Will we make top 6?

[andrew_dundee]

I certainly hope so, but it's difficult to see.

We are just as likely to drop points to Rangers as Dundee are and our other games are basically the same except they have Aberdeen.

If we miss out by a point or two it's partially down to unexpected and unjustified refereeing.

Not sure how it would change my view on Monty as I like what he's done and there have been huge improvements over recent weeks. I like what his changes to the midfield and would like him to have the chance to do more.

Hopefully we get at least 6 points from remaining matches (highly possible) and Dundee have a horrible run.

[neil7908]

Yes

[Itsnoteasy]

Who knows

[WeeRussell]

I disagree that it’s difficult to see. More likely than not given the current positions for me.

[HoboHarry]

Who knows

Mystic Meg?

[California-Hibs]

It's definitely in our favor with the fixtures. Rangers will beat Dundee when that game comes around. That leaves them with.....

St Johnstone Away

Motherwell Home

Aberdeen Away

We're already 2 ahead and as I say they'll get beat against Rangers. So the most I see them getting out those fixtures is 4, at a big push 5. 1 Point away to St Johnstone, 3 points against Motherwell, 1 against Aberdeen, that's best case scenario for them. That would in theory have them 3 points ahead.... but we have the better goal difference.

We're got...

Rangers Away

St Johnstone Home

Motherwell Away

We'll beat St Johnstone and draw against Motherwell. Even if we get beat against Motherwell, beating St Johnstone will be enough to get us top 6.

We're in the much much better position here.

[Donegal Hibby]

It's definitely in our favor with the fixtures. Rangers will beat Dundee when that game comes around. That leaves them with.....

St Johnstone Away

Motherwell Home

Aberdeen Away

We're already 2 ahead and as I say they'll get beat against Rangers. So the most I see them getting out those fixtures is 4, at a big push 5. 1 Point away to St Johnstone, 3 points against Motherwell, 1 against Aberdeen, that's best case scenario for them. That would in theory have them 3 points ahead.... but we have the better goal difference.

We're got...

Rangers Away

St Johnstone Home

Motherwell Away

We'll beat St Johnstone and draw against Motherwell. Even if we get beat against Motherwell, beating St Johnstone will be enough to get us top 6.

We're in the much much better position here.

You'd expect Sevco will beat Dundee . Going by we won't get anything at Ibrox , their game against St Johnstone is the one that will tell us who has the advantage going into the last two games before the split. A win for Dundee and we are relying on other teams to do us a favour .

A saints win would be great though a draw equally as good as it would be in our owns hands then . I think we will beat St Johnstone and if Aberdeen can beat Motherwell there then we certainly can too .

[B.H.F.C]

I disagree that it’s difficult to see. More likely than not given the current positions for me.

I cannae believe anyone really thinks it’s difficult to see!

Don’t see us getting anything at Ibrox but should pick up a decent number of points from the other two games. We‘ve been playing well.

[Centre Hawf]

I certainly hope so, but it's difficult to see.

We are just as likely to drop points to Rangers as Dundee are and our other games are basically the same except they have Aberdeen.

If we miss out by a point or two it's partially down to unexpected and unjustified refereeing.

Not sure how it would change my view on Monty as I like what he's done and there have been huge improvements over recent weeks. I like what his changes to the midfield and would like him to have the chance to do more.

Hopefully we get at least 6 points from remaining matches (highly possible) and Dundee have a horrible run.

As much as the officials have been rank rotten for us, I'm not going to let anyone hide behind it if we fail to make top 6. It's down to us dropping stupid points from winning positions, going on winless runs lasting multiple months at a time, and ultimately being unable to stop conceding stupid goals.

That being said, I do for some weird reason believe we'll make top 6. I've written off the Rangers game up next as I usually do but after that I think we'll pick up maximum points from Motherwell/St Johnstone. I'm not so sure Dundee will pick up the 9 points from their remaining 4 games needed to make up that difference if we can put just two wins together.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's definitely in our favor with the fixtures. Rangers will beat Dundee when that game comes around. That leaves them with.....

St Johnstone Away

Motherwell Home

Aberdeen Away

We're already 2 ahead and as I say they'll get beat against Rangers. So the most I see them getting out those fixtures is 4, at a big push 5. 1 Point away to St Johnstone, 3 points against Motherwell, 1 against Aberdeen, that's best case scenario for them. That would in theory have them 3 points ahead.... but we have the better goal difference.

We're got...

Rangers Away

St Johnstone Home

Motherwell Away

We'll beat St Johnstone and draw against Motherwell. Even if we get beat against Motherwell, beating St Johnstone will be enough to get us top 6.

We're in the much much better position here.

Think you’re being a bit harsh on Dundee there. 1 win from 4 is absolutely not there best case scenario imo.

I do agree we should probably be slight favourites but I think it’ll take at least 4 points for us, potentially 6. 6 or 7 points for Dundee is far from unrealistic.

[Trinity Hibee]

Yes

[Donegal Hibby]

As much as the officials have been rank rotten for us, I'm not going to let anyone hide behind it if we fail to make top 6. It's down to us dropping stupid points from winning positions, going on winless runs lasting multiple months at a time, and ultimately being unable to stop conceding stupid goals.

That being said, I do for some weird reason believe we'll make top 6. I've written off the Rangers game up next as I usually do but after that I think we'll pick up maximum points from Motherwell/St Johnstone. I'm not so sure Dundee will pick up the 9 points from their remaining 4 games needed to make up that difference if we can put just two wins together.

It as been down to us especially in a few games were we have been 2-0 up only to draw though if we were only talking about a point or two dropped to bad decisions I wouldn't be that bothered ( anyone can make a mistake after all ) though it's not , we have probably lost the guts of around 12 points this season which is massive and it shouldn't be brushed under the carpet either . That has also had a major bearing on things as well as poor performances too .

[JeMeSouviens]

I cannae believe anyone really thinks it’s difficult to see!

Don’t see us getting anything at Ibrox but should pick up a decent number of points from the other two games. We‘ve been playing well.

We're favourites but it's not beyond Dundee to get a couple of wins out of those 3 games.

[Centre Hawf]

It as been down to us especially in a few games were we have been 2-0 up only to draw though if we were only talking about a point or two dropped to bad decisions I wouldn't be that bothered ( anyone can make a mistake after all ) though it's not , we have probably lost the guts of around 12 points this season which is massive and it shouldn't be brushed under the carpet either . That has also had a major bearing on things as well as poor performances too .

I don't really disagree with you that the decisions especially over the last couple of months shouldn't be brushed under the carpet and a real inquest on the ineptitude of the officials needs to happen. But I do think we're a bit blinkered that it only happens to us with some big recency bias, there will be plenty of other times teams around us were robbed out of the opportunity to turn 1 point into 3 here and there and while someone may be able to point to us having more bad decisions than others I just personally won't accept it as an excuse for failure from people at the club.

[VoltaireHibs]

We're favourites but it's not beyond Dundee to get a couple of wins out of those 3 games.

See Owen Beck is injured an away back to Liverpool for 6 weeks. That won't hurt us.

[McGruber]

Motherwell are still in the equation given they will be looking at turning us over at Fir Park. They win their 3 last games it's theirs. I guess that's at least in our hands though. We need to be taking 6 points I think. We won't get any more than 44 points so we are relying not only on picking up 2 wins from 3 but hoping Dundee are incapable of beating St J and Aberdeen - 2 of this seasons honking teams.

I think St Mirren have hit a dip so Motherwell be looking to win that at home - then we are all hoping Dundee drop points against Motherwell. We could be celebrating Dundee getting beat by Motherwell which would set up winner take all at Fir Park with them having momentum.

Loads of permutations but I'll say this.

Hibs - 44 pts

Rangers - 0
St Johnstone - 3
Motherwell -3


Dundee - 41 pts

Rangers - 0
St Johnstone - 1
Motherwell - 3
Aberdeen - 1

[JimBHibees]

As much as the officials have been rank rotten for us, I'm not going to let anyone hide behind it if we fail to make top 6. It's down to us dropping stupid points from winning positions, going on winless runs lasting multiple months at a time, and ultimately being unable to stop conceding stupid goals.

That being said, I do for some weird reason believe we'll make top 6. I've written off the Rangers game up next as I usually do but after that I think we'll pick up maximum points from Motherwell/St Johnstone. I'm not so sure Dundee will pick up the 9 points from their remaining 4 games needed to make up that difference if we can put just two wins together.

To say the decisions which have cost us likely more than 6 points aren’t a factor isn’t fair because they are as relevant as any other factor in results and league position.

[JimBHibees]

Motherwell are still in the equation given they will be looking at turning us over at Fir Park. They win their 3 last games it's theirs. I guess that's at least in our hands though. We need to be taking 6 points I think. We won't get any more than 44 points so we are relying not only on picking up 2 wins from 3 but hoping Dundee are incapable of beating St J and Aberdeen - 2 of this seasons honking teams.

I think St Mirren have hit a dip so Motherwell be looking to win that at home - then we are all hoping Dundee drop points against Motherwell. We could be celebrating Dundee getting beat by Motherwell which would set up winner take all at Fir Park with them having momentum.

Loads of permutations but I'll say this.

Hibs - 44 pts

Rangers - 0
St Johnstone - 3
Motherwell -3


Dundee - 41 pts

Rangers - 0
St Johnstone - 1
Motherwell - 3
Aberdeen - 1

Yes Motherwell are still in it and they were unlucky v Aberdeen decision wise.

[KeithTheHibby]

By the time we play Motherwell they will be confirmed bottom 6. I don't fancy Dundee getting much at St J given their predicament. At the same time we need to play them however we are at home so expect us to win that game.

Quietly confident top 6 will be assured and I am looking at the teams above.

[eastterrace]

How about st.mirren not getting another point from there 3 games left. Then we would just need 4 points from 3 games to finish above them.

[Hibbyradge]

We're capable of beating anyone.

We're capable of losing to anyone.

Top 6 is not in our own hands and Dundee have been playing well.

I certainly wouldn't be betting on us.

[The Modfather]

If we miss out by a point or two it’s also worth noting that we were playing catch up from the day Montgomery arrived having lost 3 of our first 4 games from favourable fixtures. If performances keep going as they have since the January recruitment, and we still miss out, I think it would be reductive to harp back to the pre January squad that would have ultimately cost us top 6 when the post January trajectory is pointing towards competing at the right end, especially with the benefit of a summer transfer window and a pre season, over the course of a full season.

[Centre Hawf]

To say the decisions which have cost us likely more than 6 points aren’t a factor isn’t fair because they are as relevant as any other factor in results and league position.

I think it's a convenient excuse to be honest.

Did they have some impact? It's not hard to fathom they probably did, but it's impossible to know what would have happened if we get that penalty at Pittodrie or that lot don't get theirs at Tynecastle for example. Maybe we have 4 more points on the board or maybe we ended up getting less than we actually did. My issue with those decisions isn't as much points on the board its more anger at inept officiating ruining games of football.

What we can only judge and quantify is how many points we did pick up and how many we let go through out own poor displays, and that's what I'll be looking at come the end of the season.

[Paul1642]

Well and truly in our hands. Can rule out anything against rangers, even if we play well the officials will see to that. That means beating St Johnstone and Motherwell to take 6 points. Relying on Dundee dropping points however I can’t see them taking more than 6 from their fixtures. I actually think 6 points could see us enter the split ahead of St Mirren.

[JeMeSouviens]

Well and truly in our hands. Can rule out anything against rangers, even if we play well the officials will see to that. That means beating St Johnstone and Motherwell to take 6 points. Relying on Dundee dropping points however I can’t see them taking more than 6 from their fixtures. I actually think 6 points could see us enter the split ahead of St Mirren.

It literally isn't :confused:

[Dashing Bob S]

We're capable of beating anyone.

We're capable of losing to anyone.

Top 6 is not in our own hands and Dundee have been playing well.

I certainly wouldn't be betting on us.

I fancy us but certainly wouldn’t put money on it. We could lose all those games and win them, as could Dundee. It’s that stage of the season where the odd weird result pops up.

I’m actually quite excited about it.

If we do make the cut I’d fancy us to pass St Mirren, probably not Killie, but you never know.

[hibsbollah]

Dinny ken

[WeeRussell]

Dinny ken

Refreshingly honest 😁

[WhileTheChief..]

Does it really matter?

The derby is all we'd really be missing out on, and a few quid.

Unless we somehow have a storming post-split run and sneak 4th :greengrin

[WeeRussell]

Does it really matter?

To some it’s the difference and only indicator as to whether we should sack our manager or not.

And of course it matters..

[Paul1642]

It literally isn't :confused:

Point taken. Mathematically it’s technically out of our hands but we have 9 points up for grabs. If come April 14th 47 points wouldn’t have gotten us in the top 6 drop I’ll be beyond surprised.

I still think 6 will do the job.

[JeMeSouviens]

Point taken. Mathematically it’s technically out of our hands but we have 9 points up for grabs. If come April 14th 47 points wouldn’t have gotten us in the top 6 drop I’ll be beyond surprised.

I still think 6 will do the job.

Agreed :agree:

[JeMeSouviens]

Does it really matter?

The derby is all we'd really be missing out on, and a few quid.

Unless we somehow have a storming post-split run and sneak 4th :greengrin

Given it's a home derby, quite a lot of quid to be fair.

[Greensunshine]

I wouldn’t put money on us finishing top six but we do have a bit of momentum.
There’s plenty positives when you look at our players individually.

Most of them have hit a bit of form and our defence has improved.

It’s going to be a close call but one thing I would say is that it’s unacceptable for a club this size to be finishing bottom six.

[Paul1642]

Does it really matter?

The derby is all we'd really be missing out on, and a few quid.

Unless we somehow have a storming post-split run and sneak 4th :greengrin

5th will likely get European football which is the ultimate goal. Take 6 points before the split and it wouldn’t surprise we if we are sat in 5th at the split,

[WhileTheChief..]

5th will likely get European football which is the ultimate goal. Take 6 points before the split and it wouldn’t surprise we if we are sat in 5th at the split,

Would be an amazing end to the season if we can qualify for Europe.

If we can take the 6 points you mention, at least the fight will be on.

[greenlex]

One thing that should be a given is if we don’t make top six Montgomery has to go. That is a minimum and with the window we’ve just had and the fixtures we’ve had since not making top six is a failure. I think we will make it and kick on post split.

[My old man]

St Mirren have a really tricky run in and could potentially get nowt
So I believe we will

GG2TH

[Coach Jon]

St Mirren have a really tricky run in and could potentially get nowt
So I believe we will

GG2TH

The thread is will we make top 6 mate. We are up against Dundee surely?

[Paul1642]

The thread is will we make top 6 mate. We are up against Dundee surely?

Not necessarily. Take 6 points and I think we have equal chance to come above Dundee, St Mirren or both (at time of split)

[Liberal Hibby]

We're capable of beating anyone.

We're capable of losing to anyone.

Top 6 is not in our own hands and Dundee have been playing well.

I certainly wouldn't be betting on us.

That's how I see it too.

Don't get this Dundee will only get 4 points - they could easily get 9 or 10 (less likely now their home game v Sevco has been postponed).

We really needed the two points we dropped v Ross County last week.

[percy veer]

Does it really matter?

The derby is all we'd really be missing out on, and a few quid.

Unless we somehow have a storming post-split run and sneak 4th :greengrin


i hope rangers are still in with a chance of winning the tittle and they play us at easter road last game of season, id give them no tickets and watch the seeth

[Kato]

One thing that should be a given is if we don’t make top six Montgomery has to go. That is a minimum and with the window we’ve just had and the fixtures we’ve had since not making top six is a failure. I think we will make it and kick on post split.When we were relegated under Alex Mcleish would you have sacked him?

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[MrSmith]

When we were relegated under Alex Mcleish would you have sacked him?

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From memory, we were already relegated when AM took over or close to it at the very least.

[Kato]

From memory, we were already relegated when AM took over or close to it at the very least.

We weren't relegated. It came down to the last fixture which we lost to Dundee Utd at home. Top 6 this season may go down to the last fixture before the split. Would you sack NM if we lost out?

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[greenlex]

When we were relegated under Alex Mcleish would you have sacked him?

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How long would he have been given?

[CB Hibs 68]

Neither Hibs or Dundee will beat Rangers so it all boils down to the remaining games before the split.Hibs should beat St J .Dundee are away to St J and home to Motherwell before the last fixture before the split..Not easy games for Dundee but give them 4 points.Down to the last game and Dundee are up in Aberdeen and we are away to Well.I think the Dons will beat Dundee and let’s hope Hibs get the result we need .Simple

[Kato]

How long would he have been given?I don't understand your question.

Into days climate some fans (who apparently know everything about tactics although they don't work with the players every day) would have torn him down piece by piece.

McLeish was a great man manager, an aspect more important than having tactical nous imho - that can come supplementally.

He learned a bit on the job, his season with Motherwell, the latter part of the first/relegation season with Hibs and then in the first division.

He lucked out a bit first by being chosen as a EUFA observer, taking tactical notes on Portugal in the World Cup in 1998, where he picked up on the 352 formation then again where injury to McIntosh forced him to move Sauzee to the middle of the back three, where he played for Hibs thereafter. Sacking him after the relegation would have been idiotic because, as I have pointed out, he was a cracking man manager who then slowly came across a tactical set-up which worked L.f.

Would you have sacked him after the relegation?

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[greenlex]

I don't understand your question.

Into days climate some fans (who apparently know everything about tactics although they don't work with the players every day) would have torn him down piece by piece.

McLeish was a great man manager, an aspect more important than having tactical nous imho - that can come supplementally.

He learned a bit on the job, his season with Motherwell, the latter part of the first/relegation season with Hibs and then in the first division.

He lucked out a bit first by being chosen as a EUFA observer, taking tactical notes on Portugal in the World Cup in 1998, where he picked up on the 352 formation then again where injury to McIntosh forced him to move Sauzee to the middle of the back three, where he played for Hibs thereafter. Sacking him after the relegation would have been idiotic because, as I have pointed out, he was a cracking man manager who then slowly came across a tactical set-up which worked L.f.

Would you have sacked him after the relegation?

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The question is simple enough. If we had sacked him after relegation how long long would he have been in charge? I think they are totally different situations.and not really comparable.

[Kato]

The question is simple enough. If we had sacked him after relegation how long long would he have been in charge? I think they are totally different situations.and not really comparable.He would have been in charge four months.

Maybe it doesn't suit you to see the comparison as valid, fair enough.

I reckon it's perfectly valid and in the modern culture, where the internet is way more pervasive than in 1998, McLeish would have a whole host of fans tearing strips off him including minor gripes being amplified way above their importance and lambasting him for the failures of others.

There's a lack of patience around NM, some people wanted him out months ago even though there's obvious signs of learning and is on a bit of an up people are scared of their opinion being proved wrong (a known internet trait) and are picking on anything from his manner of speech to perceived tactical mistakes.

I think we'd be getting rid of a good man manager, who don't grow on trees, and who is learning about this godforsaken footballing backwater pretty quickly.

You're perfectly entitled to your opinion re the comparison but you've moved from "we were relegated anyway" to picking out an arbitrary length of time. Not washing here I'm afraid.


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[JimBHibees]

By the time we play Motherwell they will be confirmed bottom 6. I don't fancy Dundee getting much at St J given their predicament. At the same time we need to play them however we are at home so expect us to win that game.

Quietly confident top 6 will be assured and I am looking at the teams above.

Think Dundee are a better team than St Johnstone and will win there.

[JimBHibees]

One thing that should be a given is if we don’t make top six Montgomery has to go. That is a minimum and with the window we’ve just had and the fixtures we’ve had since not making top six is a failure. I think we will make it and kick on post split.

Would disagree with that though sure many will see your view. Think all things considered he should stay until next season

[Centre Hawf]

He would have been in charge four months.

Maybe it doesn't suit you to see the comparison as valid, fair enough.

I reckon it's perfectly valid and in the modern culture, where the internet is way more pervasive than in 1998, McLeish would have a whole host of fans tearing strips off him including minor gripes being amplified way above their importance and lambasting him for the failures of others.

There's a lack of patience around NM, some people wanted him out months ago even though there's obvious signs of learning and is on a bit of an up people are scared of their opinion being proved wrong (a known internet trait) and are picking on anything from his manner of speech to perceived tactical mistakes.

I think we'd be getting rid of a good man manager, who don't grow on trees, and who is learning about this godforsaken footballing backwater pretty quickly.

You're perfectly entitled to your opinion re the comparison but you've moved from "we were relegated anyway" to picking out an arbitrary length of time. Not washing here I'm afraid.


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McLeish took over at a point where the writing was already firmly on the wall with not much time to change it. Montgomery has had the vast bulk of this campaign and only missed about 4 league games if I recall correctly?

Making the point out McLeish doesn’t really mean much if you consider the same question can be asked of Butcher, should we have kept him and backed him for the 2014/15 season to get us back up? The answer is obviously no but some at the time were adamant he not be sacked at any point in the run up to us actually getting relegated and I bet he still had one or two supporters even after it that probably pretend they weren’t.

[Kato]

McLeish took over at a point where the writing was already firmly on the wall with not much time to change it. Montgomery has had the vast bulk of this campaign and only missed about 4 league games if I recall correctly?

Making the point out McLeish doesn’t really mean much if you consider the same question can be asked of Butcher, should we have kept him and backed him for the 2014/15 season to get us back up? The answer is obviously no but some at the time were adamant he not be sacked at any point in the run up to us actually getting relegated and I bet he still had one or two supporters even after it that probably pretend they weren’t.Ok. Let's say that's correct.

Do you think there would have been a group of Hibs calling for McLeish to be sacked given the lack of patience these days? Some were calling for NM to be sacked by at least new year of not before.

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[Hibernian Verse]

Ok. Let's say that's correct.

Do you think there would have been a group of Hibs calling for McLeish to be sacked given the lack of patience these days? Some were calling for NM to be sacked by at least new year of not before.

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You could easily list the short and noisy line of posters already.

[B.H.F.C]

Ok. Let's say that's correct.

Do you think there would have been a group of Hibs calling for McLeish to be sacked given the lack of patience these days? Some were calling for NM to be sacked by at least new year of not before.

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After winning 2 out of 12 leading up to relegation coupled with winning 2 out of his first 6 in the First Division, including a home loss to Stranraer, he be getting chased at that point!

Even in the first year back up, finishing 6th in a 10 team league, with a team including Sauzee, Latapy and Mixu would draw a certain level of criticism.

[Kato]

After winning 2 out of 12 leading up to relegation coupled with winning 2 out of his first 6 in the First Division, including a home loss to Stranraer, he be getting chased at that point!

Correct. I was around on hibs.net then (have been since Gregor and Stuart opened the door) and people were raging at him. Soon died down though.


Even in the first year back up, finishing 6th in a 10 team league, with a team including Sauzee, Latapy and Mixu would draw a certain level of criticism.

Some fans blank out that first season back which includes a 0-4 against Killie.
He insisted on playing Sauzee in midfield where he would often have to come off after 60-70 minutes leaving us fragile. Only a stroke of bad luck for McIntosh saw him move Sauzee back into a three (good luck for us) then we looked way more balanced.

My opinion, which isn't all that important to me that I'll dig my heels in for ever more, is that we have a great man manager who has made mistakes but is learning quickly, (much like McLeish) he's also had some horrendous officiating which has nibbled away at our points total and probably done us out of a LC final place. He's worth holding onto. It's a gamble but every signing and managerial appointment is a gamble.


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[Since452]

It's unfortunate we have to go to Ibrox. On paper Dundee have the easiest of the remaining games and a free hit at Rangers at home.

[Dashing Bob S]

Even one point for St Mirren in their last three (M’Well a, Hearts h, Celtic a) will make it difficult for us to pass them. Think it’ll be tough, but possible, to pass Dundee. If we do pass Dundee we will beat St Mirren into 5th. Taking out Killie for 4th would be a big ask.

[WeeRussell]

Even one point for St Mirren in their last three (M’Well a, Hearts h, Celtic a) will make it difficult for us to pass them. Think it’ll be tough, but possible, to pass Dundee. If we do pass Dundee we will beat St Mirren into 5th. Taking out Killie for 4th would be a big ask.

We’ve already passed Dundee?

[Hibernian Verse]

Even one point for St Mirren in their last three (M’Well a, Hearts h, Celtic a) will make it difficult for us to pass them. Think it’ll be tough, but possible, to pass Dundee. If we do pass Dundee we will beat St Mirren into 5th. Taking out Killie for 4th would be a big ask.

Have you seen the league table recently? :greengrin

[theonlywayisup]

Should we be ignoring Motherwell. They've won two games on the bounce until they were unfairly treated against Aberdeen. They have to play both Dundee and Hibs and if they win both, they will be on the same points as us. Obviously, we have home to St Johnstone, whilst they have home to St. Mirren, but it might come down to goal difference.

[JohnM1875]

Should we be ignoring Motherwell. They've won two games on the bounce until they were unfairly treated against Aberdeen. They have to play both Dundee and Hibs and if they win both, they will be on the same points as us. Obviously, we have home to St Johnstone, whilst they have home to St. Mirren, but it might come down to goal difference.

Motherwell are six points behind us with three games to play. No chance they'll catch us before the split. They haven't won three games in a row all season. In fact, out with us, Celtic, Rangers and Hearts there won't be many teams in the league that have won three in a row.

[King Cosell]

Dundee/Rangers rearranged for April 10th, they'll have their final game v Aberdeen (away) 3 days later. Big advantage for us.

[Garymcl]

Confident we’ll get at least sixth spot (nothing to celebrate I know) confidence is in way were playing just now really enjoying some of the football we’re playing maybe even scramble a European spot somehow ,let’s get right behind the team and hopefully a good end to the season ,and then we hopefully with the Bill Foley investment in the playing side have a successful 2024/25 season canny wait ggtth

[lyonhibs]

The question is simple enough. If we had sacked him after relegation how long long would he have been in charge? I think they are totally different situations.and not really comparable.

Exactly. Comparing apples and oranges.

If Monty does not get top 6, he should go. I think however the board's pride in their own man after the LJ disaster would prevent that from happening.

[Cabbage-Patch]

3 games until the split this is how I see it going.

Rangers away - Battered...can't see anything else happening. If we can keep it respectable fair enough.

St Johnstone - Home - Narrow win, Potter will make it difficult as you know he will but think we should have enough.

Motherwell away - Draw

4 points...

I think Dundee will get 6points from Thier remaining 4 games so looks like it may come down to goal difference Which should see just scrape into the top 6 imo

[CentreLine]

It’s a sad reflection on the season and on the fortunes of our once great club that we are debating whether we can get in to the top six places in Scottish football. Unfortunately, that’s the reality we have come to and that’s not just over a short period.

Going forward from here, I sincerely hope our future threads are debated on how far we are going in Europe. Or how did we have to settle for third.

When the very small version of me started going to ER in the sixties, my older cousin, who took us, and the punters round about, were still waxing lyrical about The Famous Five and Joe Baker having left too soon. Or how was it possible that these players had not brought the cup back to ER.

Then we had the, all too short period, when the tactical genius that was Eddie Turnbull took Willie McFarlane’s side, added two players and we reached some to dizzy heights of expectation. After that we have had lots of failure but brief moments of joy to keep us coming back.

How did we get to the stage of being content scraping in to the top six? Our club season tickets promotion this year is all about generations. It’s TIME Hibs, to have a generation of consistent and prolonged success. This season is already a failure. Let it be the last for a long time.

[Victor]

It’s a sad reflection on the season and on the fortunes of our once great club that we are debating whether we can get in to the top six places in Scottish football. Unfortunately, that’s the reality we have come to and that’s not just over a short period.

Going forward from here, I sincerely hope our future threads are debated on how far we are going in Europe. Or how did we have to settle for third.

When the very small version of me started going to ER in the sixties, my older cousin, who took us, and the punters round about, were still waxing lyrical about The Famous Five and Joe Baker having left too soon. Or how was it possible that these players had not brought the cup back to ER.

Then we had the, all too short period, when the tactical genius that was Eddie Turnbull took Willie McFarlane’s side, added two players and we reached some to dizzy heights of expectation. After that we have had lots of failure but brief moments of joy to keep us coming back.

How did we get to the stage of being content scraping in to the top six? Our club season tickets promotion this year is all about generations. It’s TIME Hibs, to have a generation of consistent and prolonged success. This season is already a failure. Let it be the last for a long time.

Well done, you have put into words, what the majority of us probably feel. It won’t stop us supporting the Club, but surely it’s time for something better.

[B.H.F.C]

It’s a sad reflection on the season and on the fortunes of our once great club that we are debating whether we can get in to the top six places in Scottish football. Unfortunately, that’s the reality we have come to and that’s not just over a short period.

Going forward from here, I sincerely hope our future threads are debated on how far we are going in Europe. Or how did we have to settle for third.

When the very small version of me started going to ER in the sixties, my older cousin, who took us, and the punters round about, were still waxing lyrical about The Famous Five and Joe Baker having left too soon. Or how was it possible that these players had not brought the cup back to ER.

Then we had the, all too short period, when the tactical genius that was Eddie Turnbull took Willie McFarlane’s side, added two players and we reached some to dizzy heights of expectation. After that we have had lots of failure but brief moments of joy to keep us coming back.

How did we get to the stage of being content scraping in to the top six? Our club season tickets promotion this year is all about generations. It’s TIME Hibs, to have a generation of consistent and prolonged success. This season is already a failure. Let it be the last for a long time.

Are we content with scraping top six?

Every manager we have is under massive pressure these days. A manager who finished third got the bullet a few months later. A manager who finished fifth got the bullet a few months later.

I’d also disagree that the season is a failure……..it’s not at that stage quite yet. We still have an opportunity to qualify for Europe via the league which would represent some form of success in the end.

[greenlex]

It’s a sad reflection on the season and on the fortunes of our once great club that we are debating whether we can get in to the top six places in Scottish football. Unfortunately, that’s the reality we have come to and that’s not just over a short period.

Going forward from here, I sincerely hope our future threads are debated on how far we are going in Europe. Or how did we have to settle for third.

When the very small version of me started going to ER in the sixties, my older cousin, who took us, and the punters round about, were still waxing lyrical about The Famous Five and Joe Baker having left too soon. Or how was it possible that these players had not brought the cup back to ER.

Then we had the, all too short period, when the tactical genius that was Eddie Turnbull took Willie McFarlane’s side, added two players and we reached some to dizzy heights of expectation. After that we have had lots of failure but brief moments of joy to keep us coming back.

How did we get to the stage of being content scraping in to the top six? Our club season tickets promotion this year is all about generations. It’s TIME Hibs, to have a generation of consistent and prolonged success. This season is already a failure. Let it be the last for a long time.
I’m not sure anyone is content with top six but for me that has to be a minimum requirement. From where we were and looked like heading it has to be seen as a short term goal. Get top six and then gun for a higher place and see where we get to.

[hibsbollah]

It’s a sad reflection on the season and on the fortunes of our once great club that we are debating whether we can get in to the top six places in Scottish football. Unfortunately, that’s the reality we have come to and that’s not just over a short period.

Going forward from here, I sincerely hope our future threads are debated on how far we are going in Europe. Or how did we have to settle for third.

When the very small version of me started going to ER in the sixties, my older cousin, who took us, and the punters round about, were still waxing lyrical about The Famous Five and Joe Baker having left too soon. Or how was it possible that these players had not brought the cup back to ER.

Then we had the, all too short period, when the tactical genius that was Eddie Turnbull took Willie McFarlane’s side, added two players and we reached some to dizzy heights of expectation. After that we have had lots of failure but brief moments of joy to keep us coming back.

How did we get to the stage of being content scraping in to the top six? Our club season tickets promotion this year is all about generations. It’s TIME Hibs, to have a generation of consistent and prolonged success. This season is already a failure. Let it be the last for a long time.

No-ones content with top six. But because of the position we're in its a relevant conversation because of the financial implications. A euro run or cup run in future years is a bit harder without the cash generated by another round of derby and OF games and league position prize money the year before.

[Trinity Hibee]

Something to aim for is not playing the league cup group stages so we need at least 5th to achieve that

[JeMeSouviens]

No-ones content with top six. But because of the position we're in its a relevant conversation because of the financial implications. A euro run or cup run in future years is a bit harder without the cash generated by another round of derby and OF games and league position prize money the year before.

Agree with this and would add it's not just the financial implications. If we can finish the season at least semi-strongly with NM and the team feeling a bit of positive momentum then there's something to build on. The alternative is we spend the summer debating him getting binned and he starts next season under pressure with a split sceptical support.

[worcesterhibby]

It’s a sad reflection on the season and on the fortunes of our once great club that we are debating whether we can get in to the top six places in Scottish football. Unfortunately, that’s the reality we have come to and that’s not just over a short period.

Going forward from here, I sincerely hope our future threads are debated on how far we are going in Europe. Or how did we have to settle for third.

When the very small version of me started going to ER in the sixties, my older cousin, who took us, and the punters round about, were still waxing lyrical about The Famous Five and Joe Baker having left too soon. Or how was it possible that these players had not brought the cup back to ER.

Then we had the, all too short period, when the tactical genius that was Eddie Turnbull took Willie McFarlane’s side, added two players and we reached some to dizzy heights of expectation. After that we have had lots of failure but brief moments of joy to keep us coming back.

How did we get to the stage of being content scraping in to the top six? Our club season tickets promotion this year is all about generations. It’s TIME Hibs, to have a generation of consistent and prolonged success. This season is already a failure. Let it be the last for a long time.

To be fair you have a very selective memory about our "Once Great Club". You said you started going to see Hibs in the 1960's and everyone was still waxing lyrical about the Famous Five. Just for the sake of accurate History, let's take a look at "Our Once Great Club's" league positions in the 1960's when you started watching.

season 56/57 - 9th
season 57/58 - 9th
season 58/59 - 10th
season 59/60 - 7th
season 60/61 - 8th
season 61/62 - 8th
season 62/63 - 16th !!!!!
season 63/64 - 10th
season 64/65 - 4th (YAYYYY TOP 6 !!!!)
season 65/66 - 6th
season 66/67 - 5th
season 67/68 - 3rd (Now we are motoring)
season 68/69 - 12th (ohhh pants)

So during the 13 years between 1956 and 1969 we acheived top 6 (in an easier league with 18 teams in it and only having to play the best teams twice) on just 4 occasions.

I love the history of our club and while I don't personally remember the Famous 5 or even Turnbulls tornadoes as I didn't start going to matches till the early 80's, I very much respect their legacy and have humbly asked for both Pat Stanton and Lawrie Reilly's autograph as a grown man. However our "Once Great Club" has always had long period of struggling to be consistently a top four side. As you well know, almost every decade since has seen that same inconsistency.

when you look at our record in the 1960's.. maybe our last 6 seasons of 5th, 8th, 3rd, 7th, 5th, 4th isn't quite as bad as you are making out.

I want us to be battling for third every year. You want us to be battling for third every year.. but apart from a few glorious years in the late 1940's and 1950's (yes that's 70+ years ago) and then a much shorter period at the start of the 1970's (just the 50 years ago) we have never managed to do that.

If the modern Hibs ever really does manage to put together a consistant run of being a top 4 side for even 5 years on the trot, it will be the most consistent our beloved team has been for 50 years.

[My old man]

The thread is will we make top 6 mate. We are up against Dundee surely?

I read the title
I was giving my (nonprofessional) opinion but I do think I made my point clear
St midden could end up in bottom 6

GG2TH

[CentreLine]

To be fair you have a very selective memory about our "Once Great Club". You said you started going to see Hibs in the 1960's and everyone was still waxing lyrical about the Famous Five. Just for the sake of accurate History, let's take a look at "Our Once Great Club's" league positions in the 1960's when you started watching.

season 56/57 - 9th
season 57/58 - 9th
season 58/59 - 10th
season 59/60 - 7th
season 60/61 - 8th
season 61/62 - 8th
season 62/63 - 16th !!!!!
season 63/64 - 10th
season 64/65 - 4th (YAYYYY TOP 6 !!!!)
season 65/66 - 6th
season 66/67 - 5th
season 67/68 - 3rd (Now we are motoring)
season 68/69 - 12th (ohhh pants)

So during the 13 years between 1956 and 1969 we acheived top 6 (in an easier league with 18 teams in it and only having to play the best teams twice) on just 4 occasions.

I love the history of our club and while I don't personally remember the Famous 5 or even Turnbulls tornadoes as I didn't start going to matches till the early 80's, I very much respect their legacy and have humbly asked for both Pat Stanton and Lawrie Reilly's autograph as a grown man. However our "Once Great Club" has always had long period of struggling to be consistently a top four side. As you well know, almost every decade since has seen that same inconsistency.

when you look at our record in the 1960's.. maybe our last 6 seasons of 5th, 8th, 3rd, 7th, 5th, 4th isn't quite as bad as you are making out.

I want us to be battling for third every year. You want us to be battling for third every year.. but apart from a few glorious years in the late 1940's and 1950's (yes that's 70+ years ago) and then a much shorter period at the start of the 1970's (just the 50 years ago) we have never managed to do that.

If the modern Hibs ever really does manage to put together a consistant run of being a top 4 side for even 5 years on the trot, it will be the most consistent our beloved team has been for 50 years.

Whilst that’s a good and informative post WorcesterHibby I’m not sure that you haven’t missed the point I was making, none of which particularly contradicts your statistics. For the record my first game was in 66 and things didn’t feel too bad at all for the young me, despite the glory days already living in the memory of those older supporters round about. Even 68/9 involved a cup final, the result was not great of course but we were there.

[Hibrandenburg]

Point taken. Mathematically it’s technically out of our hands but we have 9 points up for grabs. If come April 14th 47 points wouldn’t have gotten us in the top 6 drop I’ll be beyond surprised.

I still think 6 will do the job.

If Dundee get nothing from their game against Rangers, then 6 will do it.

[Since452]

It’s a sad reflection on the season and on the fortunes of our once great club that we are debating whether we can get in to the top six places in Scottish football. Unfortunately, that’s the reality we have come to and that’s not just over a short period.

Going forward from here, I sincerely hope our future threads are debated on how far we are going in Europe. Or how did we have to settle for third.

When the very small version of me started going to ER in the sixties, my older cousin, who took us, and the punters round about, were still waxing lyrical about The Famous Five and Joe Baker having left too soon. Or how was it possible that these players had not brought the cup back to ER.

Then we had the, all too short period, when the tactical genius that was Eddie Turnbull took Willie McFarlane’s side, added two players and we reached some to dizzy heights of expectation. After that we have had lots of failure but brief moments of joy to keep us coming back.

How did we get to the stage of being content scraping in to the top six? Our club season tickets promotion this year is all about generations. It’s TIME Hibs, to have a generation of consistent and prolonged success. This season is already a failure. Let it be the last for a long time.

It's been an abject failure of a season..so far. We can salvage it to an extent by scraping a European place. It's still possible. Bottom six would be a disaster.