League Reform

[one day maybe...]

How about this for a reform to our the Scottish league? It’ll get shot down almost straight away from everyone saying that’s sh*t
But how about introducing two points for a win and no points for a draw. Combine that with an 18 team league playing each other twice. Two automatic relegation spots and the third bottom team in a playoff (one off game) against the 3rd placed team in the Championship. Reason? What we have now is boring 🥱

[Hibbyradge]

No

[H18 SFR]

Not for me.

[Ringothedog]

How about this for a reform to our the Scottish league? It’ll get shot down almost straight away from everyone saying that’s sh*t
But how about introducing two points for a win and no points for a draw. Combine that with an 18 team league playing each other twice. Two automatic relegation spots and the third bottom team in a playoff (one off game) against the 3rd placed team in the Championship. Reason? What we have now is boring 🥱
And this would improve the competitiveness in what way? The current setup is crap but your solution would not be an improvement on what we have just now

[Stubbsy90+2]

Sorry mate. But that’s ****.

[Callum_62]

That is absolutely **** to be fair

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[Libby Hibby]

How about this for a reform to our the Scottish league? It’ll get shot down almost straight away from everyone saying that’s sh*t
But how about introducing two points for a win and no points for a draw. Combine that with an 18 team league playing each other twice. Two automatic relegation spots and the third bottom team in a playoff (one off game) against the 3rd placed team in the Championship. Reason? What we have now is boring 🥱

That’s sh*t

[AngloHibs]

How about this for a reform to our the Scottish league? It’ll get shot down almost straight away from everyone saying that’s sh*t
But how about introducing two points for a win and no points for a draw. Combine that with an 18 team league playing each other twice. Two automatic relegation spots and the third bottom team in a playoff (one off game) against the 3rd placed team in the Championship. Reason? What we have now is boring 🥱
Not for me. The scenario you have described would give absolutely no reward for a last minute equaliser.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

How about this for a reform to our the Scottish league? It’ll get shot down almost straight away from everyone saying that’s sh*t
But how about introducing two points for a win and no points for a draw. Combine that with an 18 team league playing each other twice. Two automatic relegation spots and the third bottom team in a playoff (one off game) against the 3rd placed team in the Championship. Reason? What we have now is boring 🥱

U wot m8

[one day maybe...]

So it’s a resounding no 🥲 back to the drawing board 😁

[Pagan Hibernia]

Not for me. The scenario you have described would give absolutely no reward for a last minute equaliser.

Yep. The only reward would be to prevent the opposition getting anything. Where would be the incentive to attack at 2-0 down, or 1-0 if there's only a couple of minutes left. A draw is the same as a defeat. May as well just give up.

Nothing personal OP. But it's terrible.

[Mark05]

How about this for a reform to our the Scottish league? It’ll get shot down almost straight away from everyone saying that’s sh*t
But how about introducing two points for a win and no points for a draw. Combine that with an 18 team league playing each other twice. Two automatic relegation spots and the third bottom team in a playoff (one off game) against the 3rd placed team in the Championship. Reason? What we have now is boring 🥱
One day maybe,I have a different suggestion to your idea.How about like in rugby they have bonus losing point's
So still 3 points for a win no point's for a draw but you get a point if you score.Even if you are getting beat 3-0 for instance you would still be attacking trying to get that bonus point oh my disclaimer is I'm on holiday and been drinking a lot 🤣

[Donegal Hibby]

Just about the idea of a bigger league .

I listened to a Scottish premier league manager awhile back who managed in England and he said in a bigger league it's easier for clubs to give young players a chance rather than in our league because it's smaller , more competitive and a run of 3 defeats could see a team drift down into relegation trouble and put a manager under pressure . ( Other reasons too mentioned) .

My questions to you on this is , is this one of the reasons there are more foreign players that are coming into the Scottish game ? . And how will this effect young Scottish players and your national team in the future? .

[greenlex]

How about this for a reform to our the Scottish league? It’ll get shot down almost straight away from everyone saying that’s sh*t
But how about introducing two points for a win and no points for a draw. Combine that with an 18 team league playing each other twice. Two automatic relegation spots and the third bottom team in a playoff (one off game) against the 3rd placed team in the Championship. Reason? What we have now is boring 🥱

I’d still give a point each for a draw but could have none for a goalless one. Puts the onus on scoring rather than that last minute equaliser being worth nothing.
I agree about playing each other twice being a positive too. I think the split is also crap.

[sauzee1989]

The league should simply be 18 teams play each other twice. This would effectively close the gap in points between old firm and other sides challenging as we won’t need to play them 4 times.

[LEaston87]

14 team league, play each other twice then split into top 7 and bottom 7. Play each team twice. 26 games pre split, another 12 games post split. 38 game season, old firm get their 4 games a season as do the teams who get in the top 7. Will also mean theres no uneven home and away fixtures

[Phil MaGlass]

One day maybe,I have a different suggestion to your idea.How about like in rugby they have bonus losing point's
So still 3 points for a win no point's for a draw but you get a point if you score.Even if you are getting beat 3-0 for instance you would still be attacking trying to get that bonus point oh my disclaimer is I'm on holiday and been drinking a lot 🤣

1 pt if you score, I like it.

[Waxy]

It’s pretty good the way it is right now.
Maybe expand the bottom league to allow more ventilation and get rid of b teams from the lowland league.

[Diclonius]

Ideal league reform:

Scottish Premiership (two teams, no relegation, teams play each other 38 times a season)
Scottish Championship (twenty teams, play each other twice a season, no promotion, winner automatically qualifies for Europa League)

[Allyg69]

Ideal league reform:

Scottish Premiership (two teams, no relegation, teams play each other 38 times a season)
Scottish Championship (twenty teams, play each other twice a season, no promotion, winner automatically qualifies for Europa League)
Perfect

[hibsforeurope]

How about this for a reform to our the Scottish league? It’ll get shot down almost straight away from everyone saying that’s sh*t
But how about introducing two points for a win and no points for a draw. Combine that with an 18 team league playing each other twice. Two automatic relegation spots and the third bottom team in a playoff (one off game) against the 3rd placed team in the Championship. Reason? What we have now is boring 🥱

I don't think all the ideas are non-starters. I'd like to see an increased league, 2 points for a win and 1 for a draw, playing each other home and away once. The top 2 can play a 2 legged play off to see who's champions.

I would like to see a limit put on subs allowed. 3 subs allowed, 5 if they are Scottish qualified. With 1/3 of the squad to be home grown/Scots qualified.

It'll never happen but this would be my preference.

Oh and foreign refs and no VAR while we're at it.

[Centre Hawf]

Not for me. The scenario you have described would give absolutely no reward for a last minute equaliser.

I've always felt that something football could do with is no points for a 0-0 draw. Still incentivises a trailing team to go for it, but if it gets to the last 10 minutes at 0-0 you might start seeing a bit more of an open game than the cagey affairs you get now where teams settle for a point.

[Hibbyradge]

I'd favour a 14 team league. Teams play each other twice then the league splits and the teams in each half play each other twice giving a total of 38 games.

It won't happen simply because clubs can't afford to lose 2 games against the arse cheeks. The revenue from Hibs, hertz and Aberdeen's travelling support is important too.

[wookie70]

I've always felt that something football could do with is no points for a 0-0 draw. Still incentivises a trailing team to go for it, but if it gets to the last 10 minutes at 0-0 you might start seeing a bit more of an open game than the cagey affairs you get now where teams settle for a point.

I would go for a point for any goals scored by either team. You get beat 2-1 and you still get a point, a point for a draw(1-1 would be two points each) and 3 points for a win. The reason 3 points was brought in was to encourage teams to attack. It simply hasn't worked. Give reward for scoring.

In terms of the number of teams in the top league it is either the same as we have now where the vast majority of games have meaning or taking a longer term view and having a bigger lead which may be good for player development but ultimately means more meaningless games. Splits could be used to mitigate that though. Ultimately, it will always be a crap league if the Uglies are in it and football is decided on who has the most money with everything weighted in the bigger clubs favour.

[worcesterhibby]

18 team league - no split - 3 points for a win - 2 points for a score draw - 1 point for a 0-0 draw

we also need to completely change the penalty rules. Only a foul that stops an obvious goalscoring chance should be a penalty - all other "fouls" in the box should be free kicks - at least that would lessen the influence that cheating Rangers supporting VAR operators can have on a match.

[PHeffernan]

I'd favour a 14 team league. Teams play each other twice then the league splits and the teams in each half play each other twice giving a total of 38 games.

It won't happen simply because clubs can't afford to lose 2 games against the arse cheeks. The revenue from Hibs, hertz and Aberdeen's travelling support is important too.

This is my ideal top league set up as well.

It ensures equal home and away games for each club which the current arrangement doesn't. The current post split home and away game arrangement is a mess.
This new set up would give the same number of home pay days for each club as at present, 19. That is the current set up when not messed up by the post split fixture anomalies.

It would allow a 7th team to be in the top split and would provide more stability for the less rich clubs with 14 places in the top league instead of 12.
As you say the only downside for those clubs is 5 would lose a home pay day against all the big clubs once every 2 seasons. The flip side is 2 other teams that don't get them at the moment would get one.

Makes perfect sense.

[davhibby]

The league should simply be 18 teams play each other twice. This would effectively close the gap in points between old firm and other sides challenging as we won’t need to play them 4 times.

It would have the opposite effect. You’d have loads of seasons where the only time either one of them lost would be against each other. Seasons where we weren’t good enough to get Europe would see us effectively playing friendlies for months at the end of the season as well. Would probably put me off going every week.

That’s before you realise that at various points in the last 10 years or so that would have seen one or more of Arbroath/Alloa/Dumbarton getting beat 5/6-0 most weeks as part time sides. We’d have less interest in a league in that format from tv/fans/sponsors than now

[JeMeSouviens]

I'd favour a 14 team league. Teams play each other twice then the league splits and the teams in each half play each other twice giving a total of 38 games.

It won't happen simply because clubs can't afford to lose 2 games against the arse cheeks. The revenue from Hibs, hertz and Aberdeen's travelling support is important too.

This - but I would tweak this so it splits 6-8. Top 6 has 36 games, bottom 8 has 40. Then you don't have teams sitting out a fixture for each set post-split.

[The Modfather]

Is this in addition to the reforms Hearts are leading? They were doing it for the good of Scottish football after all and not self interest. Coincidentally, I’ve not heard anything from them since they got promoted.

[Basildon Hibs]

Perfect

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[PHeffernan]

This - but I would tweak this so it splits 6-8. Top 6 has 36 games, bottom 8 has 40. Then you don't have teams sitting out a fixture for each set post-split.

Your tweak would lose the top 6 teams a home game from the present arrangement which for the Smellies would be a loss of at least 2 million quid and for Hibs half a million quid.

[JeMeSouviens]

Your tweak would lose the top 6 teams a home game from the present arrangement which for the Smellies would be a loss of at least 2 million quid and for Hibs half a million quid.

Only if they lowered ST prices - which they wouldn't.

[Keith_M]

I'd have:

3 points for a win
1 point for all draws, except the following....
10 points for a 2-2 scoreline


We'd be skooshing the league just now.

[PHeffernan]

Only if they lowered ST prices - which they wouldn't.

Then us the supporters would get screwed or become walk ups if those prices remained the same.

[Alfred E Newman]

How about this for a reform to our the Scottish league? It’ll get shot down almost straight away from everyone saying that’s sh*t
But how about introducing two points for a win and no points for a draw. Combine that with an 18 team league playing each other twice. Two automatic relegation spots and the third bottom team in a playoff (one off game) against the 3rd placed team in the Championship. Reason? What we have now is boring 🥱

We’d definitely be relegated.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'd favour a 14 team league. Teams play each other twice then the league splits and the teams in each half play each other twice giving a total of 38 games.

It won't happen simply because clubs can't afford to lose 2 games against the arse cheeks. The revenue from Hibs, hertz and Aberdeen's travelling support is important too.


This - but I would tweak this so it splits 6-8. Top 6 has 36 games, bottom 8 has 40. Then you don't have teams sitting out a fixture for each set post-split.

I like either of these. :thumbsup:

[chippy]

Let’s throw our lot in with Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Ireland and set up a Viking League. Population around 40 million. A premier league and perhaps a Championship. Be good for the ferry business and cheap airlines too.