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Berwickhibby
29-02-2024, 10:56 AM
Does this guy still look at dodgy incidents, such as Vargas simulation or since VAR has arrived he has become redundant

Gus
29-02-2024, 11:49 AM
Does this guy still look at dodgy incidents, such as Vargas simulation or since VAR has arrived he has become redundant

Vargas has been touched so not sure what the compliance officer can do. His reaction was so far over the top but this is all on the Ref for me and the ref only.

The ref has given a penalty for the incident so surely no retrospective action could be taken against the player.

ShetlandHibby
29-02-2024, 03:27 PM
Don’t think a compliance officer can do anything. Fact is fish made contact with Vargas. Whether there was enough contact for him to perform a triple flip is up for debate.

ancient hibee
29-02-2024, 06:49 PM
Is there a compliance officer. The last one I remember was a female.

joe breezy
29-02-2024, 06:51 PM
I assumed zero contact the way everyone was complaining

We got beat by not scoring enough goals

The penalty was dubious but you need to score pre than one goal to win most football matches

Keith_M
29-02-2024, 06:52 PM
Don’t think a compliance officer can do anything. Fact is fish made contact with Vargas. Whether there was enough contact for him to perform a triple flip is up for debate.


Sorry, but how does that justify him throwing himself to the ground?

:confused:

Cheating is cheating, and has to be punished.

LaMotta
29-02-2024, 06:55 PM
I assumed zero contact the way everyone was complaining

We got beat by not scoring enough goals

The penalty was dubious but you need to score pre than one goal to win most football matches

We scored exactly the amount of goals required to win a football game against a team who could barely muster a shot on target, unfortunately they were given the most scandalous penalty in Edinburgh derby history.

joe breezy
29-02-2024, 06:57 PM
[QUOTE=joe breezy;7601155]I assumed zero contact the way everyone was complaining

We got beat by not scoring enough goals

The penalty was dubious but you need to score pre than one goal to win most football matches[/QUOTE

We scored exactly the amount of goals required to win a football game against a team who could barely muster a shot on target, unfortunately they were given the most scandalous penalty in Edinburgh derby history.

It was a shocker but if you make contact in the penalty box without winning the ball it leaves you open to soft penalties unfortunately- I’ve seen other soft penalties given with hardly any contact


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LaMotta
29-02-2024, 06:58 PM
Sorry, but how does that justify him throwing himself to the ground?

:confused:

Cheating is cheating, and has to be punished.

Its not even a fact that Fish made contact with Vargas. The contact happened because they came together which happens all the time in football. I genuinely cant believe there are Hibs fans making out this was anything other than a dive.

LaMotta
29-02-2024, 07:00 PM
It was a shocker but if you make contact in the penalty box without winning the ball it leaves you open to soft penalties unfortunately- I’ve seen other soft penalties given with hardly any contact


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It was a shocking refereeing mistake, nothing less. Even Boddy Madden has explained why on his Instagram page.

andrew70
29-02-2024, 07:01 PM
[QUOTE=LaMotta;7601166]

It was a shocker but if you make contact in the penalty box without winning the ball it leaves you open to soft penalties unfortunately- I’ve seen other soft penalties given with hardly any contact


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It’s the lack of consistency for me. If that’s a pen last night then so should Boyle’s be against Celtic.

LaMotta
29-02-2024, 07:02 PM
It’s the lack of consistency for me. If that’s a pen last night then so should Boyle’s be against Celtic.

I would go further than that mate - Boyle's should have been a penalty and last night's should never have been a penalty as Boyle was actually fouled. That is the extent of the luck/decisions we are getting against us.

andrew70
29-02-2024, 07:04 PM
I would go further than that mate - Boyle's should have been a penalty and last night's should never have been a penalty as Boyle was actually fouled. That is the extent of the luck/decisions we are getting against us.

Fair comment. We are getting nothing but that’s been the case for us in my 31 years as a ST holder.

The SFA don’t like us and we’ve been cheated many a time.

joe breezy
29-02-2024, 07:07 PM
I feel it in my water that we will be winning games by at least two goals soon enough - although I’m sure we will still get things f*%d up by awful referees

That decision isn’t gonna rescinded now though

ShetlandHibby
29-02-2024, 07:22 PM
I don’t for one minute think that it was a penalty however to deny that Vargas put his foot on the ground and then fish made contact with his foot is blind madness. There was undeniably contact and that contact was caused by fish. It was minimal contact and Vargas dived. It was a poor decision but far from the worst decision in the history of sport. The knee jerk over reaction by some one here is very over the top.

Mcbizz1998
29-02-2024, 07:24 PM
I assumed zero contact the way everyone was complaining

We got beat by not scoring enough goals

The penalty was dubious but you need to score pre than one goal to win most football matches

What a slaver. Try sticking up for the club you allegedly support.

Bakerman
29-02-2024, 07:25 PM
I don’t for one minute think that it was a penalty however to deny that Vargas put his foot on the ground and then fish made contact with his foot is blind madness. There was undeniably contact and that contact was caused by fish. It was minimal contact and Vargas dived. It was a poor decision but far from the worst decision in the history of sport. The knee jerk over reaction by some one here is very over the top.

Minimal contact and Vargas dived

Think you explained very well with that comment just why so many folk are furious at Clancy, and his band of not so merry men towards us.

Ray Donovan
29-02-2024, 07:36 PM
Trying to quote Joe Breezys post but not working...

Anyway my view of it is none of them have control of the ball. It's not as if Vargas has the ball and Fish makes contact with him.

They mildly collide with each other which Vargas initiates for the sole purpose of diving to win a pen. The ref should understand this

LaMotta
29-02-2024, 07:42 PM
I don’t for one minute think that it was a penalty however to deny that Vargas put his foot on the ground and then fish made contact with his foot is blind madness. There was undeniably contact and that contact was caused by fish. It was minimal contact and Vargas dived. It was a poor decision but far from the worst decision in the history of sport. The knee jerk over reaction by some one here is very over the top.

They made contact with each other - as explained perfectly below by Ray Donovan:


Trying to quote Joe Breezys post but not working...

Anyway my view of it is none of them have control of the ball. It's not as if Vargas has the ball and Fish makes contact with him.

They mildly collide with each other which Vargas initiates for the sole purpose of diving to win a pen. The ref should understand this

CapitalGreen
29-02-2024, 07:43 PM
It was a shocking refereeing mistake, nothing less. Even Boddy Madden has explained why on his Instagram page.

Just had a look at his page. He has highlighted 6 major incidents in 4 midweek fixtures and he feels for 4 of them the officials got the decision wrong, that is horrendous. FWIW, I agree with his opinion on each incident.

Kato
29-02-2024, 07:47 PM
Trying to quote Joe Breezys post but not working...

Anyway my view of it is none of them have control of the ball. It's not as if Vargas has the ball and Fish makes contact with him.

They mildly collide with each other which Vargas initiates for the sole purpose of diving to win a pen. The ref should understand thisYup, he plants his foot before the contact and pushes himself forward with it.

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LaMotta
29-02-2024, 07:51 PM
Just had a look at his page. He has highlighted 6 major incidents in 4 midweek fixtures and he feels for 4 of them the officials got the decision wrong, that is horrendous. FWIW, I agree with his opinion on each incident.

Its unbelievable eh?

It's a good page in general - he posts his views after every round of games. MAdden was a decent ref I feel.

ShetlandHibby
29-02-2024, 08:31 PM
Trying to quote Joe Breezys post but not working...

Anyway my view of it is none of them have control of the ball. It's not as if Vargas has the ball and Fish makes contact with him.

They mildly collide with each other which Vargas initiates for the sole purpose of diving to win a pen. The ref should understand this

Neither had control of the ball but Vargas touched it last, he then planted his foot and fish made contact with his foot with his trailing foot. This is clear from the video from all angles. It can’t be disputed. The force or lack of is debatable and I don’t think many could argue that it would be enough for Vargas to go to ground

RIP
01-03-2024, 05:13 AM
What on earth is this "planted his foot"? Another modern-day euphemism for cheating?

Player. "I'm going to run at defenders, move my foot away from the ball towards a position to initiate contact with his foot and body, and then twist and fall like I've been shot".

It's a DIVE. He's a CHEAT. CALL IT OUT!

I wouldn't be surprised if they practised their cheating in training.

McGruber
01-03-2024, 06:50 AM
Don’t think a compliance officer can do anything. Fact is fish made contact with Vargas. Whether there was enough contact for him to perform a triple flip is up for debate.

Fish makes contact with Vargas but nobody mentioning Vargas also moves his hip toward Fish and leave his foot dangling to make sure of contact.
Regardless, the contact never constitutes a penalty. It's a contact sport. Absolutely no foul and absolutely a joke decision by a joke of a ref.
No debate either on the Vargas triple flip - those votes are counted. Cheating rat.
Hope when Obita caught him accidentally with an arm he was okay, hope his nose wasn't broken, be a shame

Liam89
01-03-2024, 06:53 AM
If you look again, you’ll see Vargas actually comes into the challenge with his foot dangerously over the ball too.

If anything the way he initiates contact is a foul on fish

Hibernian Verse
01-03-2024, 07:33 AM
The year is 2024 and Hibs fans are agreeing with Bobby Madden, wishing he was back in Scottish Football :greengrin

CentreLine
01-03-2024, 07:43 AM
I think Clancy, wrongly, took both incidents in to account and basically decided between the two there must have been a penalty in there somewhere. Just making it up really so I thought I’d just join in 🤓