The 'Tic and their paranoia

[RIP]

So now that the Cream Buns are top of the Premiership, I've started to notice an undercurrent of theories from the Lesser Greens about 'the establishment' being out to help their rivals.

Everything from the biased meeja, to the government bodies to refereeing decisions. Not content to bring up sectarianism and their hatred for the Orange Order and Protestants, they also take a free hit against all Freemasons. The former I can empathise with, the next is simply ludicrous and the latter is discriminatory and unfounded.

The phrase I hear about Celtic fans is that they are "Always cheated, never defeated". Meaning, if things do not go their way, they seem to blame a fabled "conspiracy", rather than their teams poor performance on the pitch.

Was it John Greig that was famously photographed shaking hands in a "Masonic Way" with Tiny Wharton? Since then some Celtic fans seem to think a freemason-backed establishment conspiracy is out to get them, conveniently ignoring the fact that Jock Stein was also a Freemason. This "Anyone but Celtic" slavering is plain stupidity, however, small minds can easily be led astray with this unfactual nonsense.

To make matters worse I've started so see some anti-Freemason rhetoric appear on Hibs social media pages. As if every referee has to enter a degree initiation ceremony the day after passing theit referee exams. :faf:

Let's focus on vociforously calling out bad decisions against us, give evidence of bias and call for better standards. But please leave the infantile conspiracy theories about Freemasonry to the Smellies.

[hibsbollah]

The root of the ‘paranoia’ is that theres a strong vein of anti-Irish racism in some parts of Scottish society that its hard to avoid or ignore. If that sometimes get mis-applied or misconstrued as being about the masons/the orange order/religion/sectarianism/the illuminati/the Lanarkshire referees association, that’s kind of a side issue. I get if you’re a mason that’s probably quite annoying, but im interested in what motivates someone to be one in the first place?

I dont particularly like Celtic fans, and i think they have a cheek to complain about refereeing bias when against every non-Rangers opponent they play they get the majority of the decisions.

[VoltaireHibs]

So now that the Cream Buns are top of the Premiership, I've started to notice an undercurrent of theories from the Lesser Greens about 'the establishment' being out to help their rivals.

Everything from the biased meeja, to the government bodies to refereeing decisions. Not content to bring up sectarianism and their hatred for the Orange Order and Protestants, they also take a free hit against all Freemasons. The former I can empathise with, the next is simply ludicrous and the latter is discriminatory and unfounded.

The phrase I hear about Celtic fans is that they are "Always cheated, never defeated". Meaning, if things do not go their way, they seem to blame a fabled "conspiracy", rather than their teams poor performance on the pitch.

Was it John Greig that was famously photographed shaking hands in a "Masonic Way" with Tiny Wharton? Since then some Celtic fans seem to think a freemason-backed establishment conspiracy is out to get them, conveniently ignoring the fact that Jock Stein was also a Freemason. This "Anyone but Celtic" slavering is plain stupidity, however, small minds can easily be led astray with this unfactual nonsense.

To make matters worse I've started so see some anti-Freemason rhetoric appear on Hibs social media pages. As if every referee has to enter a degree initiation ceremony the day after passing theit referee exams. :faf:

Let's focus on vociforously calling out bad decisions against us, give evidence of bias and call for better standards. But please leave the infantile conspiracy theories about Freemasonry to the Smellies.

It's probably because when John Beaton retires, the Rangers will probably retire his jersey and have a minutes silence.

Ditto Nick Walsh.

[Steve20]

It's probably because when John Beaton retires, the Rangers will probably retire his jersey and have a minutes silence.

Ditto Nick Walsh.

Obviously just ignore both those refs helping Celtic out a huge amount as well?

Celtic have a cheek. Both of them get more decisions than anyone else, but in both Rangers-Celtic games this season, the big decisions have went in their favour when they shouldn't have got them.

So it's total paranoia again from Celtic.

[Sparrows tongue]

You know what they say...

Always the victims...

[Onceinawhile]

So now that the Cream Buns are top of the Premiership, I've started to notice an undercurrent of theories from the Lesser Greens about 'the establishment' being out to help their rivals.

Everything from the biased meeja, to the government bodies to refereeing decisions. Not content to bring up sectarianism and their hatred for the Orange Order and Protestants, they also take a free hit against all Freemasons. The former I can empathise with, the next is simply ludicrous and the latter is discriminatory and unfounded.

The phrase I hear about Celtic fans is that they are "Always cheated, never defeated". Meaning, if things do not go their way, they seem to blame a fabled "conspiracy", rather than their teams poor performance on the pitch.

Was it John Greig that was famously photographed shaking hands in a "Masonic Way" with Tiny Wharton? Since then some Celtic fans seem to think a freemason-backed establishment conspiracy is out to get them, conveniently ignoring the fact that Jock Stein was also a Freemason. This "Anyone but Celtic" slavering is plain stupidity, however, small minds can easily be led astray with this unfactual nonsense.

To make matters worse I've started so see some anti-Freemason rhetoric appear on Hibs social media pages. As if every referee has to enter a degree initiation ceremony the day after passing theit referee exams. :faf:

Let's focus on vociforously calling out bad decisions against us, give evidence of bias and call for better standards. But please leave the infantile conspiracy theories about Freemasonry to the Smellies.

You could have just said, I'm a mason and I don't like them being mean about us. Would've saved you 5 / 6 paragraphs.

[Sparrows tongue]

You could have just said, I'm a mason and I don't like them being mean about us. Would've saved you 5 / 6 paragraphs.

:greengrin

[Torto7]

So now that the Cream Buns are top of the Premiership, I've started to notice an undercurrent of theories from the Lesser Greens about 'the establishment' being out to help their rivals.

Everything from the biased meeja, to the government bodies to refereeing decisions. Not content to bring up sectarianism and their hatred for the Orange Order and Protestants, they also take a free hit against all Freemasons. The former I can empathise with, the next is simply ludicrous and the latter is discriminatory and unfounded.

The phrase I hear about Celtic fans is that they are "Always cheated, never defeated". Meaning, if things do not go their way, they seem to blame a fabled "conspiracy", rather than their teams poor performance on the pitch.

Was it John Greig that was famously photographed shaking hands in a "Masonic Way" with Tiny Wharton? Since then some Celtic fans seem to think a freemason-backed establishment conspiracy is out to get them, conveniently ignoring the fact that Jock Stein was also a Freemason. This "Anyone but Celtic" slavering is plain stupidity, however, small minds can easily be led astray with this unfactual nonsense.

To make matters worse I've started so see some anti-Freemason rhetoric appear on Hibs social media pages. As if every referee has to enter a degree initiation ceremony the day after passing theit referee exams. :faf:

Let's focus on vociforously calling out bad decisions against us, give evidence of bias and call for better standards. But please leave the infantile conspiracy theories about Freemasonry to the Smellies.

Whichever one of them is second in the league seems to dictate paranoia levels. There's anti Irish Catholics galore in Scotland(I don't see them as Scottish) but that isn't the reason Smelltic are *****.

[RIP]

You could have just said, I'm a mason and I don't like them being mean about us. Would've saved you 5 / 6 paragraphs.

I might also have said I'm a Monkey's Uncle. But then you might not have understood the point of my post.:rolleyes:

It's a pity you can't zoom in on my Avatar and see all the Masonic symbols on my back:na na:

[Since90+2]

Personally speaking as someone who's lived in Edinburgh their whole life, I don't see a huge amount of anti Irish sentiment these days. Not saying it isn't worse in other areas of the country,or that it wasn't a bigger issue in the past, but from my personal experience it's not a huge part of society here.

IMO there is more anti English / Britishness in Edinburgh that I've experienced. And I say that as someone who doesn't particularly care for the British state.

[Iain G]

You could have just said, I'm a mason and I don't like them being mean about us. Would've saved you 5 / 6 paragraphs.

There is a weird undercurrent on here of masons coming out and defending their weirdo secret society with this nothing to see here, move on, style of rhetoric.

[VoltaireHibs]

There is a weird undercurrent on here of masons coming out and defending their weirdo secret society with this nothing to see here, move on, style of rhetoric.

The fact they exist at all in a modern society is, to me anyway, totally bizarre.

[Archie70]

The fact they exist at all in a modern society is, to me anyway, totally bizarre.

Celtic or Masons:greengrin

[RIP]

There is a weird undercurrent on here of masons coming out and defending their weirdo secret society with this nothing to see here, move on, style of rhetoric.

Any evidence for posting this hypothesis?

[Carheenlea]

Personally speaking as someone who's lived in Edinburgh their whole life, I don't see a huge amount of anti Irish sentiment these days. Not saying it isn't worse in other areas of the country,or that it wasn't a bigger issue in the past, but from my personal experience it's not a huge part of society here.

IMO there is more anti English / Britishness in Edinburgh that I've experienced. And I say that as someone who doesn't particularly care for the British state.

My wife is Irish and has lived here for almost two decades and has never once experienced any anti Irish sentiment.

The three or four Rangers games she has attended with me the exception, but that was more aimed at us as a support in general whether any of us were Irish, catholic or not. That’s Rangers for you.

Admittedly we don’t live in the west of Scotland, and anti Irish bigotry is an alien concept to me, but I don’t doubt it still exists in small pockets and of course historically things were very different.

[Malthibby]

So now that the Cream Buns are top of the Premiership, I've started to notice an undercurrent of theories from the Lesser Greens about 'the establishment' being out to help their rivals.

Everything from the biased meeja, to the government bodies to refereeing decisions. Not content to bring up sectarianism and their hatred for the Orange Order and Protestants, they also take a free hit against all Freemasons. The former I can empathise with, the next is simply ludicrous and the latter is discriminatory and unfounded.

The phrase I hear about Celtic fans is that they are "Always cheated, never defeated". Meaning, if things do not go their way, they seem to blame a fabled "conspiracy", rather than their teams poor performance on the pitch.

Was it John Greig that was famously photographed shaking hands in a "Masonic Way" with Tiny Wharton? Since then some Celtic fans seem to think a freemason-backed establishment conspiracy is out to get them, conveniently ignoring the fact that Jock Stein was also a Freemason. This "Anyone but Celtic" slavering is plain stupidity, however, small minds can easily be led astray with this unfactual nonsense.

To make matters worse I've started so see some anti-Freemason rhetoric appear on Hibs social media pages. As if every referee has to enter a degree initiation ceremony the day after passing theit referee exams. :faf:

Let's focus on vociforously calling out bad decisions against us, give evidence of bias and call for better standards. But please leave the infantile conspiracy theories about Freemasonry to the Smellies.


Sorry mate but I worked in the Clydesdale Bank in the 70's/80's and was transferred to the Head Office in Glasgow. Didn't know it when I was in Edinburgh but the CN was 'Ra Peeple's Bank.' Had the Rangers accounts & a very large number of Orange & Masonic Lodges. It was also a standing joke that out of 360 plus branches, there was one Catholic manager....only changed when the Aussies took over & threatened to shut it down & start again if the culture didn't change.
It's much better now, have enjoyed my fair share of Burns Suppers in one lodge in particular, although membership's not for me but as has already been said, the historical roots go back a long way; along with the bias and the bigotry.
It's woven into the fabric & very existence of those two horrible institutions.

[RIP]

Sorry mate but I worked in the Clydesdale Bank in the 70's/80's and was transferred to the Head Office in Glasgow. Didn't know it when I was in Edinburgh but the CN was 'Ra Peeple's Bank.' Had the Rangers accounts & a very large number of Orange & Masonic Lodges. It was also a standing joke that out of 360 plus branches, there was one Catholic manager....only changed when the Aussies took over & threatened to shut it down & start again if the culture didn't change.
It's much better now, have enjoyed my fair share of Burns Suppers in one lodge in particular, although membership's not for me but as has already been said, the historical roots go back a long way; along with the bias and the bigotry.
It's woven into the fabric & very existence of those two horrible institutions.

Having worked in Glasgow back in the day I concur. It was like that then. However I also worked beside two Cream Buns that blackened their faces on Ash Wednesday

However I still think it is a howling claim to suggest that only freemasons are recruited as referees, as Celtic fans try to claim.

Only 1% of Scottish males are freemasons and most of them are pensioners. So that means out of 300 applicants for a refereeing course only ONE is likely to be a Freemason. Do Celtic fans actually believe that 299 out of every 300 referee candidates get rejected from their courses based on their inability to shake an SPFL examiners hand in a particular way?

This is how ludicrous Celtic fans sound

[Iain G]

Any evidence for posting this hypothesis?

The last thread where the orange order etc were discussed a lot of folks were saying how benign and lonely the masons were really...how they love Catholics and women and the likes!

[RIP]

The last thread where the orange order etc were discussed a lot of folks were saying how benign and lonely the masons were really...how they love Catholics and women and the likes!

Conflating the OO and Freemasons makes no sense. Most masons have nothing in common with those bigots.

[jacomo]

There is a weird undercurrent on here of masons coming out and defending their weirdo secret society with this nothing to see here, move on, style of rhetoric.


We’re all masons except you.

[Hibeesdaft16]

Weird thread for a Hibernian forum.

[gbhibby]

Should this not be on the Holy Ground?

[AngloHibs]

Personally speaking as someone who's lived in Edinburgh their whole life, I don't see a huge amount of anti Irish sentiment these days. Not saying it isn't worse in other areas of the country,or that it wasn't a bigger issue in the past, but from my personal experience it's not a huge part of society here.

IMO there is more anti English / Britishness in Edinburgh that I've experienced. And I say that as someone who doesn't particularly care for the British state.

I'm not doubting what you say, but as an Englishman I've never had any problems in Edinburgh, or anywhere else in Scotland. I don't go around with a St George's flag or a UJ, or wearing an England shirt, but when I open my gob my Yorkshire accent is a bit of a giveaway 🤣
To be quite honest, I find visiting Scotland to be just the same as going to anywhere else in the UK. If anyone has had any kind of prejudice against me they've done a pretty good job of hiding it

[The_Exile]

Staggering that a team that won a quadruple treble not so long ago are genuinely believing the system is against them. What kind of world do these imbeciles inhabit? Can you imagine them having to stomach the crap the other 10 teams need to put up with?

[Hibbyradge]

Staggering that a team that won a quadruple treble not so long ago are genuinely believing the system is against them. What kind of world do these imbeciles inhabit? Can you imagine them having to stomach the crap the other 10 teams need to put up with?

According to the OP, it's an undercurrent.

The Celtic fans I know blame Rogers not the Masons.

[RIP]

According to the OP, it's an undercurrent.

The Celtic fans I know blame Rogers not the Masons.

Maybe I just have too many Sectarian / Irish Republican Celtic fans in my circle. Perhaps I should simply refer my statistics of the tiny ratios of masons and referees in Scotland to them. And it seems to a couple of diet Tims on here. :wink:

[VoltaireHibs]

According to the OP, it's an undercurrent.

The Celtic fans I know blame Rogers not the Masons.

Yip, Rodgers and also the board going back to pre Wee Fergus McCann, biscuit tin mentality.

[Hibbyradge]

Maybe I just have too many Sectarian / Irish Republican Celtic fans in my circle. Perhaps I should simply refer my statistics of the tiny ratios of masons and referees in Scotland to them. And it seems to a couple of diet Tims on here. :wink:

I've no opinion on what you should be referring to. I just don't think there's a huge swell of paranoia among their fanbase.

I don't think there have there been many controversial decisions given against them although I don't see them very often.

[gbhibby]

Conflating the OO and Freemasons makes no sense. Most masons have nothing in common with those bigots.
There are people who are members of both so that is the perception that is out there. Was the not a case a few years ago where there was two people who were in planning in Falkirk council who were found to be corrupt who were members of both the masons and the Orange Lodge I have come accross people who are members of both. Peoples perception when I was growing up that you would get on in certain jobs if you were a Mason and not a Catholic, so that is where the paranoia comes from. Unfortunately mud sticks. The referee aspect of the paranoia is that some referees in the past were known Masons who favoured a certain team
my dad who was a
Referee was approached by another referee asking him if he wanted to join the Masons. Our support and some other teams have been known to chant Who's the Mason in the black. The Orange Order is a sectarian organisation which has no place in modern society so people who are members of the OO should not be allowed in the Masons.

[Carheenlea]

I've no opinion on what you should be referring to. I just don't think there's a huge swell of paranoia among their fanbase.

I don't think there have there been many controversial decisions given against them although I don't see them very often.

If you don’t sense a huge swell of paranoia among the fan base then I’d recommend a look at this if you have a spare hour. You might change your mind!

https://youtu.be/M4Ld__g_L3A?feature=shared

[Sparrows tongue]

Weird thread for a Hibernian forum.

It really isn’t.

It’s a football related thread about a rival of ours.

[One Day Soon]

Self-pitying victim complex merchants. ********s best ignored. Ugly Sister Victim and Ugly Sister Bigot, **** them both.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Whichever one of them is second in the league seems to dictate paranoia levels. There's anti Irish Catholics galore in Scotland(I don't see them as Scottish) but that isn't the reason Smelltic are *****.

I’m presuming I must be reading this wrong, you don’t see catholics as Scottish?


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[jakeshibs]

So now that the Cream Buns are top of the Premiership, I've started to notice an undercurrent of theories from the Lesser Greens about 'the establishment' being out to help their rivals.

Everything from the biased meeja, to the government bodies to refereeing decisions. Not content to bring up sectarianism and their hatred for the Orange Order and Protestants, they also take a free hit against all Freemasons. The former I can empathise with, the next is simply ludicrous and the latter is discriminatory and unfounded.

The phrase I hear about Celtic fans is that they are "Always cheated, never defeated". Meaning, if things do not go their way, they seem to blame a fabled "conspiracy", rather than their teams poor performance on the pitch.

Was it John Greig that was famously photographed shaking hands in a "Masonic Way" with Tiny Wharton? Since then some Celtic fans seem to think a freemason-backed establishment conspiracy is out to get them, conveniently ignoring the fact that Jock Stein was also a Freemason. This "Anyone but Celtic" slavering is plain stupidity, however, small minds can easily be led astray with this unfactual nonsense.

To make matters worse I've started so see some anti-Freemason rhetoric appear on Hibs social media pages. As if every referee has to enter a degree initiation ceremony the day after passing theit referee exams. :faf:


Let's focus on vociforously calling out bad decisions against us, give evidence of bias and call for better standards. But please leave the infantile conspiracy theories about Freemasonry to the Smellies.

well said Sir, first to wear the green!!!

[Iain G]

Conflating the OO and Freemasons makes no sense. Most masons have nothing in common with those bigots.

I never linked them, it was in the other thread!

[Iain G]

We’re all masons except you.

That makes me very happy 🤣

[Iain G]

I’m presuming I must be reading this wrong, you don’t see catholics as Scottish?


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Surely Scottish people are Scottish, regardless of what fairytales, children's stories and poppycock they believe?

[sambajustice]

So now that the Cream Buns are top of the Premiership, I've started to notice an undercurrent of theories from the Lesser Greens about 'the establishment' being out to help their rivals.

Everything from the biased meeja, to the government bodies to refereeing decisions. Not content to bring up sectarianism and their hatred for the Orange Order and Protestants, they also take a free hit against all Freemasons. The former I can empathise with, the next is simply ludicrous and the latter is discriminatory and unfounded.

The phrase I hear about Celtic fans is that they are "Always cheated, never defeated". Meaning, if things do not go their way, they seem to blame a fabled "conspiracy", rather than their teams poor performance on the pitch.

Was it John Greig that was famously photographed shaking hands in a "Masonic Way" with Tiny Wharton? Since then some Celtic fans seem to think a freemason-backed establishment conspiracy is out to get them, conveniently ignoring the fact that Jock Stein was also a Freemason. This "Anyone but Celtic" slavering is plain stupidity, however, small minds can easily be led astray with this unfactual nonsense.

To make matters worse I've started so see some anti-Freemason rhetoric appear on Hibs social media pages. As if every referee has to enter a degree initiation ceremony the day after passing theit referee exams. :faf:

Let's focus on vociforously calling out bad decisions against us, give evidence of bias and call for better standards. But please leave the infantile conspiracy theories about Freemasonry to the Smellies.

What a load of complete crap.

[RIP]

What a load of complete crap.

Click on the link in Carheenlea's post.

The video is entitled "Anyone but Celtic".

You won't need to watch more that ten minutes to revise that statement

[The Harp Awakes]

I find myself agreeing and disagreeing with the OP.

I do agree that the hysteria spouted by some Celtic fans is way over the top. Outside the Rangers they do seem to get much more favourable decisions than the other clubs.

However, you just need to look at the statistics of pens awarded and pens conceded over many years, to accept that the Rangers are treated much more favourably than any other club. Add in the fact that the titles and cups are almost always won by the 2 clubs, then it is easy to see why some Celtic fans believe there is a conspiracy against them.

On the subject of Irish/Catholic prejudice, sadly I think this still exists in Scotland, particularly away from the East. This is an news story from only a few days ago but theses incidents are not uncommon:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/rangers-fans-who-brutally-battered-32003491.amp

The religious prejudice involved is disturbing.

One other thing I'd add is that in a lifetime engaging with Hibs supporters, Celtic supporters and/or Catholic people, I've never came across any prejudice against Protestant people. I can't say that of Rangers supporters for sure.

[vuefrom1875]

You could have just said, I'm a mason and I don't like them being mean about us. Would've saved you 5 / 6 paragraphs.

Spot on,he's a goatskin.

[Smartie]

My Celtic-supporting mate actively revels in the fact that they’re the establishment club now, and the bites he gets from all and hundry are hilarious.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Wondering what the order of things were. Celtc not winning every week and then a building agenda against them or the agenda building and then they aren't winning every week.

[WhileTheChief..]

How is it paranoia when it’s Celtic fans but normal when it’s us??

This forum has been greeting about refs and var for a few weeks with some folk wanting us to write letters and issue statements!

[Sparrows tongue]

Surely Scottish people are Scottish, regardless of what fairytales, children's stories and poppycock they believe?

Surely you can be Scottish and have a religion though?

[McD]

I find myself agreeing and disagreeing with the OP.

I do agree that the hysteria spouted by some Celtic fans is way over the top. Outside the Rangers they do seem to get much more favourable decisions than the other clubs.

However, you just need to look at the statistics of pens awarded and pens conceded over many years, to accept that the Rangers are treated much more favourably than any other club. Add in the fact that the titles and cups are almost always won by the 2 clubs, then it is easy to see why some Celtic fans believe there is a conspiracy against them.

On the subject of Irish/Catholic prejudice, sadly I think this still exists in Scotland, particularly away from the East. This is an news story from only a few days ago but theses incidents are not uncommon:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/rangers-fans-who-brutally-battered-32003491.amp

The religious prejudice involved is disturbing.

One other thing I'd add is that in a lifetime engaging with Hibs supporters, Celtic supporters and/or Catholic people, I've never came across any prejudice against Protestant people. I can't say that of Rangers supporters for sure.



How does rangers and Celtic almost always winning winning every cup and trophy equate to a conspiracy against Celtic? :confused: They’ve won far more than anyone for a significant time, rangers have been back in the top flight for 7 full seasons, and Celtic have largely dominated them during that period

[Jones28]

How is it paranoia when it’s Celtic fans but normal when it’s us??

This forum has been greeting about refs and var for a few weeks with some folk wanting us to write letters and issue statements!

The difference is we win **** all and can justify our moaning.

[WhileTheChief..]

The difference is we win **** all and can justify our moaning.

Fair comment!!

[hibsbollah]

How is it paranoia when it’s Celtic fans but normal when it’s us??

This forum has been greeting about refs and var for a few weeks with some folk wanting us to write letters and issue statements!

:faf: I did think as well in fairness

[RIP]

Spot on,he's a goatskin.

You referring to me ya saftie.

Why don't you join me as a member of St Pat's branch of the HSA and I'll show you the photos of my family trip to Ballingarry Ireland last year to visit the birthplace of our founder.

Then if you speak to me nicely, I'll show you my full back tattoo collection. It's visible on my avatar.

Cannon Hannan, St Pat's Church, Pat Stanton,
Canongate, Scottish Cup, Irish Harp all signed off by the signature - Southsider.

I'm coming up for 68 and still never crossed the door of a Masonic Lodge. Read my first post again. Maybe you won't miss the point so spectacularly second time around 🤣

[eastmainsmsh]

They will be even more paranoid Roger’s interested in abdellah zoubir that played for us

[Iain G]

Surely you can be Scottish and have a religion though?

You can be Scottish ave believe in whatever nonsense you like, and you are still Scottish 😊

[PHeffernan]

If you don’t sense a huge swell of paranoia among the fan base then I’d recommend a look at this if you have a spare hour. You might change your mind!

https://youtu.be/M4Ld__g_L3A?feature=shared

My god, that is embarrassing. Complete zoomers!
With a degree of intelligence they could have made a valid 20 minute piece but what you get is over an hour of howling at the moon.
Obviously the target audience are the unquestioning hoards.

[The Harp Awakes]

How does rangers and Celtic almost always winning winning every cup and trophy equate to a conspiracy against Celtic? :confused: They’ve won far more than anyone for a significant time, rangers have been back in the top flight for 7 full seasons, and Celtic have largely dominated them during that period

Their view on life is is only 2 clubs exist in Scotland that matter. Every other club is a diddy club. If the conspiracy is that officials favour the Rangers (and the stats suggest that) then it's anti Celtic.

If there is any conspiracy, then it's pro Rangers to the detriment of every other club, not just Celtic.

[Malthibby]

You can be Scottish ave believe in whatever nonsense you like, and you are still Scottish 😊

:greengrin:greengrin..........

[Carheenlea]

My god, that is embarrassing. Complete zoomers!
With a degree of intelligence they could have made a valid 20 minute piece but what you get is over an hour of howling at the moon.
Obviously the target audience are the unquestioning hoards.

Worth keeping in mind that Celtic gave this tin foil hatter access to stadium for this, and former players who are part of the fabric of the club made contribution to this nonsense as well.

Beyond parody.

[Bakerman]

Worth keeping in mind that Celtic gave this tin foil hatter access to stadium for this, and former players who are part of the fabric of the club made contribution to this nonsense as well.

Beyond parody.

Craig Thompson's face was paraded on more than one occasion. That was never a referee. At least he got that right. Think the other one Craig Napier is the thing Thompson's prodigy. There is an element of truth, in there, of course there is, it was a clumsy, and amateurish video in parts though. Anyone, that's followed Hibernian for decades knows that there has been a definite establishment in the refereeing circles.

[PHeffernan]

Worth keeping in mind that Celtic gave this tin foil hatter access to stadium for this, and former players who are part of the fabric of the club made contribution to this nonsense as well.

Beyond parody.

Sean Fallon is an old man and lets just say, I think the film makers took advantage of him.
As for Tom Boyd, it would be interesting to hear what he was told before making his contribution which didn't really follow the madness of the rest of it.
I picture him taking a deep intake of breath when he saw the bat **** finished product. Similarly Celtic PLC when it was brought to their notice. I trust Boyd and the club learned a lesson.

The content of the film had mare holes than Rab C's vest.
Stories where the punchline didn't make their point like the conspirators appointing a Hearts supporter to referee the Hearts v Dundee game to ensure that Celtic didn't win the title. All good but Albert Kidd and Dundee won the game, unstopped by the referee, meaning Celtic won the league.
Then there was all the cringe stuff about the woman at the SFA which bizarely had nothing to do with any Rangers/Masonic conspiracy. Just base titilation to keep the attention of the easily manipulated Cellik supporting dullards the film was aimed at.

[Bakerman]

Sean Fallon is an old man and lets just say, I think the film makers took advantage of him.
As for Tom Boyd, it would be interesting to hear what he was told before making his contribution which didn't really follow the madness of the rest of it.
I picture him taking a deep intake of breath when he saw the bat **** finished product. Similarly Celtic PLC when it was brought to their notice. I trust Boyd and the club learned a lesson.

The makers told stories where the punchline didn't make their point like the conspirators appointing a Hearts supporter to referee the Hearts v Dundee game to ensure that Celtic didn't win the title. All good but Albert Kidd and Dundee won the game, unstopped by the referee, meaning Celtic won the league.
Then there was all the cringe stuff about the woman at the SFA which bizarely had nothing to do with any Rangers/Masonic conspiracy. I presume it was included to keep the attention of the dullards.

Genuine question, why are you attempting to make out, that there wasn't a hierarchy, within refereeing circles? Just about every Hibernian supporter over the age of 30 knows that there has been? Why are you so passionate, on the side of, the Bob Valentine's, Craig Thompson's, Craig Napier's etc?

[PHeffernan]

Genuine question, why are you attempting to make out, that there wasn't a hierarchy, within refereeing circles? Just about every Hibernian supporter over the age of 30 knows that there has been? Why are you so passionate, on the side of, the Bob Valentine's, Craig Thompson's, Craig Napier's etc?

Have you watched the film?

[Bakerman]

Have you watched the film?

It wasn't a film, just folk putting their long lived opinions across, that you passionately, and vocally, vehemently disagree with.

[PHeffernan]

It wasn't a film, just folk putting their long lived opinions across, that you passionately, and vocally, vehemently disagree with.


As I said in an earlier post they could have made a 15-20 minute short film/documentary if they wanted to make a serious point but instead they made an embarrassing hour long tabloidesque piece for the hard of thinking which totally undermined any point they were trying to make.

P.S. Here's the thing.
In the last 60 years Celtic have won the League 33 times to Rangers 22, the Scottish Cup 24 times to Rangers 17 and the League Cup 19 times to Rangers 22.
Those facts would suggest either an incredibly incompetent effort over the last 60 years by the all powerful conspirators and their referees against Celtic or there has been little or no conspiracy.

[WhileTheChief..]

Genuine question, why are you attempting to make out, that there wasn't a hierarchy, within refereeing circles? Just about every Hibernian supporter over the age of 30 knows that there has been? Why are you so passionate, on the side of, the Bob Valentine's, Craig Thompson's, Craig Napier's etc?

Nope.

There is no referee's conspiracy in Scottish football.

[hibsbollah]

As I said in an earlier post they could have made a 15-20 minute short film/documentary if they wanted to make a serious point but instead they made an embarrassing hour long tabloidesque piece for the hard of thinking which totally undermined any point they were trying to make.

P.S. Here's the thing.
In the last 60 years Celtic have won the League 33 times to Rangers 22, the Scottish Cup 24 times to Rangers 17 and the League Cup 19 times to Rangers 22.
Those facts would suggest either an incredibly incompetent effort over the last 60 years by the all powerful conspirators and their referees against Celtic or there has been little or no conspiracy.

Your critique is of the quality of the film then, not with the point they are making, which is very sound.

[venomos07]

Sure, bias exists, but let's focus on calling out bad decisions with evidence rather than jumping to conclusions about secret societies pulling the strings.

[PHeffernan]

Your critique is of the quality of the film then, not with the point they are making, which is very sound.

In the last 60 years
Celtic have won the League 33 times to Rangers 22,
the Scottish Cup 24 times to Rangers 17
and the League Cup 19 times to Rangers 22.
Those facts and a conspiracy theory against Celtic are mutually exclusive.

[hibsbollah]

In the last 60 years
Celtic have won the League 33 times to Rangers 22,
the Scottish Cup 24 times to Rangers 17
and the League Cup 19 times to Rangers 22.
Those facts and a conspiracy theory against Celtic are mutually exclusive.

Well they really aren’t, both things can be possible at the same time if you give it a bit of logical thought.

[RIP]

My local lodge had a recruitment tent at the village fair two years ago. On a boiling hot day, every family was in shorts and shades. The brothers were in blazers and ties. The youngest looked about 70 and in no shape to run about for 9 seconds let alone 90 minutes blowing a whistle.

There's little doubt that in the days of Bobby Davidson, Tiny Wharton and the Lanarkshire Referees Association there were many Masonic referees. But the craft has been shrinking faster than Nick Montgomery's win bonus fund so any anti Celtic bias will surely also be ebbing away?

[Bakerman]

My local lodge had a recruitment tent at the village fair two years ago. On a boiling hot day, every family was in shorts and shades. The brothers were in blazers and ties. The youngest looked about 70 and in no shape to run about for 9 seconds let alone 90 minutes blowing a whistle.

There's little doubt that in the days of Bobby Davidson, Tiny Wharton and the Lanarkshire Referees Association there were many Masonic referees. But the craft has been shrinking faster than Nick Montgomery's win bonus fund so any anti Celtic bias will surely also be ebbing away?

You would think so, but if the Biscuits recruitment policy of hiring jambo pals on sportsound/open all mics etc, is evidence of no change, then who knows. When I hear at least one Hibs voice on sportsound/open all mics then I will begin to think change is afoot. We need Billionaires like Bill Foley to invest in our club and real change will happen. Money talks, Billionaires can change cultures.