Marcondes Penalty Incident.

[LaMotta]

Just seen this for the first time.

https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1767171844493250727?t=YV8d3EzaPnL7NnwosTGRtQ&s=19

I think thats a pen up the other end, no doubt.

[LaMotta]

We didnt even get a VAR review:hilarious

[Smartie]

Just seen this for the first time.

https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1767171844493250727?t=YV8d3EzaPnL7NnwosTGRtQ&s=19

I think thats a pen up the other end, no doubt.

First point - it’s absolutely, unequivocally, in no way a penalty.

Second point - it 100% would have been given at the other end.

The referee’s instinct is to give the benefit of the doubt to them and against us, with VAR used to scrape together some sort of justification for the decision.

[Caversham Green]

First point - it’s absolutely, unequivocally, in no way a penalty.

Second point - it 100% would have been given at the other end.

The referee’s instinct is to give the benefit of the doubt to them and against us, with VAR used to scrape together some sort of justification for the decision.

I disagree. It is undoubtedly a penalty - Marcondes was obstructed by a player who had no chance of playing the ball - that's a foul and in the box it's a penalty. Much more so than the Obita one that's on the next clip where obstruction is minimal.

If nothing else the mindset of referees and the authorities is ruining Scottish football. They must be stopped for our game to survive.

[LaMotta]

First point - it’s absolutely, unequivocally, in no way a penalty.

Second point - it 100% would have been given at the other end.

The referee’s instinct is to give the benefit of the doubt to them and against us, with VAR used to scrape together some sort of justification for the decision.

He goes down easy but dont agree with the no way a penalty assertion

27766

Goldson impedes him. I think thats a foul.

Remember Rocky on Colak last year? Colak made an even bigger meal of things than Marcondes did and got the pen, which backs up most of your post.

[Unseen work]

First point - it’s absolutely, unequivocally, in no way a penalty.

Second point - it 100% would have been given at the other end.

The referee’s instinct is to give the benefit of the doubt to them and against us, with VAR used to scrape together some sort of justification for the decision.

This is where I’m at. Never a pen but they’d get it.

I tend to apply the Colak penalty they got last year for absolutely nothing as a test of what is/isn’t a pen.

[Callum_62]

Defender wrong side contact made

Obviously only works one way

The ref gives that that's at the other end and var uses seeing contact as justification

Absolutely guaranteed

Goldsons arm is much more contact than Obitas on sterling

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[Callum_62]

This is where I’m at. Never a pen but they’d get it.

I tend to apply the Colak penalty they got last year for absolutely nothing as a test of what is/isn’t a pen.And the pundits lined up to justify the colak penalty too

Absolutely madness

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[matty_f]

The Colak test applies here, remember Rocky “gave he referee a decision to make” and was “clumsy” etc? Pundits were clear it was a penalty then, so surely this is as well?

Does anyone have footage of the moment immediately after the footage finished? I’m sure Goldson tried pulling Marcondes up before pushing him down again. Ball is in play in the keeper’s possession, if Emiliano isn’t wanting pulled up then it surely has to be a foul?

[LaMotta]

This is where I’m at. Never a pen but they’d get it.

I tend to apply the Colak penalty they got last year for absolutely nothing as a test of what is/isn’t a pen.


And the pundits lined up to justify the colak penalty too

Absolutely madness

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The Colak test applies here, remember Rocky “gave he referee a decision to make” and was “clumsy” etc? Pundits were clear it was a penalty then, so surely this is as well?



Here is the Colak "penalty" from last year:

https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1767202737454772534?t=hD6LIxWwiqHISksS9qb1xg&s=19

[Callum_62]

It's fine though, these are all calls that are totally above board and made with the greatest integrity

Mind that time Newell got kicked in the head at Ibrox? [emoji1787]. Or David Bates playing basketball at Easter Road

All easy ones to miss and go in favour 100% to one team

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[Gatecrasher]

For those saying it would get given at the other end, it DID get given at the other end, last night and at the derby.

[JimBHibees]

Here is the Colak "penalty" from last year:

https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1767202737454772534?t=hD6LIxWwiqHISksS9qb1xg&s=19

Colak one is one of the most ridiculous penalties ever given. Colum wasn't it.

[JimBHibees]

And the pundits lined up to justify the colak penalty too

Absolutely madness

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That was ridiculous for ex players to say that was a pen. Utter nonsense

[500miles]

You grab like that at a corner, it's a pen and there's not even an argument.

[LaMotta]

It's fine though, these are all calls that are totally above board and made with the greatest integrity

Mind that time Newell got kicked in the head at Ibrox? [emoji1787]

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Or when Porteous was hauled down at Ibrox in Maloney era:

https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1491836007221764102?t=6Ie3-yw-z8u4S__PgAJTzA&s=19

Not a pen of course.

[007]

you grab like that at Rangers a corner, it's a pen and there's not even an argument.

ftfy

[LaMotta]

Colak one is one of the most ridiculous penalties ever given. Colum wasn't it.

Aye oor Wullie

[Carheenlea]

If one’s a penalty, then so is the other.

I wouldn’t be giving either, but going by what referees are awarding some clubs the Marcondes claim has to 100% be awarded on a level playing field.

[Callum_62]

Whoever said Marcondes was lucky he didn't get booked for diving couldn't have seen it back

There's genuinely more meaningful contact from Goldson than there is by Obita

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[Kato]

Or when Porteous was hauled down at Ibrox in Maloney era:

https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1491836007221764102?t=6Ie3-yw-z8u4S__PgAJTzA&s=19

Not a pen of course.Check the ref turning away.

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[JimBHibees]

Or when Porteous was hauled down at Ibrox in Maloney era:

https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1491836007221764102?t=6Ie3-yw-z8u4S__PgAJTzA&s=19

Not a pen of course.

Can remember not that long ago Porto scoring a perfectly good goal at Ibrox and it being ruled out for eh no reason.

[yerauldda]

Goldson then threw him to the ground again straight after.

[LaMotta]

Check the ref turning away.

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Can remember not that long ago Porto scoring a perfectly good goal at Ibrox and it being ruled out for eh no reason.

It's mad eh?

The more you think about examples the more obvious the bias is.

1979 cup final?

McCoist diving in the box on Souness debut at Easter Road and getting a pen.

[Kato]

It's mad eh?

The more you think about examples the more obvious the bias is.

1979 cup final?

McCoist diving in the box on Souness debut at Easter Road and getting a pen.McCoist punching Mark Fulton on the side of his head from behind and getting nothing. Saying that it was hectic few minutes.

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[wookie70]

More of a penalty than the one against us and when he ended up crashed into the keeper it looks like hand ball to me too

[LaMotta]

For anyone still not persuaded that should be a foul on Marcondes last night, here's a wee reminder of a penalty awarded to Rangers at Livvy this season by the same Ref and VAR officials, Mclean and Kirkland

https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1764974083639304377?t=XYPLoOKwOKmk1lwwsIXxDQ&s=19

[Waxy]

We’re all goosed.
I was all for var but its being used in the wrong hands.
The same bias will always be.
We must parachute sevco into the championship etc

[Kato]

For anyone still not persuaded that should be a foul on Marcondes last night, here's a wee reminder of a penalty awarded to Rangers at Livvy this season by the same Ref and VAR officials, Mclean and Kirkland

https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1764974083639304377?t=XYPLoOKwOKmk1lwwsIXxDQ&s=19To be fair it must be really hard for three officials on the park and for the VAR team, watching from 4 different angles, to see whether that's a dive or not. (signed Richard Gordon and the sportsound team.)

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[Broken Gnome]

Goldson then threw him to the ground again straight after.

That's still the one I think is a penalty. If you grab a player, pick him up then launch him to the ground, I don't know how VAR could look at that and think there was any reasonable doubt a player had committed an offence.

I obviously do know why, but I'm trying to look at it objectively. You could probably compare it to the Rocky/Colak one for infringements that don't really impact the game but still apparently constitute some sort of offence for one team but not another.

[LaMotta]

To be fair it must be really hard for three officials on the park and for the VAR team, watching from 4 different angles, to see whether that's a dive or not. (signed Richard Gordon and the sportsound team.)

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:hilarious

[Heisenberg]

Rangers and Celtc both get that penalty decision, no doubt in my mind. Even ****ing Hearts got a softer penalty than that against us recently. We’re ****ed. God knows what we’ve done to annoy these west coast diddies but we aren’t getting a single contentious decision in our favour.

[Tyler Durden]

Goldson then threw him to the ground again straight after.

When you see the replay of that its a dive tbh. Goldson pulls him up and he just throws himself back down

[Heisenberg]

When you see the replay of that its a dive tbh. Goldson pulls him up and he just throws himself back down

He certainly flings himself down, issue is so did Sterling and so did Vargas. Both given immediately without a second thought.

[Kato]

Rangers and Celtc both get that penalty decision, no doubt in my mind. Even ****ing Hearts got a softer penalty than that against us recently. We’re ****ed. God knows what we’ve done to annoy these west coast diddies but we aren’t getting a single contentious decision in our favour.

The non-contentious ones are a bit rare too.

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[JimBHibees]

Rangers and Celtc both get that penalty decision, no doubt in my mind. Even ****ing Hearts got a softer penalty than that against us recently. We’re ****ed. God knows what we’ve done to annoy these west coast diddies but we aren’t getting a single contentious decision in our favour.

Their justification would be that Goldson is holding. Don't think it is a penalty to be honest then again neither is theirs.

[Kato]

For anyone still not persuaded that should be a foul on Marcondes last night, here's a wee reminder of a penalty awarded to Rangers at Livvy this season by the same Ref and VAR officials, Mclean and Kirkland

https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1764974083639304377?t=XYPLoOKwOKmk1lwwsIXxDQ&s=19The Vente penalty claim (not given) against Aberdeen in the League Cup semi, where the goalies elbow came down on Vente's foot is a good comparison with that one.

Micky Mouse wears a Scottish Referees Association watch.

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[Smartie]

Goldson then threw him to the ground again straight after.

I thought Marcondes was at it a bit there tbf.

[DaveF]

For anyone still not persuaded that should be a foul on Marcondes last night, here's a wee reminder of a penalty awarded to Rangers at Livvy this season by the same Ref and VAR officials, Mclean and Kirkland

https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1764974083639304377?t=XYPLoOKwOKmk1lwwsIXxDQ&s=19

It's incredible isn't it. If that is the threshold McLean and co have for penalties, then the Marcondes one last night was cast iron.

Yet, somehow, McLean's blue glasses got in the way.

[Kato]

I thought Marcondes was at it a bit there tbf.Was he making Goldson's arm come across his chest?

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[greenginger]

More of a penalty than the one against us and when he ended up crashed into the keeper it looks like hand ball to me too

I don’t know about Goldson hand ball but at the beginning of the clip , the ball drops out the air and seems to get deflected which can only be Tavineer’s arm.

Outside the box but a free kick in a very dangerous spot.

[Smartie]

Was he making Goldson's arm come across his chest?

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I meant the bit after, when Goldson was helping him to his feet and he fell back down.

He didn’t throw him back to the ground, Marcondes flailed and tried to make it look like it was something it wasn’t.


Re Goldson’s arm - yes, there’s contact but that doesn’t make it a foul - as per their penalty.

[Kato]

I meant the bit after, when Goldson was helping him to his feet and he fell back down.

He didn’t throw him back to the ground, Marcondes flailed and tried to make it look like it was something it wasn’t.

Ok. That's a fair point.



Re Goldson’s arm - yes, there’s contact but that doesn’t make it a foul - as per their penalty.

They are either both pens or neither are.



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[matty_f]

I meant the bit after, when Goldson was helping him to his feet and he fell back down.

He didn’t throw him back to the ground, Marcondes flailed and tried to make it look like it was something it wasn’t.


Re Goldson’s arm - yes, there’s contact but that doesn’t make it a foul - as per their penalty.

Goldson shouldn’t be pulling him up.

[Tyler Durden]

He certainly flings himself down, issue is so did Sterling and so did Vargas. Both given immediately without a second thought.

I know, I know.

It's actually gotten to the point it's just *****ing draining. We get gaslit by these idiot west coast pundits that the merest contact should be penalty. Until it's our turn and it's just dismissed.

[Tyler Durden]

Goldson shouldn’t be pulling him up.

I agree. But again this sort of thing is just totally dismissed. Whilst Obita putting his hands on McAusland is viewed as proof that he's "lost the plot" and deserves to be sent off. :rolleyes:

[HendoDelivered]

You only get them if you play for Rangers or Celtic

[gbhibby]

Marcondes one is a penalty and so is the penalty given to them under the laws of the game. You cannot give one without the other
Goldson seems to get away with more handballs and impeding opposition players than any other player in Scotland.

[MWHIBBIES]

We didnt even get a VAR review:hilarious

It would've been reviewed. Everything is. It just would've been quickly dismissed as the Hibs player wasn't killed.

[LaMotta]

It would've been reviewed. Everything is. It just would've been quickly dismissed as the Hibs player wasn't killed.

Yeh you are right in that everything is reviewed of sorts, I meant a proper review like when the ref goes to his ear and they stop the game for a bit to properly check. Seems like that only happens against us.

[Don Giovanni]

I agree. But again this sort of thing is just totally dismissed. Whilst Obita putting his hands on McAusland is viewed as proof that he's "lost the plot" and deserves to be sent off. :rolleyes:

This marked Obita's card.

As soon as he laid hands on one of them his fate was sealed.

McLean was just looking for an excuse to book him again and as it turns he'd even settle for inventing a foul to send Obita off.

Just following Goldsons orders :rolleyes:

[jakedance]

It would be really cool if penalty incidents could be debated on their own merits, without having to factor in who they’re for or against. The game is rigged, there is simply far too much evidence to ignore.

[CentreLine]

I think the solution is that, whoever SEVCO are playing, the game should start from the opposition penalty spot. Get their penalty out of the way then get on with the game.