Hibernian statement on away supporters

[AugustaHibs]

Hibernian FC condemns the abhorrent behaviour and chanting made by some supporters in Scottish football.

Over recent years supporters’ unacceptable conduct has become rife in Scotland whether that be through the use of pyrotechnics, sectarianism, objects being thrown onto the field of play or through other actions. This is simply not good enough.

Understanding that the behaviour of certain sections of Hibernian FC’s own support has not been good enough at times this season, the Club has been taking the strongest possible action against those who behave in an unacceptable manner, working with Police Scotland and colleagues at other clubs.

Hibernian FC now implores other clubs to act in a similar fashion and the governing bodies to take serious consideration into the issues to ensure Scottish football is safe and welcoming for all.

Following fan behaviour and chanting from opposing teams this season, the Club’s Board of Directors will be reducing the away allocation at Easter Road moving forward, alongside taking further actions.

Football is a sport for all, and stadiums should be a place where families and friends can come together to support their team. Hibernian FC prides itself on being a club for everyone regardless of race, ethnicity, colour, gender, religion, creed, and sexual orientation. Everyone should be able to feel safe and comfortable attending a football match.

[HarpyHibby]

Disappointed that it doesn’t call out last night’s clear anti-Irish Catholic racism specifically. It’s a start at least.

[CathroMustStay]

They should have explicitly referred to "Rangers", not just vague otherness.

Otherwise I support the statement.

Future hun away allocations should be cut to as close to zero as possible

[flash]

Disappointed that it doesn’t call out last night’s clear anti-Irish Catholic racism specifically. It’s a start at least.

It's a brilliant statement which clearly mentions sectarianism.

[Callum_62]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2024/march/11/supporter-conduct---enough-is-enough/

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[04Sauzee]

Reducing to zero would be fantastic

[zitelli62]

Well done its a start.

[Joe6-2]

It’s a start

[flash]

Reducing to zero would be fantastic

Have to disagree. It's not football without two sets of supporters.

[JimBHibees]

They should have explicitly referred to "Rangers", not just vague otherness.

Otherwise I support the statement.

Future hun away allocations should be cut to as close to zero as possible

Yes strange statement not to mention Rangers they specifically should have been called out however in general it is a good statement and loving the cutting of allocations.

[B.H.F.C]

Get the popcorn out for the Rangers response tomorrow, if it takes that long. They’re not named but there’ll be one all right.

[jakedance]

I think that’s a good statement. I expect Hibs and Hearts have agreed a reciprocal cut in allocation. Hopefully one day we can get back to the usual derby crowds but I’d prefer not to give the old firm full stands in future. Up to us to fill the ground without them.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's a brilliant statement which clearly mentions sectarianism.

:agree:

Well done Hibs. Great statement and doesn’t shy away from our own issues.

Delighted well be reducing the Old Firms allocation.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Nothing but respect for Hibs for doing something (at last).

Well done to all supporters who were pushing for this and to the Hibs board for listening.

[Scooter]

I just hope we back the club financially now when it comes to these games.

But great statement. The refs and var next

[GreenGray]

Strong statement and action from the club.

Assume we won’t be reducing Hearts allocation?

If not, does our statement give Hearts the opportunity to reduce ours given behaviour from some of our fans?


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[Shrekko]

Still people moaning but this is an incredible statement from the club in so many ways.

Hopefully the fans show their appreciation in some way.

[MrSmith]

Hopefully not the jumbos allocation cos the derby needs both sets of fans. Has been diminished enough by the old firm over the years.

[Nicho87]

Well done hibs.

[Pretty Boy]

Hopefully not the jumbos allocation cos the derby needs both sets of fans. Has been diminished enough by the old firm over the years.

Agreed the derby is a better spectacle with both sets of fans.

I suppose it's up to both sets of fans to do a bit self policing now to ensure it stays as it is. No one wants some sanitised borefest but not throwing corkscrews on the pitch isn't too much to ask.

[truehibernian]

Hopefully not the jumbos allocation cos the derby needs both sets of fans. Has been diminished enough by the old firm over the years.

Hopefully not and it won’t be - this is about bigotry and uncensored and open sectarianism ignored by the mass media for way way way too long - give birth sides of that **** cheek zero tickets 👍

[Smartie]

I think that’s a good statement. I expect Hibs and Hearts have agreed a reciprocal cut in allocation. Hopefully one day we can get back to the usual derby crowds but I’d prefer not to give the old firm full stands in future. Up to us to fill the ground without them.

I really hope no such thing has been agreed with Hearts, instead I hope that now “the line” has been firmly pointed out that those whose behaviour has been way beyond it gets reined back in.

This is a Rangers problem. My only issue with the statement is that it hasn’t directly referenced it, however I understand fully that sometimes situations need approached with a certain amount of tact and that here, actions speak much louder than words.

[wookie70]

It's a start. I guess we will see a significant reduction at Tiny due to our significant band of nutters and idiots. I'd love to see something from the club that replaces the revenue for this loss.

[JoeT]

Well done Hibs.

[gbhibby]

👏👏👏

[Lago]

Reducing to zero would be fantastic
Only if hibs fans turn up in numbers.

[GreenCastle]

It's a start. I guess we will see a significant reduction at Tiny due to our significant band of nutters and idiots. I'd love to see something from the club that replaces the revenue for this loss.

Hearts actually broke lots more seats at ER last game than Hibs did at Tynie last game.

[Jones28]

It's a start. I guess we will see a significant reduction at Tiny due to our significant band of nutters and idiots. I'd love to see something from the club that replaces the revenue for this loss.

No reason to say that’s a guarantee. The derby is not the issue here.

[VoltaireHibs]

Very good, sensible statement. Well done Hibs. 👍👍

[PatHead]

Great statement from Hibs. Let's hope it is the start of a journey to rid this country of sectarianism.

[04Sauzee]

Only if hibs fans turn up in numbers.

Agreed, I'm sure we could help ensure these games sell out. Walk ups a fiver. I get the fact we'd make less than charging cat A prices. Let's get bums on seats.

[truehibernian]

It's a start. I guess we will see a significant reduction at Tiny due to our significant band of nutters and idiots. I'd love to see something from the club that replaces the revenue for this loss.

No we won’t 👍

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

It's a brilliant statement which clearly mentions sectarianism.

Should call them out explicitly, not just a vague nod to them. Imo of course.


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[Hibernian Verse]

Naming other clubs just opens us up to criticism. A good statement which was very self aware whilst clearly pointing a finger at The Rangers.

[VoltaireHibs]

It's a start. I guess we will see a significant reduction at Tiny due to our significant band of nutters and idiots. I'd love to see something from the club that replaces the revenue for this loss.

Someone at the club needs to sit down with Block 7 and their 'hangers on' and spell out the reality to them. If they don't behave and self police then they won't be attending matches anywhere.

[ElginHibee]

Love the statement and also happy to see us calling out our own morons who have been throwing stuff on the pitch. That has to stop.

[MountcastleHibs]

Sky Sports saying Hearts will still get full allocation.

[Jones28]

Sky Sports saying Hearts will still get full allocation.

As it should be. Good.

[LunasBoots]

Naming other clubs just opens us up to criticism. A good statement which was very self aware whilst clearly pointing a finger at The Rangers.

And Celtic, they've also caused issues in the away end, seems a fair enough statement to me

[green day]

Sky Sports saying Hearts will still get full allocation.

This is about Rangers and Celtic - everyone knows it.

[SteveHFC]

This is about Rangers and Celtic - everyone knows it.

The whole area around ER will be better off for it

[Stairway 2 7]

Great statement. Fed up from the vile pish we have to listen to when both of the old firm come, no place for it in this century.

Glad we mentioned the idiots in our support too.

Other clubs need to step up. It'll be a big hit financially to do this so well done

[Hibernian Verse]

Will they get held back now like we do?

[lucky]

As a club this is a very good statement but sadly cutting away supporters costs us money. If we reduced both the Old Firm it’s going to cost us 000’s of thousands of pounds. Sadly we don’t have enough Hibs fans wiling or can afford to attend games to make up the short fall. Rather than ban fans Police Scotland should take action against the ring leaders

[Mcbizz1998]

Well done Hibs. I hope we cut it to zero!

[Paulie Walnuts]

After last night I genuinely didn’t see me bothering with another OF game any time soon.

After that statement, I’ll likely be at the next one if their allocation is cut by then.

[semaj64]

Good statement, let's hope it gets the clubs working together, highlighting and resolving issues. As for our bunch of idiots maybe Hibs should mention what they've done ie how many caught/banned.

[Libby Hibby]

The next step is to keep them in after the match to allow the home fans to leave the ground in any direction they please.

[K-Zazu]

The next step is to keep them in after the match to allow the home fans to leave the ground in any direction they please.

Does anyone know why this doesn’t happen?

[.Sean.]

The next step is to keep them in after the match to allow the home fans to leave the ground in any direction they please.
Yep, that’s a must.

I’d be giving them the same percentage we get at Ibrox - 2/3%

400 tickets which is about bang on what one single block holds. They can have the back corner ����

[LewysGot2]

The whole area around ER will be better off for it

Yup, the mess, the entitlement, the lot.

Got a bus into the game yesterday and walked down ER. Could not get past the section with Middletons and the chippie without going onto the road into the traffic. Meanwhile the polis sat in vans recording them. Irritated for myself, but worried about my daughter.

[Libby Hibby]

Yep, that’s a must.

I’d be giving them the same percentage we get at Ibrox - 2%.

400 tickets which is about bang on what one single block holds. They can have the back corner 👍🏼

Or the back 3 rows

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Well done Hibs.

Do a Killie and fire them in the upper tier

[Greencore]

Well done hibees
Hope we don't cut the gunts allocation
Can get a bit heated but harmless.

[truehibernian]

Does anyone know why this doesn’t happen?

Police Match Commander and Hibs Safety Manager decision - very annoying but there’s justified reasons for doing so from an overall safety perspective and use of specific resources.

[DIXIHIBS]

As a club this is a very good statement but sadly cutting away supporters costs us money. If we reduced both the Old Firm it’s going to cost us 000’s of thousands of pounds. Sadly we don’t have enough Hibs fans wiling or can afford to attend games to make up the short fall. Rather than ban fans Police Scotland should take action against the ring leaders

If the OF get roughly 4000 tickets at £30 each that's 120k per game. 4 games per season is half million...not insignificant. Cut it in half and a more manageable 250k loss with hopefully more hibbies happy to come to these games. Some things are more important than money though...well done Hibees.

[The Baldmans Comb]

A very clever and long overdue statement but well done and total repect to everyone at Hibs for taking a stand and one that deserves to be rewarded by increased attendance by home supporters.

[Del Boy]

Great from Hibs but not a chance Rangers come out and condemn their supporters, they will pander to them as usual.

[SHODAN]

Based based based based based based

[Paulie Walnuts]

If the OF get roughly 4000 tickets at £30 each that's 120k per game. 4 games per season is half million...not insignificant. Cut it in half and a more manageable 250k loss with hopefully more hibbies happy to come to these games. Some things are more important than money though...well done Hibees.

**** that. 400 tickets. Or even better, absolutely none and take none for their place.

[Chorley Hibee]

Well done Hibs.

[Ozyhibby]

Hearts actually broke lots more seats at ER last game than Hibs did at Tynie last game.

Both sets of fans maybe need to learn the hard way?


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[HarpyHibby]

It's a brilliant statement which clearly mentions sectarianism.

It skirts around the main issue IMHO. Sectarianism is bundled in alongside other examples of unacceptable fan behaviour when the statement is clearly on the back of mass sectarian singing by thousands of Rangers supporters last night.

Alongside cutting allocations, I’d love for the club to push for a response from the SFA. I’d assume we’ve raised this behind closed doors but we shouldn’t be allowing them to sweep it under the carpet again as they have done for decades.

[weecounty hibby]

Well done Hibs. Great statement that not only condemns the OF, cos we all know that's who we mean, but calls out the fannies in our support. Great stuff and good to be the club taking a lead again.

[Gmack7]

Bill Foley making room for more Hibs fans after our summer spending spree

[DIXIHIBS]

**** that. 400 tickets. Or even better, absolutely none and take none for their place.

Agreed. I wasn't advocating giving them half just pointing out the costs. I would give them nowt.

[K-Zazu]

Does anyone know how much money we make from full
Celtic/Rangers ends at ER?

[Dmas]

Well done hibs! We really need to cut it out in our end now, throwing objects and songs about people being dead should be cut, lowering ourselves to that level

[Scottie]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2024/march/11/supporter-conduct---enough-is-enough/

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This can only help us with referring decisions as well going against us at home.

Refs won’t be as quick to pander to an empty away stand.

[Jones28]

Does anyone know how much money we make from full
Celtic/Rangers ends at ER?

About £100k per visit, minus costs.

[DaveF]

Well done Hibs.

Let's see if other clubs take up the challenge laid down. We know the authorities won't.

[lyonhibs]

Brilliant stuff. Fewer old firm fans, what we've all been after for a while. Will the seats be filled with Hibs fans remains the big question, the club have done their bit

[JimBHibees]

Police Match Commander and Hibs Safety Manager decision - very annoying but there’s justified reasons for doing so from an overall safety perspective and use of specific resources.

Would be much more trouble if we held them back imo

[Ryan91]

About £100k per visit, minus costs.

With reduced away allocations for certain clubs, I'd expect a reduction in costs for Stewarding and Policing. Less money in, yes, but also less money out.

[ancient hibee]

Naming other clubs just opens us up to criticism. A good statement which was very self aware whilst clearly pointing a finger at The Rangers.

Yes a very clever statement. Posters wanting direct criticism of Rangers don’t get it. For a start -what about Celtic? By not naming names we’ve made it difficult for the old firm. How do they respond?If they jump in with both feet it makes it even more obvious who it’s aimed at. Also made it difficult for the media.Interesting to see if any have the guts to tackle it.Clever as well to criticise our own supporters as the first line for the media would have been how dare they do this when their own fans are toerags.

[Dr What If?]

Lets not stop there. We should already have the names and addresses of anyone who buys tickets for their end, we should have cameras focused on them for 90 mins and when the song book gets opened next time we hand the footage and their details to the police. Should be a lot easier to do with fewer of them there.
A club that takes a proper stand against sectarianism is a club I can be proud of.

[DaveF]

Huns away at Dundee on Sunday at 12.

I'd expect them to be worse than normal so let's see if Dundee get on board.

[LaMotta]

Yes a very clever statement. Posters wanting direct criticism of Rangers don’t get it. For a start -what about Celtic? By not naming names we’ve made it difficult for the old firm. How do they respond?If they jump in with both feet it makes it even more obvious who it’s aimed at. Also made it difficult for the media.Interesting to see if any have the guts to tackle it.Clever as well to criticise our own supporters as the first line for the media would have been how dare they do this when their own fans are toerags.

Spot on. It's as clever a statement as we could have put out.

Tellingly its 99% Huns on Twitter reacting angrily to the statement.

[hibsbollah]

Yes a very clever statement. Posters wanting direct criticism of Rangers don’t get it. For a start -what about Celtic? By not naming names we’ve made it difficult for the old firm. How do they respond?If they jump in with both feet it makes it even more obvious who it’s aimed at. Also made it difficult for the media.Interesting to see if any have the guts to tackle it.Clever as well to criticise our own supporters as the first line for the media would have been how dare they do this when their own fans are toerags.

I have a feeling their response will be to ignore it until we actually see through on the allocation cut.

[gbhibby]

Does anyone know how much money we make from full
Celtic/Rangers ends at ER?
Approx £140000 which equates to less than 1% of turnover.

[Hibernia&Alba]

It’s a good statement, backed up by action, such as reducing away tickets where required. It’s long overdue, but it’s good to see.

[Del Boy]

Huns away at Dundee on Sunday at 12.

I'd expect them to be worse than normal so let's see if Dundee get on board.

I think Dundee had a go at them last time when they practically set Dens Park on fire, pretty sure they’ll call them out if they’re as bad as they were yesterday (and they will be)

[Not In The Know]

There’s a good chance we would have had a couple thousand more hibs fans there last night if we had already cut their allocation.

[Chorley Hibee]

There goes any chance of the top six or Europe.

Another catalogue of 'honest mistakes' incoming.

[Cat Stanton]

Yes a very clever statement. Posters wanting direct criticism of Rangers don’t get it. For a start -what about Celtic? By not naming names we’ve made it difficult for the old firm. How do they respond?If they jump in with both feet it makes it even more obvious who it’s aimed at. Also made it difficult for the media.Interesting to see if any have the guts to tackle it.Clever as well to criticise our own supporters as the first line for the media would have been how dare they do this when their own fans are toerags.

Re. media, it's on stv news and sky sports. Nothing yet on bbc, amazingly enough.

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[CapitalGreen]

About £100k per visit, minus costs.

Only if those who claim they don’t attend these fixtures due to the away fans continue to stay away.

[KeithTheHibby]

Have to disagree. It's not football without two sets of supporters.

In general I’d agree but when it comes to the old firm, **** them.

[DaveF]

There goes any chance of the top six or Europe.

Another catalogue of 'honest mistakes' incoming.

Can it get any worse than it has been over the last month or so?

[Heisenberg]

This seems to have annoyed all of the right people, well done Hibs.

[RIP]

On Sunday we were missing 5,000 Hibs fans. Whilst many had other reasons for not attending there will be absolutely no doubt in the mind of Ben and Ian that some fans simply will not go to a game against them.

We all know of lassies and family groups who don't go because of the poisonous atmosphere their hordes create. The loss of that ticket income isn't so much of a direct result of who Hibs are playing but the baying mob and the bile they spout. As others have said the policing and stewarding costs are high.

I'd imagine that reducing their allocation would actually result in an increase in home tickets sold and a reduced police presence.

A Win Win if you ask me!!

[Lago]

There goes any chance of the top six or Europe.

Another catalogue of 'honest mistakes' incoming.
Aftraid I'm having difficulty understanding your point?

[babahibs]

Well done Hibs, enough is enough.

[Bristolhibby]

I think that’s a good statement. I expect Hibs and Hearts have agreed a reciprocal cut in allocation. Hopefully one day we can get back to the usual derby crowds but I’d prefer not to give the old firm full stands in future. Up to us to fill the ground without them.

I don’t see this as a Hibs / Hearts reduction.

J

[J-C]

Well done the Hibs board by listening to their own fans, the statement was never going to mention another club by name but the use of the sectarianism is an obvious dig at the OF clubs.

[Bristolhibby]

As a club this is a very good statement but sadly cutting away supporters costs us money. If we reduced both the Old Firm it’s going to cost us 000’s of thousands of pounds. Sadly we don’t have enough Hibs fans wiling or can afford to attend games to make up the short fall. Rather than ban fans Police Scotland should take action against the ring leaders

We’ve got £6m coming in. If not now then it’s never.

No better time to do it.

J

[Pagan Hibernia]

This seems to have annoyed all of the right people, well done Hibs.

Yep, spot on.

You can always tell how well you're doing by the people you manage to piss off. Glory glory :flag:

[Cat Stanton]

Aftraid I'm having difficulty understanding your point?

He means we have annoyed Rangers supporters. Ergo, some more dodgy VAR etc decisions will follow.

[Bristolhibby]

Does anyone know how much money we make from full
Celtic/Rangers ends at ER?

Think someone did the math and it equates to £400k over the season. Assuming 4 OF games a season.

J

[Lago]

He means we have annoyed Rangers supporters. Ergo, some more dodgy VAR etc decisions will follow.
Ah right, makes sense now 👍

[Pagan Hibernia]

Aftraid I'm having difficulty understanding your point?

Could be wrong but I assume he means the football authorities will punish hibs for this with yet more terrible refereeing

[Eyrie]

It's a very good statement which avoids being blatantly aimed any one club whilst still highlighting the two worst offenders.

The fact the Hibs have said they are already taking action against the idiots in our own support (sorry, "hangers on") lays down a marker as well.

[whiskyhibby]

Ah right, makes sense now 👍

I’d happily buy another ticket for Celtic and Rangers games at ER to offset the financial cost of barring them coming

[ACLeith]

He means we have annoyed Rangers supporters. Ergo, some more dodgy VAR etc decisions will follow.

But.... The only group explicitly condemned is our own morons. Anyone else who is offended must feel guilty.

[Smartie]

I’d happily buy another ticket for Celtic and Rangers games at ER to offset the financial cost of barring them coming

I wouldn’t know the first thing about how to make it happen but there needs to be a campaign to get as many of us who have vowed to do similar in the past to make good on our words.

[raeburnhibs]

On Sunday we were missing 5,000 Hibs fans. Whilst many had other reasons for not attending there will be absolutely no doubt in the mind of Ben and Ian that some fans simply will not go to a game against the Vermin.

We all know of lassies and family groups who don't go because of the poisonous atmosphere their hordes create. The loss of that ticket income isn't so much of a direct result of who Hibs are playing but the baying mob and the bile they spout. As others have said the policing and stewarding costs are high.

I'd imagine that reducing their allocation would actually result in an increase in home tickets sold and a reduced police presence.

A Win Win if you ask me!!

Just call them Huns not vermin, hate this term, no place, no need

[Ozyhibby]

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[CraigHibee]

This seems to have annoyed all of the right people, well done Hibs.

It's brilliant looking at the socials tonight, sevco fans are raging

[cabbageandribs1875]

:music: Ha Ha
:music: Ha Ha
:music: Ha Ha, Ha Ha, Ha Ha


get it roon yi Hunnie Bunnies :giruy2:

[NAE NOOKIE]

Well done Hibs .. this is way overdue.

Hibs v Hearts is a passionate derby match, as it should be, but any religious / sectarian aspect to it is limited to a very small amount of Old Firm wannabe copycats on both sides ... probably slightly more Hearts to be fair. There is no need to dilute what is the best derby in Scottish football. As things stand it's far more bitter local rivalry than anything sinister, which is absolutely fine.

The reaction on social media from fans of a certain club says it all, Hibs have hit the bullseye without even naming them.

Time for other clubs to follow suit :flag:

[Fratelli]

My own view is that we should have specifically referenced The Rangers sectarian chanting and the context otherwise the message will be lost.

Look at the Sun’s online reporting of it - only references ‘Gers song complaints’.

We have rightly called out our own supporters for poor behaviour and we should have reported the facts from Wednesday night and other media outlets would have picked up the story.

Whilst our statement is a move in the right direction, my view is that we have let The Rangers off the hook, as we did when they demonstrated utter disrespect for the tribute to Ron Gordon.

[Gloucester Hibs]

Yes a very clever statement. Posters wanting direct criticism of Rangers don’t get it. For a start -what about Celtic? By not naming names we’ve made it difficult for the old firm. How do they respond?If they jump in with both feet it makes it even more obvious who it’s aimed at. Also made it difficult for the media.Interesting to see if any have the guts to tackle it.Clever as well to criticise our own supporters as the first line for the media would have been how dare they do this when their own fans are toerags.

Exactly it’s a really well worded statement, even nipping the whataboutery in the bud by criticising our own fans. Well played Hibs 👏🏻

[andrew_dundee]

Solid statement, I wouldn't have objected to naming Rangers as it's obviously about them, but not going to hold it against the Board who have already done more than I'd expected.

Not sure that Celtic fans are anywhere near as bad as Rangers. The atmosphere against them can be unpleasant, but the songbook has moderated over the years and there's not nearly as much bile or poison.

This is the club putting its money where its mouth is, and I hope others follow.

[Kato]

Hun logic, "They're a bunch of fenian bassas for calling us sectarian."

Wonder if Sevco are working on one their wonderful statements.

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[tamig]

Just call them Huns not vermin, hate this term, no place, no need

A term I’ve only heard used by the fans of one club. Never by a Hibby.

[Doh Rae Me]

A fantastic start, the response will be very interesting from other clubs and the media.

Well done Hibs :thumbsup:

[CentreForward]

Problem is that even when the allocation is cut we’ll still have to hear the songs. Say it’s cut from 4k to 1k, well 1k can still make more than enough noise.

[ChicoM1875]

Solid statement, I wouldn't have objected to naming Rangers as it's obviously about them, but not going to hold it against the Board who have already done more than I'd expected.

Not sure that Celtic fans are anywhere near as bad as Rangers. The atmosphere against them can be unpleasant, but the songbook has moderated over the years and there's not nearly as much bile or poison.

This is the club putting its money where its mouth is, and I hope others follow.

Celtc are just as bad

[truehibernian]

A fantastic start, the response will be very interesting from other clubs and the media.

Well done Hibs :thumbsup:

Will get 1 minute on Sportsound given their *** bias then straight into a segment on The Rangers potential treble, Fabio Silva’s potential transfer, the Clement effect and then Derek Ferguson and Kenny Miler offering reacharounds to Tavernier whilst collectively not being able to string a coherent sentence together 👍. Even then that fat mess Kenny McIntyre will no doubt open with “guys, is sectarian singing really still an issue in Scottish football - your thoughts” 😂

[Kato]

Will get 1 minute on Sportsound given their *** bias then straight into a segment on The Rangers potential treble, Fabio Silva’s potential transfer, the Clement effect and then Derek Ferguson and Kenny Miler offering reacharounds to Tavernier whilst collectively not being able to string a coherent sentence together [emoji106]. Even then that fat mess Kenny McIntyre will no doubt open with “guys, is sectarian singing really still an issue in Scottish football - your thoughts” [emoji23]Who cares. This about our club and our ground. We know what they think about Hibs and how little they of Hibs. Let them carry on. Next season is the start of something new for us and this move by Hibs can only be a good thing. We've adapted, changed and evolved as an institution and that is as ongoing process. If they want to stick their heads in a little 16x90 hole in the sand that is nothing to do with us. The difference between how Hibs fans showed respect to Walter Smith and how they behaved when Ron Gordon died tells you everything you want to know about how they are collectively. The chances of them actually progressing as a support are zilch and they will carry on with what they see as their "tradition".
We'll just have less of them doing so in ER.

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[truehibernian]

Who cares. This about our club and our ground. We know what they think about Hibs and how little they of Hibs. Let them carry on. Next season is the start of something new for us and this move by Hibs can only be a good thing. We've adapted, changed and evolved as an institution and that is as ongoing process. If they want to stick their heads in a little 16x90 hole in the sand that is nothing to do with us. The difference between how Hibs fans showed respect to Walter Smith and how they behaved when Ron Gordon died tells you everything you want to know about how they are collectively. The chances of them actually progressing as a support are zilch and they will carry on with what they see as their "tradition".
We'll just have less of them doing so in ER.

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I care about the bigger picture and other clubs and the media following this excellent stance by Hibs - enough is enough but we need the combined support of other clubs to galvanise a movement to eradicate this filth from not only football but in society. I absolutely support the Club here, but I’ll wager it’ll be tomorrow’s chip paper because our biased media won’t entertain the idea that there’s a problem. For once, every single weekend, I want a pundit calling it out - they won’t as they’re scared of them. Steve Clarke called it out, never heard anything after it - says it all.

[Kato]

I care about the bigger picture and other clubs and the media following this excellent stance by Hibs - enough is enough but we need the combined support of other clubs to galvanise a movement to eradicate this filth from not only football but in society. I absolutely support the Club here, but I’ll wager it’ll be tomorrow’s chip paper because our biased media won’t entertain the idea that there’s a problem. For once, every single weekend, I want a pundit calling it out - they won’t as they’re scared of them. Steve Clarke called it out, never heard anything after it - says it all.Totally agree. But the only statement that will cut any ice with the Scottish football media will have to made on the pitch. So hopefully we make inroads next season.

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[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Just call them Huns not vermin, hate this term, no place, no need

If they get to call me a taig, tarrier, pape, beggar, pauper et al without any repercussions then I’m perfectly comfortable with them being called vermin.


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[Forza Fred]

On Sunday we were missing 5,000 Hibs fans. Whilst many had other reasons for not attending there will be absolutely no doubt in the mind of Ben and Ian that some fans simply will not go to a game against them.

We all know of lassies and family groups who don't go because of the poisonous atmosphere their hordes create. The loss of that ticket income isn't so much of a direct result of who Hibs are playing but the baying mob and the bile they spout. As others have said the policing and stewarding costs are high.

I'd imagine that reducing their allocation would actually result in an increase in home tickets sold and a reduced police presence.

A Win Win if you ask me!!

Dunno about reduced police presence.

Both the Uglies social media sites have been quite open about the number of their fans who travel without a ticket and ‘rush’ the turnstiles at Easter Road to gain entry.

No doubt that is going to increase substantially unless the polis police it better than they currently do.

[neil7908]

Overall a really professional statement and delighted the club is taking action - I'll admit I didn't think it was going to happen.

We've acknowledged the issues with our own support and not got into a mud slinging match by naming clubs directly.

Despite my frustration with the result on Sunday, I'm really pleased with the direction the club is heading in.

[Greensunshine]

This is a bad move by the club.

All it does is make the game much less of a spectacle.

It could mean less T.V money

Less fans in the stadium equals less revenue

Football is nothing without fans.

The game is dying a death already because of all the new changes and VAR.

We already have enough empty seats. Ridiculous decision!

[Greensunshine]

Overall a really professional statement and delighted the club is taking action - I'll admit I didn't think it was going to happen.

We've acknowledged the issues with our own support and not got into a mud slinging match by naming clubs directly.

Despite my frustration with the result on Sunday, I'm really pleased with the direction the club is heading in.

What direction would that be? An empty stadium? So the Rangers fans sung a
Empty seats all over the shop and w’re taking the moral high ground when our own supporters behaved like animals recently at Tynecastle.

There must be a better way to tackle this.

[Vault Boy]

Excellent start. Silence is complicity. Well done Hibs.

[Hermit Crab]

Can’t fault the board here, finally grown a pair. For years we’ve been **** scared to upset the huns. Those days are gone.

[Forza Fred]

This is a bad move by the club.

All it does is make the game much less of a spectacle.

It could mean less T.V money

Less fans in the stadium equals less revenue

Football is nothing without fans.

The game is dying a death already because of all the new changes and VAR.

We already have enough empty seats. Ridiculous decision!

You are entitled to your opinion, but I’m not sure how having 10’000 people spouting sectarian abuse adds to the attractiveness of a football fixture.

My opinion..a good move and fully supportive of the statement.

[silverhibee]

Have the huns released a statement yet. :lolrangers:

[shamo9]

Good statement. I'm happy to pay extra if it helps Hibs afford to keep out the majority of Celtic and Rangers fans. Stick them in the upper tier and be done with it.

[scm70nyd1973]

As a club this is a very good statement but sadly cutting away supporters costs us money. If we reduced both the Old Firm it’s going to cost us 000’s of thousands of pounds. Sadly we don’t have enough Hibs fans wiling or can afford to attend games to make up the short fall. Rather than ban fans Police Scotland should take action against the ring leaders

To be fair - I think it’s all about the reversal of losing HIBS fans attending than than gaining them. After Sunday my daughter said she’s had enough and will not attend a HIBS v Old Firm game again until HIBS do something about them.

[BILLYHIBS]

This is a bad move by the club.

All it does is make the game much less of a spectacle.

It could mean less T.V money

Less fans in the stadium equals less revenue

Football is nothing without fans.

The game is dying a death already because of all the new changes and VAR.

We already have enough empty seats. Ridiculous decision!

Strongly disagree with almost all of this apart from the part about new changes and VAR killing our game

Sick to the back teeth of decades of racist sectarian abuse, singing songs of hatred and displaying antisocial and unsporting behaviour

Even worse at Ibrox with no protection from Police Glasgow and danger to life thrown in

Remember their treatment of Boyle’s injury and our tribute to our late Chairman

Restrict the Uglies to the bare minimum and watch them try to squeeze 4000 into 500 seats :greengrin

Good times are just around the corner

Better quality is incoming and Hibs will mount more of a challenge

The fans will return families will return and the TV Companies will be queuing up

Let’s fill the Stadium with Hibbies and cheer the boys on

Good to see the club finally making a stand long overdue imho

[flash]

What direction would that be? An empty stadium? So the Rangers fans sung a
Empty seats all over the shop and w’re taking the moral high ground when our own supporters behaved like animals recently at Tynecastle.

There must be a better way to tackle this.

You are at it. Have suspected for a while but this confirms it.

[green day]

What direction would that be? An empty stadium? So the Rangers fans sung a
Empty seats all over the shop and w’re taking the moral high ground when our own supporters behaved like animals recently at Tynecastle.

There must be a better way to tackle this.


This is a bad move by the club.

All it does is make the game much less of a spectacle.

It could mean less T.V money

Less fans in the stadium equals less revenue

Football is nothing without fans.

The game is dying a death already because of all the new changes and VAR.

We already have enough empty seats. Ridiculous decision!

You are very much in the minority - I can only assume you dont actually attend Easter Road to watch football, because anyone who does understands that this is absolutely the right move.

[scm70nyd1973]

You are very much in the minority - I can only assume you dont actually attend Easter Road to watch football, because anyone who does understands that this is absolutely the right move.

👍😁

[Heisenberg]

What direction would that be? An empty stadium? So the Rangers fans sung a
Empty seats all over the shop and w’re taking the moral high ground when our own supporters behaved like animals recently at Tynecastle.

There must be a better way to tackle this.

The club have acknowledged our own fans behaviour recently and will take the appropriate action to sort it. What have the Huns done? They won’t even comment on the sectarian abuse or songs because they fully support that behaviour. **** of the highest order.

[KeithTheHibby]

Have the huns released a statement yet. :lolrangers:

What could it even say? I know these ***** have the biggest brass necks around however how can they complain?
The chat from the AGM mentioned that this was on the cards. They took no notice and continue the bile and disgraceful singing at the next opportunity. They need to look at themselves before playing the victim card.

[GreenCastle]

This is a bad move by the club.

All it does is make the game much less of a spectacle.

It could mean less T.V money

Less fans in the stadium equals less revenue

Football is nothing without fans.

The game is dying a death already because of all the new changes and VAR.

We already have enough empty seats. Ridiculous decision!

Football is nothing without fans ?

The irony of a statement as many Huns and Tic fans are glory hunters and don’t even support their local community team.

Hun fans raging as even though they aren’t named they know they are guilty and less of them will be there at the next game.

Then what happens next..disrespect Hibs and allocation cut again until full stadium ban which wouldn’t bother me one bit.

[DunblaneHibby]

You are very much in the minority - I can only assume you dont actually attend Easter Road to watch football, because anyone who does understands that this is absolutely the right move.

Absolutely

[JimBHibees]

You are very much in the minority - I can only assume you dont actually attend Easter Road to watch football, because anyone who does understands that this is absolutely the right move.

Absolutely

[MrSmith]

Just remember, Scottish football flourished when the the the huns were banished! It has gotten much worse since they returned. Nice one Hibs ��

[Aldo]

This is a bad move by the club.

All it does is make the game much less of a spectacle.

It could mean less T.V money

Less fans in the stadium equals less revenue

Football is nothing without fans.

The game is dying a death already because of all the new changes and VAR.

We already have enough empty seats. Ridiculous decision!

I cannot fathom out if you are trolling or being serious.

Sectarianism is a blight on our society and is socially accepted by the Scottish Government, Police Scotland and the majority of Scottish media outlets. Never mentioned by anyone until the tabloid rags trolled .net and printed it. Why not print it along with the match report. No so there lies the issue.

You comments confirm that you are happy with their bile song book and behaviour every time they come to ER. I think you might be the only one I am aware of that’s happy to sit and listen to it. Tbh I would have cut their allocation after their disgusting Ron Gordon behaviour but Heay it’s done now.

Who cares about a couple of quid I’d rather we didn’t have to listen to that pish!

[Tha Cabbage Kid]

This is a bad move by the club.

All it does is make the game much less of a spectacle.

It could mean less T.V money

Less fans in the stadium equals less revenue

Football is nothing without fans.

The game is dying a death already because of all the new changes and VAR.

We already have enough empty seats. Ridiculous decision!

I think once we have done some housekeeping and clean the mess the old fim make, we will become a better product.

[Trinity Hibee]

Great news. Remember Rangers are actually the ones who started all of this by cutting Celtics allocation because they kept getting beat at ibrox. At least we’ve cut it for non sporting reasons

[CentreLine]

Celtc are just as bad

Agreed but in a different way. I may be off the pace here but I cannot think of any sectarian songs that Celtic fans sing at ER. Their offensive material is more about celebrating terrorism and narrow minded support in Middle East affairs. Equally offensive in the way it is weaponised but is it sectarian?

Maybe the occasional mention of a piece of fruit?? To be fair that fruity organisation is wholly rooted in sectarianism and perhaps should be called out but none of that has any place in an entertainment sport arena.

What I have always found is that the general behaviour of Celtic, in and around the stadium, is worse than that of the the rangers fans. In the meantime the hate filled focus of rangers fans on their religiously based suprematism is their offence

The dilemma is that nobody is prepared to single out one side of the two cheeks for fear of offending the other. It would have been interesting if Hibs had called out the rangers side more strongly than the other cheek and sanction accordingly.

Interesting times ahead, I feel, because one side will amend their behaviour more quickly than the other. When that happens we should reward whichever that side is with more generous seating allocation. That, in turn, will be interpreted as taking sides. We have avoided that for the present but it remains on the horizon.

[Brizo]

Well done to Hibs for having the courage to do something that the SFA, other clubs, media, politicians and police are unwilling or too frightened to address.

For those that say Hibs should have been more specific about The Rangers, i think Hibs have played it perfectly, acknowledging our own supporters shortcomings and including sectarianism among a list of other unacceptable behaviour. The timing of the statement on the back of Sundays game leaves no one in any doubt what the catalyst for its issue has been.

I suspect that on the back of the disgusting behaviour directed towards the late Ron Gordons commemoration last season, our owners have been watching and listening to The Rangers fans behaviour and that the equally disgusting chants as Martin Boyle was being stretchered off on Sunday have been the final straw.

It's the strongest condemnation from the club in my nearly 60 years of following Hibs and interesting that it's taken American owners to speak out about a Scottish problemm.

[hibsbollah]

Agreed but in a different way. I may be off the pace here but I cannot think of any sectarian songs that Celtic fans sing at ER. Their offensive material is more about celebrating terrorism and narrow minded support in Middle East affairs. Equally offensive in the way it is weaponised but is it sectarian?

Maybe the occasional mention of a piece of fruit?? To be fair that fruity organisation is wholly rooted in sectarianism and perhaps should be called out but none of that has any place in an entertainment sport arena.

What I have always found is that the general behaviour of Celtic, in and around the stadium, is worse than that of the the rangers fans. In the meantime the hate filled focus of rangers fans on their religiously based suprematism is their offence

The dilemma is that nobody is prepared to single out one side of the two cheeks for fear of offending the other. It would have been interesting if Hibs had called out the rangers side more strongly than the other cheek and sanction accordingly.

Interesting times ahead, I feel, because one side will amend their behaviour more quickly than the other. When that happens we should reward whichever that side is with more generous seating allocation. That, in turn, will be interpreted as taking sides. We have avoided that for the present but it remains on the horizon.

So flying a Palestinian flag (like block 7 did on Sunday) in solidarity with a people who are being you know, wiped from the face of the earth is just as bad as singing about killing catholics? Interesting take.

You also seem to be over concerned about how we are perceived in relation to the old firm divide. Im not interested in the old firm divide, or whether we prefer celtic to rangers or if we’re the edinburgh ‘tic or any of that weegie chat. It’s irrelevant to me. If by calling out rangers behaviour that makes them think we are just pandering to celtic, fine. They would probably think that anyway, who cares? This is about us.

[Steve20]

Fair enough if the stadium gets filled and we don’t miss out on any money.

But I struggle to believe there’s a few thousand that don’t turn up just because the Old Firm sing songs that are offensive.

[MKHIBEE]

[QUOTE=flash;7610635]Have to disagree. It's not football without two sets of supporters.[i


Have to disagree. Footballs football, with or without supporters, not a sectarian theatre to spout outdated, and illegal, nonsense.

[MKHIBEE]

Think someone did the math and it equates to £400k over the season. Assuming 4 OF games a season.

J

£80000 goes to the VAT man

[Libby Hibby]

Fair enough if the stadium gets filled and we don’t miss out on any money.

But I struggle to believe there’s a few thousand that don’t turn up just because the Old Firm sing songs that are offensive.

I may be in the minority but this isn’t about filling stadiums. This is about our club protecting our fans from the socially unacceptable singing that the old firm fans bring.

If our stadium is half full when their allocation has been cut, that doesn’t bother me one bit. I have a feeling that it may actually have an opposite effect.

[green day]

Fair enough if the stadium gets filled and we don’t miss out on any money.

But I struggle to believe there’s a few thousand that don’t turn up just because the Old Firm sing songs that are offensive.

I dont think that Hibs board imagine that these seats will be instantly filled.

Maybe they are comfortable with the financial hit and have a way of covering the loss in earnings that doesnt impact the playing squad.

We dont know what the numbers are yet - most of us would limit them to 400, but at this point we dont really know.

[Pretty Boy]

Fair enough if the stadium gets filled and we don’t miss out on any money.

But I struggle to believe there’s a few thousand that don’t turn up just because the Old Firm sing songs that are offensive.

I don't think there are 2 or 3000 fans actively staying away when we play Rangers. There are certainly a few but not thousands.

I do think football fans are willing to rally round and support their club when they do the right thing though and I firmly believe there will be people who attend the next Rangers game because Hibs have taken this step. I bored everyone to death on the thread about the Foley investment explaining why I don't believe in just giving Hibs money for 'nothing' anymore, and others said they felt broadly the same. In an instance like this, I would happily pay £30 or whatever to cover the cost of a ticket or support a fund to give tickets away to community groups or something to help Hibs cover any financial shortfall. Again that's because the club have stepped up and done the right thing.

The biggest takeaway from this for me is that the club have listened to their own fans rather than be paralysed by the fear of upsetting Rangers that we have come to expect in Scottish football. That is to be applauded and again is a reason why I would be willing to give a wee bit extra to help out.

[James Stephen]

So flying a Palestinian flag (like block 7 did on Sunday) in solidarity with a people who are being you know, wiped from the face of the earth is just as bad as singing about killing catholics? Interesting take.

You also seem to be over concerned about how we are perceived in relation to the old firm divide. Im not interested in the old firm divide, or whether we prefer celtic to rangers or if we’re the edinburgh ‘tic or any of that weegie chat. It’s irrelevant to me. If by calling out rangers behaviour that makes them think we are just pandering to celtic, fine. They would probably think that anyway, who cares? This is about us.

I think your point highlights the downside of this move (which, fwiw, I support). There is a difference between things that are illegal (racism, anti-catholicism) and things many people don't like, even most people don't like (Irish folk songs, songs about the IRA). Equally your point about Palestinian flag.

The difficulty for Hibs is that you potentially create a situation where every individual fan feels they have the right to 'not be offended' at the match, which is impossible. Also, football fans are usually being deliberately offensive, and that includes Hibs fans.

Whether people like it or not, Celtic fans tend to be far more about politics, and as someone else pointed out I can't think of many songs they sing that are sectarian, anti protestant, or racist. Rangers are different, and tend to be far more hate-filled and anti someone, because their identity is defined as being against Irish catholics in a way that no other club's is.

But ultimately Hibs need to cater for their own fans, and I think it may also have a marginal gain on the pitch, or dare I say, influencing referees.

[3pm]

I don't think there are 2 or 3000 fans actively staying away when we play Rangers. There are certainly a few but not thousands.

I do think football fans are willing to rally round and support their club when they do the right thing though and I firmly believe there will be people who attend the next Rangers game because Hibs have taken this step. I bored everyone to death on the thread about the Foley investment explaining why I don't believe in just giving Hibs money for 'nothing' anymore, and others said they felt broadly the same. In an instance like this, I would happily pay £30 or whatever to cover the cost of a ticket or support a fund to give tickets away to community groups or something to help Hibs cover any financial shortfall. Again that's because the club have stepped up and done the right thing.

The biggest takeaway from this for me is that the club have listened to their own fans rather than be paralysed by the fear of upsetting Rangers that we have come to expect in Scottish football. That is to be applauded and again is a reason whilst i would be willing to give a wee bit extra to help out.

I am sure there is no merit in this but wondered if this is where HSL could work with Hibs re the shortfall.

I'd restart my DD if I thought it would help.

[CentreLine]

So flying a Palestinian flag (like block 7 did on Sunday) in solidarity with a people who are being you know, wiped from the face of the earth is just as bad as singing about killing catholics? Interesting take.

You also seem to be over concerned about how we are perceived in relation to the old firm divide. Im not interested in the old firm divide, or whether we prefer celtic to rangers or if we’re the edinburgh ‘tic or any of that weegie chat. It’s irrelevant to me. If by calling out rangers behaviour that makes them think we are just pandering to celtic, fine. They would probably think that anyway, who cares? This is about us.

You will find I said none of that but it’s certainly an interesting take on a very narrow view of what I did say.

[Libby Hibby]

I am sure there is no merit in this but wondered if this is where HSL could work with Hibs re the shortfall.

I'd restart my DD if I thought it would help.

Great idea and what that should be fully embraced.

[hibsbollah]

You will find I said none of that but it’s certainly an interesting take on a very narrow view of what I did say.

You said by dabbling in middle eastern affairs it was ‘equally offensive in the way it is weaponised’. Which sounds very much the same thing. You could clarify but that might take us off topic.

On to the point made about different points of view, id say its more to do with the conditions of entry to the stadium. We have long ago stopped expecting the police to do anything about sectarian singing. But its against the conditions of entry to our stadium. Different people find different things offensive but there are some things that we have specified as a club that you wont be welcome if you do (and that would very likely include flying any flag considered a political statement in a european competition, if we’re lucky enough to start qualifying for them regularly).

[The Spaceman]

Delighted with this decision. We’ve said no to bigotry and hatred.

Look forward to a much quieter and less blue away end in the future. It’s about time.

[SON OF PADDY]

Will they get held back now like we do?


Hold them back for 20 minutes,at the very least.

[SON OF PADDY]

As a club this is a very good statement but sadly cutting away supporters costs us money. If we reduced both the Old Firm it’s going to cost us 000’s of thousands of pounds. Sadly we don’t have enough Hibs fans wiling or can afford to attend games to make up the short fall. Rather than ban fans Police Scotland should take action against the ring leaders

Police Scotland, are part of the problem!

[.Sean.]

Approx £140000 which equates to less than 1% of turnover.
I think this needs to be highlighted and put in bold for anyone worried about the money we ‘rake in’ selling them the full stand

Policing costs will surely be less and you’d like to think that with the club now having done their bit the fans will follow suit next time they visit and buy up seats in the Dunbar End

I also don’t think everyone realises and underestimates the boost Celtic and the Huns get of having an overcrowded, pished and charlied up away end that is usually in (begrudging) fairness rocking. No more :na na:

[Posh Swanny]

Fair enough if the stadium gets filled and we don’t miss out on any money.

But I struggle to believe there’s a few thousand that don’t turn up just because the Old Firm sing songs that are offensive.

Conversation overheard (maybe) between Foley and Kit Gordon last night.

Foley: are they always like that? Bit crass when Boyle was lying on the ground unconscious, was it not?

Kit: sadly, yes. You should have heard them during my darling Ron's tribute. 😢

Foley: why do we put up with it? Why don't we cut their allocation?

Kit: that would cost us hundreds each season, Bill.

Foley: Hundreds of millions?

Kit: Haha! No Bill, this is Scotland. Hundreds of thousands.

Foley: HUNDREDS OF THOU... ******s sake, right ******ing tin pot league I've bought into here - cut the allocation now please Kit.

[flash]

Hopefully another effect of this action will be for us to get our house in order too.
Songs about dead queens and, particularly abhorrent, stadium disasters have no place at Easter Road not to mention a section of our support being comfortably the worst in Scotland for missile throwing

[GreenCastle]

Fair enough if the stadium gets filled and we don’t miss out on any money.

But I struggle to believe there’s a few thousand that don’t turn up just because the Old Firm sing songs that are offensive.

This isn’t about money.

It’s more important than that.

Would rather be skint and have no old firm fans than loaded and a full away end.

It’s not just in the stadium - it’s the surrounding areas on match days and the affect it has on the local community.

Can imagine fans who live near Easter Road hate having old firm come to town too.

That’s the only good thing about Hampden being in Glasgow we don’t have to see them more often.

[One Day Soon]

I think this needs to be highlighted and put in bold for anyone worried about the money we ‘rake in’ selling them the full stand

Policing costs will surely be less and you’d like to think that with the club now having done their bit the fans will follow suit next time they visit and buy up seats in the Dunbar End

I also don’t think everyone realises and underestimates the boost Celtic and the Huns get of having an overcrowded, pished and charlied up away end that is usually in (begrudging) fairness rocking. No more :na na:


This a secondary point to the main issue for me but its a big and important secondary point. They get a huge benefit from this. You're right to point it out.

The crafting of the club statement and its timing is actually a masterstroke, providing it is 'followed on' with actual reductions in allocations - substantial ones. If this is the start of us growing a pair and showing some teeth alongside the imminent inward investment it will go a long way to restoring my faith in the leadership at the top of the club.

In my view a football ground is a perfectly fine place for people to assert their identity inoffensively and if that involves Union Jacks, Saltires, tricolours or whatever then so be it. In my view the sham political posturing of Ugly Sister supporters adopting Palestinian or Israeli flags just to wind each other up is pathetic and I'd rather not see it at Easter Road either, but it is not illegal or offensive and fans should be well within their rights to do that sort of thing if they feel they want to.

Much more importantly, looking at social media I am bound to wonder what it could possibly be about the two cancerous Glasgow clubs that has allowed them for over 100 years to <checks notes> have a fan base that, uniquely in Scotland, transcends all geographical boundaries both nationally and internationally in the way that no other clubs do?

What on earth might have created and sustained a binary division of so many people, generating massively greater revenue to those institutions than anyone else could manage, bringing dominance and spoils out of all proportion and then over the last 24 hours cause so many of these same people who detest one another to appear on social media actually defending each other against outside criticism?

What disgustingly immoral economic model could they conceivably have such a high vested financial interest in defending beyond all reason? And why are our normally opinionated and voluble football commentariat struck so dumb on the same matter?

Succulent, succulent lamb indeed.

[Gorebridge Hibb]

Hopefully another effect of this action will be for us to get our house in order too.
Songs about dead queens and, particularly abhorrent, stadium disasters have no place at Easter Road not to mention a section of our support being comfortably the worst in Scotland for missile throwing

Totally agree 👍

[JimBHibees]

This a secondary point to the main issue for me but its a big and important secondary point. They get a huge benefit from this. You're right to point it out.

The crafting of the club statement and its timing is actually a masterstroke, providing it is 'followed on' with actual reductions in allocations - substantial ones. If this is the start of us growing a pair and showing some teeth alongside the imminent inward investment it will go a long way to restoring my faith in the leadership at the top of the club.

In my view a football ground is a perfectly fine place for people to assert their identity inoffensively and if that involves Union Jacks, Saltires, tricolours or whatever then so be it. In my view the sham political posturing of Ugly Sister supporters adopting Palestinian or Israeli flags just to wind each other up is pathetic and I'd rather not see it at Easter Road either, but it is not illegal or offensive and fans should be well within their rights to do that sort of thing if they feel they want to.

Much more importantly, looking at social media I am bound to wonder what it could possibly be about the two cancerous Glasgow clubs that has allowed them for over 100 years to <checks notes> have a fan base that, uniquely in Scotland, transcends all geographical boundaries both nationally and internationally in the way that no other clubs do?

What on earth might have created and sustained a binary division of so many people, generating massively greater revenue to those institutions than anyone else could manage, bringing dominance and spoils out of all proportion and then over the last 24 hours cause so many of these same people who detest one another to appear on social media actually defending each other against outside criticism?

What disgustingly immoral economic model could they conceivably have such a high vested financial interest in defending beyond all reason? And why are our normally opinionated and voluble football commentariat struck so dumb on the same matter?

Succulent, succulent lamb indeed.

Brilliant post

[GreenCastle]

The Lennon 5-5 game - less Huns in the ground. Hibs fans in south stand.

Felt around that time we stood up to them more and this is a good start to say we won’t be soft touches.

I can imagine even Monty wasn’t happy with a full away end - he wants to keep his job and why would he be happy with the opposition getting as much help as they need.

[Rumble de Thump]

The Sevco fans will need to squeeze four or five numpties through the gate per ticket now.

[Carheenlea]

If we reduce them to 500 tickets then it’s probably still these types of oddballs who are given the tickets from Rangers. The Blue Bears or whatever they call themselves.

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[blackpoolhibs]

Have to disagree. It's not football without two sets of supporters.



I agree, and would accept a stand full of supporters full of The Rangers fans, i dont accept a stand full of bigots.

[flash]

I agree, and would accept a stand full of supporters full of The Rangers fans, i dont accept a stand full of bigots.

I don't want a full stand of them so I would cut the allocation and, if things don't improve, seriously consider shutting them out altogether.

[lucky]

I am sure there is no merit in this but wondered if this is where HSL could work with Hibs re the shortfall.

I'd restart my DD if I thought it would help.

That's a sensible thing to suggest but highly unlikely to go anywhere as HSL want a seat on the board and shares in the club.

[Greensunshine]

I cannot fathom out if you are trolling or being serious.

Sectarianism is a blight on our society and is socially accepted by the Scottish Government, Police Scotland and the majority of Scottish media outlets. Never mentioned by anyone until the tabloid rags trolled .net and printed it. Why not print it along with the match report. No so there lies the issue.

You comments confirm that you are happy with their bile song book and behaviour every time they come to ER. I think you might be the only one I am aware of that’s happy to sit and listen to it. Tbh I would have cut their allocation after their disgusting Ron Gordon behaviour but Heay it’s done now.

Who cares about a couple of quid I’d rather we didn’t have to listen to that pish!

I think we’re be hypocritical. I think it’s upto the authorities to come up with solutions to try and stop them singing their bile.
However it’s a wee bit rich coming from us, considering the poor behaviour of a minority of our supporters and some of the songs that have been heard of late.

I think if you go down the route of cutting allocations or banning away fans then all you end up with is a much poorer spectacle.

There’s other ways this could be handled.

Better ideas that doesn’t lump the ordinary law abiding supporters in with the rest.

[green day]

I think we’re be hypocritical. I think it’s upto the authorities to come up with solutions to try and stop them singing their bile.
However it’s a wee bit rich coming from us, considering the poor behaviour of a minority of our supporters and some of the songs that have been heard of late.

I think if you go down the route of cutting allocations or banning away fans then all you end up with is a much poorer spectacle.

There’s other ways this could be handled.

Better ideas that doesn’t lump the ordinary law abiding supporters in with the rest.

Name them.

[BoomtownHibees]

I think we’re be hypocritical. I think it’s upto the authorities to come up with solutions to try and stop them singing their bile.
However it’s a wee bit rich coming from us, considering the poor behaviour of a minority of our supporters and some of the songs that have been heard of late.

I think if you go down the route of cutting allocations or banning away fans then all you end up with is a much poorer spectacle.

There’s other ways this could be handled.

Better ideas that doesn’t lump the ordinary law abiding supporters in with the rest.

Like what? How else could it be handled?

It’s been going on since I started going to games and nothing has ever been done so it’s about time our own club took it on themselves. Well done Hibernian

[Greensunshine]

You are entitled to your opinion, but I’m not sure how having 10’000 people spouting sectarian abuse adds to the attractiveness of a football fixture.

My opinion..a good move and fully supportive of the statement.

Fair enough pal. I respect your opinion but I don’t agree. I wish everyone was a wee bit more grown up like yourself when disagreeing.

II’m currently being outed as a supporter of another team simply because I’m in the minority regards my opinions! Pretty pathetic to say the least!

[blackpoolhibs]

Could this site maybe start a fund raising scheme for people to donate the amount another ticket would cost that offsets the money the club would lose?

I'm sure there is a way for the club to recieve money other than through ticket sales that is not taxed, but i'm too thick to understand how?

Win win. :greengrin

[Aldo]

I think we’re be hypocritical. I think it’s upto the authorities to come up with solutions to try and stop them singing their bile.
However it’s a wee bit rich coming from us, considering the poor behaviour of a minority of our supporters and some of the songs that have been heard of late.

I think if you go down the route of cutting allocations or banning away fans then all you end up with is a much poorer spectacle.

There’s other ways this could be handled.

Better ideas that doesn’t lump the ordinary law abiding supporters in with the rest.

It’s Hibs Gig. It’s an event taking place at ER so we as a club need to take responsibility and we now have.

Again are you really being serious hypercritical. First Ron and now this. Bile spouted from all who attend every single week.

Are you a Hibs fan and have you read the statement. Once you’ve read it properly come back to me. It covers pretty much everything we as a club need to do moving forward.

It’s there in black and white.

[Ringothedog]

I am sure there is no merit in this but wondered if this is where HSL could work with Hibs re the shortfall.

I'd restart my DD if I thought it would help.

I would increase my DD from £10 to £20 per month if I knew the extra was being used to help Hibs with this initiative.

[Frazerbob]

I think we’re be hypocritical. I think it’s upto the authorities to come up with solutions to try and stop them singing their bile.
However it’s a wee bit rich coming from us, considering the poor behaviour of a minority of our supporters and some of the songs that have been heard of late.

I think if you go down the route of cutting allocations or banning away fans then all you end up with is a much poorer spectacle.

There’s other ways this could be handled.

Better ideas that doesn’t lump the ordinary law abiding supporters in with the rest.

A small number of idiots, who the club are trying to deal with and 99% of the greater fan base call out as idiots is hardly the same as decades of thousands of fans coming into our stadium and signing sectarian songs en-masse whilst their club actively encourages it or 4 stands at Ibrox filled with 40-50000 fans chanting vile, bigoted songs targeting 2 of our recent managers. Add in the Ron Gordon tribute and law breaking around pyros and their really is no comparison to be made.

Genuinely interested to hear the other ways you think this could be handled though.

[green day]

It’s Hibs Gig. It’s an event taking place at ER so we as a club need to take responsibility and we now have.

Again are you really being serious hypercritical. First Ron and now this. Bile spouted from all who attend every single week.

Are you a Hibs fan and have you read the statement. Once you’ve read it properly come back to me. It covers pretty much everything we as a club need to do moving forward.

It’s there in black and white.

I am starting to have my doubts if he actually attends, based on his posts.

[Jones28]

https://www.followfollow.com/forum/threads/hibs-statement-reducing-away-allocation.267474/page-3

I made it to page three, not one acknowledgment of the disgusting song they were singing about Boyle as he was lying on the pitch out cold and being given oxygen, however lots of references to all the songs we sing about the Queen and invading the pitch at Hampden.

One of the ****ing weirdos is even asking why we didnt release a similar statement about banners at Celtic park the last time we played there?

It's quite astonishing how good they are at whataboutery, they make us seem amateur in comparison.

[matty_f]

[urlhttps://twitter.com/bbcchrismclaug/status/1767445918322741723?s=61&t=1h-4wJql4MO68HYQDxKByQ[/url]

This shows the extent of how blinkered the media are to it, to ask if there is a problem... what sort of a question is that?! You're at the grounds and in the middle of it every week, FFS. Anyone with working eyes and/or ears can tell you there's a problem.

He should have been asking why he and his colleagues have turned a blind eye to it for decades.

[One Day Soon]

Brilliant post

Thanks JB. I'm just stating what I have previously a number of times on here.

To me what they have both been up to since their inception looks like a Scottish football version of disaster capitalism. It's exploitative, dangerous and revolting.

[Greensunshine]

You are at it. Have suspected for a while but this confirms it.

I’m happy to meet up with you before, during or after the Livi game Flash!


PM if you like. I’m happy to tell you who I am. Ive got nothing to hide.
I’m a nice guy honest! 😂

This is my opinion. It may well go against the majority but I’m not deliberately being controversial.
I just think this is the wrong way to go. Banning away supporters or cutting allocations just makes our game as a whole a poorer spectacle for everyone. It has many repercussions. You only need to look at what it’s done for the ugly sisters.
That Old Firm game has lost its appeal since they stopped the away allocation. I don’t want that to happen at Easter Road.

I think the authorities need to come up with better solutions rather than us being reactive to what we all felt was the disgraceful and disgusting abuse of Martin Boyle!

[GreenCastle]

I’m happy to meet up with you before, during or after the Livi game Flash!


PM if you like. I’m happy to tell you who I am. Ive got nothing to hide.
I’m a nice guy honest! 😂

This is my opinion. It may well go against the majority but I’m not deliberately being controversial.
I just think this is the wrong way to go. Banning away supporters or cutting allocations just makes our game as a whole a poorer spectacle for everyone. It has many repercussions. You only need to look at what it’s done for the ugly sisters.
That Old Firm game has lost its appeal since they stopped the away allocation. I don’t want that to happen at Easter Road.

I think the authorities need to come up with better solutions rather than us being reactive to what we all felt was the disgraceful and disgusting abuse of Martin Boyle!

Old firm game appeal?

Only 2 sets of fans really care - the rest of the world don’t.

There is more to Scottish football than the old firm.

Old firm can’t exactly talk about ticket allocations as they are the ones who spat the dummy out the pram in the men and recent women’s games at Ibrox.

Even a few years ago the youth cup final between Rangers and Celtic had to be behind closed doors as fans can’t be trusted.

Can’t take the old firm seriously until they sort out their behaviour. Green Brigade banned this season - Union Bears constantly doing weird stuff around Glasgow - both old firm clubs can’t control their fans simply.

[CropleyWasGod]

I’m happy to meet up with you before, during or after the Livi game Flash!


PM if you like. I’m happy to tell you who I am. Ive got nothing to hide.
I’m a nice guy honest! ��

This is my opinion. It may well go against the majority but I’m not deliberately being controversial.
I just think this is the wrong way to go. Banning away supporters or cutting allocations just makes our game as a whole a poorer spectacle for everyone. It has many repercussions. You only need to look at what it’s done for the ugly sisters.
That Old Firm game has lost its appeal since they stopped the away allocation. I don’t want that to happen at Easter Road.

I think the authorities need to come up with better solutions rather than us being reactive to what we all felt was the disgraceful and disgusting abuse of Martin Boyle!

Thing is,, "the authorities" did come up with a better solution. Strict liability, as UEFA have. However, the clubs rejected it when it was proposed some years ago; I'm not sure they would feel any different now.

So Hibs (and others) doing what they are doing is about the best they can do.

As for "a poorer spectacle for everyone". Personally, I'm not interested in a spectacle where fans sing about stuff that has f all to do with football, which insults people who are perceived to be different, and where I run the risk of being hit by a missile.

And.. we are not being reactive to what happened to Boyle. We are being reactive to something that has been going on for at least the last 50 years.

[Greensunshine]

A small number of idiots, who the club are trying to deal with and 99% of the greater fan base call out as idiots is hardly the same as decades of thousands of fans coming into our stadium and signing sectarian songs en-masse whilst their club actively encourages it or 4 stands at Ibrox filled with 40-50000 fans chanting vile, bigoted songs targeting 2 of our recent managers. Add in the Ron Gordon tribute and law breaking around pyros and their really is no comparison to be made.

Genuinely interested to hear the other ways you think this could be handled though.

I think you target individuals. You make examples of them. We have the technology ( zoom cameras ) we know every individual responsible for that ticketed seat.

It’s upto the authorities to put the onus on the individual clubs. Huge fines, points deductions and maybe not allowing them to proceed through the rounds of a competition if their supporters can’t behave.
They could appoint someone ( complete incognito 😂whose job it would be to assess the behaviour of fans and make bold decisions to stop this.

[One Day Soon]

I think you target individuals. You make examples of them. We have the technology ( zoom cameras ) we know every individual responsible for that ticketed seat.

It’s upto the authorities to put the onus on the individual clubs. Huge fines, points deductions and maybe not allowing them to proceed through the rounds of a competition if their supporters can’t behave.
They could appoint someone ( complete incognito 😂whose job it would be to assess the behaviour of fans and make bold decisions to stop this.


The reduction is the punishment. What you are outlining is a framework for what should come next. I'd be arresting and charging ten or twenty or so every game on the basis above until it stops. And BTW, I'd be doing the same with our moronic vape etc throwers.

[Greensunshine]

Thing is,, "the authorities" did come up with a better solution. Strict liability, as UEFA have. However, the clubs rejected it when it was proposed some years ago; I'm not sure they would feel any different now.

So Hibs (and others) doing what they are doing is about the best they can do.

As for "a poorer spectacle for everyone". Personally, I'm not interested in a spectacle where fans sing about stuff that has f all to do with football, which insults people who are perceived to be different, and where I run the risk of being hit by a missile.

And.. we are not being reactive to what happened to Boyle. We are being reactive to something that has been going on for at least the last 50 years.

What you’re describing is something that goes on in football all over the world. Have you ever been to Italy, Greece, Turkey or even England.

What’s going on here in Scotland is nothing compared to what’s going on around the world but I agree that the authorities need to act to try and come up with better solutions.
I just think this is reactive reaction from us and I don’t think it’s the best way to go about it.

[truehibernian]

[urlhttps://twitter.com/bbcchrismclaug/status/1767445918322741723?s=61&t=1h-4wJql4MO68HYQDxKByQ[/url]

This shows the extent of how blinkered the media are to it, to ask if there is a problem... what sort of a question is that?! You're at the grounds and in the middle of it every week, FFS. Anyone with working eyes and/or ears can tell you there's a problem.

He should have been asking why he and his colleagues have turned a blind eye to it for decades.

It’s exactly what I posted last night Matty, I just knew their opening stance would be “is there a problem?” rather than “there is a problem, what can we all do to eradicate it”.

The BBC have been in fear of The Rangers for decades - you only need to look at the Jim Spence affair, Michael Stewart being withdrawn, and poacher turned gamekeeper Traynor to know they ain’t going to upset the Old Firm, particularly The Rangers. It’s all about The Rangers - for once Levein was bang on years ago and it remains the case today. Sportsound is complicit as are the wider BBC in being a silent bystander to it all.

[Kato]

I agree, and would accept a stand full of supporters full of The Rangers fans, i dont accept a stand full of bigots.Well said, BH.

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[blackpoolhibs]

I think you target individuals. You make examples of them. We have the technology ( zoom cameras ) we know every individual responsible for that ticketed seat.

It’s upto the authorities to put the onus on the individual clubs. Huge fines, points deductions and maybe not allowing them to proceed through the rounds of a competition if their supporters can’t behave.
They could appoint someone ( complete incognito 😂whose job it would be to assess the behaviour of fans and make bold decisions to stop this.

Do you not wonder why this does not seem to happen to huns, but we hear about our supporters getting arrested and banned, rightly in my opinion for their discretions?

[Kato]

I think we’re be hypocritical. I think it’s upto the authorities to come up with solutions to try and stop them singing their bile.
However it’s a wee bit rich coming from us, considering the poor behaviour of a minority of our supporters and some of the songs that have been heard of late.

I think if you go down the route of cutting allocations or banning away fans then all you end up with is a much poorer spectacle.

There’s other ways this could be handled.

Better ideas that doesn’t lump the ordinary law abiding supporters in with the rest.

Naive or taking the piss?

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[CropleyWasGod]

I think you target individuals. You make examples of them. We have the technology ( zoom cameras ) we know every individual responsible for that ticketed seat.

It’s upto the authorities to put the onus on the individual clubs. Huge fines, points deductions and maybe not allowing them to proceed through the rounds of a competition if their supporters can’t behave.
They could appoint someone ( complete incognito 😂whose job it would be to assess the behaviour of fans and make bold decisions to stop this.

I don't think you read my previous post.

We don't have that because the clubs didn't want it, and probably still don't.

[Greensunshine]

The reduction is the punishment. What you are outlining is a framework for what should come next. I'd be arresting and charging ten or twenty or so every game on the basis above until it stops. And BTW, I'd be doing the same with our moronic vape etc throwers.

Arresting groups of them would get the message through loud and clear and so you wouldn’t need to go down the route of cutting allocations or banning away supporters completely.

[Not So Young]

Well done to the board. It is the right thing to do.

They can't say they haven't been warned, and they have now got plenty of notice so they can organise their away ticket sales plan accordingly

[One Day Soon]

Arresting groups of them would get the message through loud and clear and so you wouldn’t need to go down the route of cutting allocations or banning away supporters completely.

We don't control Police Scotland operational practices. We do control who comes into our ground and what goes on in our ground.

[Greensunshine]

Naive or taking the piss?

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I might be being naive but I’m certainly not taking the piss mate. It’s just an opinion.
Do you honestly think that cutting their allocation will stop them singing their sectarian bile???

[Basildon Hibs]

Dunno about reduced police presence.

Both the Uglies social media sites have been quite open about the number of their fans who travel without a ticket and ‘rush’ the turnstiles at Easter Road to gain entry.

No doubt that is going to increase substantially unless the polis police it better than they currently do.

Hertz manage to keep them to their allocated numbers at Tiny, so I'm sure we will be able to.

[Basildon Hibs]

I might be being naive but I’m certainly not taking the piss mate. It’s just an opinion.
Do you honestly think that cutting their allocation will stop them singing their sectarian bile???

Once there are multiple cctv cameras trained on them, it'll be easy to pick the culprits out. Naming and shaming comes easy after that.

[SHODAN]

Once there are multiple cctv cameras trained on them, it'll be easy to pick the culprits out. Naming and shaming comes easy after that.

:agree:

It's amazing how our super duper fantastic awesome modern camera system can pick out every single home supporter with perfect precision but has an enormous blind spot comprising the entire away stand whenever the OF scream bigotry or let off 1000 flares.

[Kato]

I might be being naive but I’m certainly not taking the piss mate. It’s just an opinion.
Do you honestly think that cutting their allocation will stop them singing their sectarian bile???No. But there will less of them and we won't be allowing them to steam into our ground en mass, many without tickets.

On the other hand what exactly do you think the "authorities" are going to do? Haven't been to Ibrox in years but I know some Hibs fans get lifted for nowt whereas their fans are allowed to chuck things, pour pish down from the stand above while goading and screaming at Hibs fans for most of the match and the "authorities", in this case the police, stand back and have a giggle.

Thinking the authorities are going to do anything is naive. Many times they are either part of the problem or conveniently blind and deaf to the worst perpetrators.

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[CropleyWasGod]

:agree:

It's amazing how our super duper fantastic awesome modern camera system can pick out every single home supporter with perfect precision but has an enormous blind spot comprising the entire away stand whenever the OF scream bigotry or let off 1000 flares.

On the chanting bit, I'm not sure where we or the Police stand.

You might have a CCTV image of someone "singing something". But with no sound there is no proof of what that "something" is.

Sure, there could be lip-reading employed to work it out. But how do you prove that that person is actually singing and not just mouthing the words?

Would be an easy one for a defence lawyer I would have thought.

Should we mic up the fans? :greengrin

[Aldo]

[urlhttps://twitter.com/bbcchrismclaug/status/1767445918322741723?s=61&t=1h-4wJql4MO68HYQDxKByQ[/url]

This shows the extent of how blinkered the media are to it, to ask if there is a problem... what sort of a question is that?! You're at the grounds and in the middle of it every week, FFS. Anyone with working eyes and/or ears can tell you there's a problem.

He should have been asking why he and his colleagues have turned a blind eye to it for decades.


I mentioned earlier that they only reported it after trolling this forum. Why not in the
Match report.

You can guarantee that Sky will have their pitch side mikes turned off this weekend.

I would ask though what are the SFA and SPFL are doing about this? IIRC UEFA fined them and they had part of their stadium closed as a result of Sectarian singing away to a Polish team.

I await the response from the relevant footballing authorities on how we move forward. But we will never ever see or hear from Them about their fans behaviour as they portray themselves as always the victim.

[Chorley Hibee]

https://www.followfollow.com/forum/threads/hibs-statement-reducing-away-allocation.267474/page-3

I made it to page three, not one acknowledgment of the disgusting song they were singing about Boyle as he was lying on the pitch out cold and being given oxygen, however lots of references to all the songs we sing about the Queen and invading the pitch at Hampden.

One of the ****ing weirdos is even asking why we didnt release a similar statement about banners at Celtic park the last time we played there?

It's quite astonishing how good they are at whataboutery, they make us seem amateur in comparison.

My favourite greetin' faced line was this cracker.

"A great country spoiled by the small-mindedness of it's people"

Utterly oblivious to it.

**** of the highest order.

[scm70nyd1973]

So flying a Palestinian flag (like block 7 did on Sunday) in solidarity with a people who are being you know, wiped from the face of the earth is just as bad as singing about killing catholics? Interesting take.

You also seem to be over concerned about how we are perceived in relation to the old firm divide. Im not interested in the old firm divide, or whether we prefer celtic to rangers or if we’re the edinburgh ‘tic or any of that weegie chat. It’s irrelevant to me. If by calling out rangers behaviour that makes them think we are just pandering to celtic, fine. They would probably think that anyway, who cares? This is about us.


Let’s not kid ourselves on here - Hamas murdered 100s of innocent Jews and captured and currently hold several hostages. Many Muslim countries have openly said they would like to see Israel wiped off the face of the earth.

The Israelis have gone too far methinks but it’s not all one sided.

That conflict should be set aside as far as the bringing it in to the debate about the reasons for cutting the Old Firm’s allocations

[Frazerbob]

I think you target individuals. You make examples of them. We have the technology ( zoom cameras ) we know every individual responsible for that ticketed seat.

It’s upto the authorities to put the onus on the individual clubs. Huge fines, points deductions and maybe not allowing them to proceed through the rounds of a competition if their supporters can’t behave.
They could appoint someone ( complete incognito 😂whose job it would be to assess the behaviour of fans and make bold decisions to stop this.

How do you target 3500 fans like the other night? As we know from Tynie, folk don't sit in their allocated seats, the police are not interested in going into crowds to lift folk....it would cause a riot, CCTV is only any good if you know the perpetrator. Unfortunately folk don't wear name badges, indeed many now wear balaclavas. It is more for prosecution after arrest. What you describe re point deductions etc is Strict Liability.....that has been knocked back by the clubs, including ours unfortunately. Rangers have a history of the near entire stadium singing sectarian songs for decades. It's not a few bams. 3500 fans the other night, punish them all.

[joe breezy]

The Hibs ultras were singing orange bassas quite a lot - and it spread to where I was sitting - I didn't enjoy it.

I got the STs for me and my Dad - I hate sectarianism and so does he - and singing orange bassa feels part of the same crap.
I despise the Orange lodge and their antiquated hate but I prefer Hibs songs.

I respect Hibs heritage and am against anti Irish racism but I prefer when Hibs just sing Hibs songs as were being sang loud and clear from the East Stand.

[Frazerbob]

Once there are multiple cctv cameras trained on them, it'll be easy to pick the culprits out. Naming and shaming comes easy after that.

Does it? How do you name someone from a CCTV image who dresses like hundreds of others, wears a balaclava and doesn't display a name badge? CCTV is used for evidence after an arrest, not to identify individuals in a large crowd.

[Frazerbob]

Let’s not kid ourselves on here - Hamas murdered 100s of innocent Jews and captured and currently hold several hostages. Many Muslim countries have openly said they would like to see Israel wiped off the face of the earth.

The Israelis have gone too far methinks but it’s not all one sided.

That conflict should be set aside as far as the bringing it in to the debate about the reasons for cutting the Old Firm’s allocations

Probably not for here, as you say but Hamas and Palestine are not the same thing.

[hhibs]

Fair enough if the stadium gets filled and we don’t miss out on any money.

But I struggle to believe there’s a few thousand that don’t turn up just because the Old Firm sing songs that are offensive.



THey do not go because of the constant threats and fear of violence that their presence generates and ,their vile chants.


It will take some time but it can bring more of our fans back to the stadium

[Phil MaGlass]

Could this site maybe start a fund raising scheme for people to donate the amount another ticket would cost that offsets the money the club would lose?

I'm sure there is a way for the club to recieve money other than through ticket sales that is not taxed, but i'm too thick to understand how?

Win win. :greengrin
I think depending on by how much their allocation is cut by there will be a bigger uptake from Hibs fans willing to support this. Just hope they don't cut the Aberdeen allocation, they bring good numbers

[JimBHibees]

My favourite greeting faced line was this cracker.

"A great country spoiled by the small-mindedness of it's people"

Utterly oblivious to it.

**** of the highest order.

The lack of self awareness is frightening there.

[whiskyhibby]

Problem is that even when the allocation is cut we’ll still have to hear the songs. Say it’s cut from 4k to 1k, well 1k can still make more than enough noise.

Every game where offensive chants happen, you further cut their allocation, and each time it happens, the same, until zero if need be.

likewise if they behave then increase the allocation, its them their choice

if Police Scotland can’t take action against 3500 , then you ask them what the number is for them to arrest individuals on the day, if need be, again if its zero then that is a PS choice.

Also I would get Rangers to provide details of every individual who wants a ticket, Hibs issue them directly by post and do an identification check at the turnstile, no photo I.D. With the ticketed address, then you don’t get in

[Coach Jon]

On the chanting bit, I'm not sure where we or the Police stand.

You might have a CCTV image of someone "singing something". But with no sound there is no proof of what that "something" is.

Sure, there could be lip-reading employed to work it out. But how do you prove that that person is actually singing and not just mouthing the words?

Would be an easy one for a defence lawyer I would have thought.

Should we mic up the fans? :greengrin

The problem as you know is not down to one or two individuals, but thousands.
There are solutions, closing stands to fans, or hit them as a club with fines, if it continues then points deductions.

[ancient hibee]

[urlhttps://twitter.com/bbcchrismclaug/status/1767445918322741723?s=61&t=1h-4wJql4MO68HYQDxKByQ[/url]

This shows the extent of how blinkered the media are to it, to ask if there is a problem... what sort of a question is that?! You're at the grounds and in the middle of it every week, FFS. Anyone with working eyes and/or ears can tell you there's a problem.

He should have been asking why he and his colleagues have turned a blind eye to it for decades.

A reader’s letter in today’s Scotsman criticises the match report for drawing attention to the chant about Hibs breaking up and ignoring the vile chants when Boyle was injured.I wonder if it’s just background noise to journalists today.

[scm70nyd1973]

Probably not for here, as you say but Hamas and Palestine are not the same thing.

True - I suspect there are thousands of decent Palestinians live in absolute fear of Hamas-the whole thing is a right mess ☹️

[BILLYHIBS]

Is it time to test the water for another vote on Strict Liability to eradicate this scourge from our game ?

[MKHIBEE]

Let’s not kid ourselves on here - Hamas murdered 100s of innocent Jews and captured and currently hold several hostages. Many Muslim countries have openly said they would like to see Israel wiped off the face of the earth.

The Israelis have gone too far methinks but it’s not all one sided.

That conflict should be set aside as far as the bringing it in to the debate about the reasons for cutting the Old Firm’s allocations
This really needs replying to but this is not the place. The Holy Ground is the place for this

[CraigHibee]

The Blue Bears or whatever they call themselves.

https://i.postimg.cc/zGXjr5Qs/IMG-2454.jpg (https://postimg.cc/MvNR0kq5)

i prefer to call them huns :greengrin

[hibbymac]

Does it? How do you name someone from a CCTV image who dresses like hundreds of others, wears a balaclava and doesn't display a name badge? CCTV is used for evidence after an arrest, not to identify individuals in a large crowd.

I think Hampden 2016 might put a different slant on that.

[Stairway 2 7]

On the chanting bit, I'm not sure where we or the Police stand.

You might have a CCTV image of someone "singing something". But with no sound there is no proof of what that "something" is.

Sure, there could be lip-reading employed to work it out. But how do you prove that that person is actually singing and not just mouthing the words?

Would be an easy one for a defence lawyer I would have thought.

Should we mic up the fans? :greengrin

You get 50 police officers and arrest the closest celtic/hibs/hearts/hibs fan singing or shouting sectarian pish. If I shouted out something racist next to a police officer in the street I'd be arrested and have no chance in court.

Football stadiums can't be safe places for sectarianism, if people started getting arrested and some losing jobs it would soon stop the mass singing. You'd still get the odd idiot

[bringbackbenny]

Is it time to test the water for another vote on Strict Liability to eradicate this scourge from our game ?

I think this may still require an 11-1 vote? Therefore at least 1 of the OF to vote yes and everyone else. Imo opportunity lost when Rangers mk1 died.

[Stairway 2 7]

I would increase my DD from £10 to £20 per month if I knew the extra was being used to help Hibs with this initiative.

100%, great idea

[hibsbollah]

This a secondary point to the main issue for me but its a big and important secondary point. They get a huge benefit from this. You're right to point it out.

The crafting of the club statement and its timing is actually a masterstroke, providing it is 'followed on' with actual reductions in allocations - substantial ones. If this is the start of us growing a pair and showing some teeth alongside the imminent inward investment it will go a long way to restoring my faith in the leadership at the top of the club.

In my view a football ground is a perfectly fine place for people to assert their identity inoffensively and if that involves Union Jacks, Saltires, tricolours or whatever then so be it. In my view the sham political posturing of Ugly Sister supporters adopting Palestinian or Israeli flags just to wind each other up is pathetic and I'd rather not see it at Easter Road either, but it is not illegal or offensive and fans should be well within their rights to do that sort of thing if they feel they want to.

Much more importantly, looking at social media I am bound to wonder what it could possibly be about the two cancerous Glasgow clubs that has allowed them for over 100 years to <checks notes> have a fan base that, uniquely in Scotland, transcends all geographical boundaries both nationally and internationally in the way that no other clubs do?

What on earth might have created and sustained a binary division of so many people, generating massively greater revenue to those institutions than anyone else could manage, bringing dominance and spoils out of all proportion and then over the last 24 hours cause so many of these same people who detest one another to appear on social media actually defending each other against outside criticism?

What disgustingly immoral economic model could they conceivably have such a high vested financial interest in defending beyond all reason? And why are our normally opinionated and voluble football commentariat struck so dumb on the same matter?

Succulent, succulent lamb indeed.

Excellent post.

[wookie70]

I think Hampden 2016 might put a different slant on that.

The police can certainly use imagery to catch offenders. To me they have no interest in doing so as they view it as low level crime. The invasion at the Cup Final was a fairly unusual type of event and not seen for many years so that may be the reason they spent so much time finding offenders. For me the Police have basically backed themselves into a corner. They have chosen to repeatedly watch offences being committed within touching distance of their officers. That has emboldened those who choose to act that way and they are now in sufficient number that it is harder to do anything about. I think the club are spot on. Reduce the numbers down to a point where bad behaviour disappears because fans want to keep attending so therefor behave or it is easier to arrest those who do offend. That will apply to us at other grounds too and may be what is needed in the short term to stop the moronic minority which has grown significantly in our support over the last decade. The tone adopted by the club about Football being a place that is safe to attend is spot on.

[Frazerbob]

I think Hampden 2016 might put a different slant on that.

Only because the national press decided to run with it for weeks on end. That doesn't happen every time the Huns sing their party tunes or set off pyros.

The main use for CCTV is to confirm a suspect was at the location the crime took place. It's about gathering evidence.

[MWHIBBIES]

Its so funny they think singing about Lizzie is the same as sectarianism.

[overdrive]

Maybe a wee thought for the future. I've just read that's Hearts, St Mirren, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, Aberdeen and now Hibs that have cut away allocations in addition to Celtic and Rangers abolishing away allocations to each other. That's 8 out of 12 Premiership clubs.

One of the arguments that is always trotted out when scrapping the play each other 4 times (3 depending on the split) and play each twice instead idea is suggested is that all the clubs rely on the bigoted pound. That becomes less of an argument now since the teams that are more likely to get the 2 home games against the Old Firm have all reduced their allocations any way.

There's still the fact that the TV companies want 4 bigot fests a season so it is unlikely happen any time soon but it does mean the SPFL can't hide behind reasons other than being bent over by the TV companies as a reason for this being a non-starter.

[He's here!]

Let’s not kid ourselves on here - Hamas murdered 100s of innocent Jews and captured and currently hold several hostages. Many Muslim countries have openly said they would like to see Israel wiped off the face of the earth.

The Israelis have gone too far methinks but it’s not all one sided.

That conflict should be set aside as far as the bringing it in to the debate about the reasons for cutting the Old Firm’s allocations

Absolutely. It's got nothing to do with football. That kind of stuff is best left to odious Green Brigade - and all religious bile is best left to Celtic and Rangers. I'd happily see both sets of their fans barred from ER.

There's an incentive here for Hibs to really walk the walk when it comes to finally fulfilling our playing potential as a club. A regularly competitive side (which fingers crossed the Foley era can inspire) will go a long way to compensating for lost ticket sales to away fans. We know that the potential is there to all but fill ER with our own fans should we deliver a product on the pitch worth getting behind.

The knowledge that the atmosphere won't be poisoned by Celtic and Rangers fans would also encourage more fans to bring family/kids along to these games - something many (myself included) wouldn't currently consider doing.

[Keith_M]

I'd happily support the club in this stance by purchasing tickets (for Rangers/Celtic games) for fellow Hibs fans struggling with finances.

If the club, or some other group, could arrange this, then I'll happily donate

I'm not a rich person by any means but I'm willing to help where I can.

[gbhibby]

Its so funny they think singing about Lizzie is the same as sectarianism.
It is sectarian she was the head of a church.

[Since452]

Well done Hibs

[He's here!]

Fair enough if the stadium gets filled and we don’t miss out on any money.

But I struggle to believe there’s a few thousand that don’t turn up just because the Old Firm sing songs that are offensive.

You might be surprised. Maybe not a few thousand, but a lot won't take kids along which cumulatively adds up to a fair few empty seats. It's not just the songs they sing at the match, it's the vibe around the streets when you're heading to these games that also makes it a turn-off. Remove the Old Firm fans from the equation and you make these games much more appealing to a lot of fans.

[Northernhibee]

Its so funny they think singing about Lizzie is the same as sectarianism.

It’s also weird some people think it’s a football song.

I’d rather we steered clear of stuff like that and focused on Hibernian Football club.

[He's here!]

This a secondary point to the main issue for me but its a big and important secondary point. They get a huge benefit from this. You're right to point it out.

The crafting of the club statement and its timing is actually a masterstroke, providing it is 'followed on' with actual reductions in allocations - substantial ones. If this is the start of us growing a pair and showing some teeth alongside the imminent inward investment it will go a long way to restoring my faith in the leadership at the top of the club.

In my view a football ground is a perfectly fine place for people to assert their identity inoffensively and if that involves Union Jacks, Saltires, tricolours or whatever then so be it. In my view the sham political posturing of Ugly Sister supporters adopting Palestinian or Israeli flags just to wind each other up is pathetic and I'd rather not see it at Easter Road either, but it is not illegal or offensive and fans should be well within their rights to do that sort of thing if they feel they want to.

Much more importantly, looking at social media I am bound to wonder what it could possibly be about the two cancerous Glasgow clubs that has allowed them for over 100 years to <checks notes> have a fan base that, uniquely in Scotland, transcends all geographical boundaries both nationally and internationally in the way that no other clubs do?

What on earth might have created and sustained a binary division of so many people, generating massively greater revenue to those institutions than anyone else could manage, bringing dominance and spoils out of all proportion and then over the last 24 hours cause so many of these same people who detest one another to appear on social media actually defending each other against outside criticism?

What disgustingly immoral economic model could they conceivably have such a high vested financial interest in defending beyond all reason? And why are our normally opinionated and voluble football commentariat struck so dumb on the same matter?

Succulent, succulent lamb indeed.

Arguable that it's not offensive, especially when we've seen an Israeli player leave Celtic in light of the pressure he came under due to a conflict which should have no impact on his ability to earn a living playing football Scotland.

I do agree, though, that the posturing by both Rangers and Celtic on this is pathetic and any attempts by Hibs fans to mimic such antics solely to wind up away fans is equally daft. Personally I'd ban all flags with political connotations from football. There are plenty of other organised gatherings where you can make such points.

[Ozyhibby]

I’m happy for fans to protest or make political points so long as it’s inoffensive and has no hatred involved.


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[He's here!]

It’s also weird some people think it’s a football song.

I’d rather we steered clear of stuff like that and focused on Hibernian Football club.

Agreed.

[.Sean.]

Its so funny they think singing about Lizzie is the same as sectarianism.
In fairness it’s got as much to do with football as any crap Celtic or Rangers sing

[CropleyWasGod]

Is it time to test the water for another vote on Strict Liability to eradicate this scourge from our game ?

It would certainly concentrate the debate. But I'm not sure the clubs are all that keen.


The problem as you know is not down to one or two individuals, but thousands.
There are solutions, closing stands to fans, or hit them as a club with fines, if it continues then points deductions.

I'm like a broken record on this :greengrin

Those solutions aren't open to us, without the consent of the clubs.

[Malthibby]

This is a bad move by the club.

All it does is make the game much less of a spectacle.

It could mean less T.V money

Less fans in the stadium equals less revenue

Football is nothing without fans.

The game is dying a death already because of all the new changes and VAR.

We already have enough empty seats. Ridiculous decision!


So 3000 animals screaming that Boyle's a fenian and they want him to die is a spectacle?
Not in my universe.
I'm very very happy that our club has chosen to take a stand against the hatred that flows whenever these bigots come to town.
Hopefully we can build support & do something about the stain on our football & society that is the Old Firm (& yes, especially The Rangers).

[NAE NOOKIE]

I’m happy to meet up with you before, during or after the Livi game Flash!


PM if you like. I’m happy to tell you who I am. Ive got nothing to hide.
I’m a nice guy honest! 😂

This is my opinion. It may well go against the majority but I’m not deliberately being controversial.
I just think this is the wrong way to go. Banning away supporters or cutting allocations just makes our game as a whole a poorer spectacle for everyone. It has many repercussions. You only need to look at what it’s done for the ugly sisters.
That Old Firm game has lost its appeal since they stopped the away allocation. I don’t want that to happen at Easter Road.

I think the authorities need to come up with better solutions rather than us being reactive to what we all felt was the disgraceful and disgusting abuse of Martin Boyle!

The authorities have already made most of their songbook illegal to sing in public. How do you enforce that when it's 4000 all singing it inside a football stadium? It is an absolute FACT that police Scotland are scared to pile into a stand full of pissed up knuckle draggers for fear of it turning into a full scale riot, and who can blame them. As for our stadium security, they can't even stop hundreds of them doubling up at the turnstiles, never mind control them inside the stadium ... get yer pus panned in for £10 an hour, you would have to be mental.

I agree that football without fans, especially away fans, is massively diluted as a spectacle and an experience. But when that 'atmosphere' is created by bigoted and sectarian songs and chanting it simply HAS to be considered unacceptable to a modern 21st century entertainment industry which is trying to attract families to its stadiums, not see them put off by what happens inside them.

The absolute fact here is that no solution, be it changes in wider society or to the law, has made the slightest bit of difference. In fact in the last few years the behaviour of fans of that club at Easter Road has become considerably worse, not better. Rangers have paid lip service to the problem over the years, knowing full well it will be ignored, to the extent they release Orange away strips with the half assed excuse of tributes to Dutch players. Neither the SFA, SPFL or the sports media are prepared to do what needs to be done, or say what needs to be said .... That has been evident for years.

If the knuckle dragging hoards want to come to ER and sing GSTK and wave their wee union flegs, then they can knock themselves out as far as I ( an independence supporting member of two 'republic' groups ) am concerned ... neither are illegal, nor unacceptable in society.

But we as a club simply cannot tolerate allowing unfettered bigotry into our stadium any more ... we wouldn't and don't tolerate bigotry, racism or homophobia within our stadium from our own support .. why should we tolerate it from away supporters, as we have done for years.

What Hibs have done here is the ONLY solution, for the simple reason that none of the others have worked, and the only thing wrong with it is that it's about 12 years overdue.

[soul_driver]

It’s also weird some people think it’s a football song.

I’d rather we steered clear of stuff like that and focused on Hibernian Football club.

Exactly.

However, I am concerned about Block 7 repeatedly causing issues for the club and giving the media the excuse they need to bring up our fans misbehavior. Think it's a mistake to give them what is basically their own section from next season.

[tonyrougier123]

In the words of Steve Clarke

“Bye bye rangers”

Been a long time coming tbf,we get 900 for ibrox and that’s nowt, they don’t want away supporters making noise to drown out the pish they sing. Good riddance.
They started all this no away support nonsense hopefully now it starts biting them on the arse for away days.
Better hope they can stay in Europe longer for a wee bigoted jaunt from now on.
Or at least hope livvy stay up for a full stadium allocation 😏.

[hibsbollah]

Exactly.

However, I am concerned about Block 7 repeatedly causing issues for the club and giving the media the excuse they need to bring up our fans misbehavior. Think it's a mistake to give them what is basically their own section from next season.

Lizzie IAB wasn’t just being sung from block 7.