Where will be after the next six games?

[matty_f]

I think the next six games are absolutely crucial to the season. We have very little margin for error now and need to be getting wins on the board. Draws are not going to be much use unless it's a point gained in a game we're not expecting to win.

We've got:

Aberdeen (A)
Dundee (H)
Hearts (A)
Ross County (H)
Rangers (H) (Scottish Cup)
Ross County (A)

For me, I think we need to be taking 10 points minimum from the 5 league games. I think we'll lose in the cup, but if we're in good form going into that game I wouldn't be that surprised to see us turn up against Rangers, particularly if they've had a European game in the midweek.

Anything less than 10 points and I think we're in real danger of missing out on top 6, obviously depending on how other teams around us do. The next three games are all very hard to call, definitely 'could go either way' fixtures, and other than Ross County, there are none there where we're clear favourites based on form this season.

[WhileTheChief..]

Is it cool for folk to post their actual thoughts? You must realise there could be some negative replies to this.

Feels like you’re setting some of us up to complain about us!

[Hibeesdaft16]

Is it cool for folk to post their actual thoughts? You must realise there could be some negative replies to this.

Feels like you’re setting some of us up to complain about us!

:agree::agree:

Post what could realistically happen be called a bed wetter and get hounded upon plus be accused of being a troll.

[Keith_M]

Where will be after the next six games?


Just a guess, but... driving home from Dingwall?

:dunno:

[Scooter]

I think the next six games are absolutely crucial to the season. We have very little margin for error now and need to be getting wins on the board. Draws are not going to be much use unless it's a point gained in a game we're not expecting to win.

We've got:

Aberdeen (A)
Dundee (H)
Hearts (A)
Ross County (H)
Rangers (H) (Scottish Cup)
Ross County (A)

For me, I think we need to be taking 10 points minimum from the 5 league games. I think we'll lose in the cup, but if we're in good form going into that game I wouldn't be that surprised to see us turn up against Rangers, particularly if they've had a European game in the midweek.

Anything less than 10 points and I think we're in real danger of missing out on top 6, obviously depending on how other teams around us do. The next three games are all very hard to call, definitely 'could go either way' fixtures, and other than Ross County, there are none there where we're clear favourites based on form this season.

I agree, need wins v County x 2 % Dundee at very minimum

[SickBoy32]

Given that we’re scrapping it out with Aberdeen / Dundee for the final spot in the top 6, I think we need a minimum of 4 points from these 2 fixtures in the next 10days, followed up by 6 points from our double header with Ross County.

To answer the question in the OP I think we’ll end up bottom 6 and emptied out the cup by the huns, unfortunately.

[matty_f]

Is it cool for folk to post their actual thoughts? You must realise there could be some negative replies to this.

Feels like you’re setting some of us up to complain about us!

Post what you like, mate. It's not a loaded question.

[Lago]

Is it cool for folk to post their actual thoughts? You must realise there could be some negative replies to this.

Feels like you’re setting some of us up to complain about us!
Never stopped you before. :cb

[matty_f]

:agree::agree:

Post what could realistically happen be called a bed wetter and get hounded upon plus be accused of being a troll.


Was I trolling or wetting the bed with this? Would say that was a realistic view.

For me, I think we need to be taking 10 points minimum from the 5 league games. I think we'll lose in the cup, but if we're in good form going into that game I wouldn't be that surprised to see us turn up against Rangers, particularly if they've had a European game in the midweek.

Anything less than 10 points and I think we're in real danger of missing out on top 6, obviously depending on how other teams around us do. The next three games are all very hard to call, definitely 'could go either way' fixtures, and other than Ross County, there are none there where we're clear favourites based on form this season

[Paulie Walnuts]

Would be surprised to see us take anything from Aberdeen, Hearts or Rangers and would be surprised to see us win all of the rest. I reckon 5-7 points in the league which would be roughly about what our PPG under NM would suggest is likely and knocked out the cup.

[Winston Ingram]

I'm hoping now that he's eventually woken up to how ineffective his tactics were and assuming 442 is in the bin, that we will be in the top 6.

[Hibeesdaft16]

Was I trolling or wetting the bed with this? Would say that was a realistic view.

For me, I think we need to be taking 10 points minimum from the 5 league games. I think we'll lose in the cup, but if we're in good form going into that game I wouldn't be that surprised to see us turn up against Rangers, particularly if they've had a European game in the midweek.

Anything less than 10 points and I think we're in real danger of missing out on top 6, obviously depending on how other teams around us do. The next three games are all very hard to call, definitely 'could go either way' fixtures, and other than Ross County, there are none there where we're clear favourites based on form this season




No mate, it's accusations that has been directed at me over the past couple of days. Both trolling and bed wetting for not being in the everything is rosy camp.

I don't feel you have posted the thread for that to intentionally happen but there will be a pack that hound others that post realistic predictions based on what they have seen all season.

[Pretty Boy]

I was interested to learn recently that Hibs break the pre split fixtures into 3rds and the target is 20 points from each. In the first 11 we managed 11 points and the second 15. So far from the final 11, 2 games in, we have zero points. With 9 remaining in that mini league it looks a tough task to get the 20 points. Realistically though 35-38 points should get us top 6 which means we need somewhere between 12 and 15. That is more than achievable from our current position as we have a fairly kind run of fixtures heading to the split.

From the next 5 league games I would say 12+ points is an exceptional return, 9 or 10 very decent and 7 or less a pretty poor return from that run of fixtures. By hook or by crook we just need to start winning games and getting points on the board. If those points come at the expense of teams like Dundee or Aberdeen who are in direct competition with us for top 6 then all the better.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I was interested to learn recently that Hibs break the pre split fixtures into 3rds and the target is 20 points from each. In the first 11 we managed 11 points and the second 15. So far from the final 11, 2 games in, we have zero points. With 9 remaining in that mini league it looks a tough task to get the 20 points. Realistically though 35-38 points should get us top 6 which means we need somewhere between 12 and 15. That is more than achievable from our current position as we have a fairly kind run of fixtures heading to the split.

From the next 5 league games I would say 12+ points is an exceptional return, 9 or 10 very decent and 7 or less a pretty poor return from that run of fixtures. By hook or by crook we just need to start winning games and getting points on the board. If those points come at the expense of teams like Dundee or Aberdeen who are in direct competition with us for top 6 then all the better.

Would be interesting to know if those targets are part of the KPIs of the manager. If so then coming nowhere close in each of those splits is pretty damning.

[Fergus52]

Would be surprised to see us take anything from Aberdeen, Hearts or Rangers and would be surprised to see us win all of the rest. I reckon 5-7 points in the league which would be roughly about what our PPG under NM would suggest is likely and knocked out the cup.

expect us to probably lose at Tynecastle but we should have no fear whatsoever in going to Pittodrie. Will likely be a pretty even game but we have a great chance of taking the 3 points imo.

[Brightside]

Now that Monty finally has some the type of players he wants in the roles that matter, I'm hopefully that we will see an upturn in results. I think we draw with Dundee though , but we will beat Hearts and beat them by 3.

[greenlex]

I think the next six games are absolutely crucial to the season. We have very little margin for error now and need to be getting wins on the board. Draws are not going to be much use unless it's a point gained in a game we're not expecting to win.

We've got:

Aberdeen (A)
Dundee (H)
Hearts (A)
Ross County (H)
Rangers (H) (Scottish Cup)
Ross County (A)

For me, I think we need to be taking 10 points minimum from the 5 league games. I think we'll lose in the cup, but if we're in good form going into that game I wouldn't be that surprised to see us turn up against Rangers, particularly if they've had a European game in the midweek.

Anything less than 10 points and I think we're in real danger of missing out on top 6, obviously depending on how other teams around us do. The next three games are all very hard to call, definitely 'could go either way' fixtures, and other than Ross County, there are none there where we're clear favourites based on form this season.
I think we’re going unbeaten.

[matty_f]

Now that Monty finally has some the type of players he wants in the roles that matter, I'm hopefully that we will see an upturn in results. I think we draw with Dundee though , but we will beat Hearts and beat them by 3.

Would take a draw with Dundee if it meant scudding Hearts, to be fair.

[He's here!]

I think we'll have a better idea after the Aberdeen game whether the upturn in performance over the last couple of games was a just a short-term reaction to the flak from the St Mirren debacle or whether the new signings have instilled us with the ability to kick on and finish the season strongly.

A lame display on Saturday and we're probably looking at keeping away from 11th place rather than getting back into the top six.

I'm quietly hopeful, though, that we could kick on from last weekend's feel-good display.

[Brightside]

Would be interesting to know if those targets are part of the KPIs of the manager. If so then coming nowhere close in each of those splits is pretty damning.

Could you imagine how daft it would be to have KPIs over such short periods. He doesnt work in a canning factory.

[Pretty Boy]

Would be interesting to know if those targets are part of the KPIs of the manager. If so then coming nowhere close in each of those splits is pretty damning.

I'd doubt it.

I think it's more likely because that is broadly what would be required for 3rd given it's usually 60+ points you need to achieve that finish, get close to that pre split and you give yourself a real chance. I would imagine final league position and the season as a whole are more important when deciding a managers future.

[MrSmith]

What we want and which hibs turns up, is the question. I want all points and to knock the the thes out of the cup. Sorry if I'm being greedy but we need to do it. 15 points and into the next round of the SC.

[DIXIHIBS]

2 wins, 2 draws and 1 loss in league and knock the Huns out the cup...am I doing this right?

[Hibeesdaft16]

Aberdeen (A) Draw
Dundee (H) Win
Hearts (A) Lose
Ross County (H) Win
Rangers (H) (Scottish Cup) Lose
Ross County (A) Draw.

8 points, miles behind Killie and St Mirren and out the cup. Depends on the other teams to see if we make top 6. Even the two wins I'm not confident in.

[matty_f]

I think we'll have a better idea after the Aberdeen game whether the upturn in performance over the last couple of games was a just a short-term reaction to the flak from the St Mirren debacle or whether the new signings have instilled us with the ability to kick on and finish the season strongly.

A lame display on Saturday and we're probably looking at keeping away from 11th place rather than getting back into the top six.

I'm quietly hopeful, though, that we could kick on from last weekend's feel-good display.

I think Saturday's massive, really - I agree with you about it being a bit of a marker as to where we are after a good performance at the weekend, but I think for the players that's the case as well, and a win - with a good performance - on Saturday will probably give them the boost that they need to kick on for the season as well.

[WhileTheChief..]

Never stopped you before. :cb

What’s your problem??

[Chipper1875]

Aberdeen (A) Draw
Dundee (H) Win
Hearts (A) Lose
Ross County (H) Win
Rangers (H) (Scottish Cup) Lose
Ross County (A) Draw.

8 points, miles behind Killie and St Mirren and out the cup. Depends on the other teams to see if we make top 6. Even the two wins I'm not confident in.
If that’s broadly the results and we don’t make top 6. Be hard for Nick to keep his job.

[Torto7]

We've got:

Aberdeen (A) D
Dundee (H) L
Hearts (A) D
Ross County (H) W
Rangers (H) (Scottish Cup) W
Ross County (A) D

6PTS and a cup win for me.

[Sparrows tongue]

:agree::agree:

Post what could realistically happen be called a bed wetter and get hounded upon plus be accused of being a troll.

Yes, it's kind of off-putting, isn't it?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Could you imagine how daft it would be to have KPIs over such short periods. He doesnt work in a canning factory.

I more meant if they’re numerous different KPIs as opposed to just ‘finishing top 4’ as the only KPI, not so much that they’d be reviewed after failing one of them and you’re out the door. Breaking it down into the 3 sections makes it easier to constantly monitor the performance than it would be if you just have a KPI of ‘top 4 at the end of the season’.

By all accounts failing in a/all KPIs never stopped us letting LJ keep his job if the top 4 and both cup semi finals was the target as some claimed.

[Sparrows tongue]

Aberdeen (A) Draw
Dundee (H) Win
Hearts (A) Lose
Ross County (H) Win
Rangers (H) (Scottish Cup) Lose
Ross County (A) Draw.

8 points, miles behind Killie and St Mirren and out the cup. Depends on the other teams to see if we make top 6. Even the two wins I'm not confident in.

Well, you'll certainly never be called a happy clapper, will you?

Jings, have a wee bit more faith, man. :rolleyes:

[Paulie Walnuts]

Well, you'll certainly never be called a happy clapper, will you?

Jings, have a wee bit more faith, man. :rolleyes:

8 points would be considerably better than our PPG from throughout the season. It would be almost 40% better than our PPG under NM. If anything it could be suggested the evidence we have says it’s an optimistic take on things.

[eastmainsmsh]

Capable of results in these games there’s pace and goals in squad if playing right formation hopefully Monty can get things going

[Hibernian Verse]

The last time Hearts were on a ridiculous run I remember Boozy scoring and ending that run.

[Billy Whizz]

The cup tie will look after itself, but we can’t be losing more points than gained against Aberdeen and Dundee, as they will be both 6 pointers

[Mikey_1875]

Aberdeen (A) Draw
Dundee (H) Win
Hearts (A) Lose
Ross County (H) Win
Rangers (H) (Scottish Cup) Lose
Ross County (A) Draw.

8 points, miles behind Killie and St Mirren and out the cup. Depends on the other teams to see if we make top 6. Even the two wins I'm not confident in.

I think that’s pretty close to what I would go for. Probably chuck a draw on in the derby.

The most concerning part is that even with a half decent return in these games we could still be a bit off the pace in terms of European positions. We do have 3 out of 4 favourable fixtures after these 6 games until the split so we could also make up points there. I think it will go down to the wire as it has done the last couple of seasons for top 6 and then Europe.

It will be a shame if a decent return from now till the split is undone by our poor first half of the season. It would leave us in a tricky position regarding NM as he will have ultimately failed albeit with signs of progress in the latter half.

[SHODAN]

Aberdeen (A) Loss
Dundee (H) Win
Hearts (A) Loss
Ross County (H) Win
Rangers (H) (Scottish Cup) Loss
Ross County (A) Draw

7 points.

[MikeyS]

Aberdeen (A) Loss
Dundee (H) Win
Hearts (A) Loss
Ross County (H) Win
Rangers (H) (Scottish Cup) Loss
Ross County (A) Draw

7 points.

Thats how I see it going too. Ironically it will still be an upturn in form despite how depressing the reality will be!

[McGruber]

Aberdeen (A) Draw
Dundee (H) Win
Hearts (A) Lose
Ross County (H) Win
Rangers (H) (Scottish Cup) Lose
Ross County (A) Draw.

8 points, miles behind Killie and St Mirren and out the cup. Depends on the other teams to see if we make top 6. Even the two wins I'm not confident in.

Would predict the same results. Possibly an extra 2 from the second Ross Co game but it is normally difficult to beat the same team twice in quick succession. Think they could pretty much all go either way.

[tonyrougier123]

We’ve had a decent potency last two games due to returning players and new players having an impact,I’d say at least we are giving opponents a harder time just now. However we are most certainly always open to giving goals away.
I think 8points from next five W2 D2 L1 and unfortunately the huns will probably punt us in the cup.

[Just_Jimmy]

Aberdeen (A) - lose
Dundee (H) - win
Hearts (A) - loss
Ross County (H) - win
Rangers (H) (Scottish Cup) - loss
Ross County (A) - loss



I'm being optimistic with the two wins and I'd hope we'd get more from County away.

However, I just don't buy into this team or manager at all.

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[Tambo]

Give me 6 before the Derby please, knowing us we will win away at Aberdeen then drop points at home to Dundee.

[B.H.F.C]

Draws against Aberdeen and Hearts. Wins against Dundee and Ross County x2.

Could say we’ll win the cup tie but that would just be blind optimism. In which case, Hibs win.

[HFC93]

In the relegation play off spot

[Brightside]

I more meant if they’re numerous different KPIs as opposed to just ‘finishing top 4’ as the only KPI, not so much that they’d be reviewed after failing one of them and you’re out the door. Breaking it down into the 3 sections makes it easier to constantly monitor the performance than it would be if you just have a KPI of ‘top 4 at the end of the season’.

By all accounts failing in a/all KPIs never stopped us letting LJ keep his job if the top 4 and both cup semi finals was the target as some claimed.

The break down of games is for the team to work on and a few managers have talked about doing that at other teams.

That last bit is the Manager KPI every year. Ben and others confirmed that. But yeh failing a KPI doesnt mean you get sacked. It will be under "Areas for Improvement". Im guessing Monty will have a few of them when next season kicks off. They have a longer plan this time so unless they rip that all up again I fully expect Monty to be here next summer.

[Heisenberg]

I’m certain we are putting the Huns out the cup.

[GreenCastle]

We won 3 in a row in December (Aberdeen home -Killie home and Dundee away) in the league but apart from that we haven’t won 2 league games in a row all season.

[Bakerman]

I'd like to see at least two league wins, prevent hearts from winning, and getting through into the cup against the gers. Its difficult, I normally take each game as they come, and based on the previous game, as momentum is a huge platform. If we can get a result at pittodrie, then we could go on a good run of performances and outcomes.

[Hibs4185]

Quite simply 4 wins out of the next 4.

The calibre of players we have signed should make this achievable.

Aberdeen have been poor - winnable
Dundee home - should always be winnable
Hearts away - it’s a derby, draw most likely but we are due them one
Ross county - winnable

10 points would do the job though

[BILLYHIBS]

Aberdeen (A) Loss
Dundee (H) Win
Hearts (A) Loss
Ross County (H) Win
Rangers (H) (Scottish Cup) Loss
Ross County (A) Draw

7 points.

This

Matches what Brother Beaton gave me 😀

[Hibee Mac]

Realistically I think there is only one spot in the top 6 that is still up for grabs and 5 teams fighting for it.

A depressing place to be at this stage of the season with European group stages going to our nearest rivals and little hope of achieving even a qualifying spot for Europe next season. Get put out the cup and there's not much of a season left to enjoy.

A bit of a glass half empty view on things but realistically given how the last few seasons have gone I think it's the most likely scenario. Scraping top six does not get me excited.

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[brydekirk]

13 points and put the huns out the cup.

[Donegal Hibby]

Aberdeen (A) . Dons have drawn there last two home games and we have drawn our last two away games . DRAW .

Dundee (H) . We beat them 2-1 away and drew at home in a game which we were unlucky not to win . WIN .

Hertz (A) our last meeting at tiny we drew With them 2-2 . DRAW.

Ross county (H) . Last meeting at home we drew 2-2 though should have won . WIN.

Sevco ( H , cup ) . They are on a great run against us and we are massive underdogs though all good runs must come to a end sometime , right ? . EXTRA TIME WIN 3-2 🇳🇬.

Ross county (A ) . Not an easy away trip though got enough firepower to come out on top . WIN .

All hard fixtures though feeling positive after Celtic and Inverness games 👍

[Wilson]

Realistically I think there is only one spot in the top 6 that is still up for grabs and 5 teams fighting for it.

A depressing place to be at this stage of the season with European group stages going to our nearest rivals and little hope of achieving even a qualifying spot for Europe next season. Get put out the cup and there's not much of a season left to enjoy.

A bit of a glass half empty view on things but realistically given how the last few seasons have gone I think it's the most likely scenario. Scraping top six does not get me excited.

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Perfect reason to take one game at a time. We have a good opportunity away to Aberdeen and we should be going for the win. Do that and move on. Winning, on the back of the cup game, and suddenly we're building some momentum.

I wouldn't write anything off - mathematically possible. Let's win away and see where we go from there.

[Chorley Hibee]

Quite simply 4 wins out of the next 4.

The calibre of players we have signed should make this achievable.

Aberdeen have been poor - winnable
Dundee home - should always be winnable
Hearts away - it’s a derby, draw most likely but we are due them one
Ross county - winnable

10 points would do the job though

If Hibs still have designs on top 6, and potentially Europe, then ten points (minimum) is what's required from those 4 games.

I can't say I'm confident that will be the outcome.

[matty_f]

Aberdeen (A) . Dons have drawn there last two home games and we have drawn our last two away games . DRAW .

Dundee (H) . We beat them 2-1 away and drew at home in a game which we were unlucky not to win . WIN .

Hertz (A) our last meeting at tiny we drew With them 2-2 . DRAW.

Ross county (H) . Last meeting at home we drew 2-2 though should have won . WIN.

Sevco ( H , cup ) . They are on a great run against us and we are massive underdogs though all good runs must come to a end sometime , right ? . EXTRA TIME WIN 3-2 🇳🇬.

Ross county (A ) . Not an easy away trip though got enough firepower to come out on top . WIN .

All hard fixtures though feeling positive after Celtic and Inverness games 👍


Love your optimism and your logic, I think all of the games are really hard to call - other than Ross County where we are clear favourites.

Genuinely think we're as likely to lose these games as we are to win them. We could be in a really good position come the end of them, or really worrying about how the rest of the season goes.

[B.H.F.C]

Realistically I think there is only one spot in the top 6 that is still up for grabs and 5 teams fighting for it.

A depressing place to be at this stage of the season with European group stages going to our nearest rivals and little hope of achieving even a qualifying spot for Europe next season. Get put out the cup and there's not much of a season left to enjoy.

A bit of a glass half empty view on things but realistically given how the last few seasons have gone I think it's the most likely scenario. Scraping top six does not get me excited.

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I’d disagree with that first bit.

We obviously need to start winning some games sharpish but I don’t think it would take too much for things to look a fair bit different. It never does in this league, 2 or 3 wins can totally transform things. You’re going to have teams around you playing each other and cutting each other’s throats so you’re going to have plenty opportunities to gain points on those around and above you. Game in hand on Killie and St Mirren as well.

It’s all about us actually getting the finger out and winning a decent number of games between now and the split though.

[HFC 0-7]

9 points. Can’t see us getting anything from Aberdeen or hearts. For some reason though, I think we can beat Rangers for some weird reason!

[Musselbound]

We've drawn to many games all season and I don't see that changing much. But in fact most teams in the league could say the same as outwith the top 3, St Mirren are the only team who have managed to win or lose games rather than drawing them.

This shows there is little between the teams and I just can't see is going on the sort of run that will be needed to finish 4th or 5th. Most likely we will be in a sort of mini league with Aberdeen, Dundee and possibly Motherwell for 6th. It will be tough enough to finish top of that.

I think we have a chance in the cup and are maybe due a result against Rangers. Mind you I've thought that before and been wrong. We'll also be up against the officials so it's a tall order. Still at least it's at home and I don't mind the draw as I think we have a better chance of beating them at ER than Ibrox or Hampden...Even if recent stats don't bear that out.

[Keepthefaith]

It's interesting reading folk saying we won't do well in the upcoming games based on previous results. Are folk really discounting the massive squad change and returning players?

I think the Celtic game was a good indicator of our potential. Sure it's one game but it was against a good team on the back of an awful result and performance from us and with a lot of negative pressure from the fans.

I personally think the next 2 games are key, as it will either boost or floor us for the season. The way bonnyrigg played gives me hope for a draw at least against Aberdeen and we're more than capable of beating Dundee. Get 4 points there and we go to tynecastle full of belief and ability to win.

[B.H.F.C]

It's interesting reading folk saying we won't do well in the upcoming games based on previous results. Are folk really discounting the massive squad change and returning players?

I think the Celtic game was a good indicator of our potential. Sure it's one game but it was against a good team on the back of an awful result and performance from us and with a lot of negative pressure from the fans.

I personally think the next 2 games are key, as it will either boost or floor us for the season. The way bonnyrigg played gives me hope for a draw at least against Aberdeen and we're more than capable of beating Dundee. Get 4 points there and we go to tynecastle full of belief and ability to win.

We shouldn’t be just hoping for a draw against Aberdeen. They’re garbage, we need to be looking to win.

[Keepthefaith]

We shouldn’t be just hoping for a draw against Aberdeen. They’re garbage, we need to be looking to win.

Ermm I did say a draw at least??

[wookie70]

It feels like a season that is about preparing for next year. The important thing is for the manager to keep his job and build a squad. He made a big step changing systems and that has given him some leeway

[Wilson]

It feels like a season that is about preparing for next year. The important thing is for the manager to keep his job and build a squad. He made a big step changing systems and that has given him some leeway

No. We are in the midst of battle. Progress starts now and continues next year. The manager keeps his job if performances and results head the right way.

Backing him is one thing but too many games like the St Mirren one would make his position untenable.

I'm hopeful we're on the right track now though.

[Tommy75]

I more meant if they’re numerous different KPIs as opposed to just ‘finishing top 4’ as the only KPI, not so much that they’d be reviewed after failing one of them and you’re out the door. Breaking it down into the 3 sections makes it easier to constantly monitor the performance than it would be if you just have a KPI of ‘top 4 at the end of the season’.

By all accounts failing in a/all KPIs never stopped us letting LJ keep his job if the top 4 and both cup semi finals was the target as some claimed.

Seems a bit pointless breaking the pre-split games up in to three parts if not used as KPIs or something similar. Might as well just say the pre-split target is 60 points.

[He's here!]

If that’s broadly the results and we don’t make top 6. Be hard for Nick to keep his job.

I don't think failure to make the top six would necessarily cost him his job. If we end up just scraping clear of relegation then yes you'd be hard pushed to claim he deserved to stay, but if we just fall short of the top six on the back of some promising displays I think he'd be safe for next season.

It would be a stretch to imagine we can finish any higher than 6th anyway, which is arguably not really worth getting too worried about as it would give us nothing other than a bit of extra cash. If we get turned over in the next derby it might also be no bad thing to spare ourselves another game against Hearts!

[B.H.F.C]

I don't think failure to make the top six would necessarily cost him his job. If we end up just scraping clear of relegation then yes you'd be hard pushed to claim he deserved to stay, but if we just fall short of the top six on the back of some promising displays I think he'd be safe for next season.

It would be a stretch to imagine we can finish any higher than 6th anyway, which is arguably not really worth getting too worried about as it would give us nothing other than a bit of extra cash. If we get turned over in the next derby it might also be no bad thing to spare ourselves another game against Hearts!

Based on our recent accounts, a bit of extra cash is pretty important.

And I’d much rather have another derby than be playing against Motherwell in front of about 6000 folk.

[matty_f]

Based on our recent accounts, a bit of extra cash is pretty important.

And I’d much rather have another derby than be playing against Motherwell in front of about 6000 folk.

:agree: another derby at Easter Rd as well, would definitely want that.

I am hoping the players and management at the club aren't so calm about getting top six or not, it's a huge setback if we don't get it for a number of reasons.

[He's here!]

:agree: another derby at Easter Rd as well, would definitely want that.

I am hoping the players and management at the club aren't so calm about getting top six or not, it's a huge setback if we don't get it for a number of reasons.

I wouldn't say I'm 'calm' about not making it, but we're running out of games and when you look at the fixture list, the league table as it stands and the fact that four of the current bottom six are all still in with a strong shout of top six the odds are probably against us. We've brought it on ourselves of course with a largely dreadful season but fingers crossed we've got enough about us post-transfer window to at least give it a good go. To fail to make a fight of it would be dispiriting in the extreme.

[Keepthefaith]

the draw wasn't bad for us tonight. get something v the dons, we then have home games coming up vs Dundee, livi, ross county, st Johnstone before the break. 4 wins and a draw out of those fixtures puts us in a strong position and I do expect us to get a win away at ross county. hearts game who knows what will happen, but getting the 2-2 draw there shows us that the team can cope with the pressure...other away games are Motherwell and the rangers. Aberdeen and Dundee have to play each other twice more, Dundee have both rangers and Celtic on top of that too.

what I do know is once you put in a performance like that against Celtic there is no excuse no to repeat it in every game after. I fully expect us to turn the tide, it will be tight for sure, but we have enough to get top 6 and then push on post break.

[Nicho87]

Must beat Aberdeen on Saturday

We are simply running out of games

The st Mirren home match was ridiculous and massively set us back in terms of points

10 points of killie in fourth

I think we will miss out on Europe but may scrape into top six

How ****

[PHeffernan]

We need at least a draw with top 6 rivals Aberdeen on Saturday so as not to give them an advantage and dump us into 9th. Right now I would settle for that draw.

Dundee we must beat at home

Hearts are home and hosed in 3rd so we should be going for a win against them rather than trying to share the points. If we lose trying to win, so be it.

Ross County we must beat at home and away

The Rangers Scottish Cup tie will take care of itself. Our chances are greatly improved by the 1, 2 of home advantage and them playing a last 16 European game 3 days earlier in which they will have to play at their limit.

So 10 points with a, where the chips may fall, Hearts chaser.

[Wilson]

Must beat Aberdeen on Saturday

We are simply running out of games

The st Mirren home match was ridiculous and massively set us back in terms of points

10 points of killie in fourth

I think we will miss out on Europe but may scrape into top six

How ****

Celtic will beat Killie at the weekend. Plus we have a game in hand.

We just need to follow up two positive performances with a win at Aberdeen. Then things get interesting.

One game at a time. Let's go.

[Crazyhorse]

Must beat Aberdeen on Saturday

We are simply running out of games

The st Mirren home match was ridiculous and massively set us back in terms of points

10 points of killie in fourth

I think we will miss out on Europe but may scrape into top six

How ****

I’m hoping we can make the top 6 by the end of the season.
Where will we be after the next 6 games?
I fear not much further forward but hopefully the management team are thinking about what needs to be put in place for next season.
A big increase in investment in the team will be key - I just hope Monty has a clear strategy for building a squad which will compete for a top four place.

[Bakerman]

It feels like a season that is about preparing for next year. The important thing is for the manager to keep his job and build a squad. He made a big step changing systems and that has given him some leeway

I'm with you on this. The benefits of it too, are that the players know this, and should be prepared to fight to keep themselves at Easter Road. There are going to be changes anyway, but look at Obita for example, has excelled recently, Miller looked good against Celtic, Youan worked hard. It will be a tough game in Aberdeen on Saturday, it normally always is, but as like against Celtic, as long as we engage, and take the game to Aberdeen, anything is possible. Of course, I'd like to make the top six, bring the jambos to ER and turn the smug, entitled, cardigan wearing brigade over. The last two games have brought renewed optimism, long may it continue. Bring on the Dandys.

[Col2]

I think the next six games are absolutely crucial to the season. We have very little margin for error now and need to be getting wins on the board. Draws are not going to be much use unless it's a point gained in a game we're not expecting to win.

We've got:

Aberdeen (A)
Dundee (H)
Hearts (A)
Ross County (H)
Rangers (H) (Scottish Cup)
Ross County (A)

For me, I think we need to be taking 10 points minimum from the 5 league games. I think we'll lose in the cup, but if we're in good form going into that game I wouldn't be that surprised to see us turn up against Rangers, particularly if they've had a European game in the midweek.

Anything less than 10 points and I think we're in real danger of missing out on top 6, obviously depending on how other teams around us do. The next three games are all very hard to call, definitely 'could go either way' fixtures, and other than Ross County, there are none there where we're clear favourites based on form this season.

Totally agree. For me the next game at Aberdeen is crucial for so many reasons. We are desperate for 3 points, against a rival and would build on a little momentum we have. Win and we can build on this with a win against Dundee and go into derby in good shape. Lose at Aberdeen and we are really up against it.

I think 10 points is on the high side of optimistic but it’s what we need minimum. I don’t think we will win at Hearts regardless of form as we know the script. The cup game is massive. We are in theory 3 cup wins away from group stage Europe qualifying regardless of league position.

[coldingham hibs]

I think we will get maybe 4-5 points, and be in 10th place. Hopefully we will get a few more and be 8th but I just can’t see it.

[Steve20]

It feels like a season that is about preparing for next year. The important thing is for the manager to keep his job and build a squad. He made a big step changing systems and that has given him some leeway

Seems like a lot of years are hoping 'next season' is better. If we're serious about building a squad to challenge for top 3 and cups, then there can't be many short term loans in the summer. Build a team and not constant sticker plasters.

He has some leeway, but that goes if we don't win many of our next lot of games. If we're not going to win against so called lesser teams, we better start beating the likes of Hearts, Rangers or Aberdeen.

[Nicho87]

My ultimate concern is this gets played as a transitional season

Monty will bring in new players over the summer if still here

Reverts back to his trusted 4-4-2, fails again and sacked by October, then next season is classed as another transitional season.

If we’re sticking with him he has to be sticking to be flexible with formations.

[Since452]

I think the next six games are absolutely crucial to the season. We have very little margin for error now and need to be getting wins on the board. Draws are not going to be much use unless it's a point gained in a game we're not expecting to win.

We've got:

Aberdeen (A)
Dundee (H)
Hearts (A)
Ross County (H)
Rangers (H) (Scottish Cup)
Ross County (A)

For me, I think we need to be taking 10 points minimum from the 5 league games. I think we'll lose in the cup, but if we're in good form going into that game I wouldn't be that surprised to see us turn up against Rangers, particularly if they've had a European game in the midweek.

Anything less than 10 points and I think we're in real danger of missing out on top 6, obviously depending on how other teams around us do. The next three games are all very hard to call, definitely 'could go either way' fixtures, and other than Ross County, there are none there where we're clear favourites based on form this season.

7 points and a valiant cup exit.

[Not In The Know]

:agree: another derby at Easter Rd as well, would definitely want that.

I am hoping the players and management at the club aren't so calm about getting top six or not, it's a huge setback if we don't get it for a number of reasons.

its just embarrassing if we don’t.

[Not In The Know]

We need at least a draw with top 6 rivals Aberdeen on Saturday so as not to give them an advantage and dump us into 9th. Right now I would settle for that draw.

Dundee we must beat at home

Hearts are home and hosed in 3rd so we should be going for a win against them rather than trying to share the points. If we lose trying to win, so be it.

Ross County we must beat at home and away

The Rangers Scottish Cup tie will take care of itself. Our chances are greatly improved by the 1, 2 of home advantage and them playing a last 16 European game 3 days earlier in which they will have to play at their limit.


So 10 points with a, where the chips may fall, Hearts chaser.


Do we know if the huns will be away on the Thursday before the cup tie. That would be preferable!

[RIP]

For years I've been yearning for an experienced and settled team. With all the recent changes and loanees we are absolutely miles off that.

Our rivals haven't changed their lineups much over the transfer window. So they will be looking at us as a three pointer. And given our form over the past eight weeks, who can blame them?

I'd bet on 10th at the split and then unbeaten in our last 5. 7th at the end of the season.

Use the Foley money to offer permanent deals to Fish, Marcondes and Myziane. And any other loanee who impresses.

Start next season with a settled squad.

[Alex Trager]

I’m going for 15 points, a cup semi.

Hearts out the cup and within 7 points distance.

[southern hibby]

I actually think we will put a run together especially as the new boys gel. I’m also hoping that we can get to a semi final too however that’s a big ask especially with the way they’re playing.

Top 6 has to be the minimum we can aim for and we should as long as we have points to be chasing aiming for Europe.

GGTTH

[Centre Hawf]

My ultimate concern is this gets played as a transitional season

Monty will bring in new players over the summer if still here

Reverts back to his trusted 4-4-2, fails again and sacked by October, then next season is classed as another transitional season.

If we’re sticking with him he has to be sticking to be flexible with formations.

I'm starting to get sick of hearing this about our seasons whenever we've inevitably screwed the pooch on our start to the season. I'm sure if we look back at this time the last two season prior as well we'll have probably said the same about 'preparing for next year' under Maloney so he could get his own players in, and then Lee Johnson so he could get rid of the deadwood and get his guys in.

Top 6 is a must this season. No ifs or buts.

[Chipper1875]

I'm starting to get sick of hearing this about our seasons whenever we've inevitably screwed the pooch on our start to the season. I'm sure if we look back at this time the last two season prior as well we'll have probably said the same about 'preparing for next year' under Maloney so he could get his own players in, and then Lee Johnson so he could get rid of the deadwood and get his guys in.

Top 6 is a must this season. No ifs or buts.

Correct. At the end of last season when got an update from our Chairman Malcolm McPherson saying it was a transitional season . We don’t need another one .

[Since452]

Correct. At the end of last season when got an update from our Chairman Malcolm McPherson saying it was a transitional season . We don’t need another one .

:agree: Our transitional period should be pre season. It's just a pish excuse for failing.

[Chipper1875]

:agree: Our transitional period should be pre season. It's just a pish excuse for failing.

Perhaps they should be giving us a partial refund of our season ticket…. Didn’t sign up for transitional season

[superfurryhibby]

I'm feeling more hopeful than before the Celtic match.

The remainder of the season could go either way in, nothing would surprise me, but I really hope NM can blend these players and change the course of this campaign. There's still a lot to play for and if our manager want's to remain our manager, he needs improvement, starting this weekend.

We've got options, players back from abroad or back from injury and the new guys have shown promise. Time to climb the table Hibs.

[Saint Hibee]

It feels like a season that is about preparing for next year. The important thing is for the manager to keep his job and build a squad. He made a big step changing systems and that has given him some leeway

Every season these days seems to feel like a "transitional" season preparing for next year ...

[Tambo]

6th with some distance closed on 5th and 4th would be great, two decent games coming up for a chance of some points on the board.

[Keith_M]

We're only 3 points behind Dundee. who are in 6th place, and have nine games until the split..

With the number of new signings, players returning from injury and (finally) the variation in our setup, there's no good reason for us to be finishing in the bottom six.

[greenlex]

I think the next six games are absolutely crucial to the season. We have very little margin for error now and need to be getting wins on the board. Draws are not going to be much use unless it's a point gained in a game we're not expecting to win.

We've got:

Aberdeen (A)
Dundee (H)
Hearts (A)
Ross County (H)
Rangers (H) (Scottish Cup)
Ross County (A)

For me, I think we need to be taking 10 points minimum from the 5 league games. I think we'll lose in the cup, but if we're in good form going into that game I wouldn't be that surprised to see us turn up against Rangers, particularly if they've had a European game in the midweek.

Anything less than 10 points and I think we're in real danger of missing out on top 6, obviously depending on how other teams around us do. The next three games are all very hard to call, definitely 'could go either way' fixtures, and other than Ross County, there are none there where we're clear favourites based on form this season.
So far so good Matty. Other results have gone our way too. :thumbsup:

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

So far so good Matty. Other results have gone our way too. :thumbsup:

Could have been 12pts if we got a pen at Aberdeen and then the Hearts dive cost is too. Those extra 4 points would have us 3 behind Killie and 4 behind St Mirren, with a game in hand.

We’d also be 5 ahead of Dundee instead of just 1 point too.

Just how costly will those decisions be in a few games time.

[matty_f]

Could have been 12pts if we got a pen at Aberdeen and then the Hearts dive cost is too. Those extra 4 points would have us 3 behind Killie and 4 behind St Mirren, with a game in hand.

We’d also be 5 ahead of Dundee instead of just 1 point too.

Just how costly will those decisions be in a few games time.

I know every team will point to bad refereeing decisions that have gone against them but we have had some really significant ones this season either going against us or not given for us.

These are calls that will potentially cost the club hundreds of thousands of pounds, as well as league placings.

[Kato]

I know every team will point to bad refereeing decisions that have gone against them but we have had some really significant ones this season either going against us or not given for us.

These are calls that will potentially cost the club hundreds of thousands of pounds, as well as league placings.Someone said on Saturday that VAR has never stopped the game to award Hibs a penalty. Dunno if that is true or not.

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[Keith_M]

Someone said on Saturday that VAR has never stopped the game to award Hibs a penalty. Dunno if that is true or not.

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We've been awarded 3 penalties so far this season, so I doubt it.


Just for comparison, penalties awarded:

Celtc: 13
Der Hun: 12
St Mirren: 9
Hearts: 7
Livi: 7

[Kato]

We've been awarded 3 penalties so far this season, so I doubt it.


Just for comparison, penalties awarded:

Celtc: 13
Der Hun: 12
St Mirren: 9
Hearts: 7
Livi: 7Yes, but were those pens given by the ref on the pitch or did VAR interupt the proceedings to give us any of those.

Just asking, btw, it wasn't my assertion.

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[greenlex]

Yes, but were those pens given by the ref on the pitch or did VAR interupt the proceedings to give us any of those.

Just asking, btw, it wasn't my assertion.

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I don’t think we have. I’d also go as far as to say there hasn’t even been a potential one checked before last weekends game and I’m being serious when I say that.

[Keepthefaith]

To get the thread back on track, we really should be looking at 10 points from the remaining fixtures. Rangers away league game will depend on how our confidence is after the cup game. Assuming we take nothing ( and that's not to say I don't think we're capable) then 10 points from ross county, living, st Johnston and motherwell should be very doable and see us ease into top 6 and pull back on st mirren and killie

[Dashing Bob S]

To get the thread back on track, we really should be looking at 10 points from the remaining fixtures. Rangers away league game will depend on how our confidence is after the cup game. Assuming we take nothing ( and that's not to say I don't think we're capable) then 10 points from ross county, living, st Johnston and motherwell should be very doable and see us ease into top 6 and pull back on st mirren and killie

My guess is we'll be within touching distance of St Mirren and Kilmarnock before the split, and depending on the fixtures, will pass either one or (hopefully) both by the end of the season.

[IberianHibernian]

To get the thread back on track, we really should be looking at 10 points from the remaining fixtures. Rangers away league game will depend on how our confidence is after the cup game. Assuming we take nothing ( and that's not to say I don't think we're capable) then 10 points from ross county, living, st Johnston and motherwell should be very doable and see us ease into top 6 and pull back on st mirren and killie10 points from the 4 games you mention is definitely doable ( as is 12 points ) but I think pretty optimistic . RC in Dingwall is never easy and coming 3 days after a tough cup tie for us even more so , Livi and St J at home we`d hope to win but doubt people would be surprised if we don`t and we certainly don`t want to go to Motherwell needing to win or even draw to make top 6 especially as Motherwell will probably be our main rivals for top 6 . This is all assuming club and players are desperate to make top 6 and challenge for Europe . Last season we scraped into the top 6 after an apathetic draw in Perth and other results went our way . Hopefully there`ll be more urgency this season even if we`re still in cup after next week .

[cubehindthegoal]

I know every team will point to bad refereeing decisions that have gone against them but we have had some really significant ones this season either going against us or not given for us.

These are calls that will potentially cost the club hundreds of thousands of pounds, as well as league placings.

Yes, and not just the ones recently … there were a fair few before. It all piles up and has an effect .. but then that’s the intention. But no doubt someone will pop up with the old paranoia quotes soon enough, regardless of the mounting evidence 🙄

[Eyrie]

Yes, and not just the ones recently … there were a fair few before. It all piles up and has an effect .. but then that’s the intention. But no doubt someone will pop up with the old paranoia quotes soon enough, regardless of the mounting evidence 🙄

Are you paranoid when the illegitimates in black really are out to get you?

[Tyler Durden]

Someone said on Saturday that VAR has never stopped the game to award Hibs a penalty. Dunno if that is true or not.

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Nah don’t think that’s true.

Home game against maybe St Mirren last season when Cadden shot and a defender hand balled it. Also McKirdy shot away to Aberdeen after the split where it’s deflected onto the post, penalty given and Nisbet missed it.

We’ve been shafted plenty of times but we’ve had a few calls

[Kato]

Nah don’t think that’s true.

Home game against maybe St Mirren last season when Cadden shot and a defender hand balled it. Also McKirdy shot away to Aberdeen after the split where it’s deflected onto the post, penalty given and Nisbet missed it.

We’ve been shafted plenty of times but we’ve had a few callsYeah you're right on those two. Both from last season.

Is two, a few? [emoji6]

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[007]

Yeah you're right on those two. Both from last season.

Is two, a few? [emoji6]

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It's too few. 🙂

[Kato]

It's too few. [emoji846]Hehe

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