’s really hard to tell.

I initially said I didn’t think it was a pen. Having watched it back, in slow motion, I’m now not sure either way. I still think it looks like the goalie gets something on it, mainly due to the way the ball spins up in the air.I don’t think it would come off Marcondes’ head like that and I think it would be much more likely that a sclaffed punch from the goalies fist would have it spinning the way it did. I’m trying to picture a ball dropping out the air, that’s not excessively spinning, winning a header in the way Marcondes has and how you’d go about getting the amount of spin onthe ball there ends up being without the goalie touching it. I’m not sure you could.

What I would say though is that if he’s got a touch on it and caused it to spin like that, he’s absolutely not caught it very cleanly and it’s likely nothing more than a slight touch.

If I was pushed to give the version of events that I think has unfolded, I’d probably go for Marcondes gets there first by the slightest of margins, his header is travelling towards goal for a matter of an inch or so and the goalie gets a sclaffed punch on it to make it spin up in the air. I’d say the goalie is probably a very lucky boy, but I still think if it was us, I’d be disappointed if it went against us and I’d be pointing to the goalie getting a touch as well.

Even at 0.25x speed though, it’s difficult to tell from that angle.

[Callum_62]

I still think it’s really hard to tell.

I initially said I didn’t think it was a pen. Having watched it back, in slow motion, I’m now not sure either way. I still think it looks like the goalie gets something on it, mainly due to the way the ball spins up in the air.I don’t think it would come off Marcondes’ head like that and I think it would be much more likely that a sclaffed punch from the goalies fist would have it spinning the way it did. I’m trying to picture a ball dropping out the air, that’s not excessively spinning, winning a header in the way Marcondes has and how you’d go about getting the amount of spin onthe ball there ends up being without the goalie touching it. I’m not sure you could.

What I would say though is that if he’s got a touch on it and caused it to spin like that, he’s absolutely not caught it very cleanly and it’s likely nothing more than a slight touch.

If I was pushed to give the version of events that I think has unfolded, I’d probably go for Marcondes gets there first by the slightest of margins, his header is travelling towards goal for a matter of an inch or so and the goalie gets a sclaffed punch on it to make it spin up in the air. I’d say the goalie is probably a very lucky boy, but I still think if it was us, I’d be disappointed if it went against us and I’d be pointing to the goalie getting a touch as well.

Even at 0.25x speed though, it’s difficult to tell from that angle.I still can't believe Rangers got the Silva penalty and we didn't

You are justifying us not getting it by slight possible touches of the ball etc- Johnson clearly got the ball first yesterday and yet the ref is sent to the screen indicating a clear and obvious error has taken place

It's another very obvious example of 2 tier referring

I'm literally struggling to think of any "could go either way decision by var that has went our way?

To be honest I don't even think that is a could go either way call, it's pretty obviously a foul by the keeper

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[Paulie Walnuts]

I still can't believe Rangers got the Silva penalty and we didn't

You are justifying us not getting it by slight possible touches of the ball etc- Johnson clearly got the ball first yesterday and yet the ref is sent to the screen indicating a clear and obvious error has taken place

It's another very obvious example of 2 tier referring

I'm literally struggling to think of any "could go either way decision by var that has went our way?

To be honest I don't even think that is a could go either way call, it's pretty obviously a foul by the keeper

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Tbh I’m not interested in whether Rangers would have got it. They get everything. I’m really just looking at the incident on its own merit.

Do you think the keeper got a touch? As I said, I’m now in the ‘not sure’ camp in terms of it being a penalty or not, it im still fairly certain the keeper gets something on it which many folk are insistent he didn’t. Whether it’s enough on it, or whether it should still be a pen as Marcondes beats him to it by a millisecond etc is another story and probably where the doubt creeps into my mind.

The keeper getting a touch is probably why I’d be disappointed if it went against us and is the reason I’d be saying it wasn’t a penalty. I’d be arguing it’s essentially a 50/50 and both players have got something on it.

[matty_f]

It should have been a penalty, that the referee want sent to look at it was ridiculous. It certainly feels like the referees have circled the wagons after some heat from us and they're trying to make sure we don't get ideas about doing it again.

[Donegal Hibby]

Craig levein said St Johnstone got away with one and Michael Stewart thought it was a penalty too.
The amount of decisions that have went against us this year is unbelievable. I do wonder what they've cost us in points this season.

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/michael-stewart-rages-hibs-vs-28957998

[Centre Hawf]

I think over the last few days my position has reversed a little bit on the shout, after initially thinking it wasn't a penalty (primarily because I felt the keeper got the ball). But after all the uproar over the Silva penalty it seems most of my thoughts on why it wasn't a foul from Mitov don't really hold up to any scrutiny when you apply the laws the way they're explaining them post Sunday.

I think Liam it was on the DTS podcast summed it up quite well that it's another in a long list of marginal or 50/50 decisions that we're not getting and that's probably where more the frustration is lying in that we're not being refereed to the same standard as others are.

[Onion]

Craig levein said St Johnstone got away with one and Michael Stewart thought it was a penalty too.
The amount of decisions that have went against us this year is unbelievable. I do wonder what they've cost us in points this season.

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/michael-stewart-rages-hibs-vs-28957998

It might ultimately cost us Top 6, a crack at European football, and Montgomery his job. I absolutely hate VAR simply because it finally confirms how corrupt the game is up here. I do hope someone is keeping details and a tally of the horrific decisions we're getting. Should make a great compilation video.

[superfurryhibby]

Just watched the , ahem, highlights. Slowed the penalty incident down to 0.25 and for me not seeing any doubt about it. No touch from the keeper, reckless challenge on Marcondes any way, keeper just jumps with the knee raised, straight into him. Marcondes was very lucky not to be hurt there.

[Donegal Hibby]

It might ultimately cost us Top 6, a crack at European football, and Montgomery his job. I absolutely hate VAR simply because it finally confirms how corrupt the game is up here. I do hope someone is keeping details and a tally of the horrific decisions we're getting. Should make a great compilation video.

While there's other reasons for a poor season too . I do feel that some of the decisions have ultimately cost us points and I do have a certain sympathy for Monty if he loses his Job because we missed out on top 6 by a point or two , never mind what it could have cost the club financially too .

Compilation video would be a great idea btw . It's been unreal the amount we've had !.

[JimBHibees]

It should have been a penalty, that the referee want sent to look at it was ridiculous. It certainly feels like the referees have circled the wagons after some heat from us and they're trying to make sure we don't get ideas about doing it again.

Absolutely the case with David Munro front and centre of a lot of it. Var on Saturday ref at Dingwall with the throw in 7 mins injury time and throw in taken from another country. Ref at sheep when Devlin played basket ball in genuinely the worst decision of the season. A few others also.

[Carheenlea]

While there's other reasons for a poor season too . I do feel that some of the decisions have ultimately cost us points and I do have a certain sympathy for Monty if he loses his Job because we missed out on top 6 by a point or two , never mind what it could have cost the club financially too .

Compilation video would be a great idea btw . It's been unreal the amount we've had !.

It all adds up, and while some decisions have undoubtedly cost us points we can’t escape the facts that if Monty is to be here next season we need to see a big improvement on a lot we’ve seen this season. Turning those dropped points into scrappy wins has not been helped though by so many ridiculous decisions going against us.

Contrast that to Hearts and the number of times they dig out something like Saturday, where a penalty and an OG was enough to get the win. Good fortune has been in short supply for us.

[matty_f]

It all adds up, and while some decisions have undoubtedly cost us points we can’t escape the facts that if Monty is to be here next season we need to see a big improvement on a lot we’ve seen this season. Turning those dropped points into scrappy wins has not been helped though by so many ridiculous decisions going against us.

Contrast that to Hearts and the number of times they dig out something like Saturday, where a penalty and an OG was enough to get the win. Good fortune has been in short supply for us.

St Mirren should also have had a penalty against Hearts.

[Donegal Hibby]

It all adds up, and while some decisions have undoubtedly cost us points we can’t escape the facts that if Monty is to be here next season we need to see a big improvement on a lot we’ve seen this season. Turning those dropped points into scrappy wins has not been helped though by so many ridiculous decisions going against us.

Contrast that to Hearts and the number of times they dig out something like Saturday, where a penalty and an OG was enough to get the win. Good fortune has been in short supply for us.

100% agree with you on if Monty's still our manager next season and gets the summer to recruit and a good pre-season then there has to be a big improvement. I'd say we would have given him a fair enough chance at that stage.

Some folk would say you make your own luck which to a degree is true though I do think this year on occasions if it wasn't for bad luck we wouldn't have any ☹️ .

[wookie70]

Watch the ALF penalty claim at 0.25 speed. Doesn't look offside and does look like he was fouled, The more I watch the Marcondes one the more it is a stonewaller, The Maolida one is a better shout for a penalty than half of those given against us this season too.

That is 3 credible claims for a pen in one game. They never looked at ALF's I dont think, not sure they looked at Maolida's and the one we are playing in super slow and taking a long time to decide on they dismissed fairly quickly. Is there some sort of rule that every possibility for a penalty against us and they will stop teh game for an age to see if there is an angle that supports and award. While if we have a fairly obvious claim it isn't even looked at or dismissed after one angle in real time.

[Keepthefaith]

It might ultimately cost us Top 6, a crack at European football, and Montgomery his job. I absolutely hate VAR simply because it finally confirms how corrupt the game is up here. I do hope someone is keeping details and a tally of the horrific decisions we're getting. Should make a great compilation video.

aye but it's not like VAR overturned the refs decision for not giving the pen v st J or the ref not giving the pen v Aberdeen, or Boyle getting booked v Celtic? I also think more pressure needs to be put on the linesmen and women. they are sometimes in a better position to see things and could (and used to much more) indicate fouls etc. feels like they are scared to disagree with the ref or offer any guidance?

[PatHead]

Makes you wonder why linesmen are still there.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Just watched the , ahem, highlights. Slowed the penalty incident down to 0.25 and for me not seeing any doubt about it. No touch from the keeper, reckless challenge on Marcondes any way, keeper just jumps with the knee raised, straight into him. Marcondes was very lucky not to be hurt there.

Do you not question how the ball spun up in the air like it did without a touch from the keeper?

That’s not to say you’re wrong in thinking it’s a pen. I’m still undecided. There’s little doubt in my mind the keeper makes contact with the ball though, I think the flight and spin of the ball shows that.

[Rumble de Thump]

Do you not question how the ball spun up in the air like it did without a touch from the keeper?

That’s not to say you’re wrong in thinking it’s a pen. I’m still undecided. There’s little doubt in my mind the keeper makes contact with the ball though, I think the flight and spin of the ball shows that.

The ball came off of Marcondes' head. He got his head to the ball while he was being punched in the face.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The ball came off of Marcondes' head. He got his head to the ball while he was being punched in the face.

It did indeed. The ball then spins in the air, directly upwards a way that it absolutely wouldn’t have had the keeper not made contact with it. He didn’t get punched whilst winning the header. He got punched after he won the header and after the keeper touched it. It all happens very quickly, and having only one camera angle isn’t great, but given the spin on the ball, the direction the ball initially travels and the fact the ball ends up suddenly going directly up in the air, whilst considering the position of the two players in question that’s the logical chain of events imo.

Marcondes’ header doesn’t put that spin on the ball. Whether it’s enough contact from the keeper is another question, but he undoubtedly gets something on it imo.

[basehibby]

I was shouting for it at the time - albeit it's becoming pretty routine for our players to be cleaned out in and around the opposition area with the ref playing on as if nothing had happened - H&S be damned - it's only Hibs eh? Who cares if our players die of head injuries?!?

[lyonhibs]

Marcondes wins the header then the keeper steamrollers him. It doesn't get more stonewaller than that?

Does their keeper get the ball? No.
Does their keeper make contact with Marcondes? Yes

Has to be a pen.

Keeper gets a vague knuckle on the ball, but only after utterly clobbering Marcondes. Up there with the Aberdeen non handball and Boyle non penalty vs Celtic as the worst VAR horror shows we've recently been subject to.