Email/Letter to Hibs regarding away fans behaviour last night

[.Sean.]

Having been to the community foundation offices in the south stand on a number of occasions, Id be interested to know how away allocations in that stand can be reduced and segregation enforced, unless the plan is to reduce the away allocation and leave the rest empty.
The concourse is split downstairs and any Hibs fans in the South would exit via the East

[Not In The Know]

Well said..a stand needs to be made..and it looks like we're making it.

Every sympathy if those who want to go to support the team at ibrox may be affected. It's one club that's responsible for that, they should never have been allowed back in zombie form. We were all far better off without them.

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Who are we due at home if we make the top 6?

[Malthibby]

Sorry folks, been away for a couple of days & just catching up..how do I send a PM to the Admins supporting the e-mail?

[Jay]

Sorry folks, been away for a couple of days & just catching up..how do I send a PM to the Admins supporting the e-mail?

Click HNA1s name in the original post and the option to private message should be there

[Malthibby]

Click HNA1s name in the original post and the option to private message should be there

Ta muchly.:thumbsup:

[basehibby]

Let me give my pop psychology response to this.

Me and my son have season tickets. I drive to the game from the fringe of the South of the city (we probably should take the buses but that's a separate issue).

As I understand it the Council in its wisdom wants to close Holyrood Park, North Bridge and the Mound to North/South traffic. That means we will likely effectively HAVE to take buses and/or walk to the games.

My very first mental reaction to hearing what was to happen was 'there's no way we are going to Rangers games where we will have to either walk near or share buses with those people and all the hate that comes with it'.

The Clowncil are a bunch of unhinged maniacs - seemingly set on making life as difficult as possible for the folk that live here.
Every councilor supporting these travel restrictions needs shown the door at the next elections.

[snedzuk]

The concourse is split downstairs and any Hibs fans in the South would exit via the East

Cheers

[Helensburghhibs]

Having been to the community foundation offices in the south stand on a number of occasions, Id be interested to know how away allocations in that stand can be reduced and segregation enforced, unless the plan is to reduce the away allocation and leave the rest empty.

The south stand is designed to be quartered. Always has been, outside is easy, home support access via meawbank or behind the east stand. Away the usual route across the bridge

[HNA1]

As promised please see updated letter below to reflect Hibs statement. This will be sent today, last call if anyone else wants their name to be added:



We are writing on behalf of the below signed Hibernian supporters to highlight the behaviour of the Rangers support at the game played on Sunday March 10th 2024 which was a clear breach of the clubs official policy regarding behaviour within our home stadium as quoted below.

'Disorderly conduct includes; · Conduct which stirs up or sustains, or is likely or is designed to stir up or sustain hatred or ill will against or towards individuals or groups of people because of:
· Colour, race, nationality, (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin.
· Membership, or presumed membership, of a religious group or of a social cultural group with perceived religious affiliation'

Such behaviour is not an anomaly and is a repeated pattern stretching back decades. Rather than gradually improving over the years it is becoming worse. Whilst we accept the club cannot act on the wider issues in society, you are able to act on behaviour within our stadium. Extensive investigations into other incidents earlier this season and last season are evidence there is a will to tackle bigotry in certain circumstances. Listening to the songs of hatred being sung loud and clear from the Away stand is not only offensive , it is a continuing deterrent to some families within the Hibs support who simply will not attend when Rangers are the visitors. It also has a negative impact on the match day experience of those supporters who do attend.

In the recent past this behaviour has included vile and threatening abuse of managers, players and other club employees and a further example of this was heard on Sunday night when one of our players was clearly seriously injured.

We applaud the recent statement from the club and fully support you on the decision to move on from the silence that has for too long typified the response to sectarianism and anti Irish racism in Scottish football. We ask the club to be true to its own policy detailed above and to its own stated zero tolerance policy on bigotry and sectarianism, a policy which is read out before every home game. This behaviour continued for so long because no club was willing to challenge it publicly; we are pleased to note Hibs have recognised this and we will fully support you as you continue to challenge such behaviour in future.

[oneone73]

As promised please see updated letter below to reflect Hibs statement. This will be sent today, last call if anyone else wants their name to be added:



We are writing on behalf of the below signed Hibernian supporters to highlight the behaviour of the Rangers support at the game played on Sunday March 10th 2024 which was a clear breach of the clubs official policy regarding behaviour within our home stadium as quoted below.

'Disorderly conduct includes; · Conduct which stirs up or sustains, or is likely or is designed to stir up or sustain hatred or ill will against or towards individuals or groups of people because of:
· Colour, race, nationality, (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origin.
· Membership, or presumed membership, of a religious group or of a social cultural group with perceived religious affiliation'

Such behaviour is not an anomaly and is a repeated pattern stretching back decades. Rather than gradually improving over the years it is becoming worse. Whilst we accept the club cannot act on the wider issues in society, you are able to act on behaviour within our stadium. Extensive investigations into other incidents earlier this season and last season are evidence there is a will to tackle bigotry in certain circumstances. Listening to the songs of hatred being sung loud and clear from the Away stand is not only offensive , it is a continuing deterrent to some families within the Hibs support who simply will not attend when Rangers are the visitors. It also has a negative impact on the match day experience of those supporters who do attend.

In the recent past this behaviour has included vile and threatening abuse of managers, players and other club employees and a further example of this was heard on Sunday night when one of our players was clearly seriously injured.

We applaud the recent statement from the club and fully support you on the decision to move on from the silence that has for too long typified the response to sectarianism and anti Irish racism in Scottish football. We ask the club to be true to its own policy detailed above and to its own stated zero tolerance policy on bigotry and sectarianism, a policy which is read out before every home game. This behaviour continued for so long because no club was willing to challenge it publicly; we are pleased to note Hibs have recognised this and we will fully support you as you continue to challenge such behaviour in future.

Excellent

[Jack]

Well done.

[.Sean.]

Out of interest how many names in total were added?

[Scorrie]

Very well worded email. Thank you

[Lendo]

Let me give my pop psychology response to this.

Me and my son have season tickets. I drive to the game from the fringe of the South of the city (we probably should take the buses but that's a separate issue).

As I understand it the Council in its wisdom wants to close Holyrood Park, North Bridge and the Mound to North/South traffic. That means we will likely effectively HAVE to take buses and/or walk to the games.

My very first mental reaction to hearing what was to happen was 'there's no way we are going to Rangers games where we will have to either walk near or share buses with those people and all the hate that comes with it'.

What's Holyrood Park got to do with the Council? It's Historic Environment Scotland that control the park and their roads.

[Pretty Boy]

Out of interest how many names in total were added?

In the region of 450.

[gbhibby]

Let this be a wake up call to the idiots in our club who throw things, sing songs which are nothing to do with football, bring pyros into the stadium break seats at other stadiums.

[CentreLine]

Let this be a wake up call to the idiots in our club who throw things, sing songs which are nothing to do with football, bring pyros into the stadium break seats at other stadiums.

Looks like they are still sleeping. Only going by .net observations but it seems a portion of our fans are oblivious to the harm they do the club with their, out of control, behaviour last night. Or is it more sinister than that? Is it deliberate and organised?
Either way, the club needs to rethink its policy on our own support.

[Jones28]

Block 7 have undermined all the good work done by the club this week.

[Stairway 2 7]

Block 7 have undermined all the good work done by the club this week.

I'd add a section about our fans behaviour in any letter

[lugz]

Said this in the block 7 thread. Unless we are reporting our own fans and holding them accountable we don't have a leg to stand on regarding other fans.

The club should be treating these wee chavs the same as they're planning to treat celtc/rangers fans.

[HNA1]

As advised the email was sent last Wednesday PM with approx. 425 signatories. The email was sent to both Ben Kensell and Malcolm McPherson as CEO and Chairman respectively. We received a prompt reply from the latter which we have posted below:


'Thank you for your support

Malcolm'

[.Sean.]

As advised the email was sent last Wednesday PM with approx. 425 signatories. The email was sent to both Ben Kensell and Malcolm McPherson as CEO and Chairman respectively. We received a prompt reply from the latter which we have posted below:


'Thank you for your support

Malcolm'
Wtf 😂

[JimBHibees]

Wtf 😂

To the point I suppose :greengrin

[.Sean.]

To the point I suppose :greengrin
Beyond arrogant if that’s the reply to the work that was put into it. Not the first time he’s gave Hibs supporters stock answers and less than impressive replies though.

[JimBHibees]

Beyond arrogant if that’s the reply to the work that was put into it. Not the first time he’s gave Hibs supporters stock answers and less than impressive replies though.

Agree

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I was waiting Jimmy Cricket style to read “and there’s more…”

I did a double take but then thought it was short and to the point but something of this magnitude deserved a bit more. Even if it’s to say “I t’s something we’re working on and will update all supporters in due course.”

[Pretty Boy]

I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt and say that Hibs will point to the official statement as the more detailed answer.

In saying that I have contacted the club as an individual before and received a 'better' reply. I suppose it's understandable if they don't particularly like the site, that's nothing new dating back to previous owners, chairmen and boards, but the email was very clearly marked as not being from the site regardless of how the press chose to report it. It wouldn't have taken much to put a few more lines together and basically point us in the direction of the official statement as proof Hibs are taking this seriously.

It is what it is. Those of us who signed the letter made our point and played at least some part in Hibs speaking out so it was anything but a wasted venture.

[Smartie]

To be fair - actions speak louder than words, and Hibs’ actions were so prompt they ended up preceding the letter being sent.

So I don’t have all that much of a problem with the response.

Gives the media and Rangers less to pick through.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt and say that Hibs will point to the official statement as the more detailed answer.

In saying that I have contacted the club as an individual before and received a 'better' reply. I suppose it's understandable if they don't particularly like the site, that's nothing new dating back to previous owners, chairmen and boards, but the email was very clearly marked as not being from the site regardless of how the press chose to report it. It wouldn't have taken much to put a few more lines together and basically point us in the direction of the official statement as proof Hibs are taking this seriously.

It is what it is. Those of us who signed the letter made our point and played at least some part in Hibs speaking out so it was anything but a wasted venture.

Exactly it seems this letter has prompted the club to pre-emptively take action. In any case action was taken.

[Greensunshine]

PM sent. Very much support this action. In the same way I would support Hearts taking action against our support, following the dreadful behaviour by some at the derby, this needs sorted out. The vile chant was only one of many abuses we have put up with for decades.

I am dead against banning opposition support from games all together. That said, I would like the club to ban the the rangers fans from our next game v them. This, on the understanding that they would be welcome back in increasing numbers from next season. Provided they showed improvement in behaviour they would go back to having the whole stand. The atmosphere at football needs fans of both clubs but that atmosphere has become unacceptably toxic.

To paraphrase Kevin Keagan, I would love it if the game they were barred from proved to be the title decider.


This would definitely get my support. Cutting attendance with a view to reinstate at a future date if fans are well behaved.
I just hope the morons in our own support sit up and take note that we’ve all had enough of this nonsense.

[Kato]

If they said any more the press would take it as affirmation of every detail in Hibs.nets' statement and twist things any which way they want. Very diplomatic but that's Scottish football.

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[JimBHibees]

If they said any more the press would take it as affirmation of every detail I'm Hibs.nets' statement and twist things any which way they want. Very diplomatic but that's Scottish football.

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You are probably right

[Lago]

To be fair - actions speak louder than words, and Hibs’ actions were so prompt they ended up preceding the letter being sent.

So I don’t have all that much of a problem with the response.

Gives the media and Rangers less to pick through.
:aok:

[marinello59]

To be fair - actions speak louder than words, and Hibs’ actions were so prompt they ended up preceding the letter being sent.

So I don’t have all that much of a problem with the response.

Gives the media and Rangers less to pick through.

:agree:

[Carheenlea]

The “thank you for your support” reply sounds more like a thank you for endorsing the “enough is enough” club statement last week rather than pre-empting it.

[Brightside]

The “thank you for your support” reply sounds more like a thank you for endorsing the “enough is enough” club statement last week rather than pre-empting it.

Exactly. Calling it pathetic is a little rash.

[overdrive]

I was clicking the "Thank you for your support" thinking it must be a link to a fuller response :greengrin

[lyonhibs]

As advised the email was sent last Wednesday PM with approx. 425 signatories. The email was sent to both Ben Kensell and Malcolm McPherson as CEO and Chairman respectively. We received a prompt reply from the latter which we have posted below:


'Thank you for your support

Malcolm'

Knowing that hawk eyed Weegie "journalists" get most of their Hibs scoops from this and other message boards, I'm not surprised the reply was seemingly "unnecessarily" brief

[Frazerbob]

Compare this to the engagement Block 7 are afforded. Maybe we need to start acting like bams……..

[Hiber-nation]

It's really poor. Spending all of 30 seconds to construct a couple of sentences is the least he could have done.

[.Sean.]

Compare this to the engagement Block 7 are afforded. Maybe we need to start acting like bams……..
Very fair point this

[silverhibee]

As advised the email was sent last Wednesday PM with approx. 425 signatories. The email was sent to both Ben Kensell and Malcolm McPherson as CEO and Chairman respectively. We received a prompt reply from the latter which we have posted below:


'Thank you for your support

Malcolm'

Deary f***ing me Malcolm.

Really.

[silverhibee]

I was clicking the "Thank you for your support" thinking it must be a link to a fuller response :greengrin

So I’m not the only dafty on this site. :thumbsup:

[silverhibee]

Compare this to the engagement Block 7 are afforded. Maybe we need to start acting like bams……..

Maybe just start launching vapes and knives at them. :cb

[Brizo]

The club have responded to sectarianism and other offensive behaviour in the strongest manner I can remember in my nearly 60 years of watching Hibs with their "Enough is Enough" statement. I'm happy with that and that their statement superseded the Hibs.net email which shows how proactive and seriously they are taking these issues.

While I get that some people might have liked a more fulsome acknowledgment anything more would have allowed the OF's media allies to pore over it in minute detail to look for anything to use to deflect, distract, and defuse this issue

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[hibsbollah]

The club have responded to sectarianism and other offensive behaviour in the strongest manner I can remember in my nearly 60 years of watching Hibs with their "Enough is Enough" statement. I'm happy with that and that their statement superseded the Hibs.net email which shows how proactive and seriously they are taking these issues.

While I get that some people might have liked a more fulsome acknowledgment anything more would have allowed the OF's media allies to look for anything to use to deflect, distract, and defuse this issue

.

Exactly.

Robust response to sectarianism and quality players arriving we could only have dreamed of six months ago.

I hope i dont wake up…

[Northernhibee]

Compare this to the engagement Block 7 are afforded. Maybe we need to start acting like bams……..

All being well saying actions are louder than words when IMO the club have been so slow to adequately address Block 7 as an issue in our support.

[Jay]

Disappointingly dismissive but it was an acknowledgement from one of them. They'd have known it was coming and had already issued a statement. Its what we do now as a club that counts.

[JimBHibees]

The club have responded to sectarianism and other offensive behaviour in the strongest manner I can remember in my nearly 60 years of watching Hibs with their "Enough is Enough" statement. I'm happy with that and that their statement superseded the Hibs.net email which shows how proactive and seriously they are taking these issues.

While I get that some people might have liked a more fulsome acknowledgment anything more would have allowed the OF's media allies to pore over it in minute detail to look for anything to use to deflect, distract, and defuse this issue

.

Very good point.

[WhileTheChief..]

The club have responded to sectarianism and other offensive behaviour in the strongest manner I can remember in my nearly 60 years of watching Hibs with their "Enough is Enough" statement. I'm happy with that and that their statement superseded the Hibs.net email which shows how proactive and seriously they are taking these issues.

While I get that some people might have liked a more fulsome acknowledgment anything more would have allowed the OF's media allies to pore over it in minute detail to look for anything to use to deflect, distract, and defuse this issue

.

Yeah, but they could have referred to their statement , or even maybe mentioned that they're aware of the issue and are taking action.

Something, anything, would have been better than what appears to be a curt gtf, but put politely!

[Coach Jon]

It obviously refers to the statement Hibs put out, dont see what the overreaction is all about.

[ancient hibee]

It obviously refers to the statement Hibs put out, dont see what the overreaction is all about.
Must be a quiet news day in hibsnetland.

[RIP]

When we started Let's Work Together in 2012, we immediately came up against the culture clash of supporters vs directors.

Our reps were motivated professionals / business people who regarded Hibernian FC as belonging to the supporters and the board and management as the current custodians.

They on the other hand regarded the club as 'theirs' with an inherent assumption that all the brains and business expertise lay in their hierarchy. Contributions from supporters were initially given a patronising response until a couple of directors realised we had proposals and solutions they hadn't thought of.

I would file McPherson's reply under 'Condescending' - "We've got this"

[Kato]

I would file McPherson's reply under 'Condescending' - "We've got this"

Don't see it that way at all. The press were quick to contort Hibs "Enough is Enough" statement any which way they could.

Any more detail to the reply to the hibs.net email, which directly mentions Rangers and Rangers fans several times, the press would see that as ratifying the hibs.net wording. That would lead to a full on onslaught via the Huns client media, which wouldn't help what Hibs are attempting to do at all.


That's not condescending it's a common sense tactical approach given the task ahead. Hibs have zero friends in the Scottish msm or within the weegie football hierarchy. This is a battle we will be fighting alone.

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[One Day Soon]

Would the extra bits not in bold have been so difficult?

Thank you for your support.

We know that Hibernian supporters have the best interests of the club and football at heart and we are grateful that you have taken the time collectively to contact us.

As you will be aware from the club's recent statement we do take matters of public order, safety within the stadium and compliance with both the law and the requirements of FIFA, UEFA and the SFA seriously. We hope that is clear from the public announcements which take place before every game in relation to what is tolerated as acceptable behaviour and what is not.

In this context I think it is also important that I should stress that the requirement for reasonable behaviour within Easter Road and at away matches applies no less to our own fans than any other. What we expect from others we should also expect of ourselves.

Please be assured that we will continue to work at all times and with all authorities to strike the best balance between having an excellent atmosphere within the ground and behaviour which is inclusive, reasonable and safe. You will appreciate that not every discussion the club has internally, or with partners, can be in the public space but I would like to make clear that these are matters which we are always looking to address.

Malcolm

[SHODAN]

Could be worse, I've managed to scrape the initial draft off McPherson's computer.

Seen 8:45pm

Malcolm

[Jones28]

Could be worse, I've managed to scrape the initial draft off McPherson's computer.

Seen 8:45pm

Malcolm


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[lyonhibs]

Don't see it that way at all. The press were quick to contort Hibs "Enough is Enough" statement any which way they could.

Any more detail to the reply to the hibs.net email, which directly mentions Rangers and Rangers fans several times, the press would see that as ratifying the hibs.net wording. That would lead to a full on onslaught via the Huns client media, which wouldn't help what Hibs are attempting to do at all.


That's not condescending it's a common sense tactical approach given the task ahead. Hibs have zero friends in the Scottish msm or within the weegie football hierarchy. This is a battle we will be fighting alone.

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Yup. I guarantee the slavers at the Daily Record sports desk are scouring this thread looking for their next "scoop" and will be most miffed there wasn't anything meaty to get their teeth into in the club's reply.

[The Modfather]

Has all the noise about Hibs fans behaviour at Tynecastle, Rangers fans behaviour, Old Firm fans behaviour in general, talks with the SFA etc had its 15 minutes and it’s no longer top of the agenda? Next thing we hear will be when we cut the Old Fims allocation, either post top 6 or next season.

Would be a shame if all the momentum was lost and the discussion about sectarianism and football fans (of all clubs) behaviour turns out to be grandstanding and cutting allocation is the end of it. Save for a bit of noise in the first few games before it becomes normalised like the lack of away fans at the Old Firm derby.