Three big decisions. How many were correct?

[Hibernia&Alba]

A penalty and two red cards. For me, the penalty was correct. It was clumsy; I would want that given our way. I think both reds were wrong. The first looked accidental and lacked any force; the second was a strong tackle, but he wasn’t out of control or two-footed. Just very poor from the official.

[Gatecrasher]

If the penalty was correct, we should have had a penalty in the second half.

Fwiw I think the ref got all the big calls incorrect.

[Hibernian Verse]

If the penalty was correct, we should have had a penalty in the second half.

Fwiw I think the ref got all the big calls incorrect.

Emiliano was lucky not to be sent off for that dive IMO he was already on a yellow. Ref did him a favour.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Definitely a penalty for me.

Obitas second yellow id probably say was a booking. I actually can’t even remember his first one?

NMW, it’s not a clever tackle, I’d probably put it in the ‘lenient yellow/soft red’ area.

The problem with all 3 of the decisions is that we likely wouldnt get any of them against the Old Firm, never mind all 3.

[VoltaireHibs]

I think all the decisions could be argued as being correct. That isn't really the point. The point is though that those decisions are never going to be given against Rangers. Tom Lawrence made exactly the same tackle as Obita did, wrong side, clumsy challenge. No card. That's where the frustration lies.

I feel Obita was always going off. Sooner or later, he was gone mentally after the spot kick.

N-M was debatable. If it had happened against us we'd be screaming for a red. No doubt. But it's one that I can see why it's been given. It was the speed and eagerness of McLean to give it. If that's a Rangers player then that's never playing out that way.

[Real Emerald]

It wasn’t just the big decisions, it was every decision all over the park. They get every 50/50c, 40/50, 0/100. It absolutely stinks and anyone who can watch that and say they’re not corrupt is kidding themselves on,

[The Modfather]

A penalty and two red cards. For me, the penalty was correct. It was clumsy; I would want that given our way. I think both reds were wrong. The first looked accidental and lacked any force; the second was a strong tackle, but he wasn’t out of control or two-footed. Just very poor from the official.

Thought it was a penalty and red for Obita. Moria-Welsh maybe should have been a yellow, but was reckless and out of control, contact or not, IMO. So think the red is 50/50.

I don’t think it’s the big decisions that highlight the issue. It’s all the little fouls and cards given, or not, throughout games that massively favour the Old Firm. They all add up to giving Rangers & Celtc an institutional bias over 90 minutes against everyone else. Things like number of fouls per card (someone put the stats up for that recently) etc. I’d also love to see stats for added on time when the Old Firm are winning v when they are not.

[The Tubs]

Having now seen the Boyle incident carefully, that's a clear red card.

Is there any footage of the high foot on Fish?

[jakedance]

It can be argued that each decision was right, the problem is that I don’t see any chance we’d get them at the other end. A bit of naivety by Hibs to give the ref the decisions to make.

[Callum_62]

Definitely a penalty for me.

Obitas second yellow id probably say was a booking. I actually can’t even remember his first one?

NMW, it’s not a clever tackle, I’d probably put it in the ‘lenient yellow/soft red’ area.

The problem with all 3 of the decisions is that we likely wouldnt get any of them against the Old Firm, never mind all 3.No chance - rangers get treated exactly the same

Mind that time Lundstram got sent off for this?

https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1766930559152844925?t=Z_mlOb0OL6-djB10bAx4Tw&s=19

Eh, sorry I got that wrong - it wasn't even a foul.

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[Baldy Foghorn]

There was a foul on Boyle on lead up to the penalty, and thought they were offside too. Anyone who viewed on TV agree?

[Hibernia&Alba]

Having now seen the Boyle incident carefully, that's a clear red card.

Is there any footage of the high foot on Fish?

Aye, we need a separate poll for the big decisions that weren’t taken! Basically, anything by Sevco players.

[Callum_62]

There was a foul on Boyle on lead up to the penalty, and thought they were offside too. Anyone who viewed on TV agree?No foul on Boyle and no offiside

Wasn't a foul on sterling either imo

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[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Yeah, I think the biggest question should be. Would Hibs (or any other team) get these decisions at Ibrox? I think we all know the answer to that.

[DaveF]

No chance - rangers get treated exactly the same

Mind that time Lundstram got sent off for this?

https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1766930559152844925?t=Z_mlOb0OL6-djB10bAx4Tw&s=19

Eh, sorry I got that wrong - it wasn't even a foul.

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Case closed. It's exactly the same ducking thing.

Hunbelivable.

[LaMotta]

Zero out of three correct

Boyle is fouled in midfield in the run up to the penalty. A soft foul and as usual Boyle goes down easily but its a foul, So it shouldn't be a penalty for that reason. Obita never a second yellow - ref didn't even see it - he reacted to Goldson demanding a yellow. Moriah Welsh - Not a red card. All three Viaplay pundits ( Lennon, Bartley & even Hutton) said it was a yellow at most and Ref should have been called to the screen.

Steven McLean is a ***in awful ref - he proved that last season when he sent off Youan at Celtic Park when Youan weas actually fouled.:rolleyes:

[Callum_62]

How about fish kick to the head?

Haven't seen it back but we know they types of tackles are in the spotlight

We didn't even get a foul

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[hibee_girl]

Zero out of three correct

Boyle is fouled in midfield in the run up to the penalty. A soft foul and as usual Boyle goes down easily but its a foul, So it shouldn't be a penalty for that reason. Obita never a second yellow - ref didn't even see it - he reacted to Goldson demanding a yellow. Moriah Welsh - Not a red card. All three Viaplay pundits ( Lennon, Bartley & even Hutton) said it was a yellow at most and Ref should have been called to the screen.

Steven McLean is a ***in awful ref - he proved that last season when he sent off Youan at Celtic Park when Youan weas actually fouled.:rolleyes:

That's exactly how I saw the red cards.

[The Baldmans Comb]

It's a daft premise to even suggest this is a level playing field by questioning if the calls were correct or not.

Hibs couldn't and wouldn't have got any of these calls nor any of the 2/3 others not mentioned.

The best our utter sapp of a manager could say was some mumble about "questionable" and as always the sappiest club in Scotland by a long way won't have a thing to say about anything.

[JohnM1875]

Never in a million years is it a second yellow for Obita. Just two players tussling for the ball. Not a chance in hell they'd get a yellow for a similar incident. Abysmal decision. Cheating prick of a ref.

[Real Emerald]

It's a daft premise to even suggest this is a level playing field by questioning if the calls were correct or not.

Hibs couldn't and wouldn't have got any of these calls nor any of the 2/3 others not mentioned.

The best our utter sapp of a manager could say was some mumble about "questionable" and as always the sappiest club in Scotland by a long way won't have a thing to say about anything.

Yep, our manager is a wet blanket, very frustrating listening to his weak drivel when we’ve been cheated all over the park. He’s not got it i him to be forceful and assertive. Until we get someone who calls this pish out we’ll be constantly walked over.

[Scooter]

Only 3?

Obita sending off
The Rangers pen
Welsh sending off
Hibs denied pen (pull on Marcondes)
Challenge on Boyle.
No booking for sliva

[Donegal Hibby]

A penalty and two red cards. For me, the penalty was correct. It was clumsy; I would want that given our way. I think both reds were wrong. The first looked accidental and lacked any force; the second was a strong tackle, but he wasn’t out of control or two-footed. Just very poor from the official.

Went for zero , seem to remember us having one similar in another game and instead of getting a penalty Boyle was booked for diving . Thought both red card decisions were wrong too . Referee was an absolute disgrace tonight and got very little right even after what happened to Boyle he gave the ball to the Sevco keeper. Very few decisions went our way once again .

[LaMotta]

Yep, our manager is a wet blanket, very frustrating listening to his weak drivel when we’ve been cheated all over the park. He’s not got it i him to be forceful and assertive. Until we get someone who calls this pish out we’ll be constantly walked over.

Apparently the club has decided not to criticise officials in interviews. That strategy isn't working. Just be honest in interviews and take any fines/bans as a result of it.

[Callum_62]

Only 3?

Obita sending off
The Rangers pen
Welsh sending off
Hibs denied pen (pull on Marcondes)
Challenge on Boyle.
No booking for slivaFish being kicked at head height

Every single 40/60 went to rangers today

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[hibbydog]

I thought they were all correct.

Penalty - clumsy, wrong side and we’d be screaming for a penalty if it was at the other end.

Obita red card was only a matter of time. He was on a booking and he was mouthing off at Macausland for time wasting. Manager should have subbed him at that point. Poor from NM and JO had his worst game in a Hibs strip.

Moriah- Welsh red card - defo a red. Wild. Wasn’t mental violence, and I was p***ed off that the referee got the card out so quickly. But defo a red.

Take the green tinted specs off and ask yourself what you’d think if these fouls were on Hibs players, and you have your answer.

[Callum_62]

Drop ball.to rangers keeper

Seems.fine

https://twitter.com/TompoL19371676/status/1766911173796966776?t=unR1ZO9APg2mOn1SGIkOHA&s=19

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[JohnM1875]

I thought they were all correct.

Penalty - clumsy, wrong side and we’d be screaming for a penalty if it was at the other end.

Obita red card was only a matter of time. He was on a booking and he was mouthing off at Macausland for time wasting. Manager should have subbed him at that point. Poor from NM and JO had his worst game in a Hibs strip.

Moriah- Welsh red card - defo a red. Wild. Wasn’t mental violence, and I was p***ed off that the referee got the card out so quickly. But defo a red.

Take the green tinted specs off and ask yourself what you’d think if these fouls were on Hibs players, and you have your answer.

Haven't seen the pen back yet but knew straight away at the game it was a pen

Completely disagree with the second Obita yellow. No danger are we getting that decision if roles are reversed.

Moriah-Welsh I was fuming at the game but seeing it back have no real complaints with it being a red.

[Swedish hibee]

Never a pen. You'd never get that in the box at Ibrox.
Not a booking for Obita, but he should have been already subbed by Monty.
Never ever ever ever a straight red.

So fed up.

[Manxhibs]

Drop ball.to rangers keeper

Seems.fine

https://twitter.com/TompoL19371676/status/1766911173796966776?t=unR1ZO9APg2mOn1SGIkOHA&s=19

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That is incredible, I did wonder why they wouldn’t show a replay and just thought it was out of respect to Boyle. How someone can watch that and not think that is a foul is beyond cheating. He’s gone as far as to endanger our players.

[HibbyKeith]

Add to the list the Rangers second goal scorer, who left the field of play, climbed over and sat on the electronic advertising board. No booking!

unless of course the rules state that you can leave the field of play as long as your feet dont touch the ground on the other side of the advertising.

As usual, one rule for that mob and another for everyone else.

[Carheenlea]

The “contact” isn’t enough to bring the Rangers player down. Dive, and one that’s a bit over elaborate for the mildest of hand on shoulder.

Do we get that at Ibrox? Never in a million years.

[LaMotta]

I thought they were all correct.

Penalty - clumsy, wrong side and we’d be screaming for a penalty if it was at the other end.

Obita red card was only a matter of time. He was on a booking and he was mouthing off at Macausland for time wasting. Manager should have subbed him at that point. Poor from NM and JO had his worst game in a Hibs strip.

Moriah- Welsh red card - defo a red. Wild. Wasn’t mental violence, and I was p***ed off that the referee got the card out so quickly. But defo a red.

Take the green tinted specs off and ask yourself what you’d think if these fouls were on Hibs players, and you have your answer.

Nonsense. When even Alan Hutton is saying that the MW tackle is not a red then I think you know its the wrong decision.

[JohnM1875]

Nonsense. When even Alan Hutton is saying that the MW tackle is not a red then I think you know its the wrong decision.

Never understood why folk use that as an argument. on Twitter 'even Neil Lennon is saying it wasn't a foul on Boyle' 'even Allan Hutton is saying MW wasn't a red card'. Nine times out of ten we slaughter the same pundits for talking absolute pish, but because they're now saying something in our favour it makes them right?

[flash]

Never understood why folk use that as an argument. on Twitter 'even Neil Lennon is saying it wasn't a foul on Boyle' 'even Allan Hutton is saying MW wasn't a red card'. Nine times out of ten we slaughter the same pundits for talking absolute pish, but because they're now saying something in our favour it makes them right?

Except they are right. Otherwise good point.

[Smartie]

I thought they were all correct.

Penalty - clumsy, wrong side and we’d be screaming for a penalty if it was at the other end.

Obita red card was only a matter of time. He was on a booking and he was mouthing off at Macausland for time wasting. Manager should have subbed him at that point. Poor from NM and JO had his worst game in a Hibs strip.

Moriah- Welsh red card - defo a red. Wild. Wasn’t mental violence, and I was p***ed off that the referee got the card out so quickly. But defo a red.

Take the green tinted specs off and ask yourself what you’d think if these fouls were on Hibs players, and you have your answer.

Moriah-Welsh red card was the closest to being correct, it was a bit wild.

The rest were absolute nonsense but decisions I could accept if we hadn’t had identical decisions go against us in recent weeks.

[LaMotta]

Never understood why folk use that as an argument. on Twitter 'even Neil Lennon is saying it wasn't a foul on Boyle' 'even Allan Hutton is saying MW wasn't a red card'. Nine times out of ten we slaughter the same pundits for talking absolute pish, but because they're now saying something in our favour it makes them right?


It's really not that hard to work out why. Hutton is not that bad a pundit, - but he is of a Rangers persuasion. So if he is saying that it was a yellow at most then its clearly not a stonewall red. The fact the other two pundits both agree is pretty telling. As Flash points out above the reason they are right on this decision is because they are right.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The “contact” isn’t enough to bring the Rangers player down. Dive, and one that’s a bit over elaborate for the mildest of hand on shoulder.

Do we get that at Ibrox? Never in a million years.

No, I doubt very much we would get the same penalty at Ibrox, but I actually think it was the right call. Not a chance two Rangers players would have been sent off for the same incidents.

[JohnM1875]

It's really not that hard to work out why. Hutton is not that bad a pundit, - but he is of a Rangers persuasion. So if he is saying that it was a yellow at most then its clearly not a stonewall red. The fact the other two pundits both agree is pretty telling. As Flash points out above the reason they are right on this decision is because they are right.

They've won 2-0 and into the next round of the cup. Do you honestly think if that was 0-0 or Hibs had won then Hutton would still be saying it wasn't a red?

[LaMotta]

They've won 2-0 and into the next round of the cup. Do you honestly think if that was 0-0 or Hibs had won then Hutton would still be saying it wasn't a red?

Yes of course, because it wasn't a red card challenge.

[matty_f]

We were never getting to win that match tonight.

Every decision, big or small, went in Rangers’ favour unless it was absolutely clear it was a Hibs foul.

[Carheenlea]

If Martin Boyle went down like that, do we get the penalty?

[JimBHibees]

I’d Matin Boyle went down like that, do we get the penalty?

The recent Celtic game for your answer

[GreenGray]

Can debate the decisions all day long.

It’s the performance as a whole that I thought was awful. Failed to control the game and every 50/50 went to rangers. Some really baffling calls in there too.

Standard of officiating in this country is awful.


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[Eyrie]

The penalty was the correct decision. Had that been Tavernier on Boyle, we'd have expected to get it even against the Huns.

Obita's second yellow was ridiculous. McLean had lost control of the game, as evidenced by him booking Roofe for a minor foul, and over-reacted to some pathetic play acting by the Hun.

Moriah-Welsh was only a yellow. The TV pictures clearly show no contact, so it was reckless rather than dangerous and doesn't meet the red card threshold. If we had competent officials, I'd appeal.

[B.H.F.C]

I don’t actually think the big decisions were absolute shockers. It’s just the fact that that pair are refereed completely differently. McLean wasn’t even subtle about it tonight. Right from the first whistle they got everything.

I’d have wanted a penalty at the penalty but we wouldn’t have got it.

The way Moriah-Welsh went in, you’d have been screaming for a red card. I was directly behind it in the east and my first thought was that it was a red card so I understood why it got given at the time. Other way round, VAR ask him to reconsider though.

Obita one I’ve not had a proper view of yet so not sure.

[ChilliEater]

I would want the penalty if it was for us - but as a others have said, we didn't get it in a very similar scenario against Celtic.

Thought the second yellow and straight red were both ridiculously soft.

As for the 3(?) posters having a go at the manager for not criticising the decisions - being soft and "a sap" :confused::confused::confused::confused:

“I’ve got a lot of respect for John Lundstram. He’s a top, top player. But I thought the way he went down, Nathan didn’t catch him.

“I’ve seen that one back and he’s gone across him to try to block him playing a ball down the line, probably knock it out for a throw-in. But John has gone down.

“And the referee was very quick to give the card. To be honest, I was really surprised he didn’t go to the VAR monitor to have a look, considering it was three metres from where the incident happened. There’s just sometimes a bit of inconsistency, looking at decisions.”

Commenting on the penalty that led to Rangers’ opener, Montgomery added: “We can talk about whether it’s a penalty or whether it’s not a penalty. A couple of weeks ago, against Celtic, we had the exact same incident with Martin Boyle – a quick winger running inside, the fullback chasing, any contact … but Martin gets a yellow card, and we get a penalty given against us today.

“You see incidents like that - and it does just baffle you at times. Obviously, he’s slowed down to initiate the contact from Jordan. I can’t say whether it was or wasn’t a penalty – but it wasn’t a penalty for us a few weeks ago and it was a penalty tonight. That’s disappointing.

“The officials probably had a bit of a bad day today, to be honest. But we all have bad days.

“There’s no point in speaking to them. I think we’ve had a lot of calls go against us the last couple of weeks, and one or two apologies, but there’s no point in speaking to them today. It’s not going to change anything."

I think he's made it clear what he thinks, and tried to do it in a way that should, but might not, just keep him out of trouble? What do think he should have said that would be tough and challenging and calling out?

[wookie70]

The penalty was the correct decision. Had that been Tavernier on Boyle, we'd have expected to get it even against the Huns.

Obita's second yellow was ridiculous. McLean had lost control of the game, as evidenced by him booking Roofe for a minor foul, and over-reacted to some pathetic play acting by the Hun.

Moriah-Welsh was only a yellow. The TV pictures clearly show no contact, so it was reckless rather than dangerous and doesn't meet the red card threshold. If we had competent officials, I'd appeal.

That is pretty much my view but their penalty only happened because the ref never gave a foul on Boyle just before it. They looked very similar challenges to me but of course we all know that shirt colour has to be factored in when adjudging similar incidents. McLean is completely corrupt. He never seen the Obita second yellow at all and the linesman didn't flag or appear to make any voice contact. That was pure corruption and came from The The players telling him what happened. He never saw MW correctly. To be honest neither did I at the game but I have age and distance on my side for making the error. Looking at the TV pictures that is never a red as the only contact was NMW back on that cheating so and so's foot. So many other decisions that could have swayed the game our way predictably not given. Pretty standard ref performance against them and special mention to the West Stand lino who flag offside when play should have continued when we were on the attack even on occasions it wasn't clear if there was offside. However, in the second half he never put his flag up until we cleared the ball and it looked like finding a Hibs player. Completely brutal to pay all that cash and watch officials deliberately favour one team even when they get to watch it in slow motion. They were there for teh taking tonight and the officials knew it

[LaMotta]

That is pretty much my view but their penalty only happened because the ref never gave a foul on Boyle just before it. They looked very similar challenges to me but of course we all know that shirt colour has to be factored in when adjudging similar incidents. McLean is completely corrupt. He never seen the Obita second yellow at all and the linesman didn't flag or appear to make any voice contact. That was pure corruption and came from The The players telling him what happened. He never saw MW correctly. To be honest neither did I at the game but I have age and distance on my side for making the error. Looking at the TV pictures that is never a red as the only contact was NMW back on that cheating so and so's foot. So many other decisions that could have swayed the game our way predictably not given. Pretty standard ref performance against them and special mention to the West Stand lino who flag offside when play should have continued when we were on the attack even on occasions it wasn't clear if there was offside. However, in the second half he never put his flag up until we cleared the ball and it looked like finding a Hibs player. Completely brutal to pay all that cash and watch officials deliberately favour one team even when they get to watch it in slow motion. They were there for teh taking tonight and the officials knew it

Agree with every word.

[cubehindthegoal]

If the penalty was correct, we should have had a penalty in the second half.

Fwiw I think the ref got all the big calls incorrect.

And this is what we are encouraged to forget, when we discuss whether any decisions could be right or not, that if - and when, there are plenty examples of this, season after season after season - they were up the other end of the park, we invariably do not get them … and players who are fouled like that, like Martin Boyle can be, for us … we’ll … it’s a dive … it’s not enough contact … it’s blah blah …

… if Martin Boyle played for either of them, he’d get plenty penalties awarded. But that’s ok then ?

[cubehindthegoal]

The point is :

How many of the calls were correct in this match v the .. and the last match v hearts .. and v celtic match … and aberdeen …

If you can’t see a theme, then it’s time to visit the optician. Decisions are made against us, when they matter. The referee tonight was looking to jump on something to stop Hibs putting up a fight, when we did .. and he did.

[ehf]

The red cards were debatable but the penalty was a blatant dive.

[matty_f]

The red cards were debatable but the penalty was a blatant dive.

I thought the boy dived watching it live from the West stand, and I’ve seen the replay now I’m home and i still think it’s a dive and the forward looks fit the contact when he’s already on his way down.

I don’t know if it’s too late for Hibs to appeal Boyle’s yellow card for diving against Celtic, but that decision strengthens their case immeasurably.

[Musselbound]

I thought they were all correct.

Penalty - clumsy, wrong side and we’d be screaming for a penalty if it was at the other end.

Obita red card was only a matter of time. He was on a booking and he was mouthing off at Macausland for time wasting. Manager should have subbed him at that point. Poor from NM and JO had his worst game in a Hibs strip.

Moriah- Welsh red card - defo a red. Wild. Wasn’t mental violence, and I was p***ed off that the referee got the card out so quickly. But defo a red.

Take the green tinted specs off and ask yourself what you’d think if these fouls were on Hibs players, and you have your answer.

You can scream for a pen all you like but we wouldn't get it. As was shown the other week when Boyle was booked for what was more a foul than this. Not a pen for me. If there was a pull on the shirt then yes but there isn't. The forward is already falling over/diving.

I have less of an issue with the red cards. I wouldn't go as far as defo a red card for MW but can see how it was given. Obita second yellow I don't know but he could easily have gone for shoving Mcausland off and should have been subbed himself at that point.

[007]

Not a penalty. You can clearly see the Rangers player letting his legs give way. Marcondes does the same when Goldson is making contact from behind and has a hold of his arm but surprise surprise, no penalty given.

For Obita's 2nd yellow the guy made the most of it but Obita was naive to give the ref the opportunity. Souttar's attempt to gouge Marcondes in the face was much worse but surprise surprise, nothing given.

NMW was needless and one of those that could go either way so was obvious which way it would go.

[Carheenlea]

The Boyle claim against a Celtic was largely agreed that while it would have been soft, you just needed to ask yourself if it would have been given at the other end.

Tonight we got the answer. They’re penalties for some clubs, but not others. There was more contact for the Boyle claim than that one tonight. “Enough contact to go down” - again, subject to club.

Two tier refereeing that has sadly been allowed to infiltrate our game. We’re probably in too deep now to do anything about it.

[NAE NOOKIE]

It looked like a decent penalty shout and I would have been annoyed if Hibs hadn't been given one for it if it was in their box.

The challenge by Moriah-Welsh was daft and reckless ... I didn't see any real contact, but still I've seen reds given for that in other games.

Obita got sent off for annoying the ref a few minutes before. At the game I didn't think McLean was looking at the incident and on the telly it didn't look that way either. He reacted to the shout from the away end and a sticky bun nipping his ear ... he basically gave Obita a second yellow for an incident he didn't see.

Two out of three correct ... ish.

But in the end they got decisions we didn't. Would a sticky bun have been sent off at Ibrox for Moriah-Welsh's challenge? not in my opinion, the ref would have been sent to the screen seen no contact and downgraded it to a yellow. Would a sticky bun have got a second yellow for the Obita incident? not a chance.

[cubehindthegoal]

The Boyle claim against a Celtic was largely agreed that while it would have been soft, you just needed to ask yourself if it would have been given at the other end.

Tonight we got the answer. They’re penalties for some clubs, but not others. There was more contact for the Boyle claim than that one tonight. “Enough contact to go down” - again, subject to club.

Two tier refereeing that has sadly been allowed to infiltrate our game. We’re probably in too deep now to do anything about it.

And that is what plays into their hands … the comparisons are too distant apart ..days and weeks, or months even .. so they are not called out.

[lyonhibs]

All 3 were correct, or at least not so far wrong (a la Aberdeen handball) as to merit much further analysis themselves.

What's more interesting is what did *not* get given......

[Hibs1969]

The “contact” isn’t enough to bring the Rangers player down. Dive, and one that’s a bit over elaborate for the mildest of hand on shoulder.

Do we get that at Ibrox? Never in a million years.

I’m pretty sure Boyle got booked for diving v Celtic recently when he went down in the box under a very similar challenge.

[lyonhibs]

I’m pretty sure Boyle got booked for diving v Celtic recently when he went down in the box under a very similar challenge.

That, along with the Aberdeen handball, are the 2 really grim calls that haven't gone our way in the last couple of months.

[McGruber]

None were correct for me though can live with the penalty, very soft but clumsy and gives ref option.
2nd yellow (he was going at some point) ref doesn't see, doesn't give but on review - not by VAR but by Tavanier and Goldson - is a free kick and booking.
Moriah-Welsh, rash to go in like that but was yellow

[we are hibs]

If the one on the Hun was a penalty then the one on Marcondes was.


There was the same level of contact in both.

[He's here!]

I'd say it's hard to argue that the referee didn't have reasonable cause to act as he did with all three decisions. Definite penalty, Obita brought his red on himself (but should have been subbed before it got to that stage) and the second red, well, in today's game you're always likely to be sent off for that even if we don't agree with it.

The problem, as others have pointed out, is the inconsistency when it comes to incidents involving Rangers players which went unheeded.

Overall, I thought we competed well and were very much in the game until the first red. Simply beaten by a stronger side who are in the driving seat for the treble. No shame in that.

Oh, and the crowd looked pretty good despite all the anguish about ticket sales.

[DaveF]

That, along with the Aberdeen handball, are the 2 really grim calls that haven't gone our way in the last couple of months.

You think the hearts penalty was correct?

[lyonhibs]

You think the hearts penalty was correct?

Very, very soft but had 0 expectations that he was going to reverse his decision when he was called over to have a 2nd look.

[DaveF]

Very, very soft but had 0 expectations that he was going to reverse his decision when he was called over to have a 2nd look.

You are having a laugh. It was a shocker of a decision to give it and an even worse decision to stick by it. It's 1,000,000% up there with the other 2 you mention as bad decisions.

You can add the decision not to send of Kent for his blatant handball in the previous derby as well. Clear denial of a goal scoring opportunity.

[hhibs]

A penalty and two red cards. For me, the penalty was correct. It was clumsy; I would want that given our way. I think both reds were wrong. The first looked accidental and lacked any force; the second was a strong tackle, but he wasn’t out of control or two-footed. Just very poor from the official.

Read this incorrectly and voted all three thinking ,I had voted all three wrong,doh !

[Onceinawhile]

I would have wanted the penalty and would have wanted Lundstram sent off, if he had made the tackle NMW made.

Obita's first yellow was a stick on and he had clearly lost the plot. Whether he deserved a 2nd yellow though, I'm not sure.

[B.H.F.C]

I would have wanted the penalty and would have wanted Lundstram sent off, if he had made the tackle NMW made.

Obita's first yellow was a stick on and he had clearly lost the plot. Whether he deserved a 2nd yellow though, I'm not sure.

That’s the way I see it as well.

In isolation, I don’t think the decisions were shockers. It’s knowing the outcomes wouldn’t be the same if roles were reversed.

On the Moriah-Welsh one, I’m not buying Montgomery’s comments that he was going in to block the ball. He was going in to do Lundstram and missed. Whether you actually make proper contact these days seems to be a bit of an irrelevance. Again, whether the decisions would have been the same the other way round is doubtful, to say the least.

[Cropley10]

Zero out of three correct

Boyle is fouled in midfield in the run up to the penalty. A soft foul and as usual Boyle goes down easily but its a foul, So it shouldn't be a penalty for that reason. Obita never a second yellow - ref didn't even see it - he reacted to Goldson demanding a yellow. Moriah Welsh - Not a red card. All three Viaplay pundits ( Lennon, Bartley & even Hutton) said it was a yellow at most and Ref should have been called to the screen.

Steven McLean is a ***in awful ref - he proved that last season when he sent off Youan at Celtic Park when Youan weas actually fouled.:rolleyes:

When you have Mikey Stewart, co-commentating, who is no fan of Hibs at all - querying each decision, you know something is badly wrong.

[Cropley10]

Moriah-Welsh red card was the closest to being correct, it was a bit wild.

The rest were absolute nonsense but decisions I could accept if we hadn’t had identical decisions go against us in recent weeks.

Is it excessive force?

Is he out control?

Is he endangering an opponent?

Not for me.

[LaMotta]

You are having a laugh. It was a shocker of a decision to give it and an even worse decision to stick by it. It's 1,000,000% up there with the other 2 you mention as bad decisions.

You can add the decision not to send of Kent for his blatant handball in the previous derby as well. Clear denial of a goal scoring opportunity.

:agree:

[Smartie]

Is it excessive force?

Is he out control?

Is he endangering an opponent?

Not for me.

I thought it was the wrong decision, but you’re probably closer to being able to answer “yes” to these questions than fulfilling the criteria for the other decisions.

[monarch]

After the media fuss and Clemente’s endless bleating about the Motherwell player’s tackle on McCausland last week it was inevitable that any robust tackle on a Sevco player would be met with a red card. Mariah Welsh was the fall guy.

It’s been mentioned elsewhere on here but the lack of comment in the media relating to the assault on Marcondes in the penalty area is surprising. Or perhaps not.

[LaMotta]

After the media fuss and Clemente’s endless bleating about the Motherwell player’s tackle on McCausland last week it was inevitable that any robust tackle on a Sevco player would be met with a red card. Mariah Welsh was the fall guy.

It’s been mentioned elsewhere on here but the lack of comment in the media relating to the assault on Marcondes in the penalty area is surprising. Or perhaps not.

:agree:Just said similar on another thread re McAusland incident v well and Clement calling that out.which is all the more ridiculous as it wasnt even a foul!

[Broken Gnome]

I'm not having NMW as a red as just because you look out of control, doesn't mean you are. He's gone in very fast and aggressively - which ultimately he didn't need to do so there is fault there - but he's done a good job ensuring he didn't make contact with him feet. His left legs miles away for instance, so it's hardly a two footed lunge.

I don't think you're endangering an opponent by ultimately hitting their foot with your lower back, or whatever it was.

Listening to the radio again, they were pretty universal in deciding the Boyle push pre- penalty isn't a foul. Without anything further to go on, we probably seem less hard done by than I thought in those 60 seconds.

The interesting one to me is Marcondes. I don't think think that original fall is a penalty, but the ball's still in play when Goldson grabs him and launches him up and down again. Might be an unconventional one, but he's pretty much fouled him there hasn't he?

[Hibrandenburg]

So many incidents that stank last night.

If their penalty was a penalty then so was the incident up the other end involving Marcondes.

The straight red was a yellow at best.

Boyle got taken out midriff by Souter and regardless if it was intentional or not it was a foul and at least a yellow.

Silva should have been booked for leaving the field after his goal.

The police should be looking at betting on Obita getting a red card.

Lots of minor incidents too which all culminated in our players backing out of 50/50 in the later part of the game.

After the 2nd sending off, the remaining 9 players have to be given a lot of credit keeping the score down to 2.

[JimBHibees]

That, along with the Aberdeen handball, are the 2 really grim calls that haven't gone our way in the last couple of months.

Hearts pen also

[The Harp Awakes]

In isolation you could make a case for all 3 decisions being correct.

The problem is of course, and as others have pointed out, we'd be doing well if got 1 of those 3 decisions if the incidents happened in the other direction.

Refs in Scotland are a mixture of biased, incompetent and spineless. Week after week the decisions are getting worse, party because we've now doubled the amount of biased, incompetent and spineless individuals officiating the game through VAR.

[wookie70]

I thought it was the wrong decision, but you’re probably closer to being able to answer “yes” to these questions than fulfilling the criteria for the other decisions. Like the Porteous red at Ibrox. You can't endanger an opponent if you miss him. Albeit this time NMW did make contact it was with his back and there was no danger at that point. Meanwhile Lundstrum can go in harder and make contact high on Josh Doig and it isn't even a foul. I think most are saying don't look at the call look at the comparisons and that is exactly what the club should be doing. We should have countless examples of how we are treated differently for big calls

[B.H.F.C]

Is there any footage of our player (think it was Fish) getting kicked around the stomach area in the box first half? It barely seems to have had a mention so not sure if it’s one of them where I saw something that didn’t actually happen but looked a pen all day to me.

[wookie70]

Is there any footage of our player (think it was Fish) getting kicked around the stomach area in the box first half? It barely seems to have had a mention so not sure if it’s one of them where I saw something that didn’t actually happen but looked a pen all day to me.
I saw a still and it was far nearer forehead than stomach. Was there a hint of a handball before that too

[john rossi]

Penalty harsh but by the letter of the law then yes Obita second yellow very soft Moriah Welsh yellow would have sufficed

[Keith_M]

As others have said, each of the decisions is debatable, but the actual problem is that similar/identical incidents are treated differently for each side.

Rangers player falls over in box, after slightest touch = penalty to Rangers
Hibs player falls over after identical amount of contact = no foul.

Hibs player makes what the referee deems a dangerous challenge = Red Card
Ranger player makes almost identical challenge = Not even a foul, never mind a card.


Add that to the dubious offsides given by the linesman and it's no wonder people are raging.