Andy Murray

[Hiber-nation]

2 massive wins in a row for Andy in Florida - Berretini and now Etcheverry. Written off so many times. Life in the old dog yet alright!

[DaveF]

He has played pretty well but there needs to be a bit of context re his opponents. Berretini is only just back on the tour after months out with injury and I think that was Etcheverry's first game in 6 weeks or so after a hamstring injury.

He has a tough game against Mahac next. Would love to see him win that and go a bit further in the tournament.

[WeeRussell]

2 massive wins in a row for Andy in Florida - Berretini and now Etcheverry. Written off so many times. Life in the old dog yet alright!

He was writing himself off a few weeks ago!

Good couple of wins for him. He’s a long time finished competing at the business end of slams and bigger tournaments though. Think that’s where people have written him off and rightly so.

The fact he’s still doing what he is, after a long career and the treatment he’s had is impressive. Hopefully he can keep doing it and enjoying it for a bit longer yet.

[Hiber-nation]

First set won against Machac. Serving well.

[DaveF]

He played a great set of tennis. Pity about the rain but if he can keep this standard of tennis, he should win.

[DaveF]

He's on the verge of self destruction with his moaning at people in the crowd and bickering with the umpire but hangs on for 5-5, saving 2 set points.

[Sloop67]

Second set heading for a tie break

[Hiber-nation]

Cracking up now. Needs to keep his cool but can't see him winning anyway.

[Sloop67]

Second set heading for a tie break
Murray's serve broken , 1 set each now

[Sloop67]

This stuff with the crowd is really bugging him now , he losing his focus

[DaveF]

He clearly plays well when fired up but it's a fine line between using that angst in a positive or negative way. Towards the end of that set he just seemed determined to let anything and everything get on his nerves and then proceeded to make a few unforced errors and eventually handed over the set.

Machac looks totally unfazed by it all and I'll be surprised if he loses from here, unless Murray can clear his head and do what he does best.

[Sloop67]

Going to be tough for Murray from here

[Sloop67]

It wouldn't be an Andy Murray match without some drama

[Hiber-nation]

Aye crazy even by Murray's standards!

[Hiber-nation]

Really thought he was going to win that.

[DaveF]

Great effort from Murray but credit to Machac who played those final tie break points brilliantly.

[Sloop67]

Looks like Andy's injury is pretty serious

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Looks like Andy's injury is pretty serious

It was a sad thing to witness earlier. 😥

[DaveF]

Looks like Andy's injury is pretty serious

All the more remarkable that he carried on and almost won the game. He will want to play Wimbledon so hopefully he makes that and then packs in to enjoy his retirement.

[Sloop67]

All the more remarkable that he carried on and almost won the game. He will want to play Wimbledon so hopefully he makes that and then packs in to enjoy his retirement.

From what I've read today, any surgery that is required should be able to be done keyhole, so that should hopefully cut down the recovery time a little

[DaveF]

Currently playing Wawrinka in the opening round of the french open. Just lost the first set.

[Sloop67]

Struggling here , Stan the Man is too strong for Andy ATM, it's a long way back for Murray

[Irish_Steve]

Yip, looks like he's playing his last French Open match

[Pretty Boy]

I totally respect the determination he showed to keep playing, I respect that he said as long as he was enjoying it he would keep going and I respect that he has earned the right to call time on his own career.

But.......this is pretty sad to watch. He doesn't really look much like he is enjoying it now and he's really struggling to be competitive. Maybe Wimbledon 2024 is the time to say goodbye and get the ovation his career deserves.

[Irish_Steve]

I totally respect the determination he showed to keep playing, I respect that he said as long as he was enjoying it he would keep going and I respect that he has earned the right to call time on his own career.

But.......this is pretty sad to watch. He doesn't really look much like he is enjoying it now and he's really struggling to be competitive. Maybe Wimbledon 2024 is the time to say goodbye and get the ovation his career deserves.

I'm sure he said he is going to retire after Wimbledon

PS - Big Stan would give Jim Slavin a run for his money in the size of his shorts

[Hiber-nation]

Just announce Wimbledon is your final tourney after this and that'll be that. Why wait any longer.

[Sloop67]

There's a guy with a black cloak and a scythe following Andy and he's catching him up quickly. Andy has nothing to prove , time and tide waits for no man , but it can't be much fun for him now

[JimBHibees]

Makes sense to give Wimbledon a final go. Absolutely nothing to prove to anyone

[DaveF]

Could be Nadal's farewell today against Zverev.

Not a great start, broken to 0 in the opening game.

[Sloop67]

Similar to Andy not the way Nadal would have wanted to leave the stage , time , age and wear and tear are catching up on these guys

[BroxburnHibee]

Just announce Wimbledon is your final tourney after this and that'll be that. Why wait any longer.

He'll be part of the Olympics then that will be it I'd imagine

[DaveF]

I thought it was night and day between Murray and Nadal's performances. Nadal would have beaten most of the field but had a nigh on impossible task against Zverev.

Playing like he did today he could definitely carry on.

[Itsnoteasy]

He'll be part of the Olympics then that will be it I'd imagine

Does he deserve to be in the team. He's only ranked #4 in the UK

[Sloop67]

Katie Boulter makes it a clean sweep of defeats for the British contingent

[greenlex]

I think he’s only carrying on for commercial reasons.

[He's here!]

I think he’s only carrying on for commercial reasons.

I don't think so. You could tell he believed he had a shot at getting back towards the top and of the rankings after his op, but it was always a very long shot. IIRC the only player to have made anything like a successful return with a metal hip was one of the Bryant brothers in doubles.

Personally I thought doubles would have been a more realistic option for Andy but it must be hard to have reached the pinnacle of your sport only to have your career cut short by injury. And to be fair he HAS come back and won a few tournaments, which is pretty remarkable.

[Sloop67]

Djokovic wins in 5 sets Vs Mussetti . Absolutely ridiculous time to finish a match , 03:07 ( French Time ) not a lot of thought for player welfare or for the officials and others involved

[greenlex]

I don't think so. You could tell he believed he had a shot at getting back towards the top and of the rankings after his op, but it was always a very long shot. IIRC the only player to have made anything like a successful return with a metal hip was one of the Bryant brothers in doubles.

Personally I thought doubles would have been a more realistic option for Andy but it must be hard to have reached the pinnacle of your sport only to have your career cut short by injury. And to be fair he HAS come back and won a few tournaments, which is pretty remarkable.

He can’t possibly believe he still has it.

[Sloop67]

Novak has withdrawn from the tournament due to a knee injury

[heretoday]

Novak has withdrawn from the tournament due to a knee injury

Shame. He's probably out for Wimbledon too.

[DaveF]

The year I finally make it to Wimbledon and no Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and an over the hill Murray 😂

[He's here!]

He can’t possibly believe he still has it.

He never seriously thought he could get back to world No 1 again but he did target the top 40 and managed to achieve that which was good going at that level with a metal hip.

[He's here!]

Novak has withdrawn from the tournament due to a knee injury

Surprised to hear the injury was genuine. Normally he feigns these things to knock his opponents off their stride and then stages a miraculous recovery.

[WeeRussell]

Surprised to hear the injury was genuine. Normally he feigns these things to knock his opponents off their stride and then stages a miraculous recovery.

Normally he wins grand slams because he’s the best player at the tournament.

[DaveF]

Murray turfed out in the opening in Stuttgart by Marcus Giron.

[Hiber-nation]

Andy comes through the first round at Queen's against Popyrin, played pretty well.

Jordan Thompson another Aussie in next round. At least he can still manage to win a match, hopefully he can get another win and a lucky draw at Wimbledon 😁

[He's here!]

Andy comes through the first round at Queen's against Popyrin, played pretty well.

Jordan Thompson another Aussie in next round. At least he can still manage to win a match, hopefully he can get another win and a lucky draw at Wimbledon 😁

Enjoyed that today. A good battling win. I always felt Andy was best to watch on grass, although I think the US Open was his favourite surface.

[DaveF]

Murray retires hurt at 1-4 down at Queen's.

2 weeks to Wimbledon, so hopefully he can get himself fit for that.

[He's here!]

Murray retires hurt at 1-4 down at Queen's.

2 weeks to Wimbledon, so hopefully he can get himself fit for that.

I'll be surprised if he recovers in time. The injury occurred in the very first game today. Tried to continue after treatment but you could see he was done.

[DaveF]

I'll be surprised if he recovers in time. The injury occurred in the very first game today. Tried to continue after treatment but you could see he was done.

I'm selfishly hoping he does as I have centre court tickets for day 2 so there could be a chance he would be on then.

Find out soon enough I suppose.

[Hiber-nation]

Hopefully just a tweak. You saw it when he sat down the other day in one of the first breaks, it was as if he'd sat on a tack or something, seemed to take him completely by surprise.

[DaveF]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/crgg77n8w1ro

Interesting listening to him describing the issue. His body sounds absolutely broken due to the demands of top level tennis and the other problems he has had.

[He's here!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/crgg77n8w1ro

Interesting listening to him describing the issue. His body sounds absolutely broken due to the demands of top level tennis and the other problems he has had.

That spell at his absolute peak when he won Wimbledon, Olympic gold, carried the GB team to Davis Cup victory and finished up as world No 1 took a hell of a lot out of him. It was a phenomenal effort from a player who gave it everything to keep pace with the almost freakish Federer, Nadal and Djokovic and when he retired from Wimbledon the next year with the injury that led to his hip replacement you sensed he had simply taken his body beyond what it could cope with.

Having been born with a split kneecap he's never lacked challenges to overcome.

Hopefully you get to see him. He's also down to play doubles with Jamie which might get a top court billing.

[He's here!]

Jack Draper's just beaten Alcarez at Queen's. That's a terrific win.

You can see why Andy Murray reckons this guy's sights are set a bit higher than British No 1.

[DaveF]

A tremendous win for Draper. He's going to get a lot of pressure as the next saviour of British tennis so I hope he can handle it. He certainly has the talent.

[He's here!]

A tremendous win for Draper. He's going to get a lot of pressure as the next saviour of British tennis so I hope he can handle it. He certainly has the talent.

The pressure on Murray was ridiculous when you consider how low British expectations should have been, bearing in mind that post-Fred Perry there had been barely a men's player of significant note.

As you say, hopefully Draper can deal with expectations (probably even higher considering he's English).

[greenlex]

No singles for Murray. He will bow out of Wimbledon in the doubles.

[Hiber-nation]

No singles for Murray. He will bow out of Wimbledon in the doubles.

Hope he can get through the doubles. He didn't look like a man ready to play serious tennis in the clip I saw yesterday.

[He's here!]

Hope he can get through the doubles. He didn't look like a man ready to play serious tennis in the clip I saw yesterday.

He won't need to cover the ground like he would in singles so hopefully they can be competitive, but Andy will be relying on Jamie to carry him to a large extent I imagine.

What I suspect will happen is that it will be more of an emotional opportunity for the Wimbledon crowd to acknowledge a British legend of the game and for Andy to take his final bow, irrespective of the outcome. If that's the case, it's a bit a shame for Jamie who will essentially be sacrificing his hopes of serious progress in a format he's excelled in, but it will still be an occasion he'd want to be part of I think.

The Murray brothers in their prime playing Davis Cup doubles were a thrilling watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Osqx__Ovawg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2k9Z2DV9Ns

[DaveF]

Chat here from the staff is that there will be a presentation to Murray after the Draper game. Can't see it happening myself but time will tell .

[He's here!]

That was a Murray-esque five-setter under the roof from Jack Draper after taking his place on Centre Court.

[He's here!]

Qualifier Jacob Fearnley from Edinburgh pushing Djokovic all the way on Centre Court. Crazy scenes when he took the third set!

He doesn't look remotely fazed, although I gather he honed his tennis on the US college circuit so he's probably got a bit of steel about him.

Always great to see Novax looking rattled. Wouldn't be surprised if there's a 'medical' timeout called if this keeps up.

[Hiber-nation]

Dart beating Boulter was a bit of an epic.

Hopefully Cam Norrie can do the same to Draper, a set up and cruising the 2nd so far.

[JimBHibees]

Some win for Cam Norrie played really well the bits I have seen

[Hiber-nation]

Some win for Cam Norrie played really well the bits I have seen

Aye he was excellent. Best he's been for a long time.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Tremendous tribute to Andy from the BBC there, quite moving. 😥

[Pretty Boy]

Tremendous tribute to Andy from the BBC there, quite moving. 😥

He looks ready for retirement now.

He looks moved but not massively emotional, no sign he still has unfinished business. It's a good way to go.

[Scorrie]

Tremendous tribute to Andy from the BBC there, quite moving. 😥

Aye brilliant. I’m welling up here!

[JohnM1875]

He’s honestly just an unbelievable human being.

Easily, by a country mile my favourite ever sportsman. Not even close. Deserves every bit of praise he gets.

[Scorrie]

He’s honestly just an unbelievable human being.

Easily, by a country mile my favourite ever sportsman. Not even close. Deserves every bit of praise he gets.

Agree. He’s total class in every aspect

[Hiber-nation]

Fantastic tribute. What a man, what an athlete.

[lapsedhibee]

He’s honestly just an unbelievable human being.


Agree. He’s total class in every aspect

Was going to agree that he's a class act, except with him it's the opposite of an act.

[Stairway 2 7]

https://x.com/Wimbledon/status/1808952151172895148

Hero

[McD]

https://x.com/Wimbledon/status/1808952151172895148

Hero

That’s so well done. When you see who’s speaking so warmly about him, the best to play the sport, it’s inspiring.


I’m too young to remember the likes of Allan Wells, in my living memory the only other Scotsman who has went toe to toe with the worlds best is Stephen Hendry (someone please correct me if I’ve missed someone). And for me, I think Andy pips him, partly because of the sheer will and grit he’s displayed over nearly 20 years, and partly because many British snooker players were successful, Hendry never had to carry the weight that Murray did in terms of national expectation and pressure.


Whenever it comes Andy, enjoy retirement, you’ve earned it, and made many of us proud

[JimBHibees]

Tremendous tribute to Andy from the BBC there, quite moving. 😥

Yes it was very well done. Thought he spoke very well in the interview. Absolute legend and loved watching him play over the years.

[LewysGot2]

That’s so well done. When you see who’s speaking so warmly about him, the best to play the sport, it’s inspiring.


I’m too young to remember the likes of Allan Wells, in my living memory the only other Scotsman who has went toe to toe with the worlds best is Stephen Hendry (someone please correct me if I’ve missed someone). And for me, I think Andy pips him, partly because of the sheer will and grit he’s displayed over nearly 20 years, and partly because many British snooker players were successful, Hendry never had to carry the weight that Murray did in terms of national expectation and pressure.


Whenever it comes Andy, enjoy retirement, you’ve earned it, and made many of us proud

Chris Hoy?

[He's here!]

Chris Hoy?

Hoy was terrific but Andy's on a different level. Cycling enjoyed enormous funding and produced a string of top Brits whereas Andy dug his success out in a sport where British success had become all but non existent. I don't think any British sportsman came under greater pressure than he did and to have prevailed as he did when up against such phenomenal opponents marks him out as a class apart.

[JimBHibees]

Hoy was terrific but Andy's on a different level. Cycling enjoyed enormous funding and produced a string of top Brits whereas Andy dug his success out in a sport where British success had become all but non existent. I don't think any British sportsman came under greater pressure than he did and to have prevailed as he did when it against such phenomenal opponents marks him out as a class apart.

Agree totally the generation he was competing with was off the scale. If he was at his peak now he would have won many more slams imo. In saying that with three grand slams two at Wimbledon two Olympic golds Davis cup and numerous other titles his career achievements are absolutely brilliant.

[McD]

Chris Hoy?

Thank you :aok:


Hoy was terrific but Andy's on a different level. Cycling enjoyed enormous funding and produced a string of top Brits whereas Andy dug his success out in a sport where British success had become all but non existent. I don't think any British sportsman came under greater pressure than he did and to have prevailed as he did when up against such phenomenal opponents marks him out as a class apart.


Agree totally the generation he was competing with was off the scale. If he was at his peak now he would have won many more slams imo. In saying that with three grand slams two at Wimbledon two Olympic golds Davis cup and numerous other titles his career achievements are absolutely brilliant.


I agree, Chris Hoy is one of Britain’s most successful Olympians (if not THE most), the difference between him and Andy Murray is who else was there. Hoy had some very successful British cycling peers, male and female, who also helped make British cycling very very successful. AM had no one really. Henman was on the way down as Murray came to prominence (and as has been shown, has never been on Murray's level), and there’s been no one else come close.

[He's here!]

Sensational Alcarez match earlier.

Radacanu into the second week. She's got something extra about her when it comes to the British women. Potentially the Andy Murray of her game.

[KdyHby]

Got tickets for no. 1 court tomorrow, looking forward to seeing Andy and Raducanu.

[Sloop67]

Emma Raducanu looked really good. Playing with a smile on her face great to see

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Raducanu has withdrawn from the mixed doubles, so, that's it at Wimbledon for Andy.

[DaveF]

Does not seem like Judy Murray was too impressed with the late drop out.

[JohnM1875]

Does not seem like Judy Murray was too impressed with the late drop out.

What did she say? Tweet looks to have been deleted.

It is a bit punky from Raducanu, but have to look after number one I guess. Andy maybe secretly happy his last game was on Centre Court with his brother and that send off was special.

[Trinity Hibee]

Does not seem like Judy Murray was too impressed with the late drop out.

What did she say?

Tbf it feels more fitting he finished playing with Jamie and having the presentation after that match

[DaveF]

Nothing major.

A journalist posted the word 'astonishing' when the news broke, and she replied 'yes, astonishing'

[He's here!]

Raducanu has withdrawn from the mixed doubles, so, that's it at Wimbledon for Andy.

She's citing a wrist niggle but her team will have persuaded her to drop out. They weren't happy she'd agreed to play.

The Murray camp will be entitled to be a bit hacked off at the 11th hour call-off but I agree the way he bowed out with Jamie seemed a fitting farewell.

[Sloop67]

I'm not really that surpried she's scratched from the mixed doubles , the singles are more important than her , it would have been nice to see Andy one last time, hopefully at the Olympics he'll get a chance

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I'm not really that surpried she's scratched from the mixed doubles.

Neither am I, it's a tad unfortunate but, she's got bigger fish to fry.

[JimBHibees]

Neither am I, it's a tad unfortunate but, she's got bigger fish to fry.

Agree Andy would have made the same decision if roles were reversed

[blackpoolhibs]

Neither am I, it's a tad unfortunate but, she's got bigger fish to fry.

Not for much longer.
:greengrin

Maybe not. :greengrin

[HibbyAndy]

Never watched the match but Radacanu was 1/6 on !!!!

Now either bet365 are taking the piss hoping folk know nothing about Tennis and lump on Radacanu or it's a big upset

[JimBHibees]

Never watched the match but Radacanu was 1/6 on !!!!

Now either bet365 are taking the piss hoping folk know nothing about Tennis and lump on Radacanu or it's a big upset

Sun was a qualifier so it was an upset however she completely outplayed Emma. Raducanu was 3 to one on after she equalled the match which seemed strange.

[ekhibee]

Agree Andy would have made the same decision if roles were reversed

Don't agree but it doesn't matter cos she was knocked out anyway.

[JimBHibees]

Don't agree but it doesn't matter cos she was knocked out anyway.

If Andy was going for Wimbledon title and had an injury concern 100 per cent he would have binned the doubles.

[He's here!]

Never watched the match but Radacanu was 1/6 on !!!!

Now either bet365 are taking the piss hoping folk know nothing about Tennis and lump on Radacanu or it's a big upset

It was a qualifier v a wildcard so it seems generous odds.

In saying that Raducanu was right back in it having levelled at a set all but then took a nasty fall right at the start of the deciding set which required lengthy treatment. She wasn't moving freely for the next few games by which time the match got away from her which was a shame. I'd have fancied her to go on and win otherwise based on how impressive she looked on Friday in dumping the 9th seed, so the bookies were probably not too far off.

There have been quite a few bad falls and early retirals at this Wimbledon, Dimitrov being the latest today.

[Betty Boop]

Mon Paolini the wee pocket rocket.

[ekhibee]

Alcaraz was an easy winner this year, beat Djokavic comfortably. Only 21 as well.

[JohnM1875]

Alcaraz was an easy winner this year, beat Djokavic comfortably. Only 21 as well.

Boy is a freak! Some unbelievable shots throughout and thoroughly deserved. Love that he keeps looking at his watch, he knows the Euro final is soon haha.

[Hiber-nation]

What a performance. Who's going to stop him I wonder.

Really enjoyed this Wimbledon, far more than the Euros!

[He's here!]

What a performance. Who's going to stop him I wonder.

Really enjoyed this Wimbledon, far more than the Euros!

A win for tennis. What an entertainer Alcaraz is. Djokovic has sucked the life out of the game for far too long and it's great to see flair triumph over soul-sapping grind.

As you say, Wimbledon's way better than the football. Last night's men's doubles final wasn't one I planned to watch but you couldn't take your eyes off it. Utterly gripping.

[JohnM1875]

A win for tennis. What an entertainer Alcaraz is. Djokovic has sucked the life out of the game for far too long and it's great to see flair triumph over soul-sapping grind.

As you say, Wimbledon's way better than the football. Last night's men's doubles final wasn't one I planned to watch but you couldn't take your eyes off it. Utterly gripping.

I cannot stand Djokovic and think he's a total prick of a guy. I'll also never be convinced he isn't or, at some point, hasn't been a drug cheat. But he is undoubtedly a phenomenal tennis player. As much as it pains me, probably the best ever.

I think Alcaraz has the potential to top Djokovic though. Boy is ridiculous and doesn't really have a weak surface.

[He's here!]

I cannot stand Djokovic and think he's a total prick of a guy. I'll also never be convinced he isn't or, at some point, hasn't been a drug cheat. But he is undoubtedly a phenomenal tennis player. As much as it pains me, probably the best ever.

I think Alcaraz has the potential to top Djokovic though. Boy is ridiculous and doesn't really have a weak surface.

There's always been plenty of murmurings around what you're alluding to. He did appear to transform himself almost overnight from a player who would toil to finish three sets and with a reputation for retiring 'injured' into a kind of relentless tennis cyborg.

Aside from that though I don't think he's the best ever. His game is relentlessly honed to force his opponent into mistakes, lacks any sort of flair and offers zero enjoyment factor. You'll never see a Djokovic shot on a shots of the day compilation. Even allowing for the age gap the way Alcaraz destroyed him exposed his limitations. He's had it relatively easy since Federer, Nadal and Murray lost their potency.

[DaveF]

There's always been plenty of murmurings around what you're alluding to. He did appear to transform himself almost overnight from a player who would toil to finish three sets and with a reputation for retiring 'injured' into a kind of relentless tennis cyborg.

Aside from that though I don't think he's the best ever. His game is relentlessly honed to force his opponent into mistakes, lacks any sort of flair and offers zero enjoyment factor. You'll never see a Djokovic shot on a shots of the day compilation. Even allowing for the age gap the way Alcaraz destroyed him exposed his limitations. He's had it relatively easy since Federer, Nadal and Murray lost their potency.

I know you dislike Djokovic but most of that is utter garbage. He has a tremendous range of shots - he simply would not win what he has without so.

Do you apply the same argument to Murray who was - in many games - attritional and defensive, grinding opponents down?

[JohnM1875]

There's always been plenty of murmurings around what you're alluding to. He did appear to transform himself almost overnight from a player who would toil to finish three sets and with a reputation for retiring 'injured' into a kind of relentless tennis cyborg.

Aside from that though I don't think he's the best ever. His game is relentlessly honed to force his opponent into mistakes, lacks any sort of flair and offers zero enjoyment factor. You'll never see a Djokovic shot on a shots of the day compilation. Even allowing for the age gap the way Alcaraz destroyed him exposed his limitations. He's had it relatively easy since Federer, Nadal and Murray lost their potency.

Completely agree that he's a weapon but couldn't disagree more about his tennis ability. One of the main reason he pisses me off so much is he makes shots that leave me thinking 'how the **** has he done that' he's (was now maybe) an absolute freak at shot making.

[He's here!]

I know you dislike Djokovic but most of that is utter garbage. He has a tremendous range of shots - he simply would not win what he has without so.

Do you apply the same argument to Murray who was - in many games - attritional and defensive, grinding opponents down?

I'm not disputing that whatever lay behind his transformation he honed an often unbeatably effective

[He's here!]

I know you dislike Djokovic but most of that is utter garbage. He has a tremendous range of shots - he simply would not win what he has without so.

Do you apply the same argument to Murray who was - in many games - attritional and defensive, grinding opponents down?

I'm not disputing that whatever lay behind his transformation he honed his game to an often unbeatably effective level. However, it's underpinned by forcing his opponent into an extra shot. Highly successful but compared to, say, the aesthetic grace of Federer and the swashbuckling bravado of Nadal in his pomp Djokovic's relentless, forcing style is one of several reasons the fans never warmed to him. I think you're wrong about Murray. Yes he could grind it out but he was also blessed with wonderful spontaineity and inventiveness. You'd never see Djokovic end up in the crowd after hitting a winner, while some of his lobs were ourageous.

Alcaraz looks, even at this stage, to be on a different level to all of them tho.

[DaveF]

I'm not disputing that whatever lay behind his transformation he honed his game to an often unbeatably effective level. However, it's underpinned by forcing his opponent into an extra shot. Highly successful but compared to, say, the aesthetic grace of Federer and the swashbuckling bravado of Nadal in his pomp Djokovic's relentless, forcing style is one of several reasons the fans never warmed to him. I think you're wrong about Murray. Yes he could grind it out but he was also blessed with wonderful spontaineity and inventiveness. You'd never see Djokovic end up in the crowd after hitting a winner, while some of his lobs were ourageous.

Alcaraz looks, even at this stage, to be on a different level to all of them tho.

I'm not wrong about Murray. I agree with you that he had great touch and range of skills but his main game was a defensive grind. Make the opponent play one more shot.

[He's here!]

I'm not wrong about Murray. I agree with you that he had great touch and range of skills but his main game was a defensive grind. Make the opponent play one more shot.

Yeh, I'm not disagreeing with that, just saying that I think he had more entertainment value to throw into the mix than Djokovic.

Looking forward to the Alcaraz/Sinner era which on early evidence could take tennis to another level entirely

[DaveF]

Yeh, I'm not disagreeing with that, just saying that I think he had more entertainment value to throw into the mix than Djokovic.

Looking forward to the Alcaraz/Sinner era which on early evidence could take tennis to another level entirely

For once 😃 no argument from me. The lob (and point overall) to win the Davis cup was a thing of beauty.

[He's here!]

For once 😃 no argument from me. The lob (and point overall) to win the Davis cup was a thing of beauty.

Aesthetically that was my favourite AM moment, though the sheer euphoria/unbridled relief of his first Wimbledon win was the pinnacle. For a straight sets win it was an agonising, exhausting watch. 2012 Olympic win was also great but he dominated Federer so thoroughly and the crowd seemed somehow much more upbeat than a Wimbledon crowd that it it was a far more joyous watch.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Retiring from professional tennis after The Olympics, it's been some journey. 👏

[Wilson]

Retiring from professional tennis after The Olympics, it's been some journey. 👏

He is some man. One of Scotland's best ever. It has been a long hard goodbye from him. But that doesn't detract from his legendary achievements. Retirement sounds like it could be his hardest struggle. I wish him well with it!

[He's here!]

Retiring from professional tennis after The Olympics, it's been some journey. 👏

Sounds like he may have to give the singles a miss but will play doubles with Dan Evans.

[McD]

Sounds like he may have to give the singles a miss but will play doubles with Dan Evans.

Thought I read he was doing both


Edit: he is https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/czq670864w6o

[CallumLaidlaw]

Thought I read he was doing both


Edit: he is https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/czq670864w6o

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I hadn’t seen that, that’s a shame if true

[He's here!]

Confirmed he's pulled out. As you say, a shame, but you could tell even in the doubles at Wimbledon he wasn't fully mobile. Hopefully he's in a better place to be competitive with Evans, but it's understandable he's come to understand that his body just won't take the punishment of top level singles any more.

[greenlex]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
https://x.com/andy_murray/status/1819115193148100944?s=46&t=fzRCiExZMJ_XTzru6wz0Fw

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Centre court at Queen’s to be renamed The Andy Murray Arena | STV News (https://news.stv.tv/sport/centre-court-at-queens-to-be-renamed-the-andy-murray-arena)

[Stairway 2 7]

Centre court at Queen’s to be renamed The Andy Murray Arena | STV News (https://news.stv.tv/sport/centre-court-at-queens-to-be-renamed-the-andy-murray-arena)

Should be Wimbledon. The pressure he had on him before winning there was immense, then to win gold on centre court too, magnificent. To finish a year world number one and win the ATP tour in a period with the best ever was amazing.

[He's here!]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
https://x.com/andy_murray/status/1819115193148100944?s=46&t=fzRCiExZMJ_XTzru6wz0Fw

He's a class act. Very dry sense of humour which some never really got.

Bows out as a legend of British sport. In my book the best ever, which is all the more remarkable considering his career at the top level was effectively cut short by seven years. Pretty sure he was world No 1 and reigning Wimbledon champion when his hip gave way.

[He's here!]

Should be Wimbledon. The pressure he had on him before winning there was immense, then to win gold on centre court too, magnificent. To finish a year world number one and win the ATP tour in a period with the best ever was amazing.

His record at Queen's was unparalleled so it makes sense and I'm sure Wimbledon will also pay tribute. A statue has been mooted. As you say those moments were some of the greatest ever in British sport.

What I think, though, does get overlooked is that UK sport did little to earn the kudos Andy's global success brought them. It was only by moving to Spain at 15 that he became the player he did. I'm not sure enough effort has been made here to build on that legacy.

[He's here!]

Phenomenal performance by Andy's Olympic doubles partner Dan Evans at the US Open. 4-0 down in the fifth set yet comes back to win in 5 hours and 35 minutes!

[He's here!]

Alcaraz and Djokovic both crash out of the US Open in the early rounds. Maybe Andy should have stuck around ;-)

Seriously, Sinner must be confident he can add to his Slam tally.

[Trinity Hibee]

Alcaraz and Djokovic both crash out of the US Open in the early rounds. Maybe Andy should have stuck around ;-)

Seriously, Sinner must be confident he can add to his Slam tally.

Medvedev could still win it

[hibeg]

Medvedev could still win it

Jack Draper with decent chance to reach q/f today.

Sinner looks very good overall

[hibeg]

Wow, Draper easily wins. Impressive !

[He's here!]

Wow, Draper easily wins. Impressive !

Yep, he looked the real deal.

[He's here!]

Draper storms into the semi-finals. That's a cracking win over De Minaur in straight sets.

[JimBHibees]

Draper was excellent not sure i see him going further however definitely has a chance. His serve and general play has been brilliant

[He's here!]

Draper was excellent not sure i see him going further however definitely has a chance. His serve and general play has been brilliant

Think he's been a bit under the radar due to lengthy injuries, but he definitely looks like he's capable of big things.

Scotland's Charlie Robertson into the last eight of the US Open Juniors. Mentored by Andy Murray.

[hibeg]

I think Sinner will win the tournament but Draper has been brilliant so far and will only improve

Top ten player next season I would reckon

[Sloop67]

I'm out it of breath just watching Draper v Sinner

[He's here!]

I'm out it of breath just watching Draper v Sinner

Shades of a young Andy Murray, who used to be sick quite often on court until he built himself up to the level needed to compete consistently in the latter stages of Slams. Draper actually played very well despite the fact he must have been feeling horrendous. His time will come.

[Sloop67]

Shades of a young Andy Murray, who used to be sick quite often on court until he built himself up to the level needed to compete consistently in the latter stages of Slams. Draper actually played very well despite the fact he must have been feeling horrendous. His time will come.


Yup , He certainly didn't give Sinner the game

[greenlex]

Murray playing golf in the pro am prior to the BMW at Wentworth next week alongside Bob McIntyre. Be interesting to see his standard.

[Wilson]

Murray playing golf in the pro am prior to the BMW at Wentworth next week alongside Bob McIntyre. Be interesting to see his standard.

Bob is pretty good.

[Scouse Hibee]

Bob is pretty good.

👍😂

[He's here!]

https://www.skysports.com/golf/video/30998/13217305/andy-murray-smokes-driver-on-opening-tee-at-wentworth

Quite odd watching him play a sport other than tennis...looks like he could be pretty useful at golf though.

[greenlex]

https://www.skysports.com/golf/video/30998/13217305/andy-murray-smokes-driver-on-opening-tee-at-wentworth

Quite odd watching him play a sport other than tennis...looks like he could be pretty useful at golf though.
Lovely makeshift Hibs tap on tae. :thumbsup:

[Golden Bear]

Lovely makeshift Hibs tap on tae. :thumbsup:

It was. I bet there was plenty of Hibs chat on the way round.

😁

[patch1875]

Could have tucked it in :-)