If you were in charge of picking our manager who would you (realistically) appoint?

[supermcginn]

Roy Keane and Wayne Rooney have been pretty crap managers when given the opportunity. They are only exciting names because the were good players which means nothing in the management world. We need to steer well clear of options like them.

Keane done a great job at Sunderland, got them promoted and won manager of the year.

[Donegal Hibby]

Keane done a great job at Sunderland, got them promoted and won manager of the year.

How did it go after that ?

[Since90+2]

How did it go after that ?

Pretty much every manager we would be looking at would have ups and downs in their career. Either that or they will have little to no experience.

The only manager I can think of who has pretty much been a success, or atleast met expectations, is McInness who has done that for about the last 10 years.

[Paul1642]

Keane done a great job at Sunderland, got them promoted and won manager of the year.

It them went pretty wrong. He also hasn’t managed a team since January 2011. Football management has evolved a lot since then and I don’t for a minute believe Keane has kept with the times, or was even with the times to start with in 2011.

For perspective Jose Moururinho is now considered yesterdays man and he has won two European trophies since Keane last managed a team 😂

[jakeshibs]

Lennon, in the short term.

Then, have a look at how he did with a view to a longer stay.

Hell no!!! he was worse, 8th in the league, playing abysmal and falling further down the table.

[Paul1642]

Hell no!!! he was worse, 8th in the league, playing abysmal and falling further down the table.

I still think he was trying to get sacked so he could get the Celtic job rather than being as incompetent as he was appearing to be.

This is of course 100% worse than managing poorly.

[Keepthefaith]

The post you’ve quoted was in response to mine. A post that is literally nothing but factual.

They also finished third the season before he took over the first team, a time in which he had no involvement with the first team. You’ve conveniently missed that season out.

He took over a decent team, maintained them being a decent team and won what is essentially a mini cup with them where he played a semi final and a final. Deserves to be applauded for it, but it’s far from being unheard of for CCM, who are the 4th most succesful A-League team and far from being a Leicester style achievement.

Theres nothing disingenuous about that. It’s facts.

Except I didn't miss it out. What I said was that he was coaching that season having radically changed their youth set up. My point is that the two of you have INO deliberately misrepresented the facts to make it look like he had little to no impact when the history of the 6 preceding seasons aren't as successful as you allude to. Just felt like you were deliberately seeking to minimize what he's achieved. It's well documented how he got bargains/ young players to believe in themselves surely that's a sign of strong man management?

I'm not saying he's the Messiah, clearly he's got more to learn but jees give a bit of credit where it's due? itaround, but why hound him out 2 games post transfer window?

[Hibee Daft]

I still think he was trying to get sacked so he could get the Celtic job rather than being as incompetent as he was appearing to be.

This is of course 100% worse than managing poorly.

Yeah same, its not that unlikely he was tapped up by celtic.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Except I didn't miss it out. What I said was that he was coaching that season having radically changed their youth set up. My point is that the two of you have INO deliberately misrepresented the facts to make it look like he had little to no impact when the history of the 6 preceding seasons aren't as successful as you allude to. Just felt like you were deliberately seeking to minimize what he's achieved. It's well documented how he got bargains/ young players to believe in themselves surely that's a sign of strong man management?

I'm not saying he's the Messiah, clearly he's got more to learn but jees give a bit of credit where it's due? itaround, but why hound him out 2 games post transfer window?

“ if you look at the 6 seasons before he joined their coaching team, they hadn't finished higher than 8th”.

It’s a bit of a stretch to say that managing a youth team is part of the coaching team of the first team. In fact it’s completely untrue. The season before he was involved with the first team they finished third.

[Donegal Hibby]

Pretty much every manager we would be looking at would have ups and downs in their career. Either that or they will have little to no experience.

The only manager I can think of who has pretty much been a success, or atleast met expectations, is McInness who has done that for about the last 10 years.

Agree that most managers we would be looking at have maybe had ups and downs and probably been sacked at some point too unless we managed to be lucky enough to find another Mowbray or Stubbs of course.

As for Roy Keane he's just a big name because he was a excellent player who played at the highest level just like Wayne Rooney did too , both managerial record's aren't good though Keane has in the past been a disruptive character as both a player and a manager too .

As for McInnes he has had success and done well theres no question about that though he's also had his lows as a manager too and if he was Hibs manager and had one of his lows with the way his teams play there would be calls for his head just like jack Ross got for playing boring football too .

The mention of Roy Keane and even Stephen Kenny on here as possibilities for manager for me is abit like somebody suggesting maybe we should give butcher another chance :worried:

[Hibeesdaft16]

Agree that most managers we would be looking at have maybe had ups and downs and probably been sacked at some point too unless we managed to be lucky enough to find another Mowbray or Stubbs of course.

As for Roy Keane he's just a big name because he was a excellent player who played at the highest level just like Wayne Rooney did too , both managerial record's aren't good though Keane has in the past been a disruptive character as both a player and a manager too .

As for McInnes he has had success and done well theres no question about that though he's also had his lows as a manager too and if he was Hibs manager and had one of his lows with the way his teams play there would be calls for his head just like jack Ross got for playing boring football too .

The mention of Roy Keane and even Stephen Kenny on here as possibilities for manager for me is abit like somebody suggesting maybe we should give butcher another chance :worried:

Roy Keane would have been a better appointment than our last 3 managers for certain.

[TrinityHFC]

Agree that most managers we would be looking at have maybe had ups and downs and probably been sacked at some point too unless we managed to be lucky enough to find another Mowbray or Stubbs of course.

As for Roy Keane he's just a big name because he was a excellent player who played at the highest level just like Wayne Rooney did too , both managerial record's aren't good though Keane has in the past been a disruptive character as both a player and a manager too .

As for McInnes he has had success and done well theres no question about that though he's also had his lows as a manager too and if he was Hibs manager and had one of his lows with the way his teams play there would be calls for his head just like jack Ross got for playing boring football too .

The mention of Roy Keane and even Stephen Kenny on here as possibilities for manager for me is abit like somebody suggesting maybe we should give butcher another chance :worried:

Stubbs had plenty downs. We lost to teams that would be seen on here as sackable offences on their own now. He might have been sacked if it wasn’t for the cup.

[Paul1642]

Roy Keane would have been a better appointment than our last 3 managers for certain.

Disagree.

Monty isn’t done yet, let’s see how it ends.
LJ got us 5th place and European football.
Maloney was poor but at least he left the club in a position where LJ got off on a good footing so didn’t completely ruin things.

I geniality think Keane would have had the potential to leave us in a Butcher style cluster.

[LaMotta]

Roy Keane would have been a better appointment than our last 3 managers for certain.

:agree: He shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Rooney. Rooney is an absolute numpty.

[Jones28]

Disagree.

Monty isn’t done yet, let’s see how it ends.
LJ got us 5th place and European football.
Maloney was poor but at least he left the club in a position where LJ got off on a good footing so didn’t completely ruin things.

I geniality think Keane would have had the potential to leave us in a Butcher style cluster.

He might have, he might have been brilliant.

We’re much closer to Butcher era Hibs than we are to anything else at the moment.

[Hibeesdaft16]

Disagree.

Monty isn’t done yet, let’s see how it ends.
LJ got us 5th place and European football.
Maloney was poor but at least he left the club in a position where LJ got off on a good footing so didn’t completely ruin things.

I geniality think Keane would have had the potential to leave us in a Butcher style cluster.

Monty has been a disaster. We are worse than when he came in to the club, much worse.

5th is no achievement whatsoever. Cups absolutely crap too.

Maloney was a disaster. He was sacked because we failed to reach the top six and left with 5 games to go. LJ got emptied out the league cup to part timers as soon as he started, he never got off on a good footing.

Keane could have went either way, but it couldn't have gone much worse. I think he would have come in and get the best out of the players we have, something the three above have failed to do.

[Paul1642]

Monty has been a disaster. We are worse than when he came in to the club, much worse.

5th is no achievement whatsoever. Cups absolutely crap too.

Maloney was a disaster. He was sacked because we failed to reach the top six and left with 5 games to go. LJ got emptied out the league cup to part timers as soon as he started, he never got off on a good footing.

Keane could have went either way, but it couldn't have gone much worse. I think he would have come in and get the best out of the players we have, something the three above have failed to do.

Maybe you’re right but I do think it could have and would have went worse. Regardless, as you’ve highlighted, couldn’t have done worse than our last 3 managers isn’t really a high bar to set and should not be the bar for the next manager.

I’m yet to see why anyone thinks Keane would be a good manger for us. He was a bit of a nutter and showed passion. There’s a huge amount more required from a manager.

[Hibeesdaft16]

Maybe you’re right but I do think it could have and would have went worse. Regardless, as you’ve highlighted, couldn’t have done worse than our last 3 managers isn’t really a high bar to set and should not be the bar for the next manager.

I’m yet to see why anyone thinks Keane would be a good manger for us. He was a bit of a nutter and showed passion. There’s a huge amount more required from a manager.

He done a fantastic job at Sunderland and took them to the premiership from bottom of the Championship, two of our last four managers failed to get the same club out of league one.

He might not have been a good manager for us, every appointment is a gamble or every club would just appoint a cast iron certainty. He has better credentials than Maloney and Monty though. I'm not sure many managers will be interested in our managerial position who had had teams promoted and managed in the EPL, that's the kind of experience we need as well as a manager with a winning mentality that doesn't settle for 5th being alright in the league and calling games against the bigots free hits.

[Donegal Hibby]

Roy Keane would have been a better appointment than our last 3 managers for certain.

That is something we don't know because Roy Keane has never been our manager and hopefully never will either I might add though going by his managerial record and his temperament it's doubtful, very doubtful imo .

[Hibeesdaft16]

That is something we don't know because Roy Keane has never been our manager and hopefully never will either I might add though going by his managerial record and his temperament it's doubtful, very doubtful imo .

He hasn't no. But he couldn't have done much worse than the last three appointments and based on what I've described on the above posts I feel he would have been a much better appointment than a coach with no managerial experience and someone from the A-league who managed there 18 months. Done a much better job for Sunderland than Lee Johnson also. Ask Sunderland fans who they would rather have as manager on that one. His temperament is exactly what we need, our club is weak, our players crumble when we concede a goal and there's absolutely no confidence in the club. Get someone in that will rustle a few feathers and give them a bloody kick up the arse.

[Paul1642]

He hasn't no. But he couldn't have done much worse than the last three appointments and based on what I've described on the above posts I feel he would have been a much better appointment than a coach with no managerial experience and someone from the A-league who managed there 18 months. Done a much better job for Sunderland than Lee Johnson also. Ask Sunderland fans who they would rather have as manager on that one. His temperament is exactly what we need, our club is weak, our players crumble when we concede a goal and there's absolutely no confidence in the club. Get someone in that will rustle a few feathers and give them a bloody kick up the arse.

It’s not 1980 where running up sand dunes and being shouted and swore at make for a good football team. Roy Keane is an arse who would much more likely cause a players revolt rather than motivate the players to achieve. No club has touched him since January 2011. We need to ask ourselves why that is.

He might have been an initial success at Sunderland but that is largely credited with bringing in ex Manchester United players, an area of knowledge which he no longer has the advantage of. The players are finally reported to have celebrated him leaving the club, not exactly normal behaviour from a happy team.

It’s not a temperamental manager we need, it’s a good one.

[LaMotta]

It’s not 1980 where running up sand dunes and being shouted and swore at make for a good football team. Roy Keane is an arse who would much more likely cause a players revolt rather than motivate the players to achieve. No club has touched him since January 2011. We need to ask ourselves why that is.

He might have been an initial success at Sunderland but that is largely credited with bringing in ex Manchester United players, an area or knowledge which he no longer has the advantage of. The players are finally reported to have celebrated him leaving the club, not exactly normal behaviour from a happy team.

It’s not a temperamental manager we need, it’s a good one.

I understand your concern about his temperament. But he would raise the profile of the club massively. There is no doubt he will still have good contacts and be a pull for some players. And he is incredibly funny. But he aint coming is he.:greengrin

[Hibeesdaft16]

I understand your concern about his temperament. But he would raise the profile of the club massively. There is no doubt he will still have good contacts and be a pull for some players. And he is incredibly funny. But he aint coming is he.:greengrin

:aok:

[Donegal Hibby]

He hasn't no. But he couldn't have done much worse than the last three appointments and based on what I've described on the above posts I feel he would have been a much better appointment than a coach with no managerial experience and someone from the A-league who managed there 18 months. Done a much better job for Sunderland than Lee Johnson also. Ask Sunderland fans who they would rather have as manager on that one. His temperament is exactly what we need, our club is weak, our players crumble when we concede a goal and there's absolutely no confidence in the club. Get someone in that will rustle a few feathers and give them a bloody kick up the arse.

You keep saying he couldn't have done much worse than the last 3 managers but that's not accurate , of course he could have done worse . Yes he got Sunderland promoted though it ended badly and he left by mutual consent ! . Sunderland were at one point 18th in the premier , Everton had beaten them 7-1 and he had lost 5 out of 6 games too.

When he was at Ipswich he failed to win any of his first 14 games and at one point Ipswich dropped to 21st in the league and he was dismissed . Two managerial jobs he's had with both teams struggling with him having a overall win rate of about 38%.

As to his temperament that you think we need so much he caused nothing but mayhem in the world cup which didn't help Ireland at all . Then you have the incident with Haaland and when he was at Sunderland it was reported the players celebrated when hearing he was gone .

I really don't understand why somebody thats as much of a loose cannon as he is with a s**** managerial record is even getting mentioned though then again Rooney will probably at some point get another managers job too because he's just a big name in football as well 😂

[Hibeesdaft16]

You keep saying he couldn't have done much worse than the last 3 managers but that's not accurate , of course he could have done worse . Yes he got Sunderland promoted though it ended badly and he left by mutual consent ! . Sunderland were at one point 18th in the premier , Everton had beaten them 7-1 and he had lost 5 out of 6 games too.

When he was at Ipswich he failed to win any of his first 14 games and at one point Ipswich dropped to 21st in the league and he was dismissed . Two managerial jobs he's had with both teams struggling with him having a overall win rate of about 38%.

As to his temperament that you think we need so much he caused nothing but mayhem in the world cup which didn't help Ireland at all . Then you have the incident with Haaland and when he was at Sunderland it was reported the players celebrated when hearing he was gone .

I really don't understand why somebody thats as much of a loose cannon as he is with a s**** managerial record is even getting mentioned though then again Rooney will probably at some point get another managers job too because he's just a big name in football as well 😂

Yes I do and I stand by it. Just as you are standing by your equally inaccurate opinion is he would have been a worse appointment based on not much but guess work either. He got sacked off Sunderland yes, how many jobs including Sunderland has Johnson been sacked from even before he came and made a mess of our job?

He's a better managerial record than all three of our last appointments with a promotion to the Premiership, I'm afraid for your argument that trumps all.