Kevin Nisbet

[Frazerbob]

Out of contention for the Euros after suffering a ‘significant hamstring injury’. That laddie has had nae luck. Feel for him.

[Since90+2]

Out of contention for the Euros after suffering a ‘significant hamstring injury’. That laddie has had nae luck. Feel for him.

Shame for the boy to get injured but unless he had a miraculous up turn on form in the next 3 months don't think he was going to Germany anyway.

[Itsnoteasy]

Out of contention for the Euros after suffering a ‘significant hamstring injury’. That laddie has had nae luck. Feel for him.

5 goals in 26 matches. Shankland is at the front of that queue

[Hibee Mac]

Yeh agree, he wasn't going to Germany anyway, or if he was it is unlikely he was going to get any game time.

Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk

[Hibeesdaft16]

Huge blow for Nizzie, he seems pretty prone to these injuries now. Hopefully he's picking up a big wedge down south atm. I still feel at his best he was a better forward than shankland.

[Hibeesdaft16]

5 goals in 26 matches. Shankland is at the front of that queue

In a much harder league than our league and with a lot more competition for places at his club too.

[Itsnoteasy]

In a much harder league than our league and with a lot more competition for places at his club too.

Our leagues that easy, how many strikers outside old firm have banged in 20+ goals in a season in the past 10 years.

[Glory Lurker]

If Shankland isn't singing FoS on 14/06, I'll eat a bath of beans*

*- unless he was out because of injury.

[Hibeesdaft16]

Our leagues that easy, how many strikers outside old firm have banged in 20+ goals in a season in the past 10 years.

The standard of the league has went downhill over the past 10 years in comparison to others. Van Veen done it last season and couldn't get a game for Groningen in the Dutch reserve league.

[Glory Lurker]

The standard of the league has went downhill over the past 10 years in comparison to others. Van Veen done it last season and couldn't get a game for Groningen in the Dutch reserve league.

I think our league does alright compared to the Swiss and Hungarian leagues. They're the key matches. Fancy we'll get a result opening night which means our problem will be staying focused on two wins.

[SteveHFC]

If Shankland isn't singing FoS on 14/06, I'll eat a bath of beans*

*- unless he was out because of injury.

Have this fear Clarke will pick Jacob Brown over him. Shankland should be one of the first names in the squad for the Euro's.

[Hibeesdaft16]

I think our league does alright compared to the Swiss and Hungarian leagues. They're the key matches. Fancy we'll get a result opening night which means our problem will be staying focused on two wins.

True that. I don't think there will be many SPL based players in the starting team to play they games though tbh, maybe 2 at a push and one wont be shankland. Good option to come off the bench if needing a goal mind you.

[Glory Lurker]

Have this fear Clarke will pick Jacob Brown over him. Shankland should be one of the first names in the squad for the Euro's.

Don't think that's how it will go at all.

I say this not knowing you at all, and at risk of getting tarred and feathered, but mind when John Robertson was tearing it up and couldn't get a game for love nor money? (If you're as old as me 😬). It was mad he wasn't getting picked. Played a small amount of games eventually with a good return but got dropped again. I thought that was wrong at the time. shankland's knocking them in. Clarke believes in our league. Nowhere else has Scots scoring as much. Shankland starts.

But **** the hearts.

[Hibeesdaft16]

Don't think that's how it will go at all.

I say this not knowing you at all, and at risk of getting tarred and feathered, but mind when John Robertson was tearing it up and couldn't get a game for love nor money? (If you're as old as me 😬). It was mad he wasn't getting picked. Played a small amount of games eventually with a good return but got dropped again. I thought that was wrong at the time. shankland's knocking them in. Clarke believes in our league. Nowhere else has Scots scoring as much. Shankland starts.

But **** the hearts.

Mccoist was better than Robbo though?

[Forza Fred]

I think our league does alright compared to the Swiss and Hungarian leagues. They're the key matches. Fancy we'll get a result opening night which means our problem will be staying focused on two wins.

Would agree with that logic if it we were talking about inter league games, but we’re not.

I have no idea how many players from Switzerland and Hungary play in other countries, but I’d hazard a guess there’s a fair few.

[HoboHarry]

Mccoist was better than Robbo though?
McCoist eventually came in at 21st but he was nominated for the Ballon d'Or in 1987, wee Robbo was nowhere near that level.

[Yorkshire HFC]

McCoist eventually came in at 21st but he was nominated for the Ballon d'Or in 1987, wee Robbo was nowhere near that level.

That is bad luck for Nisbet if true - I liked him at Hibs.

The question for me though, is why did Hibs have to sell Nisbet while Hearts can keep hold of Shankland?

All this talk about managers, DOF etc. - I feel that most of the critisism of these people is unfair - but one of their most important jobs is to keep hold of good players - which they don't seem capable of doing. Hearts have always seemed better at this than Hibs - and it's always been a big failing. Good players seem to leave Hibs as soon as they can - which is why we continually have to gamble of new signings, which usually don't work out.

[Since90+2]

That is bad luck for Nisbet if true - I liked him at Hibs.

The question for me though, is why did Hibs have to sell Nisbet while Hearts can keep hold of Shankland?

All this talk about managers, DOF etc. - I feel that most of the critisism of these people is unfair - but one of their most important jobs is to keep hold of good players - which they don't seem capable of doing. Hearts have always seemed better at this than Hibs - and it's always been a big failing. Good players seem to leave Hibs as soon as they can - which is why we continually have to gamble of new signings, which usually don't work out.

Nisbet was at Hibs for 3 seasons. If Shankland goes in the summer, quite likely I'd say, he'd have spent 2 seasons at Hearts so we'd have kept Nisbet for longer.

We kept Josh Doig for 2 full seasons, he played 78 games. Aaron Hickey had 1 full season in the Hearts first team and played 33 games.

We kept John McGinn for over 3 years. He played 136 times for us.

Porteuos made his debut in the 2017/2018 season and played 130 games for us. He was in and around the first team for 5 years.

[JimBHibees]

If Shankland isn't singing FoS on 14/06, I'll eat a bath of beans*

*- unless he was out because of injury.

Maybe on the bench beside the other subs

[Yorkshire HFC]

Nisbet was at Hibs for 3 seasons. If Shankland goes in the summer, quite likely I'd say, he'd have spent 2 seasons at Hearts so we'd have kept Nisbet for longer.

We kept Josh Doig for 2 full seasons, he played 78 games. Aaron Hickey had 1 full season in the Hearts first team and played 33 games.

We kept John McGinn for over 3 years. He played 136 times for us.

Porteuos made his debut in the 2017/2018 season and played 130 games for us. He was in and around the first team for 5 years.

Porteous and Nisbet are exactly what this team needs now - what have we done with the money we got for them? Was it a good deal for Hibs to sell them? I don't think so and if I was running Hibs then I wouldn't think I'd done my job very well.

[Since90+2]

Porteous and Nisbet are exactly what this team needs now - what have we done with the money we got for them? Was it a good deal for Hibs to sell them? I don't think so and if I was running Hibs then I wouldn't think I'd done my job very well.

Our whole business model is based on developing players and selling them on for a profit. We had Nisbet and McGinn for 3 full years, Porteuos was in the first team for 5 years.

These players naturally want to move on to bigger platforms and earn significantly more money. The only other option is we offer wages completely out of sync with our revenue streams and that would end up bankrupting the club.

Your suggestion though that Hearts seem to keep good players for longer doesn't seem to stand up to much scrunity.

[Yorkshire HFC]

Our whole business model is based on developing players and selling them on for a profit. We had Nisbet and McGinn for 3 full years, Porteuos was in the first team for 5 years.

These players naturally want to move on to bigger platforms and earn significantly more money. The only other option is we offer wages completely out of sync with our revenue streams and that would end up bankrupting the club.

Your suggestion though that Hearts seem to keep good players for longer doesn't seem to stand up to much scrunity.

Well I just don't think that model works - as it's much better to keep a player that's performing for you than it is to sell him and then gamble away the money that you get for him. What have we done with the Nisbet and Porteous money? While Shankland is still at Hearts and is scoring for them every week.

Ofcourse players want to move on, but Hibs don't seem capable of holding onto good players for very long - a massive management failing for me. Maybe the reason Turnbull had a good team was because he held onto all the good players - if he'd had to replace 3 or 4 of them every year then I doubt it would have worked out for him.

[JimBHibees]

Our whole business model is based on developing players and selling them on for a profit. We had Nisbet and McGinn for 3 full years, Porteuos was in the first team for 5 years.

These players naturally want to move on to bigger platforms and earn significantly more money. The only other option is we offer wages completely out of sync with our revenue streams and that would end up bankrupting the club.

Your suggestion though that Hearts seem to keep good players for longer doesn't seem to stand up to much scrunity.

Not just ours pretty much every team of medium size in the world

[Dalianwanda]

Well I just don't think that model works - as it's much better to keep a player that's performing for you than it is to sell him and then gamble away the money that you get for him. What have we done with the Nisbet and Porteous money? While Shankland is still at Hearts and is scoring for them every week.

Ofcourse players want to move on, but Hibs don't seem capable of holding onto good players for very long - a massive management failing for me. Maybe the reason Turnbull had a good team was because he held onto all the good players - if he'd had to replace 3 or 4 of them every year then I doubt it would have worked out for him.

They didn’t want to stay, do you want to keep players against their will?

[B.H.F.C]

Well I just don't think that model works - as it's much better to keep a player that's performing for you than it is to sell him and then gamble away the money that you get for him. What have we done with the Nisbet and Porteous money? While Shankland is still at Hearts and is scoring for them every week.

Ofcourse players want to move on, but Hibs don't seem capable of holding onto good players for very long - a massive management failing for me. Maybe the reason Turnbull had a good team was because he held onto all the good players - if he'd had to replace 3 or 4 of them every year then I doubt it would have worked out for him.

Think football is slightly different to it was in the 70s.

[Winston Ingram]

That is bad luck for Nisbet if true - I liked him at Hibs.

The question for me though, is why did Hibs have to sell Nisbet while Hearts can keep hold of Shankland?

All this talk about managers, DOF etc. - I feel that most of the critisism of these people is unfair - but one of their most important jobs is to keep hold of good players - which they don't seem capable of doing. Hearts have always seemed better at this than Hibs - and it's always been a big failing. Good players seem to leave Hibs as soon as they can - which is why we continually have to gamble of new signings, which usually don't work out.

Nisbet signed a 4 year deal with us and Shankland signed a 3 year deal with them.

Nisbet had a year left and Shankland has a year left. If players don't sign new deals with a year remaining they get sold. Nisbet was never signing and it doesn't look like Shankland will.

What players have Hearts been better at keeping? I'm struggling to think of any high-value players that they've kept over that last decade or so.

Off the top of my head Souttar and Patterson ran their deals down and left for hee haw. The only 7 figure sales they've had are Osman Sow and Aaron Hickey.

[Billy Whizz]

Boy we could really do with a Nisbet like striker just now
Someone with a bit of fire in their belly, and can’t create a goal out of nothing

[GreenCastle]

Boy we could really do with a Nisbet like striker just now
Someone with a bit of fire in their belly, and can’t create a goal out of nothing

Shankland would be the exact player we need up front to score out of nothing.

Nisbet was fine for Hibs but Shanklands record is more impressive and quite a bit more impressive.

[Jones28]

Boy we could really do with a Nisbet like striker just now
Someone with a bit of fire in their belly, and can’t create a goal out of nothing

Fire in the belly and Kevin Nisbet are two things I don’t think I’ll ever associate with one another.

[Winston Ingram]

Fire in the belly and Kevin Nisbet are two things I don’t think I’ll ever associate with one another.

Plenty if there is a move on the cards, otherwise bang on.

[Heisenberg]

Fire in the belly and Kevin Nisbet are two things I don’t think I’ll ever associate with one another.

If you think he was bad you must hate Dylan Vente.

[Wilson]

Shankland would be the exact player we need up front to score out of nothing.

Nisbet was fine for Hibs but Shanklands record is more impressive and quite a bit more impressive.

His Hearts record is bolstered by 16 in 24 this season. Impressive I suppose but he's not up against much us he? When Nisbet was performing for us pre injury and Shankland could only put penalties away I wouldn't have swapped and we know which one Steve Clarke preferred.

[chrisski33]

Well I just don't think that model works - as it's much better to keep a player that's performing for you than it is to sell him and then gamble away the money that you get for him. What have we done with the Nisbet and Porteous money? While Shankland is still at Hearts and is scoring for them every week.

Ofcourse players want to move on, but Hibs don't seem capable of holding onto good players for very long - a massive management failing for me. Maybe the reason Turnbull had a good team was because he held onto all the good players - if he'd had to replace 3 or 4 of them every year then I doubt it would have worked out for him.

well shankland has turned down 2 contract extensions from them and will be away in the summer.......

[Jones28]

If you think he was bad you must hate Dylan Vente.

I don’t hate either player, and I didn’t say I thought he was bad. Nisbet was fantastic on his day and a petulant, sulking teenager on other days. Fortunately he had more good days for us than bad ones but he will never be someone I’d describe as motivated.

[Heisenberg]

I don’t hate either player, and I didn’t say I thought he was bad. Nisbet was fantastic on his day and a petulant, sulking teenager on other days. Fortunately he had more good days for us than bad ones but he will never be someone I’d describe as motivated.

My point was more around your comment about Nisbet not being motivated or lacking “fire in his belly”. If you thought he was bad for those things you surely can’t think much of Vente for the same reasons? He’s been brutal for ages and looked like he’s wanted to be anywhere else but on the pitch.

[Stevie Reid]

The standard of the league has went downhill over the past 10 years in comparison to others. Van Veen done it last season and couldn't get a game for Groningen in the Dutch reserve league.

Van Veen played 14 time and scored 5 goals. Wanted to come back because his partner was here and about to give birth to their child, not because he wasn’t playing.

[Jones28]

My point was more around your comment about Nisbet not being motivated or lacking “fire in his belly”. If you thought he was bad for those things you surely can’t think much of Vente for the same reasons? He’s been brutal for ages and looked like he’s wanted to be anywhere else but on the pitch.

It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if Vente was demotivated, what with playing out of position for the last 3 months and barely getting a sniff of goal.

He must be thinking wtf am I doing here?

[JimBHibees]

It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if Vente was demotivated, what with playing out of position for the last 3 months and barely getting a sniff of goal.

He must be thinking wtf am I doing here?

Genuinely don't think he has been playing out of position as much as been stated. Loads of time we get wide and he never gets on the end of anything. His hold up play isn't great and he can get bullied. Don't think he deserves a free pass on what he is performing to. Was amazed he didn't start Saturday however wasn't a huge performance when he came on which is the norm at present

[Heisenberg]

It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if Vente was demotivated, what with playing out of position for the last 3 months and barely getting a sniff of goal.

He must be thinking wtf am I doing here?

I’d still like him to be able to hold a ball up without getting shoved off it or generally try and look interested. Looks like we’ve basically signed another Jamie MacLaren, only effective if he gets the ball in the six yard box.

Hopefully if he starts tonight we can see a bit more from him.

[Jones28]

Genuinely don't think he has been playing out of position as much as been stated. Loads of time we get wide and he never gets on the end of anything. His hold up play isn't great and he can get bullied. Don't think he deserves a free pass on what he is performing to. Was amazed he didn't start Saturday however wasn't a huge performance when he came on which is the norm at present

Just like the rest of the team then Jim. There’s a real malaise and lack of confidence around the squad at the moment.

Re the positioning, I think it was quite roundly agreed he was dropping so deep to get involved in the play he wasn’t playing as striker.

Go back and look at Ventes highlight real before he signed for us. He’s a poacher, he’s not a back-to-goal hold up man. He was brought in to put the ball in the net, which he did.

[HibsGW]

Agree with the last 2 posters, whilst Vente has been given rubbish service, he’s also shown pretty much nothing/created nothing himself alongside that so don’t think he can just get a pass without criticism

[Jones28]

Agree with the last 2 posters, whilst Vente has been given rubbish service, he’s also shown pretty much nothing/created nothing himself alongside that so don’t think he can just get a pass without criticism

Nobodies saying he should be criticised.

[HibsGW]

Nobodies saying he should be criticised.

“He must be thinking wtf am i doing here” pretty heavily implies he is no part of any problems

[JimBHibees]

Just like the rest of the team then Jim. There’s a real malaise and lack of confidence around the squad at the moment.

Re the positioning, I think it was quite roundly agreed he was dropping so deep to get involved in the play he wasn’t playing as striker.

Go back and look at Ventes highlight real before he signed for us. He’s a poacher, he’s not a back-to-goal hold up man. He was brought in to put the ball in the net, which he did.

Don't buy he was so deep he couldn't get on the end of anything.

[Jones28]

“He must be thinking wtf am i doing here” pretty heavily implies he is no part of any problems

I didn’t say he isn’t deserving of criticism did I?

I said he must thinking that because he was signed to be a penalty box striker but a change of manager and he’s being asked to do a job that means he can’t get anywhere close to the box.

Criticism wise, bearing in mind he was being asked to a job he is not used to and wasn’t signed for, I would say he isn’t getting in to the box enough and doesn’t seem to have the real “goal from nothing” knack the players like Griffiths or Kamberi had.

Happy?

[Jones28]

Don't buy he was so deep he couldn't get on the end of anything.

Watch him then.

[JimBHibees]

Watch him then.

Ok all i see is him losing the ball not making good runs and not finding space in the box then going off in the huff. Watch the goal Miovski scored against Celtic do you genuinely think Vente could do that

[Paulie Walnuts]

Don't buy he was so deep he couldn't get on the end of anything.

Somebody posted two heat maps of Dylan Vente, one of his time here and one of his time in Dutch football.

He’s so much deeper here it’s ridiculous. One of his hot spots was in our own half.

[Lester B]

Well I just don't think that model works - as it's much better to keep a player that's performing for you than it is to sell him and then gamble away the money that you get for him. What have we done with the Nisbet and Porteous money? While Shankland is still at Hearts and is scoring for them every week.

Ofcourse players want to move on, but Hibs don't seem capable of holding onto good players for very long - a massive management failing for me. Maybe the reason Turnbull had a good team was because he held onto all the good players - if he'd had to replace 3 or 4 of them every year then I doubt it would have worked out for him.

He didn't though. By 1974 5 of the team that won 7-0 in 1973 were already gone.

[Jones28]

Somebody posted two heat maps of Dylan Vente, one of his time here and one of his time in Dutch football.

He’s so much deeper here it’s ridiculous. One of his hot spots was in our own half.

Thank you Stubbsy. It was exactly that heat map that shows how deeply he was playing.

[SHODAN]

Somebody posted two heat maps of Dylan Vente, one of his time here and one of his time in Dutch football.

He’s so much deeper here it’s ridiculous. One of his hot spots was in our own half.

Yeah I don't understand why not one but two managers have decided that a guy we spent a near-record fee on to score goals is being played behind the main striker.

I can't comment on his abilities as a finisher because he's not allowed to have that many shots at goal. It's infuriating.

[Edinburgh Green]

Have this fear Clarke will pick Jacob Brown over him. Shankland should be one of the first names in the squad for the Euro's.

One of the first names? Lol

[Bakerman]

His Hearts record is bolstered by 16 in 24 this season. Impressive I suppose but he's not up against much us he? When Nisbet was performing for us pre injury and Shankland could only put penalties away I wouldn't have swapped and we know which one Steve Clarke preferred.

:agree:

According to their hierarchy, not a single bid came in for Shankland during the transfer window.

[ancient hibee]

:agree:

According to their hierarchy, not a single bid came in for Shankland during the transfer window.

No because clubs that want him will know Hearts will be desperate to sell in the close season.

[Bakerman]

No because clubs that want him will know Hearts will be desperate to sell in the close season.

That's a decent point to make. Think most folk know that he's only interested in signing for one team only.