Managing 3 Games in 6 Days

[King Cosell]

I'd play our strongest side on Sunday, make lots changes for Ross County on the Wednesday and back to full strength for Livingston.

XI for Ross County would be something like:

Marshall

Cadden
Hanlon
Fish
Stevenson

Triantis
NMW

Jair
Levitt
Youan

Alf

I'm worried he keeps an unchanged side for Wednesday, they put in a tired performance and lose 1-0 to a 'right up for it' Ross County and then the same side drops points to Livi.

Aberdeen are gone, we've got a nice little gap over Motherwell and Dundee have got a tough run-in. I think the changed side would have more chance of winning in Dingwall, but a draw wouldn't be a disaster. We'd have all the big boys on the bench, could make a big impact in the last 20-25 mins.

[MWHIBBIES]

Rotation should be a few at a time. Whole team at once is asking for it

[cubehindthegoal]

I'd play our strongest side on Sunday, make lots changes for Ross County on the Wednesday and Back to full strength for Livingston.

XI for Ross County would be something like:

Marshall

Cadden
Hanlon
Fish
Stevenson

Triantis
NMW

Jair
Levitt
Youan

Alf

I'm worried he keeps an unchanged side for Wednesday, they put in a tired performance and lose 1-0 to a 'right up for it' Ross County and then the same side drops points to Livi.

Aberdeen are gone, we've got a nice little gap over Motherwell and Dundee have got a tough run-in. I think the changed side would have more chance of winning in Dingwall, but a draw wouldn't be a disaster. We'd have all the big boys on the bench, could make a big impact in the last 20-25 mins.

Not bad thinking … debatable opinion as to the choice of what our strongest choice is of course … but the fact you could impact with nigh on half a dozen players at half time / later in the match … might well work.

[1875Sean]

I'd play our strongest side on Sunday, make lots changes for Ross County on the Wednesday and Back to full strength for Livingston.

XI for Ross County would be something like:

Marshall

Cadden
Hanlon
Fish
Stevenson

Triantis
NMW

Jair
Levitt
Youan

Alf

I'm worried he keeps an unchanged side for Wednesday, they put in a tired performance and lose 1-0 to a 'right up for it' Ross County and then the same side drops points to Livi.

Aberdeen are gone, we've got a nice little gap over Motherwell and Dundee have got a tough run-in. I think the changed side would have more chance of winning in Dingwall, but a draw wouldn't be a disaster. We'd have all the big boys on the bench, could make a big impact in the last 20-25 mins.

Far too many changes for me, wouldn’t have Triantis or Jair starting games we need to win, maybe Alf, Cadden, Hanlon and maybe youan

[Yorkshire HFC]

[QUOTE=King Cosell;7604826]I'd play our strongest side on Sunday, make lots changes for Ross County on the Wednesday and Back to full strength for Livingston.

Surely the Rangers game is the most important game?

The Cup is our only chance of glory - I'd put everything into that game and then deal with the other games afterwards.

[MKHIBEE]

[QUOTE=King Cosell;7604826]I'd play our strongest side on Sunday, make lots changes for Ross County on the Wednesday and Back to full strength for Livingston.

Surely the Rangers game is the most important game?

The Cup is our only chance of glory - I'd put everything into that game and then deal with the other games afterwards.
That will be why he would play our strongest side on sunday

[JimBHibees]

I'd play our strongest side on Sunday, make lots changes for Ross County on the Wednesday and Back to full strength for Livingston.

XI for Ross County would be something like:

Marshall

Cadden
Hanlon
Fish
Stevenson

Triantis
NMW

Jair
Levitt
Youan

Alf

I'm worried he keeps an unchanged side for Wednesday, they put in a tired performance and lose 1-0 to a 'right up for it' Ross County and then the same side drops points to Livi.

Aberdeen are gone, we've got a nice little gap over Motherwell and Dundee have got a tough run-in. I think the changed side would have more chance of winning in Dingwall, but a draw wouldn't be a disaster. We'd have all the big boys on the bench, could make a big impact in the last 20-25 mins.

One game at a time. See how Sunday goes. What is for sure is that the time of the game ihas only been scheduled for one team as a Sunday night with a midweek game after isn't ideal especially the possibility of extra time.

[JimBHibees]

Rotation should be a few at a time. Whole team at once is asking for it

Agree Sunday will be full on well hopefully as the recent home games have been uncompetitive. There will I assume be a fair number of subs just hope no injuries.

[Tambo]

The players are on a nice break this week, let's go for it and strongest team available in each game.

I do understand why a few chances could happen though.

[McGruber]

I'd play our strongest side on Sunday, make lots changes for Ross County on the Wednesday and Back to full strength for Livingston.

XI for Ross County would be something like:

Marshall

Cadden
Hanlon
Fish
Stevenson

Triantis
NMW

Jair
Levitt
Youan

Alf

I'm worried he keeps an unchanged side for Wednesday, they put in a tired performance and lose 1-0 to a 'right up for it' Ross County and then the same side drops points to Livi.

Aberdeen are gone, we've got a nice little gap over Motherwell and Dundee have got a tough run-in. I think the changed side would have more chance of winning in Dingwall, but a draw wouldn't be a disaster. We'd have all the big boys on the bench, could make a big impact in the last 20-25 mins.

Agree with the sentiment if not the team choice. Cadden in reality will be a good bit away from starting games still and Jair I wouldn't trust to start either. A battling Ross Co away probably not his cup of tea. Would leave Rocky where he is, be fresh enough after not playing in AFCON and been brilliant since came back in.
ALF, Youan, Levitt, Mayenda, Amos if fit, Stevenson players we could trust and use. Hanlon for Fish maybe, Fish played more minutes than anyone

[Ray_]

I'd play our strongest side on Sunday, make lots changes for Ross County on the Wednesday and Back to full strength for Livingston.

XI for Ross County would be something like:

Marshall

Cadden
Hanlon
Fish
Stevenson

Triantis
NMW

Jair
Levitt
Youan

Alf

I'm worried he keeps an unchanged side for Wednesday, they put in a tired performance and lose 1-0 to a 'right up for it' Ross County and then the same side drops points to Livi.

Aberdeen are gone, we've got a nice little gap over Motherwell and Dundee have got a tough run-in. I think the changed side would have more chance of winning in Dingwall, but a draw wouldn't be a disaster. We'd have all the big boys on the bench, could make a big impact in the last 20-25 mins.


Goodness knows how we got on when we had basic teams, playing in Europe almost every season, Hibs players representing Scotland in all levels [adding to the games], playing on mud bath's against opponents who would cut the more skilled players in half. So pleased we never had sports scientists back then :greengrin

[Ronniekirk]

Not bad thinking … debatable opinion as to the choice of what our strongest choice is of course … but the fact you could impact with nigh on half a dozen players at half time / later in the match … might well work.
We saw how leggy some players were v county after the Hearts game so don’t think he woukd risk playing sn unchanged team
Cadden probably can’t last the full 90 mins yet
But agree how we rotate squad will be key as I think we really need to be winning the two league games or minimum taking four points But teams round about all play Aberdeen so I would rather go for six points

[MWHIBBIES]

Goodness knows how we got on when we had basic teams, playing in Europe almost every season, Hibs players representing Scotland in all levels [adding to the games], playing on mud bath's against opponents who would cut the more skilled players in half. So pleased we never had sports scientists back then :greengrin

Game was played at half the speed.

[Mcbizz1998]

Play that team up in Dingwall and we will lose. Just play our best team for each game, we don’t have the depth to rotate.

[B.H.F.C]

Just take each game as it comes.

We’re not good enough to totally change the team about. Saturday showed that we will need to freshen it up as we go, but it should only be the odd player here and there.

[Hibbyradge]

Goodness knows how we got on when we had basic teams, playing in Europe almost every season, Hibs players representing Scotland in all levels [adding to the games], playing on mud bath's against opponents who would cut the more skilled players in half. So pleased we never had sports scientists back then :greengrin

There's a lot more expected from elite footballers now compared to the times you mention.

Players like Ally McLeod, as skillful as he was, wouldn't be given a contract at Hibs today because his workrate was so low.

Players use a lot more energy now and rest is much more important than it was back then. If you watch some of the old videos, players were virtually stationary compared to the movement we currently see and expect.

Players like Jimmy Johnston couldn't exist these days, even though the tackling is much less aggressive, because the defenders are much fitter and more athletic. The standard of play today is much higher despite our misty eyed memories.

[Hibbyradge]

One game at a time. See how Sunday goes. What is for sure is that the time of the game ihas only been scheduled for one team as a Sunday night with a midweek game after isn't ideal especially the possibility of extra time.

The huns are playing on Thursday coming. Our tie had to be on Sunday and it'll have been Sky who pushed for 5.00pm because they've got Liverpool v Man City at 3.45.

[Centre Hawf]

Not against seeing Cadden come back for that Wednesday game, or any game as soon as he's ready really, but I wouldn't like to see too much in the way of changes from our strongest XI.

[Donegal Hibby]

I'd play our strongest side on Sunday, make lots changes for Ross County on the Wednesday and Back to full strength for Livingston.

XI for Ross County would be something like:

Marshall

Cadden
Hanlon
Fish
Stevenson

Triantis
NMW

Jair
Levitt
Youan

Alf

I'm worried he keeps an unchanged side for Wednesday, they put in a tired performance and lose 1-0 to a 'right up for it' Ross County and then the same side drops points to Livi.

Aberdeen are gone, we've got a nice little gap over Motherwell and Dundee have got a tough run-in. I think the changed side would have more chance of winning in Dingwall, but a draw wouldn't be a disaster. We'd have all the big boys on the bench, could make a big impact in the last 20-25 mins.

Probably not a popular opinion though I think your team has possibly to many changes in it and having both Jair and Levitt in it would worry me going to Dingwall which could very well turn into a bit of a battle and I'm not sure either player is suited to that type of game .

I'm hoping after just over a week off the players like MW and a few others have recovered from knocks they've been playing with and will be able to cope with both the Sevco and Ross county games before knocks, fatigue maybe force our hand to make a few changes for the home game against livvy which imo is probably the easier of the 3 games on paper.

[eastterrace]

Game was played at half the speed.
Really , I don’t remember the tornadoes playing at half speed.

[worcesterhibby]

There's a lot more expected from elite footballers now compared to the times you mention.

Players like Ally McLeod, as skillful as he was, wouldn't be given a contract at Hibs today because his workrate was so low.

Players use a lot more energy now and rest is much more important than it was back then. If you watch some of the old videos, players were virtually stationary compared to the movement we currently see and expect.

Players like Jimmy Johnston couldn't exist these days, even though the tackling is much less aggressive, because the defenders are much fitter and more athletic. The standard of play today is much higher despite our misty eyed memories.

I think you meant "The standard of fitness and athleticism is much higher today despite our misty eyed memories"

Certainly in the first half of this season, Hibs level of skill on the ball, passing, crossing and ability to convert chances into goals was a level well below the likes of Stanton, Cropley, Bremner, Browline, Blackley, O'Rourke, Gordon et al.

I totally accept that the game was played at a slower pace with less constant closing down (no wonder on the pitches they had to contend with in the winter) and the players were by and large a good deal less physically fit than current professionals due to lack of training facilities, poor diet, fags and booze ! But the skill level of players in the past for Hibernian has often been higher than the majority of the squad we started with this season. Boyle would have been fine in the Tornadoes Team, maybe Joe Newell... but fitness levels aside I doubt Eddie T would have picked any of the rest.

[BILLYHIBS]

Game was played at half the speed.

:faf:

Welcome back MWH

I’ve missed you

Try telling that to the great Leeds United and Liverpool teams and the great Celtic side that reached two European Cup Finals who all struggled against our pedestrian pace not forgetting Arthur Nijinsky Duncan who was no slow coach

I hear what you are saying but it was the highest level at that time

Anyway just play our strongest team for all three games it’s squeaky bum time and see where it takes us with injuries etc

Please no Jair and would not trust Cadden just yet Nectar on the bench

[King Cosell]

Probably not a popular opinion though I think your team has possibly to many changes in it and having both Jair and Levitt in it would worry me going to Dingwall which could very well turn into a bit of a battle and I'm not sure either player is suited to that type of game .

I'm hoping after just over a week off the players like MW and a few others have recovered from knocks they've been playing with and will be able to cope with both the Sevco and Ross county games before knocks, fatigue maybe force our hand to make a few changes for the home game against livvy which imo is probably the easier of the 3 games on paper.

It's just a rough idea of what the team might look like, I wouldn't be starting Maolida, Emiliano, Boyle & Newell in all 3 games, Cadden might not be ready to start but I'd defo be bringing Hanlon & Stevenson in. Ross County will have 11 days to prepare, Livi will have 6, that's a massive advantage.

[Hibbyradge]

I think you meant "The standard of fitness and athleticism is much higher today despite our misty eyed memories"

Certainly in the first half of this season, Hibs level of skill on the ball, passing, crossing and ability to convert chances into goals was a level well below the likes of Stanton, Cropley, Bremner, Browline, Blackley, O'Rourke, Gordon et al.

I totally accept that the game was played at a slower pace with less constant closing down (no wonder on the pitches they had to contend with in the winter) and the players were by and large a good deal less physically fit than current professionals due to lack of training facilities, poor diet, fags and booze ! But the skill level of players in the past for Hibernian has often been higher than the majority of the squad we started with this season. Boyle would have been fine in the Tornadoes Team, maybe Joe Newell... but fitness levels aside I doubt Eddie T would have picked any of the rest.

Yes, I agree with all of that. My wording was poor. Players' fitness and athleticism is much higher, as is their workrate and speed.

Because of what players put their bodies through, rest plays a much more important role in football than it used to.

It's quite common for good teams to struggle against mediocre opposition at the weekend if they've had a tough game in Europe during the week.

I don't bet very often but I had a good win when I bet that Villa, Newcastle and Liverpool would all draw at the weekend having played in Europe midweek. It would have been an even better win had Man City held out for another 4 minutes against Arsenal.

Anyway, if the top coaches and managers say that 3 games a week is tough, then who are we to dispute it. :wink:

[Donegal Hibby]

It's just a rough idea of what the team might look like, I wouldn't be starting Maolida, Emiliano, Boyle & Newell in all 3 games, Cadden might not be ready to start but I'd defo be bringing Hanlon & Stevenson in. Ross County will have 11 days to prepare, Livi will have 6, that's a massive advantage.

3 games in 6 days is a big ask though I think barring injuries we will probably have to go with our strongest team possible maybe one or two changes though I don't think we will see Monty make many . Ross county away is never a easy game .

Like the 3 games in 7 days we just had I expect us to manage the first two before fatigue , knocks etc kick in for the Livvy game were I'd expect us to make the changes then which is another huge game considering I think killie play St mirren that week too .

Get what your saying about rotating the team though to many changes could come back and bite us too . Must admit Levitt and Jair in the team together for the Ross county game when it could become a night to roll up the sleeves and get stuck in doesn't fil me with alot of confidence tbh . Triantis not a bad shout though imo .

[easty]

I'd play a full strength team every time it's available. If a player is carrying an injury through the week after the Rangers game, then they don't play at Ross County.

I get that it's 2 games in 3 days, but its also 2 games in 11 days. They should be fine.

Same goes for the Livi match, only rest anyone who's carrying a knock. We're nowhere near good enough to rest players.

[easty]

It's just a rough idea of what the team might look like, I wouldn't be starting Maolida, Emiliano, Boyle & Newell in all 3 games, Cadden might not be ready to start but I'd defo be bringing Hanlon & Stevenson in. Ross County will have 11 days to prepare, Livi will have 6, that's a massive advantage.

Bit in bold - I 100% would be starting them all.

[Hibbyradge]

I'd play a full strength team every time it's available. If a player is carrying an injury through the week after the Rangers game, then they don't play at Ross County.

I get that it's 2 games in 3 days, but its also 2 games in 11 days. They should be fine.

Same goes for the Livi match, only rest anyone who's carrying a knock. We're nowhere near good enough to rest players.

It's 3 games in 7 days.

[CropleyWasGod]

It's 3 games in 7 days.

Ooft.... you beat me to it.

I'll let you deal with the flak :greengrin

[MWHIBBIES]

:faf:

Welcome back MWH

I’ve missed you

Try telling that to the great Leeds United and Liverpool teams and the great Celtic side that reached two European Cup Finals who all struggled against our pedestrian pace not forgetting Arthur Nijinsky Duncan who was no slow coach

I hear what you are saying but it was the highest level at that time

Anyway just play our strongest team for all three games it’s squeaky bum time and see where it takes us with injuries etc

Please no Jair and would not trust Cadden just yet Nectar on the bench

Watch 90 minutes from then and 90 minutes from now. Different game. Physical demands are miles higher.

[JimBHibees]

The huns are playing on Thursday coming. Our tie had to be on Sunday and it'll have been Sky who pushed for 5.00pm because they've got Liverpool v Man City at 3.45.

On viaplay not Sky. Appreciate it had to be on the Sunday

[King Cosell]

It's 3 games in 7 days.

It's 3 games in 5 days, 21 hours and 30 mins.

[easty]

It's 3 games in 7 days.

I meant it's 2 games in 11 days from when we played last up to the Ross County game.

They've had a rest.

I'm not going to say that 3 games in a week isn't tiring, but they should be fit enough to do it. If they're not injured, play them.

[Billy Whizz]

Let’s just win on Sunday and take it a game at a time

[BILLYHIBS]

Watch 90 minutes from then and 90 minutes from now. Different game. Physical demands are miles higher.

I actually despair watching some of our present day players trying to control a ball and pass to a green jersey totally alien to that team of the early seventies a total joy to watch like watching a game of football chess and yes played at speed and fast attacking entertaining football not like the tippy tappy sideyways backwards anti football fare of today

I feel sorry for you youngsters nowadays

Anyway gotta go time for my bed bath ��

[Hibbyradge]

It's 3 games in 5 days, 21 hours and 30 mins.

Yes, you're right.

3 games in less than 6 days.

[Sparrows tongue]

Strongest possible 11 for me versus Sevco

They are professional athletes FFS.

I would like to think that I wouldn’t be knackered after doing 270 minutes of my job in six days..:agree:

[MWHIBBIES]

I actually despair watching some of our present day players trying to control a ball and pass to a green jersey totally alien to that team of the early seventies a total joy to watch like watching a game of football chess and yes played at speed and fast attacking entertaining football not like the tippy tappy sideyways backwards anti football fare of today

I feel sorry for you youngsters nowadays

Anyway gotta go time for my bed bath ��

Don't, I've seen Hibs win the Scottish cup. Our best achievement since the 50s.

[worcesterhibby]

Yes, I agree with all of that. My wording was poor. Players' fitness and athleticism is much higher, as is their workrate and speed.



:aok:

[Itsnoteasy]

Game was played at half the speed.

Squads were smaller,pitches weren't up to today's standard, balls were heavier, especially in the auld days, boots were heavier, strips never had today's technology. You could only have 2 subs.tackling was more aggressive, magic sponge was your physio. Travelling abroad & to away games would have taken longer, coaches & planes not as comfy

[gbhibby]

Goodness knows how we got on when we had basic teams, playing in Europe almost every season, Hibs players representing Scotland in all levels [adding to the games], playing on mud bath's against opponents who would cut the more skilled players in half. So pleased we never had sports scientists back then :greengrin
Imagine if they had to do a day's work then play a match after work nowadays. Didn't do stats in the old days but Brownlie and Shades ground coverage would match any of today's players

[Broken Gnome]

Hibs could quite easily lose a game to many teams in Scotland if they played an XI that was ever so slightly physically fatigued. I've lost count of the times a slow lethargic Hibs have looked well second best to any manner of opposition, just because they're a split second away from winning second balls when they need it.

It's not quite so simplistic to say strongest 11 every week and they just need to suck it up because it's not a normal job...

[Dashing Bob S]

We'll smash them all

[Sparrows tongue]

Goodness knows how we got on when we had basic teams, playing in Europe almost every season, Hibs players representing Scotland in all levels [adding to the games], playing on mud bath's against opponents who would cut the more skilled players in half. So pleased we never had sports scientists back then :greengrin

Yes, sir. :thumbsup:

Footballers are a bunch of Jessies nowadays.

[MWHIBBIES]

Yes, sir. :thumbsup:

Footballers are a bunch of Jessies nowadays.

Are they? Broken legs used to end careers. Those were the Jessie's.

Martin Boyle has come back from 2 ACLs. These hard men weren't doing that.

[Sparrows tongue]

Are they? Broken legs used to end careers. Those were the Jessie's.

Martin Boyle has come back from 2 ACLs. These hard men weren't doing that.

Aye, but did Martin do a 26 hour shift down the mines, plough a field, feed a family of four and milk a few cows before playing 90 minutes on a quagmire?

And then, sign on for housing benefits before downing a half pint of Export and a double Bells.

Jessie. :na na:

[BILLYHIBS]

Are they? Broken legs used to end careers. Those were the Jessie's.

Martin Boyle has come back from 2 ACLs. These hard men weren't doing that.

John Brownlie came back after a double leg break tib and fib

Alan Gordon could hardly walk after a career of cortisone injections

Alan McGraw got carried off at Tiny in the Cup semi came back on with a stookie on collided with the post scoring the winner

Players nowadays go down for the slightest thing clutching their heads to stop play screaming like banshees

Back in our day you only went down if you were really injured and then told to run it off

Tell kids that nowadays and they don’t believe you

[Sparrows tongue]

John Brownlie came back after a double leg break tib and fib

Alan Gordon could hardly walk after a career of cortisone injections

Alan McGraw got carried off at Tiny in the Cup semi came back on with a stookie on collided with the post scoring the winner

Players nowadays go down for the slightest thing clutching their heads to stop play screaming like banshees

Back in our day you only went down if you were really injured and then told to run it off

Tell kids that nowadays and they don’t believe you

That 'magic sponge' worked wonders, Billy. :cb

[MWHIBBIES]

John Brownlie came back after a double leg break tib and fib

Alan Gordon could hardly walk after a career of cortisone injections

Alan McGraw got carried off at Tiny in the Cup semi came back on with a stookie on collided with the post scoring the winner

Players nowadays go down for the slightest thing clutching their heads to stop play screaming like banshees

Back in our day you only went down if you were really injured and then told to run it off

Tell kids that nowadays and they don’t believe you

Nowadays players get proper medical care, hence why they are playing to a much higher level for longer. Games improved on and off the park.

Telling injured players to "run it off" is horrific advice.

[gbhibby]

Aye, but did Martin do a 26 hour shift down the mines, plough a field, feed a family of four and milk a few cows before playing 90 minutes on a quagmire?

And then, sign on for housing benefits before downing a half pint of Export and a double Bells.

Jessie. :na na:
My dad played junior and he had to play 5 games in 8 days. All the guys in the team worked Monday to Friday and on Saturday morning. Their attitude was it was better to be playing rather than training.
When a team is winning,games can't come around quickly enough.

[cubehindthegoal]

We saw how leggy some players were v county after the Hearts game so don’t think he woukd risk playing sn unchanged team
Cadden probably can’t last the full 90 mins yet
But agree how we rotate squad will be key as I think we really need to be winning the two league games or minimum taking four points But teams round about all play Aberdeen so I would rather go for six points

Agree go for all 6 points … but we don’t have to play all of our best players for 90 mins each game … all going well of course .. it’s how we manage that .. be interesting to see how Monty decides that, and how it works out … though of course we can’t rule out what other teams do to counteract us … just ask the rangers and celtic about that recently …. it’s time for our players to up our game now. I think we are seeing signs of it ..

[Sparrows tongue]

My dad played junior and he had to play 5 games in 8 days. All the guys in the team worked Monday to Friday and on Saturday morning. Their attitude was it was better to be playing rather than training.
When a team is winning,games can't come around quickly enough.

Your dad and his team mates were spot on. :aok:

[cubehindthegoal]

Squads were smaller,pitches weren't up to today's standard, balls were heavier, especially in the auld days, boots were heavier, strips never had today's technology. You could only have 2 subs.tackling was more aggressive, magic sponge was your physio. Travelling abroad & to away games would have taken longer, coaches & planes not as comfy

Retiring the magic sponge was a major flaw in modern medical decisions regarding physio genius of lore ..

[cubehindthegoal]

Aye, but did Martin do a 26 hour shift down the mines, plough a field, feed a family of four and milk a few cows before playing 90 minutes on a quagmire?

And then, sign on for housing benefits before downing a half pint of Export and a double Bells.

Jessie. :na na:

You stalking me ? You’ve just described my Tuesday afternoon.

[Sparrows tongue]

You staking me ? You’ve just described my Tuesday afternoon.

Yes, I saw you.

You looked a wee bit tired.

:na na:

[cubehindthegoal]

Yes, I saw you.

You looked a wee bit tired.

:na na:

Ha ! Sheesh … all in a days work.

[nonshinyfinish]

Can they not just take the cortisone injections and get on with it?

[Keith_M]

Game was played at half the speed.


Seriously?


Watch Saturday's highlights again... then watch this game from 1988..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqFqi-RAzWU

[BILLYHIBS]

Seriously?


Watch Saturday's highlights again... then watch this game from 1988..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqFqi-RAzWU

That strip was a thing of beauty

[Bakerman]

Seriously?


Watch Saturday's highlights again... then watch this game from 1988..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqFqi-RAzWU

:aok:

Thanks for the memories. Was at that game. Different days back then. The late seventies and early eighties were pretty awful to be fair, but by the late eighties, we were a very good team under Alex Miller.

[Keith_M]

:aok:

Thanks for the memories. Was at that game. Different days back then. The late seventies and early eighties were pretty awful to be fair, but by the late eighties, we were a very good team under Alex Miller.


Me anaw, it was a really good game.

[Smartie]

How much would they normally exert themselves during a full week of training? A fair bit, I’d expect.

Their training schedule will be amended to take a tough game schedule into consideration, possibly with little to no focus on training and every bit of focus being on rest and recuperation.

Players the world round have to accept occasionally challenging schedules as part of their workload. They’ll probably be thrilled to be playing and not training.

If anyone is carrying a knock, showing fatigue or looking like they might not manage the run then they can be rotated out. In advance though, I don’t think I’d be planning widespread changes to the team, rather see how folk get on and tweak accordingly.

[Bakerman]

Me anaw, it was a really good game.

:aok:

A really good game, with some very very fondly remembered Hibernian players involved.

[gbhibby]

How much would they normally exert themselves during a full week of training? A fair bit, I’d expect.

Their training schedule will be amended to take a tough game schedule into consideration, possibly with little to no focus on training and every bit of focus being on rest and recuperation.

Players the world round have to accept occasionally challenging schedules as part of their workload. They’ll probably be thrilled to be playing and not training.

If anyone is carrying a knock, showing fatigue or looking like they might not manage the run then they can be rotated out. In advance though, I don’t think I’d be planning widespread changes to the team, rather see how folk get on and tweak accordingly.
Did Dundee utd not play about 55 games the season they won the league in the 80s using only 14 players that season. Youngsters in the 70s would play for the school in the morning and their club side in the afternoon or the following day. All clubs have access to the same sports science books so players should be conditioned to play 3 games in a week. Get annoyed when you hear players are tired.

[wookie70]

Strongest side to start for all three and use subs to give players that are struggling a break.

[King Cosell]

Did Dundee utd not play about 55 games the season they won the league in the 80s using only 14 players that season. Youngsters in the 70s would play for the school in the morning and their club side in the afternoon or the following day. All clubs have access to the same sports science books so players should be conditioned to play 3 games in a week. Get annoyed when you hear players are tired.

That Dundee Utd and the Liverpool 1982/83 side would be relegated in 2023/24.

[Itsnoteasy]

Are they? Broken legs used to end careers. Those were the Jessie's.

Martin Boyle has come back from 2 ACLs. These hard men weren't doing that.

Try again.

Hasn't medicine & operations ie keyhole surgery improved. You would hope they would have a better chance of recovery in this day & age.

[JimBHibees]

Try again.

Hasn't medicine & operations ie keyhole surgery improved. You would hope they would have a better chance of recovery in this day & age.

Yes I think if you had an acl in the past you were basically goosed.

[Gettin' Auld]

That Dundee Utd and the Liverpool 1982/83 side would be relegated in 2023/24.

I'm not surprised, those players would all be in their 60's and 70's

[JimBHibees]

I'm not surprised, those players would all be in their 60's and 70's

If alive at all :greengrin

[erin go bragh]

Professional football players can play three games in six days. Winning breeds confidence and we will/should play our strongest 11 in the three games.

[lyonhibs]

John Brownlie came back after a double leg break tib and fib

Alan Gordon could hardly walk after a career of cortisone injections

Alan McGraw got carried off at Tiny in the Cup semi came back on with a stookie on collided with the post scoring the winner

Players nowadays go down for the slightest thing clutching their heads to stop play screaming like banshees

Back in our day you only went down if you were really injured and then told to run it off

Tell kids that nowadays and they don’t believe you

"Run it off" 😅😅😅😅

Thank God you're nowhere near our physio department 😅😅

[MWHIBBIES]

Try again.

Hasn't medicine & operations ie keyhole surgery improved. You would hope they would have a better chance of recovery in this day & age.

Couldn't these ****ing hard grafters just shrug it off, though?

[Kato]

Are they? Broken legs used to end careers. Those were the Jessie's.

Martin Boyle has come back from 2 ACLs. These hard men weren't doing that.The operation for acl wasn't developed until late 20th century.

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[SickBoy32]

Seriously?


Watch Saturday's highlights again... then watch this game from 1988..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqFqi-RAzWU

Thanks for sharing, enjoyed that. A bit before my time but what a difference that looked compared to the ultra sanitised spectacle we see these days.

Find it difficult to comprehend anyone saying the game has improved for the better in all honesty, it seems to get worse every year IMO. Robot coaches and robot players, in the main - played in front of increasingly sedate crowds (robotic ultras aside)

[MWHIBBIES]

Thanks for sharing, enjoyed that. A bit before my time but what a difference that looked compared to the ultra sanitised spectacle we see these days.

Find it difficult to comprehend anyone saying the game has improved for the better in all honesty, it seems to get worse every year IMO. Robot coaches and robot players, in the main - played in front of increasingly sedate crowds (robotic ultras aside)

It may not be more purely entertaining (although the world cup final for example was miles better than any of the 70 or 80s ones) but it's clearly evolved tactically and athletically.

[blackpoolhibs]

I don't remember the tornadoes playing as slowly as we do most of the time at Hibs.

[Hiber-nation]

Alan McGraw got carried off at Tiny in the Cup semi came back on with a stookie on collided with the post scoring the winner



The cortisone injections Allan McGraw got finished his career and he ended up having to walk with the aid of sticks.

[Donegal Hibby]

Is there any news on our injured players Amos and JDH or hows Jair after he took a bad tackle ? , had read Campbell was back doing some light training now . It would be good to get one or two or even them all back to give us extra options to choose from .

[gbhibby]

That Dundee Utd and the Liverpool 1982/83 side would be relegated in 2023/24.
🤔🤔🤔

[CropleyWasGod]

It may not be more purely entertaining (although the world cup final for example was miles better than any of the 70 or 80s ones) but it's clearly evolved tactically and athletically.

I suppose it depends what you go to watch. Football, at the end of the day, is an entertainment, but we all have different definitions of what that means.

Some fans enjoy the technical side of the game, however that's defined. In that respect, the game has improved.

Others go for the emotional side, and the "getintaethum" aspect. The sanitisation of the "customer experience" has drained a lot of that away.

[snedzuk]

Aye, but did Martin do a 26 hour shift down the mines, plough a field, feed a family of four and milk a few cows before playing 90 minutes on a quagmire?

And then, sign on for housing benefits before downing a half pint of Export and a double Bells.

Jessie. :na na:

You missed out the fish supper.

[ruthven_raiders]

That Dundee Utd and the Liverpool 1982/83 side would be relegated in 2023/24.

Different eras, training etc...those players with modern facilities and sports science would be at the top of the tree....

[BILLYHIBS]

"Run it off" 😅😅😅😅

Thank God you're nowhere near our physio department 😅😅

Our Physio was a trained Chiropodist mind 😀

[Hibbyradge]

Despite it being blatantly obvious that our players were leggy and physically tired after the Derby game, people are denying that games in rapid succession affect their performance.

The argument "I used to play 8 games a week and more if there was a full moon" seems to be holding sway.

The fact that they were pish in those 8 games is conveniently ignored.

It's like flat earthers and space deniers who ignore all the evidence because they want to believe the opposite.

[BILLYHIBS]

I don't remember the tornadoes playing as slowly as we do most of the time at Hibs.

Looking back through my green tinted specs was perfection poetry in motion

Everything played forward a green machine if a move broke down we simply started again

Brownlie Shades Stanton Cropley and Duncan were all quick even Gordon was faster on the deck than he looked sometimes coming out wide to receive the ball

Wonderful stuff

[Gettin' Auld]

If alive at all :greengrin
Thoise ones go on the subs bench. :wink:

[MWHIBBIES]

Looking back through my green tinted specs was perfection poetry in motion

Everything played forward a green machine if a move broke down we simply started again

Brownlie Shades Stanton Cropley and Duncan were all quick even Gordon was faster on the deck than he looked sometimes coming out wide to receive the ball

Wonderful stuff

It's not that they weren't quick, but the pace of football in general was slower.

Seen some highlights of Euro 92 the other day. Denmark just chilling passing it back to the goalie when ahead. Him picking it up. Repeat. Let's not pretend this didn't happen regularly. Players are running faster, further and for longer these days.

[BILLYHIBS]

It's not that they weren't quick, but the pace of football in general was slower.

Seen some highlights of Euro 92 the other day. Denmark just chilling passing it back to the goalie when ahead. Him picking it up. Repeat. Let's not pretend this didn't happen regularly. Players are running faster, further and for longer these days.

Team A midfield

Newell Campbell Jeggo JDH

Team B midfield

Edwards Stanton Bremner Cropley

Aye your team can run about right enough but give me that and sheer football ability and class any day of the week

[lyonhibs]

It's not that they weren't quick, but the pace of football in general was slower.

Seen some highlights of Euro 92 the other day. Denmark just chilling passing it back to the goalie when ahead. Him picking it up. Repeat. Let's not pretend this didn't happen regularly. Players are running faster, further and for longer these days.

Denmark in Euro 92 are the reason the pass back rule was introduced

[JimBHibees]

Denmark in Euro 92 are the reason the pass back rule was introduced

That and Dundee United under McLean with Maurice Backpass playing. :greengrin

Pass back rule change definitely improved the game

[MWHIBBIES]

Team A midfield

Newell Campbell Jeggo JDH

Team B midfield

Edwards Stanton Bremner Cropley

Aye your team can run about right enough but give me that and sheer football ability and class any day of the week

Of course

Midfield A

Fyvie, Mcginn, Mcgeouch

Midfield B

Edwards, Stanton, Bremner, Cropley

You're team has sheer ability and class right enough, but mine turned up in Scottish cup finals :greengrin

[Kato]

That and Dundee United under McLean with Maurice Backpass playing. :greengrin

Pass back rule change definitely improved the gameAgreed and led to it speeding up, which led to more player fatigue which led to more subs being allowed.

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[BILLYHIBS]

Of course

Midfield A

Fyvie, Mcginn, Mcgeouch

Midfield B

Edwards, Stanton, Bremner, Cropley

You're team has sheer ability and class right enough, but mine turned up in Scottish cup finals :greengrin

Still think mine is the stronger midfield a European Cup winner in there was never a big fan of McGeouch but that’s just me impossible to compare players from different eras add Scott Allan to your midfield now you’re talking Fyvie shudda just buttoned it and signed on the dotted line

[Kato]

but mine turned up in Scottish cup finals :greengrin

Ffs

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[Smartie]

Despite it being blatantly obvious that our players were leggy and physically tired after the Derby game, people are denying that games in rapid succession affect their performance.

The argument "I used to play 8 games a week and more if there was a full moon" seems to be holding sway.

The fact that they were pish in those 8 games is conveniently ignored.

It's like flat earthers and space deniers who ignore all the evidence because they want to believe the opposite.

We played 3 games in a week including a derby.

Some players looked leggy, some didn’t and coped admirably.

There’s a decent rest going into the Rangers game which should allow us to go into this run in top condition.

We can use clever subs to manage fitness as well as a small amount of rotation if need be but I don’t think we should just assume that everybody will be knackered and that the need for disruptive widespread changes is inevitable.

[Hibbyradge]

We played 3 games in a week including a derby.

Some players looked leggy, some didn’t and coped admirably.

There’s a decent rest going into the Rangers game which should allow us to go into this run in top condition.

We can use clever subs to manage fitness as well as a small amount of rotation if need be but I don’t think we should just assume that everybody will be knackered and that the need for disruptive widespread changes is inevitable.

I agree.

Fatigue is not a certainty.

But it is a possibility, and a regular occurrence, facts that some posters seem unwilling to accept.

[Bridge hibs]

It's not that they weren't quick, but the pace of football in general was slower.

Seen some highlights of Euro 92 the other day. Denmark just chilling passing it back to the goalie when ahead. Him picking it up. Repeat. Let's not pretend this didn't happen regularly. Players are running faster, further and for longer these days.Pitches would play a big part too, I watched recent highlights of an English game from the 70s and the players looked like they were running through glue, even the ****tiest grass pitch nowadays is slicker, also add that players nowadays wear slippers as football boots, would love to see todays athletes playing on ****ty pitches wearing thick leather boots that needed lathered in “dubbin” before booting a solid ball with laces in it 😁

[hfc-1875]

Why change so much, surely professional footballers can play 3 games in a week

[Sparrows tongue]

Why change so much, surely professional footballers can play 3 games in a week

I tried to argue the very same point as yourself, yesterday.

I was shot down in flames by one poster in particular! :rolleyes:

[MWHIBBIES]

Why change so much, surely professional footballers can play 3 games in a week

They can. But 7/8 games a in 3 weeks begins to catch up.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's not that they weren't quick, but the pace of football in general was slower.

Seen some highlights of Euro 92 the other day. Denmark just chilling passing it back to the goalie when ahead. Him picking it up. Repeat. Let's not pretend this didn't happen regularly. Players are running faster, further and for longer these days.

I can’t remember the exact figures, but I read something previously that players now run around 50% further in games than they did in yesteryear. Even referees run about 30% now more than the players used to. When you consider players now are also bigger, stronger and more tactically astute, along with being technically far superior, it shows how much more difficult it must be to play football nowadays.

[Smartie]

I can’t remember the exact figures, but I read something previously that players now run around 50% further in games than they did in yesteryear. Even referees run about 30% now more than the players used to. When you consider players now are also bigger, stronger and more tactically astute, along with being technically far superior, it shows how much more difficult it must be to play football nowadays.

I think it's more difficult in some ways, easier in others.

There's definitely an awful lot of running these days but much of the "contact" is different and the pitches are better.

I was watching some old YouTube clips of Hibs games and winced once or twice at some of the appropriately robust challenges going in on the likes of John Colquhoun - which he just sort of got up from and walked / limped away from without much complaint. On balance I think I'd probably be happy to run more on perfect pitches in a semi-contact sport than spend afternoons running through treacle and getting halved repeatedly.

[gbhibby]

I can’t remember the exact figures, but I read something previously that players now run around 50% further in games than they did in yesteryear. Even referees run about 30% now more than the players used to. When you consider players now are also bigger, stronger and more tactically astute, along with being technically far superior, it shows how much more difficult it must be to play football nowadays.
Don't think it's as high as 50% but probably 2 or 3 kilometres more. Bear in mind pitches were not as good in the past. There will always be players that are fitter than others due to body shape muscle mass etc. Playing 3 games in 6 or 7 days should be the norm. Players like Shades would be as fit as any players today.

[BILLYHIBS]

Don't think it's as high as 50% but probably 2 or 3 kilometres more. Bear in mind pitches were not as good in the past. There will always be players that are fitter than others due to body shape muscle mass etc. Playing 3 games in 6 or 7 days should be the norm. Players like Shades would be as fit as any players today.

Yip guy was a keep fit fanatic

Arthur as well greased lightning

[Bakerman]

Yip guy was a keep fit fanatic

Arthur as well greased lightning

A muscled left back sylvester stallone. Left one on Bryan Robson if I remember rightly. Hard as nails.

[wookie70]

That Dundee Utd and the Liverpool 1982/83 side would be relegated in 2023/24.

No way of knowing that as it is an apples to oranges comparison and I would completely disagree with you. If the modern players played for 10 minutes under the rules as they were interpreted then they would all be out injured for months. May well injure themselves kicking the ball given how fragile they are. If the old school players were playing now most wouldn't smoke and drink. The teams you mentioned there I could probably name and view as legends at their clubs more than current day players at the top of those leagues. Very few really special players these days imo. Even if there are special teams it is usually about money so has little value in terms of emotion. Different eras and I definitely know which one I preferred. To me football was more an art back then and it is more a science now. Like many sports the personality is gone, the entertainment factor is diminished greatly and the value for money non existent. I love Hibs as much now as I ever have but I'm not really fond of the professional game.

Regardless of the trip down memory lane, on our budget we should be easily able to navigate the middle game against Ross County.

[MWHIBBIES]

No way of knowing that as it is an apples to oranges comparison and I would completely disagree with you. If the modern players played for 10 minutes under the rules as they were interpreted then they would all be out injured for months. May well injure themselves kicking the ball given how fragile they are. If the old school players were playing now most wouldn't smoke and drink. The teams you mentioned there I could probably name and view as legends at their clubs more than current day players at the top of those leagues. Very few really special players these days imo. Even if there are special teams it is usually about money so has little value in terms of emotion. Different eras and I definitely know which one I preferred. To me football was more an art back then and it is more a science now. Like many sports the personality is gone, the entertainment factor is diminished greatly and the value for money non existent. I love Hibs as much now as I ever have but I'm not really fond of the professional game.

Regardless of the trip down memory lane, on our budget we should be easily able to navigate the middle game against Ross County.

Players now are no weaker or more fragile. They're fitter, stronger and playing more games than ever.

[Hibbyradge]

Pep resting 7 players after the derby and before the Liverpool game on Sunday.

I imagine he'll replace Haaland very early too.

He obviously doesn't read Hibs.net! Top manager my arse.:wink:

[wookie70]

Players now are no weaker or more fragile. They're fitter, stronger and playing more games than ever.
There are far more injuries now and the contact is minimal compared to what it used to be. I'm not disputing the are fitter and most faster. The species is bigger and has better nutrition so they are also bigger. One thing we probably can agree on is that fitness is more important now. Plenty teams played three games a week back in the day and they never struggled with routine league games on a Saturday. Ability trumped running back then and there is a bit of me that also thinks there was more desire, pride and willingness to do anything to win at least at the very top clubs

[IberianHibernian]

I remember watching us draw 2 v 2 at the Holy Ground against Cowdenbeath on 2nd January 1971 . 24 hours earlier we had dropped a point in a draw at Tynecastle . A few years later I remember watching us win a home Scottish Cup tie on a Sunday after playing a league match against Celtic 24 hours before . In both cases only 1 sub was allowed . Obviously modern football ( and professional sport in general ) demands more physical fitness than before but I can`t help feeling things like multiple substitutions and rotating squads are sometimes more to do with keeping massive numbers in squads happy rather than down only to tiredness .