Rule changes in football

[McGruber]

What rule changes would you make in football? Football is the beautiful game so good argument for leaving well alone but seen some proposed ideas lately.

From PLZ Soccer - getting rid of extra time in cup competitions. 90 min games and straight to penalties (perhaps with exception of Finals)

From guy on Down The Slope poscast* - talking about the skewed risk and reward for some penalty calls. Scoring a penalty massively affects the game, or wins the game but there is no differential between a handball on the line or brought down by keeper to a hip bump at the edge of the box or accidental handball that doesn't stop the opponents getting a chance. Could we not have a goal scoring chance stopped in box as a penalty and innocuous infringements being indirect free kicks in the box. Of course would still be controversial subjective calls but there are now and there would be less so.

.Net poster (apologies - forget name) in wake of Ross County debacle, sector lines at the sides to limit stealing yards at throw ins. Thought that was a good idea

Injury time. Someone is totting up injury time. I would like to see it totted up individually for each team. Game is 90 mins and the injury time played at end shouldn't include the time wasted by the team losing at 90 mins.

Also - the obvious, scrap VAR or keep for offsides and goal line tech only.
If keeping VAR, I would scrap the use of still images as it loses the context of the play. Ref should judge it in the real world. So if they make a mistake (because they never seen at all or seen a poor angle) call them to the monitor and play it again. Play it from each available angle - but with proviso always at game speed.

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[Carheenlea]

I would keep it simple and just revert back to the same rules for everyone rather than the VAR enabled two tier system adopted in Scotland in recent times.

A one rule for all would be welcomed.

[Eyrie]

I would keep it simple and just revert back to the same rules for everyone rather than the VAR enabled two tier system adopted in Scotland in recent times.

A one rule for all would be welcomed.

I would aim for the impossible and introduce the same rules for everyone instead of officials favouring the Ugly Sisters both before and during VAR.

On a more achievable level, I'd like to see a proper advantage rule so that there isn't the present incentive for players to exaggerate contact to get the foul, particularly in the box.

[Bridge hibs]

Since authorities are trying their best to make football a non contact sport players should don those big bubbles, at least it would be entertaining 27780

[LaMotta]

The Wenger offside proposal. If any part of you is in line then you are onside. Boyle's goal in the semi V Aberdeen should never ever be getting ruled out.

[Donegal Hibby]

Wenger rule in .
Change the ridiculous handball rule .
Get rid of VAR asap .
Recruit and train full time referees from all parts of Scotland and get rid of the corrupt ones we have who bend the rules we have frequently anyhow.

[EdinMike]

I’ve said for years, take a leaf out of rugbys book… If the ball is out of play the clock stops. Gets rid of Injury time, time wasting and you're paying to watch 90 minutes of football.

However, obviously you would need another official to be the “Timekeeper” soooo it will still be somehow compromised !

[Onceinawhile]

If your team is time-wasting and you make a substation, and the player going off is taking too long, the player coming on should be booked on their behalf.

[Hibby70]

Have the time over the 45 shown on the clock instead of stopping at 45/90

[Seekyit]

What rule changes would you make in football. Football is the beautiful game so good argument for leaving well alone but seen some proposed ideas lately.

From PLZ soccer - getting rid of extra time in cup competitions. 90 min games and straight to penalties (perhaps with exception of Finals)

From guy on Down The Slope poscast* - talking about the skewed risk and reward for some penalty calls. Scoring a penalty massively affects the game, or wins the game but there is no differential between a handball on the line or brought down by keeper to a hip bump at the edge of the box or accidental handball that doesn't stop the opponents getting a chance. Could we not have a goalscoring chance stopped in box as a penalty and innocuous infringemnts being indirect free kicks in box. Of course would still be controversial subjective calls but there are now and there would be less so.

.Net poster (apologies - forget name) in wake of Ross County debacle, sector lines at the sides to limit stealing yards at throw ins. Thought that was a good idea

Injury time. Someone is totting up injury time. I would like to see it totted up individually for each team. Game is 90 mins and the injury time played at end shouldn't include the time wasted by the team losing at 90 mins.

Also - the obvious, scrap VAR or keep for offsides and goal line tech only.
If keeping VAR, I would scrap the use of still images as it loses the context of the play. Ref should judge it in the real world. So if they make a mistake (because they never seen at all or seen a poor angle) call them to the monitor and play it again. Play it from each available angle - but with proviso always at game speed.

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Am I right in saying we don't have this in Scotland?

[Carheenlea]

I’d seriously consider doing away with the penalty. It’s a cheats charter and you’d eliminate over half of the most debated decisions in the game.

[Se7enUp]

What rule changes would you make in football. Football is the beautiful game so good argument for leaving well alone but seen some proposed ideas lately.

From PLZ soccer - getting rid of extra time in cup competitions. 90 min games and straight to penalties (perhaps with exception of Finals)

From guy on Down The Slope poscast* - talking about the skewed risk and reward for some penalty calls. Scoring a penalty massively affects the game, or wins the game but there is no differential between a handball on the line or brought down by keeper to a hip bump at the edge of the box or accidental handball that doesn't stop the opponents getting a chance. Could we not have a goalscoring chance stopped in box as a penalty and innocuous infringemnts being indirect free kicks in box. Of course would still be controversial subjective calls but there are now and there would be less so.

.Net poster (apologies - forget name) in wake of Ross County debacle, sector lines at the sides to limit stealing yards at throw ins. Thought that was a good idea

Injury time. Someone is totting up injury time. I would like to see it totted up individually for each team. Game is 90 mins and the injury time played at end shouldn't include the time wasted by the team losing at 90 mins.

Also - the obvious, scrap VAR or keep for offsides and goal line tech only.
If keeping VAR, I would scrap the use of still images as it loses the context of the play. Ref should judge it in the real world. So if they make a mistake (because they never seen at all or seen a poor angle) call them to the monitor and play it again. Play it from each available angle - but with proviso always at game speed.

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I like very much the real speed idea for VAR reviews

[BoomtownHibees]

One for me would be, like rugby, to allow the game to continue whilst the physio treats an injured player

[babahibs]

I'd like them to scrap the 'Hibs get nowt' rule.

[babahibs]

I’d seriously consider doing away with the penalty. It’s a cheats charter and you’d eliminate over half of the most debated decisions in the game.

I like the sound of changing the rules around the awarding and taking of penalties, there's scope for a few different things;

Scrap them altogether.
Make the penalty box smaller.
Take the penalty from further away.
Etc Etc

[Smartie]

I’d seriously consider doing away with the penalty. It’s a cheats charter and you’d eliminate over half of the most debated decisions in the game.

I think this needs to be given very serious consideration. Not sure what the alternative might be, but it seems to be a disproportionate award for a sometimes non-existent offence, and the root of the majority of controversy and injustice.

If we continue to reward getting into the box to theatrically fall over or have the ball glance off a hand then we shouldn't be surprised when games are decided on what isn't really all that great a skill in the grand scheme of things and that teams will play in a way that exploits this sort of situation.

[gbhibby]

Wenger offside
VAR responsible for timekeeping they stop the clock at substitutions, injuries VAR checks time wasting, penalty kicks etc.
Blood and HIA substitutions allowed.
Corner kick arc made 50% bigger.
Penalties after extra time is best of 11 then goes to sudden death. If only 10 players in one team is best of 10 etc

[Frazerbob]

Stop mucking about with the game. I’d no all rule changes since the 70’s and start again. Every year they bring in new laws and ruin the game a little more.

[Haymaker]

The Wenger offside proposal. If any part of you is in line then you are onside. Boyle's goal in the semi V Aberdeen should never ever be getting ruled out.

Have they not already decided that will be the rule from next season? Remember seeing something about it.

[kentao]

Managers / Captains get 3 chances to contest a decision / non decision that can be reviewed on VAR whether its wrongfully awarded corner / Throw In or foul that's been "missed"

Players faking a head injury to get the game stopped reviewed on VAR and booked for simulation if no head contact occurred

Offside needs to be clear and obvious not by Bawhairs.

[babahibs]

Managers / Captains get 3 chances to contest a decision / non decision that can be reviewed on VAR whether its wrongfully awarded corner / Throw In or foul that's been "missed"

Players faking a head injury to get the game stopped reviewed on VAR and booked for simulation if no head contact occurred

Offside needs to be clear and obvious not by Bawhairs.

I like the faking head knock one, it's something that's become a real problem imo.

[Alfiembra]

I’ve always felt when a straight red card is later overturned on appeal it means that the team has been unfairly penalised in the game that the red card was given. I would suggest a point should be awarded to the team having to play with 10 men if they subsequently lose or draw the game. Not sure how to work it for cup matches but there should be some form of compensation.

[Onion]

For substitutions, I would have the sub wait the exact no of secs (or mins) it takes for a substituted player to actually leave the field before they are allowed onto the field of play.. You’d soon see the Huns scurrying off asap rather than that ridiculous slow orange walk we saw the other week , causing Obita to try do the referee’s job !

[nonshinyfinish]

From PLZ Soccer - getting rid of extra time in cup competitions. 90 min games and straight to penalties (perhaps with exception of Finals)

All of the others I can see the reasoning (whether I agree with it or not), but what's the argument for this one? To let folk get an earlier bus?

[Greensunshine]

The offside rule is killing the game.

I’d put a line across both eighteen yard lines and make it if any part of your body is over that line, then your off.

It would open up space instead of twenty players bunched up into 20 or 30 yards!

[PPZPOL]

For substitutions, I would have the sub wait the exact no of secs (or mins) it takes for a substituted player to actually leave the field before they are allowed onto the field of play.. You’d soon see the Huns scurrying off asap rather than that ridiculous slow orange walk we saw the other week , causing Obita to try do the referee’s job !

This one! I’ve said for ages you should get 10 seconds to get off then the game just starts and if they are not off before that then the sub coming on has to wait till next break in play (and the boy subbed can’t touch it). Subs made in the majority of games now are taking the piss now.

Also, stop giving fouls for everything and start giving foul throws again, seems to have vanished from the rules for some reason.

[mixumatosis]

I’ve said for years, take a leaf out of rugbys book… If the ball is out of play the clock stops. Gets rid of Injury time, time wasting and you're paying to watch 90 minutes of football.

However, obviously you would need another official to be the “Timekeeper” soooo it will still be somehow compromised !

If we are going to see 7,8,9+ mins of injury time per half routinely getting added on then this has to be introduced imo.

And I'd want the time visible, so the ref's watch is linked to the stadium clock so everyone can see it.

[LaMotta]

Have they not already decided that will be the rule from next season? Remember seeing something about it.

Under consideration apparently - on trial in several countries too I think!

[gbhibby]

I would also like to see only 2 players allowed in a defensive wall other defensive players must be 3 metres away from defensive wall.
VAR audio broadcast over the PA at stadium.

Managers allowed 3 challenges per game.This can include missing offences in the build up to goals
Goal line technology introduced in Scotland.

[SHODAN]

Sixty minute game, two halves of 30. Clock stopped whenever ball is not active.

Will kill time wasting dead.

[McGruber]

All of the others I can see the reasoning (whether I agree with it or not), but what's the argument for this one? To let folk get an earlier bus?

The main reason seemed to be that more often than not both teams don't want to lose the game at that stage and it becomes a cagey tedious borefest. I think that's probably true in the main with some noticeable exceptions.

The other thing mentioned (& don't shoot the messanger) was it would be appealing for the tv companies - better for their scheduling (no more 'news to follow') plus more instances of the drama of penalty kicks.

Personally, quite liked Golden Goal the tournament they done that. A 'next goal the winner' type for any youngsters that never seen it

[Greenbeard]

The Wenger offside proposal. If any part of you is in line then you are onside. Boyle's goal in the semi V Aberdeen should never ever be getting ruled out.
You'd still have dodgy borderline decisions and you'd introduce a new style of running for attackers, with one arm stretched out behind you as far as possible, like you're about to receive the baton in a relay race. Same as we now have a new style for defenders with hands behind their backs.
Actually, come to think of it, we could have a handcuff rule - all players handcuffed behind their backs (apart from the goalie who is allowed one free hand). No hand balls, no stray hands in the face, no grappling at corners and no tugs on shirts. Think I'm on to something there.

[worcesterhibby]

New rule- ban freemasons from becoming referees, Policemen or SFA officials...the change in Scottish Football would be mind blowing.

[blackpoolhibs]

I’d seriously consider doing away with the penalty. It’s a cheats charter and you’d eliminate over half of the most debated decisions in the game.
I've never thought of this before, but i like it. I'd modify it slightly to give free kicks for those daft hand balls and fouls that are not clear goalscoring decisions.

Only give a penalty if its a clear goalscoring chance, anything else is just a free kick.

[Greensunshine]

I’d seriously consider doing away with the penalty. It’s a cheats charter and you’d eliminate over half of the most debated decisions in the game.

Penalties are fine. It’s part of the excitement of the game. The real problem is players that’ll cheat their Granny to win one and referees who are so easily conned.
We need to stop allowing referees into the game that don’t know the game. We’ve witnessed a shocker recently at Tynie.
Vargas going down like he’s been shot by a sniper because he’d been tapped by a trailing ankle.
That referee shouldn’t be allowed to ref ever again after that!
Vargas should be banned for five matches for bringing the game into disrepute!

[MKHIBEE]

I’d seriously consider doing away with the penalty. It’s a cheats charter and you’d eliminate over half of the most debated decisions in the game.
Tavernier would be looking for a job if that happened

[MWHIBBIES]

Rules are fine, refs are not.

Referees get proper performance reviews and if they aren't up to it, pay them off.

[One Day Soon]

Speaking of altering the penalty rules, when did anybody last witness a free kick given inside the box? Have they become extinct?

[One Day Soon]

[QUOTE=Onceinawhile;7615424]If your team is time-wasting and you make a substation, and the player going off is taking too long, the player coming on should be booked on their behalf.[/QUOTE

That would be electrifying…

[One Day Soon]

Substitutions:

You can’t ask for one until your player is stripped and ready on the line. When the board goes up your sub goes straight on the field and play recommences immediately. The player coming off can play no further part in the game and has ten seconds to get off otherwise he’s yellow carded. Red carded if he interferes with play on way off.

Kills sub-related time wasting stone dead.

[Dr What If?]

One not mentioned is how we determine whether a ball is in play or not. I can't forget the Japan goal v Germany in the World Cup, the ball was on the ground and there was clear green grass between the ball and the line but from the camera angle above the ball was touching the line.....ball considered in play by VAR and goal given. The rule as it is worded in fine in a pre VAR world but if we are going to have camera's at several different angles then it is going to cause confusion.
In a post VAR world we probably need so tweaking with the rule book just to make the rules more concrete, subjective doesn't work and there is no rule of president in football.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Making it that if any part of a forward is in line with the last man it puts him onside is a no brainer IMO. Players being given offside because a toe or a finger is 'offside' is ridiculous. You have to wonder what the scoring record of Gerd Muller or Pele would look like if VAR had been a thing back in the day.

Hell, even if you changed the rule to make it a player is only offside if the leg nearest his own goal is in advance of the last defender would make a huge difference, it would probably make at least half of the goals ruled out as offside this season legitimate goals.

On a personal note. Make it that keepers cant touch the ball with any part of their body outside of either the box. That would nip sweeper keepers in the bud, but still allow keepers to go up for last minute corners and score.

[Haymaker]

Under consideration apparently - on trial in several countries too I think!

Ahh!

[Onion]

Rules are fine, refs are not.

Referees get proper performance reviews and if they aren't up to it, pay them off.

Yes to this. At game yesterday, Hibs given FK on left wing right below West Stand.

Ref no taller than 5 ft 8 inches marks spot for ball, then he takes 8 (Eight) strolling steps forward and marks line for Livi players. Not a chance it was even close to being 10 yards (7 if you are lucky) and the ref knew it. Blatant cheating by the ref.

[Coach Jon]

The offside rule is killing the game.

I’d put a line across both eighteen yard lines and make it if any part of your body is over that line, then your off.

It would open up space instead of twenty players bunched up into 20 or 30 yards!

I remember they introduced the 18 yard offside line in Scotland for the Drybrough Cup and the 1974/75 League Cup. suited attacking teams, Hibs and Celtic contested three finals.

[Greensunshine]

Just watched the young lad Amad score the winner in extra time of the F.A Cup for Man United.

He goes and celebrates quite rightly with his own supporters and gets a wee bit carried away by taking his top off!

Resulting in a second yellow card = sent off

What a joke!

I’m a Liverpool supporter and totally understand why he’s lost it. Absolutely no need to be booking players for this!

Can we please change this stupid rule and have some common sense!

Why are the authorities trying to kill the game we all love? I really don’t get it!

Well done to Man United btw!

[Greensunshine]

I remember they introduced the 18 yard offside line in Scotland for the Drybrough Cup and the 1974/75 League Cup. suited attacking teams, Hibs and Celtic contested three finals.

Ye I’ve heard about that. I think they need to bring in a rule that makes the game more exciting. This is definitely one.

[HFC 0-7]

I would keep Var, only because it’s easier for them to cheat without it. At least when they cheat using var it does get brought up through commentary and by pundits. If it keeps happening it will need to change and they won’t get away with it

[ElginHibee]

I've thought for a while that with VAR the offside rule is outdated, the Wenger rule should be implemented.

Looking at handball would be good, not just for the silly penalties but players running around like idiots with their hands behind their backs does my nut in. The natural/unnatural position thing is stupid. We've seen the Triantis (I think) pen where his arm was across the front of his body shielding himself from a deflection (obviously deemed unnatural) to the non-pen against Aberdeen where the players arm was trailing behind him moving towards the ball which they must have deemed natural. It's crazy.

Fouling in the box needs looked at. The attacking player has all the advantage. They take a dive/go over easy and they lose pretty much nothing unless they are standing on the goal line. If the defender falls over for contact they probably lose a goal if the FK isn't given. Think of how physical forwards can throw their weight around in 1-on-1s with no consequence. It's incentivising cheats.

Head knocks are hard, the minute you start ignoring head knocks deemed fake, someone will get badly hurt (just look at Boyle against the huns). If you add a temp sub rule, I would bet teams will abuse it at the end of games to get an extra sub/make tactical changes when it suits. Having teams go down to 10 men also is tricky, I'd be boiling if a Hibs player gets a legit head knock and we basically get reduced to 10 men. Although, thinking it through as I type this, with 5 subs maybe managers would have to learn to keep one free just in case. You need to be careful you don't force players to play through legitimate concussion though. The cheating by abusing the system is the problem. One game recently (maybe Ross County?) a player went down after heading the ball cleanly and the ref stopped play, that's mental.

I hate diving/falling over easy, even when our players do it, I'd love that to be addressed somehow. I thought there was supposed to be retrospective punishments for simulation? Even with the Vargas pen, although there was contact he absolutely exaggerated it, that should be a retrospective punishment that hurts.

[MikeyS]

Penalties have to be taken by the player fouled or in instances where a cross or shot has been handled then the player shooting/crossing has to take it.

No real logic to this other than my extreme dislike of seeing Tavernier held up as some outstanding goalscorer of his time when he's a penalty merchant!

[pepe]

Wenger rule for offside
stop the clock when the ball is out of play (like EVERY other sport)
Clock is visible to all and reduce in game time to 60 mins
Take 6 yards off pen box. D would not have to be changed
indirect free kick in box for non goal scoring fouls (pens are my big peev)
if a player goes down for a head knock, he is subbed off for safety
refs mic’d up. This is a must. What are they hiding?
pay for professional refs. That’s how you get good ones

[Bobby's Cinema]

I'd like for a foul to only be when a player deliberately attempts to gain an advantage by acting unfairly. Is that not the very definition but we seem to have forgotten somehow.

There are far too many fouls with players just going down under any contact buying fouls, daft pens for non-deliberate hand ball flicks, offside lines poured over to the millimetre when 40 yards from goal when the striker can't even see the last defender. Non of those scenarios has the penalised player deliberately sought to gain advantage by cheating.

Bin VAR/ go back to the advantage with the attacking player.

[Smartie]

I see a lot of backing for the Wenger rule here... but will that really solve anything? There will still be the delays as they look for the tiny offsides in a slightly different area.

There will be more goals (until the players learn to adapt) but most of the VAR issues will remain.

[ElginHibee]

stop the clock when the ball is out of play (like EVERY other sport)
Clock is visible to all and reduce in game time to 60 mins

Already saw EPL managers bitching about the 10 mins of added time being tough on their players this season, imagine them having to play a full 90!

I would absolutely go for the time clock being visible for all to see, the more openness and accountability, the better. With modern technology it can't be hard.

[LaMotta]

I see a lot of backing for the Wenger rule here... but will that really solve anything? There will still be the delays as they look for the tiny offsides in a slightly different area.

There will be more goals (until the players learn to adapt) but most of the VAR issues will remain.

You are right it won't solve those issues but what it will do is return the offside rule to as close as it was pre var, which I think is a good thing. The Boyle disallowed goal in the semi v Sheep was onside pre var and I feel its so harsh that had to be disallowed given that it would have been allowed for several decades previous to that.

[Brightside]

Sixty minute game, two halves of 30. Clock stopped whenever ball is not active.

Will kill time wasting dead.

This. Its mental we haven't changed to this way of running a game of football. The ball is actually never in play for 60 mins. Get a countdown clock and just ensure we play the full countdown. Just so easy to implement.

[ballengeich]

Wenger rule for offside
stop the clock when the ball is out of play (like EVERY other sport)
Clock is visible to all and reduce in game time to 60 mins
Take 6 yards off pen box. D would not have to be changed
indirect free kick in box for non goal scoring fouls (pens are my big peev)
if a player goes down for a head knock, he is subbed off for safety
refs mic’d up. This is a must. What are they hiding?
pay for professional refs. That’s how you get good ones

As others have pointed out the Wenger rule doesn't improve anything, it just marginally shifts the point at which close calls are made. The VAR decisions would take just as long and be just as contentious.

Rugby and American football are among games which don't always stop the clock when the ball is not in play.

Having a fixed time in play would slow the game further as coaches would delay set plays while they did a bit of coaching. The next step would be timeouts. Only counting time the ball is in play implies that all the movement players do to find space just before a set piece is taken is not part of the game, which is nonsense.

Refs are already professional on a good wage. If it was a full-time job what would they spend their time doing outside the few hours when they're actually working at a game?

[Smartie]

You are right it won't solve those issues but what it will do is return the offside rule to as close as it was pre var, which I think is a good thing. The Boyle disallowed goal in the semi v Sheep was onside pre var and I feel its so harsh that had to be disallowed given that it would have been allowed for several decades previous to that.

Fair enough.

I have an issue with the fact that we've done away with the concept of being "level" - where I've always felt like if you're "level" then you're onside and deserve the benefit of the doubt, which is much more as you describe.

I'm hating goals being ruled out for the farcically minimal offsides, often after a lengthy delay.

[Cropley10]

Except for incidents of violent conduct/serious foul play in the penalty box, where the attacking side if awarded a penalty and where the defending side's player is shown a red card for 'denying a clear goal-scoring opportunity' the defender is only sent off IF the attacking side fail to score the penalty.

Currently it's a double punishment - an attacker is about to score, is brought down and the defending side can then be a goal AND a player down. If the penalty is missed or saved then the attacking side play against 10 men, not both.

[Cropley10]

Oh and what about a definition of what a 'clear and obvious' error actually means for VAR interventions?

[Donegal Hibby]

Rules are fine, refs are not.

Referees get proper performance reviews and if they aren't up to it, pay them off.

I can't agree with you there , the offside rule could be a lot better and the handball rule is beyond a joke now . Both are spoiling games on a regular basis.

[Haymaker]

Except for incidents of violent conduct/serious foul play in the penalty box, where the attacking side if awarded a penalty and where the defending side's player is shown a red card for 'denying a clear goal-scoring opportunity' the defender is only sent off IF the attacking side fail to score the penalty.

Currently it's a double punishment - an attacker is about to score, is brought down and the defending side can then be a goal AND a player down. If the penalty is missed or saved then the attacking side play against 10 men, not both.I'm pretty sure if the defender is last man and gives away a pen they cannot be sent off as it is double punishment.

However if it's outside the box it's a red.

Happened yesterday in the Chelsea game

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[SHODAN]

I'm pretty sure if the defender is last man and gives away a pen they cannot be sent off as it is double punishment.

However if it's outside the box it's a red.

Happened yesterday in the Chelsea game

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Happened in the last derby last season. Initially penalty and yellow card, VARed to free kick and red card.

[Cropley10]

I'm pretty sure if the defender is last man and gives away a pen they cannot be sent off as it is double punishment.

However if it's outside the box it's a red.

Happened yesterday in the Chelsea game

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But that doesn’t solve the problem. If it’s penalty and a yellow now, for fouls in the box, then if the penalty is saved then it’s advantage the defending team. My suggestion is it’s a red if the attacking team don’t score. FWIW the internet says ‘denying a clear goal scoring opportunity’ is a red card AND penalty.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I'm pretty sure if the defender is last man and gives away a pen they cannot be sent off as it is double punishment.



They can be sent off if they’ve not made a “genuine” attempt at winning the ball.

[LaMotta]

I'm pretty sure if the defender is last man and gives away a pen they cannot be sent off as it is double punishment.

However if it's outside the box it's a red.

Happened yesterday in the Chelsea game

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Porteous got sent off at Pittodrie for giving away a penalty and denying goalscoring opportunity:

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12572865/ryan-porteous-hibernian-fail-in-red-card-appeal-as-defender-banned-for-four-matches

Its only meant to be a red if you don't go for the ball and just deliberately impede the opponent to prevent them scoring. Porto clearly went for the ball (but made hash of it) - so should have been a yellow. As usual we got xxxxxxx by a ref who got the decision wrong - then we appealed and somehow that got rejected and Porto got an extra ban to doubly **** us.:rolleyes:

[Eyrie]

Porteous got sent off at Pittodrie for giving away a penalty and denying goalscoring opportunity:

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12572865/ryan-porteous-hibernian-fail-in-red-card-appeal-as-defender-banned-for-four-matches

Its only meant to be a red if you don't go for the ball and just deliberately impede the opponent to prevent them scoring. Porto clearly went for the ball (but made hash of it) - so should have been a yellow. As usual we got xxxxxxx by a ref who got the decision wrong - then we appealed and somehow that got rejected and Porto got an extra ban to doubly **** us.:rolleyes:

The Porteous red at Ibrox was worse because the reverse angle clearly showed that he got the ball and the Hun then tripped over Porteous' knees instead of avoiding him.

[Kato]

Porteous got sent off at Pittodrie for giving away a penalty and denying goalscoring opportunity:

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12572865/ryan-porteous-hibernian-fail-in-red-card-appeal-as-defender-banned-for-four-matches

Its only meant to be a red if you don't go for the ball and just deliberately impede the opponent to prevent them scoring. Porto clearly went for the ball (but made hash of it) - so should have been a yellow. As usual we got xxxxxxx by a ref who got the decision wrong - then we appealed and somehow that got rejected and Porto got an extra ban to doubly **** us.:rolleyes:Rules? Hibs? Pah!

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[zitelli62]

Ye I’ve heard about that. I think they need to bring in a rule that makes the game more exciting. This is definitely one.

I'd go one better and do away with offside altogether plenty goals in every game.

[LaMotta]

The Porteous red at Ibrox was worse because the reverse angle clearly showed that he got the ball and the Hun then tripped over Porteous' knees instead of avoiding him.

Aye agreed, I still don't think it was even a foul - the worst thing about that one was the character assassination in the press of Porteous after the game, with hordes of hun leaning pundits coming out to say what a bad tackle it was and how much of a crazy ******* Porto was....ultimately to justify an incorrect decision and keep the narrative going that Rangers don't get favours from refs.


Rules? Hibs? Pah!

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I never really thought we were that hard done by over the years, but the more and more you think about the more clear examples keep popping up.

[Carheenlea]

Fair enough.

I have an issue with the fact that we've done away with the concept of being "level" - where I've always felt like if you're "level" then you're onside and deserve the benefit of the doubt, which is much more as you describe.

I'm hating goals being ruled out for the farcically minimal offsides, often after a lengthy delay.

I’d argue that keeping the offside rules as they are, but actually doing away with drawn lines to examine offside calls. Have an official looking at replays to help the referee, but if a players level as the eye sees it then he’s level. If he’s off then he’ll look off.

Examining lines for minute detail even with the new proposal just brings the same problems in reverse. A player miles offside but the heel of his boot might just be playing him on. Nothing changes .

[MWHIBBIES]

I’d argue that keeping the offside rules as they are, but actually doing away with drawn lines to examine offside calls. Have an official looking at replays to help the referee, but if a players level as the eye sees it then he’s level. If he’s off then he’ll look off.

Examining lines for minute detail even with the new proposal just brings the same problems in reverse. A player miles offside but the heel of his boot might just be playing him on. Nothing changes .

Can't do that, as camera angles and different perspectives throw the eye off. Would be loads of wrong decisions.

[Waxy]

I’d seriously consider doing away with the penalty. It’s a cheats charter and you’d eliminate over half of the most debated decisions in the game.

Absolutely.A free kick wherever the foul was is much fairer and probably hugely entertaining.

[Brightside]

That change to the offside rule is just stupid. Giving strikers a yard start will ruin the game. Defenders will start camping out on 18yard lines. We will be back doing long punt football like the 70s.

[Ship of Hope]

As some have said already I would like to see VAR checks being initiated by the teams and not the officials. But only a couple of opportunities to request a situation to be looked at to stop frivolous requests at every decisive incident. If upheld then still have same number of opportunities remaining. I would also go further and make it that the team should specify exactly what they want looked at, for example offside, foul play on x player. At the moment it feels every situation is being poured over looking for any reason. Only the specified reason in the protest should be explored by VAR.

secondly, more fan centred with all discussions between officials broadcast in the stadium and images displayed on the screens with what they are basing their decisions. Dare I say more in line with the way it is done in rugby. Whilst they also may not always get it right at least there is more transparancy and recognition of the supporters in the stadium to know what is going on.

Everything else I can live with so long as applied fairly to everyone.

[Gettin' Auld]

I remember they introduced the 18 yard offside line in Scotland for the Drybrough Cup and the 1974/75 League Cup. suited attacking teams, Hibs and Celtic contested three finals.
Those games were great, especially the 5 - 3 final :aok:

[JimBHibees]

Porteous got sent off at Pittodrie for giving away a penalty and denying goalscoring opportunity:

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12572865/ryan-porteous-hibernian-fail-in-red-card-appeal-as-defender-banned-for-four-matches

Its only meant to be a red if you don't go for the ball and just deliberately impede the opponent to prevent them scoring. Porto clearly went for the ball (but made hash of it) - so should have been a yellow. As usual we got xxxxxxx by a ref who got the decision wrong - then we appealed and somehow that got rejected and Porto got an extra ban to doubly **** us.:rolleyes:

Their second pen that game first one came off Rockys thigh then hand. Alan Muir again. The decision to extend Portos ban was ridiculous. Ryan Kent appealed was turned down with no extension after punching Scott Brown :faf:

[ElginHibee]

Absolutely.A free kick wherever the foul was is much fairer and probably hugely entertaining.

I'm old enough to remember the spate of indirect free kicks in the box when the pass back rule was introduced. They were exciting without being total gimmes.